Further to the list conversations about Wireguard and FreeBSD, it looks like things have become much, much worse. Conversation between Jason Donenfeld (Wireguard) and Scott Long (Netgate) below - ew. As LDO mentioned, Netgate don't seem to be particularly friendly members of the open source community :-/ E -------------------------------------------- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es ----- Original message ----- From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason(a)zx2c4.com> To: wireguard(a)lists.zx2c4.com, Scott Long <scottl(a)netgate.com> Cc: secteam(a)FreeBSD.org, cperciva(a)FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] WireGuard for FreeBSD in development for 13.y – and a note of how we got here Date: Tuesday, 16 March 2021 14:18 Hi Scott, It's certainly disappointing to receive your email like that. I see that you're really upset, and I think we have a shared interest in deescalating this. You've mentioned the desire to talk about this in public, so I'm responding in the announcement thread to you, as this seems like the appropriate venue for discussion. I've also CC'd the FreeBSD Security Officer. I've responded to your email and its threats in line mailing-list style below: On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:08 PM Scott Long <scottl(a)netgate.com> wrote:
What you and Kyle did was tell the world that there are a number of zero-day exploits in the code. You gave us no details until after the fact, gave us no time to mitigate, correct, and publish before your announcement and Kyle's code drop, and used the opportunity to bash the code, and by extension us, for your own self-gain.
I have no idea how you possibly have arrived at this here. FreeBSD 13 is currently at RC2 or RC3, if I recall correctly. Our whole motivation for working on this so tirelessly and with so much energy and devotion over the week was to get things fixed up before 13 was actually released. I dropped everything else I was working on to focus on this. I'm actually with my folks in Colorado and should be spending more time with them but the idea of FreeBSD 13 shipping with all those bugs seemed like a really important thing to address. Here's what we did, step by step: 1. We made a clone of the freebsd git repo where we could all push changes to master, to git.zx2c4.com like everything else. 2. We took turns taking big passes at the codebase, reading it, auditing it, fixing things. We did a lot of syncing and comparison with the OpenBSD code base. For example, in one step, we reordered the functions to match the flow of OpenBSD so we could see it more easily side by side. 3. We kept pushing commits like this in that manner. 4. We didn't know where we'd end up, but after a few days of this, the number of changes we had accumulated and fishy business we had observed was massive. 5. When we thought we reached a good resting point -- and when it became clear that our rapid fire changes were becoming too numerous -- we squashed that down to a summary commit, and Kyle committed it. 6. Seeing that the crypto needed to be re-accelerated, I published a call for help here -- https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2021-March/057076.html 7. I published wireguard-tools with the improved wg(8) command here -- https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2021-March/006493.html 8. I sent a summary of everything to the mailing list here -- https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2021-March/006494.html I also made sure to email a FreeBSD Security Officer, Colin, to keep him posted about the state of this, so he was kept apprised. Again, the whole idea was: two weeks until release! If I suggest the code is just disabled, people will be really upset, so instead we'll try to fix as much as fast as possible before the release. And actually, really focused sprints like that are fun and stimulating. We were all really enjoying writing code until the torrents of anger started coming from you about our efforts. (And I also learned that this isn't the first time you guys tried to intimidate an open source project -- see this summary of the opnSense defamatory website Netgate created -- https://opnsense.org/opnsense-com/ .) And in the process, too, I've tried to be in contact with you and Jim and let you know what our intentions are and to diffuse tensions. I spent time on a video call trying to describe to you some of the security things we found, in case it wasn't possible for you to use the new code right away. I've also made it abundantly clear to you how much I want to work WITH Netgate. When that Reddit thread cropped up, I offered to you multiple times to send a message to it telling people that we've spoken and it looks like you have a good plan and every things going to be okay, but you didn't respond to my offer. On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:08 PM Scott Long <scottl(a)netgate.com> wrote:
None of these actions reflect good-faith collaboration, and your statements that you think that our work is "really cool" ring hollow. Maybe you and Kyle are really naive and thought that this was how people normally collaborate in the security and business worlds, and that everyone would rush to praise you and shower you with contracts and funding. And hey, maybe that’ll happen, you certainly have made a splash. That of course, comes at our expense, and it’s likely to be a pretty damaging one. Now with the Ars article, I’m starting to wonder if this was a coordinated smear campaign. Normally we don’t get this kind of attention. It’s going to be painful to navigate our way out.
I'm not sure how to address these types of... theories. I certainly AM acting in good faith. I can't possibly see how it benefits anybody to have WireGuard and Netgate at odds with one another. You guys make a neat product based on open source software, and I think it's great you're planning to add WireGuard to it. My interest is in making sure the underlying operating system -- FreeBSD 13 -- does that well. (Or, I think you mentioned to me this morning that you're actually planning to base it on FreeBSD 12 for some time, but same idea for the backport you're working on, I guess.) And there's no "smear campaign" -- that's outrageous. I have no idea how that would help anybody at all. I should point out, again to you, how grateful I am that Netgate got the initial work on this started. Had you guys not gotten if_wg rolling, it's not clear to me that it'd exist in the first place.
From your end, it's very disappointing that you're (below) planning to attack security researchers and kernel programmers who took the time to rewrite code to make it better, hustling to get it in before FreeBSD 13 is released.
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:08 PM Scott Long <scottl(a)netgate.com> wrote:
I’ll be writing an article tonight outlining the mistakes that we made and what we will be doing to correct it. I’ll also be highlighting that this incident has been a textbook example of the wrong way for people to collaborate in the security community, and that extreme caution should be taken in any future dealings with you. Your actions are self serving and in bad faith, and your words are hollow and untrustworthy. I don’t care if you disagree or don’t see it this way, this is the effect that you’ve had.
It makes sense to communicate with your customers about things with your upcoming products if you feel it's necessary. But threatening that you're going to highlight "that extreme caution should be taken in any future dealings with you" sounds to me like a threat of some intense slander. And again, attacking security researchers and kernel programmers who took time to rewrite code to make it better before a release deadline... That's ...wow. I wish you would not go on the attack like that. Instead, it seems like we can both be glad that we're on the path to having better code! And that there's a team of people volunteering to do this and enjoying writing that code. We're all working together to make things better. We worked really super hard on fixing up this code base. It was a LOT of work. And I would like to keep working on it and feeling good about it. So I'm just disappointed that somehow this has devolved for you into making threats like that. On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:08 PM Scott Long <scottl(a)netgate.com> wrote:
I’ve also spoken with the FreeBSD Security Officer, and we’ve agreed that wireguard will be removed from all branches of FreeBSD until further notice. I’ve also informed Kyle of this. I do not support its reintroduction into FreeBSD, whether in the src tree or in the ports tree, at this time. As for pfSense, we are conducting an audit and will decide on the best course of action for our customers and our company.
I actually think that's a great idea. I was under the impression initially that removing it would be a total non-starter and would just make people upset, hence this hurried mad dash to turn things around. But having an opportunity to take it out of tree and develop it slowly and carefully, like we did for Linux and OpenBSD, sounds a lot better. This also meshes well with what we had planned to do, which I mentioned in the announcement email this morning -- have this available as an out of tree module that people can try out. Then, after we've got it really solid, reintroduce it in the normal FreeBSD ways of doing that. (I'm not so familiar with that latter process, but I trust that Kyle & folks know that part well.) On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:08 PM Scott Long <scottl(a)netgate.com> wrote:
Scott
So, that's where we are. You're upset and making threats to slander security researchers and kernel programmers. That's really disappointing. All I can do is ask you: please don't? We have much more to gain by supporting each other than being in conflict. I just want to make sure FreeBSD 13 (or 14) gets a great WireGuard implementation. And you want to make sure your customers get great products. I see no reason why these are conflicting goals. I hope this can deescalate, and we can work together on this. I'm confident that our goals are ultimately aligned very well. Regards, Jason