Martin Eve, who works at Crossref, which manages the DOI system which tries to offer permanent online links to scientific publications and other digital documents, decided to do a survey of those links, to see how many of them would still actually resolve. The results were less than reassuring <https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/study-finds-that-we-could-lose-science-if-publishers-go-bankrupt/>. If/when a publisher goes bankrupt, what happens to their online archives? Do researchers who submit papers keep backup copies of their papers?
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 09:48:57AM +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
If/when a publisher goes bankrupt, what happens to their online archives? Do researchers who submit papers keep backup copies of their papers?
That is a really good question. It used be libraries who would hold copies and preserve them, but libraries have abdicated on this role. At least Waikato Uni maintains a research commons that holds papers and theses published by its academics and graduate students, but it is limited to holding only that which is permitted by copyright law, which is often only the preprint, and then, that depends on the academic uploading that version to the commons. Cheers Michael.
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:33:51 +1300, Michael Cree wrote:
At least Waikato Uni maintains a research commons that holds papers and theses published by its academics and graduate students, but it is limited to holding only that which is permitted by copyright law, which is often only the preprint, and then, that depends on the academic uploading that version to the commons.
These are the papers that were funded out of the research grant, peer-reviewed by other researchers on their own time, and yet get copyrighted by the publishers?
On 10/03/24 12:10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:33:51 +1300, Michael Cree wrote:
At least Waikato Uni maintains a research commons that holds papers and theses published by its academics and graduate students, but it is limited to holding only that which is permitted by copyright law, which is often only the preprint, and then, that depends on the academic uploading that version to the commons.
These are the papers that were funded out of the research grant, peer-reviewed by other researchers on their own time, and yet get copyrighted by the publishers?
More or less, yes. Except the peer reviewing is usually not on researchers own time if they are employed by a research organisation. UoA has a "service" category in their academic job descriptions that covers this. I assume other Uni's have similar.
On 10/03/24 15:24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 14:29:43 +1300, Glenn Ramsey wrote:
Except the peer reviewing is usually not on researchers own time if they are employed by a research organisation.
But not paid for by the publishers, who still get the copyright?
I think so. Although you wonder what they are actually copyrighting because many of them will allow you privately distribute preprints, i.e. renderings of the work produced by yourself. Maybe this was a concession due to the above being pointed out?
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 08:30:38 +1300, Glenn Ramsey wrote:
On 10/03/24 15:24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 14:29:43 +1300, Glenn Ramsey wrote:
Except the peer reviewing is usually not on researchers own time if they are employed by a research organisation.
But not paid for by the publishers, who still get the copyright?
I think so.
Although you wonder what they are actually copyrighting because many of them will allow you privately distribute preprints, i.e. renderings of the work produced by yourself. Maybe this was a concession due to the above being pointed out?
An unofficial one, at best--something they can deny if they ever see it getting out of hand. This is why you have “open access” publications now. Also less likely for the only copy of something to be lost if the copyright owner goes out of business.
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