Zoom Won't Encrypt Free Calls Because it Wants To Comply With Law Enforcement
'If you're a free Zoom user, and waiting for the company to roll out end-to-end encryption for better protection of your calls, you're out of luck. From a report: Free calls won't be encrypted, and law enforcement will be able to access your information in case of 'misuse' of the platform. Zoom CEO Eric Yuan today said that the video conferencing app's upcoming end-to-end encryption feature will be available to only paid users.' -- source: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/06/03/1150245 Cheers, Peter -- Peter Reutemann Dept. of Computer Science University of Waikato, NZ +64 (7) 858-5174 http://www.cms.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ http://www.data-mining.co.nz/
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:56:43 +1200, Peter Reutemann quoted:
'Zoom CEO Eric Yuan today said that the video conferencing app's upcoming end-to-end encryption feature will be available to only paid users.'
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Companies are always looking for some kind of value-add for their paid versus free services to entice punters to part with some money, without antagonizing them. This could be the kind of thing that works.
Can somebody explain the logic of this? Zoom is happy for law enforcement to be able tosurveil ordinary (poor) users, but will protect richer users who pay extra? Roderick On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 11:43, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo(a)geek-central.gen.nz> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:56:43 +1200, Peter Reutemann quoted:
'Zoom CEO Eric Yuan today said that the video conferencing app's upcoming end-to-end encryption feature will be available to only paid users.'
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Companies are always looking for some kind of value-add for their paid versus free services to entice punters to part with some money, without antagonizing them. This could be the kind of thing that works. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list -- wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz | To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: https://list.waikato.ac.nz/postorius/lists/wlug.list.waikato.ac.nz
Can somebody explain the logic of this? Zoom is happy for law enforcement to be able tosurveil ordinary (poor) users, but will protect richer users who pay extra?
Zoom is under no obligation to make their service available for free (they want make a profit, after all). If you value your privacy, you have to pay. Cheers, Peter -- Peter Reutemann Dept. of Computer Science University of Waikato, NZ +64 (7) 858-5174 http://www.cms.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ http://www.data-mining.co.nz/
Can somebody explain the logic of this? Zoom is happy for law enforcement to be able tosurveil ordinary (poor) users, but will protect richer users who pay extra?
People have to eat, personally as a founder, this expectation from people in tech that everything is for free gets old very very quickly. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:52 PM Peter Reutemann <fracpete(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote:
Can somebody explain the logic of this? Zoom is happy for law enforcement to be able tosurveil ordinary (poor) users, but will protect richer users who pay extra?
Zoom is under no obligation to make their service available for free (they want make a profit, after all). If you value your privacy, you have to pay.
Cheers, Peter -- Peter Reutemann Dept. of Computer Science University of Waikato, NZ +64 (7) 858-5174 http://www.cms.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ http://www.data-mining.co.nz/ _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list -- wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz | To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: https://list.waikato.ac.nz/postorius/lists/wlug.list.waikato.ac.nz
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Yes, for a free service they have no obligation. It seems if you are poor you are constantly faced with the choice: pay with your privacy or miss out - in the digital world as well as the real world. Roderick On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 16:52, Peter Reutemann <fracpete(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote:
Can somebody explain the logic of this? Zoom is happy for law enforcement to be able tosurveil ordinary (poor) users, but will protect richer users who pay extra?
Zoom is under no obligation to make their service available for free (they want make a profit, after all). If you value your privacy, you have to pay.
Cheers, Peter -- Peter Reutemann Dept. of Computer Science University of Waikato, NZ +64 (7) 858-5174 http://www.cms.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ http://www.data-mining.co.nz/ _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list -- wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz | To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: https://list.waikato.ac.nz/postorius/lists/wlug.list.waikato.ac.nz
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:20:54 +1200, Roderick Aldridge wrote:
It seems if you are poor you are constantly faced with the choice: pay with your privacy or miss out - in the digital world as well as the real world.
There will be other services, not as well-known or “trendy” as Zoom. They may require more intelligence and skills to set up, as opposed to just requiring the expenditure of more money. Another way to put it is, let Zoom appeal to the “more money than sense” crowd ...
...instead of using Zoom you can use Jitsi <https://outlook.live.com/mail/0/inbox/id/jitsi.org> Its free and its end-to-end encryption is in a beta stage which you can opt to give a try. You should be able to find an old computer for free to use as a server. Then all you have to pay for is your monthly fibre optics connection to the internet and the power bill to run the server. Oh, but I forgot, it doesn't work with just IP addresses and http. So don't forget to pay for... 1. Registration and the annual fee for a registered domain name. 2. Getting a SSL certificate so your server provides https browser connections. When Tim Berners-Lee invented the internet I'm sure he never envisaged how much money these last two outfits would siphon off each year. cheers, Ian.
On 4/06/20 4:26 pm, Ian Stewart wrote:
Oh, but I forgot, it doesn't work with just IP addresses and http. So don't forget to pay for...
When Tim Berners-Lee invented the internet I'm sure he never envisaged how much money these last two outfits would siphon off each year.
1. Registration and the annual fee for a registered domain name.
Domain name still cost - as the registry need to cover their costs - but some are pretty cheap and registrars like Cloudflare don't charge any markup on the wholesale cost https://www.cloudflare.com/products/registrar/
2. Getting a SSL certificate so your server provides https browser connections.
Standard SSL certificates are free with Lets Encrypt https://letsencrypt.org
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 06:26:20 +0000, Ian Stewart wrote:
So don't forget to pay for...
1. Registration and the annual fee for a registered domain name. 2. Getting a SSL certificate so your server provides https browser connections.
From what I understand, the profits from the former are pretty paper-thin nowadays. As for the latter, remember that Let’s Encrypt has already reduced that price to zero.
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