April 2004 - wlug - list.wlug.org.nz

3 * EDO 128MB sticks
by Drew Broadley 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

Does anyone have 3 for sale ?

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RE: [wlug] Dual Booting for the install-fest [long]
by Lindsay Druett 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

FFS Man !!! Which part don't you understand about WLUG not wanting to use Ghost or Partition Magic ? Licensing costs and issues are not the only reason behind this... I personally wouldn't paint myself into a corner backing up peoples computers, there are a lot of issues, what if the back up failed ? What is the content I'm backing up ? What about disposing of the data once finished ? Believe it or not, there are a lot of legal issues there... The other issues (which I thought was very obvious) is that here we are promoting a suite of software ranging from the OS right up to end user applications that is for starters free, open source, an alternative to Microsoft, and we are going to use what? to partition hard drive space, and we are going to use what? to backup the data. Hey if you want to use at home (or whatever) is fine to me, but what you are suggesting here is as appropriate as suggesting that you consume alcohol at church... Personally, Hard Drives are not expensive, people should consider installing a new hard drive in their machine and install the going distro. If they are newbies, things *will* go wrong somewhere along the line, and at least they can reformat the drive and start all over again without losing any sleep. > -----Original Message----- > From: DrWho? [mailto:x_files_(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 19:20 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] Dual Booting for the install-fest [long] > > > At 17:56 18/04/2004, you wrote: > > > > >>I think the idea of asking Symantic if they would do some sort of > >>sponsorship with Ghost would be a great idea. > > > >Great. Where can I download the source code? > > > You cant, but sometimes you need to spend a bit of money to > get the job > done <grin> and if a commercial pay for it product will do > the job a hell > of allot better than any free product then so be it <grin>. > > Also if symantic would be willing to give away some copies > then take it!! > it will do a good job, better than any oss solutions <grin> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > >

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by DrWho? 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

At 15:49 15/04/2004, you wrote: > > I would think, providing something like Partition Magic is available ( > > which I have and no doubt others ) to do the job it could be offered as > > an option for those who are not competent with doing it themselves or > > installing new hardware. > >Oh? Does the license allow that? >Even so, it's still far more risk/hassle than we need I believe. It can run from a boot disk, no install on target PC needed. > > I have resized MANY NTFS and FAT partitions with PQMAGIC and never had a > > problem, not to say there have not or will not be any problems, but > > there is also the option of ghosting their HDD before the resize. > >To what? Are you providing the disk space? >Remember this is an afternoon workshop. Good question, that is one minor problem with ghost.... perhaps a spare 40G HDD?? Or setup a ghost server on a PC with some disk space and ghost over a network? >-- >Greig McGill > > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

The WLUG meeting is one week away ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Linux as a Personal Video Recorder ([PVR]). In particular, looking at [MythTV], although I'll investigate the other options if I have time. Date: Monday 26 April 2004%%% Time: 7:00pm onwards - __Please note new time!__ %%% Location: Probably at CrawshawSchool%%%

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[installfest] Hard Disk Repartitioning
by Matt Brown 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

In light of the recent frenzy of discussion regarding hard disk partitioning and the InstallFest I would like to clarify what the official position of the WLUG Committee on this issue is. WLUG (and it's representatives) will not be responsible for repartitioning or backing up hard disks at the InstallFest. All data backup and disk preparation tasks (such as ensuring there is sufficient unpartitioned space) are the responsibility of the owner of the computer and should be completed before attending the InstallFest. The minimum requirements that we have specified for hard disks for the install fest are either a) You are willing to wipe the entire disk (which is at least 5GB in size) and have Linux installed. OR b) There is at least 5GB of UNPARTITIONED space available on the disk. The rationale behind this position can be found on the InstallFest wiki page at http://www.wlug.org.nz/InstallFest along with other information related to hardware requirements. If people have further general comments on Free hard disk partitioning tools that are available for use in Linux then you are most welcome to post them to the list, however I would suggest that any disk partitioning issues related solely to the InstallFest have already been well and truly flogged and any more discussion would be counter productive. Questions or concerns about any aspect of the position stated above can be directed to myself or any other member of the committee. Regards -- Matt Brown Email: matt(a)mattb.net.nz GSM : 021 611 544

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by Wayne Rooney 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

>Also, to Wayne, who decided that because a process "works for him" it's >infallible, and 100% safe for all, I've seen plenty of PM partitioning >problems in my time, and it's the benchmark. I didn't say it was infallible. I said it was designed to fail safe. qtparted resizes NTFS partitions with ntfsresize. Part of "man ntfsresize" says: KNOWN ISSUES No reliability problems are known or has been reported. If you need help please try the ntfsresize FAQ first (see below) and if you dont find your answer then send your question, comment or bug report to <linux-ntfs-dev(a)lists.sourceforge.net>. No subscription is needed but the mailing list is moderated and it can take some time to approve your post. There are some very rarely met limitations at present: filesystems having bad sectors, highly fragmented Master File Table (MFT), relocation of the first MFT extent and resizing in the middle of some metadata in some cases arent supported yet. These cases are detected and resizing is refused, restricted to a safe size or the closest safe size is displayed. --------- I like the words "no reliability problems are known" The fact that you've seen problems with OTHER software doesn't mean that THIS software is no good, does it? If you've had problems with qtparted then do share them so we know what to look out for. >So forgive me if I don't >really want to see the WLUG put its balls on the block guaranteeing the >safety of the user's data. That's why you get them to sign a waiver. Why would you want to guarantee somebodys data? That's asking for trouble. An installfest should be all care and no responsibility. Check out this waiver: http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/sigunix/installfest/waiver.shtml Wayne

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by Wayne Rooney 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

>No backups necessary then? > >Cool, so it can predict a power outage? Wow! :-) Smartarse ;-P Yes, actually, it takes a reading from /dev/crystalball and uses KStars to get an alignment of the planets and only resizes partitions if there are no power outages in the near future. Wayne

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Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
by Oliver Jones 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

I'm about to put the Game Return to Castle Wolfenstein on TradeMe. RTCW is a great first person shooter and as a bonus works in Linux as a native app! A rare thing with Loki games now gone. http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_detail.asp?id=10582307 If you're interested place a bid. I'd get a kick out of seeing another Linux gamer enjoy this game. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by Wayne Rooney 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

>You do not need to install it as it will run from a boot disk, or in my >case a boot CD. Read your licence agreement again carefully, Doctor. Then perhaps visit http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html from which comes the following quote: "Partition Magic is one solution -- except that Linux user groups cannot lawfully keep a copy on hand to use on visitors' machines, even if they're willing to spend the money. Advising them to buy a copy and come back is lawful, but not very appealing." Wayne

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Issues with BIND
by Craig Box 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

(Passing on the message from Drew. Note to everyone, messages you send from unsubscribed addresses get dropped! -- Craig) I am having issues with a SINGLE domain "corrupt.co.nz", every other domain is fine! Here's the deal: Bind logs return nothing like they usually would saying there was an error with the domain. I can dig to ALL of my AUTH NS servers, and get the records returned no problemo. I can use XTRA, DTS (and a few others have used their own DNS servers) and get returned results without any SERVFAIL errors. I try to dig anything to the PARADISE NS servers (203.96.152{4,12}) and I get mixed results. I get www.corrupt.co.nz and corrupt.co.nz, but none of my overly important records (home.corrupt.co.nz, mail.corrupt.co.nz) It returns SERVFAIL id:2 whenever I try to request anything other then www.corrupt.co.nz / corrupt.co.nz via PARADISES NS Servers Any ideas? I have contacted soa(a)paradise.net.nz but god knows how long that will take to be processed. - Drew

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