RE: [wlug] Mailing list etiquette (was Re: Sudo)
I will be removing my self from this mailing list today. The amount of junk has now exceeded the amount of value. Regards Gund ________________________________ From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] Sent: Tue 5/04/2005 11:58 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] Mailing list etiquette (was Re: Sudo)
Also, many people read mailing lists in digest form. HTML (and other formats) tend to break in digest mode.
I hope you won't take offense, but this seems like the only good reason to me. Surely, in the year 2005, when the HTML 4 spec has been around for eight years and has been commonly used to style emails for not much less time than that, it is reasonable to assume that any mail reader can parse it?
No, it's not reasonable at all. Especially not for a mailing list which will have a high rate of people using command line only mail clients, or perhaps self-written mail clients. And people using telnet to read mail. It will happen, if only because it's *this* group of people.
From a purist point of view, I agree that emails should be in plain text. The reason I style them is because I like them to look pretty for
So do it?
less computer-savvy types who I regularly email, who don't know how to style things on their end. Additionally, there are some things that plain text simply won't do, and which I do occasionally use (lists being one).
I can do lists very easily in plain text: * This is an example of a list * This is a second entry in a list, which has a longer line which I format approrpriately. * And here we have a third entry in a list * Look, I can do sublists too!
I'm not meaning to stir or be a pest; I just don't understand why any mail client in use today would not support HTML; or why people would turn it off? Surely, unless you're using OE, security isn't a problem. People seem to manage browsing the web without issues, and that's a far less controlled and predictable environment than email.
Just because *you* use a mail client that supports HTML emails, does not mean every one *else* does. As I've said, this is mitigated by configuring your client to send an HTML block and a plain text block, however your client was not originally configured to do this, which is *probably* what prompted the "fix your client" thing anyway.
So, as I asked before with my sudo question, what am I missing? Are people just pig-headed snobs who like to feel wronged and stand out as martyrs for the Old School?
HTML emails are horrible, plain and simple. All it takes is getting mail from someone using Incredimail for you to see the truth in this statement. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
Steady Gund, you might stand to learn something from this informal rant and anyway, it gives you something to do when you come in and sit down at CL in the morning and drink the first of many cups of encaffinated beverage... Simon O Gund Wehsling wrote:
I will be removing my self from this mailing list today.
The amount of junk has now exceeded the amount of value.
Regards
Gund
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From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] Sent: Tue 5/04/2005 11:58 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] Mailing list etiquette (was Re: Sudo)
Also, many people read mailing lists in digest form. HTML (and other formats) tend to break in digest mode.
I hope you won't take offense, but this seems like the only good reason to me. Surely, in the year 2005, when the HTML 4 spec has been around for eight years and has been commonly used to style emails for not much less time than that, it is reasonable to assume that any mail reader can parse it?
No, it's not reasonable at all. Especially not for a mailing list which will have a high rate of people using command line only mail clients, or perhaps self-written mail clients. And people using telnet to read mail. It will happen, if only because it's *this* group of people.
From a purist point of view, I agree that emails should be in plain text. The reason I style them is because I like them to look pretty for
So do it?
less computer-savvy types who I regularly email, who don't know how to style things on their end. Additionally, there are some things that plain text simply won't do, and which I do occasionally use (lists being one).
I can do lists very easily in plain text:
* This is an example of a list * This is a second entry in a list, which has a longer line which I format approrpriately. * And here we have a third entry in a list * Look, I can do sublists too!
I'm not meaning to stir or be a pest; I just don't understand why any mail client in use today would not support HTML; or why people would turn it off? Surely, unless you're using OE, security isn't a problem. People seem to manage browsing the web without issues, and that's a far less controlled and predictable environment than email.
Just because *you* use a mail client that supports HTML emails, does not mean every one *else* does. As I've said, this is mitigated by configuring your client to send an HTML block and a plain text block, however your client was not originally configured to do this, which is *probably* what prompted the "fix your client" thing anyway.
So, as I asked before with my sudo question, what am I missing? Are people just pig-headed snobs who like to feel wronged and stand out as martyrs for the Old School?
HTML emails are horrible, plain and simple. All it takes is getting mail from someone using Incredimail for you to see the truth in this statement.
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Simon Oldham wrote:
Steady Gund, you might stand to learn something from this informal rant and anyway, it gives you something to do when you come in and sit down at CL in the morning and drink the first of many cups of encaffinated beverage...
Simon O
He might learn something... I won't learn much from him now though, as I tend to killfile people who get all pompous and announce to the list that they are leaving said list. If you want to go, just do it. We don't mind, but we don't need to hear about it. I called an end to the thread, in a fairly friendly way, when I thought nothing more was to be gained from it. G.
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