Presentation at Hamilton Council 10 Year Plan Hearing
Hi Folks, Just to let you know that I delivered my 5 minutes of Open Source to Hamilton City Council. Rob, Peter, Kyle, Noel and Bruce; many thanks for your e-mails with hints/comments on the presenting. My 20 x hand-out's included my home made copies of ubuntu 12.04 desktop i386. I did investigate Peters suggestion of handing out the Ubuntu "business re-mix", but decided against it on the grounds of having to agree to some EULA's before downloading didn't make it suitable. I parallel the handing out of home made Open Source CD's somewhat like... going along to Council to promote a new type of muffins, and in doing so I bring along a batch of muffins that I've baked at home. The Councillors are welcome to eat the muffins themselves, or take them home and give them to their kids. At the end of my presentation I got in a plug for Peters submission #365. This was somewhat like stating, that Peter has supplied the recipe for the muffin's, and Council can get their chief cook to investigate Peters recipe in more depth to see if the Council want to get into making muffins. So I don't think it mattered that my CD's had a "home made" look about them. The goal of my submission was: "To have included in the Hamilton 2012-22 10-year Plan: Reduce the costs of Hamilton City Council's Information Technology, through the implementation of Open Source Software." On May 29-30 Council will decide on the submissions, and on June 29 the final plan will be adopted. So we will have to wait and see if Open Source gets its foot in the door this time round. cheers, Ian. PS: One Councillor asked me if he'd be able to use the ubuntu 12.04 i386 desktop CD on his Mac. I told him that I was not knowledgeable on Mac's and I'd get back to him. I see there's this... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation ...on installing ubuntu on Mac's that use intel chipset. I'm not sure if I'd like to recommend he gives this a go unless he's 100% sure his Mac has no data on it. Maybe I'll suggest he comes along to a wlug Saturday workshop and hopefully someone is there that's done this sort of thing on Mac's. cheers, Ian.
Well done, Ian. Let's hope that they find your muffins yummy! Cheers, Peter On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Ian Stewart <ianstewart56(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Just to let you know that I delivered my 5 minutes of Open Source to Hamilton City Council.
Rob, Peter, Kyle, Noel and Bruce; many thanks for your e-mails with hints/comments on the presenting.
My 20 x hand-out's included my home made copies of ubuntu 12.04 desktop i386. I did investigate Peters suggestion of handing out the Ubuntu "business re-mix", but decided against it on the grounds of having to agree to some EULA's before downloading didn't make it suitable.
I parallel the handing out of home made Open Source CD's somewhat like... going along to Council to promote a new type of muffins, and in doing so I bring along a batch of muffins that I've baked at home. The Councillors are welcome to eat the muffins themselves, or take them home and give them to their kids. At the end of my presentation I got in a plug for Peters submission #365. This was somewhat like stating, that Peter has supplied the recipe for the muffin's, and Council can get their chief cook to investigate Peters recipe in more depth to see if the Council want to get into making muffins.
So I don't think it mattered that my CD's had a "home made" look about them.
The goal of my submission was: "To have included in the Hamilton 2012-22 10-year Plan: Reduce the costs of Hamilton City Council's Information Technology, through the implementation of Open Source Software."
On May 29-30 Council will decide on the submissions, and on June 29 the final plan will be adopted. So we will have to wait and see if Open Source gets its foot in the door this time round.
cheers, Ian.
PS: One Councillor asked me if he'd be able to use the ubuntu 12.04 i386 desktop CD on his Mac. I told him that I was not knowledgeable on Mac's and I'd get back to him. I see there's this...
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
...on installing ubuntu on Mac's that use intel chipset. I'm not sure if I'd like to recommend he gives this a go unless he's 100% sure his Mac has no data on it. Maybe I'll suggest he comes along to a wlug Saturday workshop and hopefully someone is there that's done this sort of thing on Mac's.
cheers, Ian.
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On 17/05/12 15:56, Ian Stewart wrote:
Hi Folks,
Just to let you know that I delivered my 5 minutes of Open Source to Hamilton City Council.
Rob, Peter, Kyle, Noel and Bruce; many thanks for your e-mails with hints/comments on the presenting.
My 20 x hand-out's included my home made copies of ubuntu 12.04 desktop i386. I did investigate Peters suggestion of handing out the Ubuntu "business re-mix", but decided against it on the grounds of having to agree to some EULA's before downloading didn't make it suitable.
I parallel the handing out of home made Open Source CD's somewhat like... going along to Council to promote a new type of muffins, and in doing so I bring along a batch of muffins that I've baked at home. The Councillors are welcome to eat the muffins themselves, or take them home and give them to their kids. At the end of my presentation I got in a plug for Peters submission #365. This was somewhat like stating, that Peter has supplied the recipe for the muffin's, and Council can get their chief cook to investigate Peters recipe in more depth to see if the Council want to get into making muffins.
So I don't think it mattered that my CD's had a "home made" look about them.
The goal of my submission was: "To have included in the Hamilton 2012-22 10-year Plan: Reduce the costs of Hamilton City Council's Information Technology, through the implementation of Open Source Software."
On May 29-30 Council will decide on the submissions, and on June 29 the final plan will be adopted. So we will have to wait and see if Open Source gets its foot in the door this time round.
cheers, Ian.
PS: One Councillor asked me if he'd be able to use the ubuntu 12.04 i386 desktop CD on his Mac. I told him that I was not knowledgeable on Mac's and I'd get back to him. I see there's this...
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
...on installing ubuntu on Mac's that use intel chipset. I'm not sure if I'd like to recommend he gives this a go unless he's 100% sure his Mac has no data on it. Maybe I'll suggest he comes along to a wlug Saturday workshop and hopefully someone is there that's done this sort of thing on Mac's.
cheers, Ian.
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Could you offer him a Flash-drive version - to run without installing? Rod
Hey Ian, apparently you can burn the ISO to USB and boot off that if he wants to try it on the mac. He just holds the "Option" key down on boot and chooses the USB. He'd be better with a 64-bit ISO if he has a newer mac though. I'll double-check if 12.04 works nicely today. -- *Cheers... David Nicholls* Science & Engineering Computer Support xtn *4586* or 5006, mail: *davidn* or science_csg*@waikato.ac.nz* On 17 May 2012 17:42, Roderick Aldridge <rod-a(a)hnpl.net> wrote:
On 17/05/12 15:56, Ian Stewart wrote:
PS: One Councillor asked me if he'd be able to use the ubuntu 12.04 i386 desktop CD on his Mac. I told him that I was not knowledgeable on Mac's and I'd get back to him. I see there's this...
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
...on installing ubuntu on Mac's that use intel chipset. I'm not sure if I'd like to recommend he gives this a go unless he's 100% sure his Mac has no data on it. Maybe I'll suggest he comes along to a wlug Saturday workshop and hopefully someone is there that's done this sort of thing on Mac's.
Hi Folks, thanks for your feedback on Mac's and running ubuntu 12.04 on them. I did some researching last night and my conclusions are as follows: (Note: I ignored Apple hardware prior to 1996 on the basis their CPU's are probably too slow and they are not likely to have enough RAM. ) Apple used the PowerPC CPU's from 1996 to 2006. Since then Apple have used Intel x86-32 CPU's and more recently the x86-64. There seems to be three Mac Desktop products available from ubuntu... Product #1: Download site: From the nz mirror http://mirror.ihug.co.nz/ubuntu-releases/12.04/ Download File Name: ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso Desrciption: PC (Intel x86) desktop CD. For almost all PCs. This includes most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows, as well as newer Apple Macintosh systems based on Intel processors. Product #2: Download Site: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ Download File name: ubuntu-12.04-desktop-powerpc.iso Description: Mac (PowerPC) and IBM-PPC (POWER5) desktop CD. For Apple Macintosh G3, G4, and G5 computers, including iBooks and PowerBooks as well as IBM OpenPower machines. Product #3: Download site: Download Site: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ Download File name: ubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64+mac.iso Description: 64-bit Mac (AMD64) desktop CD Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the Intel x86 images instead. This image is adjusted to work properly on Mac systems. Last week I gave the Councillor's the i386 desktop iso as a CD, so that should work OK if he has a newer Mac. Today I dropped him off a CD of the PowerPC iso and the amd64+mac iso. So I figure I've got all the Mac bases covered! cheers, Ian.
Hey Ian, apparently you can burn the ISO to USB and boot off that if he wants to try it on the mac. He just holds the "Option" key down on boot and chooses the USB. He'd be better with a 64-bit ISO if he has a newer mac though.
David, thanks. I did see that I could make a bootable USB release, but thought it was easier just to take the Councillor a CD that I've burnt. I figured that if he's not actually the person with the Mac, then he can give the CD to whoever has the Mac to try it out.
I'd just assume that very few people (other than geeks and beneficiaries) will still be using 5+ year old hardware. Chances are they'll have an intel based mac. On 21 May 2012 16:19, Ian Stewart <ianstewart56(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Folks, thanks for your feedback on Mac's and running ubuntu 12.04 on them. I did some researching last night and my conclusions are as follows:
(Note: I ignored Apple hardware prior to 1996 on the basis their CPU's are probably too slow and they are not likely to have enough RAM. )
Apple used the PowerPC CPU's from 1996 to 2006. Since then Apple have used Intel x86-32 CPU's and more recently the x86-64. There seems to be three Mac Desktop products available from ubuntu...
Product #1: Download site: From the nz mirror http://mirror.ihug.co.nz/ubuntu-releases/12.04/ Download File Name: ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso Desrciption: PC (Intel x86) desktop CD. For almost all PCs. This includes most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows, as well as newer Apple Macintosh systems based on Intel processors.
Product #2: Download Site: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ Download File name: ubuntu-12.04-desktop-powerpc.iso Description: Mac (PowerPC) and IBM-PPC (POWER5) desktop CD. For Apple Macintosh G3, G4, and G5 computers, including iBooks and PowerBooks as well as IBM OpenPower machines.
Product #3: Download site: Download Site: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ Download File name: ubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64+mac.iso Description: 64-bit Mac (AMD64) desktop CD Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the Intel x86 images instead. This image is adjusted to work properly on Mac systems.
Last week I gave the Councillor's the i386 desktop iso as a CD, so that should work OK if he has a newer Mac. Today I dropped him off a CD of the PowerPC iso and the amd64+mac iso. So I figure I've got all the Mac bases covered!
cheers, Ian.
Hey Ian, apparently you can burn the ISO to USB and boot off that if he wants to try it on the mac. He just holds the "Option" key down on boot and chooses the USB. He'd be better with a 64-bit ISO if he has a newer mac though.
David, thanks. I did see that I could make a bootable USB release, but thought it was easier just to take the Councillor a CD that I've burnt. I figured that if he's not actually the person with the Mac, then he can give the CD to whoever has the Mac to try it out.
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I forgot to say - well done! It should at least make them think. Rod On 17/05/12 15:56, Ian Stewart wrote:
Hi Folks,
Just to let you know that I delivered my 5 minutes of Open Source to Hamilton City Council.
Rob, Peter, Kyle, Noel and Bruce; many thanks for your e-mails with hints/comments on the presenting.
My 20 x hand-out's included my home made copies of ubuntu 12.04 desktop i386. I did investigate Peters suggestion of handing out the Ubuntu "business re-mix", but decided against it on the grounds of having to agree to some EULA's before downloading didn't make it suitable.
I parallel the handing out of home made Open Source CD's somewhat like... going along to Council to promote a new type of muffins, and in doing so I bring along a batch of muffins that I've baked at home. The Councillors are welcome to eat the muffins themselves, or take them home and give them to their kids. At the end of my presentation I got in a plug for Peters submission #365. This was somewhat like stating, that Peter has supplied the recipe for the muffin's, and Council can get their chief cook to investigate Peters recipe in more depth to see if the Council want to get into making muffins.
So I don't think it mattered that my CD's had a "home made" look about them.
The goal of my submission was: "To have included in the Hamilton 2012-22 10-year Plan: Reduce the costs of Hamilton City Council's Information Technology, through the implementation of Open Source Software."
On May 29-30 Council will decide on the submissions, and on June 29 the final plan will be adopted. So we will have to wait and see if Open Source gets its foot in the door this time round.
cheers, Ian.
PS: One Councillor asked me if he'd be able to use the ubuntu 12.04 i386 desktop CD on his Mac. I told him that I was not knowledgeable on Mac's and I'd get back to him. I see there's this...
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
...on installing ubuntu on Mac's that use intel chipset. I'm not sure if I'd like to recommend he gives this a go unless he's 100% sure his Mac has no data on it. Maybe I'll suggest he comes along to a wlug Saturday workshop and hopefully someone is there that's done this sort of thing on Mac's.
cheers, Ian.
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On 17 May 2012 15:56, Ian Stewart <ianstewart56(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
PS: One Councillor asked me if he'd be able to use the ubuntu 12.04 i386 desktop CD on his Mac. I told him that I was not knowledgeable on Mac's and I'd get back to him. I see there's this... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
VirtualBox works well on Macs. Create a virtual machine and you're away. Haven't tried Linux, but I did set up Windows 8 on one Mac. It works well on other computers too! Michael
participants (6)
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Bruce Kingsbury -
David Nicholls -
Ian Stewart -
Michael McDonald -
Peter Reutemann -
Roderick Aldridge