The only thing that frustrates me MORE is that not only have the removed dialup, but they've also 'improved it'. They've made small and quite pointless changes to the dialler program, and taken out options to override things (WHY?!!) so that on some ISP's it's now just about impossible to make a connection. wvdial used to be nearly bulletproof back when I neded to use it myself (and so is whatever Windows uses), but under ubuntu it just won't work unless your ISP sends just the right prompts in just the right order. On 24 July 2010 02:10, Glenn Morrissey <gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz> wrote:
Graham wrote:
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 04:46 +1200, Glenn Morrissey wrote:
Just got the word from the people at linmodems that dialup modems are not supported on 64 bit versions of linux. Thats not catastrophic, I can use my Windows laptop to connect to the net and internet share across my home network, until I can get ADSL. Now all I have to do is make my Linux system communicate with my windows laptop. I have manually configured my networking settings on my Linux system, and can ping both ways, but cant get internet sharing up and running. I think the problem is with settings on my windows laptop.
GLENN.
That's not correct, it's true that Ubuntu's support for dialup sux but OpenSUSE has dialup support. Wvdial and KPPP are on the 64 bit 11.3 DVD. (released 15th of this month). Fedora 13 also has dialup packages on the DVD.
Ubuntu's support says for dialup: "go sudo aptget install ..... :( I kid you not, it tells you to install packages from the internet to get an internet connection!
Recently I installed Ubuntu Ultimate Edition because the DVD was supposed to have everything on it and you didn't need to get anything over the internet.... it did have everything... everything, that is, except the stuff required for me to connect to the internet. Luckily I had an OpenSUSE box that I could download the packages with. I finally got it running after staggering through a dependency nightmare but it will still only run under sudo. Thank god my new OpenSUSE 11.3 DVD arrived today.
I've discussed this with Ubuntu people at conferences in the past and pointed out that it would be nice if there was a DVD version with all those sorts of packages on. I was told there was a DVD which I was very happy about until I discovered that all the DVD did was add multiple language support! :(
Something as basic as dialup support should be a given on any install media and it completely mystifies me why the Ubuntu people can't see this.
cheers GL
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Hi Graham
Doesn't it strike you as odd that in order to get on the internet you need to get on the internet to download the packages to get on the internet...? It sure does me. Perhaps the rationale is everyone in this day and age is supposed to have DSL or such so that they don't need to install a dial up modem. Hmmmm, I thought Linux was supposed to be useful to everyone, not just those who are lucky enough to have access to DSL.
In so far as having all the packages you could ever need on one DVD, that sounds like a great idea, perhaps someone needs to whisper that in the ear of the people at Canonical so that Ubuntu is not shipped as a bare bones install, with an assumed high speed or wireless internet connection.
I also think that it is ridiculous that there is not 64 bit modem support for certain Internal modems under Linux, and the notion of having to run a 64 Bit System with a 32 Bit Operating system in the hope, and that's all it is, hope, that there is a modem driver that will be compatible with the OS.
I thought, perhaps in error that Linux was supposed to be a serious contender to the Windows monopoly. Installing it is easy sure enough, providing you don't need dial up access to the internet, the right display drivers or Ethernet. Hmmmmm.
Glenn.
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