Customs Minister Wants Right To Demand Passwords From Device Users
I would say this relevant to everybody in New Zealand or visiting New Zealand, Linux user or not. “Powers that would require a person to provide a password or access to their electronic device will be useless if their material is instead stored online, Customs Minister Nicky Wagner admits. However, Ms Wagner insists such a change to legislation is necessary and will still enable Customs to catch people with illegal material.” <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11480330>
Wait a minute. They want to be able to coerce people into providing their passwords... ... with no threshold of suspicion? Thought police, anyone? Eric -------------------------------------------- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro < ldo(a)geek-central.gen.nz> wrote:
I would say this relevant to everybody in New Zealand or visiting New Zealand, Linux user or not.
“Powers that would require a person to provide a password or access to their electronic device will be useless if their material is instead stored online, Customs Minister Nicky Wagner admits.
However, Ms Wagner insists such a change to legislation is necessary and will still enable Customs to catch people with illegal material.”
< http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11480330
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It is an extension of the guilty until proven innocent doctrine that is now beginning to pervade all aspects of law enforcement, not unlike what happens in police states. Probable cause, due process and court ordered search warrants have been thrown out in favour of broad powers at the click of a mouse, especially when it comes to electronic privacy of individuals and surveillance concerns. On Tue, 2015-07-14 at 13:20 +1200, Eric Light wrote:
Wait a minute. They want to be able to coerce people into providing their passwords...
... with no threshold of suspicion?
Thought police, anyone?
Eric
-------------------------------------------- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo(a)geek-central.gen.nz> wrote: I would say this relevant to everybody in New Zealand or visiting New Zealand, Linux user or not.
“Powers that would require a person to provide a password or access to their electronic device will be useless if their material is instead stored online, Customs Minister Nicky Wagner admits.
However, Ms Wagner insists such a change to legislation is necessary and will still enable Customs to catch people with illegal material.”
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Hmmm. So this would apply to fingerprint-enabled devices as well? Can they currently coerce you into giving up your fingerprint, or acquire your fingerprint and use gummy-bear access methods? And what would happen if you had a specific unused login account that the instant you logged in ran a script that disabled ALL inputs (power-off included) and DD'ed all over your supposed illegal material? So many holes so little time... Elroy. gb wrote:
It is an extension of the guilty until proven innocent doctrine that is now beginning to pervade all aspects of law enforcement, not unlike what happens in police states. Probable cause, due process and court ordered search warrants have been thrown out in favour of broad powers at the click of a mouse, especially when it comes to electronic privacy of individuals and surveillance concerns.
On Tue, 2015-07-14 at 13:20 +1200, Eric Light wrote:
Wait a minute. They want to be able to coerce people into providing their passwords...
... with no threshold of suspicion?
Thought police, anyone?
That's an idea . . . Would you care to write such a script and publish it? I don't have the knowledge, but would assume that (almost) any SysAdmin could do it. Peter could then submit it to the Computer Security people at the university and have it vetted there. Then it could go to your favourite Member of Parliament, Andrew Little, Winston Peters, The Herald, TV1, TV3 . . . The whole country would have a good laugh. And if it is published widely enough, Big Brother might stop attempting to exploit the ignorance of Joe Citizen? After all, today's list of basic civil rights has been accumulated by subversion filibustering attempts of the high-and-mighty to extend their power. Wolfgang On 19/07/15 10:09, Elroy wrote:
Hmmm.
So this would apply to fingerprint-enabled devices as well?
Can they currently coerce you into giving up your fingerprint, or acquire your fingerprint and use gummy-bear access methods?
And what would happen if you had a specific unused login account that the instant you logged in ran a script that disabled ALL inputs (power-off included) and DD'ed all over your supposed illegal material?
So many holes so little time...
Elroy.
gb wrote:
It is an extension of the guilty until proven innocent doctrine that is now beginning to pervade all aspects of law enforcement, not unlike what happens in police states. Probable cause, due process and court ordered search warrants have been thrown out in favour of broad powers at the click of a mouse, especially when it comes to electronic privacy of individuals and surveillance concerns.
On Tue, 2015-07-14 at 13:20 +1200, Eric Light wrote:
Wait a minute. They want to be able to coerce people into providing their passwords...
... with no threshold of suspicion?
Thought police, anyone?
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what would happen if you had a specific unused login account that the instant you logged in ran a script that disabled ALL inputs (power-off included) and DD'ed all over your supposed illegal material?
Sounds good to me, ...but you might be re-inventing the wheel. Fifteen years ago Julian Assange and friends developed the Rubber hose file system that uses plausibly deniable encryption. "...It was originally designed for use by human rights groups working in third world dictatorships..." cheers, Ian.
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