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Wee problem with Samba
by Shane Taylor 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

Hi. I'm having a wee problem with Samba. It's configured to be the Netbios Master Browser for my home network. It's working perfectly ..... except that the browse list only contains a single machine - the Samba machine. I can get to any other machine using it's netbios name - \\megans - and everything works fine. The logs all show that it's working alright - it wins all the browser elections and no errors show up. The only weird thing I've noticed is that in the "log.<machine name>" lanman.c is mentioned after a client connection is made (shouldn't come into things at all but I don't think it's any problem??). Otherwise, things look just peachy. I've tried all the usual stuff (smbstatus/smbclient/nbtstat .... created shares and they show up etc), google, docs from all over the place blah yadda etc. Not a damn thing :( Any ideas?? I'm running Debian unstable with the 2.6.6 kernel and Samba 3.0.4. smb.conf [global] netbios name = debian workgroup = Workgroup wins support = yes security = share os level = 65 domain logons = no domain master = yes preferred master = yes local master = yes hosts allow = 192.168.1. 127. interfaces = eth0 lo bind interfaces only = Yes interfaces = 192.168.1.1/24 name resolve order = wins lmhosts host bcast browse list = yes dns proxy = yes printing = cups printcap name = /etc/printcap load printers = yes guest account = nobody log level = 3 log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m Netstat -a shows: tcp 0 0 debian:netbios-ssn *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 debian:microsoft-ds *:* LISTEN udp 0 0 debian:netbios-ns *:* udp 0 0 *:netbios-ns *:* udp 0 0 debian:netbios-dgm *:* udp 0 0 *:netbios-dgm *:* debian:/usr/local/samba/var/locks# cat wins.dat VERSION 1 0 "__MSBROWSE__#01" 1088324891 255.255.255.255 e4R "DEBIAN#00" 1088283997 192.168.1.1 66R "DEBIAN#03" 1088283997 192.168.1.1 66R "DEBIAN#20" 1088283997 192.168.1.1 66R "MEGANS#00" 1088324846 192.168.1.41 64R "MEGANS#20" 1088324846 192.168.1.41 64R "MTROUSERS#00" 1088324803 192.168.1.10 64R "MTROUSERS#20" 1088324803 192.168.1.10 64R "RITWA#00" 1088311573 192.168.1.12 64R "RITWA#03" 1088311591 192.168.1.12 64R "RITWA#20" 1088311592 192.168.1.12 64R "WORKGROUP#00" 1088324846 255.255.255.255 e4R "WORKGROUP#1b" 1088283997 192.168.1.1 64R "WORKGROUP#1e" 1088324846 255.255.255.255 e4R debian:/usr/local/samba/var/locks# cat browse.dat "WORKGROUP" c0001000 "DEBIAN" "WORKGROUP" "DEBIAN" 400d9a03 "Samba 3.0.4" "WORKGROUP" ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

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Traffic Monitoring
by Felix Hohener 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

We got a small network which connects to the internet via a switch and an ADSL router. We have no access or control over the router (corporate office only). I need to monitor the traffic between the individual work stations and the router in a as simple way as possible. Any suggestions? It can be Linux or Windows based, also commercial options are considered. Thanks --- Felix

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Debian update not working
by Glenn Ramsey 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

Hi, I'm running Debian/testing and I just tried to install a new package that had to update a lot of dependencies. Some of the downloads timed out, this is because they are outdated and no longer exist in the pool, so I need to do an apt-get update. This usually works out fine but right now apt-get update doesn't update the package files. I checked the packages it wants on the Debian website and they have been updated. Why would apt-get update have suddenly stopped working properly? (I'm also using apt-proxy but I don't think that should affect it) g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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Re: Committee meeting minutes
by David King 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

The reason they haven't supplied the IR254 booklet is "Clubs and societies (IR254) booklet has been withdrawn and is currently being reviewed to bring it up to date with current legislation." This quote can be found at http://www.ird.govt.nz/library/newsletters/aanswers/2004/2004mar.html >Craig B is trying to contact the IRD to become tax exempt but they >completely fail to produce the IR254 booklet that is required. --- David G King : d_king(a)xtra.co.nz http://dking.8m.net NZART, AREC

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Monday Meeting
by Greig McGill 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

>From the Wiki: Targeting Linux to Business. I will be covering: a.. What Linux is currently very good at. b.. What I think is required to improve this. c.. What Linux currently CAN'T do d.. What I think is required to help this e.. Some notes on advocating Linux to businesses. Please replace Linux with OSS/FreeBSD/Whatever as your needs dictate. :) Location - Crawshaw Primary School see http://www.wlug.org.nz/CrawshawSchool Greig.

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Committee meeting minutes
by Craig Box 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Minutes of tonight's committee meeting are now up at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2004-06-23. Please note that last meeting we clarified our subscription policy; the $20 subscription is for a year's membership between AGMs. We're sorry that the installfest fell within 6 months of the next meeting, but we hope that you'll all consider the WLUG a worthy enough cause to resubscribe in September when our AGM occurs. Please also accept our apologies that there was no notification of this meeting; the meeting reminder bot is on holiday and will be fixed very shortly. Craig

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Re: Re: [wlug] modem
by Stephen Pearce 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Hi, Went ahead and got one of these ... and the ltmodem source which I'm trying to compile under 2.6 what do you list when you "lspci" the modem? I get an unrecognised pcTel device .. number 2179 .. I am wondering if they have substituted a no name brand for the lectron modme you got ... either way compiling seems to be un straightforward .. so could you send me any tricks you used to get it compiled (fedora 2) thanks Stephen > > From: Daniel Lawson <daniel(a)meta.net.nz> > Date: 2004/06/18 Fri AM 08:59:46 GMT+12:00 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] modem > > > > > > I'd get a Lectron I56PSP/F40 PCI modem from Ascent > > (http://www.ascent.co.nz/mn-product-spec.asp?pid=120287) $20.93, and > > it works well in linux. > > > > Get the ltmodem drivers from > > http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/. If you're running > > FC2 on a P2 or Celeron or later, you'll *probably* be ok to get the > > binary release drivers - make sure you get the right one for the > > kernel you are running however! > > > > Just following this up - there are (or were, when I looked a month or > two back), two sets of binary drivers - one for i386, one for i686. > Except, the ones targetted for i386, were actually still compiled for > i686. This means they will not work at all on an i586 system, such as a > pentium, or a k6 or k6-2 processor. > > If you've got a Celeron or Pentium 2 or later, or an AMD Athlon or > Duron, you'll be fine. > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Win4Lin sponsorship
by Gavin Denby 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

I see Dun and Hawkes bay have taken advantage of this. http://www.netraverse.com/LUG/ Are we interested, I was about to price a copy but thought I'd ask first.

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Re: Re: [wlug] modem
by Stephen Pearce 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Hi Gavin, I'd be keen to obtain the 56k external .. I'll be in Hamilton 4th Sept. and could pick it up then or I could get a Hamilton friend pick it up beforehand if you wish .. how much do you want for it? Thanks Stephen ps I could swap it for an internal 56k conextant hcf modem !:) > But I do have adsl so, I have a 56K external, and some 33.6k Phone > Modems if you need one, and you don't mind collecting from Hamilton.

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modem
by Stephen Pearce 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Any suggestions for a replacement of my conexant hcf internal, modem which has stopped since I upgraded to fedora 2? The DS Intel Ham has a similar problem with the chip manufacturer having a proprietry component to the driver and not upgrading to the latest linux releases Thanks Stephen

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HP-UX 11i expertise wanted
by Pete 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

Hi UNIXers, I'm working on a port of a very large C++ project from Windows to Unix. The aim is to get the system running successfully under HP-UX 11i. The application is multithreaded and runs as a service under Windows and as a daemon under Unix. The application uses the 3rd party libraries boost, CenterPoint XML, OTL++ and libodbc++. It currently interacts with SQL Server and Oracle databases. I have to say that I'm definitively not a Unix person; my skills are in the Windows arena. Even so I have managed to convert the code successfully so that it runs fine under Linux RH8 and RH9 (compiled using GCC 3.2). However, I'm extremely frustrated to find that I have a major problem with the software under HP-UX: it seems to CORE dump after running for "some time" (typically 2 - 3hrs). I simply don't know enough about HP-UX and urgently need someone assist me. The skills that I'm seeking are: - HP9000/HP-UX 11i - C++ - STL, pthread (or even better boost::thread) - GCC and GDB One word of caution: the HP9000 machine I'm using for testing is located in the USA and Internet access is relatively slow. I have managed using an X-client, but response times make this a fairly impracticable option. I'd love to hear from anyone who might be interested. Peter Hug Warehouse Optimization LLC Phone +64-6-8354933

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HP-UX 11i expertise wanted
by Craig Box 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

This message from Peter got eaten by the "too big" fairy the first time around -- Craig -- Thanks for your many insightful comments Perry. > What signal is it dying with? The message I get is: Program exited with signal 11 (Segmentation Fault) However, from the attached stack frame you can see that erros occur inside stl code. In this particular case, it all has to do with simple std::string manipulations which require resizing the strings internal buffer. However, the error can also occur at entirely different locations. Also, I'm really puzzled why I only see 11 frames on the stack for this thread. What the code actually does is call a method of class ExceptionContext to write a message to a log file (the method behaves basically like sprintf). The following code reflects somehow what the code might have been doing at the time of the crash (error occurs at gEC.ReportDiagnostic()): #include "Exception.h" ExceptionContext gEC("mylogfile.log"); void foo() { std::string strDB = "Database"; std::string strTbl = "Table"; std::string strK1 = "12"; std::string strK2 = "A92bit12"; std::string strK3 = "901-12"; gEC.ReportDignostic("Table %s has key %s", (std::string("[") + strDB + "." + strTbl + "]").c_str(), (std::string("[") + strK1 + "/" + strK2 + "/" + strK3 + "]").c_str()); } Clearly, there are more frames on the stack, but I simply don't understand how to get the complete picture. But don't be fooled by this stack trace; a fact is that the error is everytime totally different and only occurs under HP-UX. > Linux has a great program called "valgrind" that can be used for > debugging memory and threading issues. If you can get it to compile > under Linux on x86 I'd **highly** recommend you run valgrind on your > program. I will most definitively try this one out. Pete

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Waikato 2020 Communications Trust
by Daniel Lawson 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

Matt Brown and I recently (4 June) had a meeting with Prof Ted Zorn, regarding the Waikato 2020 Communications Trust and the Waikato Linux Users Group. Prof Zorn is in the Department of Management Communication in the School of Management at Waiakto University. The 2020 Communications Trust is a charitible trust set up with the basic objective of promoting “… discussion and investigation of ideas, knowledge and technology in new media and computer networking". The full objectives can be found at http://www.2020.org.nz/trust/princip.htm. They are basically looking at improving community absorption of modern IT, and improving the general understanding of IT in the community. One of the projects the Waikato 2020 Communications Trust is working on at the moment is called the ‘Waikato Community Net’, or “WaiCN” for short. This is being modelled on fairly successfull project run by the Wellington 2020 Communications Trust, unsurprisingly called the ‘Wellington Community Net’ or WCN for short. (http://www.wcn.net.nz/) WaiCN will provide a portal for community sites, which perhaps wouldn’t otherwise be able to decently host websites. This will have a secondary effect of perhaps becoming a de facto standard for looking for community information in this region. WaiCN also aims to improve community groups’ education overall, and to integrate and coordinate other community-oriented ICT programs. (Most of that was lifted from the project outline.) Prof Zorn contacted the WLUG to see if we were interested in working together with W2020CT (I’ll start abbreviating things here) on this project, and in general. We seem to share some similar goals, although ours are primarily focussed around F/OSS software, and the W2020CT is at least nominally neutral on this issue. Matt, Prof Zorn and I had a nice chat over lunch, during which we discussed the objectives of both groups, and how well we’d been meeting them. We pressed the point that some of the ultimate goals of OSS are not ‘to beat Mickey$haft’, but to provide choice, and to provide open standards. As it happens, a ready example of where open standards should be adhered to was provided by Prof Zorn himself, as he emailed the project blurb for WaiCN out as a MS Word document. Prof Zorn seemed interested in possible collaboration between the two groups, and Matt and I came away with the same feeling. He is going to talk with the Trustees of the W2020CT, and at some point we’ll swap representatives for meetings and get a better idea of what each group is doing. I personally think this collaboration will be useful from a couple of viewpoints. W2020CT provides a good vehicle for neutral advocacy of choice, and of open standards. This doesn’t mean they’ll push linux everywhere, but it might mean they make people aware of the choice. Also, they are part of a much larger organisation than WLUG, with better access to resources. Some of the people in the W2020CT and the national 2020CT are in fairly “high” places in terms of local and national government. Whether that matters or not is yet to be seen, but it’s worth remembering that our Charter does include advocacy of F/OSS to government, commercial and industrial bodies, something which we’ve not really been addressing lately. This is perhaps a good starting point. Daniel

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Re: [wlug] HP-UX 11i expertise wanted
by Wayne Rooney 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

>One word of caution: the HP9000 machine I'm using for testing is located >in the USA and Internet access is relatively slow. I have managed using >an X-client, but response times make this a fairly impracticable option. That's a bit far away. I've got one in my garage. Mine runs Debian though. If you wanted to borow it you'd have to supply your own copy of HP-UX. Nice machines - mines got dual 64 bit RISC processors. Wayne

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conexant and intel ham modems
by Stephen Pearce 14 Jun '04

14 Jun '04

Hi Recently upgraded to Fedora 2 Then realised that the linuxant driver for my conexant hcf modem would not work .. and the only one available free is cripple ware at 14.4k .. it is ~$15$US to upgrade to the full 56k ok .. so I can buy a new DS Intel Ham modem for abt the same .. maybe less .. BUT a bt of research shows that intel have no plans to release a 2.6 kernel version of the linux driver for this 536ep modem .... Has anyone any suggestions on how to get 56k back thriftily (excluding going back to the 2.4 kernel Thanks Stephen

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Re: [wlug] Fedora 2 and rpm denial Terminal log so far
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 13 Jun '04

13 Jun '04

Craig, Fedora 2 is installed on my computer. Thanks to Mattheius. I have four C/D's, Two installed the o/s, the other two I have no clue what to do with. There may even be a media player on the discs My newbieness is the cause of most of my problems I think. I will try to set up the yum. I need to know how to open or, get to, /etc/yum.conf so that I can paste the infomation to it. My original plan was to download xine because the Australian Linux journal said it was an easy install and a good programme, then came all the dependancies and confusing stuff so I went for what I thought was an easier option, Hmmnn! > Since you want to use FreshRPMs, copy and paste the > following to your /etc/yum.conf (as root) > > [freshrpms] > name=FreshRPMs > baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/$releasever/ > $basearch/freshrpm s/ > > http://ftp.us2.freshrpms.net/linux/freshrpms/ayo/fedora/linux/$releasever/$… > > Craig > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Fedora 2 and rpm denial Terminal log so far
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 13 Jun '04

13 Jun '04

OK, This time I remembered to change to root and I think that the key is imported. My terminal is giving this outcome... [john(a)localhost john]$ su Password: [root(a)localhost john]# rpm -Uvh mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm: not an rpm package (or package manifest): [root(a)localhost john]# Do I need to redownload the programme?? John.. > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug[john(a)localhost john]$ su Password: [root(a)localhost john]# rpm -Uvh mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm: not an rpm package (or package manifest): [root(a)localhost john]#

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Re: [wlug] Fedora 2 and rpm denial Terminal log so far
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 12 Jun '04

12 Jun '04

[john(a)localhost john]$ pwd /home/john [john(a)localhost john]$ rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt error: cannot get exclusive lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm error: RPM-GPG-KEY.txt: import failed. [john(a)localhost john]$ rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt error: cannot get exclusive lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm error: RPM-GPG-KEY.txt: import failed. [john(a)localhost john]$ [john(a)localhost john]$ wget http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt --19:36:20-- http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt => `RPM-GPG-KEY.txt.1' Resolving freshrpms.net... 66.40.9.130 Connecting to freshrpms.net[66.40.9.130]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 1,631 [text/plain] 100%[====================================>] 1,631 --.--K/s 19:36:22 (15.55 MB/s) - `RPM-GPG-KEY.txt.1' saved [1631/1631] [john(a)localhost john]$ rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt error: cannot get exclusive lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm error: RPM-GPG-KEY.txt: import failed. [john(a)localhost john]$ > * jaytee(a)clear.net.nz <jaytee(a)clear.net.nz> [2004-06-12 > > > > 09:12]: > > http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt > > What to do here. There is nothing to download, I saved > > the all the text (from start to finish) in an open > > office file as Key.sxw > > Err, you can put the text into a text editor, but a word > processor document is not a plaintext file. You are > supposed to simply download the file. I did not know this!! > > How about > > wget http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt Yes! This worked fine John.. > "If you can't laugh at yourself, you don't take life > seriously enough." > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Fedora 2 and rpm denial
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 12 Jun '04

12 Jun '04

Alistair. Still not able to do this. Are you able to downgrade your instructions to double simpleton for me??? > > download the gpg key that the freshrpms packages are > > signed with: > > http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt What to do here. There is nothing to download, I saved the all the text (from start to finish) in an open office file as Key.sxw I opened the terminal and cut and paste your script, then enter. no response! Still will not install due to Key issue John.... > > and then import it: > > # rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt > > > > Regards, > > Alastair > > -- > > (o< - A l a s t a i r P o r t e r > > //\ > > V_/_ alastair(a)linuxexperience.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > [Attachment: alastair(a)linuxexperience.com.sig] > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Fedora 2 and rpm denial
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 12 Jun '04

12 Jun '04

Then try to install the programme again after I import the key?? John. > > download the gpg key that the freshrpms packages are > signed with: http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt > > and then import it: > # rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt > > Regards, > Alastair > -- > (o< - A l a s t a i r P o r t e r > //\ > V_/_ alastair(a)linuxexperience.com > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > [Attachment: alastair(a)linuxexperience.com.sig]

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Fedora 2 and rpm denial
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 12 Jun '04

12 Jun '04

I just tried installing mplayer but got denied with this message: root(a)localhost john]# rpm -Uvh mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm error: mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: BAD, key ID e42d547b error: mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm cannot be installed >[root(a)localhost john]# Anyone able to help please. :( John.

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Software Patents.
by Oliver Jones 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

With all the discussion on the web about all the bad law in the US it is often easy to miss bad law in your own country. What is the situation in NZ with regard to software patents? I know there is lots of discussion on various OSS/FS sites about the current wrangling in the EU over software patents. Do we have evil laws in NZ regarding this? If we do it would probably be a good idea to start making some noise about it. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Unsubscribed posts
by Craig Box 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

There have been a couple of people post to the list lately and have their messages silently dropped because they are posting from addresses that are not subscribed. This policy is in place because we get far more spam than we ever get misplaced messages. If you want to post from an address other than the one you receive mail to, you can subscribe to the list "nomail" so you have posting privileges from that address, but you don't receive two copies of the posts. It just so happens there have been two real posts today, and while technically they get deleted straight away, I do actually get notified first. ;) Roger Oed and "Daniel" from Brazil, please resend your messages to the list. Craig 1. In the ultimate irony, I sent this initially from my work email address, which is not subscribed, and it bounced straight back into the notifications box! 2. In the ultimate stupidity, I resent it to wlug-committee instead of wlug! How hard can this BE?

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Running Lynx From Floppy
by Gabriel Bankier-Perry 31 May '04

31 May '04

I'm currently writing a rather extensive tutorial on how to install and configure Slackware 9.1 (http://gabes.orcon.net.nz/slackware_install.html) It's so extensive in fact that it would be stupid for someone to try and print it all out. Instead of getting them to print it out beforehand, I thought I could get them to save the page to a floppy and bring it up in Lynx before starting the installation ie. insert the install cd-rom, login as root, switch to a virtual console, mount the floppy disk, and read the webpage with lynx. That way they could keep switching back to the virtual console and reading the next step while setup was running. The problem was that lynx was not included as an executable on the disk (it was obviously avaliable as a package-yet-to-be-installed). I was now faced with the problem of not having access to a web browser with which to read the tutorial. The first thing I did was try and copy the lynx binary (/usr/bin/lynx) on my (already installed) system onto the same floppy disk as the saved webpage. When I tried to run it, it complained about a missing library (which is logical considering that I only copied the executable). My next thought was to get one of those Linux floppy-based Linux distributions (which usually has lynx). The problem is that I have no idea how I could load it (the floppy-based distro) once I had already booted the install cd. To reiterate, here's my problem: I need to run lynx from the slackware installation cd so I can read a file stored on a floppy disk. Lynx (as an exectutable) isn't found on the disk. How would I be able to run lynx from a floppy disk? Thanks. Note: The Slackware install disks work as live distro before you start the actual installation (ie. you can login and do partitioning, mounting, formatting etc.).

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Spam: Law vs Technology
by Oliver Jones 31 May '04

31 May '04

Personally I think that spam will not go away with new laws. Certainly some laws could be enhanced to give them scope to cover spam type acts but ultimately the problem is with technology not law. Certain things should be made illegal. Ie, domain or email forging. If you don't have permission from the domain or email owner to use an email address the address owner should be able to sue/prosecute. However the problem really is technological. SMTP is too trusting. We need ways of verifying the authenticity of sender addresses and their sources. If methods like SPF were universally adopted and turned on by default much of the problem with spam would go away. People could still send spam. But they would have to do it via "legitimate" servers. Ie, ones they owned. It would then be a case of blocking those servers/networks that repeatedly offended. People will argue that they shouldn't need to block servers. People should just stop sending spam. This however is more problematic than you might think. The problem with spam is not that it is unsolicited or commercial or bulk but rather that it is unwanted. The problem however is that you don't know it is unwanted until you read it. For example, say someone was overtly generous and very rich (and perhaps slightly crazy). If they send 2 million email messages to randomly harvested addresses giving them information on how to get a $100 would this mail necessarily be unwanted by the recipients. In today's environment people would be highly suspicious of this email but for the sake of argument imagine that the offer was legit. Why should this behaviour be illegal? Similarly would it be illegal to send 2 million snail mail envelopes to randomly selected addresses with $100 stuffed into each? People would be falling over themselves to get on this mailing list. I believe all we need is good law regarding fraud, false advertising, pornography and commercial entity identification accompanied by good user driven technology that enables network administrators to lock the bad guys out. So, everyone should configure their mail server with SPF immediately! Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] Help with fedora 2 please
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 28 May '04

28 May '04

Hi Glenn, I looked at the site, am totally clueless, will have to learn a little more about the o/s basics before I attempt to take this further. John.. > > Have a look at dri.sourceforge.net. You may need to > install one of dev snapshots. I have a Mobility U1 > (IGP320M) on my laptop and 3D acceleration works fine > with this. I get similar fps to the Windows versions. > > MergedFB however is broken for this chip and it doesn't > work with 2 monitors at once. I had to fool it into > thinking that the LCD doesn't exist to be able to set the > framerate on the CRT port to something other than 60 Hz. > > g > > > -- > Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 > http://www.componic.co.nz > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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creating folders
by Gun Caundle 27 May '04

27 May '04

I'm trying to create a new folder within the 'guncom' folder but can't. However I can create a new folder in the 'gun' folder. > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls > gun guncom > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ cd guncom > [gun(a)LinuxBox guncom]$ mkdir testsharing > mkdir: cannot create directory `testsharing': Permission denied > [gun(a)LinuxBox guncom]$ cd .. > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ cd gun > [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ mkdir whozyadaddy > [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ Any help with this would be appreciated. Gun Caundle

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Legislation Against Spam
by Perry Lorier 27 May '04

27 May '04

The government is currently requesting information from "interested parties" about drafting legislation against spam, as can be found here: http://www.med.govt.nz/pbt/infotech/spam/ As the LUG is a concentration of technically minded users, it seems that we would be a good candidate to put forward some comments. The government have asked 22 specific questions which are documented at the URL above. I've created a wiki page for people to discuss their ideas with the hope that in about a months time (when the submissions are due) we can take the comments and merge them into some kind of prose to submit to the government. After reading the above document, go over to http://www.wlug.org.nz/LegislatingAgainstSpam and add your comments :)

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RE: LDAP Browsers
by Gerwin van de Steeg 27 May '04

27 May '04

I use a program called LBE, it's java based so will run on nearly anything. http://www.msc.anl.gov/~gawor/ldap http://www.iit.edu/~gawojar/ldap Gerwin van de Steeg

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Help with fedora 2 please
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 May '04

26 May '04

Hi All, I am having a few of problems with fedora 2. The ati rage mobility card is working very slowly, ie chrominum is slow, choppy, cursor uncontrolable. programme is hard to get out of. Tux racer is working but very slow and graphics are not amazing. Also on boot it is not loading eth0 xircom cb for some reason. I still managed to configure the modem and can get on line. I have no clue on text editting so please just use small words and type slowly. :) Any help appreciated John (newbie) Thompson.

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Wifi PCMCIA Card Trade 2 for 1 ?
by Drew Broadley 25 May '04

25 May '04

I have two wifi PCMCIA card's I am willing to trade below: 1 * Netgear HA501 - 802.11a 1 * Belkin F5D6020 ver2 - 802.11b Neither of these work under my current OS (FreeBSD) and I am wanting to trade these two for a single 802.11b card that will work under FreeBSD (prism2 /prism2.5 chipset) Cheers, Drew

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Committee meeting minutes
by Craig Box 23 May '04

23 May '04

Minutes of last Wednesday's committee meeting are now up at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2004-05-19. Remember also tonights meeting at Crawshaw School, 7pm, on Linux at the Hamilton City Council. Craig

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(Commercial) Tux Sticker
by wlug.miguel＠ptaff.ca 23 May '04

23 May '04

>From Montreal Canada, hello Waikato! Having seen many Mac stickers on car's bumber, I thought that I could, me too, show what my colors are on my car. I searched on the internet to find a Tux sticker, this sympathetic antarctic animal. I was amazed and a bit sad when I discovered that such a thing doesn't exist. I then told myself: I will do one! My car is right now with a beautiful Tux sticker and everyone knows what my OS is. And I am proud to tell that I can offer it to all the community at: http://tuxsticker.ptaff.ca/ Miguel Tremblay

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May Meeting - Monday 24th
by Daniel Lawson 19 May '04

19 May '04

It seems we were slack in organising the May meeting. I'm blaming the Installfest for that. Shay McAuley from the Hamilton City Council has agreed to give a presentation on the use of Linux within the City Council. Where: Crawshaw School (http://www.wlug.org.nz/CrawshawSchool) When: 7pm Monday 24th May Note the early (winter-season) start time. Doors will be open from about 6:45. Daniel

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FC2 Discs?
by Oliver Jones 19 May '04

19 May '04

Anyone got the Fedora Core 2 discs yet? All binary discs: 1,2,3,4 & Rescue. If so I'd dearly like a copy. I can supply replacement blanks or funds to cover effort. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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LDAP browsers
by Daniel Lawson 18 May '04

18 May '04

I just noticed Luma (http://luma.sourceforge.net/) linked off freshmeat. It's already up to v 1.20, so i'm not sure how I missed it this long. It's an LDAP browser / editor. Has anyone had experience using Luma? I've used GQ up till now, as I didn't know of any other decent generic LDAP browsers (ones like DirectoryAdministrator were very much targetted at a specific use and schema set). There's no ebuild for gentoo yet, so i'll have to compile from scratch. I'll have a look at it tonight. Daniel

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FW: international Open Source Community :)
by Craig Box 17 May '04

17 May '04

(This was sent to someone in Samoa and CC'd to me.) Hello I'm sorry if i writing not to right adress. For example if you Bill Gates :) I'm linux user. I from russia if you can see. You country is very interesting and i want find new friends in it.:) Especially linux Users ;-) i think Open Source haven't mete(border) :)isn't it? Can you help me? and i want to know how popular linux in your country. What perspective have linux in you country etc.... if you have a few times for me you can give me few information. P.S.Hi from www.saratov.lug.ru Saratov(RUssia) Linux User Group .

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Fedora Core 2.
by Oliver Jones 17 May '04

17 May '04

Anyone on a cheap Internet link downloading Fedora Core 2? If someone would be so kind I would like to acquire a copy. I would download it myself but business Jetstream is expensive and we've blown our monthly cap on E3 videos. :) Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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InterNAT field trials
by Jim Fleming 17 May '04

17 May '04

The 5-letter (or less) .NET domain names are being used for the InterNAT field trials. Those provide FREE (as in $$s) allocations of static address space and ASNs for short names. http://ipv8.no-ip.com/cgi-bin/vanety25?a=L&b=U&c=N&d=I&e=_ Local help is available to set up your DSL and/or Cable sub-nets. It is best to have your .NET domain name before you attempt to connect. A.NET #include <stdio.h> /* * * vanety25 * * Convert a 5-symbol .NET name to prefix information. * * vanety25 addressing is based on a 32-Symbol Alphabet. * The 26 letters A to Z are included, along with the digits 0,8,1 and 3. * The (R) Symbol and Dash (-) are also included. * */ int addr; int asn; extern void v8_whois(int); main(argc,argv) int argc; char **argv; { int i; char c; char *p; char input[5]; printf("Content-type: text/html\n\n"); printf("<body><html><center><h3>InterNAT Resources for:</h3>"); if(argc != 2){ printf("example usage: %s -UNIR\n",argv[0]); exit(); } if(p = strstr(argv[1],"a=")){ input[0]= *(p+2); } else{ input[0] = 0; } if(p = strstr(argv[1],"b=")){ input[1]= *(p+2); } else{ input[1] = 0; } if(p = strstr(argv[1],"c=")){ input[2]= *(p+2); } else{ input[2] = 0; } if(p = strstr(argv[1],"d=")){ input[3]= *(p+2); } else{ input[3] = 0; } if(p = strstr(argv[1],"e=")){ input[4]= *(p+2); } else{ input[4] = 0; } addr=0; for(i=0; i<5; i++){ if(input[i] == 0){ break; } c = toupper(input[i]); if(isalpha(c)){ addr += c-'A'+1; } else{ switch(c){ case '0': addr += 27; break; case '8': addr += 28; break; case '1': addr += 29; break; case '3': addr += 30; break; case '-': addr += 31; } } addr <<= 5; } asn = addr>>5; printf("<b>"); v8_whois(addr); printf(".NET</b><br>\n"); printf("%d.%d.%d.%d.%d",(addr>>25)&0x1f,(addr>>20)&0x1f,(addr>>15)&0x1f,(addr>>10)&0x1f,(addr>>5)&0x1f); printf("<table border=3>"); for(i=0; i<4; i++){ printf("<tr><td align=center>"); v8_print_i32x5(addr); printf("</td><td align=center>\n"); printf("%d.%d.%d.%d",(addr>>24)&0xff,(addr>>16)&0xff,(addr>>8)&0xff,addr&0xff); printf("</td><td align=center>\n"); v8_print_i32x8(addr); printf("</td></tr>\n"); addr += 0x40000000; } printf("</table>\n"); printf("Mask: 63.255.255.224"); if((asn&0xFFFF8000)==0){ printf("<table border=3>\n"); printf("<tr><td align=center>"); printf("ASN0</td><td align=center>%d</td><td align=center>",asn); v8_print_i32x5(asn); printf("</td></tr>"); printf("<tr><td align=center>"); printf("ASN1</td><td align=center>%d</td><td align=center>",asn|0x8000); v8_print_i32x5(asn|0x8000); printf("</td></tr>"); printf("</table>\n"); } printf("</center>\n"); printf("</body>\n"); printf("</html>\n"); } #include <stdio.h> /* * * IPv8 Support Library * */ /* * * The IPv8 .NET alphabet consists of 32 symbols. * A void or 0 is represented as the (R) ® Symbol. * The letters A to Z are supported with only one case. * The numeric symbols 0, 8, 1 and 3 are also supported. * Lastly, the Dash (-) is included. * */ static char v8_alpha32_table[] = {'A','B','C','D','E','F','G','H','I','J','K','L','M','N','O','P','Q','R','S','T','U','V','W','X','Y','Z','0','8','1','3','-'}; /* * * Given a 32-bit value, extract and print the 25-bit prefix. * */ v8_whois(i) int i; { int j; int m; for(j=0; j<5; j++){ m=(i>>25)&0x1f; if(m==0){ printf("®"); } else{ putchar(v8_alpha32_table[m-1]); } i <<= 5; } } v8_print_i32x8(value) int value; { putchar(value&0x80000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x40000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x20000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x10000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x08000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x04000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x02000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x01000000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00800000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00400000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00200000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00100000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00080000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00040000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00020000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00010000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00008000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00004000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00002000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00001000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000800?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000400?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000200?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000100?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00000080?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000040?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000020?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000010?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000008?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000004?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000002?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000001?'1':'0'); } v8_print_i32x5(value) int value; { putchar(value&0x80000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x40000000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x20000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x10000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x08000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x04000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x02000000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x01000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00800000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00400000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00200000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00100000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00080000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00040000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00020000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00010000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00008000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00004000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00002000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00001000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000800?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000400?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00000200?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000100?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000080?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000040?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000020?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00000010?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000008?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000004?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000002?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000001?'1':'0'); }

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nfsroot
by Jonathan Purvis 15 May '04

15 May '04

Hi, I have managed to get my iMac to netboot the Linux kernel. The kernel seems to load fine, but stops with a kernel panic as it can't mount the root filesystem. I'm using the default 2.4 kernel from Debian 3.0. As per the instructions for yaboot (the Open Firmware boot loader that LinuxPPC uses), i set "root=/dev/nfs". Is this what i'm supposed to do to get / mounted via NFS? Is this a sign the kernel doesn't have nfsroot support? I found a web page that suggested i add "fsroot=$SERVER:/export/root", but that didn't help. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jon

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Upcoming committee meeting
by Craig Box 13 May '04

13 May '04

Per the WLUG charter, we'd like to inform you that there is an WLUG committee meeting to be held next Wednesday, 19 May. Tentative Agenda 1. Minutes from previous meeting 2. Treasurer's Report 3. Correspondence 4. Installfest - Summary 5. General Business If you want to have an item added to this agenda, please contact me at secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. Craig, Secretary

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serial terminal program
by Glenn Ramsey 12 May '04

12 May '04

I want to give my modem an ATL0 to see if I can make it quieter. What program do I use for this? g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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compiling 2.6.5 kernel from rh9 .. a better distro?
by Stephen Pearce 11 May '04

11 May '04

Recently downloaded the 2.6.5 kernel from kernel.org as a tgz source file .. and tried to install on rh9 .. but the new installation fails at boot. I am now thinking of converting to an alternative distro that will allow this easily .. I understand rh has a whole lot of distro specfic stuff which has to be organised .. Could someone advise me on either how to get it going using rh9 .. or which alternate distro would be best ..rh is the one I'm familiar with. Also ..can you install a new distro without a reformat of the disk .. to preserve all my personal files? Lastly, can anyone provide me with a copy of such a distro .. I can pay postage and media cost. Thanks Stephen Pearce

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creating directories
by Gun Caundle 11 May '04

11 May '04

I am trying to create a directory in my 'home' directory with my user login. However I can only create a directory as a root user and thus can't use it with my user login. I can use the 'gun' directory in 'home' with my user login. Any help would be appreciated. [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ mkdir adelle mkdir: cannot create directory `adelle': Permission denied [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ su Password: [root(a)LinuxBox home]# mkdir adelle [root(a)LinuxBox home]# exit exit [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls -ld drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 May 12 08:55 . [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ cd gun [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ ls -ld drwx------ 25 gun gun 4096 May 12 08:54 . [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ cd .. [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls -ld adelle drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 12 08:55 adelle [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$

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RE: [wlug] creating directories
by Lindsay Druett 11 May '04

11 May '04

[gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls -ld drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 May 12 08:55 . As you can see with the home directory, The owner of the directory has read/write/execute access. The group of the directory has read/execute access (No write access). Everyone else has read/execute access (No write access). Incidentally, root has full control of adelle, and if adelle is a user, tough, adelle ony is seen as Joe Public and has read execute access. For security reasons, I would leave it as is (and login as root to create subdirectories - this sort of thing should be automated when a new user is created - each user should have their own directory to do whatever and that should pertain to that user) but if you feel another way inclined want to have full control as a user, then chown gun home chgrp gun home Or else if you want want everyone to have rw access the chmod 777 home I hope this helps. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gun Caundle [mailto:gun(a)paradise.net.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 09:36 > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [wlug] creating directories > > > I am trying to create a directory in my 'home' directory > with my user > login. However I can only create a directory as a root user and thus > can't use it with my user login. I can use the 'gun' directory in > 'home' with my user login. > Any help would be appreciated. > > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ mkdir adelle > mkdir: cannot create directory `adelle': Permission denied > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ su > Password: > [root(a)LinuxBox home]# mkdir adelle > [root(a)LinuxBox home]# exit > exit > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls -ld > drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 May 12 08:55 . > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ cd gun > [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ ls -ld > drwx------ 25 gun gun 4096 May 12 08:54 . > [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ cd .. > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls -ld adelle > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 12 08:55 adelle > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Xandros 2.0
by Nigel Nguyen 11 May '04

11 May '04

Hi, I have tried xandros for a couple weeks, it nice and easy to install/use. Well, just feel like Andreas, same Yoper but Canadian(i believed they from Canada, Andreas :) ) It recommended for newbies and windows mover as they X/team has tweaked some features to get their own filemanager and the software depository (called XandrosNetwork). Installed stuff outside that is just normal as install on other debian based distro or just configure/make/make install. Overall, easy to use but less "fun" of course. IMO, if yoper has the GUI installation (i havn't tried the 2.0 yet) than Yoper is a clear winner as newbies always scare of text thing thou :) Just a few comments, Nigel Ng. P.S: Do anyone know if Yoper has new zealand mirror for downloading ?

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Performance bottle neck?
by Raymond Burgess 11 May '04

11 May '04

I am currently importing a lot of data into a Postgres Database. Initially things where quickish, but now it seems to be running very slowly. I put this down to index scans. The machine is a Dual P4 with 2 GB of ram and a Raid array (14 Fibre Channel Harddrives) Top is reporting the disk cache is 1.7 GB and system idle around 70%. The postgres backend is using 10% to 20% of one CPU. I don't know if the bottleneck is the Disk IO or Ram. What would people suggest I can look at to see what is holding up the process?

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Xandros 2.0 SE
by Gible Fog 10 May '04

10 May '04

'llo :) Included with the aussie PC Authority's April issue is a copy of Xandros 2.0 SE which I shall (attempt to) install if and when I get time. Any comments/opinions/gripes/warnings about this distro? Love & Spikes Gible "Arguing on Usenet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded." - James McGuigan in rec.games.computer.stars

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Yoper V2 is out
by Andreas Girardet 10 May '04

10 May '04

Hello fellow Linux enthusiasts Version 2 of Yoper (iso date 20040509) is now available on http://www.yoper.com. Main changes are: - RPM based - Apt-rpm support and repository available - More than 400 packages now available - Yoper is not commercial anymore - Installer allows a fully apt capable minimal install (around 300Mbyte) - The KDE experience has been extended by including Openoffice with full KDE look and Geramik as a GTK KDE theme - Synaptic is now the graphical package management system - 400 packages (including Gnome) are available via apt - Yoper is still i686 optimised and performance patches from Con Kolivas bring even greater speed Regards Andreas Girardet

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Installfest aftermath
by Daniel Lawson 10 May '04

10 May '04

We've just finished tidying up after the installfest. I think we had about 30 registrants, but I'm sure more than that came throughout the day. I'm pretty sure we got linux onto a few peoples computers, and we solved a good number of problems. Let's hope we didn't create more than we solved :). Out of interest, I checked the usage graphs for the Internet link, and we peaked at 170 KB/sec at one point during the day. Next time I'd like to enforce use of a proxy server, as I'm sure most of that traffic was duplicated a few times. While I remember, I'd like to fire off a few points: * I think it was a great success. We had many new people turn up - some from as far away as Waihi at least - and it was a really great atmosphere. * Thanks to everyone who helped. The entire committee, Bruce, Alastair, Matthias, Lindsay, Alan, Shay, Shane and all the rest who helped people out during the day. Big ups :). * Thanks to Lindsay / University of Waikato ITS for supplying the Cisco Catalyst 5000 and 2926 switches. * Thanks to Phil / Open 2 View for providing the server. Thanks Carich for going into receivership and allowing Open 2 View to buy lots of your old computing equipment . * Thanks to Crawshaw School for the use of the Hall and facilities, and the use of the Internet connection. Thanks also to Satlan, Crawshaw's Internet provider. * Thanks to DSE for giving us some Mandrake 9.2 cds. We still have a handful of these left, so if anyone would like a copy of this, yell out, you can pick it up at the next meeting. * Thanks to IT Partners for providing "CD Duplication Facilities". And thanks again to everyone who turned up. We've learned a bit about running these, so hopefully next time things will run a bit smoother - we should have enough tables at least! Daniel

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