OK. Some interesting points being raised. Keep 'em coming. BUT. Please quit with the "MickeySoft" and micro$oft. We are a group who lists advocacy as one of its goals. Good advocates do not descend to name calling. I don't like Microsoft one little bit. I consider most of their software to be, at best, underachieving, and at worst, quite brain dead. I do however use and support it on a daily basis. I'm using it right now, for reasons I don't care to elaborate on. This is my opinion, and I will state it when asked. What I will NOT do, and do not like seeing on a public mailing list, is childish name calling. A business that wishes to be taken seriously does not indulge in public name calling of its competitors, and nor, I believe, should we. Lead by example. No one will listen to the guy who still thinks calling Microsoft "mickeysoft" is funny. If we wish to remain the sad geek culture we are often perceived as, then by all means, lets keep that up. If we wish to advocate GNU/Linux to the "mainstream", then quit with the insults, and carry on showing just what superior tools we do have at our disposal. OK, back to the distro plugging. Greig.