Reminder AGM in September
Folks, According to the constitution we are required to make periodic notices advising of the AGM. So consider this another periodic notice as per our constitution. Our AGM will be at the regular slot in September and we won't have a formal speaker but I'm sure we can discuss ideas if we have time - just like when we had a speaker mishap last time. Remember - we're always keen to get people involved on the committee. I'll be stepping down and so will some (but not all of the others). It's not a huge workload and feel free to discuss it with any existing committee member. We will vote for committee members and my aim is that we will just have a simple first past the post vote now we don't have Craig to run the STV system. Of course, this is open to discussion if anybody wants to discuss it. Ian Current El Presidente -- Web1: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Web2: http://www.jandi.co.nz Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz
We will vote for committee members and my aim is that we will just have a simple first past the post vote now we don't have Craig to run the STV system. Of course, this is open to discussion if anybody wants to discuss it.
FPP doesn't really work for selecting N candidates out of M. The software is very simple to use, and is available at http://stv.sourceforge.net/. Craig
On 8/7/07, Craig Box <craig(a)dubculture.co.nz> wrote:
We will vote for committee members and my aim is that we will just have a simple first past the post vote now we don't have Craig to run the STV system. Of course, this is open to discussion if anybody wants to discuss it.
FPP doesn't really work for selecting N candidates out of M. The software is very simple to use, and is available at http://stv.sourceforge.net/.
Craig
I'll look at that but can you elude as to why it doesn't work? With FPP you pick the N top ranked candidates and they become your committee members. Ian -- Web1: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Web2: http://www.jandi.co.nz Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz
FPP doesn't really work for selecting N candidates out of M. The software is very simple to use, and is available at http://stv.sourceforge.net/.
I'll look at that but can you elude as to why it doesn't work? With FPP you pick the N top ranked candidates and they become your committee members.
I can't seem to come up with a concise argument in my head, although I *know* the reasoning. The wikipedia artcle on it links to several good articles though, discussing the relative benefits (and problems) with STV. It basically boils down to reassigning unused votes. If I could vote for three people out of eight, it's very possible that none of my three votes would be awarded to people that end up winning. If the distribution of votes is relatively flat, this could result in a large number of votes being wasted. STV assigns preferences to candidates, so in the event of your primary choice being eliminated (or, I think, voted in with a large majority), your vote is effectively redistributed to the next candidate on the list. You end up with being able to pick out things like "no one could agree on a first choice candidate (equal spread), but everyone[1] agreed that Alice would be second best". In this case, Alice would probably get in. Under FPP, even though she was a strong second choice candidate, it would merely be the frontrunners that got through. [1] Everyone that didn't put Alice as a first choice candidate, of course. I'm probably not explaining it very well - if I'm outright wrong, I hope someone will step and correct me.
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 13:39 +1200, Daniel Lawson wrote:
FPP doesn't really work for selecting N candidates out of M. The software is very simple to use, and is available at http://stv.sourceforge.net/.
I'll look at that but can you elude as to why it doesn't work? With FPP you pick the N top ranked candidates and they become your committee members.
I can't seem to come up with a concise argument in my head, although I *know* the reasoning. The wikipedia artcle on it links to several good articles though, discussing the relative benefits (and problems) with STV.
<cynical attitude> Whichever voting system was deployed has mostly been a WOFTAM because of the lack of candidates. If we had more candidates then we would know what works the best for us. Hey, I've got an idea, why don't we get heaps of candidates this year and see what works the best, after that, we can document it in the wiki. </cynical attitude>
Erm - WOFTAM? From context I'm guessing "Waste of *Free* Time and $SOMETHING" I can appreciate your cynicism because it was basically a one horse race for everything last year (and from inference most previous years also) For the Record - I am willing to stand again as Treasurer and Committee Member. James. On 8/7/07, Lindsay Druett <lindsay(a)wired.net.nz> wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 13:39 +1200, Daniel Lawson wrote:
FPP doesn't really work for selecting N candidates out of M. The software>> is very simple to use, and is available at http://stv.sourceforge.net/.>> > I'll look at that but can you elude as to why it doesn't work? With> FPP you pick the N top ranked candidates and they become your> committee members. I can't seem to come up with a concise argument in my head, although I*know* the reasoning. The wikipedia artcle on it links to several goodarticles though, discussing the relative benefits (and problems) with STV.
<cynical attitude> Whichever voting system was deployed has mostly been a WOFTAM because of the lack of candidates. If we had more candidates then we would know what works the best for us. Hey, I've got an idea, why don't we get heaps of candidates this year and see what works the best, after that, we can document it in the wiki. </cynical attitude>
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On 8/7/07, James Pluck <papabearnz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Erm - WOFTAM? From context I'm guessing "Waste of *Free* Time and $SOMETHING"
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On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 14:54 +1200, Ian McDonald wrote:
On 8/7/07, James Pluck <papabearnz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Erm - WOFTAM? From context I'm guessing "Waste of *Free* Time and $SOMETHING"
$SOMETHING = money
That reminds me... there was going to be a small change to the constitution (clearing up who's allowed to sign cheques) and I was supposed to look into what notice we're required to give. I haven't done that. Where do I find this?
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:22 +1200, Ian McDonald wrote:
Remember - we're always keen to get people involved on the committee. I'll be stepping down and so will some (but not all of the others). It's not a huge workload and feel free to discuss it with any existing committee member.
While I haven't thought about whether I would stand as VP again or step down, I would like to see all committee positions well contended for (including mine). I'm personally keen to see people come forward declare their intentions as we have done in previous years. However, I'm also in for last minute contentions, and I will happily resort to similar tactics to last year. Like any another society committee, we need new people coming in every year with fresh ideas and a sense of rejuvenation.
participants (6)
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Bruce Kingsbury -
Craig Box -
Daniel Lawson -
Ian McDonald -
James Pluck -
Lindsay Druett