Upgrading to Maverick...
As far as I can tell, Maverick seems to work just fine. However, I haven't installed it yet. Has anyone here got a dual-boot system with Windows 7? I've read about this bug where grub2's bootloader is overwritten after running Windows, and I don't know if it applies to this distribution as well -- I'm rather wary of upgrading (a clean install in this case, as I'm skipping Lucid) as a result. I would like to upgrade, as it finally fixes the inability of my laptop to mute the internal speakers when headphones are plugged in (that's really the major reason why I want to upgrade; the other one is that Karmic's running rather slowly after a year). Sandy
I'm running maverick at work and it seems to run fine except for a bug in chrome flash. It totally hangs the system, despite not being upgraded or touched. I can only assume its an incompatability of some sort, firefox works fine with the normal flash plugins (chrome brings it own plugins). My home machine has the mbr being over written problem, apparently changing the grub version fixes this (fresh install uses grub2 rather than 'grub' which works fine?), however I dont boot windows so I have never actually implemented that to test it. Liz On 15 October 2010 09:43, Sandwalker <sandwalker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As far as I can tell, Maverick seems to work just fine. However, I haven't installed it yet. Has anyone here got a dual-boot system with Windows 7? I've read about this bug where grub2's bootloader is overwritten after running Windows, and I don't know if it applies to this distribution as well -- I'm rather wary of upgrading (a clean install in this case, as I'm skipping Lucid) as a result.
I would like to upgrade, as it finally fixes the inability of my laptop to mute the internal speakers when headphones are plugged in (that's really the major reason why I want to upgrade; the other one is that Karmic's running rather slowly after a year).
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Do you have a Asus K52 or similar (with the conexant chipset?) because I have the same problem with the headphones. 10.10 didn't fix it for me so I'm about to follow this post which looks promising - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9970601&postcount=145. Cheers, Ewen On 15 October 2010 09:58, Liz Quilty <liz(a)velofille.com> wrote:
I'm running maverick at work and it seems to run fine except for a bug in chrome flash. It totally hangs the system, despite not being upgraded or touched. I can only assume its an incompatability of some sort, firefox works fine with the normal flash plugins (chrome brings it own plugins).
My home machine has the mbr being over written problem, apparently changing the grub version fixes this (fresh install uses grub2 rather than 'grub' which works fine?), however I dont boot windows so I have never actually implemented that to test it.
Liz
As far as I can tell, Maverick seems to work just fine. However, I haven't installed it yet. Has anyone here got a dual-boot system with Windows 7? I've read about this bug where grub2's bootloader is overwritten after running Windows, and I don't know if it applies to this distribution as well -- I'm rather wary of upgrading (a clean install in this case, as I'm skipping Lucid) as a result.
I would like to upgrade, as it finally fixes the inability of my laptop to mute the internal speakers when headphones are plugged in (that's really
On 15 October 2010 09:43, Sandwalker <sandwalker(a)gmail.com> wrote: the
major reason why I want to upgrade; the other one is that Karmic's running rather slowly after a year).
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Windows (any version) will occasionally overwrite GRUB or any other bootloader, usually only when reinstalling Windows but possibly also when updating bitlocker encryption which is built into the windows bootloader too. It makes no difference what version of Linux you're running, the problem is with Windows not recognizing or caring that you even have another OS on the machine. Repairing the GRUB bootloader is very easy once you know how anyway just boot from any recent live Linux CD and run four of five commands in a terminal. It doesn't even have to be an Ubuntu CD, can be done from puppy or any common rescue disk. On 15 October 2010 09:43, Sandwalker <sandwalker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As far as I can tell, Maverick seems to work just fine. However, I haven't installed it yet. Has anyone here got a dual-boot system with Windows 7? I've read about this bug where grub2's bootloader is overwritten after running Windows, and I don't know if it applies to this distribution as well -- I'm rather wary of upgrading (a clean install in this case, as I'm skipping Lucid) as a result.
I would like to upgrade, as it finally fixes the inability of my laptop to mute the internal speakers when headphones are plugged in (that's really the major reason why I want to upgrade; the other one is that Karmic's running rather slowly after a year).
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On 15 October 2010 11:07, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> wrote:
Windows (any version) will occasionally overwrite GRUB or any other bootloader, usually only when reinstalling Windows but possibly also when updating bitlocker encryption which is built into the windows bootloader too. It makes no difference what version of Linux you're running, the problem is with Windows not recognizing or caring that you even have another OS on the machine.
Actually thats untrue, with the "bug" windows over writes the grub bootloader every single time it boots :/ Its very annoying, because often it doesnt actually boot either OS afterwards and involves a boot cd/USB stick. Liz
Repairing the GRUB bootloader is very easy once you know how anyway just boot from any recent live Linux CD and run four of five commands in a terminal. It doesn't even have to be an Ubuntu CD, can be done from puppy or any common rescue disk.
On 15 October 2010 09:43, Sandwalker <sandwalker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As far as I can tell, Maverick seems to work just fine. However, I haven't installed it yet. Has anyone here got a dual-boot system with Windows 7? I've read about this bug where grub2's bootloader is overwritten after running Windows, and I don't know if it applies to this distribution as well -- I'm rather wary of upgrading (a clean install in this case, as I'm skipping Lucid) as a result.
I would like to upgrade, as it finally fixes the inability of my laptop to mute the internal speakers when headphones are plugged in (that's really the major reason why I want to upgrade; the other one is that Karmic's running rather slowly after a year).
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Seriously?!! I wasn't aware of that bug. What an excellent reason NOT to run Windows at all! On 15 October 2010 11:16, Liz Quilty <liz(a)velofille.com> wrote:
On 15 October 2010 11:07, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> wrote:
Windows (any version) will occasionally overwrite GRUB or any other bootloader, usually only when reinstalling Windows but possibly also when updating bitlocker encryption which is built into the windows bootloader too. It makes no difference what version of Linux you're running, the problem is with Windows not recognizing or caring that you even have another OS on the machine.
Actually thats untrue, with the "bug" windows over writes the grub bootloader every single time it boots :/ Its very annoying, because often it doesnt actually boot either OS afterwards and involves a boot cd/USB stick.
Liz
Repairing the GRUB bootloader is very easy once you know how anyway just boot from any recent live Linux CD and run four of five commands in a terminal. It doesn't even have to be an Ubuntu CD, can be done from puppy or any common rescue disk.
On 15 October 2010 09:43, Sandwalker <sandwalker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As far as I can tell, Maverick seems to work just fine. However, I haven't installed it yet. Has anyone here got a dual-boot system with Windows 7? I've read about this bug where grub2's bootloader is overwritten after running Windows, and I don't know if it applies to this distribution as well -- I'm rather wary of upgrading (a clean install in this case, as I'm skipping Lucid) as a result.
I would like to upgrade, as it finally fixes the inability of my laptop to mute the internal speakers when headphones are plugged in (that's really the major reason why I want to upgrade; the other one is that Karmic's running rather slowly after a year).
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Or use a virtualised environment for one of the OS's - depending on which you prefer to be your host OS and assuming the hardware is capable. On 15 October 2010 11:30, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> wrote:
Seriously?!!
I wasn't aware of that bug. What an excellent reason NOT to run Windows at all!
On 15 October 2010 11:16, Liz Quilty <liz(a)velofille.com> wrote:
On 15 October 2010 11:07, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> wrote:
Windows (any version) will occasionally overwrite GRUB or any other bootloader, usually only when reinstalling Windows but possibly also when updating bitlocker encryption which is built into the windows bootloader too. It makes no difference what version of Linux you're running, the problem is with Windows not recognizing or caring that you even have another OS on the machine.
Actually thats untrue, with the "bug" windows over writes the grub bootloader every single time it boots :/ Its very annoying, because often it doesnt actually boot either OS afterwards and involves a boot cd/USB stick.
Liz
Repairing the GRUB bootloader is very easy once you know how anyway just boot from any recent live Linux CD and run four of five commands in a terminal. It doesn't even have to be an Ubuntu CD, can be done from puppy or any common rescue disk.
On 15 October 2010 09:43, Sandwalker <sandwalker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As far as I can tell, Maverick seems to work just fine. However, I haven't installed it yet. Has anyone here got a dual-boot system with Windows 7? I've read about this bug where grub2's bootloader is overwritten after running Windows, and I don't know if it applies to this distribution as well -- I'm rather wary of upgrading (a clean install in this case, as I'm skipping Lucid) as a result.
I would like to upgrade, as it finally fixes the inability of my laptop to mute the internal speakers when headphones are plugged in (that's really the major reason why I want to upgrade; the other one is that Karmic's running rather slowly after a year).
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A virtual machine is fine if you're not doing anything particularly intensive. Trying to run Windows 7 in a virtual machine with full 3D acceleration and whatnot would be rather a drain on my system. I usually have a bit of trouble with USB devices as well. Sandy On 15/10/10 11:43, Chris O'Halloran wrote:
Or use a virtualised environment for one of the OS's - depending on which you prefer to be your host OS and assuming the hardware is capable.
On 15 October 2010 11:30, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> wrote:
Seriously?!!
I wasn't aware of that bug. What an excellent reason NOT to run Windows at all!
Exactly how i feel! Hence why i never debugged and fixed the problem! I just carry a live usb stick in my bag "just in case of emergency" :D Liz
On 15 October 2010 11:16, Liz Quilty <liz(a)velofille.com> wrote:
On 15 October 2010 11:07, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> wrote:
Windows (any version) will occasionally overwrite GRUB or any other bootloader, usually only when reinstalling Windows but possibly also when updating bitlocker encryption which is built into the windows bootloader too. It makes no difference what version of Linux you're running, the problem is with Windows not recognizing or caring that you even have another OS on the machine.
Actually thats untrue, with the "bug" windows over writes the grub bootloader every single time it boots :/ Its very annoying, because often it doesnt actually boot either OS afterwards and involves a boot cd/USB stick.
Liz
Repairing the GRUB bootloader is very easy once you know how anyway just boot from any recent live Linux CD and run four of five commands in a terminal. It doesn't even have to be an Ubuntu CD, can be done from puppy or any common rescue disk.
On 15 October 2010 09:43, Sandwalker <sandwalker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As far as I can tell, Maverick seems to work just fine. However, I haven't installed it yet. Has anyone here got a dual-boot system with Windows 7? I've read about this bug where grub2's bootloader is overwritten after running Windows, and I don't know if it applies to this distribution as well -- I'm rather wary of upgrading (a clean install in this case, as I'm skipping Lucid) as a result.
I would like to upgrade, as it finally fixes the inability of my laptop to mute the internal speakers when headphones are plugged in (that's really the major reason why I want to upgrade; the other one is that Karmic's running rather slowly after a year).
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Well, that's just great. I don't boot into Windows too often -- maybe once a week -- but there are programs and games that I need Windows for (such as MS Office 2007, MS Money, Steam (and the games that use it)). I don't want to be stuck with Karmic forever. >.< Is there a workaround for this grub overwrite? Sandy On 15/10/10 11:16, Liz Quilty wrote:
Actually thats untrue, with the "bug" windows over writes the grub bootloader every single time it boots :/ Its very annoying, because often it doesnt actually boot either OS afterwards and involves a boot cd/USB stick.
I still would not expect (perhaps Liz can correct me if I'm wrong) that the version of Ubuntu is going to make the slightest difference as far as Windows overwriting it. The problem is in Windows and it's total blindness to other OS'es, not in Ubuntu or GRUB. If you don't have the problem already then I doubt upgrading Ubuntu is going to create one. Possible exception if Windows is aware of the original GRUB bootloader but doesn't recognise GRUB2, in which case you might be able to upgrade Ubuntu and then reinstall grub-legacy? On 15 October 2010 11:54, Sandwalker <sandwalker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Well, that's just great. I don't boot into Windows too often -- maybe once a week -- but there are programs and games that I need Windows for (such as MS Office 2007, MS Money, Steam (and the games that use it)). I don't want to be stuck with Karmic forever. >.< Is there a workaround for this grub overwrite?
Sandy
On 15/10/10 11:16, Liz Quilty wrote:
Actually thats untrue, with the "bug" windows over writes the grub bootloader every single time it boots :/ Its very annoying, because often it doesnt actually boot either OS afterwards and involves a boot cd/USB stick.
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My grub version is 1.97~beta4, so I assume that's GRUB2 (as the legacy one is 0.97). I've been dual-booting with Windows 7 (and Vista before it) for two years now, with no problem. I'll try an upgrade, and see what happens. Also, what's the best method of preserving one's /home profile? I assume it's by entering the same username/password that was used previously -- that seemed to work fine in a VM. And is it possible to see where the bootloader is currently installed? I suspect I installed to the MBR because my recovery partition doesn't work properly. Oh, and to Ewen: I have an Asus F3Ke (from the X53K series). The chipset seem to be ATi, given by lspci: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) Sandy On 15/10/10 12:04, Bruce Kingsbury wrote:
I still would not expect (perhaps Liz can correct me if I'm wrong) that the version of Ubuntu is going to make the slightest difference as far as Windows overwriting it. The problem is in Windows and it's total blindness to other OS'es, not in Ubuntu or GRUB. If you don't have the problem already then I doubt upgrading Ubuntu is going to create one.
Possible exception if Windows is aware of the original GRUB bootloader but doesn't recognise GRUB2, in which case you might be able to upgrade Ubuntu and then reinstall grub-legacy?
As far as I can tell, the clean install worked flawlessly, and I can still switch between Windows and Maverick. Now I'm just trying to figure out how to get my HDD temp applet back into my panel. Sandy
On 15 October 2010 12:04, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> wrote:
I still would not expect (perhaps Liz can correct me if I'm wrong) that the version of Ubuntu is going to make the slightest difference as far as Windows overwriting it. The problem is in Windows and it's total blindness to other OS'es, not in Ubuntu or GRUB. If you don't have the problem already then I doubt upgrading Ubuntu is going to create one.
Sounds about right to me, i did read up about it at the time and i'm pretty sure and upgrade/downgrade of grub fixed the problem and it was a windows thing not linux related. I could be wrong, i just had better things to do. Liz
Possible exception if Windows is aware of the original GRUB bootloader but doesn't recognise GRUB2, in which case you might be able to upgrade Ubuntu and then reinstall grub-legacy?
On 15 October 2010 11:54, Sandwalker <sandwalker(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Well, that's just great. I don't boot into Windows too often -- maybe once a week -- but there are programs and games that I need Windows for (such as MS Office 2007, MS Money, Steam (and the games that use it)). I don't want to be stuck with Karmic forever. >.< Is there a workaround for this grub overwrite?
Sandy
On 15/10/10 11:16, Liz Quilty wrote:
Actually thats untrue, with the "bug" windows over writes the grub bootloader every single time it boots :/ Its very annoying, because often it doesnt actually boot either OS afterwards and involves a boot cd/USB stick.
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