UK Government May Push Anti-Encryption Laws After Election
Not too surprising to discover that some parties in the UK might be using the Manchester attack as a pretext to push through laws to ban secure encryption <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/25/uk_to_push_antiencryption_laws_after_election/>. As if such a ban would have helped uncover a perpetrator who, by all accounts, had already been reported to the authorities multiple times...
The security authorities always use terrorist attacks as an excuse to get more powers. It is a golden opportunity to get powers that they would never otherwise get. Rod On 25 May 2017 at 18:46, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo(a)geek-central.gen.nz> wrote:
Not too surprising to discover that some parties in the UK might be using the Manchester attack as a pretext to push through laws to ban secure encryption <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/25/uk_to_push_ antiencryption_laws_after_election/>.
As if such a ban would have helped uncover a perpetrator who, by all accounts, had already been reported to the authorities multiple times... _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
On Thu, 25 May 2017 19:49:57 +1200, Roderick Aldridge wrote:
The security authorities always use terrorist attacks as an excuse to get more powers. It is a golden opportunity to get powers that they would never otherwise get.
Is liberty worth dying for? There are those who came before us who fought and died so that we may enjoy the freedoms that we do. Are we to simply give those up now, just because we feel a little fearful? Just because we don’t feel up to making the same sorts of sacrifices?
"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance" I can't remember who said that. Rod On 25 May 2017 at 20:15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo(a)geek-central.gen.nz> wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2017 19:49:57 +1200, Roderick Aldridge wrote:
The security authorities always use terrorist attacks as an excuse to get more powers. It is a golden opportunity to get powers that they would never otherwise get.
Is liberty worth dying for? There are those who came before us who fought and died so that we may enjoy the freedoms that we do. Are we to simply give those up now, just because we feel a little fearful? Just because we don’t feel up to making the same sorts of sacrifices? _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
To quote:http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011/01/eternal-vigilance-is-price-of-liberty... The quote *“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”* is often mistakenly attributed <https://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS242&q=%E2%80%9CEternal+vigilance+is+the+price+of+liberty%E2%80%9D+%22John+Philpot+Curran%22&oq=%E2%80%9CEternal+vigilance+is+the+price+of+liberty%E2%80%9D+%22John+Philpot+Curran%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=4096l7665l0l8463l5l5l1l0l0l0l208l622l0.3.1l4l0>to the Irish lawyer and politician *John Philpot Curran* and frequently to <https://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS242&q=%22Eternal+vigilance+is+the+price+of+liberty%22+%22Thomas+Jefferson+*+said%22+-confirm&oq=%22Eternal+vigilance+is+the+price+of+liberty%22+%22Thomas+Jefferson+*+said%22+-confirm&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=4667l6819l0l7228l9l9l0l8l0l0l96l96l1l1l0>*Thomas Jefferson*. In fact, Curran’s line was somewhat different. What he actually said, in a speech in Dublin on July 10, 1790 <http://books.google.com/books?id=2Tu3bScwKKAC&pg=PT225&dq=John+Philpot+Curran+July+10,+1790+%22eternal+vigilance%22&hl=en&ei=XfBCTaubEMKblgfG_NDnDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=John%20Philpot%20Curran%20July%2010%2C%201790%20%22eternal%20vigilance%22&f=false>, was: */ “The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.”/ * And, according to Jefferson scholars <http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Eternal_vigilance_is_the_price_of_liberty_%28Quotation%29#_note-2>there is “no evidence to confirm that Thomas Jefferson ever said or wrote, ‘Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty’ or any of its variants.” Traditionally, the most famous use of “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty” that’s included in books of quotations is from a speech made by the American Abolitionist and liberal activist *Wendell Phillips <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Phillips>* on *January 28, 1852*. Speaking to members of the Massachusetts Anti-Slavery Society that day, Phillips said: /“*Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty; power is ever stealing from the many to the few.* The manna of popular liberty must be gathered each day or it is rotten. The living sap of today outgrows the dead rind of yesterday. The hand entrusted with power becomes, either from human depravity or esprit de corps, the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continued oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot; only by unintermitted agitation can a people be sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity.” / ... ... Wolf On 25/05/17 20:41, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:33:10 +1200, Roderick Aldridge wrote:
"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance" I can't remember who said that. Yeah. But it’s supposed to be vigilance on OUR part, not the Government’s part. ;)
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