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[OT] Windows OS required
by James Pluck 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Hi all, I am looking for a copy of Windows XP (SP2 minimum) or Vista (Business or better - 64 preferred) to buy. I'm only interested in a legitimate license and media. Unfortunately I can't afford a retail version of Vista and no-one seems to have XP anymore :( If anyone has bought a pc recently and wants to offload any "Microsoft tax" that came with it I would be willing to discuss it. Please don't give me a hard time for wanting Windows. I need to rebuild my PC and there are professional and personal reasons why it's not viable for me to go Linux only. Thank you James. -- James Pluck PalmOS Ergo Sum "Dear IRS: I would like to cancel my subscription. Please remove my name from your mailing list..."

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 206, Issue 18
by Jaco van der Merwe 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

CloneZilla LiveCD ISO @ http://gpartedclonz.tuxfamily.org/ > From: wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: wlug Digest, Vol 206, Issue 18 > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:00:07 +1200 > > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Windows OS required (Daniel Lawson) > 2. Cloning a hard drive (Glenn Ramsey) > 3. Re: Cloning a hard drive (Bruce Kingsbury) > 4. Re: [OT] Windows OS required (Graham lauder) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:20:59 +1200 > From: Daniel Lawson <daniel(a)meta.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] [OT] Windows OS required > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <EBA26160-9870-46A3-B724-27A01DDAE570(a)meta.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > > It might be worth checking directly with Microsoft NZ and verifying > > this before jumping to conclusions. My understanding (from reading > > MSFT documentation about volume licensing in general, and from having > > been given some ex-educational computers in the past) is that the > > licence is only valid for employees / students of the organisation > > with the volume licence. If the computer is sold or donated the > > software licence is no longer valid. I'm not certain that the same > > applies if the student / employee leaves and takes a computer with > > them, but that would seem logical. > > Further to this (and, I guess, contrary to my previous post): > > http://www.msdnaa.net/emea/FullEnglish_documentation.aspx > ... > 2. Do students need to uninstall the software at the end of the > course? No, students are allowed to keep the software they have > installed, but they may not check out or download additional MSDNAA > software unless they continue taking courses from a member department. > Regardless, they are still bound by the terms of the MSDNAA License > Amendment. The department is responsible for informing students of the > usage limitations governed by the MSDNAA License Amendment, and the > department should periodically remind students of those conditions. > > Graham: I'd trust MS's documentation over the policy of an individual > school. > > However, the terms of the MSDNAA do say you can't use the software for > commercial purposes. So James, if you're wanting to install windows to > have access to software you need for work, then this is still in > breach of the agreement. > > I think this thread is pretty well and truly done by now. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:24:38 +1200 > From: Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> > Subject: [wlug] Cloning a hard drive > To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <48ADEB26.9040300(a)componic.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I need to install a bigger hard drive in my laptop which dual boots > Windows & Linux. I was wondering if anyone knows of any gotchas that I > should be aware of? > > What I'm planning to do is to boot from the GParted liveCD and first use > dd to clone the original drive with > > dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb > > and then use gparted to resize the partitions. > > Seems too simple, have I missed something? > > Glenn > > -- > Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 > http://www.componic.co.nz > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:47:56 +1200 > From: "Bruce Kingsbury" <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] Cloning a hard drive > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: > <54e2f3c80808211547s3b3bdcd7vbbbaa4cef13d5d17(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2008/8/22 Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz>: > > Hi, > > > > I need to install a bigger hard drive in my laptop which dual boots > > Windows & Linux. I was wondering if anyone knows of any gotchas that I > > should be aware of? > > > > What I'm planning to do is to boot from the GParted liveCD and first use > > dd to clone the original drive with > > > > dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb > > > > and then use gparted to resize the partitions. > > > > Seems too simple, have I missed something? > > > > Glenn > > > > That would probably work, but it's not how I'd do it because it is > likely to result in your partition table being 'less than ideal' for > the new drive geometry. > > I generally create a new filesystem (with the new drive where it's > going to be permanently, and the old drive as slave). Mount the new > filesystem as '/target' and the old one as '/source', use cp -a to > copy everything over. > > Then update the UUID's in /target/boot/grub/menu.lst and > /target/etc/fstab to match the new filesystem. You can get filesystem > UUID's using the vol_id command. > > Then run grub-install --root-directory=/target. > > There may be better ways, but this works for me. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:26:20 +1200 > From: Graham lauder <yorick_(a)openoffice.org> > Subject: Re: [wlug] [OT] Windows OS required > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <1219361180.1339.11.camel(a)linux-rzf3.site> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 09:20 +1200, Daniel Lawson wrote: > > > It might be worth checking directly with Microsoft NZ and verifying > > > this before jumping to conclusions. My understanding (from reading > > > MSFT documentation about volume licensing in general, and from having > > > been given some ex-educational computers in the past) is that the > > > licence is only valid for employees / students of the organisation > > > with the volume licence. If the computer is sold or donated the > > > software licence is no longer valid. I'm not certain that the same > > > applies if the student / employee leaves and takes a computer with > > > them, but that would seem logical. > > > > Further to this (and, I guess, contrary to my previous post): > > > > http://www.msdnaa.net/emea/FullEnglish_documentation.aspx > > ... > > 2. Do students need to uninstall the software at the end of the > > course? No, students are allowed to keep the software they have > > installed, but they may not check out or download additional MSDNAA > > software unless they continue taking courses from a member department. > > Regardless, they are still bound by the terms of the MSDNAA License > > Amendment. The department is responsible for informing students of the > > usage limitations governed by the MSDNAA License Amendment, and the > > department should periodically remind students of those conditions. > > > > Graham: I'd trust MS's documentation over the policy of an individual > > school. > > True, and thanks for that link Daniel, it will be useful. I just grabbed > the first one in my search that fitted. I think the critical factor is > that a user can only continue to use it as a learning tool. If the user > is no longer an eligible user then it is unlikely that it is being used > as a learning tool.... Of course being an advocate of Lifelong > learning.... :) > > > > > However, the terms of the MSDNAA do say you can't use the software for > > commercial purposes. So James, if you're wanting to install windows to > > have access to software you need for work, then this is still in > > breach of the agreement. > > > > I think this thread is pretty well and truly done by now. > > > > As much as anything it shows the mess that MS licensing policies cause. > > -- > Graham Lauder, > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > INGOTs Assessor Trainer > (International Grades in Office Technologies) > www.theingots.org > > Open Opportunities ltd. > Open Technologies Training and Migration Consultants > http://www.openopportunities.co.nz > http://openoffice.org > http://www.opensuse.org > > OOoGear: For the Well dressed OOo Advocate > http://ooogear.co.nz > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of wlug Digest, Vol 206, Issue 18 > ************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces – your life, your Space. 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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Web-enabled Linksys devices using Embedded Linux

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XP [OT]
by Jaco van der Merwe 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

No worries, James I've cooked my machine(s) so frequently (hardware & software) & had endless issues with redmond, even if I prove I'm the legit owner of a licence (numerous through the years, actually), that I've now resorted to VM's (which may very well be a breach of licence, but I simply don't care any more). That way I can setup a basic system as I like it & back it up & store it. I can easily move it from machine to machine (and btw, run multiple copies, though I seldom do this; 1 is enough for my tests). If I do somethingh to blow my win, it's easy to recover _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces – your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview

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apologies
by Jaco van der Merwe 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

I'd like to apologize to the XP user for the tine of my last message As Craig pointed out, it may have been construed as 'derogatory' (the reference to 'Windoze' as opposed to 'windows'). This could prove counter-productive... If I came across a bit strong, it was not my intent So here is the long & the short of it. win licensing is a nightmare. Best just get an old box with a licence & fly with that. For distro's, go to www.distrowatch.com This is the be-all & end-all for distro's, and here you can pick & choose from many, MANY distro's, fOSS & commercial. Even listing for retail suppliers of disks. Go with a "LiveCD" (or a liveUSB if you want) to non-destructively try the system(s) before committing. Make nifty gifts too. Go to ubuntuforums.org for 90% of you Linux (any distro) questions. Resource & links are comprehensive, most users aren't as abrasive as myself, and turnaround time is usually very quick. Just be sure to do a search on a topic before asking a question that's been covered many time before. If all else fails, bring your kit to an "install-fest" @ your next gLUG meeting, when & wherever that happens. BTW. check the channels to see about the upcoming SoftwareFreedomDay.org on the 20th Sept. That may also be a very good time to get i's crossed & t's dotted _________________________________________________________________ Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! http://get.live.com/mail/overview

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 206, Issue 15
by Jaco van der Merwe 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

I think the point is being missed here. This is a LUG. It's all good & fine to keep XP around for legacy reasons, either in a VM or as a dual boot option, but there are numerous licensing pit-fall's involved. Focus on the (g)Linux (please) If you want a windoze OS, the simplest is really to go to TradeMe, and get an old busted machine. Use the rest for spares, or another home linux server (IPCop firewall? mythbuntu? torrentflux? NAS/RAS?). That way windows will basically cost you the price of shipping. (or you can be sneaky & try to lay your hands on a MSDN version; 2k is still the best) Any other option option, you simply spinning your wheels & creating more problems in the long run. I've tries to get an old XP licence from users that have 'upgraded' to vista; good luck with that one - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ It’s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services now! http://get.live.com/

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XP SP2
by David Bowen 20 Aug '08

20 Aug '08

Hi How about using nLite to slipstream SP2 and even SP3 onto your disk copy? http://www.nliteos.com/ Cheers David

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SFD library poster: call for contributions
by Bryce Utting 19 Aug '08

19 Aug '08

Hi all, I'm preparing a display that's to occupy a poster in the public library for the two weeks leading up to Software Freedom Day. The intent is to demonstrate the usefulness and attraction of FOSS software with a whoooole bunch of screenshots, grouped (transparently) around a set of categories that'll hopefully catch all comers. Ideally: someone will walk past, see a bunch of colour, see something surprising being done with (eg) OOo Writer, and think "... if I download a copy (and become awesomely talented), *I* could do that." (whether they show up at the installfest is kindof a side goal: it'd be great, but we really want people knowing what they can do with FOSS, and also knowing that it's free and that they don't need to fork out $$$ for Office, Photoshop, Unreal, Visual Studio, or whatever. and where to get it from, of course.) To do that, we need colourful, compelling, and useful (where applicable) screenshots of a wide range of FOSS software. These screenshots need to be released under Creative Commons, so we need to draw on resources within WLUG rather than simply downloading sample screenshots. We've got around 2.4 x 1.2 metres, so we've got real estate to burn. I've set up a page detailing the goals, showing the current layout design (using, ahem, downloaded screenshots), and listing candidate packages: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~butting/wlug/contrib.html If you think you can offer something -- killer examples of Inkscape or Gimp in use, Kino being used to create something lively, a Rosegarden composition, a Mono program that looks good onscreen -- please, please, check the page out and drop me a line. ta, Bryce

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 17 Aug '08

17 Aug '08

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Web-enabled Linksys devices using Embedded Linux

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Dick Smith Acer Aspire 5315 NoteBook
by Ron Dean 15 Aug '08

15 Aug '08

Has anybody had experience in setting this up with Ubuntu 8.04 The full Model Number is AS5315-201G08Mi I am thinking of buying one . I found on the web information about Aspire 5315 that it could be got to work but when I searched with the whole model number couldn't find any information. -- Ron Dean 2 Shannon Place Nawton Hamilton Ph 8493904

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