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problem with FC1 installation
by Bo Wang 10 Apr '04

10 Apr '04

i have tried several times to install fodera core 1 on my laptop. i have 5G free disk space allocated for FC1 but once it's started copying files onto the disk a error msg pop up says 'a problem occured probably because you don't have enough disk space'. does anyone know what the problem is? regards beau

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Re: [wlug] Renaming Debian platforms
by DrWho? 09 Apr '04

09 Apr '04

Microsoft still offer paid support for NT. Must of the current NT installs I have seen are acting as NAS, DNS and in a few file / print servers. It is installed on Compaq or HP server platforms. At 13:43 6/04/2004, you wrote: > > Once again "updating for the sake of updating" applies, sure there some > > genuine new stuff that offer something that is not just a fresh paint > > job. But can the same be said for the SERVER environment. > > > > Since you mentioned mickysoft, allot of people are still running NT3.5 & > > NT4 on there OLD pentium platforms, as a server, and in same cases as a > > work station, and shock horror mickysoft still support them. > >Oh Really? >http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx > >And reed the "see note" bit. > >Please stop with the unfounded guesswork. > > > Well, it is true for the end user, but I was talking about servers... > >OK, if you want to take that approach... >Name brand server hardware is supplied by most vendors with an expected >lifetime of 3 years. Maybe 5 tops. After that, you expect a high level >of hardware failures. From that angle alone, I'd not be bothering with >old hardware in a server environment. > >Are you for real, or are you trolling? >If the latter, please stop, or feel free to join #wlug, where we are eager >and waiting to tear you a new one! :) > > >-- >Greig McGill > > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] Bite
by Lindsay Druett 08 Apr '04

08 Apr '04

This sounds Cat in the Hat > Linux is linux. It doesn't matter how its branded. It's still > the same > thing. Linux *will* run on an embedded 386 processor, and it > *will* run....

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[Fwd: [wlug-committee] O'Reilly Looking for GNOME Hacks]
by Daniel Lawson 07 Apr '04

07 Apr '04

If anyone has any useful or interesting GNOME 'hacks', please pass them on. If you do email Marsee directly, make sure you mention you're a WLUG member (probably best to spell that out, there's several WLUG's in the world)... Or email a committee member and we'll submit on your behalf. Feel free to discuss this on the mailing list if you want to bounce ideas around. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [wlug-committee] O'Reilly Looking for GNOME Hacks Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:47:14 -0700 From: Marsee Henon <marsee(a)oreilly.com> Reply-To: WLUG Committee Mailing List <wlug-committee(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> To: wlug-committee(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Hi Linux UG Leader, We're looking for GNOME hacks for our upcoming book, "Linux Desktop Hacks." We already have half of the book filled with KDE hacks, but no GNOME hacks! Do you know of any GNOME Hackers who could help us out? Please forward this email along. If you have a hack to share, please send 'em our way by having your members email me (marsee(a)oreilly.com) with "GNOME hacks" in the subject line. Don't let KDE hacks take over this book! As thanks for sharing, we'll make sure to get copies of "Linux Desktop Hacks" sent to your group shortly after publication. --Marsee _______________________________________________ wlug-committee mailing list wlug-committee(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug-committee

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RE: [wlug] install fest progress
by Lindsay Druett 07 Apr '04

07 Apr '04

Nah... I can hear Daniel reading us the Dr. Suess book.... "Linux is Linux....." > I can see a distro war brewing over this; I've started > leaning towards > Debian, and a lot of people are recommending Mandrake as a good > first-time distro.. > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [wlug] install fest progress
by zcat 07 Apr '04

07 Apr '04

Jamie Curtis wrote: >>Do we actually want to go ahead with this? >> >>Because we have today and tommorrow to get things underway or there's no >>point doing it at this time. We can put it off, but if we don't get >>things organised real soon it's going to be me sitting on my ass all day >>at Crawshaw playing frozen-bubble. I'd rather be doing other things. >> >> > >I am able to help out as required, but I really doubt the number of >students we will attract on the last Saturday of the break. Are we doing >this focusing on Students or do we think there will be enough general >community interest to make it worth doing anyway. > > Bugger the students, they don't have much choice about using Linux anyway. Let's aim this at the general public. The date is more than two weeks away. I'm happy to phone around tomorrow, Friday, etc. I'm also happy to design a poster (although it'll suck; I'm no artist). Two weeks is plenty of time to make it happen. Are we doing this or not?

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[Fwd: End of Life for Red Hat Linux 9]
by Matthias Dallmeier 06 Apr '04

06 Apr '04

-- Matthias

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RE: [wlug] Renaming Debian platforms
by Lindsay Druett 06 Apr '04

06 Apr '04

> Once again "updating for the sake of updating" applies, sure > there some > genuine new stuff that offer something that is not just a > fresh paint job. > But can the same be said for the SERVER environment. > > Since you mentioned mickysoft, allot of people are still > running NT3.5 & > NT4 on there OLD pentium platforms, as a server, and in same > cases as a > work station, and shock horror mickysoft still support them. I agree with Craig that perhaps you should start getting used to the fact that they are "Microsoft". Also, Microsoft haven't supported NT3.51 for quite a while, they basically have stopped supporting NT 4.0 December last year, and they are about to stop providing security patches very shortly AFAIK. > > >People buy new PC's because they want something which their > old PC didn't give > >them - the ability to do some new task (like play games, or > support larger > >hard > >drives/more drives/more ram, etc), or some existing task > faster than what they > >had. Or just because their old PC is broken. They throw old > PC's away, or off > >the roof at parties, or deal to them with a sledgehammer. That's life in the technology world, get used to it. People do that with cars too you know. > Well, it is true for the end user, but I was talking about servers... > > And yes, putting a server you paid $8,000+ for 3-4 years ago > in the bin is > a bit stupid, just beacuse the "latest and greatest" OS that > does the same > as what you have all ready got will not run on it.... An $ 8,000 server 3-4 years ago would have at least been a 800-1000 MHz PIII, possibly a Dual processor machine, depending on buying power. In the enterprise world, that is not a big deal at all, the ROI would have been well within 3 years. Normally, servers come with a 3 year warranty/service contract and in the enterprise environment in many instances the cost of having the server down for any length of time can outweigh the cost of the server itself, hence High Availability and Redundancy is a very important consideration. If the machine is out of warranty and/or is not on service contract, then in a lot of incidences, it shouldn't be in production. In other environments where things are not so crucial, I would expect a life of 5-7 years for a server. Quite often in the enterprise environment, 3-4 year old servers are used in test environments where if the server bellies up and/or spits out a hard drive, then so what ? So you'll be pleased to know that 3-4 year servers don't go straight in the bin.

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RE: [wlug] Gnoppix and Knoppix
by Bo Wang 04 Apr '04

04 Apr '04

thanks for your help anyway. but i have got a couple of wlug knoppix live cds on hand. i am just very keen to try knoppix 3.4 and Gnoppix. -----Original Message----- From: mglb1-forwarding Sent: Sun 4/04/2004 5:40 p.m. To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Gnoppix and Knoppix I couldn't find any NZ download mirrors for Knoppix when I downloaded it early last month and I believe the situation is similar for Gnoppix. They both have several australian mirrors however. On the other hand if you come past G1.02 tommorrow I can give you a copy of two of WLUG Knoppix which we created for the recent Introduction to Linux tutorials. It is basically Knoppix 3.3 with some very minor cosmetic changes. I also have quite and old version of Gnoppix that I could burn to a CD for you, but I suspect that you will be better served downloading a newer copy yourself as I could never get this version working. Regards On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 17:19, Bo Wang wrote: > is there anyone knows where i can download latest Gnoppix and Knoppix from? > i am prefer a domestic ftp or websize. > > regards > > Beau > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greig McGill [mailto:greig(a)hamiltron.net] > Sent: Sun 4/04/2004 1:57 p.m. > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Cc: > Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: End of Life for Red Hat Linux 9] > > > > Well, I assumed it went without saying that no one would run a production > server on anything other than stable... > > Clearly not. Assume any ref. to "Debian" from me is actually referring to > "Debian stable (woody)". > > G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Le Vaillant" <jfl2(a)myrealbox.com> > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: End of Life for Red Hat Linux 9] > > > > Kyle Carter wrote: > > > > >id love to use debian if it wasnt so last year (if not even older) > > >maybe this is my chance to find something else. > > > > > Now, hang on. When we talk about "debian", do we mean stable, testing or > > unstable? > > > > Other distros seem comparable to unstable, as opposed to stable, where > > packages are tested for months (or years) before inclusion. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Matt Brown Email: matt(a)mattb.net.nz GSM : 021 611 544 _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Gnoppix and Knoppix
by Bo Wang 04 Apr '04

04 Apr '04

is there anyone knows where i can download latest Gnoppix and Knoppix from? i am prefer a domestic ftp or websize. regards Beau -----Original Message----- From: Greig McGill [mailto:greig(a)hamiltron.net] Sent: Sun 4/04/2004 1:57 p.m. To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: End of Life for Red Hat Linux 9] Well, I assumed it went without saying that no one would run a production server on anything other than stable... Clearly not. Assume any ref. to "Debian" from me is actually referring to "Debian stable (woody)". G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Le Vaillant" <jfl2(a)myrealbox.com> To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: End of Life for Red Hat Linux 9] > Kyle Carter wrote: > > >id love to use debian if it wasnt so last year (if not even older) > >maybe this is my chance to find something else. > > > Now, hang on. When we talk about "debian", do we mean stable, testing or > unstable? > > Other distros seem comparable to unstable, as opposed to stable, where > packages are tested for months (or years) before inclusion. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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