My 0.000001 cents worth. /begin rant/ I think somewhere along the way the whole linux community lost the plot. Back in the good old days you could get a decent linux system running on a 386 with 8megs of RAM and 250MB of HDD. Now it seems you need the latest and greatest windows type hardware specs to just install!!!! Now onto debian. I like the fact that debian is holding back on the idea of jumping forward and not trying to be one step ahead of mickysoft. What this does is allows you make a fairly good system with what ever you have lying around, i.e. 286, 386 & 486 type systems. Why does a simple file server / gateway / mail / nntp / print server need to have high hardware specs?? when you can put an OS on that does not need it. People need to drop the "update and upgrade for the sake of it" attitude, and like me, brake away from the GUI dependency. In fact, I would like to challenge the Fedora team to make a distro that would work on the specs I have mentioned above as THAT WOULD be a kick in the pants for mickysoft <grin>. /end rant/