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Printer drivers with samba
by Daniel Lawson 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

I know this can be done, however I cant for the life of me find the references I had before. Maybe I'm going blind. If anyone has any useful info on setting up printer drivers with samba (ie, so you can double click on a shared printer under windows, and it'll install the drivers for you), please let me know. Or wiki it, then let me know :) Daniel

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WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away
by Bruce Kingsbury 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Today is 23/01/2003 The WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away January 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26[27]28 29 30 31

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Re: [wlug] [Off-Topic] Free Software Consortium in search of Consultants and Agents in your area.
by Glyn Webster 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

> We would like to invite you to be a founding members of the FSC either as a > Consultant and/or an Agent. > > http://www.fsconsortium.com I felt supicious. The only contact information is email addresses on the two FSC domains, and two office addresses in Florida and Cuba. No names. However, they do want you to supply your name, phone number, email address and anything else that comes to mind, and send them $250. I have a feeling they'll keep the money, sell their database of contact details to spammers, and if they're found enough suckers, set some sort of weird pyramid scheme: > From the business generated by the Free Software Consortium, the Agent > company will receive 20% of the value of the contract, and the Consultant > or Consulting company will receive 80%. There is a Latin American Free Software Consortium associated with the UN, but it's not these guys. This appears quite real: UNESCO promotes a free software consortium in LA&C http://lacnet.unicttaskforce.org/en/vernoticias.asp?cod=0000000034 Consorcio de Desarrolladores y Usuarios de Software Libre http://www.unesco.org.uy/informatica/consorcio/ Merry Christmas and bah humbug, Glyn -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz

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Sponsorship
by Craig Box 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

There's a few points that have come up in the Netraverse discussion I'd like to add my 2c to. 1. Sponsorship. It's fair enough to assume that companies will want some 'return' on their sponsorship, from their logo printed on the T-shirts that they paid for through to a simple listing on our web site. If we were to accept Netraverse's offer, post to the list (one time) that they were sponsoring us - hell, this debate has done more to raise awareness of the existance of their company and their product than one post to the list ever would. Note that there is already a page at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugSponsors page, where we currently pay our dues to Computer Upgrades 2000 Ltd for buying our domain name for us. Net4U will be added to that page as soon as we get hold of Sahil and get Hoiho hosted (We've been trying, but he hasn't been available.) If we were to ad a small link, even perhaps a banner, to that page, then we'd be fulfilling our requirement to Netraverse and I don't really think I'd call it selling out. 2. There are people who use Linux for every explainable reason. Some use it because it is beer-free, and couldn't give a toss about the source code being available or that it's protected by the GPL (Free with a capital F). These people are no less worthy of supporting - some might not even know about the source code ideals because the mass media are really good at saying "Linux is free" and not explaining what that means. 3. Programmers have to eat just as much as expensive consultants do. It's considered OK for people to make money supporting Linux, and I think it should be just as welcomed that people make money writing Linux applications. How many Windows programmers do you think have "paid their dues to Microsoft" (for creating such a nice mishmash of cruddy abstractions and calling it an OS? :) While it's very nice to think that every application for Linux will be OSS and Free, that's not necessary. If Adobe ported Photoshop to Linux and charged for it, it would be worth paying for. There is no full OSS equivalent. Perhaps the action of this happening might even charge people to work on something like The GIMP until it _is_ a full OSS equivalent. People without too much knowledge or interest in computers want to be able to make a quick educated decision about what is good and what is not good, or have a trusted advisor make that decision for them. As Daniel was saying, Linux isn't the answer to every question. It might be one day, but even then, it might not be totally OSS. We shouldn't go burning potential bridges over ideoligical disagreements. While at this point there's only a 'free' copy of Win4Lin at stake, which seems like another VMWare, it's a decision that might pop up in future when it comes to sponsorship, and it's good that it's being discussed now. Craig

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Free Software vs Open Source.
by Oliver Jones 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

Someone posted to the list about the reason for the term Open Source. The term Open Source was coined by Eric S. Raymond. He founded the Open Source Initiative. (www.opensource.org) The reason he chose this term was because of his own perceived confusion with the word Free. He figured that if Free Software was to be promoted to the business community it needed a more business friendly name. He figured, rightly, that ,ost business people would associate free with dollars and not liberty. Hence the term Open Source. The Open Source Initiative promotes Open Source Software mostly because of pragmatic ideals. Eg, OSS is cheaper, higher quality, easier to adapt, etc etc. The Free Software Foundation however still uses the term Free (as in Liberty) Software. RMS founded the FSF and remains its most vocal and well known personality. The GNU System (GCC, Bash, binutils, fileutils, GNOME, etc etc) is all copyright the FSF. The FSF is a much more idealistic organisation. RMS often makes the distinction that Free Software and Open Source Software are different and that he does not endorse Open Source. This is true. Something can fall under the Open Source definition but not be 'Free Software'. Generally in the FSF's view only software covered by the GPL is really Free Software. Though there are probably some other licenses that are very similar to the GPL that could be classed as Free Software Licenses too. The Open Source Definition is more relaxed. Stuff with BSD and MIT licenses are Open Source but probably not 'Free Software' as the FSF would define it. Anyway to really educate yourself about the difference between OSS and FS you should read up about the topic on www.opensource.org and www.gnu.org. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] Netraverse
by kyle carter 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28, Oliver Jones wrote: > > I dont see it as whoring.. i see it as evaluating software, closed source > > or open, it is evaluating a software package. > > I actually find the 'we only want to use open source software' ideals of > > RMS grating.. its the outcome, whatever is used to do the job, WHO > > CARES. ie using word or staroffice .. if you only want to print a > > letter.. who cares what software made it.. the important thing is the > > letter gets to the paper. > > "I only want to wear my shorts. Who cares if it is made by well paid > New Zealanders or exploited little Jamu from Indonesia." ;) yep.. i cant tell where my shorts come from, however i also make a point to support trade aid. > I take it that Kyle only uses Linux because it is "free, as in beer". I use it because it does what i want.. it masquerades, firewalls and runs my webserver reliably. the free is just a bonus. > > > Now why would we need to do that? ;) > > > > People do need software that is only available under windows currently... > > even if its only 1 package for windows out of the 10 they use, if that is > > a critical app, they arent going to change > > This is true. I still haven't found a decent Small Business accounting > app, up to the quality of QuickBooks, for Linux. OpenSource or Closed. > Though in this case software line Wine can obliviate the need for a > Windows license. Exactly.. 1 app you need cross-platform ability for currently. -- Kyle Carter

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Re: [wlug] Netraverse
by Daniel Appleton 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

> How about a sponsorship page then? I for one am > certainly not against > the LUG having sponsors. That sounds good. Daniel http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year!

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Re: [wlug] Next meeting
by James Spooner 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

I can if necessary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Swami" <sns(a)paradise.net.nz> To: "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] Next meeting > > Someone should probably make it more clear that THERE WILL BE A > > MEETING AT CRAWSHAW SCHOOL *TOMORROW* AT 7:30PM. > > > > http://www.wlug.org.nz/CrawshawSchool > > > > -- Matthias > > My car is busy ferrying others tonight after I get dropped off at the > school. Is there anyone who is passing through the main city or > thereabouts _after_ the talk? I'd appreciate a lift some of the way > back if possible. > > Thanks. > Sid. >

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Re: [wlug] WineX 2.2.1 just released
by Oliver Jones 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

As an alternative to Wine you could try something like VMWare (or Plex86). I use VMWare a lot to run my accounting package. VMWare works ok on XTerms I believe. I've not tried plex86. Also, you might want to try Crossover Office (www.codeweavers.com) as it runs all of office 2000 pretty well so it might run the app in question. I use CodeWeavers other product (Crossover Plugin) to run Quicktime et al under Linux. Regards On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 22:12, Greig McGill wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:10, Oliver Jones wrote: > > As I have mentioned on this list before, I subscribed to TransGaming's > > WineX software. For those of you who don't know, WineX is a commerical > > fork of the WINE codebase specifically intended for gaming. > > This got me thinking. > > At work, I have a client who would benefit greatly by moving to Linux > desktops, and remote X apps. The only issue (and isn't it always?) is > that they are dependent on one really crappy windows app. > I've tried using std. wine, but with little success (as with most real > windows apps and wine in my experience). I wondered if winex fares much > better for non-games related software? > > Have you tried any random windows apps? > > I'd love to hear the results. -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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I wiki'ed my drive partitioning advice.
by Oliver Jones 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

I wiki'ed my drive partitioning advice. Arn't I nice and helpful.. ;) www.wlug.org.nz/DrivePartitioning Additional edits/advice would probably be good. Later -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] RedHat 8 CD-R's
by Oliver Jones 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

Yeah good idea. Thanks for that. Regards On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 19:23, Aaron Martin wrote: They are actually on the Jetstream games ftp server, so you can change the login on your jetstream modem / router to user(a)jetstreamgames.co.nz and then download them at high speed for free. I just did it and it took 1 hour 15 minutes to download. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver Jones To: Waikato Linux Users Group Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: [wlug] RedHat 8 CD-R's Can someone please write me out a set of RH8 CDR's and mail them to me. I'm willing to re-emburse for time and media. I just can't afford to download the ISO's myself on my JetStream link. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238 -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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RE: [wlug] wlug seal
by David Nicholls 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

or then theres this... just for fun... -----Original Message----- From: Martin Baehr [mailto:mbaehr(a)email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at] Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2002 9:18 a.m. To: David Nicholls Cc: WLUG (E-mail) Subject: Re: [wlug] wlug seal On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:06:09AM +1200, David Nicholls wrote: > simple easy and quick.... specially for a rubber stamp. > comments? nice, the text micht be rotated a bit to have the (incorporated) right at the bottom. greetings, martin. -- interrested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer travelling in europe open-steam.org csl-gmbh.net (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unix bahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/

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Re: [wlug] filesystems for large drives
by Daniel Lawson 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

> > >It was pointed out on some list I can't remember some while ago that >commercial fs's like xfs and jfs have a huge(!) amount of testing >capability behind them in the lab with facilities individual open >source developers simply don't have. That discussion was only covering >one of IBM or SGI, but I'd guess it holds for both. > > You are implying that all open-source projects are run by individuals? Redhat at least might beg to differ... :) >Personally I would trust reiserfs, xfs and jfs but not ext3 but ext3 is >out anyway. If it's not out of the box by the distro it's dead. > > I'm not sure what you are saying here? I read the above as saying that ext3 isn't 'out of the box' - which it is? Just confusing wording I guess. >Various file systems are optimised for various things like small file >support, nfs support, etc. I don't know enough about it, but the >reiserfs site has good concise info at what reiserfs is good at and >what isn't implemented yet. I guess if you really wanted to know you'd >have to put the same files on all three and test with the situation >which is most important to you. > As a reiserfs advocate, you might know: Does NFS work over reiser yet? I had reiser corruption once, when I foolishly NFS mounted my home partition (a reiser volume). And a quick google search should uncover plenty of benchmarks on fs comparison. Of course, they always show their benchmarkers favourite fs as being the best, but thats what you get with benchmarks... :) Daniel

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Re: [wlug] Compiling a kernel for a different machine
by Andrew Thrift 22 Sep '02

22 Sep '02

I do this often on my machines as I have two with Asus P3V4X's that wont compile 2.4 kernels and so have to compile the kernel on another board then FTP it accross. I do: cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.19 make menuconfig make dep && make bzImage && make modules tar -czf ~/kernel.tar.gz * then I ssh into the destined machine, ftp the kernel.tar.gz over to my home directory then. cd /usr/src mkdir linux-2.4.19 tar -xzvf ~/kernel.tar.gz make modules-install && cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19 then edit grub.conf or lilo.conf as usual and point it to the new fandangled kernel. What I do is configure ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Purvis" <matt(a)purvis.co.nz> To: "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [wlug] Compiling a kernel for a different machine > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Colin Palmer wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > > > > I would like to compile it on my desktop machine. > > > Apart from making sure it is correctly configured for the laptop hardware, > > > what do I have to do. > > > For instance, "make modules_install" will obviously not magically wisk the > > > modules over to the laptop. > > > What files need to go where? > > > > Since you mention it's a Debian install, 'man make-kpkg' might be > > helpful. Build the kernel and modules into a package file on your desktop > > box, copy that across to the laptop and install it with dpkg. > > Another method, if you're not using Debian, or want to do it manually for > any reason, is to edit the Makefile and change the directory where > modules_install will put the modules. > > Search for INSTALL_MOD_PATH in your Makefile (or specify it before the > "modules_install:" line if there isn't an INSTALL_MOD_PATH in there). For > example: > > INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/tmp/laptop-kernel > > Then run the command "make -n modules_install" to verify that the modules > will go into the right place (the -n option on make will just print the > commands to be executed). When it's correct, run "make modules_install", > then tar up the modules and put them onto your laptop. > > Matt > > >

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Re: [wlug] filesystems for large drives
by Volker Kuhlmann 22 Sep '02

22 Sep '02

> I'd be interested to know what journalling file systems people are using > on large drives and how reliable they've been. reiserfs, very reliable, fast, very easy. Out of the box with quota support, in 3 weeks with acl support out of the box (likewise for xfs, jfs, and ext3). Can put on root fs with zero trouble (been able to do that for years). Also out of the box are xfs, jfs, and ext3. From reading a very few things about journalling filesystems recently I get the impression that ext3 has too many limitations and isn't as well tested as the others. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.orcon.net.nz/ Please do not CC list postings to me.

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Re: [wlug] linux backup
by Matthias Dallmeier 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

Daniel Lawson wrote: > Interesting, because perry just wrote a script that does the same thing, > more or less. His looks a lot better tho ;) (uses rsync for suitable > things, has better support for adding in new things to backup, etc) So where can I find a copy of Perry's backup script? And is it written in Perl? -- Matthias

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Secure email transmission, GPG ?
by Andrew Thrift 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

O.k. I have a PHP based web-shop that as an order is entered emails me the credit card details in un-encrypted form. What I want to do is use gpg to encrypt these mails with a secret key so that only I can read them. I have very little knowledge of the workings of PGP/GPG but from perusing the man pages and README I have figured I can take the following approach: 1. An order is entered, PHP dumps data to a temp file 2. gpg is called to encrypt this. 3. encrypted file is sent to myself using unix mail command. Is this the only way of doing it, or is their an easier way? Thanks, Andrew Thrift

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RE: [wlug] Secure email transmission, GPG ?
by Andrew Bryan 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

that might do it... but it seems a little redundant since (it sounds like) the credit card numbers are going to travel in unencrypted plain text from the clients machine to your web server... or are your running SSL over HTTP? -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Thrift [mailto:andrew(a)millenniumtechnology.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 09:39 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] Secure email transmission, GPG ? O.k. I have a PHP based web-shop that as an order is entered emails me the credit card details in un-encrypted form. What I want to do is use gpg to encrypt these mails with a secret key so that only I can read them. I have very little knowledge of the workings of PGP/GPG but from perusing the man pages and README I have figured I can take the following approach: 1. An order is entered, PHP dumps data to a temp file 2. gpg is called to encrypt this. 3. encrypted file is sent to myself using unix mail command. Is this the only way of doing it, or is their an easier way? Thanks, Andrew Thrift

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Hello,meeting notice
by vinceh 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

------------------ Virus Warning Message ------------------ VALUE.pif is removed from here because it contains a virus. ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ Virus Warning Message ------------------ Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file VALUE.pif The uncleanable file is deleted. -------------------------------------------------------------

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Hard drive
by Craig Box 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

I have a variety of PC bits floating around in my shed. I've got a dumb terminal or two, a couple of AT cases & PSUs with 486SX's and 30 pin RAM in them, a 120mb HDD in my drawer, and they're all taking up space that I'm going to need to free sometime soon. Free to a good home. Email off list if you want anything (Someone, please... ) There's almost enough guts here for someones first Linux router, although I'm sure you could pick up a Pentium class machine for about the same price. Might also be good for smashing. BTW, have I missed the radio club's sale day? Craig

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Radio Club Surplus Sale
by Lynette Mckenna 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

Is that this weekend?

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Kspread sheets
by Dave Foxcroft 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

Hi, My name is Cindy. I am curious as to the difference between linex kspreadshets and windows excel spreadsheets. In excel you can freeze frames, can you do this in linex? I have tried the help thingie, but cant get direction like I can with excel? Should I give up? Can anyone there help me? Cindy alias Desperate

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Re: [wlug] Memory Error?
by Paul MacDonald 19 Aug '02

19 Aug '02

> duel boot heh, sounds about right. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Heise" <fordfairlanelover(a)yahoo.co.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: [wlug] Memory Error?

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Re: [wlug] cups
by V K 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

> I am running cups as the printer daemon under Suse 8.0. Rpm -q cups > reveals version 1.1.12-69 is installed. Ensure your yast modules for cups are current. There were updates. Did you use yast to configure it or did you do it the long way? http://sdb.suse.de/de/sdb/html/jsmeix_print-cups.html http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/jsmeix_print-cups.html might tell you something. I briefly switched to cups and didn't think it was as well supported, I didn't like it and went back to lprng. lprng does page counting by default, though I'd find it much more useful if it accounted for the ink used as paper costs nothing in comparison... Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.orcon.net.nz/ Please do not CC list postings to me.

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Re: [wlug] SMTP server
by Paul MacDonald 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Thank you to all those who offered suggestions on this subject. I have got permission from the local admin to use their SMTP server when not at home. When at home I can either use the ISP's server or set up my own. So all is now well. Now I just gotta figure out Mutt... looks good though. Paul.

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linux cd's
by SG 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

Hi all Hey long time no see.. great to see all the development going on and the excellent wlug wiki web pages! Easy to navigate ones way around.. I would like to get a recent copy of Red Hat or Mandrake off someone to set up at home and work if poss.. would be cool.. Also.. does anybody know or worked with a distro called RTLinux... for real time programming stuff. - possibilities for where I work :) Cheers Simon

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Re: [wlug] GPG test
by Oliver Jones 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

It does not appear to. But we can't expect too much for version 1.0.x Does evolution not automagically d/l keys on demand? I know I've got mutt set up to (which puts an annoying pause in while it d/l's it when I get a message from someone new) -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] GPG/PGP key signing
by Paul MacDonald 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Hmm, I don't see a button for this in Hotmail. ;-) BTW, does anyone know of free e-mail accounts that are not WWW browser based? Though it would be good to have in addition to POP3 et al. P. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: [wlug] Debian /etc/*
by Paul MacDonald 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Hmm, perhaps I should clarify this. Could still boot original install of Debian. cp /etc/* /mnt/hdb1/etc/ (with recursion option on -r or -R ...I forget) ^^^^win98 install with spare space. Re-install - everything on ext2 partitions. cp -f /mnt/hdb1/etc/* /etc/ problems begin... --- I have been thinking since my initial post. Another re-install will be the least troublesome way to remedy this. I was hoping to fix it the tricky way but that doesn't seem to have served well so far. :-) Oh well, a lesson learned. Fortunately I found a utility (now where did I put that...) to read ext2 partitions from windows so all that apt-get over modem is not wasted. Seeya, Paul. --- >From: Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> >Reply-To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Subject: Re: [wlug] Debian /etc/* >Date: 19 Jul 2002 17:11:04 +1200 > >Question: Why on earth did you have your /etc on a FAT partition in the >first place??? > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: [wlug] GPG/PGP key signing
by Oliver Jones 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Naughty perry: This message is digitally signed but can not be proven to be authentic. gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) gpg: armor header: Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid gpg: Signature made Fri 19 Jul 2002 21:12:52 NZST using DSA key ID 2F33F144 gpg: BAD signature from "Perry Lorier (Local network) <perry(a)coders.tla>" I imported your key as you posted it on the Wiki and it doesn't seem to work. Or you're using a different key to sign you message to the list. On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 21:12, Perry Lorier wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I figured I might as well start using this little GnuPG thing... > I used to use my gpg key a lot, but had problems with OE not being able to read my emails, which sucks, since one of the major reasons I wanted it was to email votes for various projects I'm associated and the person that collated the ballots used OE. Uh. > I've added a link to my public key on my Wiki Page... > http://coders.meta.net.nz/wlug/OliverJones I just included mine on my page :) > My email client (Evolution) even supports GnuPG quite well. I beleive you > can get some sort of plugin for Mozilla. mutt supports it really well too, and supports it according to the RFC, unfortunately, OE doesn't, and doesn't show the email at all :( Recently however mutt has added an option to do it stupidly that OE can (hopefully) read. This is one of my first test emails with it :) > Outlook Express on the other hand doesn't have a clue what's going on... Shouldn't be a problem for this list, right? <runs, grinning and ducking> - -- <doogie> Debian - All the power, without the silly hat. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid iEYEARECAAYFAj032BQACgkQcAgRpy8z8USGNgCbBWssUgozEUk7DktuembqRqrd rZAAoIp21NYAVxUEr5aF9/tx769KLFmO =i67V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Oliver Jones > Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] GPG/PGP key signing
by Craig Box 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

> > If you must use a windows email client, The Bat! supports PGP key's very > > nicely. > > > > Ah, I don't use Windows email clients, or in fact windows at all, the > problem is people using windows who can't read my emails :( Especially when people exploit a bug in Outlook's mime routines to hide their messages for anyone who doesn't want to have to run them through "View Source"! I've disabled the priority column in my message view because of you, too :) Personally, in the most part, I trust that you're really you, and have always considered PGP unnecessary for day to day use. I'd like an e-mail client to hide PGP blocks and perhaps just tell me if a message is signed or unsigned automatically. Craig

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GPG/PGP Key Signing
by Craig Mckenna 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

I'm interested in getting some more signatures on my GPG keys anyone interested in signing/ having me/others sign theirs, bring your passport and GPG/PGP fingerprint with you to WLUG meeting on monday I'm going to attempt to write up some notes on the Wiki[1] about how to sign keys etc [1] http://coders.meta.net.nz/wlug/ -- -- Craig Mckenna IT Systems Manager Eforms Limited

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Re: [wlug] installing Mandrake
by Gian Perrone 12 Jul '02

12 Jul '02

You should be able to, although it might be a good idea to check out a Linux hardware compatability list (url, anyone?). Otherwise it could be that the X server is bombing out, in which case it should be leaving error messages for you. Cheers, Gian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan White" <moele(a)paradise.net.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: [wlug] installing Mandrake > I am trying to install Mandrake 8.0 onto a Toshiba Satellite 4000 cds laptop computer and am having a little trouble. > I have it working but it only seems to be installed as text. Somebody told me yesterday that this > particular laptop may not be compatible with linux. > I have it dual booting with windows 98 on a 233 pentium 2 processor with 64mb ram. > It has a Chips & Technologies 65555 PCI [Display adapter] > Can anyone tell me if I should be able to install Linux on it and how do I make Mandrake install > something that looks similar to windows. > Thank you, Allan White

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Re: [wlug] The Waikato Wlug Wiki
by Paul MacDonald 27 Jun '02

27 Jun '02

weeee, this thing is cool. Does anyone know how to post text verbatim (to a wiki page)? i.e. tell the wiki to ignore formatting commands for the whole document? P. >From: Perry Lorier <perry(a)coders.net> >Reply-To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: [wlug] The Waikato Wlug Wiki _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Part-Time Work (Off-Topic)
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

Hello there, Apologies for the Off-topic Post but, I thought I might place this post to the list before I publically advertise this position in the newspapers. Net4U Limited is looking for a Part Time Staff at the moment. The person would be required to attend to helpdesk enquiries a typical ISP would encounter. A brief job description is as follows: The support staff will be required to run a helpdesk for Net4U from home (more information on how we intend to do this can be obtained by e-mailing me). The person should have knowledge of configuring Dialup/ADSL Connections on various operating systems. Linux knowledge is a bonus, however you won't need "hi-tech" skills. Knowledge on Frame/ATM Networks would also be an advantage. You don't have to be a 100% technical minded person, we can make you one in no time provided you are somebody who is trustworthy and keen to learn and work in a team environment of 3 other staff. Regards, Sahil Gupta Net4U Limited --------------------------------------------------------------------- Net4U Limited - New Zealands Premier Internet Service Provider -- Home of the new $24.95 Global Dialup / JetStart Service -- Visit http://www.net4u.co.nz for further information ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [wlug] administrivia
by James Spooner 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

I'm a fan of Reply-to Munging. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver Jones To: Mr. Daniel Lawson Cc: Waikato Linux Users Group Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [wlug] administrivia I'm not a fan of Reply-to munging. Even though I get caught out and don't press reply to all sometimes. But I don't really care either way. Later

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Library
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

Can we not request the Hamilton City Council / Waikato University to allot us some space that is for the members of the WLUG? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Net4U Limited - New Zealands Premier Internet Service Provider -- Home of the new $24.95 Global Dialup / JetStart Service -- Visit http://www.net4u.co.nz for further information --------------------------------------------------------------------- On 24 Jun 2002 colinp(a)list.waikato.ac.nz wrote: > <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206242315560.23291-100000(a)helium.element.meta.net.nz> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:19:08 +1200 > From: "<s.yeates(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz>" <say1(a)goblin.cs.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-Id: <E17McAx-0007IQ-00(a)orc.cs.waikato.ac.nz> > X-BeenThere: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: s.yeates(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz > List-Id: wlug <wlug.list.waikato.ac.nz> > List-Post: <mailto:wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > List-Subscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug>, > <mailto:wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=subscribe> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug>, > <mailto:wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/wlug> > List-Help: <mailto:wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=help> > > > > 3) WLUG Library. > > > > We've noticed that DunLUG have a very extensive members-only library. This > > is a Good Idea (TM). Its probably not doable out of members subscriptions > > alone, so we need some form of sponsorship. This is perhaps the biggest > > incentive for people to pay their subs, so its a good one to chase up > > I'm on the committee of the ACM student chapter at Waikato and we've had a > great deal of success in getting things for our library (especially software > development kits from people like Apple and microsoft) by just by asking > companies. If you're looking for technical type books, use the something > like Barnes & Noble / Amazons Associates to raise money? > > stuart > > > -- stuart yeates <s.yeates(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> aka `loam' > "To err is human--but it feels divine." -- Mae West > X-no-archive:yes > >

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Re: [wlug] Debian Apt Archive
by Glenn Ramsey 15 May '02

15 May '02

Hi Matt, You can do this with dpkg-scanpackages, and then you put a line like deb file:/path/to/.deb/files icantrememberwhatthisdoes/ in your /etc/apt/sources.list or something like that. Another (much better IMO) solution for the future is to use apt-proxy, it has some nice features for automatically keeping your archive dir clean. g Matt Brown wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have a package archive that apt has built on my debian box over a few > months of use etc, I am now installing a new machine and want it to use > those packages as a repository so I don't have to download all ~400MB > again over my 56k modem. > > I heard rumours about a tool that put these packages into a format the > apt/deselect would recognise and access from another computer - is this > true? Can anyone tell me how I might do this? > > Thanks > > Matt -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.com> 025 263 1932 http://www.componic.co.nz 07 868 3881

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Re: [wlug] Download copies of Red Hat Linux 7.3 on CD-ROMs (fwd)
by Gible Fog 08 May '02

08 May '02

At 11:30 8/05/02 +1200, you wrote: >Any suggestions on what can be done about stupid spammers from Wellington >giving Linux a bad name? www.spamcop.net :) ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Download copies of Red Hat Linux 7.3 on CD-ROMs (fwd)
by Matthias Dallmeier 07 May '02

07 May '02

Any suggestions on what can be done about stupid spammers from Wellington giving Linux a bad name? -- Matthias

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Re: [wlug] WLUG meeting is tonight
by Daniel Lawson 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

> Today is 22/04/2002 > The WLUG meeting is tonight Where is it and who is talking? Daniel ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Meeting suggestion
by Daniel Lawson 13 Apr '02

13 Apr '02

I think perry should give a talk on regex's. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] ENQ?
by Gavin Denby 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

Yeah, we be about, but doing cool things like getting linux running nice on my ibm thinkpad 560X laptop. All i need to solve now is the soundcad and I hoe and hosed. Just used it to finish my monthly accounts, so I feeling doubaly happy right now. On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 18:45, GREGORY PAUL,HARRIS wrote: > Anyone still alive out there? > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] ENQ?
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

Everyone is me thinkz. On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, GREGORY PAUL,HARRIS wrote: > Anyone still alive out there? > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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text book
by Dave Smylie 04 Mar '02

04 Mar '02

Hi Guys knowing that a few of you have done/are doing a comp sci degree at uni, does anyone have a copy of this books that they would be willing to sell/lend/hire/give me? Stuart Russell, Peter Norvig, Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach, Prentice Hall, 1995 Cheers Dave ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: Linmodems
by David Anderson 16 Feb '02

16 Feb '02

I had real problems setting up a LinModem in my laptop under linux, but end the end got it to work... i wrote every thing down that i had to do to get my modem to work and put it here.. http://jove.prohosting.com/~techinfo/ltmodem/ It may not be exactly the correct setup for you, but it might give you some ideas of what to do... but find the the latest drivers before you start... Dave ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] x2x Configuration
by Rudi Prinsloo 08 Feb '02

08 Feb '02

Hi, Well the server I'm talking about is in South Africa. Needless to say that bandwith is as expensive (or more) as gold down there. The mail server belongs to an ISP I used to work for. It serves more than 40 000 customers on a 5mb pipe(local)! The international pipe is even smaller! Get the picture? ;) ciao RP >From: Martin Baehr <mbaehr(a)email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at> >Reply-To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >To: Rudi Prinsloo <rudiprinsloo(a)hotmail.com> >CC: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: Re: [wlug] x2x Configuration >Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:41:29 +0100 > >On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 02:17:11PM +1300, Rudi Prinsloo wrote: > > Sorry about that, but I dont have another mail account yet except one >whose > > mail server is 12000km away and therefore too slow. > >huh? >i never stopped using my mailaccaunt in austria, >be it from the US, new zealand, japan, korea... >besides, hotmail is in the US which is not that close either... > >greetings, martin. >-- >i am looking for a job anywhere in the world, doing pike programming, >caudium/pike/roxen training, roxen/caudium and/or unix system >administration. >-- >pike programmer Traveling in Korea >(www|db).hb2.tuwien.ac.at >unix (iaeste|bahai).or.at >(www.archlab|iaeste).tuwien.ac.at >systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org mud.at >is.(schon.org|root.at) >Martin B"ahr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/ >------------ >WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group >WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz >To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. Kind Regards Rudi Prinsloo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] delay clearing of a pop account.
by Martin Baehr 05 Feb '02

05 Feb '02

On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 08:05:16PM +1300, Gavin Denby wrote: > Care to point me to a suitable IMAP howto, I can get mail with > fetchmail, but then i will have to set up the rest, and all the rules > for what mail goes where and to whom. My last attempt to get IMAP rnning > was a complete disaster. using fetchmail would defeat the point of using an imap-server. if i read you correctly, your pop accounts are from your provider. thus in order to replace pop, your provider would have to give you imap access instead, which then you would access with an imap client. however i assume you want all the mail copied to your local machine, and work on it offline. for this imap does not help. and you certainly do not need an imap-server on your local machine. greetings, martin. -- i am looking for a job anywhere in the world, doing pike programming, caudium/pike/roxen training, roxen/caudium and/or unix system administration. -- pike programmer Traveling in Korea (www|db).hb2.tuwien.ac.at unix (iaeste|bahai).or.at (www.archlab|iaeste).tuwien.ac.at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org mud.at is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin B"ahr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/ ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Dynamic DNS Service
by Aaron Martin 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

As some of you know, I am planning to start a Dynamic DNS service of my own, which will allow people to host real world (i.e. .co.nz) domains on their dynamic ip connections. This is not really aimed at dial-up users, but more at *cough* broadband 'always on' connections (i.e. JetStart). Most of the scripts are complete, and my tests so far have gone well. However, I would like to start a trial with a few people soon. So if you are interested, please fill in the form at the following link, and I will select a few people in the next week to begin the trial. http://www.comtek.co.nz/dyndns/ Cheers, Aaron Martin.

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Re: [wlug] Software/Email as a Good.
by John R. McPherson 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:48:37PM +1300, Gavin Denby wrote: > > I know this sounds silly, but I got hit with this some years ago when I > sold/Made a headset for a cellphone for a cyclist. I gave Clear warnings > on the dangers of using it while riding, Needless to say he ignored > them, had a crash, We got the blame for him using it while riding as we > did not warn him that his hearing could be impared if he wore it while > not actually talking on the phone, but wearing it just in case he got a > phone call. > > It was the last one we ever made. Heh, completely off-topic, but reminds me of something (possibly an urban legend) that to poke some fun at the warnings required on labels, Husqvarna put out a chainsaw with a warning label "warning - chain is sharp. Do not stop with hands or genitals". Or the lady in the states who tried to sue a pharmaceutical because after eating spermicide and then having intercourse, she got pregnant. How obvious do things have to be? The Consumer Guarantee Act uses the word "reasonable" a lot, leaving it up to the judge or jury to decide what is reasonable. I think juries (and judges) could have a lot of difficulty if some obscure technical problem occurred - would you expect to explain how BGP routing works? On the other hand, Telecom advertises Jetstart as "up to 5 times faster than a dial-up modem", but Jetstart (with xtra at least) appears to be massively over-subscribed, although I haven't noticed that much of a slow-down on the Ham. East exchange. But you should see the bitching in xtra.adsl about peak-time slowdowns. John McPherson ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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