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Yoper CD wanted
by s swami 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hi folks I've been meaning to test-drive Yoper for a while (and now it has KDE 3.3 :-) But I haven't been able to find a spot on yoper.com where I can buy a CD copy of the latest version and my 33k dial-up connection is a little shy about the bittorrent that has kindly been made available. Does someone have a CD? Happy to pay student prices :-) Cheers, Sid.

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CD issues
by Jared Wigmore 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

Hi, I regularly get the message, "hda: lost interrupt" (that's my cd drive). Additionally, it takes a long time to mount, and to access each directory/file. I'm using kernel 2.4 on RedHat 9. Any advice. ===== -- JaredWigmore -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM/CS/S d? s+++:-- a? C++++ UL++ P--- L++ E>+++ W++ N>+ o? K- w--- O? M-- V-- PS-- Y-- PGP- t+++ 5? X R* tv b++ DI D G e- h! !r z- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.wlug.org.nz/JaredWigmore http://AnswersInGenisis.org/ http://www.againsttcpa.com/ ---------------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

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Linux challenges for students from IBM
by Craig Box 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

"College and university students can make improvements to Linux, create usability tools or enhancements, or design Linux applications. The goals of the contest are to: 1. Promote student use of Linux worldwide 2. Solve real-world Linux issues-make Linux better! 3. Design or develop an application using Linux Prizes will be awarded to the top 20 entries, judged by IBM Linux personnel. These 20 students will receive an IBM ThinkPad with Linux and will also have the opportunity to qualify for one of three summer 2005 Internships at our Linux Technology Center. There will also be a University Award, one (1) Linux 16-node "start-up" cluster, given to the university who has the highest overall average from their students' entries." http://www.developer.ibm.com/university/students/contests/linux/ Craig

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Linux Laptops.
by Oliver Jones 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Recently I've been thinking about buying a laptop. I've been thinking about an Apple 17" G4 Powerbook but I figure that's just a little to far from the flock... ie, I'd have to find replacements for too much software I currently use. For serious stuff I currently use Linux (Fedora Core 1) and it's associated apps. For "play" I use Windows XP. On XP I mainly use things like DVD Decrypter, PowerDVD, etc. Media playback and storage utils basically. Occasionally I play some Windows games but I'd be happy enough with just my consoles for that. There are some things about buying a laptop that concern me. One is unsupported hardware in Linux. The others are screen size (I use a 21" CRT at the moment) and speed (current PC's is a 2.6Ghz P4s). Anyone here have any suggestions regarding desktop replacement Laptops that have very good hardware support on Linux? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] Linux Laptops.
by David Nicholls 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

mind you are you aware that mandrake do a PPC version of 9.1? for both sale and free download (i have all three ISOs if anyone wants them by the way). unsure just how good it is but it is one option also there is the opendarwin project (OS X backend for them as is iggerant ;]) - bsd based of course. once again i have an ISO i downloaded out of interest if anybody is. cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:58 am Subject: [wlug] Linux Laptops. Recently I've been thinking about buying a laptop. I've been thinking about an Apple 17" G4 Powerbook but I figure that's just a little to far from the flock... ie, I'd have to find replacements for too much software I currently use. For serious stuff I currently use Linux (Fedora Core 1) and it's associated apps. For "play" I use Windows XP. On XP I mainly use things like DVD Decrypter, PowerDVD, etc. Media playback and storage utils basically. Occasionally I play some Windows games but I'd be happy enough with just my consoles for that. There are some things about buying a laptop that concern me. One is unsupported hardware in Linux. The others are screen size (I use a 21" CRT at the moment) and speed (current PC's is a 2.6Ghz P4s). Anyone here have any suggestions regarding desktop replacement Laptops that have very good hardware support on Linux? Regards Oliver Jones

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sendmail issue
by Gavin Denby 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

I am setting up a simple sendmail replacement for an old redhat machine with a dying hard drive. I decided to use a newer distro and went to slackware. I have copied the old data from the sendmail.cf files over and everything runs well until I send a local mail from console. Instead of getting mail from user(a)domainname.com the machine name is added, and i get user(a)machinename.domainname.com Of course if you reply this gets to be a real mess. Clients accessing via pop are ok , its just local automated messages that are causing issues. I have set Dj$w.domainname.com I have commented out all classes. I added DMdomainname.com I made the start with M4, is there something I can add there that will fix this ?? I hoped Masquerade_as(domainname.com)dnl would be enough, but still the machine name appears in the mail address ... ARGHHH !!!!! I planned to add an auto mail tool, but not until this is fixed. What have I missed ??? -- "Engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." Dr A R Dykes.

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hacking your XBox - The Linux Way!. DrewBroadley (coming all the way from PalmerstonNorth) will cover Linux on an XBox, including using it as a media center. Don't miss this one! Location: CrawshawSchool Time: 7pm Doors will be open from ten to seven or so, presentation will start shortly after 7. __Topics__ How to Mod an XBOX: *Software Modifications *Hardware Modifications Xbox and Linux *Web/File/Media Server *Distros available Opensource Software and the XBOX *Xbox Media Center __Possible Extra Topics__ ''add your own suggestions''

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RE: [wlug] LINUX Servers in the SMB Workspace.
by Gund Wehsling 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

Hi Good points raised and not ones we are ignoring. To make sure we are not re-inventing the wheel, we have started a download of SuSE Standard Server 9 eval and once it is here, I will copy it and distribute it to all that are interested. In the meantime, a concensus needs to be reached as to what the server will support. I know that it would be nice to have a server that supplies all things to all people, but we feel that covering all bases may be too broad and it would be easier to sell a server solution that carries out basic although vital tasks, with ease, in such a way that the market comes to accept the solutions and products as stable and secure. For this reason and to keep things simple, we have a list of 'basics' that should be setup, standard and easy to use, troubleshoot and maintain, they are: DNS DHCP SAMBA / File and Print NETWORK SERVICES / Routing SECURITY / Firewall and authentication WEB / Proxy MAIL / IMAP and or Webmail The server design will be setup and tested as rigourisly as possible, fully documented, have a scripted install (or an aesy to follow install path that is well documented) that enables an easy setup / rebuild. The above services will become available within hours of arriving at a new site and with minimal 'tweaking / hacking'. The base idea that we don't want to lose here is that it must be easy to understand / support / install and must be reliable and stable enough that the end users start to change thier ideas about proprietry software and operating systems and the open source model is then promoted. Many of my customers are still 'fiddling' with LINUX and many of them are still concerned about what is a good desktop and what is a good word processor and I think that those discussions will go on forever until sombody realises that actual value of an installed and established system. So I am hoping we can spend time deciding on and testing and proving the best means of setting up and supplying the above services to sites that need them in a stable configuration at a fair cost in terms of resource (money or time). It has been my experience that most smaller companies will not really worry too much about what is running at the back-end and the mid to larger ones want clearly defined proceedures and best-practices before a solution can be considered, so as much as I hate paperwork, part of this project will be to supply those, as part of the bundle / solution. Now you can all start throwing chairs. Please address feedback direclty to the group unless it is trivial and please 'snip' this msg when replying. Many thanks Gund -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Fri 20/08/2004 16:50 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] LINUX Servers in the SMB Workspace. I personally think a turn key solution for SMB customers is a great idea. There are a few already out there already. The hardest thing I think you will find is defining exactly what features you solution should have. There is also a lot of work involved in making it self manageable. If you're going to offer management services as well that removes some of that integration work. Regards On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 15:10, Daniel Lawson wrote: >I will try to clarify what I asked yesterday and then we can start a chair fight. > > Excellent :) > >I am looking at starting a discussion / dialogue / knowledge transfer between all interested with the view to testing and building a single working solution that can be installed / sold to small to medium businesses. > >We (my colleagues and I) would like to build this on SuSE Server 9. At this moment, we think we have a viable product if we can all agree on what services this server will provide and how. Then, strip away the unnecessary packages and rpms till there is a 'standard' build that can easily be supported / installed. > > Ah, ok. Yes, this sounds like a good thing to work on. >I asked this becasue I wanted to get away from a discussions about desktop applications and processes and preferences and start focussing on an actual server product that can be sold or installed with the associated services. > > A wise move! >Anyhow, I hope this is not too vauge, nothing is actually written down yet, so we are starting fresh and anybody interested can join in or we can discuss it here if this forum will support that. > > As far as I'm concerned , it's fine to carry it on here, although it's trivial to move to another list if we find that it gets annoying. Daniel _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug> -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com <mailto:oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com> » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com <http://www.deeperdesign.com>

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RE: [wlug] SuSE 9.1 again
by Gund Wehsling 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

Hi Refresh my memory, what hardware are you using? Have you tried the 'safe mode' installations? Rgds Gund -----Original Message----- From: jaytee(a)clear.net.nz [mailto:jaytee(a)clear.net.nz] Sent: Sun 22/08/2004 13:24 To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: Subject: [wlug] SuSE 9.1 again Hi All. After the SuSE failed to boot after a couple of install attempts I tried the Knoppix live C/D. It did not boot either and showed a page of I/O errors then locked on the Knoppix splash screen. <snip>

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(no subject)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

Hi All. After the SuSE failed to boot after a couple of install attempts I tried the Knoppix live C/D. It did not boot either and showed a page of I/O errors then locked on the Knoppix splash screen. I reinstalled SuSE again making sure that the Linux partions were formatted (yes) This time the programme did run with one error on screen. Resolution x and y not entered fonts may be affected. What do I need to do to solve that? Also the modem is not configured correctly. Stupid mode is not checked, should it be?? Regards John..

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SuSE 9.1 again
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

Hi All. After the SuSE failed to boot after a couple of install attempts I tried the Knoppix live C/D. It did not boot either and showed a page of I/O errors then locked on the Knoppix splash screen. I reinstalled SuSE again making sure that the Linux partions were formatted (yes) This time the programme did run with one error on screen. Resolution x and y not entered fonts may be affected. What do I need to do to solve that? Also the modem is not configured correctly. Stupid mode is not checked, should it be?? Regards John..

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help at school
by Terry Cole 21 Aug '04

21 Aug '04

I have at school an existing web server/Intranet (RedHat 9). This controls access to the net using Squid and Dans Guardian. I have had a Uni student as part of her final paper set up a new server using Suse 9 has a replacement. She has now completed her degree and moved on to full time employment out of town. The new server also hosts one of our domains. I would like help on configuring Squid, etc and swapping over the servers with minimal down time. Can someone on the group help me with this process? It would mean someone from Rotorua or someone who is prepared to travel across to us. We will pay you for your time, etc. Please contact me off this list, if you can help. Thanks Terry Cole Rotorua, New Zealand mailto:terry(a)cole.gen.nz http://www.cole.gen.nz http://www.websnz.com

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Re: [wlug] Suse CD install
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Hi Group, I did get a SuSE 9.1 and tried to install onto Dell cpx 500 mhz laptop with ati rage video card. The install went pretty good except no 3D, I was not allowed to change the screen resolution, eth0 and modem were not configured. Set up ran right up to intial logon then blank blue screened at the end of the linux startup routine I wonder if I am obliged to get an online update before I get Linux up?? If any one can help (in lay terms) please go right ahead. Regards John..

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all-java database gift from IBM
by s swami 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/db2/library/techarticle/dm-0408anders…

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RE: [wlug] LINUX Servers in the SMB Workspace.
by Gund Wehsling 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Hi I will try to clarify what I asked yesterday and then we can start a chair fight. I am looking at starting a discussion / dialogue / knowledge transfer between all interested with the view to testing and building a single working solution that can be installed / sold to small to medium businesses. We (my colleagues and I) would like to build this on SuSE Server 9. At this moment, we think we have a viable product if we can all agree on what services this server will provide and how. Then, strip away the unnecessary packages and rpms till there is a 'standard' build that can easily be supported / installed. I asked this becasue I wanted to get away from a discussions about desktop applications and processes and preferences and start focussing on an actual server product that can be sold or installed with the associated services. I guess. Anyhow, I hope this is not too vauge, nothing is actually written down yet, so we are starting fresh and anybody interested can join in or we can discuss it here if this forum will support that. Thanks Gund -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] Sent: Thu 19/08/2004 15:52 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] LINUX Servers in the SMB Workspace. Gund, Could you clarify what it is you are asking us to raise our hands for? I'm guessing you're asking for victi^Wvolunteers to have SuSE + SMB etc installed - is that right? Daniel > A quick raise of hands - who is interested? I can take this outside of the list if it is beyond the scope of what is being done here. Or we can start it here as if successful, there will be a demand of Linux engineers as a result so I think what we want to do will have common interest. > > Either way. At this moment, I am not interested in what is being done on the desktop for what is required here, I am looking at a basic achievable goal to start, with the possibility of desktop work later. > > We are looking at SuSE Open Server and will piggy back Novell campains and support as we go along. > > So - hands up or contact me off list. > > _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] Suse CD install
by Gund Wehsling 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Hi Had a Dell. There is a Yahoo group that specializes in Linux on Dells, search there, can't remember what exactly the URL is. They have the answers as I had the same problem. Cheers Gund -----Original Message----- From: jaytee(a)clear.net.nz [mailto:jaytee(a)clear.net.nz] Sent: Thu 19/08/2004 20:34 To: jaytee(a)clear.net.nz; Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Suse CD install Hi Group, I did get a SuSE 9.1 and tried to install onto Dell cpx 500 mhz laptop with ati rage video card. The install went pretty good except no 3D, I was not allowed to change the screen resolution, eth0 and modem were not configured. Set up ran right up to intial logon then blank blue screened at the end of the linux startup routine I wonder if I am obliged to get an online update before I get Linux up?? If any one can help (in lay terms) please go right ahead. Regards John.. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Sound mixing
by Jared Wigmore 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I have sound already (with the sb driver), and I'm running ESounD. The problem is, programs that haven't been configured to work with esd can't make sound at all while it's running. What would be the best solution? ===== -- JaredWigmore -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM/CS/S d? s+++:-- a? C++++ UL++ P--- L++ E>+++ W++ N>+ o? K- w--- O? M-- V-- PS-- Y-- PGP- t+++ 5? X R* tv b++ DI D G e- h! !r z- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.wlug.org.nz/JaredWigmore http://AnswersInGenisis.org/ http://www.againsttcpa.com/ ---------------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

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LINUX Servers in the SMB Workspace.
by Gund Wehsling 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Hi After some Linux / Novell training in Auckland a few weeks back, some of my coleagues and I have decided to get extremely serious about deploying Linux into the common market place. We are mostly NetWare engineers with a keen interest in what Novell is doing now with SuSE and it's next operating system release and we would like to take this from the shed into the workplace. A quick raise of hands - who is interested? I can take this outside of the list if it is beyond the scope of what is being done here. Or we can start it here as if successful, there will be a demand of Linux engineers as a result so I think what we want to do will have common interest. Either way. At this moment, I am not interested in what is being done on the desktop for what is required here, I am looking at a basic achievable goal to start, with the possibility of desktop work later. We are looking at SuSE Open Server and will piggy back Novell campains and support as we go along. So - hands up or contact me off list. Rgds Gund

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PLEASE READ: Committee minutes & nominations for 2004-2005 election
by Craig Box 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Hi everyone, The minutes of last nights committee meeting are now available at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2004-08-18. All WLUG members are now invited to make nominations for the WLUG committee for 2005. The charter specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. We are accepting nominations via the web page http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugElections. The conditions of nomination are: * You shouldn't nominate yourself. (If you want to stand, post a note on the bottom of the page asking for someone to nominate you.) * You can only nominate or second someone if you are currently a 2003-2004 paid up member. * You can only vote at the upcoming AGM if you were a 2003-2004 paid up member, and have signed a new membership form for 2004-2005 (remember, you have 90 days to pay.) Voting at the AGM will be using the Single Transferrable Vote system that the district health boards/councils are using, care of the open source implementation at http://stv.sourceforge.net/. If you have any queries, please post to the bottom of the page and we will attempt to clear them up quickly. Regards, Craig

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Upcoming meeting this Monday (23rd)
by John R. McPherson 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Hi everyone, since out Meeting Reminder Bot doesn't seem to be working properly yet, this is just a reminder of our monthly meeting coming up on Monday. (Remember that meetings are on the 4th Monday of the month, not the last Monday). This month's meeting will be a presentation by Drew Broadley on XBox mods/Running Linux on an XBox, and it will be held at Crawshaw School, starting at our winter start time of 7pm. Links: http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2004-08-23 http://www.wlug.org.nz/DrewBroadley http://www.wlug.org.nz/CrawshawSchool (has a map) John.

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RE: [wlug] Suitable laptop for Linux?
by Gund Wehsling 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Have A10, ditto. Would rather have my old Dell back. However, in defence of A10, SuSE 9.1 did pick up every piece of hardware, including modem. However, no serial ports or PS/2 is a problem for me and what I do during the day. Speakers are horrid. DVD is only 2x writer (45mins for 4.5GB disc) 16x CDR. It also came bundled with WinXP Pro. I did get this one for free though, but I sometimes wonder. Like Denise, I had to buy a mouse, USB to Serial converter, external speakers etc.... If it covers your bases then buy it. It does not work for me though. -----Original Message----- From: Denise Bates [mailto:dbates(a)iconz.co.nz] Sent: Wed 18/08/2004 18:14 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Suitable laptop for Linux? On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:50, Gavin Denby wrote: > I saw in a flyer from warehouse stationery that they have a Toshiba A10 > with Intel integrated graphics and celeron 2.2 > > Price is about 1500 so in budget. but that includes MS tax. > > Intel tend to be good at linux support nowadays > > worth a look if you dont have one yet I bought one a couple of months ago and have installed Mandrake 10.0 on it. Most things were detected during installation and worked well. Sound, Video, and CD-writer needed no fiddling to speak of. The speakers are pathetic, and the touch-pad is quite useless! As useful as an on-board mouse can be on occasions, I replaced it with an external USB wheelmouse immediately (it has no PS2 port). The internal 56k modem didn't work (I didn't really expect it to). I selected this model because it had a PCMCIA slot, so I could fit a proper modem, rather than wrestle with a winmodem. As much as I would have preferred to buy a Windoze-free laptop, the only other readily-available candidate (from DSE) didn't have PCMCIA, and at the time, the prices were comparable. I removed the internal modem (an easy job) just in case it caused problems. The Toshiba A10 does have a couple of shortcomings. It has no serial or parallel ports, and it doesn't have a floppy drive either. I managed to get a parallel printer to work with a USB-to-serial/parallel adapter from DSE, but it was something of a battle. Last week, I bought a Epson CX3100 multifunction thingee, and it works perfectly with minimal fiddling: Printer, Scanner, and Copier! Another minor irritation is that the PCMCIA slot seems to have almost no "grip" to the card which is inserted. Even a small tug, applied to disconnect the modem cable, pulls out the card itself. No floppy, ports, useable mouse-substitute, or working modem! When you buy all the "extras" that should be standard it isn't much of a bargain. -- regards, ********************************************* Dr Denise J. Bates, PhD School of Geography & Environmental Science University of Auckland Private Bag 92019, Auckland New Zealand E-mail: d.bates(a)auckland.ac.nz Telephone 09-3737599 ext 86592 Home: 09-2336433 email: dbates(a)iconz.co.nz ********************************************* _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Suitable laptop for Linux?
by Jonathan Purvis 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

My iMac has finally died (instead of booting when switched on, it makes a high-pitched noise and a burning smell), so i'm going to have to buy a new computer. I'm thinking of purchasing a laptop. I'd like one that works with Linux, preferably doesn't come with a bundled version of Microsoft Windows and is under $2000. Other than the ECS A531 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/A531Laptop) are there others that meet my criteria? Is the A531 a good laptop to buy? All i'll be doing is writing programs, web browsing, emulating calculators and playing DVDs (so video is useful too). CPU speed isn't really a factor, anyone who knows me will tell you that i seem to stay away from fast computers. ;) Thanks, Jon

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Cyrus21 Help...
by Lindsay Druett 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

I have a Cyrus21 imap/pop3 server which is getting emails alright, you can create subfolders and shift email around, but you put emails into sent items... With Outlook Express, which is what *the customer* is using, you get this error... Some of the messages in your Outbox Folder could not be copied to your Sent Items Folder. Your message could not be uploaded to the IMAP server. The server refused to accept it. Subject 'Fw: Cron <amavis-stats(a)celaeno> [ -x /usr/sbin/amavis-stats ] && /usr/sbin/amavis-stats /var/log/mail.info', Account: 'Lindsay Druett', Server: 'mail.gateway-net.com', Protocol: IMAP, Server Response: 'Permission denied', Port: 143, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCCD2 With Mozilla, whihc is what *I* use, you get a similar error. Any ideas ? BTW - It is using sieve, and there is LDAP involved... -- Lindsay Druett lindsay(a)wired.net.nz http://www.wired.net.nz Everyone in New Zealand should have a choice of which phone company and/or high speed broadband Internet Service Provider they use. http://www.LLU.wired.net.nz

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Annual General Meeting, 13 Sep
by Craig Box 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter, I would like to formally announce that the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting on Monday, 13 September, 2004, at 7pm, at the Crawshaw School Hall (the same location as the Installfest.) As our financial year ends on 31 August, please note that membership "ends" on this date and 2005 membership dues will be collected starting at the AGM. Voting rights at the AGM are granted to "those people who were paid members in the previous financial year and who have signed a membership form for the next financial year". Regards, Craig

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Next Metting: XBOX & Linux ...
by Drew Broadley 05 Aug '04

05 Aug '04

So, I just want to find out to whom is going to come what you would like to find out in addition to the following: How to Mod an XBOX: Brief. (Software and Hardware) Xbox and Linux Web/File/Media Server Distros Opensource Software and the XBOX Xbox Media Center + more Feel free to suggest any more then the following if you wish for myself to give a brief but informative rundown Cheers, Drew Broadley

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connection to a router
by John 05 Aug '04

05 Aug '04

A bit of advice please. I have an IHUG wireless connection which I can get working fine when I plug the connection straight into my Ethernet card and use an ADSL connection. However, I have a netgear router which I am using between my computers and the net. When I try and set up a network connection with this, I am choosing "Ethernet connection" - it recognises the card but when I try and activate it says 3c501 device does not seem to be present. How do I go about setting my computer up to speak to my router? Cheers John

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Fedora CDs Request
by Mark Grimshaw 31 Jul '04

31 Jul '04

Hi all, Is anyone able to supply Fedora CDs? Ideally at the university so I can pick them up tomorrow. If so, give me a room number, time to be there and no. CDs to replace. Thanks. Mark Grimshaw.

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GRUB woes
by Mark Grimshaw 31 Jul '04

31 Jul '04

Hi all, I recently upgraded hardware (m'board, CPU, video, RAM etc.) on the system that I've been using dual/boot/GRUB (W2K and, recently RH9) for the last 2 years. Knowing I would have to reinstall the OSs, I installed W2K first then RH9. Unfortunately, I seem to have misplaced GRUB and the system simply goes straight to the W2K boot up. With RH9 installations, I've never been able to make a floppy at the end of the install process (seems to be either a RH9 'feature' or the kernel is too large for the floppy) but have always made the boot floppy from within linux. So, I'm unable to boot linux from this imaginary floppy. My previous RH9 boot floppy clearly has the wrong kernel for the new hardware and I can't load that (both boot floppies I have). I've lost count of the number of times I've reinstalled RH9 in the last few days or chosen the upgrade option from the CD each time trying some different combination of boot loader (including trying to go back to LILO). I've even tried sticking GRUB and LILO on the MBR rather than the boot partition. I have Tom's rtboot and a GRUB floppy both of which run. From these, including the RH9/boot CD/linux rescue option, I've tried grub-install options and grub commandline (root (hd1,0); setup (hd1)) options - each time I get an installed successfully message but each boot, up comes Windows. I have two HDs: W2K (inc. linux swap) on hda LINUX: /dev/hdb3 / /dev/hdb1 /boot I know most HOWTOs state that the linux boot should be on the same hard drive as the windows OS but these are the partitions I've been successfully dual-booting from with GRUB for the past 2 years. I have no more hair left to tear out - please help. Mark.

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This install howto is Literally from hell
by Gavin Denby 30 Jul '04

30 Jul '04

Just in case you have a had a day as stress filled as mine and need a chuckle, and assuming you can get your hands on a mac http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml After all it does take a special kind of geek to get linux running on a dead badger. Have a surreal day

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RE: [wlug] This install howto is Literally from hell
by Lindsay Druett 30 Jul '04

30 Jul '04

Well, this is definitely food for discussion with audiophiles around the place, especially musso's... But firstly cooling is not an issue anymore where some ATX P4 cases come provisioned for up to six fans, maybe more, and fans are $ 10.00 each from PB Tech. For the see through cases with neon lights, LEDs, etc, etc, etc, you now have the glow... But the reality, and this appeals to me, is that the sound output is a lot mellower, even harmonics, and a better quality sound all round, especially at the lower end of the sound spectrum. I found eight models of A-Open motherboards with the "TubeSound" feature. It also depends what you are hooking into. If it was my Yamaha amp for home theatre, then nah - I want Dolby Digital/DTS input for the 5.1 (6 Channel) input. But for the NAD setup with two channel listening, then that would be just awesome... Just my some thoughts.... Good find Bruce... > -----Original Message----- > From: zcat [mailto:zcat(a)wired.net.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2004 23:41 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] This install howto is Literally from hell > > > I've never really understood what's remotely funny about that page. > > OTOH, this > (http://english.aopen.com.tw/products/mb/ax4b-533tube.htm) is > funny. And apparently real. > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [wlug] The Burning Desktop issue.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

PHEW! Did I ask a question? So I should not ask about different distibutions I guess. Thanks for the opinions all, I will try to sort out the information. Regards John.. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > The simple answer is Gavin, you know nothing about > computers and you are stuck in front of the computer and > told to view a web page, does the desktop lend itself to > making it shit easy to launch a browser? > > Is the desktop intuitive? if it needs to much thought to > figure it out, its not a good desktop. > > Will it adapt? and is it simple to adapt? > > Will it support non visual forms of I/O? > > If it needs a super computer to execute then it is not a > good desktop, so is it scale-able? > > KISS! > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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The Burning Desktop issue.
by Gavin Denby 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

As I come to the end of my Live CD evaluations, (Yours left today Oliver, sorry it took so long) I have found myself asking a really interesting question of what makes a good desktop. Naturally the best answer is "one that does what the user wants it to do." the problem is what does the average desktop user want to do ? In a sort of applied way, I used to sell cellphones, and people would come in and ask for a good deal on a cellphone, and the traditional sales role was here is model on special for ... model B if you more features. I alway started with the question, what are you wanting to do with it who will be using it, and how many calls will it receive and make. then I cold tailor the best package for the user, I also sold the most car and truck phones (installed) of any rep, and had a strong business clientelle. They needed tools, not cheep phones. Later I would get people asking my advice on buying a laptop, my question was the same, what do you want to do with it, where do you plan to use it, is battery life or speed and graphics your goal. PC's are flexible tools, My father in law's pc is used for genealogy, writes document files, e-mail and Internet and plays solitaire. My wifes sister, surfs the net and uses chat software, while her son plays games and only games. My wife does spreadsheets, makes sewing graphics for her janome, so she users her scanner, downloads images/video her digital camera and firewire camcorder and makes movies with this, she also also creates musical soundtracks with live instruments, writes music scores and of course also uses it for e-mail and web surfing. of course it all need printing. I hack software (with permission of course) develop electronic circuits, generate code for Microcontrollers, write manuals, test software , re-write manuals keep track of work flow, run a bug track system, manage servers, mange remote systems by short life dial up connections. Update my ipaq and handle huge amounts of e-mail including tech support. A lot of printing, a little video and very really some scanning. Oh and I move around a lot , so I am wireless. My son plays games ...... oh yeah, he surfs the net to get patches for his games too ......... Nah thats it he plays Games. So what is an average user ??? ..... Maybe someone who can use and average desktop. Circular logic ??? Maybe thats why there is so much of a problem with deciding on a desktop distro. so here is my take based on a newbie with a first PC. E-Mail with an easy to set up pop client Web Browser with Flash, shockwave and Java either installed, or easy to do so. Document writer that can output a word document (possibly powerpoint if you are a student... they always ask for this) IM Client AOL and MSN IRC software P2P software, (I hate it ...but lets be real) Easy to setup dial up to an isp or Basic adsl options. (get a router ... Grrrrr ) Printer support Basic games (solitaire) Digital Camera support Play Music CD's Play MP3's An easy to use volume control. The ability to find and install software that suits their interests .. E.G genealogy software, and preferably with a description of what the software will do. Access to help and/or support forums that are easy to use. A Simple guide to getting started. An Instruction Manual .. so they can loose it before anyone reads it. Let me know if I missed anything obvious that would be a must have. but based on this, any of the distros commented on here would do this, and do it well. so at the end of the day it comes down to the user experience, and the general feel of the interface. Naturally Windows users will look for familiarity in the interface, Mac users aren't so fussy but have their own likes and dislikes. Linux users will just modify it to what they want. Boot time matters a little, as most users shut the machine down, and run it up when they want to use it, but the responsiveness of the desktop probably matters more, it should have a nice snappy feel. The biggest issue will be what happens when our newbie plugs his/her digital camera in, will it work? is it hard to use. Trust me .. command line will really cause an issue here. Then it will be adding some new software. I've already said what I plan to test so far, And I have added cobind to the mix as it seemed to be a suitable candidate for a fedora desktop. But its hard to come up with really objective test methodologies as I would have to know what an average user is ... and here we go again .... -- "Engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." Dr A R Dykes.

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RE: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

I had a look at the review on this distro, From what I read, it seems ideal for a newbie.The only negative comments I found was that dvd movie play can be a real hassle to set up.. Boot time is a little longer than some other distros but that is not really so important is it? If anyone has got this distro installed I would like to see some opinion/critique, also if you are a new user or a seasoned Linuxer. Regards John.. > > Hey Gund, > > I loaded SuSE onto my desktop here at Uni. > What an awesome distro... > Very easy to load up. Thanks again. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gund Wehsling > > [mailto:Gund.Wehsling(a)computerland.co.nz] Sent: > > Thursday, 22 July 2004 13:09 To: Waikato Linux Users > > Group Subject: RE: [wlug] Suse Live CD > > > > > > Hi > > > > I am in Collingwood street and have good copies of both > > the live 9.1 and > > personal 9.1 install. > > > > I am quite busy during the day, but will make copies on > > a swap for a blank basis. Mail me off list for contact > > details and when and where. > > Rgds > > > > > > > > Gund > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wayne Rooney [mailto:wrooney(a)ihug.co.nz] > > Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 1:27 a.m. > > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > > Subject: Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD > > > > > > >finally got the iso, but its bad > > > > >redownoading but at least tomorrow before its here , so > > if anyone else > > has it ...... > > > > A tip for the future. If you've got a bad iso, find an > > rsync mirror and > > use > > rsync to repair it. Much quicker that re-downloading an > > entire iso. > > Wayne > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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SuSE and Novell
by Gund Wehsling 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Hi There have been some comments about SuSE in the last day or two and here is what I can tell you from a Novell point of view and I hope this will shed some light. Most of this is from reading between the lines. I am no LINUX pro either, I am a NetWare specialist (although novell had better ideas than to employ me), though I am following Novell through this "very difficult period" ;-) SuSE 9.1 personal is designed for home users who want to send and recieve mail, use thier printers, scanners, see the internet and write the odd spreadsheet and letter. That is why it is so simple and installs easily off one disc with no fuss. It is slow to start compared to other distros, but you will notice the kernel is about 1.8MB (on my machine) and for this reason it also auto detects nicely and the 'home' components work well for most machines. If you wanted to be a power user or compile your own kernel, perhaps 9.1 Pro is for you. I see that Novell now offers this as a free FTP install from thier site, something SuSE never did. If you want a server, then Novell recommends you use SuSE server 8.0, another free download, although limited time (90 day). I have been told it will cost about $650 per server (not per processor) to license. It is really, really easy to install and setup and really easy to integrate into other products. Example would be the demo I went to installed Standard edition, then eDirectory, then migrated users from Win/NetWare, setup Samba, in less than two hours, from blank hardware, the users where able to sign in and get to thier home directories. Obviously the copying of thier data will take longer. eDirectory is free too! I would like to step out and make an observation here that may cause the throwing of some chairs, but please bear with me. I would like to stress the importance of SuSE, perhaps not as the next big technological be all for everybody, but as the bleeding edge of a business model so many open source people have hoped for for a long time now. Novell is a large commercial concern and they are possible putting more than everything into the development and distribution of this OS than has been done before. Perhaps it is not the best distro there for you, but they are working in a commercial field now, so demographics and averages play a big part here. It is not likely to be the most powerful desktop in the market and it may have proprietry or non-compatible elements to what you are used to, but that is what change is about. Something new is good, even if it is something challenging or different. Please understand that Novell has large overheads (apart fom marketing open source software), so they cannot exist by giving away free software that meets all the needs and requirements of everybody and open source licensing prevents them from completely modifying everything. So, to generate income, they have produced products like NLS and ported most of thier existing application to LINUX. This creates not only viable and sustainable business migration paths, but also show big business that it is possible to do everything they need for less, better, with a well established and reliable software/server vendor. There is a state of mind in big business that free software fails and is dificult to support. Novell is working really hard to disspell this. If you are in the integrator market, you will see that Novell is handing out heaps of free training and publicity to push this. Try it thoroughly before you knock it, if it is not for you, then try something else. This is where I will be though. Throw your chairs. I have a copy of SuSE 8.0 limited time server if you are interested in showing your customer something new. I can make copies, over the weekends only though. Have fun and go easy when you flame me, I am new here. gund

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction to Linux and Network Security. A fairly high-level discussion of various aspects of security, looking at topics such as: * Firewalls * Network Address Translation ([NAT]) * De-militirized zones ([DMZ]s) * Virtual Private Networks ([VPN]s) and [IPSec] * Secure Sockets Layer ([SSL]) Location: CrawshawSchool Time: 7pm Doors will be open from ten to seven or so, presentation will start shortly after 7.

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Peer to peer?
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

I was hoping to get a file sharing program then Try Gnutella for some mpeg/ogg files. What application should I use for this and can I "yum install <nameofapp>" and join the file share deal? Regards John

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Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD let me down, so I seek a better desktop.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

Thank you for explaining kvm. My interest is mainly in the hard drive install, I have a live c/d version of Knoppix. Regards John.. > KVM is Keyboard Video Mouse switching > > It allows me to have 2 PC's working on the same monitor > and keyboard, they worked fine, but it missed the mouse. > I have seen that before too. > > Also I only looked at the live CD whie the other report > was a 9.1 hard drive install, a whole different CD. > > I will be installing it later. _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD let me down, so I seek a better desktop.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

I look forward to the results being posted with much interest ----- Original Message Follows ----- > I'm playing with a number of distros as I want to find an > ideal little distro that is as easy as pie for a newbie. This is what I am looking for also.. > I tried the live CD, and ... how do i say it nicely. .... > not a pretty experience, 2 machines wouldn't even boot to > X, and the third did but no mouse, (I think the KVM > switch might have upset something,) I wonder why in the space of a posting the o/s goes from awesome (lindsay) to the result that you found. I have no idea what the "kvm" switch is or does. Regards John.. > >>I loaded SuSE onto my desktop here at Uni. > >>What an awesome distro... > >>Very easy to load up. Thanks again. > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 24 Jul '04

24 Jul '04

Thanks Aristotle, I did read that page prior to writing and note the comments. I was however hoping they were a little out of date and/or some more people had become interested in ver 9.1 as the thread implied. Regards John > See http://www.wlug.org.nz/Suse which is mostly my doing. > > Regards, > -- > Aristotle > "If you can't laugh at yourself, you don't take life > seriously enough." > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by Lindsay Druett 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

Hey Gund, I loaded SuSE onto my desktop here at Uni. What an awesome distro... Very easy to load up. Thanks again. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gund Wehsling [mailto:Gund.Wehsling(a)computerland.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 13:09 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: RE: [wlug] Suse Live CD > > > Hi > > I am in Collingwood street and have good copies of both the > live 9.1 and > personal 9.1 install. > > I am quite busy during the day, but will make copies on a swap for a > blank basis. Mail me off list for contact details and when and where. > > Rgds > > > > Gund > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Rooney [mailto:wrooney(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 1:27 a.m. > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD > > > >finally got the iso, but its bad > > >redownoading but at least tomorrow before its here , so if > anyone else > has it ...... > > A tip for the future. If you've got a bad iso, find an rsync > mirror and > use > rsync to repair it. Much quicker that re-downloading an entire iso. > > Wayne > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction to Linux and Network Security. A fairly high-level discussion of various aspects of security, looking at topics such as: * Firewalls * Network Address Translation ([NAT]) * De-militirized zones ([DMZ]s) * Virtual Private Networks ([VPN]s) and [IPSec] * Secure Sockets Layer ([SSL]) Location: CrawshawSchool Time: 7pm Doors will be open from ten to seven or so, presentation will start shortly after 7.

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RE: [wlug] Re: @jetstreamgames.co.nz
by Chris Day 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

>>I got model XH7916 with software version Rel9v3. Is it worth it to upgrade to >>a later version? Hi Felix. The short answer is yes. As a similar question has been raised in the NZADSL Mailing list, and as the question is more ADSL related than Linux, I'll post the specific advantages there for all to see. Regards, Chris...

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RE: [wlug] Re: @jetstreamgames.co.nz
by Ross Hamblin 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

But don't forget to write down your current settings first :) Ross Hamblin DSE (NZ) Ltd. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Day > Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:47 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: RE: [wlug] Re: @jetstreamgames.co.nz > > > The latest firmware (Rel9v4 & Rel9v5) defaults DSE ADSL > Routers (XH79156, XH1149 & XH1169) to log on to > Jetstreamgames by default. If you are using one of these > firmware versions, simply choose the 'restore factory > settings' option. > Regards, Chis Day - DSE(NZ)Ltd. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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RE: [wlug] Re: @jetstreamgames.co.nz
by Chris Day 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

The latest firmware (Rel9v4 & Rel9v5) defaults DSE ADSL Routers (XH79156, XH1149 & XH1169) to log on to Jetstreamgames by default. If you are using one of these firmware versions, simply choose the 'restore factory settings' option. Regards, Chis Day - DSE(NZ)Ltd.

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RE: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by Gund Wehsling 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Hi I am in Collingwood street and have good copies of both the live 9.1 and personal 9.1 install. I am quite busy during the day, but will make copies on a swap for a blank basis. Mail me off list for contact details and when and where. Rgds Gund -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Rooney [mailto:wrooney(a)ihug.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 1:27 a.m. To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD >finally got the iso, but its bad >redownoading but at least tomorrow before its here , so if anyone else has it ...... A tip for the future. If you've got a bad iso, find an rsync mirror and use rsync to repair it. Much quicker that re-downloading an entire iso. Wayne _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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SCO flops in DaimlerChrysler Unix lawsuit
by Gavin Denby 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

Breaking news. In a hearing Wednesday, Judge Rae Lee Chabot of Oakland County Circuit Court in Michigan granted most of DaimlerChrysler's motion to dismiss the case, SCO and DaimlerChrysler representatives said. The loss doesn't set a precedent, but it does make it harder for SCO to pursue its overall case, said Mark Radcliffe <http://dw.com.com/redir?destUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gcwf.com%2Fgcc%2FGrayCary-…>, an intellectual-property attorney at Gray Cary. "The more that SCO is unsuccessful in its claims, the more it decreases their ability to go out and use the threat of litigation to obtain settlements," he said. "It diminishes their credibility." Full story at: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5278572.html But I still ask .. "What credibility did SCO ever have in these cases? I guess the dominoes will start to fall now, so we will all be able to get back to what we do well...... Oh thats right, we never really stopped anyway did we. -- "Engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." Dr A R Dykes - 2003

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Network Problem (SuSE 9.1)
by Felix Hohener 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

I have just installed SuSE for the first time, including the firewall. The computer is connected to a small home network with 3 other Windows machines. I am trying to access the Windows machines, however, I get the error message "unable to find any workgroups". I can ping the machines and print via the the Windows machine. If I turn the firewall off, I can browse the network. If I turn the firewall on again after doing the browse, I am still able to access the Windows machines on the network. What do I need to change, so it sees the network without having to go through turning off/on the firewall each time I boot up? Thanks --- Felix

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Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by Wayne Rooney 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

>finally got the iso, but its bad >redownoading but at least tomorrow before its here , so if anyone else has it ...... A tip for the future. If you've got a bad iso, find an rsync mirror and use rsync to repair it. Much quicker that re-downloading an entire iso. Wayne

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Committee meeting minutes
by Craig Box 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

Hi everyone, Another month, another committee meeting; to check we're all worthy of re-election in the upcoming (September) AGM, check out the minutes at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2004-07-21. Also, I've wikied Gavin's summary of the DSE computer expo at http://www.wlug.org.nz/DickSmithElectronicsComputerExpo. Regards, Secretary Reminder Bot

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DSE powerhouse - Read the Book, Saw the Movie, Got the T-Shirt
by Gavin Denby 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

May I offer my hearty congratulations to all those who both helped out and those who popped in and said hi, hundreds of Open Office CD's as well as Knoppix /morphix CD's were given away, Many people had a first look at open source, and Hundreds of WLUG brochures were taken by interested people. DSE staff tell me they had a really good weekend with PC sales, and the response from staff was that it went well and they felt positive about doing something like it again. (They Had some good specials so I dont think we get the credit for this) Sunday saw Bruce bring in the OS Revolution video which was played on a PC in store, It got a lot of interest, and helped us move CD's and flyers. Also Bruce and family set up some addictive games and got the kids playing, as a result there will be a lot of new frozen bubble players wanting to boot up linux for another game. I found people very responsive, and pleased to know that there was some choice in NZ, they were also very keen to realize that Kiwi's were involved in Linux and Open Source projects, and that we had a group here in the Waikato. It was a very pleasant way to spend a day. A lot of people also were very interested in the more technical aspects of linux, and what it could do, and some with older PC's were pleased to learn of projects such as Feather and other minimal Linux's for their boxes. We also discussed hardware, and what would work best in a linux/windows PC. Staff asked us to assist with questions, and seemed happy to have our experience and independence there for customers to bounce ideas off. In short, if there was a PC question on Linux, we probably heard it. Great work team. We showed the best face to the community, and came across well. You earned your shirts, wear them with pride. Thanks also to Chris and Ross from DSE for allowing us to be involved, we hope that DSE and their Customers got as much from the weekend as we did. Also well done Daniel and the rest of the committee for organizing all this and making is flow for those of us who did a shift. I'm going to bed now with a new respect for those in retail who are on their feet all day, and spend all day trying to help people with their problems. Again well done to all who gave up time to help out. Look out for new sign ups to the mail list.

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