Received an iBook for my mother today. MacOS X is quite sweet. Lots of eye candy. The benefits of an OpenGL powered UI. Even groovier of course is the fact the it is BSD under the hood. A fact made perfectly clear once you launch a terminal or look at the process list. I would certainly be very tempted to get a Mac if I couldn't find a decent laptop to run Linux well. My business partner is trying to run FC2 on a Dell D800 and having "issues". I want a Laptop but don't want "issues". And I most certainly do _not_ want a Windows laptop. An Apple at least would be a Unix box. I could run lots of Unix apps.. The Gnome guys could do worse than copying Apple when it comes to user experience. Not overly impressed with Safari though (aka KHTML + Apple UI). Apple should have used Gecko for their HTML component. Firefox and Safari share many UI similarities. More thoughts as they come to me.... Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com
--- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> wrote:
I would certainly be very tempted to get a Mac if I couldn't find a decent laptop to run Linux well. My business partner is trying to run FC2 on a Dell D800 and having "issues". I want a Laptop but don't want "issues". And I most certainly do _not_ want a Windows laptop. An Apple at least would be a Unix box. I could run lots of Unix apps..
I am running Linux on my Notepad a Dell Insprion 2650 OK, just a couple of "issues" but would seem that most computers/Users have "issues" of some sort or not. Just my winmodem, sound funny sometimes and the NVIDIA video driver. But a lot of that is just my inexperience with Linux. Bill _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com
Based on a number of linux laptops and also MAC's and Linux on Macs, I would leave OSX on a mac, it is very unix, I mean the networking is just smb.conf editing. As for linux on Intel laptops, I would choose a different distro to FC2 as Fedora have chosen to play safe and not add a lot of features that make laptop linux workable. Unfortunately the best desktop linuxes all seem to based on Debian, (probably due to the supurb detection routines they can get from Knoppix but if you can live with that you will have a lot less hassle than FC2 will give you. I do linux desktops here and on average I can configure most distros in an hour, some take hours, but FC 2 takes days to get all the hardware and software working. Especially when it comes to wireless and network file sharing with windows and mac desktops. But again, that could be attributed to my lack of keeping up to date (excuse the pun) with FC2 as I spent a while in slackware, and got used to using tools that are not in FC2. however debian distros seem to be even easier. Mepis, Yoper and PC linux OS (a mandrake fork) seem to be the easiest to install and get running. I think mepis has the best hardware support, but PC linux OS has nvidia detection and driver installation from boot. Yoper of course is only for newer laptops, so I have not had too much experience with the wireless, but it seems harder than the previous 2 versions. Bill Rosoman wrote:
--- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> wrote:
I would certainly be very tempted to get a Mac if I couldn't find a decent laptop to run Linux well. My business partner is trying to run FC2 on a Dell D800 and having "issues". I want a Laptop but don't want "issues". And I most certainly do _not_ want a Windows laptop. An Apple at least would be a Unix box. I could run lots of Unix apps..
I am running Linux on my Notepad a Dell Insprion 2650 OK, just a couple of "issues" but would seem that most computers/Users have "issues" of some sort or not.
Gavin Denby wrote:
Based on a number of linux laptops and also MAC's and Linux on Macs, I would leave OSX on a mac, it is very unix, I mean the networking is just smb.conf editing. As for linux on Intel laptops, I would choose a different distro to FC2 as Fedora have chosen to play safe and not add a lot of features that make laptop linux workable. Unfortunately the best desktop linuxes all seem to based on Debian, (probably due to the supurb detection routines they can get from Knoppix but if you can live with that you will have a lot less hassle than FC2 will give you.
Unfortunately? What's wrong with debian?!!
No Debian insult intended, but since FC was being installed on the laptop originally a project based on FC would have been the best choice. the only one I really know off is the cobind desktop and that would no be my choice for a laptop. If he had a desktop based on FC2 he could have had familiarity and the tools he already knew off. The "unfortunately" is that it is unfortunate that FC has not really produced any projects targeting the desktop. These all seem to come from debian or slackware. Naturally anyone changing from one distro to another has to learn all the variations and quirks all over again. After all Redhat as a history of doing things a little differently. Actually, Most of my desktops are debian based, as I need the hardware support of Kernel 2.6 and the newer tools too. The slackware distros are falling too far behind, which is really sad as I like the way things are laid out in slackware.
Unfortunately? What's wrong with debian?!!
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On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 07:36:52PM +1200, Oliver Jones wrote:
Received an iBook for my mother today. MacOS X is quite sweet. Lots of eye candy. The benefits of an OpenGL powered UI.
uh? the ui does not use opengl. (if it were, you'd be able to do things like the java looking glass desktop, like turning windows sideways)
The Gnome guys could do worse than copying Apple when it comes to user experience.
not a chance. this is not a question about looks, but about feel. and that feel goes so deep into the base foundation of the libraries that make up the ui, that gnome would pretty much require a rewrite to get where apple is. if you want the same feel on linux then take a look at GNUstep. GNUstep is an implementation of the OpenStep specification, which is also the base for the OSX interface. GNUstep may look very different, but if you use it the feel will be pretty much the same. and now that GNUstep is themable it won't take long until someone creates an OSX theme. greetings, martin. -- looking for a job doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer travelling and working in europe open-steam.org unix system- bahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at administrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org is.schon.org Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/
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