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Re: [wlug] Compare 2 directories with each other.
by Michael Cree 01 Aug '03

01 Aug '03

> > On 1 Aug 2003, Oliver Jones wrote: > > > > > Howdy. Anyone know of a command that lets you compare the contents of > > > two different dirs? [Various suggestions using diff/ls/tree deleted]. I used to use a shell script that would use diff to compare two directories and all their subdirectories. I mainly used it to verify that a backup CD of crucial data had been written correctly. I have since written it as a perl script which is a bit nicer. Note that I have never got around to tidying up this script to use proper arguments, etc. It currently is set to comparing the current directory to the CD. Edit the line "@totals = &dodir(".","/media/cdrom");" if you want to change the directories it uses. Cut out the script from below and save it as whatever you want to call it and remember to set the execute bit on it. #!/usr/bin/perl # sub dodir { local ($dir) = $_[0]; local ($refdir) = $_[1]; local (@totals) = (0,0,0,0); opendir(F,$dir) || die "ERROR: cannot opendir $dir"; foreach $name (sort readdir(F)) { if ($name ne "." && $name ne "..") { $fullname = $dir . "/" . $name; $refname = $refdir . "/" . $name; if (-d $fullname) { printf "%-50s [d] ", $fullname; if (! -d $refname) { print "ERROR - not on CD\n"; $totals[0]++; }else{ print "(entering)\n"; @subtot = dodir($fullname, $refname); $totals[0] = $totals[0] + $subtot[0]; $totals[1] = $totals[1] + $subtot[1]; $totals[2] = $totals[2] + $subtot[2]; $totals[3] = $totals[3] + $subtot[3]; } }elsif (-f $fullname) { printf "%-50s ... ",$fullname; if (! -f $refname) { print "ERROR - not on CD\n"; $totals[1]++; }else{ $retval = system("cmp -s '$refname' '$fullname'"); if ($retval != 0) { print "ERROR - files differ.\n"; $totals[2]++; }else{ print "OK.\n"; } } }else{ printf "%-50s [can't handle]\n",$fullname ; $totals[3]++; } } } closedir(F); @totals; } $ok = 1; @totals = &dodir(".","/media/cdrom"); print "\n"; if ($totals[3] > 0) { if ($totals[3] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one [reference] file that I couldn't read.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[3] [reference] files that I couldn't read.\n"; } } if ($totals[0] > 0) { $ok = 0; if ($totals[0] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one missing directory.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[0] missing directories.\n"; } } if ($totals[1] > 0) { $ok = 0; if ($totals[1] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one missing file.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[1] missing files.\n"; } } if ($totals[2] > 0) { $ok = 0; if ($totals[2] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one bad file.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[2] bad files.\n"; } } if ($ok) { print "All OK.\n"; } Cheers Michael

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Re: [wlug] The LUG is a beast of many backs
by Gavin Denby 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

Yes but if after a few nights of playing your adrenaline level is not raised, then you just are not geek material. On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 04:54 PM, Alastair Porter wrote: > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:39, Gavin Denby wrote: >> SO rather than comparing, Get a CD or set up linux on a drive, and >> spend a few evenings playing with stuff and finding out how to do >> something under Linux, But be warned its very addictive. > A few? > I spent probally 3 nights a week for the best part of a year and a bit > playing with linux just experimenting. > I didn't expect to know everything all at once, and by just learning > bit > by bit, i have built up quite a nice knowlede (AFAIC)

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RE: [wlug] Memory for weird things.
by Lindsay Druett 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Well, up until now, I had been using Kingston RAM in Cisco devices, however, if the equipment is under warranty and/or under contract with Cisco directly, then there is a fundamental issue with using Kingston RAM which is not the case with using the RAM from these guys. These guys seem to be cheaper than purchasing Kingston RAM for Cisco devices from TP. That's also taking in account exchange rates, delivery, etc. Also with my experience with delivery, well, let's put it this way. If Federal Express opened business in New Zealand, then all the other couriers (CourierPost, NZ Couriers, etc, etc) would be out of business within no time. -----Original Message----- From: David Nicholls Sent: Thu 24/07/2003 9:16 a.m. To: wlug Cc: Subject: RE: [wlug] Memory for weird things. jeepers you guys, why not just order kingston ram? you can order equivalents for every system from dell to hp to whatever, and its cheaper. thats what the uni does. we just go to the kingston site and match system codes to get the right ram (i think its the us site so the price roughly doubles of course), then we order from NZ suppliers. theres bound to be someone around who is cheaper than our "oficial" supplier (tech pacific) that gets in kingston ram. cheers... david -----Original Message----- Oliver Jones wrote: > Howdy. Thought I'd let people know I've found and awesome supplier of > weird memory. I wanted to upgrade our HP 1300 from it's puny 16MB of > ram to 80MB. Basically so large OpenOffice docs print without barfing > half way through. Techpac are the suppliers of HP gear in NZ. Their > prices for ram upgrades on printers are stupidly high. Well you can get > 64MB upgrade for a 1300 from www.MemoryX.net <http://www.MemoryX.net> for 30 USD + ~ 30 USD for > FedEx express. It costs 10 times as much to buy the same ram from > Techpac. The goods arrived within a week of ordering in perfect condition. My printer could definitely use another 64MB of memory at that price. Does anyone who has a credit card want to put an order together and share the cost of shipping? -- Matthias _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug> -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz <mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> § www.deeperdesign.com <http://www.deeperdesign.com> § +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] Configuring a firewall
by Craig Box 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

> I'm trying to set up a firewall to hopefully prevent being hacked again. > Since the machine is a dialup (until DSL comes to Hikutaia) I figure > that it's got to be pretty straightforward. > > The machine is also a workstation and file/print/mail/dnscache etc > server for my home office network of itself plus 2 or 3 other machines. > > The whole issue of what firewall software to use seems a bit confusing, > but I think I've figured out that ipmasq does what I need. I've > installed it and read the debian ipmasq users manual but I'm not sure > what to do next. According to the manual I configure it using > dpkg-reconfigure. I've done that and selected the ppp option. If I were you, I'd start by reading http://www.wlug.org.nz/HowFirewallingWorks, I'd skim-read about how Perry's firewalling script works (at http://www.wlug.org.nz/PerrysFirewallingScript) and then I would install the .deb, which I'd find at http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/debian/linuxserver-firewall_0.3_all.deb. (hint: wget the file, then dpkg -i) Then, you need to go into /etc/linuxserver-firewall/interfaces.d, check the mapping between interfaces and classes (which you learnt about in your skim-read), edit the files as required and type '/etc/init.d/linuxserver-firewall restart' And then you're done, and you did some good learning along the way too. ;) Future versions of the Debian package will do automatic guessing of interfaces and network addresses. Someday. This message bought to you by "When in doubt, ask the Wiki" Craig

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Re: [wlug] Configuring a firewall
by Gavin Denby 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Glen I sent you a long text off list, Hope it helps Covers IP routing and stuff, You probably only need the last bit, but ut was easier to send it all to you. Good luck I cheated, got a 486, installed IPCOP firewall, web configured and very nice, My router also has a firewall, so I'm now behind 2 of them On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 07:43 PM, Glenn Ramsey wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to set up a firewall to hopefully prevent being hacked > again. Since the machine is a dialup (until DSL comes to Hikutaia) I > figure that it's got to be pretty straightforward. > > The machine is also a workstation and file/print/mail/dnscache etc > server for my home office network of itself plus 2 or 3 other > machines. > > The whole issue of what firewall software to use seems a bit > confusing, but I think I've figured out that ipmasq does what I need. > I've installed it and read the debian ipmasq users manual but I'm not > sure what to do next. According to the manual I configure it using > dpkg-reconfigure. I've done that and selected the ppp option. > > What next? The manual doesn't say any more, does that mean that it's > automatically configured? Do I need to learn the details of iptables > so I can confirm that it is correct or is there an easier way? > Currently I don't really have the time to do that so if the answer to > the last question is yes then can you guys suggest someone who I could > pay to do it? > > Thanks > g > > -- > Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 > http://www.componic.co.nz > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Memory for weird things.
by Oliver Jones 21 Jul '03

21 Jul '03

Howdy. Thought I'd let people know I've found and awesome supplier of weird memory. I wanted to upgrade our HP 1300 from it's puny 16MB of ram to 80MB. Basically so large OpenOffice docs print without barfing half way through. Techpac are the suppliers of HP gear in NZ. Their prices for ram upgrades on printers are stupidly high. Well you can get 64MB upgrade for a 1300 from www.MemoryX.net for 30 USD + ~ 30 USD for FedEx express. It costs 10 times as much to buy the same ram from Techpac. The goods arrived within a week of ordering in perfect condition. Regards -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz § www.deeperdesign.com § +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] telephone and linux
by Gavin Denby 20 Jul '03

20 Jul '03

For some reason when I type vcopsystems.com, my mozilla browser corrects my obvious mistake to www.vcopsystems.com and it fails, even when it folow the link it works in that i see the page, but the address bar shows the www, which is wrong, thus my cut and paste was wrong link, in short annoying, Galeon does the same, so its probably an error in the core, must be time to upgrade it. All the rest of my mozilla installs work fine. its just that machine, its also the first time I've noticed it. On 19 Jul 2003 23:03:19 +1200 zcat <zcat(a)themall.co.nz> wrote: > > http://vcopsystem.com > > > > But I can get it if i Type it in too, Weird. > > try vocpsystem.com > > Strangely, that's the first hit when you search for vcop too. go > figure.. > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: Is linux better or not? Was: Re: [wlug] victory for linux in munich!
by Daniel Lawson 16 Jul '03

16 Jul '03

> > >If you define a metric, it's easy to say "Foo is better than bar". > > Yes. But you have to be careful that you are actually comparing on the metric, and not on your interpretation of the metric, or on the metric but influenced by some hidden factor (ie Mindcraft or whoever they were benchmarks) >Back to the point of the metric, the page was designed to say "This program, >if you use X on Windows, will do it on Linux." And the short answer is that >it won't. You will find that it does some things better (might be more >stable, might have more functions), but it does some things worse. Or >everything differently. > > We have no idea what they want to use it for on Windows though. For you to make the statement on the wiki, along the lines of 'All this linux sofware is at a basic equivalence level with its Windows partner' is completely missing the point, that you actually have no idea what people want to do with it or not. Moreover, the statement as it stands is highly likely to put anyone off using the alternatives - they are only a basic equivalent after all.[1] One example here. Gnumeric is a very polished replacement for Excel. It supports all the Excel spreadsheet functions, and a whole lot more. It doesn't have VBA, but I'm to understand that it supports perl/python/tcl scripting instead. It has a graph builder, advanced mathematical support, solver support, etc etc, and can even read / write Excel95/97/2k etc files. This is completely irrelevant if the user wants to build a basic spreadsheet with a few SUM and AVERAGE functions thrown in, and some formatting. Its completely irrelevant if the user is actually, due to its nice column layout structure, using it to generate a template for school reports. I have no idea what the user wants to use it for, and therefore I can only suggest that it might do the job. Likewise: VS is perhaps the de facto IDE under windows. Thats nice. It's entirely possible you'd be able to code just as well, if not better, under vim, or emacs, or joe, with another xterm open and use of make / gdb and cvs. It is perhaps worth noting that joe isn't as feature-full as VS (in fact, its just a text editor), but that is rather different from implying that there is no way to do the things you do in VS, under linux. >If your concern is "Linux Acts Just Like Windows Does" then Windows scores >100% and Linux scores in the lower half of the spectrum. That was the point >I was trying to make. Linux's goal isn't to OSS Windows (interestingly, > > If you meant this, you said it very badly. As what you had said sounded more like "Nothing under Linux does as good a job as the Windows version", which is a very broad reaching statement, and I might add, highly subjective based on your view of what people actually want to do with a program under Windows or Linux. It *is* fair to say that there are differences in the program, and that while Openoffice.Org Writer or Abiword might, at first blush, be an adequate replacement for MS Word, but lack some features that *some* people *might* want, but that wasn't what you were saying. While we're on the discussion of that wiki page, it was asking for what people use instead of a program under Windows. I dont use Windows. So instead of using MS Word, I use Abiword. It doesn't matter at all if its feature-equivalent to the MS Word. It's WHAT I USE UNDER LINUX. Likewise, I use gvim/gcc/make/cvs/gdb under Linux for development. It's *my* IDE. Highly subjective, of course, but the page was asking for individual responses. >there is a project that aims to do this, and they almost have NT4's cmd.exe >down pat). It will keep evolving whichever way it does. Linux doesn't have >the commercial app support (and it may never, and it may never matter). You >can't do everything you can do in Windows on it. But the price of freedom > > I dont see that 'you can't do everything you can do in Windows on it' is true. I *can* do everything that *I* do in Windows under linux. You can propose that 'Joe Windows User' would say otherwise if you like, but until we actually have a good, objective, understanding of what 'Joe Windows User' actually does with his computer, then its all speculation, and as I pointed out before, highly subjective and based on our own view. As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing stopping people using linux as a desktop fulltime. You disagree. Who of us is right? Daniel (From his linux desktop, on which he does all his work, and all the stuff he would want to do in Windows) [1] IF you want to do real comparisons, then do a feature matrix. And do full comparisons, so list things that both equivalents do, or perhaps grade them if you think one is better. Phil's comparison of The Gimp to Photoshop is a good candidate here, as would a comparison bettween MS Office and Abiword, Gnumeric, Oo.O, Kword, etc etc.

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Re: [wlug] Poster
by S Swami 14 Jul '03

14 Jul '03

On Monday July 4:57pm, Daniel Appleton wrote: > hmm... > > HTTP Error > Status : 504 Gateway Time-Out > > Description : Unable to connect to origin Web server. > > Note : If necessary, please contact your Systems > Administrator for resolution. > > > --- Craig Box <craig(a)dubculture.co.nz> wrote: > Hi > everyone, > > > If you want a poster for the upcoming LUG meeting > > that you can print out and > > put up in suitable places, see > > http://ellusions.meta.net.nz/~crb/wlug.pdf > > > > Craig Works from KMail with "save link as". Sid.

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Mandrake 9.1 and Red Hat 9
by Matthias Dallmeier 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Anyone who wants a three-CD set of Mandrake 9.1 or Red Hat 9, please let me know as soon as possible and bring along $5 to the meeting on Monday. If you cannot afford $5 or are not interested in attending the meeting, feel free to bring your own blank CDs (including at least one additional CD for the obligatory coaster) to 35 Galway Ave, Hamilton East and I can put Mandrake 9.1 or Red Hat 9 on them for free. Please write me an e-mail or give me a call on 021 615104 to make an "appointment" before you turn up at my place though. Thank you. -- Matthias

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Re: [wlug] Anyone Got A Copy Of Mandrake Linux
by Andre Henry 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

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Anyone Got A Copy Of Mandrake Linux
by Andre Henry 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Hey Everyone Does anyone have a copy of mandrake linux that i can have or buy. Or if you have jetstream and are able to download it for me it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Alot Andre Henry

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Next Meeting: Mon 23 June. Wireless Networking and Linux
by Daniel Lawson 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Wireless Networking and Linux, Monday 23rd June. This will be a presentation by CRCNet (http://www.crc.net.nz/) <http://www.crc.net.nz>, part of the WAND Research Group (http://www.wand.net.nz/) in the Computer Science Department at the University of Waikato. It will be held in the room A.G.11, at 7:30 pm on the 23rd of June 2003. (directions will be posted on the WLUG wiki at Currently looks to be about wireless networking in general, a quick show-and-tell of some wireless gear, and discussion of the CRCNet wireless network.

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question...
by David Nicholls 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

quick one for you guys. who is hosting our hardware at the mo'? and is anyone sponsoring bandwidth etc? David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant School of Science & Technology/Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

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student web hosting
by Terry Cole 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Can anyone give me any help, please. The so called "free" web hosting seem to have inappropriate advertising, this sometimes appears after you have set up your web pages. I would like some of my students to be able to publish their web pages on the net, but would like a simple way of uploading and editing their own work. I don't want to FTP in and I would like them to be able to do this from the class as well as home. Are there any scripts out there that could help me in setting this up. I could then run them from our own domain. Thanks Terry & Kay Cole Rotorua, New Zealand mailto:terry(a)cole.gen.nz mailto:kay(a)cole.gen.nz http://www.cole.gen.nz http://www.websnz.com

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student web hosting
by Terry Cole 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Sorry folks, I might not of made my self clear. I have web hosting and I can run scripts etc from there. I don't want to use FTP. I am teaching HTML to students. I want them to be able to upload, edit etc like Orion explains. I have tried Easy Host, works well but can not edit on line unless you purchase full version. I want to also set it up on the school server (RH9). Please keep the suggestions coming. Cheers Terry & Kay Cole Rotorua, New Zealand mailto:terry(a)cole.gen.nz mailto:kay(a)cole.gen.nz http://www.cole.gen.nz http://www.websnz.com

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WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away
by Bruce Kingsbury 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Today is 19/06/2003 The WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away June 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22[23]24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Wireless Networking and Linux, Monday 23rd June. This will be a presentation by http CRCnet , part of the http WAND Research Group in the Computer Science Department at the University of Waikato. The meeting will be about wireless networking in general. This will include how to make wireless work under Linux, a quick show-and-tell of some wireless gear, and discussion of the CRCnet wireless network. It will be held at the university in the room A.G.11, at 7:30 pm on the 23rd of June 2003. A.G.11 is about half way down the main corridor on the ground floor of A block. You should walk in Gate 8 off of Hillcrest road. Parking is available on Hillcrest road and as the meeting is after hours you can use the managment staff carpark in Gate 7. A full map of the univeristy is available from http here. NOTE: The room above is a firm booking at the moment, but it has not been confirmed. It may change at any time up to and including Monday the 23rd of June. Watch this space ! http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/hillcrest-map.png http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/unimap.gif _________________________________________________________________

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OT IRC channel formed
by Nick Elder 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Hi, Just thought I would mention that a handfull of linux users have started an IRC chat room for NZ linux users. It is called #nzlinux and it is on the freenode network. Many will be aware of such a channel by the same name on the undernet network. Well the new freenode room is a channel formed and being run by a different group of enthusiasts. We are trying to create a friendly environment where new and seasoned NZ linux users can swap ideas on linux, or have a chat on anything in general, and hopefully have fun at the same time. cheers, Nick Elder <NickelZ> ref: http://www.freenode.org/irc_servers.shtml

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Bruce Kingsbury 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

Today is 16/06/2003 The WLUG meeting is one week away June 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22[23]24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Next WLUG Meeting: 2003-06-23 ? Wireless Networking and Linux, Monday 23rd June Edit the MeetingTopics page to add suggestions that you'd like to see!

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Re: [wlug] Mandrake 9.1
by Craig Mckenna 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Yes I would be after all 3 CDs On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 02:37, Daniel Appleton wrote: > I'd just download it for ya but I dont have a cd > writer, so.. not much point. > > Are you after all 3 cds? > > > --- Gavin Denby <redhat(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > If no > one closer, I have it in Ngaruawahia > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 12:12, Craig Mckenna wrote: > > > > > Anyone have this locally? > > > > > > Looking for a copy for a friend > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list > > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Craig Mckenna IT Systems Manager Eforms Limited

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Re: [wlug] tonights meeting
by Jamie Curtis 26 May '03

26 May '03

> My final demonstration, which I didn't get working, was with a suite > called PXES. This is an initrd image of a minimal linux installation. > I'm not sure which distribution it started with however. Basically, it > downloads a 20 MB file which it then uncompresses into a ramdisk, and > runs linux out of this. Information on it can be found at its > sourceforge page, http://pxes.sourceforge.net Looking at the SF page, it appears that the compresed file is approximatly 4.7mb. However they don't say what the resident size is in the ram disk, which concerns me about how much memory you would need to run this. If the ramdisk isn't compressed, it could take upto 15 - 20mb of ram, and once you add X onto that you are really going to be pushing a 32mb machine. Do you have any feelings about this or experiances with how much ram you do really need ? I couldn't find anything about this on their pages. Jamie

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Question about routing
by Jodi Thomson 08 May '03

08 May '03

Howdy I'm looking for a way of routing ports 7210, 7220, 7230, 7240, 7250, 7280 and 7285 from one IP to another using masquerading eg incoming traffic on 130.217.xxx.xx1 and outgoing on 130.217.xxx.xx2 UDP and TCP This is to solve a problem we're having with offsite connections to our new library system server Query 1)Are these ports routable in the linux kernel? Query 2) Can some give an example ipchains/iptables rules of how I might go about this? (I'm not overly fluent with creating these) Cheers Jodi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before."

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Re: [wlug] Mail problems with Mandrake 9.1
by Daniel Lawson 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

> If kppp dials in with my modem under root no problems. However if I > dial in under my username the modem dials and seems to connect but > mozilla mail doesn't download my mail. It comes up with a message > resolving host pop.ihug.co.nz and stays there and doesn't download my > mail . I have changed my permisions on /dev/modem and made sure I have > the correct permissions for Mozilla mail and it also seems I have the > same problem web browsing does anybody know what files I would have to > change the permissions on. It may be a stupid question but I don't know. What this sounds like is a problem resolving if you dial in as a user, not as root. To test this, try connecting to the Internet as your username, and open up a terminal and issue the following command: /bin/ping -c 5 202.27.184.3 This will send 5 ICMP ping packets to one of xtra's nameservers (which you should be able to ping from anywhere). If this doesn't work, it either means that your ISP is brokenly firewalling ICMP, or that you haven't in fact connected. If this does work fine, then the problem is probably that your resolver isn't being set correctly when you log in as your user. If you could issue the following commands (while you are dialed in as your user) and give us the output it would be good ls -la /etc/resolv.conf cat /etc/resolv.conf

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Re: [wlug] Hating RPMs.
by Glyn Webster 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

> -- > You will contract a rare disease. SARS! I saw a Chinese man cough yesterday. (I saw it happen on TV, but sometimes that's all it takes!) -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] Yoper
by Craig Mckenna 11 Apr '03

11 Apr '03

On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 14:52, Gavin Grieve wrote: > On 4/11/2003, "Andreas Girardet" <andreas(a)yoper.com> wrote: > > >:) I am sure I am going to be at another LUG meeting, since Auckland ain't > >that far. > > Dammit, I guess this'll mean I should turn up for meetings again then. I'm > going to try, but depending on my schedule (read: shifts), it may only be > every second month or so. > > Gavin thats even more regularly than when you were in hamilton though ;) -- Craig Mckenna IT Systems Manager Eforms Limited

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Red Hat 9
by craig＠dubculture.co.nz 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Red Hat 9 (shrike) was yesterday released to the FTP servers for Red Hat Network subscribers. Being that Linux users are an impatient lot, it was made available quickly through the new open source P2P system BitTorrent (see http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/) I have downloaded it and burnt it to 3 CDs. (No docs/SRPMs yet.) I've copied it for Greig McGill, and I'll give it to Matthias Dallmeier at lunchtime. Anyone who wants a copy _today_ is advised to hop onto #wlug on IRC and organise something with Matthias, who is looking after wider public distribution. Otherwise, posts to the list will probably quickly result in offers of copies. Next: Knoppix 3.2, which I haven't DLed because it changes almost daily! Side note: while some people may suggest that we should be supporting Red Hat Ltd. and not 'copying' the release that they have released earlier for paying customers, think of it this way: by downloading it P2P with BitTorrent, all the people who would have hammered the main site come a week from now will have just saved Red Hat Ltd. a lot of money in bandwidth charges. Side side note: BitTorrent wasn't nearly as fast a method for downloading as everyone made out on Slashdot!

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Re: [wlug] unsubsribe
by Kim Shepherd 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Argh! Then *I* manage to do the same thing......... (yes, this was meant for the list..) > Hi John, > > You actually sent this message to the list instead of to the maintenance > address, but I've manually unsubscribed you. > > Cheers, > > Kim.

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Re: [wlug] Wire wrap
by Gavin Denby 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

short term borrow, ask me (less than a week) have wire too. Phone cable is cheap option long term, Ideal electrical, Hand tool house, Mastertrade(maybe) connector systems(ak) radio spares www.rswww.co.nz farnell, www.farnell.com then select NZ If you need help drop me a line off list, I'll send you a phone number On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 22:51, Glyn Webster wrote: > Does anyone know where I can buy a wire wrap tool and wire in Hamilton?

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Urgent committee meeting
by Daniel Lawson 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Due to recent events, I am calling an urgent LUG committee meeting. Crawshaw School, 7:00 pm tommorrow (Wednesday). Myself, Jamie Curtis, Craig Box, Craig McKenna, Kim Shepherd, Perry Lorier, Gavin Denby, Greig McGill, Phil Murray, Burce Kingsbury. I would appreciate it if all of the committee turned up. Members are allowed to attend, however this is a meeting called specifically for committee business and while comments may be asked of those attended, non committee members are asked to not feel offended if they don't get to have their say. If transport is required it can be arranged. Contact me by email if you want a lift. Daniel

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FW: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Lindsay Druett 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 08:35 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc. > > > Looks like the herald is breaking all the interesting stories lately: > > http://tinyurl.com/82j8 > > I can understand Callplus having problems since they have > been struggling with inexperienced staff for a few months > (although 6 months is before the most recent resignations) > but I'm not sure how the Jetstream/Jetstart thing would have > worked. I've yet to see Telecom lose money when people get > Jetstream relms confused. > > -- > Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: > simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz > Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: > simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz > Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Bruce Kingsbury 16 Mar '03

16 Mar '03

Today is 17/03/2003 The WLUG meeting is one week away March 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23[24]25 26 27 28 29 30 31

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CoffeeLinux HTML editor
by Ron Dean 16 Mar '03

16 Mar '03

I have got the above software running but only under root. I have changed the file permisions to user 9ron) for the software however it still will only run under root. Iam using Mandrake 9. I have not had problems with changing file permisssions for other software. The executable files are in my /home/ron/ directory. Any help would be much appreciated Ron Dean

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desknote
by Stephen Pearce 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Does anyone have advise or recommedations on a lpatop/notebook suitable for running linux? I have been looking at the Elite i-Buddie desknote pc ... a928,a929,a980 .. they come without a battery and use desktop components so are current hungry .. but price/performance seems v. impressive. The local agent seemed to only know about the a901 .. does anyone know a dealer doing the later models .. or could recommend a similar concept from another manufacturer .. or maybe just has some advise on conventional portables ... the choise is rather daunting Thanks Stephen g_and_s_pearce(a)xtra.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] Next week-of-doing-things on the WLUG-Wiki
by Glyn Webster 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

> anyhow, probably the best way of doing categories is to create a > category page by editing it and putting > This is a category for blah, blargh lbargh... > <?plugin BackLinks?> > > then as you find pages that should be in one category or another you add > a link to the page, to link to the category pages without putting the > page into the category you use category: Indeed. It's just with ~6000 pages it's going to take fair number of people to get through them all! Which is why I suggested it ought to be done in a week long push like your Add-a-Page-To-the-Wiki-a-Day one. > perhaps do it as you see pages :) Oh well, better get started then... %-| -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] Tonight's meeting
by Daniel Appleton 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

Oh dear, I've got 2000 Pro, 2000 Server & Xp Pro installed on here. 2000 is the most stable windows though. Anyone got '98? ;) Daniel http://dapples.net.nz/ --- Gavin Denby <redhat(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > Um maybe if I borrowed a machine with windows on it, > But not here > anymore. sorry. > > > On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 19:11, Daniel Appleton wrote: > > How about a demonstration of how many times you > can > > make Windows crash during a meeting? > > > > anyone? > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Exchange IMs with Messenger friends on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile phone.

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Re: [wlug] ADSL failover
by Perry Lorier 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Hi everyone, > > I'm currently investigating how to set up ADSL failover. > > The default gateway on the network is a Linux machine, and its default > gateway is a Nokia M1122 connected to Tempest. In case the Tempest > connection goes down, I would like to set the machine up to fall back to a > secondary route, connected to a Jetstream modem. The Jetsream connection > should only ever be used in the case that the Tempest connection is > unavailable. > > How I've thought this should work: > > - set a route for both modems, giving the Tempest modem a higher metric > (this might not be necessary?) lower metric's are prefered. you want to give the jetstart modem a higher metric. > Would a ping test fired by something like Nagios be enough for this task? > The modems support RIP, but I'm not sure what I'd need to do with the Linux > machine to use it, and if it's overkill? Am I missing anything? rip would be good if they announce if they are up/down, as you could use rip to add/remove the routes. rip works just like ospf, see the zebra docs for more information - -- Bower's Law: Talent goes where the action is. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid iD8DBQE+SuiscAgRpy8z8UQRAkClAKCy9sRzGBQWF+EHQeI8JaSsmJhMdgCfQY12 p6wm4wOssfd9E7aB0c2k2NU= =4juG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Printer drivers with samba
by Daniel Lawson 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

I know this can be done, however I cant for the life of me find the references I had before. Maybe I'm going blind. If anyone has any useful info on setting up printer drivers with samba (ie, so you can double click on a shared printer under windows, and it'll install the drivers for you), please let me know. Or wiki it, then let me know :) Daniel

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WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away
by Bruce Kingsbury 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Today is 23/01/2003 The WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away January 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26[27]28 29 30 31

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Re: [wlug] [Off-Topic] Free Software Consortium in search of Consultants and Agents in your area.
by Glyn Webster 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

> We would like to invite you to be a founding members of the FSC either as a > Consultant and/or an Agent. > > http://www.fsconsortium.com I felt supicious. The only contact information is email addresses on the two FSC domains, and two office addresses in Florida and Cuba. No names. However, they do want you to supply your name, phone number, email address and anything else that comes to mind, and send them $250. I have a feeling they'll keep the money, sell their database of contact details to spammers, and if they're found enough suckers, set some sort of weird pyramid scheme: > From the business generated by the Free Software Consortium, the Agent > company will receive 20% of the value of the contract, and the Consultant > or Consulting company will receive 80%. There is a Latin American Free Software Consortium associated with the UN, but it's not these guys. This appears quite real: UNESCO promotes a free software consortium in LA&C http://lacnet.unicttaskforce.org/en/vernoticias.asp?cod=0000000034 Consorcio de Desarrolladores y Usuarios de Software Libre http://www.unesco.org.uy/informatica/consorcio/ Merry Christmas and bah humbug, Glyn -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz

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Sponsorship
by Craig Box 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

There's a few points that have come up in the Netraverse discussion I'd like to add my 2c to. 1. Sponsorship. It's fair enough to assume that companies will want some 'return' on their sponsorship, from their logo printed on the T-shirts that they paid for through to a simple listing on our web site. If we were to accept Netraverse's offer, post to the list (one time) that they were sponsoring us - hell, this debate has done more to raise awareness of the existance of their company and their product than one post to the list ever would. Note that there is already a page at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugSponsors page, where we currently pay our dues to Computer Upgrades 2000 Ltd for buying our domain name for us. Net4U will be added to that page as soon as we get hold of Sahil and get Hoiho hosted (We've been trying, but he hasn't been available.) If we were to ad a small link, even perhaps a banner, to that page, then we'd be fulfilling our requirement to Netraverse and I don't really think I'd call it selling out. 2. There are people who use Linux for every explainable reason. Some use it because it is beer-free, and couldn't give a toss about the source code being available or that it's protected by the GPL (Free with a capital F). These people are no less worthy of supporting - some might not even know about the source code ideals because the mass media are really good at saying "Linux is free" and not explaining what that means. 3. Programmers have to eat just as much as expensive consultants do. It's considered OK for people to make money supporting Linux, and I think it should be just as welcomed that people make money writing Linux applications. How many Windows programmers do you think have "paid their dues to Microsoft" (for creating such a nice mishmash of cruddy abstractions and calling it an OS? :) While it's very nice to think that every application for Linux will be OSS and Free, that's not necessary. If Adobe ported Photoshop to Linux and charged for it, it would be worth paying for. There is no full OSS equivalent. Perhaps the action of this happening might even charge people to work on something like The GIMP until it _is_ a full OSS equivalent. People without too much knowledge or interest in computers want to be able to make a quick educated decision about what is good and what is not good, or have a trusted advisor make that decision for them. As Daniel was saying, Linux isn't the answer to every question. It might be one day, but even then, it might not be totally OSS. We shouldn't go burning potential bridges over ideoligical disagreements. While at this point there's only a 'free' copy of Win4Lin at stake, which seems like another VMWare, it's a decision that might pop up in future when it comes to sponsorship, and it's good that it's being discussed now. Craig

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Free Software vs Open Source.
by Oliver Jones 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

Someone posted to the list about the reason for the term Open Source. The term Open Source was coined by Eric S. Raymond. He founded the Open Source Initiative. (www.opensource.org) The reason he chose this term was because of his own perceived confusion with the word Free. He figured that if Free Software was to be promoted to the business community it needed a more business friendly name. He figured, rightly, that ,ost business people would associate free with dollars and not liberty. Hence the term Open Source. The Open Source Initiative promotes Open Source Software mostly because of pragmatic ideals. Eg, OSS is cheaper, higher quality, easier to adapt, etc etc. The Free Software Foundation however still uses the term Free (as in Liberty) Software. RMS founded the FSF and remains its most vocal and well known personality. The GNU System (GCC, Bash, binutils, fileutils, GNOME, etc etc) is all copyright the FSF. The FSF is a much more idealistic organisation. RMS often makes the distinction that Free Software and Open Source Software are different and that he does not endorse Open Source. This is true. Something can fall under the Open Source definition but not be 'Free Software'. Generally in the FSF's view only software covered by the GPL is really Free Software. Though there are probably some other licenses that are very similar to the GPL that could be classed as Free Software Licenses too. The Open Source Definition is more relaxed. Stuff with BSD and MIT licenses are Open Source but probably not 'Free Software' as the FSF would define it. Anyway to really educate yourself about the difference between OSS and FS you should read up about the topic on www.opensource.org and www.gnu.org. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] Netraverse
by kyle carter 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28, Oliver Jones wrote: > > I dont see it as whoring.. i see it as evaluating software, closed source > > or open, it is evaluating a software package. > > I actually find the 'we only want to use open source software' ideals of > > RMS grating.. its the outcome, whatever is used to do the job, WHO > > CARES. ie using word or staroffice .. if you only want to print a > > letter.. who cares what software made it.. the important thing is the > > letter gets to the paper. > > "I only want to wear my shorts. Who cares if it is made by well paid > New Zealanders or exploited little Jamu from Indonesia." ;) yep.. i cant tell where my shorts come from, however i also make a point to support trade aid. > I take it that Kyle only uses Linux because it is "free, as in beer". I use it because it does what i want.. it masquerades, firewalls and runs my webserver reliably. the free is just a bonus. > > > Now why would we need to do that? ;) > > > > People do need software that is only available under windows currently... > > even if its only 1 package for windows out of the 10 they use, if that is > > a critical app, they arent going to change > > This is true. I still haven't found a decent Small Business accounting > app, up to the quality of QuickBooks, for Linux. OpenSource or Closed. > Though in this case software line Wine can obliviate the need for a > Windows license. Exactly.. 1 app you need cross-platform ability for currently. -- Kyle Carter

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Re: [wlug] Netraverse
by Daniel Appleton 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

> How about a sponsorship page then? I for one am > certainly not against > the LUG having sponsors. That sounds good. Daniel http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year!

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Re: [wlug] Next meeting
by James Spooner 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

I can if necessary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Swami" <sns(a)paradise.net.nz> To: "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] Next meeting > > Someone should probably make it more clear that THERE WILL BE A > > MEETING AT CRAWSHAW SCHOOL *TOMORROW* AT 7:30PM. > > > > http://www.wlug.org.nz/CrawshawSchool > > > > -- Matthias > > My car is busy ferrying others tonight after I get dropped off at the > school. Is there anyone who is passing through the main city or > thereabouts _after_ the talk? I'd appreciate a lift some of the way > back if possible. > > Thanks. > Sid. >

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Re: [wlug] WineX 2.2.1 just released
by Oliver Jones 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

As an alternative to Wine you could try something like VMWare (or Plex86). I use VMWare a lot to run my accounting package. VMWare works ok on XTerms I believe. I've not tried plex86. Also, you might want to try Crossover Office (www.codeweavers.com) as it runs all of office 2000 pretty well so it might run the app in question. I use CodeWeavers other product (Crossover Plugin) to run Quicktime et al under Linux. Regards On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 22:12, Greig McGill wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:10, Oliver Jones wrote: > > As I have mentioned on this list before, I subscribed to TransGaming's > > WineX software. For those of you who don't know, WineX is a commerical > > fork of the WINE codebase specifically intended for gaming. > > This got me thinking. > > At work, I have a client who would benefit greatly by moving to Linux > desktops, and remote X apps. The only issue (and isn't it always?) is > that they are dependent on one really crappy windows app. > I've tried using std. wine, but with little success (as with most real > windows apps and wine in my experience). I wondered if winex fares much > better for non-games related software? > > Have you tried any random windows apps? > > I'd love to hear the results. -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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I wiki'ed my drive partitioning advice.
by Oliver Jones 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

I wiki'ed my drive partitioning advice. Arn't I nice and helpful.. ;) www.wlug.org.nz/DrivePartitioning Additional edits/advice would probably be good. Later -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] RedHat 8 CD-R's
by Oliver Jones 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

Yeah good idea. Thanks for that. Regards On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 19:23, Aaron Martin wrote: They are actually on the Jetstream games ftp server, so you can change the login on your jetstream modem / router to user(a)jetstreamgames.co.nz and then download them at high speed for free. I just did it and it took 1 hour 15 minutes to download. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver Jones To: Waikato Linux Users Group Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: [wlug] RedHat 8 CD-R's Can someone please write me out a set of RH8 CDR's and mail them to me. I'm willing to re-emburse for time and media. I just can't afford to download the ISO's myself on my JetStream link. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238 -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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RE: [wlug] wlug seal
by David Nicholls 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

or then theres this... just for fun... -----Original Message----- From: Martin Baehr [mailto:mbaehr(a)email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at] Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2002 9:18 a.m. To: David Nicholls Cc: WLUG (E-mail) Subject: Re: [wlug] wlug seal On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:06:09AM +1200, David Nicholls wrote: > simple easy and quick.... specially for a rubber stamp. > comments? nice, the text micht be rotated a bit to have the (incorporated) right at the bottom. greetings, martin. -- interrested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer travelling in europe open-steam.org csl-gmbh.net (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unix bahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/

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Re: [wlug] filesystems for large drives
by Daniel Lawson 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

> > >It was pointed out on some list I can't remember some while ago that >commercial fs's like xfs and jfs have a huge(!) amount of testing >capability behind them in the lab with facilities individual open >source developers simply don't have. That discussion was only covering >one of IBM or SGI, but I'd guess it holds for both. > > You are implying that all open-source projects are run by individuals? Redhat at least might beg to differ... :) >Personally I would trust reiserfs, xfs and jfs but not ext3 but ext3 is >out anyway. If it's not out of the box by the distro it's dead. > > I'm not sure what you are saying here? I read the above as saying that ext3 isn't 'out of the box' - which it is? Just confusing wording I guess. >Various file systems are optimised for various things like small file >support, nfs support, etc. I don't know enough about it, but the >reiserfs site has good concise info at what reiserfs is good at and >what isn't implemented yet. I guess if you really wanted to know you'd >have to put the same files on all three and test with the situation >which is most important to you. > As a reiserfs advocate, you might know: Does NFS work over reiser yet? I had reiser corruption once, when I foolishly NFS mounted my home partition (a reiser volume). And a quick google search should uncover plenty of benchmarks on fs comparison. Of course, they always show their benchmarkers favourite fs as being the best, but thats what you get with benchmarks... :) Daniel

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Re: [wlug] Compiling a kernel for a different machine
by Andrew Thrift 22 Sep '02

22 Sep '02

I do this often on my machines as I have two with Asus P3V4X's that wont compile 2.4 kernels and so have to compile the kernel on another board then FTP it accross. I do: cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.19 make menuconfig make dep && make bzImage && make modules tar -czf ~/kernel.tar.gz * then I ssh into the destined machine, ftp the kernel.tar.gz over to my home directory then. cd /usr/src mkdir linux-2.4.19 tar -xzvf ~/kernel.tar.gz make modules-install && cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19 then edit grub.conf or lilo.conf as usual and point it to the new fandangled kernel. What I do is configure ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Purvis" <matt(a)purvis.co.nz> To: "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [wlug] Compiling a kernel for a different machine > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Colin Palmer wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > > > > I would like to compile it on my desktop machine. > > > Apart from making sure it is correctly configured for the laptop hardware, > > > what do I have to do. > > > For instance, "make modules_install" will obviously not magically wisk the > > > modules over to the laptop. > > > What files need to go where? > > > > Since you mention it's a Debian install, 'man make-kpkg' might be > > helpful. Build the kernel and modules into a package file on your desktop > > box, copy that across to the laptop and install it with dpkg. > > Another method, if you're not using Debian, or want to do it manually for > any reason, is to edit the Makefile and change the directory where > modules_install will put the modules. > > Search for INSTALL_MOD_PATH in your Makefile (or specify it before the > "modules_install:" line if there isn't an INSTALL_MOD_PATH in there). For > example: > > INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/tmp/laptop-kernel > > Then run the command "make -n modules_install" to verify that the modules > will go into the right place (the -n option on make will just print the > commands to be executed). When it's correct, run "make modules_install", > then tar up the modules and put them onto your laptop. > > Matt > > >

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