Thanks for the help Craig, very tempting to go home and try it now, but will have to wait until this evening. I knew that there was more than one way to skin the cat, but couldn't figure out how to integrate the help from the various pages/wikis. What are you experts partial to? Would ice cream persuade you to come along and help? I originally proposed next weekend for an installation day. I think this is too soon now, and I would like to get more experience before such a day. Can the experts please email me privately with a day/evening that is convenient, between now and end of November. I envisage a sat/sun with expert help for a few hours in the morning, and the experimenters can carry on through the day. Or the experimenters can start in the morning and experts turn up for lunch and solve all the problems in the afternoon. Location: my place in Ham East. Content: limited to free to air TV reception Bribery: Ice cream and other food and drink Date to be announced. Expressions of interest from experimenters would be helpful too please.