See also Linux Mint 18 in 32-bit version, and Bodhi complete with Enlightenment. NOW WHAT ABOUT TRIMMING THOSE POSTS!!! OTHERWISE I MAY BE FORCED TO DIG OUT SOME ARCHAIC INTERNET ETIQUETTE FAQ AND POST IT IN FULL ALL IN CAPS. Just joshing people. But puhleeze???! A word for Michelle and the quest for perfection. Sometimes in this life there is a dichotomy between what we wish for and what we can actually accomplish. Maybe near enough is good enough. Is there actually such a thing as complete security on the internet? Possibly, but probably not for the average citizen. "You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it." Scott McNealy, formerly of Sun Microsystems. Sad but probably true.
Hi Ian, So... What's the deal with the post trimming? I personally prefer posts not trimmed, in general... It helps me to be able flick down and see what the previous person was replying to. I remember the old days when it mattered - download speed and crummy mail clients made trimming important. But that was decades ago, and we don't need to worry so much about clogging the intertubes now. Personally, I do the vast majority of emailing from my phone, and accurately selecting the text to trim is frustrating, difficult, and time-consuming. As a result of that, I'm honestly likely to continue to flout the etiquette. Since you're the only person I've personally encountered who strongly advocates trimming, can you tell me why it affects you so much? Hearing a real-life counterpoint might make me more likely to take the extra time to trim my replies. ;-) E -- Securely sent with Tutanota. It's good, you should try it: https://tutanota.com 5. Jul 2016 23:25 by gnomician(a)gmail.com:
See also Linux Mint 18 in 32-bit version, and Bodhi complete with Enlightenment.
NOW WHAT ABOUT TRIMMING THOSE POSTS!!! OTHERWISE I MAY BE FORCED TO DIG OUT SOME ARCHAIC INTERNET ETIQUETTE FAQ AND POST IT IN FULL ALL IN CAPS.
Just joshing people. But puhleeze???!
A word for Michelle and the quest for perfection. Sometimes in this life there is a dichotomy between what we wish for and what we can actually accomplish. Maybe near enough is good enough. Is there actually such a thing as complete security on the internet? Possibly, but probably not for the average citizen.
"You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it." Scott McNealy, formerly of Sun Microsystems. Sad but probably true. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: > https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
Cheers, Peter happening on this mailing list. Either way, I like it when there are discussions got better things to do. that, since it takes too much time and I really But, I've long given up correcting people on answer and not the other way round. Usually, you have the question followed by the absolutely counter-intuitive to read. on mailing lists really annoying, since it is Hence, I really find non-trimming and top-posting other way round. learned to read from top to bottom and not the I'm not sure about school here in NZ, but I Hi Eric On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Eric Light <eric(a)ericlight.com> wrote:
Hi Ian,
So... What's the deal with the post trimming? I personally prefer posts not trimmed, in general... It helps me to be able flick down and see what the previous person was replying to.
I remember the old days when it mattered - download speed and crummy mail clients made trimming important. But that was decades ago, and we don't need to worry so much about clogging the intertubes now.
Personally, I do the vast majority of emailing from my phone, and accurately selecting the text to trim is frustrating, difficult, and time-consuming. As a result of that, I'm honestly likely to continue to flout the etiquette.
Since you're the only person I've personally encountered who strongly advocates trimming, can you tell me why it affects you so much? Hearing a real-life counterpoint might make me more likely to take the extra time to trim my replies. ;-)
E -- Securely sent with Tutanota. It's good, you should try it: https://tutanota.com
5. Jul 2016 23:25 by gnomician(a)gmail.com:
See also Linux Mint 18 in 32-bit version, and Bodhi complete with Enlightenment.
NOW WHAT ABOUT TRIMMING THOSE POSTS!!! OTHERWISE I MAY BE FORCED TO DIG OUT SOME ARCHAIC INTERNET ETIQUETTE FAQ AND POST IT IN FULL ALL IN CAPS.
Just joshing people. But puhleeze???!
A word for Michelle and the quest for perfection. Sometimes in this life there is a dichotomy between what we wish for and what we can actually accomplish. Maybe near enough is good enough. Is there actually such a thing as complete security on the internet? Possibly, but probably not for the average citizen.
"You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it." Scott McNealy, formerly of Sun Microsystems. Sad but probably true. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
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That....... that was beautiful, Peter. *wipes away a single tear* :-D -- Securely sent with Tutanota. It's good, you should try it: https://tutanota.com 6. Jul 2016 08:55 by fracpete(a)waikato.ac.nz:
Cheers, Peter
happening on this mailing list. Either way, I like it when there are discussions
got better things to do. that, since it takes too much time and I really But, I've long given up correcting people on answer and not the other way round. Usually, you have the question followed by the absolutely counter-intuitive to read. on mailing lists really annoying, since it is Hence, I really find non-trimming and top-posting other way round. learned to read from top to bottom and not the I'm not sure about school here in NZ, but I
Hi Eric
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Eric Light <> eric(a)ericlight.com> > wrote:
Hi Ian,
So... What's the deal with the post trimming? I personally prefer posts not trimmed, in general... It helps me to be able flick down and see what the previous person was replying to.
I remember the old days when it mattered - download speed and crummy mail clients made trimming important. But that was decades ago, and we don't need to worry so much about clogging the intertubes now.
Personally, I do the vast majority of emailing from my phone, and accurately selecting the text to trim is frustrating, difficult, and time-consuming. As a result of that, I'm honestly likely to continue to flout the etiquette.
Since you're the only person I've personally encountered who strongly advocates trimming, can you tell me why it affects you so much? Hearing a real-life counterpoint might make me more likely to take the extra time to trim my replies. ;-)
E -- Securely sent with Tutanota. It's good, you should try it: https://tutanota.com
5. Jul 2016 23:25 by >> gnomician(a)gmail.com>> :
See also Linux Mint 18 in 32-bit version, and Bodhi complete with Enlightenment.
NOW WHAT ABOUT TRIMMING THOSE POSTS!!! OTHERWISE I MAY BE FORCED TO DIG OUT SOME ARCHAIC INTERNET ETIQUETTE FAQ AND POST IT IN FULL ALL IN CAPS.
Just joshing people. But puhleeze???!
A word for Michelle and the quest for perfection. Sometimes in this life there is a dichotomy between what we wish for and what we can actually accomplish. Maybe near enough is good enough. Is there actually such a thing as complete security on the internet? Possibly, but probably not for the average citizen.
"You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it." Scott McNealy, formerly of Sun Microsystems. Sad but probably true. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | >> wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: >> https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
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Yeah that was awesome Peter. Did you use Python by chance to reverse those lines of text? Personally top-down and non-trimming doesn't bother me, I relize that in-line posting is ideal but I believe the convo is more important than where the 0s and 1s are placed. Getting upset AND YELLING really doesn't help and just makes me want to top-post more and of course yell back. Though the best action instead of reacting is to just ignore and walk away (chill William everything is going to be ok, deep slow breaths). I think it's even worse when multi topics are merged into one post. If you trim totally without quoting it can be hard to know what it being replyed to. Be happy wlug mailing list is plain text (I'm looking at you ccanz grr) Cheers, William On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Eric Light <eric(a)ericlight.com> wrote:
That....... that was beautiful, Peter. *wipes away a single tear*
:-D
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6. Jul 2016 08:55 by fracpete(a)waikato.ac.nz:
Cheers, Peter
happening on this mailing list. Either way, I like it when there are discussions
got better things to do. that, since it takes too much time and I really But, I've long given up correcting people on answer and not the other way round. Usually, you have the question followed by the absolutely counter-intuitive to read. on mailing lists really annoying, since it is Hence, I really find non-trimming and top-posting other way round. learned to read from top to bottom and not the I'm not sure about school here in NZ, but I
Hi Eric
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Eric Light <eric(a)ericlight.com> wrote:
Hi Ian,
So... What's the deal with the post trimming? I personally prefer posts not trimmed, in general... It helps me to be able flick down and see what the previous person was replying to.
I remember the old days when it mattered - download speed and crummy mail clients made trimming important. But that was decades ago, and we don't need to worry so much about clogging the intertubes now.
Personally, I do the vast majority of emailing from my phone, and accurately selecting the text to trim is frustrating, difficult, and time-consuming. As a result of that, I'm honestly likely to continue to flout the etiquette.
Since you're the only person I've personally encountered who strongly advocates trimming, can you tell me why it affects you so much? Hearing a real-life counterpoint might make me more likely to take the extra time to trim my replies. ;-)
E -- Securely sent with Tutanota. It's good, you should try it: https://tutanota.com
5. Jul 2016 23:25 by gnomician(a)gmail.com:
See also Linux Mint 18 in 32-bit version, and Bodhi complete with Enlightenment.
NOW WHAT ABOUT TRIMMING THOSE POSTS!!! OTHERWISE I MAY BE FORCED TO DIG OUT SOME ARCHAIC INTERNET ETIQUETTE FAQ AND POST IT IN FULL ALL IN CAPS.
Just joshing people. But puhleeze???!
A word for Michelle and the quest for perfection. Sometimes in this life there is a dichotomy between what we wish for and what we can actually accomplish. Maybe near enough is good enough. Is there actually such a thing as complete security on the internet? Possibly, but probably not for the average citizen.
"You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it." Scott McNealy, formerly of Sun Microsystems. Sad but probably true. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
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Yeah that was awesome Peter. Did you use Python by chance to reverse those lines of text?
Nah... Just writing like an antipode... ;-) Cheers, Peter -- Peter Reutemann Dept. of Computer Science University of Waikato, NZ +64 (7) 858-5174 http://www.cms.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ http://www.data-mining.co.nz/
Did you use Python by chance to reverse those lines of text?
Nah... Just writing like an antipode... ;-)
<http://www.data-mining.co.nz/> In anticipation of the growing need for antipodeans to write lines of text from bottom to top, I have provided the following python3 program to convert existing text files to this format... #!/usr/bin/env python3 # bot2top.py import sys if int(sys.version[0]) < 3: sys.exit("Please use python3") while True: filename = input("Enter filename with lines of text to be reversed: ") try: f = open(filename, "r") break except: print("File not found. Please re-enter filename...") continue for line in reversed(f.readlines()): print(line[:-1]) f.close() ...and for those of you who have difficulty reading python programs written from top to bottom, then here it is again, but written from bottom to top... f.close() print(line[:-1]) for line in reversed(f.readlines()): continue print("File not found. Please re-enter filename...") except: break f = open(filename, "r") try: filename = input("Enter filename with lines of text to be reversed: ") while True: sys.exit("Please use python3") if int(sys.version[0]) < 3: import sys # bot2top.py #!/usr/bin/env python3 cheers, Ian.
Fantastic! :-D I've taken the liberty of making it compatible with both Python 2 and 3 (tested in 2.7.12 and 3.5.1), and reworking to fit better with PEP-8. #!/usr/bin/env python3# darn_antipodeans.pyfrom sys import argvtry: with open(argv[1], 'r') as input_file: for line in reversed(input_file.readlines()): print(line[:-1])except FileNotFoundError: print("File not found. Please re-enter filename...") E -- Securely sent with Tutanota. It's good, you should try it: https://tutanota.com 6. Jul 2016 13:20 by ianstewart56(a)hotmail.com:
In anticipation of the growing need for antipodeans to write lines of text from bottom to top, I have provided the following python3 program to convert existing text files to this format...
cheers, Ian.
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 01:20:04 +0000, Ian Stewart wrote:
f = open(filename, "r")
...
f.close()
No need to worry about closing a file that was opened read-only. Also, true command-line tools read their args from the command line, not from additional user input. :) The One True Way to write this is as a filter that reads from stdin and writes to stdout. Viz: #!/usr/bin/python3 import sys sys.stdout.write \ ( "".join(reversed(list(sys.stdin))) ) Voilà. :)
tac - concatenate and print files in reverse On 6/07/2016 2:16 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 01:20:04 +0000, Ian Stewart wrote:
f = open(filename, "r")
...
f.close() No need to worry about closing a file that was opened read-only.
Also, true command-line tools read their args from the command line, not from additional user input. :)
The One True Way to write this is as a filter that reads from stdin and writes to stdout. Viz:
#!/usr/bin/python3
import sys
sys.stdout.write \ ( "".join(reversed(list(sys.stdin))) )
Voilà. :) _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
"I think it's even worse when multi topics are merged into one post." ^^^ THIS! A thousand times, this Wikipedia has an interesting section on the subject: In the earlier days of Usenet informal discussions where everyone was an equal encouraged bottom-posting. Until the mid-1990s, posts in a net.newcomers newsgroup insisted on interleaving replies. Usenet comp.lang hierarchy, especially comp.lang.c and comp.lang.c++ insisted on the same as of the 2010s. The alt hierarchy tolerated top-posting. Newer online participants, especially those with limited experience of Usenet, tend to be less sensitive to arguments about posting style. Indeed, Usenet was just giving way to BBS' when I started my computing journey, presumably leading to my insensitivity on the subject of TOFU ("text over, fullquote under"). Bottom-posting preserves the logical order of the replies and is consistent with the Western reading direction from top to bottom. The major argument against bottom-posting is that scrolling down through a post to find a reply is inconvenient, especially for short replies to long messages. I fear we're entering into the Fire Swamp. Look out for the Rodents of Unusual Size! E -- Securely sent with Tutanota. It's good, you should try it: https://tutanota.com 6. Jul 2016 09:51 by will(a)artcontrol.me:
Yeah that was awesome Peter. Did you use Python by chance to reverse those lines of text? Personally top-down and non-trimming doesn't bother me, I relize that in-line posting is ideal but I believe the convo is more important than where the 0s and 1s are placed. Getting upset AND YELLING really doesn't help and just makes me want to top-post more and of course yell back. Though the best action instead of reacting is to just ignore and walk away (chill William everything is going to be ok, deep slow breaths). I think it's even worse when multi topics are merged into one post.
If you trim totally without quoting it can be hard to know what it being replyed to.
Be happy wlug mailing list is plain text (I'm looking at you ccanz grr)
Cheers,
William
On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 08:55:11 +1200, Peter Reutemann wrote:
Usually, you have the question followed by the absolutely counter-intuitive to read.
At one point on USENET I was repurposing old lawyer jokes: A: Skid marks in front of the hedgehog. Q: What the difference between a dead hedgehog on the road, and a dead top-poster on the road?
Eric Light writes:
So... What's the deal with the post trimming? I personally prefer posts not trimmed, in general...
Maybe I am old fashioned, but I absolutely appreciate it when people trim posts back and quote relevant parts only. Trimming messages and and following quoted material with your own post is a courtesy that should be afforded to your readers without fail. Anyone with at least half a brain cell (unfortunately they are few in number) is using a threaded mail reader that links together all messages in a thread so that one can refer back to old messages if the need arises.
As a result of that, I'm honestly likely to continue to flout the etiquette.
Oh, for crying out loud, are you serious???!! Cheers Michael.
Yep, I'm serious. It's an unspeakable pain on my phone. You may have noticed my replies during the day (from an actual keyboard) are more fitting with sensibilities though. ;-) -- Securely sent with Tutanota. It's good, you should try it: https://tutanota.com 6. Jul 2016 22:47 by mcree(a)orcon.net.nz:
Eric Light writes:
So... What's the deal with the post trimming? I personally prefer posts not trimmed, in general...
Maybe I am old fashioned, but I absolutely appreciate it when people trim posts back and quote relevant parts only. Trimming messages and and following quoted material with your own post is a courtesy that should be afforded to your readers without fail.
Anyone with at least half a brain cell (unfortunately they are few in number) is using a threaded mail reader that links together all messages in a thread so that one can refer back to old messages if the need arises.
As a result of that, I'm honestly likely to continue to flout the etiquette.
Oh, for crying out loud, are you serious???!!
Cheers Michael. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: > https://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
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