From a brief poke around the /proc/ fs, it's clear the machines are easily capable of running something far more up to date. I would really
I was discussing the use of Linux at uni today. One of the main points I was asked to defend was essentially; "Why does Linux sucks so much?" This persons experience with Linux had pretty much centred round the R block, and G basement computers at uni - and I can't say I disagree with her. As far as I can make out, those computers are running some ancient version of Slackware (I think?) with GNOME 1.4, and KDE2. Most of the other WMs seem to be broken. Fonts are abysmal, and the default browser is Netscape 4. The CDRom/fstab is only correctly setup on some of the machines. Frankly, it's embarrassing. While I can understand that the uni staff don't exactly have time to be reinstalling Linux every six months, and that stability is very important, this is the same config that I was using when I attempted second year for the first time back in 2001. like to see something along the lines of GNOME 2.X, KDE3, a fairly recent version of say Mozilla, Galeon, or Konqueror, and for the love of god, decent fonts. Given the varsity centric nature of the WLUG, I'm hoping someone can tell me why the Linux machines are in such as sad state. Do the admins not care? Or have they simply forgotten what's running there. Regards Edward
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 08:31:01PM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote:
I was discussing the use of Linux at uni today. One of the main points I was asked to defend was essentially; "Why does Linux sucks so much?"
This persons experience with Linux had pretty much centred round the R block, and G basement computers at uni - and I can't say I disagree with her. As far as I can make out, those computers are running some ancient version of Slackware (I think?) with GNOME 1.4, and KDE2. Most of the other WMs seem to be broken. Fonts are abysmal, and the default browser is Netscape 4. The CDRom/fstab is only correctly setup on some of the machines.
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From a brief poke around the /proc/ fs, it's clear the machines are easily capable of running something far more up to date. I would really like to see something along the lines of GNOME 2.X, KDE3, a fairly recent version of say Mozilla, Galeon, or Konqueror, and for the love of god, decent fonts.
Given the varsity centric nature of the WLUG, I'm hoping someone can tell me why the Linux machines are in such as sad state. Do the admins not care? Or have they simply forgotten what's running there.
I'm a grad student, so what I know about the undergrad machines may be wrong. But here goes. The comp-sci tech support run most of the computers in the department (and in the school). The linux machines run slackware 8. slackware 8 includes gnome 1.4 and kde2, like most distributions that are over a year old. The linux machines in my research lab are also run by tech support, although I guess most of us are smart enough to customise and install our own stuff if we want. The wand group admin their own machines, which is where most of "the uni wlug people" are, I guess. I don't really know how reasonable it is to expect the machines to all be upgraded every time a new distribution release comes out - we still have windows machines that run win2000 and maybe even a few nt 4 boxes around. Having said that, the machines (well, at least the ones in my lab run by tech support) have mozilla 1.4 installed in /opt. Having said that, it would be nice to have gnome2 at uni like I use at home, but it's not really a big deal I guess. As long as I can get my "work" done, it shouldn't really matter. I guess part of it is that the software in linux distributions is updated at a much faster pace than releases of windows. John McPherson
Edward Murrell wrote:
From a brief poke around the /proc/ fs, it's clear the machines are easily capable of running something far more up to date. I would really like to see something along the lines of GNOME 2.X, KDE3, a fairly recent version of say Mozilla, Galeon, or Konqueror, and for the love of god, decent fonts.
Given the varsity centric nature of the WLUG, I'm hoping someone can tell me why the Linux machines are in such as sad state. Do the admins not care? Or have they simply forgotten what's running there.
There is no need to upgrade the machines. TSG are paid to maintain an environment in which courses can be taught. Forgetting the fact that the user interface sucks for a minute, they are doing their job. When it comes around to upgrading the state of the machines, which is a significantly large task likely not to happen until the end if the year, hopefully you might see some pretty things happening. James
Since these are slackware, why don't you point out to those responsible the swaret software. Install the package, set the options to current, and issue a command like swaret --upgrade enjoy the updates. Even sorts out deps. (although my gnumeric upgrade required me to reissues the --deps command to fix a missed package) Think of it as an updated apt-get for Slackware. On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 08:54 PM, James Spooner wrote:
Get swaret
When it comes around to upgrading the state of the machines, which is a significantly large task likely not to happen until the end if the year, hopefully you might see some pretty things happening.
James
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On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 08:31:01PM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote:
I was discussing the use of Linux at uni today. One of the main points I was asked to defend was essentially; "Why does Linux sucks so much?"
This persons experience with Linux had pretty much centred round the R block, and G basement computers at uni - and I can't say I disagree with her. As far as I can make out, those computers are running some ancient version of Slackware (I think?) with GNOME 1.4, and KDE2. Most of the other WMs seem to be broken. Fonts are abysmal, and the default browser is Netscape 4. The CDRom/fstab is only correctly setup on some of the machines.
Frankly, it's embarrassing. While I can understand that the uni staff don't exactly have time to be reinstalling Linux every six months, and that stability is very important, this is the same config that I was using when I attempted second year for the first time back in 2001.
From a brief poke around the /proc/ fs, it's clear the machines are easily capable of running something far more up to date. I would really like to see something along the lines of GNOME 2.X, KDE3, a fairly recent version of say Mozilla, Galeon, or Konqueror, and for the love of god, decent fonts.
Given the varsity centric nature of the WLUG, I'm hoping someone can tell me why the Linux machines are in such as sad state. Do the admins not care? Or have they simply forgotten what's running there.
Regards Edward
Do the people raising these issues have student home directories? Do they browse the web using their student account? Do they print to charged print queues? Do they ever use www.waikato.ac.nz? Or igate? Do they use University mailing lists? There are a myriad of other services running solely on Linux, of course.. these are just the ones that I can think of right now. Then again, you're probably talking about SCMS lab PCs, which I've never seen, and SCMS don't use a bunch of our services anyway. -k.
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