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RE: [wlug] Gnoppix and Knoppix
by Bo Wang 04 Apr '04

04 Apr '04

thanks for your help anyway. but i have got a couple of wlug knoppix live cds on hand. i am just very keen to try knoppix 3.4 and Gnoppix. -----Original Message----- From: mglb1-forwarding Sent: Sun 4/04/2004 5:40 p.m. To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Gnoppix and Knoppix I couldn't find any NZ download mirrors for Knoppix when I downloaded it early last month and I believe the situation is similar for Gnoppix. They both have several australian mirrors however. On the other hand if you come past G1.02 tommorrow I can give you a copy of two of WLUG Knoppix which we created for the recent Introduction to Linux tutorials. It is basically Knoppix 3.3 with some very minor cosmetic changes. I also have quite and old version of Gnoppix that I could burn to a CD for you, but I suspect that you will be better served downloading a newer copy yourself as I could never get this version working. Regards On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 17:19, Bo Wang wrote: > is there anyone knows where i can download latest Gnoppix and Knoppix from? > i am prefer a domestic ftp or websize. > > regards > > Beau > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greig McGill [mailto:greig(a)hamiltron.net] > Sent: Sun 4/04/2004 1:57 p.m. > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Cc: > Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: End of Life for Red Hat Linux 9] > > > > Well, I assumed it went without saying that no one would run a production > server on anything other than stable... > > Clearly not. Assume any ref. to "Debian" from me is actually referring to > "Debian stable (woody)". > > G. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Le Vaillant" <jfl2(a)myrealbox.com> > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: End of Life for Red Hat Linux 9] > > > > Kyle Carter wrote: > > > > >id love to use debian if it wasnt so last year (if not even older) > > >maybe this is my chance to find something else. > > > > > Now, hang on. When we talk about "debian", do we mean stable, testing or > > unstable? > > > > Other distros seem comparable to unstable, as opposed to stable, where > > packages are tested for months (or years) before inclusion. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Matt Brown Email: matt(a)mattb.net.nz GSM : 021 611 544 _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Gnoppix and Knoppix
by Bo Wang 04 Apr '04

04 Apr '04

is there anyone knows where i can download latest Gnoppix and Knoppix from? i am prefer a domestic ftp or websize. regards Beau -----Original Message----- From: Greig McGill [mailto:greig(a)hamiltron.net] Sent: Sun 4/04/2004 1:57 p.m. To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: End of Life for Red Hat Linux 9] Well, I assumed it went without saying that no one would run a production server on anything other than stable... Clearly not. Assume any ref. to "Debian" from me is actually referring to "Debian stable (woody)". G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Le Vaillant" <jfl2(a)myrealbox.com> To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: End of Life for Red Hat Linux 9] > Kyle Carter wrote: > > >id love to use debian if it wasnt so last year (if not even older) > >maybe this is my chance to find something else. > > > Now, hang on. When we talk about "debian", do we mean stable, testing or > unstable? > > Other distros seem comparable to unstable, as opposed to stable, where > packages are tested for months (or years) before inclusion. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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What happened to the site?
by A. Pagaltzis 02 Apr '04

02 Apr '04

Hi all, what's going on? 404 on every page? Did someone screw up an alias in the serverconfig or something? (Also, hi to everyone on the list, of which some will recognize my name already. ;) ) -- Regards, Aristotle "If you can't laugh at yourself, you don't take life seriously enough."

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Releases and thigns
by Craig Box 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

Fedora Core 2 test 2 has been released; if you're interested in a copy a couple of local people have it. Post to the list, perhaps (I haven't got my copy just yet, so don't ask me direct). Warning, it's for testing, it breaks things [1] It's not for general home users. GNOME 2.6 has been released today; check out the release notes at http://www.gnome.org/start/2.6/notes/ or some screenshots at http://fgo-temp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/teams/marketing/en/2004/two-six-screens hots/html/ FC2 will have Gnome 2.6, but seeing as it came out a couple of days ago, it's only running 2.5rc. Fedora Core 2 comes with SELinux installed and enabled by default. SELinux is the NSA's patches for the Linux kernel to provide Mandatory Access Control - a way to, for example, lock your web server so it can't run anything outside of the commands apache uses and requires. There's a FAQ on it at http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html, or a good general introduction can be found at http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=20372&group_id=21266. Craig [1] If you don't set SELinux up right, and FC2t2 is a test release, things don't run. You might not want it!

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reply
by Tammy Kaye Griffith 31 Mar '04

31 Mar '04

Could you please remove my name;TikiGriffy,off your User Group ;ASAP. I do not know enough about computers yet and maybe in the future,I will be able to join. I haven't sent anything to Waikato except this request. Thank You,TK

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WaikatoLinuxUsersGroup
by Tammy Kaye Griffith 29 Mar '04

29 Mar '04

Could you please remove my name;TikiGriffy from the group. I am not experienced enough with my computer to know enough about how to belong to a group such as yours,maybe in the future? Please remove me from the mailing list and the Waikato Group;ASAP. Thank You, TikiGriffy

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Book for the library
by s swami 29 Mar '04

29 Mar '04

I have these books for loan to the wlug lib: Python In A Nutshell Alex Martelli (2003) - An excellent intro if you've had some previous experience with a programming language. You may not need another book. Sams Teach Yourself Perl in 24 hours Clinton Pierce (2nd Ed, 2002) - This gives a simple first look at Perl. You may not want another book ;-) Am happy to bring them to the next wlug meeting. -Sid. P.S. Are user contributions useful and encouraged or are publishers our main source.

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Half Height network card
by Aaron Martin 29 Mar '04

29 Mar '04

Does anyone know where I can buy a half height (for micro atx case) pci network cards which work in linux?

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Re: Re: [wlug] apache, mySQL and pHp
by Stephen Pearce 25 Mar '04

25 Mar '04

Thank you for all the advise. Yes, you are correct about the ICU abbreviation ... there is some open source medical software, but it doesn't fit our requirements here. I will peruse some of the links you gave me and then get back to some of you. I have previously installed apache on another system, but then got lost setting up the local pages .. I thought I would do a staged implementation .. getting apache going then maybe pHp .. about which I know little .. and the MySQL .................. As a first q Can someone tell me where to put index.html once apche is installed .. so that it pops up when a remote system probes? ................... The breadth and speed of responces goes to reinforce my bias toward an open source solution Thank you all again Stephen > > From: "Mark Grimshaw" <mark(a)sirfragalot.com> > Date: 2004/03/25 Thu PM 12:28:17 GMT+12:00 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] apache, mySQL and pHp > > LOL - no offense but I couldn't resist.... > > > > I don't know what ICU is, but have you tried looking for existing open > > source apps that already provide the functionality or that provide > > most of it so that you only have to add the bits you want? > > I assume, from the context, that ICU is 'Intensive Care Unit' - I don't > think there is an open source ICU solution..... > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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apache, mySQL and pHp
by Stephen Pearce 25 Mar '04

25 Mar '04

Hi Is there anyone who could guide me thru the installation and setting up of a MySQL database using pHp and apache. This is for an ICU database in a hospital .. so not a strictly commercial objective Thanks Stephen Pearce

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Upgrading from RH9 to Fedora Core 1.
by Oliver Jones 22 Mar '04

22 Mar '04

I decided to upgrade from RH9 to FC1 on the weekend. Below is my experience which I thought I might share with the rest of the LUG. My system was quite heavily modified with Ximian and FreshRPMs packages for RH9. So I figured I couldn't just do a from CD "upgrade" install. The first thing I did was install yum a package manager similar to apt but for RPMs. Yum comes with FC1. I could have also installed apt for RPM too. But I was more familiar with yum. I then copied all the RPMs off the FC1 CDs I have onto my hard disk. I then downloaded the "headers" directory from the fedora core ftp server. Yum uses .hdr files to resolve dependencies. It uses headers rather than downloading the rpms because this is much more network efficient. I then configured yum to use file:/// urls to get the files off my hard disk. I then started going over my installed RPMs finding Ximain and FreshRPM versions and replacing them where Icould with FC1 versions using yum. This was an easy process of erasing the installed versions and then issuing "yum install package-name". Once I had eradicated these troublesome packages I replaced the firstboot, redhat-config-securitylevel, and lokkit packages as I read on the web they can cause install issues. Then I started manually replacing 'core' packages like glibc, basesystem, redora-release, rpm, popt etc etc. I should have also replaced libzlib, libbzip2 and others.... I learned that lesson later. :) Then issued a "yum update". This started inspecting all my packages and upgrading them. About half way though the update I had a thought, started doubting the command I had entered was doing the right thing and decided I'd stop yum with Ctrl-C, check the command and start yum again. BAD IDEA!!!! This had the effect of A) breaking yum so I couldn't use it anymore due to python errors and B) of completely hosing my RPM database. My system thought that it had installed multiple version of most of my packages. I spent the next 6 hours rebuilding my system with rpm manually. This consisted of producing a list of all installed RPMS (including dupes) and running rpm --force -Uvh on all these packages and resolving dependencies by hand. This was a painful exercise. Once that was done I did a further rpm -Fvh *.rpm in the fedora core RPMS directory. By this time yum was back to working. I then reconfigured it to use some Fedora mirrors. I also configured it to use the Fedora.us and Livna.org yum repositories. Fedora.us and livna.org have lots of extra goodies to install. I issued a "yum update" and yum began to sync up my box with all the latest package updates and also a swag of replacements for FreshRPM RPMS I had installed. My system is now in relatively good working order. But it certainly was a mission to get it there. Everything would have been soooo much easier had I resisted the temptation to Ctrl-C yum when it was working on my system in the first place. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Meeting is tonight
by Daniel Lawson 21 Mar '04

21 Mar '04

The March meeting of the Waikato Linux User's Group is tonight. It will be held in SG.01 at Waikato University, from about 7:30 pm onwards. The topic will be a guided install of linux. See http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2004-03-22 for maps and more information. Daniel

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Installation of Linux - University of Waikato, SG01, 7:30pm A guide for new users, which will include a live Linux installation to show everyone exactly how easy it can be! After the main presentation we will have plenty of time for questions and answers. If you are having problems getting linux installed it would be a great time to ask. We won't have many facilities for plugging in machines unfortunately but we will be holding an InstallFest sometime in the very near future. This meeting will be held in SG01 at the University of Waikato. This is the same lecture theatre as the CS Linux Tutorials were held in. !Map |[http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/hillcrest-map.png] %%% |[http://timetable.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/tt-map.pl?term=S&foo=.jpg]

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Mandrake 10 CD's
by rod-a＠hnpl.net 16 Mar '04

16 Mar '04

Does anyone have Mandrake 10 yet? Would you be able to supply CD's at the next WLUG meeting? Roderick Aldridge

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Monday's meeting - Introduction/Demystifying Linux Installation
by Craig Box 16 Mar '04

16 Mar '04

Hi everyone, The upcoming Monday's meeting will have a Linux installation live on the big screen for everyone to see, plus a general question/answer session about Linux installation. We'll be catching all the CS students who have attended our Linux tutorials and we're encouraging everyone who reads the mailing list but hasn't been along to a meeting before because they've thought that they would be over your head, to come. No prior knowledge is required! The meeting is to be held in S.G.01 on the University of Waikato campus - if you're coming from outside, you might like to try Gate 8. A map will be up on the Wiki shortly. MONDAY 22 FEBRUARY, 7:30pm, S Block, University of Waikato (S.G.01)

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WLUG committee meeting
by Craig Box 16 Mar '04

16 Mar '04

Hi everyone, The WLUG committee will meet tomorrow, as per schedule. If you have any items you would like on the agenda, please email them to me. Regards, Craig Box Phone 07 957 2653 IT Partners Ltd Fax 07 957 2659 PO Box 9361 Mobile 021 475 869 Hamilton, New Zealand _________________________________________________________________ #include <standard-disclaimer.h> _________________________________________________________________

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 14 Mar '04

14 Mar '04

The WLUG meeting is one week away ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Installation of Linux A guide for new users, which will include a live Linux installation to show everyone exactly how easy it can be! This meeting will almost certainly be on the University of Waikato campus - exact location to be announced.`

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Voice over IP WLUG meeting & plans for the installation demo meeting after
by Craig Box 11 Mar '04

11 Mar '04

Just another note to say thanks to Nathan Ward for coming down from Auckland on Monday and presenting a meeting on Voice over IP. Nathan covered VoIP from several angles; protocols, software (client and server), and usage, both from an end-to-end perspective and as part of a toll bypass system (where you call from a normal telephone to another one, and get your call shunted onto an IP network along the way.) Thanks also to Gerwin and Computer Upgrades 2000 for providing an excellent venue. Over the next month we will be presenting tutorials to second year University students who will be using Linux as part of their course. The next month's meeting is going to be an introduction meeting for people who want to install Linux, so keep the date free (Monday 22 March) - the meeting will almost certainly be on the University campus but an exact location will be announced soon. We want to try and attract everyone that has felt that meetings have been a bit over their heads, people who have lurked on the list or on the Wiki and want to install Linux for the first time, want a run down on the various distros, pros and cons etc. If there are new users floating around on the list, please let us know what you'd like to see at this meeting - it's for you. The current plan is to run a Linux install live on a projector while the presentation runs so that everyone can see exactly how easy it is. Craig

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Slow typists
by sns＠paradise.net.nz 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

Following Tony's lecture tonight: Were Thompson & Richie really slow on the keyboard? Sid.

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Newbie assistance
by Gun Caundle 09 Mar '04

09 Mar '04

I am wanting some help to set up a RH9 box as a server and firewall. I expect to pay for this as a service. Anyone who is interested please contact me either by e-mail or phone 07 873 6575 wk or 07 873 1831ah. Cheers Gun Caundle

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Memory usage
by Gun Caundle 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

I'm a newbie using RH9 In system monitor is see my memory usage is 303Mb, total 312Mb. CPU usage is between 2% - 5% with no significant processes running. 1. Why is so much memory being used? 2. What could be using it? 3. If a process was running, would the memory become full and start using swap space? Any light on these points would be appreciated. Cheers Gun Caundle

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Re: [wlug] Introduction to Linux Seminars
by DrWho? 28 Feb '04

28 Feb '04

At 17:35 14/02/2004, you wrote: > > > I agree, I think you might need a "cross over" component that explains > > > how to migrate your existing windows into Linux. > > > > And compatibility - > > "I can't use Linux as I need to be able to read and write Microsoft Office > > documents". > > "OF course I won't be able to play WAV or mp3 files on linux will I?". > > "I need to be able to open Windoes images (by this they usually mean > > GIF or JPEG) so linux is no use to me". > > "Linux is Unix isn't it? I couldn't function without my mouse and a > > window". (Hence my worries about the first few seminars.) > >While we may need to show people answers to these questions to make Linux >more attractive, we are not trying to convert these people. They are going >to use Linux, they have to and have no choice if they are to complete >their courses. What we are aiming for primarily with these training is to >help the students use Linux more effectivly for their course requirements >(hence the focus on bash, editors etc). Hopefully if we do a good job of >that we will get students interested in Linux in general. We will make >sure that they realise that WLUG is there for them when/if they want to >make the transition to Linux on machines at home. Teaching them some >things like Linux gaming, wine and even gimp and mp3 players isn't going >to be achieving our goal of helping them with their course related >requirements. I hate to flog the dead horse, but if you make it more attractive for them to use they will be better off then just a "you need to do it" situation. If they get a feeling for what they would normally do in a familiar environment it will be a win win at the end of the day. After all, no one likes too leave their comfort zone, and if they must it would be better for them to do so in a manor that would be easy for them to understand, and if that means exposing them too the side of linux that is not part of the course needs, will it really hurt? One problem I encounter with linux is the "server" impression of linux. Not many people really seem to be aware that linux can be a desktop platform, and as a result fun to use. If you can impose this on the students it would be a good start, in my opinion. Also if the students are using it at home then it will be better for them in a work situation as well. >On the other hand, we have talked about the March WLUG presentation being >an intoductory presentation, perhaps going through installing a distro, >setting it up and showing off solutions to the common issues you have >discussed. Perhaps if we have time and enough interest / help we may >follow this up with an installfest. I think an installfest is long over due... be sure to sing out for help.... >Jamie > > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list >wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Keyboard types
by Glenn Ramsey 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

What is the difference between US and US International keyboards? g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please notice the location for this meeting is one we haven't used before - Computer Upgrades 2000 Ltd, in the court behind McDonalds Te Rapa (on Pukete Rd). There's plenty of signage, and you'll see people you know floating around. The topic for this meeting is [VoIP] (Voice Over [IP|IPv4]) Our guest speaker is NathanWard. PerryLorier has asked me to put in some kind of list of stuff I'll cover in here, so here goes: * Servers * Asterisk * OpenH323 / GNUGK / Open Gatekeeper * 'blackbox' / hardware * Protocols: * [SIP] * [H.323] * MGCP * Skinny * Endpoints * Hardware Phones * 'Soft Phones' * People * What [WLUG] people have been doing so far * What [WLUG] people can do * Other people doing [VoIP] * What I am doing with [VoIP] * Demos (or, things I'd like to demo...) * [VoIP] -> [PSTN] call * [PSTN] -> [VoIP] call * [VoIP] -> [VoIP] call * [PSTN] -> [PSTN] (over [VoIP]) * Voicemail stuff * [IVR]s * VoIP applications * Carrier level: * Toll Bypass * Calling card * Virtual [PABX]/Voicemail/[IVR] networks * Business level: * Toll 'Hopoff' * [PABX]/[IVR]/Voicemail * Personal Level * Long distance calling * Amusing [IVR]s (Note - it won't be in this order, and contents will definately change, etc.)

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Committee minutes
by Craig Box 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

Hi everyone, Just a note to say that the minutes of our last WLUG committee meeting are up on the Wiki at http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2004-02-18, for any interested parties. Things we're doing at the moment: - Setting up (home made) software for the WLUG library - Organising Unix tutorials for 2nd year computer science students at UoW (see http://www.wlug.org.nz/UnixTutorials for details) - Working on getting distibutions/Linux books available from the Hamilton Public Library - Organising a Linux installfest for after the next meeting (we'll discuss this when plans are arranged) - Applying for some funding from the WEL Energy Trust Thanks, Craig

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lsmod command
by Gun Caundle 21 Feb '04

21 Feb '04

Hi I am a newbie using RH 9 and working with the Red Hat Linux Bible by Christopher Negus. He uses a command 'lsmod' which I think is for listing modules. However my version of RH9 doesn't appear to have this command. IE > [root(a)LinuxBox /]# type lsmod > bash: type: lsmod: not found > . Is there another command I could use instead? Cheers Gun Caundle

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Books from O'Reilly
by John R. McPherson 19 Feb '04

19 Feb '04

Hi, O'Reilly (the book publisher) has generously offered to send us some free technical manuals, although I think they are supposed to be for review purposes. If you are a paid up member of WLUG, and would like to see us acquire a book of your choosing (and you are prepared to write up a small review of it), visit http://www.wlug.org.nz/WantedBooks and edit the page. (There is a link to O'Reilly's online catalog... the page linked to is about 400 kB). John McPherson

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Committee meeting this Wednesday
by Craig Box 16 Feb '04

16 Feb '04

Coming up this Wednesday, a WLUG committee meeting. (Seems the 'bot hasn't figured that out yet!) If you'd like anything on the agenda, you will find it at http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2004-02-18 - please e-mail me with anything you'd like discussed, as usual. Craig WLUG Secretariat

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Introduction to Linux Seminars
by Matt Brown 16 Feb '04

16 Feb '04

Hi, In conjunction with the CS Department at Waikato University WLUG is organising a series of seminars aimed at introducing first and second year students to Linux and OSS in general. We are currently in the process of planning these seminars and are looking for comments on what to include and what to leave out. The seminars will run in weeks 2 and 3 of semester A for 3 nights each week. Each seminar will be around 1.5hrs long. Below is a brief outline of what we are currently planning on covering in each seminar. If you have comments or suggestions please let us know. Seminar 1: (Tue 9th Mar) - Introduction to Linux / OSS - What is OSS - What is Linux - What is GNU - Why use Linux - History of Linux - About the Linux Distributions Seminar 2: (Wed 10th Mar) - Bash - A general introduction to bash, what it is, how to use it and tips for performing common tasks. Seminar 3: (Thu 11th Mar) - Emacs - A general introduction to emacs, what it is, how to use it and tips for performing common tasks. Seminar 4: (Tue 16th Mar) - Processes - An introduction to process control in unix systems. We will cover how to start, stop, suspend and kill processes. Seminar 5: (Wed 17th Mar) - Applications - An introduction to useful OSS applications that can be used under linux. This will focus on what is installed in the TSG labs and will probably cover (pending confirmation) - ssh / scp - Mozilla - OpenOffice Seminar 6: (Thu 18th Mar) - Summary / Q&A - A summary of how to put everything that has been taught together, followed by a question and answer session. The popular cheat sheet will be given out again and we are looking at providing each attendee with a copy of Knoppix. Comments welcome :) Regards -- Matt Brown Email: matt(a)mattb.net.nz GSM : 021 611 544

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 Feb '04

15 Feb '04

The WLUG meeting is one week away ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The topic for this meeting is [VoIP] (Voice Over [IP|IPv4]) Guest Speaker: NathanWard PerryLorier has asked me to put in some kind of list of stuff I'll cover in here, so here goes: * Servers * Asterisk * OpenH323 / GNUGK / Open Gatekeeper * 'blackbox' / hardware * Protocols: * [SIP] * [H.323] * MGCP * Skinny * Endpoints * Hardware Phones * 'Soft Phones' * People * What [WLUG] people have been doing so far * What [WLUG] people can do * Other people doing [VoIP] * What I am doing with [VoIP] * Demos (or, things I'd like to demo...) * [VoIP] -> [PSTN] call * [PSTN] -> [VoIP] call * [VoIP] -> [VoIP] call * [PSTN] -> [PSTN] (over [VoIP]) * Voicemail stuff * [IVR]s * VoIP applications * Carrier level: * Toll Bypass * Calling card * Virtual [PABX]/Voicemail/[IVR] networks * Business level: * Toll 'Hopoff' * [PABX]/[IVR]/Voicemail * Personal Level * Long distance calling * Amusing [IVR]s

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[Fwd: PuTTY version 0.54 is released]
by Oliver Jones 12 Feb '04

12 Feb '04

For all you chaps who have windows boxes and access your Linux server/router/workstation via PuTTY.... The most interesting thing is the Unix port. Why he's done this when there are the great OpenSSH apps on most Unixes I don't know. But I guess some people will prefer the GTK front end. Regards -----Forwarded Message----- From: Simon Tatham <anakin(a)pobox.com> To: putty-announce(a)lists.tartarus.org Subject: PuTTY version 0.54 is released Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:41:08 +0000 PuTTY version 0.54 is released ------------------------------ All the pre-built binaries, and the source code, are now available from the PuTTY website at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ Development work on PuTTY for the past year or so has mostly involved taking it apart and putting it back together again for improved portability; so I'm afraid there aren't many visible new features in 0.54. Some of the highlights are: - Dynamic SSH port forwarding. PuTTY can now act as a SOCKS server, and programs using that server will have their connections forwarded over SSH. - PSFTP should now be usefully fast. - When connecting through a proxy (SOCKS or HTTP), PuTTY is now able to let the proxy do the DNS lookup. - Some of the default settings have changed. Notably, the SSH protocol is now the default, and SSH2 is preferred over SSH1. (This will not affect anyone who already has Default Settings stored in their registry, since those override PuTTY's internal defaults.) - Bug fix: forwarding SMB connections over SSH should now work. - Bug fix: the configuration box was slow to respond because it occasionally went looking for printers across the network by accident. It shouldn't do this any more. - A couple of minor vulnerabilities have been fixed (none with very serious impact, or with known exploits). But the _really_ big feature resulting from the substantial rewrite is that there is now a Unix version of most of the PuTTY utilities: - There's a Unix PuTTY and PuTTYtel, which are GTK applications. - There's a Unix Plink, PSCP and PSFTP, which look pretty much exactly like their Windows equivalents. - There's a Unix PuTTYgen, which is a command-line program unlike its Windows counterpart. Anyone who needs to convert OpenSSH or ssh.com private keys into PuTTY format in an automated way may be able to do it using this utility. - There's an entirely new utility: `pterm', which is an xterm clone using the PuTTY terminal emulator. (Again, it uses GTK.) - As yet there is no Unix version of Pageant, but all the utilities can interoperate with OpenSSH's ssh-agent. The Unix port is available from the PuTTY Download page as a source tarball. Enjoy using PuTTY! Cheers, Simon -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] Introduction to Linux Seminars
by Matt Brown 12 Feb '04

12 Feb '04

Umm, I don't think it will be strictly for Uni students, but we will be tailoring a lot of the material to make it useful for people who are using the CS undergraduate labs. We may need to try and get some indication of who many people are wanting to come just so we can book a big enough lecture theatre... Regards On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 00:10, Lindsay Druett wrote: > Is this strictly for Uni students ? > > The reason behind this, is that a friend of mine who does web design > with real things like MySQL, PHP4, uses Java in a more appropriate > manner, but he has, up until I've been hosting his material, or > supporting him with hosting issues, been using Apache, MySQL server, > PHP4 on a Win2K/WinXP box because he is unfamiliar with the Unix > environments. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mglb1-forwarding > > Sent: Friday, 13 February 2004 10:46 > > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Subject: [wlug] Introduction to Linux Seminars > > > > > > Hi, > > > > In conjunction with the CS Department at Waikato University WLUG is > > organising a series of seminars aimed at introducing first and second > > year students to Linux and OSS in general. We are currently in the > > process of planning these seminars and are looking for > > comments on what > > to include and what to leave out. > > > > The seminars will run in weeks 2 and 3 of semester A for 3 nights each > > week. Each seminar will be around 1.5hrs long. Below is a > > brief outline > > of what we are currently planning on covering in each seminar. If you > > have comments or suggestions please let us know. > > > > Seminar 1: (Tue 9th Mar) - Introduction to Linux / OSS > > - What is OSS > > - What is Linux > > - What is GNU > > - Why use Linux > > - History of Linux > > - About the Linux Distributions > > > > Seminar 2: (Wed 10th Mar) - Bash > > - A general introduction to bash, what it is, how to > > use it and tips > > for performing common tasks. > > > > Seminar 3: (Thu 11th Mar) - Emacs > > - A general introduction to emacs, what it is, how to use it and > > tips for performing common tasks. > > > > Seminar 4: (Tue 16th Mar) - Processes > > - An introduction to process control in unix systems. > > We will cover > > how to start, stop, suspend and kill processes. > > > > Seminar 5: (Wed 17th Mar) - Applications > > - An introduction to useful OSS applications that can > > be used under > > linux. This will focus on what is installed in the TSG > > labs and will probably cover (pending confirmation) > > - ssh / scp > > - Mozilla > > - OpenOffice > > > > Seminar 6: (Thu 18th Mar) - Summary / Q&A > > - A summary of how to put everything that has been > > taught together, > > followed by a question and answer session. > > > > The popular cheat sheet will be given out again and we are looking at > > providing each attendee with a copy of Knoppix. > > > > Comments welcome :) > > > > Regards > > > > -- > > Matt Brown > > Email: matt(a)mattb.net.nz > > GSM : 021 611 544 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list > > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- Matt Brown Email: matt(a)mattb.net.nz GSM : 021 611 544

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kate question
by Glenn Ramsey 09 Feb '04

09 Feb '04

Hi, Probably this isn't the best place to ask this but since it's low traffic and I'm not subbed to any of the kde lists.... In the kate editor in kde 3.1.4 there is a block comment feature and the keyboard shortcuts are comment = Ctrl+# and uncomment = Ctrl+Shift+# . I can't get these to work because in order to get Ctrl+# you actually need to do Ctrl+Shift+3. They work fine if you use the menu. I wanted to change the shortcut key but I couldn't find anyplace that allows this particular one to be changed. Does anyone know how to make this shortcut work? Cheers g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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Old bits?
by Kim Shepherd 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

I'm loathe to throw anything away, no matter how useless or old... would it be at all useful if I brought in a few bags worth of NICs, HDDs (mostly old small SCSI), RAM, etc., to the next meeting, or are most of you up to your ears in nostalgic junk already? -k. -- Kim Shepherd Systems Operator/Administrator ITS Systems & Development The University of Waikato, NZ DDI: +64-7-838-4681 Mob: +64-27-240-8682 Mail: kims(a)waikato.ac.nz

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fedora 1 distrubution
by Stephen Pearce 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Could someone provide me with the 6 cd versionof this .. I don't have an adsl connection .. that is the 3 binary disks plus the 3 srpm disks .. I'll pay media cost and postage .. just give me an address Thanks Stephen

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Compiling kernels for Red Hat
by Gerwin van de Steeg 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

The easiest I've found to do this is to use rpmbuild on the spec file, the problem is including your own patches and getting them in the right place without conflicts. The problem I was having was that my patch (LIDS) wasw conflicting with the redhat patches. Never actually tested if it would work. Otherwise there's a base kernel.org spec file available from somewhere but I'd have to find the link to it first in the large heap of miscellaneous links. Gerwin van de Steeg

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managing ip subnets etc
by Stephen Pearce 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

Hi Could someone help with advise please I have a netgear mr814 wireless router with a dedicated adsl connector and 4 10/100mBPS utp sockets. Currently I have my main linux box hocked up via a cable to this .. the mr814 does dhcp allocation .. I do not have an adsl connection, but use a 56k internal modem to connect to my isp who assigns me a dynamic ip number each time I connect. I have found that if I connect to the isp (using kppp) I cannot access the internal netwrk .. including the router (which has its own 192.168.x.x ip number .. similarly although I can dial using kppp and make a connection .. I cannot access the internet when the intenal netwrk is up and running. I presume this is due to confusion about where to send the packets .. to the modem or the lan card. What is the best way to separate out these 2 networks and get them running so .. say I could use a browser on one of the boxes with a wlan card to connect thru the main linjux box and modem to the internet? This is an area of confusion for me .. does ipchanins do something here? Thanks Stephen Pearce

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Compiling kernels for Red Hat
by Craig Box 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

I'm running a 2.6 kernel on my desktop (Red Hat 9) machine, with a RPM from Arjan van de Ven at http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/RPMS.kernel/. I want to take the standard RH kernel (which I try and keep to as much as possible) and patch it for a couple of things, and then build an RPM which is as close to the original version as possible, with just the added extra features. When I unpack the SRPM of the kernel source, I get a /usr/src/linux-2.6.1-whatever directory, and I can run 'make rpm' in that directory after configuration. However, this gives me an RPM that doesn't insert itself in grub.conf and doesn't build an initrd. I assume there is a similar method to Debian's make-kpkg that will build me an all in one RPM, and I just can't find it. I expect one of our local Red Hat gurus (orj?) has battled this before, and I'd love to know what other people do in this situation. Thanks, Craig

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Perl Haiku Poetry Contest
by Craig Box 22 Jan '04

22 Jan '04

From: Elaine Chong [mailto:ElaineC(a)ActiveState.com] Sent: Friday, 23 January 2004 8:37 a.m. Subject: Perl Haiku Poetry Contest Hello, ActiveState is sponsoring a Perl Haiku Poetry Contest. I thought I'd send you the details in case your user group members are interested in participating. Sincerely, Elaine Chong, User Group Program Administrator ActiveState, a division of Sophos http://www.ActiveState.com 604.484.6423 ********************************** Perl Haiku Poetry Contest Tell us why you love Perl VANCOUVER, BC - JANUARY 21, 2004 - ActiveState is pleased to announce the ActiveState Perl Haiku Poetry Contest. Do you love Perl as much as we do? Then prove it with your passion, creativity, and wit! Categories include Best Haiku Poem Written in Perl and Best Haiku Poem About Perl. All entries will be featured on our website. Winners will be selected by ActiveState's Perl development team. Prizes will be awarded for the top three entries in each category and include licenses for ASPN Perl featuring Komodo Professional Edition, and cool ActiveState gear. Enter the contest now! http://activestate.com/Corporate/PerlHaiku/ The deadline for entries is 12:00PM PST, February 8, 2004. Winners will be announced on February 10. Full contest rules are listed here: http://activestate.com/Corporate/PerlHaiku/Legal.html Good luck!

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VGA.
by Oliver Jones 22 Jan '04

22 Jan '04

Forget the VGA. If you want a used 15" monitor with built in speakers I have one here you can have for $20 + Shipping ($30 Mainfreight, so $50 total). Then you could at least use 800x600 which might be acceptable. 640x480 is ridiculously small. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Open Office and VGA Monitors
by Roger 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

A while ago I posted a question asking if it were possible for Open Office to work with Red Hat 8 and an old VGA monitor, because there is a problem that the fonts are far too big, e.g. "file" takes up 3/4's of the screen. The response was basically "no" nothing practical could be done about the problem. However, that does not appear to be the complete story for two reasons. Firstly, I have seen a posting saying that it is a Red Hat 8 bug to do with the initial specification of the screen size. The message indicated that if the screen size was specified in mm's then there was no prob., but if inches were used then there was a problem. Red Hat have supposedly posted a fix, but I have not been able to find it. Can anyone tell me where to find the fix or how to specify the screen size on an installed system please? The second reason that Open Office must work with my configuration is that it does for one of the users. This user has been the most uncontrolled and cavalier in his use of the Internet and downloads. Initially, I thought it was due to the fact that he had Macro Media Flash and the others didn't. However, this proved to be not true. Can anyone suggest where I should look to find the difference that makes Open Office work for this one user, please? Thanks in anticipation Roger

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Upcoming committee meeting: 21 Jan
by Craig Box 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

Sorry about the late notice (The meeting reminder bot _will_ be fixed by next meeting) but we are having a WLUG committee meeting on Wednesday, so anyone with any business for the meeting should get it to me before Wednesday 5pm. Thanks, Craig

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Meeting is TONIGHT
by Daniel Lawson 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

Just a reminder that the January meeting is tonight. Lindsay picked the short straw for tonight, and the topic is "Cisco to Linux Interoperability" Cisco to Linux Interoperability. At Open2View (cnr Grey St and Cobham Drive) at 7:30pm.

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Printing from the Wiki
by Daniel Lawson 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

I've just fixed printing support for the WLUG Wiki (http://www.wlug.org.nz/) If you print a page on the wiki, it'll now strip off the sidebar, top and bottom navbars, and anything else thats not really content for that page. This is done using CSS, so if you have a browser that can change style type, you can select the 'Printer' style to see what it will come out like. EG: in Mozilla, go to "View | Use Style | Printer" Or, you can *probably* use 'Print Preview' and it should more or less display right, although Mozilla is a bit broken here - it'll look like the text is overlapping, but it will print out just fine :) Daniel

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Meeting this monday - location
by John R. McPherson 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Next WLUG Meeting: 19th January 2004 - Cisco to Linux Interoperability. Presented by Lindsay Druett. Location: Open2View, 2 Grey St (corner Grey St and Cobham Drive) at 7:30pm. Remember, if you want to suggest a topic you would like to see at one of the monthly meetings, or you have a topic you would like to present, feel free to either edit the wiki page at http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics or discuss it on this list. John McPherson

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January meeting - 7 days away
by John R. McPherson 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Next WLUG Meeting: 19th January 2004 - Cisco to Linux Interoperability. Location to be advised. Note - meeting brought forward a week due to anniversary weekend. Cisco to Linux Interoperability Presented by our resident Cisco Nut, Lindsay Druett from Waikato University. Lindsay will also be covering the Just for Fun Network Management System (http://jffnms.sourceforge.net/) Don't know what it is? Come see the meeting then.

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RE: [wlug] Please unsubscribe
by Lindsay Druett 08 Jan '04

08 Jan '04

It's less confusing than lining up Red Bulls... Too much V is bad for you, so is Red Bull... Rots your teeth, races your heart, and you get less sleep... > -----Original Message----- > From: James Spooner [mailto:james(a)spoons.gen.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 8 January 2004 16:32 > To: greig(a)hamiltron.net; wlug > Subject: Re: [wlug] Please unsubscribe > > > Greig McGill wrote: > > See the bit below? People say we get all elitest...but > really all we > > want is for people to use their brains. :-/ > > > > VVVVVVVVVVVVVVV > What are the VVV's for? > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> wlug mailing list > >> wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Please unsubscribe
by monkfish 08 Jan '04

08 Jan '04

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PSM newbie help
by Gun Caundle 08 Jan '04

08 Jan '04

I am a Linux newbie. I have recently installed a RH9 box as part of a Windows network. In Mozilla, when I try to activate my RH9, a window pops up: 'Alert This document cannot be displayed unless you install the Personal Security manager (PSM) Download......etc' I downloaded and copied mozilla-psm 1.2.1-26. to my RH system as root. 2x clicked and the installation window flashed up briefly for about 1 second but didn't install. This window said: " Preparing system update: Before modifying packages on your system package dependencies must be determined. This process may take a few minutes." To confirm, in the terminal window I typed: 'rpm -q psm' "package psm is not installed" Any help would be appreciated to get it installed. Kind regards Gun Caundle 77 Maniapoto St. Otorohanga ph/fax 07 873 6575 gun(a)guncom.co.nz

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NZNOG Conference
by Jamie Curtis 07 Jan '04

07 Jan '04

Hi there, For those of you who are on the WLUG list, but are either unaware or not subscribed to the New Zealand Network Operators Group (NZNOG) list, the WAND group at the University of Waikato are hosting their annual conference late this month. The NZNOG list membership consists mainly of people involved in ISP's however the conference should be of interest to anyone involved in medium to large scale networks, even if they are internal or private networks. Also, if you have a good basic understanding of IP networks the conference provides a good way to extend your knowledge. They are also a great social event and a chance to meet many really interesting people in the NZ Internet scene. Almost all details, online registration etc are available from the conference website: http://www.nznog.org On the schedule are a good bunch of speakers on interesting topics including details of a major IPv6 announcement, wireless IP, VoIP, H.323 Video, NZ NGI, BGP, CityLink plans and a heap more. There'll be speakers from many of NZ's major ISPs and other major industry players and from vendors including Cisco and Juniper. Also a day of workshops and tutorials has been added to the program which will include APNIC's Internet Resource Management Essentials training course and Ian Hastie (Link Information Technology Limited) on Wireless Technology. The APNIC training in particular should be of interest to any who has to deal with any block of realworld IP space. A full abstract of the training is available on the conference website. We've received very generous sponsorship, including from our primary sponsors CityLink and major sponsor InternetNZ. Also from FX networks, the University and the WAND group. This has kept the cost to just $120 for all three days (including lunches, tea and coffee, tee shirt, coffee mug, sponsored bar, etc.) **NOTE*** YOU MUST REGISTER THIS WEEK to get the discounted registration fee or if you require on campus accommodation. If you know of people who might benefit from the conference but who don't regularly read NZNOG (e.g. major customers, operators of national private networks etc) we would be grateful if you would make them aware of the conference. Full details and registration are at: http://www.nznog.org/ Looking forward to seeing you there. Jamie

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