Hi All, While browsing through some computer sale sight I came across this: http://www.taurangacomputers.co.nz/high_end_celeron.htm So you can "downgrade" away from windows vista and get a cash discount :-) I wonder how many other stores offer this. Most of the sales people I have spoken with are not willing to refund the cost of preinstalled windows or sell without the o/s. Regards John.