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pppoe
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

hey all I am trying to get my pppoe working on my desktop computer, everytime I unlock the network settings, and check the pppoe option, as fast as I select pppoe, it unchecks the box. here is the output from lspci relating to my ethernet controller: glenn(a)glenn ~$lspci 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8071 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 16) Now I can see my other computers but I cant access them, althought I can ping them. Why can't I set up pppoe? Any help appreciated. Glenn

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Re: [wlug] pppoe
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

Not sure if this is helpful or not but Clearnet had a recent network collapse resulting in PPP dropping out completely to a large number of users. No amount of resetting would fix the problem until I had spoken with Clearnet's IT people who fixed it from their end.... ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Hi Glenn, > > Please keep this onlist. I'm not the only person that can > help you, and other people can benefit from the answers as > well. > > > > sorry to be unspecific, what I mean by "I cant access > > them" if that I see the icons for the machines on my > > network, but when I click on those machines, no files or > > directories of the machines that I am trying to access > > appear, like what you would see if you had a properly > configured and set up network. > > > You'll need to enable shared folders on each machine > before you can see them. Follow the notes in my other > email on this. If you can ping the other machine's ip > address, it means your network is working. > > > Im using, or atleast trying to configure my pppoe to > > access the internet via my windows laptop, because the > > modem I have, according to the folks at linmodems.org, > > does not have 64bit support, and probably never will > > have, since the folks that manufacture my modem are not > willing to release thier source code so that linux > > developers can compile drivers needed for its operation. > > PPPoE won't help you with this. You need to enable > Internet connection sharing on the windows machine. You > can then connect to the internet from windows, and it will > share the connection to other computers on your network - > eg, your linux box. Your linux system will then connect > *over the ethernet network*, through your windows > computer. No PPPoE is involved. > > http://www.networkclue.com/os/Windows/winxp/ics.aspx > > > > > > As you will recall, I have a usb modem, which also > > doesnt have driver support, and is thus unavailable to > > use under linux. Also, with my Acer being only a couple > > of months old, it does not have a serial port that I may > > try connecting a serial modem to, so that option is also > unavailable to me. > > You can get USB serial adapters which will let you do > this. > > > > In general, most of these problems stop surfacing now > because very few people still have dialup internet. Most > people have DSL these days, and while a lot of the free > DSL routers you get with your connection are USB based, > it's very easy to purchase a full ethernet router which > will do the job. You used to be able to get dialup routers > which did the same thing (plug a serial modem into them, > they connect to the internet, and share the connection to > your PCs), but I doubt this is a feasible option. > > I'm sorry that we can't be more help remotely. It's hard > enough troubleshooting this stuff via email, but it's also > been years since I did anything involving getting > winmodems to work. > > > If you want to try ICS stuff again, can you please > > * verify that you've set ICS up, sharing the modem with > your LAN, under windows > * run "ipconfig" in a command shell in windows and check > that you have IP addresses allocated - should look like > 192.168.X.Y or 10.X.Y.Z where X Y Z might be anything. > Send me the output from this command > > * run "/sbin/ifconfig " in a terminal in linux and check > that your network interface (probably eth0) has an IP > address that looks very similar to the windows one. Send > me the output from this command. > > * run "/sbin/route -n" in a terminal in linux, and verify > that the line that starts with "0.0.0.0" has your windows > IP address in the second column. Send me the output from > this as well. > > * If the above two tests aren't true, verify that your > network in linux is set to dynamic or automatically assign > or roaming mode (all different names for the same thing, > not sure what you'll see). > > * If the IP address you got above for linux started with > 169, it means that either ICS isn't set up properly, or > your computers aren't connected properly. You've said you > can ping the other computer, so i assume this is probably > OK > > * assuming the "route" test above is correct, you can ping > the windows laptop, and the windows laptop is connected to > the internet, try to ping a computer on the internet. For > example, open a terminal, and run "ping 219.88.251.16". If > that works, you're on the internet just fine. > > * If the above works fine, and you still can't browse the > internet from, say, firefox, then your DNS settings are > probably wrong. Try going to a website by using its IP > address. For example, the WLUG wiki is at 60.234.66.116. > Load up firefox, and go to http://60.234.66.116/. > > * If the above works, then you need to fix your DNS > settings. We'll sort that when we get to it > > * If it doesn't work, then we need to look at other things > still. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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pppoe
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

Hey Daniel, sorry to be unspecific, what I mean by "I cant access them" if that I see the icons for the machines on my network, but when I click on those machines, no files or directories of the machines that I am trying to access appear, like what you would see if you had a properly configured and set up network. Im using, or atleast trying to configure my pppoe to access the internet via my windows laptop, because the modem I have, according to the folks at linmodems.org, does not have 64bit support, and probably never will have, since the folks that manufacture my modem are not willing to release thier source code so that linux developers can compile drivers needed for its operation. As you will recall, I have a usb modem, which also doesnt have driver support, and is thus unavailable to use under linux. Also, with my Acer being only a couple of months old, it does not have a serial port that I may try connecting a serial modem to, so that option is also unavailable to me. I will install Samba on my Acer Linux desktop, and have already enabled sharing on my folders on my Windows Vista laptop, however, the problem that I have is that under Heron, I cannot get my pppoe settings to 'stick' as it were, as soon as I click on them, they deselect themselves and uncheck the pppoe box. This is what I am trying to investigate the cause of. This is all very frustrating but I am not going to give up because I believe in the principles behind Linux and the open source software community, I just have to do a heck of a lot of learning FAST. Cheers Glenn.

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crossover weirdness in suse ?
by Bruce Kingsbury 02 Nov '08

02 Nov '08

Trying to help Ditar here with installing crossover, it seems to be trying to use a font that opensuse doesn't have installed? screenshot attached Any suggestions? -- This email is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must burn your computer, while standing on one foot and chanting the entire jabberwocky. The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of the person who expressed them.

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Help wanted - music video clip or animation
by Liz Quilty 01 Nov '08

01 Nov '08

I made a silly parody song about geeks/computers/etc . Im so-so at singing, slightly worse at editing that with music. I made a parody song however which some people have said is funny and i should have some sort of 'video clip' to go with it on youtube. I dont suppose anyone here is into video editing at all and are bored enough to make something cool up? Liz Q

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Re: [wlug] WLUG Fixit Meeting is today!
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 01 Nov '08

01 Nov '08

This Question remained unanswered at our meeting. Google gave this result however I do not have that line in my "about:config" so I am unsure if it works or not: This does not clear my browsing history in Firefox 3.0??? Posted by: Jon at August 31, 2008 6:19 AM Its true. Clearing private data in Firefox 3 won't clear the history in the URL bar. To do this, do the following: If you don't want RichResults keep track of where you went, in Firefox you need to enter about:config and then scroll down to: browser.urlbar.maxRichResults and change the default. The default setting is 12 and if you want nothing, you enter 0. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ Saturday November 1st, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm > > We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau > PÅ«tahi > (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi > /?place/full_map), the community church at the end of > Oxford Street. > > > We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, > Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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WLUG Fixit Meeting is today!
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Oct '08

31 Oct '08

A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday November 1st, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi/?place/full_map) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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dead horse flogging
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

I tried to get my Asus laptop (Vista) to talk to my Acer (Linux Ubuntu 8.04) but no joy. I can ping 192.168.0.1, which is the Asus's network address, but cant see a network connection in the places>network folder. I've tried both DHCP and Roaming. I had a look on the back of my Acer, and it hasnt got a serial port, nor a parallel port. My arm is getting sore from all this dead horse flogging. Glenn.

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dead horse
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

Hey all Thanks for all the good advise. You are all right, I am flogging a dead horse trying to get this internal PCI Modem working in my machine with 64Bit architecture. Could i instead of trying to get Ubuntu to talk with my pci modem, try and establish an internet connection through my Windows Vista Laptop via. my ethernet card and a 100Mb switch? The switch shows there is a connection between the two machines, as yet I have not configured a network as I don't know how. By and by, does anyone want my PCI modem? It works fine with Vista, and I'll give it away, heck, Ill even post it to you for free just to get rid of the thing.... Glenn.

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 208, Issue 15
by Ronnie Collinson 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

>I don't think linux has the advantage when It comes to complete novices >like me. I think Windows, with all its faults, still is easier to set up >and run out of the box than Linux. I think it has a way to go before it >is serious competition with windows for anyone other than advanced >computer users. The learning curve is very steep. Its such a shame >because Linux seems so attractive. >Glenn. I thin you will find that once you start using linux, that you will pick up the basics quicker then you think, but unfortunately without net access its a major pain, unfortunately more and more pcs are coming without serial ports any more (I bought a USB > Serial adapter of trademe the other day for $10 inc postage). Fortunately ethernet is plug and play, and wireless is getting pretty good. I doubt "win-modem support will ever get better as fewer and fewer people are using it. On 10/30/08, wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: slamr architecture error (GJB) > 2. Re: slamr architecture error (Glenn Stuart Morrissey) > 3. Re: slamr architecture error (Roger Searle) > 4. Re: slamr architecture error (Daniel Lawson) > 5. Re: slamr architecture error (Bruce Kingsbury) > 6. Re: slamr architecture error (Chris O'Halloran) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:46:14 -0700 > From: "GJB" <balle(a)auspira.com> > Subject: Re: [wlug] slamr architecture error > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: > <20081029024614.82ec331de94f1c4494241ee0c8bc5dda.51721241e1.wbe(a)email.secu…> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > I think slamr is a dodgy package ... I've gotten the same errors on > Tosh. A-106 laptop running Xubuntu. It's got its knickers in a twist > trying to work with some level stuff Windows uses for the software > modem. > > Thank the lord I don't need to use my modem very much anymore, I can't > believe such a simple device evades a software fix ... but hey, you get > what you pay for! > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [wlug] slamr architecture error >> From: Glenn Stuart Morrissey <gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz> >> Date: Wed, October 29, 2008 10:10 pm >> To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >> >> >> After downloading and unzipping slamr 2.6.24-19, I ran setup and copied >> down the output of the setup.sh. >> >> >> glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop$ cd slamr-2.6.24-19-generic >> glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop/slamr-2.6.24-19-generic$ sudo ./setup >> installing drivers for kernel version 2.6.24-19-generic >> driver=slamr >> >> Installing the Debian packages supporting autoloading >> *dpkg: error processing >> sl-modem-daemon_2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2-5ubuntu4_i386.deb (--install): >> package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)* >> Errors were encountered while processing: >> sl-modem-daemon_2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2-5ubuntu4_i386.deb >> >> Copying over newer files >> Making folder /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra >> Copying drivers to /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra >> Checking driver install >> slamr.ko slusb.ko ungrab-winmodem.ko >> Copying newer slmodemd to /usr/sbin/ >> Checking slmodemd version. Should be 2.9.11 >> ./setup: 51: slmodemd: not found >> Finished installs. >> Informing the System >> >> Starting function tests, loading drivers: >> FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem >> (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): Invalid >> module format >> FATAL: Error inserting slamr >> (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra/slamr.ko): Invalid module format >> Running diagnostic: >> >> >> ports should be created by: >> slmodemd -c USA /dev/slamr0 >> ./setup: 70: /usr/sbin/slmodemd: not found >> Checking for success >> Port creation with slmodemd failed. >> Read the Slamr.txt record, other *.txt files and the sample wvdial.conf . >> >> glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop/slamr-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >> Looks like im going to have to wait for someone with a AMD64 system to >> compile slamr, so it can run on my hardware. I don't think changing the >> modem will achieve anything since the modem driver itself is written for >> 32 bit systems. >> >> Glenn.<hr>_______________________________________________ >> wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >> Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:00:44 +1300 > From: Glenn Stuart Morrissey <gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] slamr architecture error > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <4908344C.1060102(a)kol.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I don't think linux has the advantage when It comes to complete novices > like me. I think Windows, with all its faults, still is easier to set up > and run out of the box than Linux. I think it has a way to go before it > is serious competition with windows for anyone other than advanced > computer users. The learning curve is very steep. Its such a shame > because Linux seems so attractive. > > Glenn. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:11:34 +1300 > From: Roger Searle <woja(a)paradise.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] slamr architecture error > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <49089946.6000006(a)paradise.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Glenn I think you're right to a certain extent and I have been where you > are. It is a steep learning curve but you don't need to move up it > particularly quickly. Part of the difficulty you have is that you > need/want to get a modem going as this can prove to be difficult - or > impossible - even for the gurus depending on the specific hardware. > Being on DSL or cable certainly makes things simpler, it will probably > "just work". I spent some years continually frustrated by one thing or > another, feeling incredibly stupid at times since so many little things > would baffle me, and I have a background of some years successfully > doing nearly any windows-based setup and networking I desired. However > when I look back at my early windows days, there was pain there too! > > I hung in there despite the setbacks, asked questions on linux lists, > googled, and didn't give up. Distros improved but so did my > understanding of linux administration. My path has taken me through > various distros as I've learnt, and my experience these days is that > nearly everything works out of the box (I'm generally talking kubuntu). > However there will be something that does/will not and I live with that > and look to the next release. Where something different will cause me > grief. But I hang in there, I'm looking forward to Intrepid Ibex's > release tomorrow or the next day and will give it a spin, perhaps this > will be the one where everything "just works" . . . > > Regards > Roger > > > Glenn Stuart Morrissey wrote: >> I don't think linux has the advantage when It comes to complete novices >> like me. I think Windows, with all its faults, still is easier to set up >> and run out of the box than Linux. I think it has a way to go before it >> is serious competition with windows for anyone other than advanced >> computer users. The learning curve is very steep. Its such a shame >> because Linux seems so attractive. >> >> Glenn. >> _______________________________________________ >> wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >> Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:13:41 +1300 > From: Daniel Lawson <daniel(a)meta.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] slamr architecture error > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <4908A7D5.9050700(a)meta.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >> I don't think linux has the advantage when It comes to complete novices >> like me. I think Windows, with all its faults, still is easier to set up >> and run out of the box than Linux. I think it has a way to go before it >> is serious competition with windows for anyone other than advanced >> computer users. The learning curve is very steep. Its such a shame >> because Linux seems so attractive. > > There's a large element of luck in it too, if you aren't already > familiar with linux. By that I mean that if you aren't planning on > buying hardware that is specifically compatible with linux, it's all > down to luck as to how well things will work or not :P > > Your problem in particular is made harder for me (and most others with > plenty of experience) to diagnose because, for the most part, we stopped > using dialup a long time ago. Linux support for the so-called winmodems > is far better than it used to be (they never used to work, and now, in > general, they do). > > I can probably dig up a *real* external serial modem for you to borrow > (or buy, if you like). No drivers needed. I see you're from New > Plymouth, so suggesting you come to the Saturday workshop probably > doesn't help a lot. > > Just a question though - you're managing to download files (and send > email)somehow, what computer and connection are you using for that? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:54:04 +1300 > From: "Bruce Kingsbury" <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] slamr architecture error > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: > <54e2f3c80810291154i1d3be6c2t6f88515843bcaa21(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2008/10/29 Glenn Stuart Morrissey <gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz> > >> I don't think linux has the advantage when It comes to complete novices >> like me. I think Windows, with all its faults, still is easier to set up >> and run out of the box than Linux. I think it has a way to go before it >> is serious competition with windows for anyone other than advanced >> computer users. The learning curve is very steep. Its such a shame >> because Linux seems so attractive. >> > > Windows has the advantage of being a monopoly, manufacturers have to write > Windows drivers or nobody will buy their hardware. Linux is starting to get > much better support in this area and you'll find where manufacturers have > fully embraced the 'open source' way of doing things, getting the hardware > to work requires nothing more than plugging it in. But unfortunately some > hardware still has little or no support in Linux. > > Two suggestions; > > External serial modems are cheap, about $15-$20 on Trademe. And people > keep giving me free ones which I give away so I can avoid solving problems > like this. Let me know if you'd like one. Serial modems 'just work' in any > mainstream Linux distro. > > If you're going to be compiling drivers or trying to run windows drivers > in some form of emulation wrapper, you'll find things are much more likely > to work in 32-bit linux. Getting winmodems to work is always difficult, > getting driver wrapper-glue and 32-bit binary blobs to build in 64-bit Linux > is much more difficult. >

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