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Fwd: [nzlug] Dialup on Slingshot
by Bruce Kingsbury 03 Nov '09

03 Nov '09

Can't remember who was having problems with dialup a couple of meetings back, but a similar issue has come up on the nzlinux mailing list so this information may be useful to someone. Or you can bring it along (again) to the saturdayworkshop end of year BBQ Nov 28th and we'll take another look at it. (useful ppp options down the bottom of the following mail) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Graham Lauder <gl(a)openopportunities.co.nz> Date: 2009/10/22 Subject: Re: [nzlug] Dialup on Slingshot To: NZLUG Mailing List <nzlug(a)linux.net.nz> On Wednesday 21 October 2009 08:58:39 Mark Foster wrote: [...] > > Having been on the other side (Helpdesk'r for several years - including > for Slingshot ironically enough (though a very long time ago) - try it > from a helpdesk's POV. > > - Probably nil experience with Linux and linux software. > - Fault unable to be duplicated from a windows box? (I think that's what I > read). > - Working from one OS and not another would point to an OS specific fault, > not an ISP specific fault. I would doubt that many ISPs actually provide > helpdesk services with Linux in mind. > [....] Yep all of the above, interestingly, I'll give them ups for one thing the first guy I talked to had a pretty good shot at trying to help which was very good considering that he was probably doing it blind not being able to pull up an OpenSuSE desktop in front of him. > > Have to say that my answer would've been similar at any of the three ISP's > I performed tech support for. > > Unfortunately while there's essentially one way to configure dialup under > Windows, Linux offers too many gotchas around modem drivers, dialup > software, GUI vs CLI, for support staff to be proficient with the > environment (Unless, somehow, they have both time and inclination to > fiddle with many of these.) > > Most helpdesk'rs I have known are afforded precious little professional > development time, so what they know = what they are experienced with. > > (The social win, as it were, would be to improve linux experience levels > amongst those who work on helpdesks. This will have a flow-on effect to > the capabilities the ISPs provide). Agreed, toward that, I'm going to email the fix to them and the ppp/options file, you never know it may be useful to them. > > Anyone know any ISPs who explicitly provide Linux tech support? (And more > importantly, where that offer is not tied to the skills of one or two > individuals (aka SPOF's))? I'm not sure here but is /etc/ppp/options common to all distros and/or Desktop Environments. I'm using KDE and Kinternet and the assumption is that all distros running KDE should be the same. Does the Gnome desktop use the same location and options file? That's obviously significant because of Ubuntu's position in the market. If I'm going to help the Helpdesk'rs that would be useful for them to know. One of the advantages of course is that we're dealing with a text file. A text file looks the same in windows or whatever. Of course there are certain questions here, Does the user know how to open a terminal and run it as a superuser/root ? Does the user know how to use a text editor? Does the user know what KDE or Gnome is? Given that there are more and more "less than technical" endusers of Linux out there, affirmative answers to all of the above are not so much a given any more However assuming a reasonable level of knowledge a process could be: What's your Desktop environment: Gnome or KDE KDE: Open Konsole Do su Enter super-user password at request type kate at the prompt in the address field type /etc/ppp/options Gnome : Open terminal do sudo gedit Enter password at request in the address field type /etc/ppp/options then it's simply a matter of stepping through the text file. >From Johns mail In KDE on OpenSuSE > ============= lock (This one was already set) noauth (same here) defaultroute (wvdial does this by default in any case) ipcp-max-configure 65 (This doesn't appear to be necessary) ipcp-accept-local (uncomment this line) ipcp-accept-remote (uncomment this one as well) idle 600 (already set) > ============= So then, at least in my system receive-all (add this line) ipcp-accept-local (uncomment this line) ipcp-accept-remote (uncomment this one as well) That's a relatively easy fix. The question is, is /etc/ppp/options the same on other distros, particularly Ubuntu. It would be good to know before I ping this off to the Slingshot helpdesk. Any other comments? Cheers GL -- Open Opportunities Ltd http//:www.openopportunities.co.nz Open Technologies Migration and Change Management Consultants Front Office ICT Training and Certification Web Presence Management Consultancy SuSE Linux Enterprise and OpenOffice.org specialists _______________________________________________ NZLUG mailing list NZLUG(a)linux.net.nz http://www.linux.net.nz/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nzlug -- Disclaimer: By sending an email to any of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. 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Karmic Koala
by Chris O'Halloran 02 Nov '09

02 Nov '09

Hi guys, I tried to be sensible and wait for other online reviews first but in the end I couldn't resist and just hit upgrade to Karmic Koola for a Kubuntu Jaunty Jackalope machine. The process worked flawlessly and I am impressed. It upgraded my virtual Windows XP machine (running on VirtualBox), keep Amarok 1.4 and didn't break Wine. Skype still works and the wireless configuration dialog is much improved. The Nvidia drivers were updated for the new kernel. And a few annoying bugs in Kontact are gone! That was the most painless update I've experienced. It still took about an hour a 800Kb/s ADSL connection and I had to answer a few questioned along the way but otherwise very impressed. Just though I'd share that. Cheers, Chris

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Re: [wlug] Karmic Koala
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 02 Nov '09

02 Nov '09

Hi Folks, Looks pretty good but I will be patient as I have promised myself a brand new box for after Christmas ( if too long after might be in time for lts release Hee Hee) Regards John. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Hi guys, > > I tried to be sensible and wait for other online reviews > first but in the end I couldn't resist and just hit > upgrade to Karmic Koola for a Kubuntu Jaunty Jackalope > machine. > > The process worked flawlessly and I am impressed. It > upgraded my virtual Windows XP machine (running on > VirtualBox), keep Amarok 1.4 and didn't break Wine. Skype > still works and the wireless configuration dialog is much > improved. The Nvidia drivers were updated for the new > kernel. And a few annoying bugs in Kontact are gone! > > That was the most painless update I've experienced. It > still took about an hour a 800Kb/s ADSL connection and I > had to answer a few questioned along the way but otherwise > very impressed. > > Just though I'd share that. > > Cheers, > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG Fixit Meeting is today!
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Oct '09

30 Oct '09

A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday October 31st, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/map/nz/hamilton/fairfield/-te+whanau+ptahi/) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. Since Karmic will have been released only days before, we're going to count this is as Karmic ReleaseParty We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee, light lunch, etc.

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WLUG Fixit Meeting tomorrow
by Meeting Reminder bot 29 Oct '09

29 Oct '09

A reminder; the WLUG Fixit Meeting is tomorrow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday October 31st, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/map/nz/hamilton/fairfield/-te+whanau+ptahi/) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. Since Karmic will have been released only days before, we're going to count this is as Karmic ReleaseParty We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee, light lunch, etc.

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Fwd: RE: BADSIG... again different box
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Oct '09

25 Oct '09

Sorry forgot add all. What happened to the auto munging thingy?? ----- Message Forwarded on Mon 26/10/2009 ----- From: "" <jaytee(a)clear.net.nz> To: Steve Lisson <SteveL(a)dedicatedservers.net.au> Subject: RE: [wlug] BADSIG... again different box Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:45:30 +1300 Fixed.... Thank you much Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Try this: > http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/tux-love/2009/04/hidden_linux_cant_up > grade_to_u.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jaytee(a)clear.net.nz [mailto:jaytee(a)clear.net.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 25 October 2009 7:43 PM > To: Steve Lisson > Subject: RE: [wlug] BADSIG... again different box > > Sun 25 Oct 1042 pm at the time of writing.. > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Out of interest could you check the date/time on your > > system is correct? > > >

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 25 Oct '09

25 Oct '09

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This is labour day, no meeting scheduled.

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Fwd: RE: BADSIG... again different box
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Oct '09

25 Oct '09

----- Message Forwarded on Sun 25/10/2009 ----- From: "" <jaytee(a)clear.net.nz> To: Steve Lisson <SteveL(a)dedicatedservers.net.au>,Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: RE: [wlug] BADSIG... again different box Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:33:20 +1300 OK I did that and here is that output; Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5 gpg: requesting key 437D05B5 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com gpg: key 437D05B5: "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster(a)ubuntu.com>" 9 new signatures gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: new signatures: 9 john(a)scratchy:~$ However the end result is the same. Did I make an error in the command?? Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Hi, > > Probably don't have the package installed that contains > the signing keys for the packages, do a search for > 'keyring', can't tell you the exact package for Ubuntu (as > run debian) but to give you an example this is the one > required for my system: > > debian-archive-keyring - GnuPG archive keys of the Debian > archive > > If you have added any repositories there is likely a > package specifically for that repository. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:wlug-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of > jaytee(a)clear.net.nz > Sent: Sunday, 25 October 2009 7:11 PM > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [wlug] BADSIG... again different box > > Hi All, > Does anyone know why this is happening and what action I > can take to fix the problem? > Regards John > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-backports/universe > Translation-en_NZ > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > hardy-backports/multiverse Translation-en_NZ > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release.gpg > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main > Translation-en_NZ > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe > Translation-en_NZ > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/restricted > Translation-en_NZ > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse > Translation-en_NZ > Get:4 http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates > Release [51.2kB] > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates Release > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-backports Release > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/main > Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > intrepid-updates/restricted Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/universe > Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > intrepid-updates/multiverse Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-backports/main > Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > hardy-backports/restricted Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-backports/universe > Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > hardy-backports/multiverse Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe > Packages Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > intrepid/restricted Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse > Packages > Fetched 380B in 5s (71B/s) > Reading package lists... Done > W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The > repository is not updated and the previous index files > will be used.GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com > intrepid-security Release: The following signatures were > invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic > Signing Key <ftpmaster(a)ubuntu.com> > > W: GPG error: http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > intrepid-updates Release: The following signatures were > invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic > Signing Key <ftpmaster(a)ubuntu.com> > W: Failed to fetch > http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-security/Release > > > W: Some index files failed to download, they have been > ignored, or old ones used instead. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] BADSIG... again different box
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Oct '09

25 Oct '09

OK I did that and here is that output; Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5 gpg: requesting key 437D05B5 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com gpg: key 437D05B5: "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster(a)ubuntu.com>" 9 new signatures gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: new signatures: 9 john(a)scratchy:~$ However the end result is the same. Did I make an error in the command?? Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Hi, > > Probably don't have the package installed that contains > the signing keys for the packages, do a search for > 'keyring', can't tell you the exact package for Ubuntu (as > run debian) but to give you an example this is the one > required for my system: > > debian-archive-keyring - GnuPG archive keys of the Debian > archive > > If you have added any repositories there is likely a > package specifically for that repository. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > [mailto:wlug-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of > jaytee(a)clear.net.nz > Sent: Sunday, 25 October 2009 7:11 PM > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [wlug] BADSIG... again different box > > Hi All, > Does anyone know why this is happening and what action I > can take to fix the problem? > Regards John > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-backports/universe > Translation-en_NZ > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > hardy-backports/multiverse Translation-en_NZ > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release.gpg > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main > Translation-en_NZ > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe > Translation-en_NZ > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/restricted > Translation-en_NZ > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse > Translation-en_NZ > Get:4 http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates > Release [51.2kB] > Ign http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates Release > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-backports Release > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/main > Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > intrepid-updates/restricted Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/universe > Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > intrepid-updates/multiverse Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-backports/main > Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > hardy-backports/restricted Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-backports/universe > Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > hardy-backports/multiverse Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe > Packages Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > intrepid/restricted Packages > Hit http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse > Packages > Fetched 380B in 5s (71B/s) > Reading package lists... Done > W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The > repository is not updated and the previous index files > will be used.GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com > intrepid-security Release: The following signatures were > invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic > Signing Key <ftpmaster(a)ubuntu.com> > > W: GPG error: http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com > intrepid-updates Release: The following signatures were > invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic > Signing Key <ftpmaster(a)ubuntu.com> > W: Failed to fetch > http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-security/Release > > > W: Some index files failed to download, they have been > ignored, or old ones used instead. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] BADSIG... again different box
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Oct '09

25 Oct '09

Thanks Steve, I will try the "keyring" Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Hi, > > Probably don't have the package installed that contains > the signing keys for the packages, do a search for > 'keyring', can't tell you the exact package for Ubuntu (as > run debian) but to give you an example this is the one > required for my system: > > debian-archive-keyring - GnuPG archive keys of the Debian > archive > > If you have added any repositories there is likely a > package specifically for that repository. > > Steve

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