On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Liz Quilty <liz(a)velofille.com> wrote:
http://scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0903/S00121.htm
Liz
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What can we do to help, the cause. Maybe start a petition? Im sure I could get some support from student at the uni.
2009/3/11 Ronnie Collinson <notthinking(a)gmail.com>:
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Liz Quilty <liz(a)velofille.com> wrote:
http://scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0903/S00121.htm
Liz
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What can we do to help, the cause. Maybe start a petition? Im sure I could get some support from student at the uni.
The best thing you can do to help is let people know what's going on; There's a massive worldwide push by the 'IP cartels' to push through laws like this, and agreements such as ACTA. It's not just NZ It's not going to 'only affect people who steal music or movies'. There's a very large compliance cost for ISP's, and the definition of ISP is very broad. It's going to cost everyone money to implement.Your money, not the record companies. There's also very few safeguards. No Judicial oversight, no penalty of false accusations. No incentive for the record companies to make sure of infringement before they go pointing the finger. And it was passed in a very 'undemocratic' manner. It went through select committee where some changes were suggested which would have made it much fairer all round (no guilt by accusation alone, and penalties for false accusations), but those changes were simply 'reverted' before it got passed into law. That's not how the system is supposed to work, and every New Zealander should be disgusted at the way this law was passed, even if they agree with the intent of it. -- This email is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must burn your computer, while standing on one foot and chanting the entire jabberwocky. The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of the person who expressed them.
2009/3/12 Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz>:
That's not how the system is supposed to work, and every New Zealander should be disgusted at the way this law was passed, even if they agree with the intent of it.
I was under the impression that NZ does have fairly stringent copyright laws. There's been several court cases in the news (eg Waiariki, "Sione's Wedding"), and the occasional bit about business software association (can't remember the official title) chasing up alleged offenders. I haven't heard much about the new legislation (apart for section 92a) - is it more concerned with what is and what is not a breach of copyright - specifically electronic forms? Section 92a, as I understand it from publicity, is not about what does or does not constitute a breach of copyright, but is all about the punishment of alleged offenders. The possible tie-up with a Free Trade Agreement is intriguing. But then, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. That sort of pressure has always been applied - South Africa when under apartheid was under severe trading restrictions. (Just love those tinned guavas :-) ). Trade is just like politics - you can always find reasons for trading, and equally well find reasons for not trading. Michael
In an hours time I have a comp200 lecture which uses linux machines throughout I will ask the tutor if either he or I can inform all those intending On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> wrote:
2009/3/11 Ronnie Collinson <notthinking(a)gmail.com>:
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Liz Quilty <liz(a)velofille.com> wrote:
http://scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0903/S00121.htm
Liz
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What can we do to help, the cause. Maybe start a petition? Im sure I
could
get some support from student at the uni.
The best thing you can do to help is let people know what's going on;
There's a massive worldwide push by the 'IP cartels' to push through laws like this, and agreements such as ACTA. It's not just NZ
It's not going to 'only affect people who steal music or movies'.
There's a very large compliance cost for ISP's, and the definition of ISP is very broad. It's going to cost everyone money to implement.Your money, not the record companies.
There's also very few safeguards. No Judicial oversight, no penalty of false accusations. No incentive for the record companies to make sure of infringement before they go pointing the finger.
And it was passed in a very 'undemocratic' manner. It went through select committee where some changes were suggested which would have made it much fairer all round (no guilt by accusation alone, and penalties for false accusations), but those changes were simply 'reverted' before it got passed into law. That's not how the system is supposed to work, and every New Zealander should be disgusted at the way this law was passed, even if they agree with the intent of it.
-- This email is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must burn your computer, while standing on one foot and chanting the entire jabberwocky. The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of the person who expressed them. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
Didnt get chance to talk to the Lecturer to after the class, hes said i can have 5 minutes at the next lecture which is on tuesday. Should get a good responce since none of them like section92A at all, and all of them are using linux for multiple class, and many of them are using it at home as well On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Ronnie Collinson <notthinking(a)gmail.com>wrote:
In an hours time I have a comp200 lecture which uses linux machines throughout I will ask the tutor if either he or I can inform all those intending
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz>wrote:
2009/3/11 Ronnie Collinson <notthinking(a)gmail.com>:
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Liz Quilty <liz(a)velofille.com> wrote:
http://scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0903/S00121.htm
Liz
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What can we do to help, the cause. Maybe start a petition? Im sure I
could
get some support from student at the uni.
The best thing you can do to help is let people know what's going on;
There's a massive worldwide push by the 'IP cartels' to push through laws like this, and agreements such as ACTA. It's not just NZ
It's not going to 'only affect people who steal music or movies'.
There's a very large compliance cost for ISP's, and the definition of ISP is very broad. It's going to cost everyone money to implement.Your money, not the record companies.
There's also very few safeguards. No Judicial oversight, no penalty of false accusations. No incentive for the record companies to make sure of infringement before they go pointing the finger.
And it was passed in a very 'undemocratic' manner. It went through select committee where some changes were suggested which would have made it much fairer all round (no guilt by accusation alone, and penalties for false accusations), but those changes were simply 'reverted' before it got passed into law. That's not how the system is supposed to work, and every New Zealander should be disgusted at the way this law was passed, even if they agree with the intent of it.
-- This email is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must burn your computer, while standing on one foot and chanting the entire jabberwocky. The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of the person who expressed them. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
I should probably add that if people want to know specific details, creative freedom foundation's website ( http://creativefreedom.org.nz/ ) would be the best place to start. I should probably have dug up citations for what I said but I posted it 'on the way out the door' so to speak. However I think what I said is a fairly accurate and reasonable summary of the situation. 2009/3/12 Ronnie Collinson <notthinking(a)gmail.com>:
Didnt get chance to talk to the Lecturer to after the class, hes said i can have 5 minutes at the next lecture which is on tuesday. Should get a good responce since none of them like section92A at all, and all of them are using linux for multiple class, and many of them are using it at home as well
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Ronnie Collinson <notthinking(a)gmail.com> wrote:
In an hours time I have a comp200 lecture which uses linux machines throughout I will ask the tutor if either he or I can inform all those intending
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> wrote:
2009/3/11 Ronnie Collinson <notthinking(a)gmail.com>:
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Liz Quilty <liz(a)velofille.com> wrote:
http://scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0903/S00121.htm
Liz
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What can we do to help, the cause. Maybe start a petition? Im sure I could get some support from student at the uni.
The best thing you can do to help is let people know what's going on;
There's a massive worldwide push by the 'IP cartels' to push through laws like this, and agreements such as ACTA. It's not just NZ
It's not going to 'only affect people who steal music or movies'.
There's a very large compliance cost for ISP's, and the definition of ISP is very broad. It's going to cost everyone money to implement.Your money, not the record companies.
There's also very few safeguards. No Judicial oversight, no penalty of false accusations. No incentive for the record companies to make sure of infringement before they go pointing the finger.
And it was passed in a very 'undemocratic' manner. It went through select committee where some changes were suggested which would have made it much fairer all round (no guilt by accusation alone, and penalties for false accusations), but those changes were simply 'reverted' before it got passed into law. That's not how the system is supposed to work, and every New Zealander should be disgusted at the way this law was passed, even if they agree with the intent of it.
-- This email is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must burn your computer, while standing on one foot and chanting the entire jabberwocky. The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of the person who expressed them. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
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