Just got the word from the people at linmodems that dialup modems are not supported on 64 bit versions of linux. Thats not catastrophic, I can use my Windows laptop to connect to the net and internet share across my home network, until I can get ADSL. Now all I have to do is make my Linux system communicate with my windows laptop. I have manually configured my networking settings on my Linux system, and can ping both ways, but cant get internet sharing up and running. I think the problem is with settings on my windows laptop. GLENN.
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 04:46 +1200, Glenn Morrissey wrote:
Just got the word from the people at linmodems that dialup modems are not supported on 64 bit versions of linux. Thats not catastrophic, I can use my Windows laptop to connect to the net and internet share across my home network, until I can get ADSL. Now all I have to do is make my Linux system communicate with my windows laptop. I have manually configured my networking settings on my Linux system, and can ping both ways, but cant get internet sharing up and running. I think the problem is with settings on my windows laptop.
GLENN.
That's not correct, it's true that Ubuntu's support for dialup sux but OpenSUSE has dialup support. Wvdial and KPPP are on the 64 bit 11.3 DVD. (released 15th of this month). Fedora 13 also has dialup packages on the DVD. Ubuntu's support says for dialup: "go sudo aptget install ..... :( I kid you not, it tells you to install packages from the internet to get an internet connection! Recently I installed Ubuntu Ultimate Edition because the DVD was supposed to have everything on it and you didn't need to get anything over the internet.... it did have everything... everything, that is, except the stuff required for me to connect to the internet. Luckily I had an OpenSUSE box that I could download the packages with. I finally got it running after staggering through a dependency nightmare but it will still only run under sudo. Thank god my new OpenSUSE 11.3 DVD arrived today. I've discussed this with Ubuntu people at conferences in the past and pointed out that it would be nice if there was a DVD version with all those sorts of packages on. I was told there was a DVD which I was very happy about until I discovered that all the DVD did was add multiple language support! :( Something as basic as dialup support should be a given on any install media and it completely mystifies me why the Ubuntu people can't see this. cheers GL
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Graham wrote:
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 04:46 +1200, Glenn Morrissey wrote:
Just got the word from the people at linmodems that dialup modems are not supported on 64 bit versions of linux. Thats not catastrophic, I can use my Windows laptop to connect to the net and internet share across my home network, until I can get ADSL. Now all I have to do is make my Linux system communicate with my windows laptop. I have manually configured my networking settings on my Linux system, and can ping both ways, but cant get internet sharing up and running. I think the problem is with settings on my windows laptop.
GLENN.
That's not correct, it's true that Ubuntu's support for dialup sux but OpenSUSE has dialup support. Wvdial and KPPP are on the 64 bit 11.3 DVD. (released 15th of this month). Fedora 13 also has dialup packages on the DVD.
Ubuntu's support says for dialup: "go sudo aptget install ..... :( I kid you not, it tells you to install packages from the internet to get an internet connection!
Recently I installed Ubuntu Ultimate Edition because the DVD was supposed to have everything on it and you didn't need to get anything over the internet.... it did have everything... everything, that is, except the stuff required for me to connect to the internet. Luckily I had an OpenSUSE box that I could download the packages with. I finally got it running after staggering through a dependency nightmare but it will still only run under sudo. Thank god my new OpenSUSE 11.3 DVD arrived today.
I've discussed this with Ubuntu people at conferences in the past and pointed out that it would be nice if there was a DVD version with all those sorts of packages on. I was told there was a DVD which I was very happy about until I discovered that all the DVD did was add multiple language support! :(
Something as basic as dialup support should be a given on any install media and it completely mystifies me why the Ubuntu people can't see this.
cheers GL
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Hi Graham Doesn't it strike you as odd that in order to get on the internet you need to get on the internet to download the packages to get on the internet...? It sure does me. Perhaps the rationale is everyone in this day and age is supposed to have DSL or such so that they don't need to install a dial up modem. Hmmmm, I thought Linux was supposed to be useful to everyone, not just those who are lucky enough to have access to DSL. In so far as having all the packages you could ever need on one DVD, that sounds like a great idea, perhaps someone needs to whisper that in the ear of the people at Canonical so that Ubuntu is not shipped as a bare bones install, with an assumed high speed or wireless internet connection. I also think that it is ridiculous that there is not 64 bit modem support for certain Internal modems under Linux, and the notion of having to run a 64 Bit System with a 32 Bit Operating system in the hope, and that's all it is, hope, that there is a modem driver that will be compatible with the OS. I thought, perhaps in error that Linux was supposed to be a serious contender to the Windows monopoly. Installing it is easy sure enough, providing you don't need dial up access to the internet, the right display drivers or Ethernet. Hmmmmm. Glenn.
The only thing that frustrates me MORE is that not only have the removed dialup, but they've also 'improved it'. They've made small and quite pointless changes to the dialler program, and taken out options to override things (WHY?!!) so that on some ISP's it's now just about impossible to make a connection. wvdial used to be nearly bulletproof back when I neded to use it myself (and so is whatever Windows uses), but under ubuntu it just won't work unless your ISP sends just the right prompts in just the right order. On 24 July 2010 02:10, Glenn Morrissey <gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz> wrote:
Graham wrote:
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 04:46 +1200, Glenn Morrissey wrote:
Just got the word from the people at linmodems that dialup modems are not supported on 64 bit versions of linux. Thats not catastrophic, I can use my Windows laptop to connect to the net and internet share across my home network, until I can get ADSL. Now all I have to do is make my Linux system communicate with my windows laptop. I have manually configured my networking settings on my Linux system, and can ping both ways, but cant get internet sharing up and running. I think the problem is with settings on my windows laptop.
GLENN.
That's not correct, it's true that Ubuntu's support for dialup sux but OpenSUSE has dialup support. Wvdial and KPPP are on the 64 bit 11.3 DVD. (released 15th of this month). Fedora 13 also has dialup packages on the DVD.
Ubuntu's support says for dialup: "go sudo aptget install ..... :( I kid you not, it tells you to install packages from the internet to get an internet connection!
Recently I installed Ubuntu Ultimate Edition because the DVD was supposed to have everything on it and you didn't need to get anything over the internet.... it did have everything... everything, that is, except the stuff required for me to connect to the internet. Luckily I had an OpenSUSE box that I could download the packages with. I finally got it running after staggering through a dependency nightmare but it will still only run under sudo. Thank god my new OpenSUSE 11.3 DVD arrived today.
I've discussed this with Ubuntu people at conferences in the past and pointed out that it would be nice if there was a DVD version with all those sorts of packages on. I was told there was a DVD which I was very happy about until I discovered that all the DVD did was add multiple language support! :(
Something as basic as dialup support should be a given on any install media and it completely mystifies me why the Ubuntu people can't see this.
cheers GL
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Hi Graham
Doesn't it strike you as odd that in order to get on the internet you need to get on the internet to download the packages to get on the internet...? It sure does me. Perhaps the rationale is everyone in this day and age is supposed to have DSL or such so that they don't need to install a dial up modem. Hmmmm, I thought Linux was supposed to be useful to everyone, not just those who are lucky enough to have access to DSL.
In so far as having all the packages you could ever need on one DVD, that sounds like a great idea, perhaps someone needs to whisper that in the ear of the people at Canonical so that Ubuntu is not shipped as a bare bones install, with an assumed high speed or wireless internet connection.
I also think that it is ridiculous that there is not 64 bit modem support for certain Internal modems under Linux, and the notion of having to run a 64 Bit System with a 32 Bit Operating system in the hope, and that's all it is, hope, that there is a modem driver that will be compatible with the OS.
I thought, perhaps in error that Linux was supposed to be a serious contender to the Windows monopoly. Installing it is easy sure enough, providing you don't need dial up access to the internet, the right display drivers or Ethernet. Hmmmmm.
Glenn.
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The only thing that frustrates me MORE is that not only have the removed dialup, but they've also 'improved it'.
They've made small and quite pointless changes to the dialler program, and taken out options to override things (WHY?!!) so that on some ISP's it's now just about impossible to make a connection.
wvdial used to be nearly bulletproof back when I neded to use it myself (and so is whatever Windows uses), but under ubuntu it just won't work unless your ISP sends just the right prompts in just the right order.
On 24 July 2010 02:10, Glenn Morrissey<gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz> wrote:
Graham wrote:
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 04:46 +1200, Glenn Morrissey wrote:
Just got the word from the people at linmodems that dialup modems are not supported on 64 bit versions of linux. Thats not catastrophic, I can use my Windows laptop to connect to the net and internet share across my home network, until I can get ADSL. Now all I have to do is make my Linux system communicate with my windows laptop. I have manually configured my networking settings on my Linux system, and can ping both ways, but cant get internet sharing up and running. I think the problem is with settings on my windows laptop.
GLENN.
That's not correct, it's true that Ubuntu's support for dialup sux but OpenSUSE has dialup support. Wvdial and KPPP are on the 64 bit 11.3 DVD. (released 15th of this month). Fedora 13 also has dialup packages on the DVD.
Ubuntu's support says for dialup: "go sudo aptget install ..... :( I kid you not, it tells you to install packages from the internet to get an internet connection!
Recently I installed Ubuntu Ultimate Edition because the DVD was supposed to have everything on it and you didn't need to get anything over the internet.... it did have everything... everything, that is, except the stuff required for me to connect to the internet. Luckily I had an OpenSUSE box that I could download the packages with. I finally got it running after staggering through a dependency nightmare but it will still only run under sudo. Thank god my new OpenSUSE 11.3 DVD arrived today.
I've discussed this with Ubuntu people at conferences in the past and pointed out that it would be nice if there was a DVD version with all those sorts of packages on. I was told there was a DVD which I was very happy about until I discovered that all the DVD did was add multiple language support! :(
Something as basic as dialup support should be a given on any install media and it completely mystifies me why the Ubuntu people can't see this.
cheers GL
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Hi Graham
Doesn't it strike you as odd that in order to get on the internet you need to get on the internet to download the packages to get on the internet...? It sure does me. Perhaps the rationale is everyone in this day and age is supposed to have DSL or such so that they don't need to install a dial up modem. Hmmmm, I thought Linux was supposed to be useful to everyone, not just those who are lucky enough to have access to DSL.
In so far as having all the packages you could ever need on one DVD, that sounds like a great idea, perhaps someone needs to whisper that in the ear of the people at Canonical so that Ubuntu is not shipped as a bare bones install, with an assumed high speed or wireless internet connection.
I also think that it is ridiculous that there is not 64 bit modem support for certain Internal modems under Linux, and the notion of having to run a 64 Bit System with a 32 Bit Operating system in the hope, and that's all it is, hope, that there is a modem driver that will be compatible with the OS.
I thought, perhaps in error that Linux was supposed to be a serious contender to the Windows monopoly. Installing it is easy sure enough, providing you don't need dial up access to the internet, the right display drivers or Ethernet. Hmmmmm.
Glenn.
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I hate it when people improve things. They just bugger up something that was perfectly good to begin with... Ive loaded a dhcp server onto my windows laptop, and now trying to figure out how to connect via that to my Linux machine. I think i have it right with Linux, I just have to get the dhcp server to allow certain ports to get access to the internet. I love these all night games.... Glenn.
I hate it when people improve things. They just bugger up something that was perfectly good to begin with... Ive loaded a dhcp server onto my windows laptop, and now trying to figure out how to connect via that to my Linux machine. I think i have it right with Linux, I just have to get the dhcp server to allow certain ports to get access to the internet. I love these all night games....
Glenn.
IIRC under windows you just need to turn on Internet connection sharing under the connection properties. Back in the days of Win98 it used to force the use of link local address for the lan but I believe these days you can set your own subnet You may need to adjust the windows firewall settings too.. it's been a while since I played with it cheers Jodi
On 24 July 2010 10:04, Jodi Thomson <jodi.thomson(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote:
I hate it when people improve things. They just bugger up something that was perfectly good to begin with... Ive loaded a dhcp server onto my windows laptop, and now trying to figure out how to connect via that to my Linux machine. I think i have it right with Linux, I just have to get the dhcp server to allow certain ports to get access to the internet. I love these all night games....
Glenn.
IIRC under windows you just need to turn on Internet connection sharing under the connection properties. Back in the days of Win98 it used to force the use of link local address for the lan but I believe these days you can set your own subnet
You may need to adjust the windows firewall settings too.. it's been a while since I played with it
Under Windows, you simply enable ICS and ann the grimy details are sorted out fir you (LAN interface is given a fixed IP, NAT is enabled, DHCP is enabled with sensible leases) Under Ubuntu You can install Firestarter and choose to share any existing connection, and the same things will also be automagically set up. That's the easy part. Getting a dialup connection working so you can share it is the hard part.
Bruce Kingsbury wrote:
On 24 July 2010 10:04, Jodi Thomson<jodi.thomson(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote:
I hate it when people improve things. They just bugger up something that was perfectly good to begin with... Ive loaded a dhcp server onto my windows laptop, and now trying to figure out how to connect via that to my Linux machine. I think i have it right with Linux, I just have to get the dhcp server to allow certain ports to get access to the internet. I love these all night games....
Glenn.
IIRC under windows you just need to turn on Internet connection sharing under the connection properties. Back in the days of Win98 it used to force the use of link local address for the lan but I believe these days you can set your own subnet
You may need to adjust the windows firewall settings too.. it's been a while since I played with it
Under Windows, you simply enable ICS and ann the grimy details are sorted out fir you (LAN interface is given a fixed IP, NAT is enabled, DHCP is enabled with sensible leases)
Under Ubuntu You can install Firestarter and choose to share any existing connection, and the same things will also be automagically set up. That's the easy part. Getting a dialup connection working so you can share it is the hard part. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
How do you enable DCHP in windows? Ive spent ages trying. I downloaded a free DHCP server, and its telling me that another process is using Port 69 (assuming internet connection sharing). It does open up and give 192.168.0.2 (my Linux box) a lease but I cant get the two to play nice. Glenn.
You don't download anything. In the past (Windows XP) the only thing I've needed to do is tick the box that says "share this connection" and it does everything else. If that's not working for you, the most likely problem is that you're using a third party firewall which blocks the DHCP requests or some similar nonsense. On 24 July 2010 14:50, Glenn Morrissey <gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz> wrote:
Bruce Kingsbury wrote:
On 24 July 2010 10:04, Jodi Thomson<jodi.thomson(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote:
I hate it when people improve things. They just bugger up something that was perfectly good to begin with... Ive loaded a dhcp server onto my windows laptop, and now trying to figure out how to connect via that to my Linux machine. I think i have it right with Linux, I just have to get the dhcp server to allow certain ports to get access to the internet. I love these all night games....
Glenn.
IIRC under windows you just need to turn on Internet connection sharing under the connection properties. Back in the days of Win98 it used to force the use of link local address for the lan but I believe these days you can set your own subnet
You may need to adjust the windows firewall settings too.. it's been a while since I played with it
Under Windows, you simply enable ICS and ann the grimy details are sorted out fir you (LAN interface is given a fixed IP, NAT is enabled, DHCP is enabled with sensible leases)
Under Ubuntu You can install Firestarter and choose to share any existing connection, and the same things will also be automagically set up. That's the easy part. Getting a dialup connection working so you can share it is the hard part. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug
How do you enable DCHP in windows? Ive spent ages trying. I downloaded a free DHCP server, and its telling me that another process is using Port 69 (assuming internet connection sharing). It does open up and give 192.168.0.2 (my Linux box) a lease but I cant get the two to play nice.
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How do you enable DCHP in windows? Ive spent ages trying. I downloaded a free DHCP server, and its telling me that another process is using Port 69 (assuming internet connection sharing). It does open up and give 192.168.0.2 (my Linux box) a lease but I cant get the two to play nice.
Followup; ICS is designed to be quick, easy and idiot-proof. It isn't configurable, and it will override or conflict with any other software or configuration changes that you may have made to provide NAT, DNS or DHCP on the same machine. if you want a DHCP server that you can configure you need to turn off ICS completely and do the entire job by hand, setting up your own static IP, NAT, DNS and DHCP with appropriate leases.
How do you enable DCHP in windows? Ive spent ages trying. I downloaded a free DHCP server, and its telling me that another process is using Port 69 (assuming internet connection sharing). It does open up and give 192.168.0.2 (my Linux box) a lease but I cant get the two to play nice.
If that's working, then you already have a DHCP server installed. You don't need another one.
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 02:10 +1200, Glenn Morrissey wrote:
Graham wrote:
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 04:46 +1200, Glenn Morrissey wrote:
Just got the word from the people at linmodems that dialup modems are not supported on 64 bit versions of linux. Thats not catastrophic, I can use my Windows laptop to connect to the net and internet share across my home network, until I can get ADSL. Now all I have to do is make my Linux system communicate with my windows laptop. I have manually configured my networking settings on my Linux system, and can ping both ways, but cant get internet sharing up and running. I think the problem is with settings on my windows laptop.
GLENN.
That's not correct, it's true that Ubuntu's support for dialup sux but OpenSUSE has dialup support. Wvdial and KPPP are on the 64 bit 11.3 DVD. (released 15th of this month). Fedora 13 also has dialup packages on the DVD.
Ubuntu's support says for dialup: "go sudo aptget install ..... :( I kid you not, it tells you to install packages from the internet to get an internet connection!
Recently I installed Ubuntu Ultimate Edition because the DVD was supposed to have everything on it and you didn't need to get anything over the internet.... it did have everything... everything, that is, except the stuff required for me to connect to the internet. Luckily I had an OpenSUSE box that I could download the packages with. I finally got it running after staggering through a dependency nightmare but it will still only run under sudo. Thank god my new OpenSUSE 11.3 DVD arrived today.
I've discussed this with Ubuntu people at conferences in the past and pointed out that it would be nice if there was a DVD version with all those sorts of packages on. I was told there was a DVD which I was very happy about until I discovered that all the DVD did was add multiple language support! :(
Something as basic as dialup support should be a given on any install media and it completely mystifies me why the Ubuntu people can't see this.
cheers GL
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Hi Graham
Doesn't it strike you as odd that in order to get on the internet you need to get on the internet to download the packages to get on the internet...? It sure does me.
That's point I was making, the irony however seems to be lost on Ubuntu/Canonical
Perhaps the rationale is everyone in this day and age is supposed to have DSL or such so that they don't need to install a dial up modem. Hmmmm, I thought Linux was supposed to be useful to everyone, not just those who are lucky enough to have access to DSL.
In so far as having all the packages you could ever need on one DVD, that sounds like a great idea, perhaps someone needs to whisper that in the ear of the people at Canonical so that Ubuntu is not shipped as a bare bones install, with an assumed high speed or wireless internet connection.
It is one of the reasons I like OpenSuSE, you can do an install with lots of options just off the DVD and in fact the 11.2 DVD came on a double sided DVD with 32 bit on one side and 64 bit on the other
I also think that it is ridiculous that there is not 64 bit modem support for certain Internal modems under Linux, and the notion of having to run a 64 Bit System with a 32 Bit Operating system in the hope, and that's all it is, hope, that there is a modem driver that will be compatible with the OS.
As I said, there is support under some distros, mainly the KDE ones like SUSE because KDE has a really good pppd interface
I thought, perhaps in error that Linux was supposed to be a serious contender to the Windows monopoly. Installing it is easy sure enough, providing you don't need dial up access to the internet, the right display drivers or Ethernet. Hmmmmm.
Unfortunately you're tarring all linux distributions because of Ubuntu's lack. Linux DOES have modem support it's just that Ubuntu sees fit to distribute without it. OpenSUSE on the other hand DOES ship with dialup support which is trivial to set up on an external serial modem. I have two D-Link DFM-562E external modems and they work perfectly satisfactorily
Glenn.
Cheers GL
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On Sunday 25 Jul 2010 03:16:21 Graham wrote:
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 02:10 +1200, Glenn Morrissey wrote:
I thought, perhaps in error that Linux was supposed to be a serious contender to the Windows monopoly. Installing it is easy sure enough, providing you don't need dial up access to the internet, the right display drivers or Ethernet. Hmmmmm.
I dumped the Ubuntu in favour of the OpenSUSE 11.3 64 bit today. It figured out I had a modem during install and installed wvdial and qinternet. Modem was listed in network devices and I was on the net within two minutes of the install finishing. Trivial. Even easier than windows because I didn't have to install modem drivers. Sweet ! GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz
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