re-scoring music using Rosegarden
I want to re-score some music (on paper) from tenor clef to bass clef and would like to use Rosegarden on my Ubuntu box to do this. I have read the tutorial at www.rosegardenmusic.com but I am still finding it hard to work out the basics of writing the music on-screen. Are there any local users of Rosegarden who could assist me? Cheers Justin Hyde
2009/7/28 Justin Hyde <j.hyde(a)waikato.ac.nz>
I want to re-score some music (on paper) from tenor clef to bass clef and would like to use Rosegarden on my Ubuntu box to do this.
I have read the tutorial at www.rosegardenmusic.com but I am still finding it hard to work out the basics of writing the music on-screen.
Are there any local users of Rosegarden who could assist me?
Hi Justin, Given the niche market, you are likely to receive more help from the RoseGarden mailing list and support forums than WLUG. http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/support/ Though you never know, there might be someone in Hamilton that is using it :-) -- simon
Hi Justin, I am not a regular user of Rosegarden but some months ago I made a concerted effort to get it going on Kubuntu. I would make the following comment. Rosegarden is a music sequencer capable of controlling internal or external soundcards. I was able to load some sound fonts onto my sound card and, using Rosegarden, was able attribute various instruments to a Rosegarden 'score' that I had downloaded. This enabled me to play a Baroque piece with the stringed instruments and choral voices. I was able to add effects such as reverb and alter the speed of playback. A neccessary complication of using Rosegarden was into install the real time linux kernel and configure JACK, a more sophisticated sound system to allow the output of Rosegarden to play back on a dual core laptop without stilted playback. In conjunction with downloading suitable sound fonts, it would have probably taken about 10hrs to figure all that out. You have the benefit of me confirming these requirements :) As for scoring, Rosegarden interfaces very nicely with Lilypond, a front end to Latex (a typesetting engine) that produces elegant and conventional musical notation. It is my understannding that you use an electronic keyboard to play a piece, have Rosegarden record it and with some further manipultion, output a conventional typeset score in Lilypond. I didn't actively attempt this but was curious to know if it was possible., since I don't have access to a MIDI capable keyboard and/or a sound card capable of MIDI recording. I'll be at the Fixit day this Saturday. If you use K/Ubuntu and have a suitable spec'd machine, I might be able to assist in some aspects of configuring Rosegarden on your machine. The transposition(or rescore) from the tenor clef to bass clef may be within the realms of Lilypond. In fact, Lilypond might really be what you after if you don't actually plan to use a sequencer or connect any instruments. Cheers, Chris 2009/7/28 Simon Green <simon(a)simongreen.name>:
2009/7/28 Justin Hyde <j.hyde(a)waikato.ac.nz>
I want to re-score some music (on paper) from tenor clef to bass clef and would like to use Rosegarden on my Ubuntu box to do this.
I have read the tutorial at www.rosegardenmusic.com but I am still finding it hard to work out the basics of writing the music on-screen.
Are there any local users of Rosegarden who could assist me?
Hi Justin,
Given the niche market, you are likely to receive more help from the RoseGarden mailing list and support forums than WLUG. http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/support/
Though you never know, there might be someone in Hamilton that is using it :-)
-- simon
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2009/7/28 Justin Hyde <j.hyde(a)waikato.ac.nz>:
I want to re-score some music (on paper) from tenor clef to bass clef and would like to use Rosegarden on my Ubuntu box to do this.
I would like to spend some time having a good look at music software ... have loaded "Denemo" for a rainy day, but every time there's a rainy there's too many other things to do. Clef change on a Lilypond file ought to be trivial. My understanding is that the notes can be specified either absolute or relative. The clef sign shouldn't alter pitch, so changing it ought to be just a matter of a simple change in the data file. Michael
2009/7/28 Michael McDonald <mikencolleen(a)gmail.com>:
Clef change on a Lilypond file ought to be trivial. My understanding is that the notes can be specified either absolute or relative. The clef sign shouldn't alter pitch, so changing it ought to be just a matter of a simple change in the data file.
'tis the case. Did a simple test. Generated a little scrap of music. The lilypond file follows. Changed the "clef treble" to "clef tenor" and "clef tenor" to "clef bass" ... and the notes were correct for the appropriate clef, ie the pitch didn't alter. Michael % LilyPond file generated by Denemo version 0.7.7 %http://www.gnu.org/software/denemo/ \version "2.8.7" \header{ title = "" subtitle = "" poet = "" composer = "" meter = "" opus = "" arranger = "" instrument = "" dedication = "" piece = "" head = "" copyright = "" footer = "" tagline = "" } #(set-global-staff-size 16) #(set-default-paper-size "a4") VoiceI = \context Voice = VoiceI { \set Staff.midiInstrument = "acoustic grand" \time 4/4 \key c \major \clef treble a4 c' e' g' \clef tenor | c' b a g \bar "|." } \score { << \new Staff << \VoiceI
\layout { } \midi { \tempo 4 = 60 } }
Clef change on a Lilypond file ought to be trivial. My understanding is that the notes can be specified either absolute or relative. The clef sign shouldn't alter pitch, so changing it ought to be just a matter of a simple change in the data file.
'tis the case. Did a simple test. Generated a little scrap of music. The lilypond file follows. Changed the "clef treble" to "clef tenor" and "clef tenor" to "clef bass" ... and the notes were correct for the appropriate clef, ie the pitch didn't alter.
If you prefer the "GUI" approach: just change the clef in Denemo using "Clef -> Initial Clef" from the "menu of objects" toolbar. Quite a nice application, this denemo. Have to keep that in mind. :-) Cheers, Peter -- Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174
Thanks for all the comments, much appreciated. I only have a hard copy of the music, hence I will have to either learn tenor clef or learn Rosegaren/Lilypond/Denemo to transcribe it. Certainly it appears that Lilypond (or Denemo) is more suitable for this purpose than Rosegarden, and I made significant progress late last night using Lilypond. Unfortunately I cannot make it to the workshop this weekend, but will try to make the next one. (I am trying to persuade one of my musical friends to use Linux and will invite them along too to hear the chorus). Thanks again! Justin 2009/7/28 Peter Reutemann <fracpete(a)gmail.com>
Clef change on a Lilypond file ought to be trivial. My understanding is that the notes can be specified either absolute or relative. The clef sign shouldn't alter pitch, so changing it ought to be just a matter of a simple change in the data file.
'tis the case. Did a simple test. Generated a little scrap of music. The lilypond file follows. Changed the "clef treble" to "clef tenor" and "clef tenor" to "clef bass" ... and the notes were correct for the appropriate clef, ie the pitch didn't alter.
If you prefer the "GUI" approach: just change the clef in Denemo using "Clef -> Initial Clef" from the "menu of objects" toolbar.
Quite a nice application, this denemo. Have to keep that in mind. :-)
Cheers, Peter -- Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174 _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
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