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RE: [wlug] WLUG Members - Input Required
by David Nicholls 22 Sep '04

22 Sep '04

-----Original Message----- From: Greig McGill [mailto:greig(a)hamiltron.net] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:32 pm To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] WLUG Members - Input Required Greetings all. Several matters have arisen at tonight's committee meeting which require some input from the WLUG in general. PLEASE read this email, and offer your input - preferably offlist, but onlist if you'd like feedback from other WLUG members. 1. WLUG Funding Last year, the committee attempted to raise funds for the purchase of a mobile test rig/demo lab consisting of a server, a workstation, and several peripherals for use in presentations, training, and perhaps community education. We were declined on all three attempts, but will be trying again this year. What we need to know is: Is this a good goal for funding? Do you have a better idea? Is there a service you would like to see the WLUG provide that is currently unrealistic due to funding restrictions? Keep in mind that funding must be applied for with a specific project in mind, as funding cannot be used to meet ongoing running costs, or allow for events that may not happen. 2. New and Inexperienced Users As mentioned at the AGM, the WLUG has been accused of being unsupportive of new or inexperienced users. It was explained that the *active* members of the WLUG, ie. the ones who do all the work, are experienced users, and are thus unlikely to arrange meetings on beginner topics, or arrange installfests, which they have little desire to attend. We don't wish to alienate the new or inexperienced users however, but we need some of them to step up, and volunteer to present some beginner topics, arrange workshops, and perhaps start a "beginner stream". You will have the full backing, and support of the "old hands" - just tell us what you need. I repeat TELL US WHAT YOU NEED! Nothing is more demoralising than being complained at for not providing something which no one has ever told us they wanted. We do have something scheduled for the new people. October's meeting will be dedicated to using the WLUG resources - the Wiki, mailing list, effective use of Google, etc. It will also feature a live "fixup workshop". This will consist of people bringing their "broken" setups, and we will pick a few, and solve them, live, on the projector. This will not only get the problem fixed, but will show the troubleshooting process, and hopefully demystify the black-magic aspect of what the 'gurus' of the group do. Details will follow. Suggestions are welcome and encouraged. Regards, Greig McGill ElPresidente :) _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 22 Sep '04

22 Sep '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Kangro from Novell will speak. All are welcome to attend. 7pm, 23rd Sept University of Waikato Park in Gate 1, Knighton Rd Room: LitB.G.02 http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map.pdf

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Re: [wlug] Wireless up and running Yipeeeeeeeeee
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

Good on you Bill.. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > I finally have most of the Ad-Hoc Wireless link > working. Only missing Internet connection. > > Info @ http://www.wlug.org.nz/AdHoc > > Bill > > Learning is fun (most of the time LOL) > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Committee meeting this Wednesday
by Craig Box 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

Hi everyone, The Fist has announced the first meeting of its new committee, this Wednesday. There's a draft agenda up at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2004-09-22 - if anyone wants anything put on the agenda for this meeting, can they please email me. Remember, if we don't know about it, we can't fix it. Regards, Craig

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FW: Seminar Invitation : Novell & Linux Means Business
by Gund Wehsling 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

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FW: Firefox Presentation to Waikato Linux Users Group
by Craig Box 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

Craig Box wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Should have asked this earlier, but you wouldn't consider coming down > to Hamilton and presenting a talk about your involvement with Firefox > & the Mozilla Foundation to the Waikato Linux Users Group sometime, > would you? > > Probably a bit too late to do so for your current trip, but I assume > you're back every now and then? > > Let me know if it's the sort of thing you'd consider and if so, we'll > see what can be done! Hi Craig, Sorry for the delayed response I've been very busy these past few weeks. I'm fully booked for the next week so I won't be able to make it to Hamilton but I'll let you know I am speaking on Firefox at the University of Auckland (School of Engineering - 20 Symonds St - Room 3.402) on Monday 9/20 at high noon. Members of your group are welcome to attend. Regards, -- Ben Goodger <ben(a)mozilla.org> Lead Engineer, Mozilla Firefox +1 (650) 492 0729 The Mozilla Foundation 1350C Villa St Mountain View CA 94041

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Re: [wlug] Wireless TCP/IP
by Bill Rosoman 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

> You do have an Access point, right? No I am trying to do Ad-Hoc using 2 Wireless cards. Almost there! Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [wlug] Wireless TCP/IP
by Bill Rosoman 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

> It sounds like you're nearly there and your commands > look mostly > correct. A few suggestions and example commands <snip> Ok I tried the suggestions; I have setup the Windows machine on deb1 and chanel 6 that part is fine. Linux commands ifdown eth1 iwconfig eth1 mode Ad-Hoc essid "deb1" channel 6 ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 link established ping 192.168.0.1 PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. >From 192.168.0.5 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable >From 192.168.0.5 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable iwconfig eth1 eth1 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:"deb1" Nickname:"mordor" Mode:Ad-Hoc Channel:6 Cell: 9E:05:A8:9E:54:CF Bit Rate:11Mb/s Tx-Power=31 dBm Sensitivity=20/200 Retry min limit:8 RTS thr:2347 B Fragment thr:2346 B Encryption key:off Link Quality:196/0 Signal level:-55 dBm Noise level:-245 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 10.0.0.3 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 1 0 0 sl0 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 1 0 0 sl0 ifconfig eth1 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:09:5B:C2:C7:1A inet addr:192.168.0.5 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:48 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:5316 (5.1 Kb) Interrupt:10 Also Ethereal is looking for 192.168.0.1 using UDP and ARP If I remove WLAN and insert LAN I get ping 192.168.0.1 PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.549 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.328 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.322 ms So this is a big step in the right direction! Just the last step to go! Thanks Bill _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

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Ubuntu 4.10 preview released
by Craig Box 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

Ubuntu is a new Linux distribution that brings together the breadth of Debian with a focused selection of packages, regular releases (every six months) and a commitment to security updates with 18 months of support for every release. (/me touches himself) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/preview/ (incl. torrents) I've got the i386 iso on the way, should have it in an hour or so, will let people know how it goes. I will also arrange for some finished Ubuntu CDs to be shipped to the WLUG for distribution. Craig

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RE: [wlug] Ubuntu 4.10 preview released
by Gund Wehsling 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

Hi FYI - uBuntu translates to "humanity" or "the [collective] people" in Zulu. I had a smirk when I saw the distro being mentioned here this morning. Gund -----Original Message----- From: A. Pagaltzis [mailto:pagaltzis(a)gmx.de] Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:22 p.m. To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] Ubuntu 4.10 preview released * Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> [2004-09-16 01:40]: > I wish more distros compiled their apps as at least i586 > binaries. No one (or nearly no one) would attempt to use a > modern distro on a i386 anymore. Even 486 systems will be hard > to come by now. Slackware's packages are compiled for i486. Although I think it would be reasonable to compile the X-based stuff for i586 and better. Noone in their right mind is going to use a 486 as a desktop with GNOME. Regards, -- Aristotle "If you can't laugh at yourself, you don't take life seriously enough." _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Wireless TCP/IP
by Bill Rosoman 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

How can you "see" the AP? (ie, how are you trying to observe it) Have you given it an IP address in the same subnet as your network cards? Wireless Ad-Hoc PC to Notepad ----------------------------- Usng PC Windows ME Zyxel USB Wlan Dell Notepad; The wifi card's a Netgear WG511. www.netgear.com I have a Dell Notepad Inspiron 2650 Intel Chip running Mandrake 10 KDE 3.2 Kernel 2.6.3-7mdk To get wlan up ============== Setup Windows PC using manual IP 192.168.0.1 mask 255.255.255.0 wifi Ad-Hoc chanel 6 Run USB Wifi Linux as SU (root) kedit /etc/wlan/wlancfg-deb1 kedit /etc/modules.conf alias eth1 prism54 ifconfig eth1 inet 192.168.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 route add default gw 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth1 iwconfig eth1 ESSID "deb1" mode ad-hoc channel 6 /etc/pcmcia/network start eth1 Outcome ======= Have a strong connection between computers But cannot access computers or internet No IP address No Ping etc if I reboot using LAN everything OK (Samba, Internet) Results ------- Windows machine netstat shows nothing active ping 192.168.0.5 times out ping 192.168.0.1 excellent Linux machine apradar result eth1 Scan completed : NEW AP from accesspoint scan essid.length 4 ESSID:"deb1" Mode:Ad-Hoc 1 Encryption key:off Frequency:2.437GHz quality: -56 ping 192.168.0.1 PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. [1]+ Stopped ping 192.168.0.1 Hangs! iwlist eth1 scanning eth1 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 42:F5:A8:9E:54:CF ESSID:"deb1" Mode:Ad-Hoc Encryption key:off Frequency:2.437GHz Quality:190/0 Signal level:-55 dBm Noise level:-245 dBm route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 10.0.0.3 * 255.255.255.255 UH 1 0 0 sl0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default * 0.0.0.0 U 1 0 0 sl0 Does not show eth1? iwspy eth1 eth1 Statistics collected: 00:00:00:00:28:C2 : Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Link/Cell/AP : Quality:188/0 Signal level:-53 dBm Noise level:-5 dBm (updated) Typical/Reference : Quality:0/0 Signal level:-80 dBm Noise level:-256 dBm iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. eth1 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:"deb1" Nickname:"mordor" Mode:Ad-Hoc Channel:6 Cell: 42:F5:A8:9E:54:CF Bit Rate:11Mb/s Tx-Power=31 dBm Sensitivity=20/200 Retry min limit:8 RTS thr:2347 B Fragment thr:2346 B Encryption key:off Link Quality:177/0 Signal level:-53 dBm Noise level:-32 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 sl0 ESSID:off/any Nickname:"" NWID:8 Channel:80 Access Point: FF:BF:21:00:00:00 Bit Rate=-1.07375e+06kb/s Tx-Power=-1073746380 dBm Sensitivity=8/0 Retry:on RTS thr=-1073746380 B Fragment thr=-1073746380 B Encryption key:0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000 Power Management:on NB sl0 is my Modem cat /proc/net/dev Inter-| Receive | Transmit face |bytes packets errs drop fifo frame compressed multicast|bytes packets errs drop fifo colls carrier compressed lo: 24920 364 0 0 0 0 0 0 24920 364 0 0 0 0 0 0 eth0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 eth1: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4082 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 sl0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9990 121 0 0 0 0 0 0 Ethereal Sending ARP packets to 127.255.255.255 So now I have a couple of issues. TIA Bill _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

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Unsubscribed email addresses
by Craig Box 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Two messages today (Phil and Bill) from email addresses that are not subscribed to the list, were dropped. Please check when you are posting to the list that you are posting from the address you receive mail to! If you need to, you can subscribe multiple addresses and only receive mail to one. Craig

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Re: [wlug] I am stuck at the command line.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

My computer said it thinks it needs some firmware and suggested a site. I am downloading this then will try to install. I found out off list that pointing and click works well, is this the road to which you were re-fering Craig? Also suggested (another point and click) is to use microsoft NDIS wrapper for wlan and kernel. Regards John PS Matt your emails are still coming to me as an off list item. I have no idea why. > > > > There are often many tricky ways to make hardware work > > on Linux, or one easy "just go down the road that makes > > it work" option. > > > > Craig

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RE: iHug / Wired Country
by Gerwin van de Steeg 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Hmm, Ihug/Wired Country wireless We've had this now for about 2+ years now, and has been working fine. Upto the last couple of months that is, starting at about the time the VoIP presentation was held at our premises. The link quality has been reduced, I've been asked to switch to a different network and back (different static ip's) whilst the gear was replaced. We've had some of the radio gear in Church Rd, Ngaruawahia, and on the Hospital die, all in the past month. One of the occasions when a radio unit had been replaced, we noticed that the unit only had a maximum arp table of 7 entries which took 3 hours to get fixed. Whilst the connections were organized by Go!Live, we had an afterhours contact phone number (the guy still works there but I'm not obliged to give people his cellphone number, and he hates being called when he's holding an arial and standing on someone's roof). Since then, the afterhours and weekend support have gone down the drain. We're now getting frequent outages ranging from a couple of minutes at 20+% packet loss, to 16+ hours of 100% packet loss. Ping times are bouncing like a maniac instead of being in a reasonably steady range. We've resorted to using nagios to monitor our incoming link and report errors and warnings, which result in me receiving on avergae about 20-30 emails a day during weekdays with respect to packet loss on the link, or ping responses exceeding 500ms. When it is working however, on a good clear sunny day, our guaranteed 512k link can get speeds much greater than this (approx ~2mb is my best sofar). Now, all the problems started to occur when we shifted to the Te Rapa area of Hamilton, we had no problems in Hillcrest. GerwinVanDeSteeg

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Apache 1.3.27, PHP 4.1.2 & RHEL 2.1
by Oliver Jones 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

I've identified my problem with Apache crashing in response to HUP and USR1 signals. As suggested it appears to be PHP's fault. If I removed php from the equation the crashes go away. I've filed a bug with RedHat describing the problem. Hopefully they release an errata soon. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132488 Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country
by David Nicholls 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Well ive been with satlan for about two years now, maybe about 3 outages total. When I ring them (almost anytime too) instant friendly response and they can usually tell me what they think the prob is too. Setup: This includes installing linux on a box for you (if you wish) as a router/web server/firewall/whatever/the aerial, first months rent, fixed ip addr (telecom don't give that usually from what I see), ... And as I said before for me service ranks way up there, and I will pay just for that. I don't know what their boundries are sadly. Id suggest ringing them. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:43 am Subject: Re: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country Joseph Gibbs wrote: >thats fine if one wants to pray $450 for setup... (according to their >website) And paying a lower setup is fine if you want to put up with connectivity and packet loss issues :) Daniel

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I am stuck at the command line.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

I am attempting to install a driver set for my usb wireless adapter. The instructions I have are: ********************************************************* *** SMC WLan USB Card 11Mbps *** *** Linux Device Driver *** ********************************************************* 1. Install driver a) untar the package using the command: ---> tar zxvf SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz b) cd SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W c) ./setup.sh 2. Support a) Support RedHat 7.1, Redhat 7.2, Redhat 7.3 b) linux-kernel 2.4.17, 2.4.18 3. Module Parameters| --------------------| |------ In order to reconfigure the USB card you have to use one of the applications which comes with the driver. fvnet(command line utility) or xvnet (a graphical interface for the X windows), or the wireless tools (not tested and not recommended). For help for the fvnet and xvnet applications use the corresponding man pages. (man xvnet or man fvnet). Some of my attempts to write a command are: john(a)linux:~> su Password: linux:/home/john # ---> tar zxvf SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz bash: ---: command not found linux:/home/john # / tar zxvf SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz bash: /: is a directory linux:/home/john # tar zxvf SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz tar: SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors linux:/home/john # The folder is called SMC2662WV2 Linux.tar.gz Clicking this folder gives SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W Which shows on the location bar: tar:/home/john/SMC2662WV2_Linux.tar.gz I THINK that I am only a keystroke or two from getting this :-( Regards John

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Re: [wlug] I am stuck at the command line.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Negative, We did try but time and the possibility that we needed drivers was against us. I am now trying to set up a SuSE distro. I am SO looking for that road that makes it work. in the meantime I will take the feel good points for actually typing a couple of commands (albeit list assisted) correctly. Regards John. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Cool, I got the thing to extract and setup. I thought I > > would be tricky and run "iwconfig" > > but it reports back no wireless devices. I guess I need > > to read up some more before proceeding further. At least > > I made some progress. > > Thanks for the help so far. Regards John > > Without wanting to sound unhelpful, we got this wireless > card working at the Installfest, did we not? > > There are often many tricky ways to make hardware work on > Linux, or one easy "just go down the road that makes it > work" option. > > Craig > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] I am stuck at the command line.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Cool, I got the thing to extract and setup. I thought I would be tricky and run "iwconfig" but it reports back no wireless devices. I guess I need to read up some more before proceeding further. At least I made some progress. Thanks for the help so far. Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 15:44, Matt Brown wrote: > > Hi John, > > > > I'll step through and point out what was wrong with each > > command. > > On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 15:24, jaytee(a)clear.net.nz wrote: > > > > > linux:/home/john # ---> tar zxvf > > > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz > > > bash: ---: command not found > > .. > > > > linux:/home/john # / tar zxvf > > > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz bash: /: is a directory > > > > I'm not quite sure where the / here comes from, it is > > what is causing the problem. > > > > > linux:/home/john # tar zxvf > > > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz tar: > > > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such > file or directory > > > 6) If you can see the filename > > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz in the output of the > previous command continue, otherwise go back to step 1 > > It looks like those filenames are subtly different. > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz versus > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz (without a "W" following the > 2662). Make sure you use the correct one for the "tar" > command, depending on what the file is actually called. > > John McPherson > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > [Attachment: jrm21(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz.sig]

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iHug / Wired Country
by Joseph Gibbs 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Hi, Looking at getting wireless internet and phone package from wired country, through ihug. Will probably get the 1 or 2mbit deal. Has anyone had any experiences with them? I checked the wlug pages, not much info about them though. I'm interested in the quality of service they provide, and any other experinces you could share for/against getting this service. thanks, Joseph.

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RE: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country
by Lindsay Druett 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Few Internet outages here and there is one thing, but phone outages is another thing. > Isn't all that crash hot? My flatmates and I have got 1Mbps to burn, > no packet loss and sub 30ms pings, for $65 per month. True, > there are > a few more outages, just means we do something else for a while. > > Wireless is fairly solid and it's getting better all the time. > > Cheers, > James. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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RE: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country
by Lindsay Druett 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

I bet you can't do that at my place :) > > Isn't all that crash hot? My flatmates and I have got 1Mbps to burn, > no packet loss and sub 30ms pings, for $65 per month. True, > there are > a few more outages, just means we do something else for a while. > > Wireless is fairly solid and it's getting better all the time. > > Cheers, > James. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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RE: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country
by Lindsay Druett 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

> > WC have there own licenced spectrum, this helps. > Using own licenced spectrum definitely helps, but how many customers can you cater for in one direction with one PoP ? > > Cell phones are fairly commonplace, I would imagine most > cellphone towers > have generators? My point being that there is more than one > way to kill > a cat. Yeah, but cellphone coverage is not really that great, it's okay, but more often than not, when I am on a cellphone, I end having to go outdoors for a better signal or at least move around. Batteries go flat at the wrong time, maybe I jinxed with cellphones.... However, not great in an emergency. The cellphone is a good idea to an extend, but there is a lot of "what ifs" in my view. I'm not trying to be the party pooper here, after all, I have been playing with this stuff, check out www.lindsay.wired.net.nz/projects/sip/ but when there is an essential service involved, I am in favour of using tried and proven methods. > > Telecom sux, give the competition a go. God knows the > government isn't > helping in this area. > Have a look at www.llu.wired.net.nz - I agree with what you're saying, I can see why iHUG is providing this service, but at the end of the day I am not going to direct customers, friends, or whatever down a technology path that isn't all that crash hot - it won't do anyone a favour, in fact it will make Telecom look really good. If wireless was going really solve the local access issue and do a just as good if not better job than a wired local loop system, then the local loop unbundling proposal would have never been considered, in fact Telecom would have ditched the wired local loop system and gone wireless themselves.

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RE: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country
by David Nicholls 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Try satlan. Hell im on the 128k plan and find it great. Bugger all outages and I can ring these guys almost any time of day. Sadly I don't believe they do a phone service but the customer service is bloody good. www.Satlan.co.nz Cheers... david -----Original Message----- Joseph Gibbs wrote: >Hi, >Looking at getting wireless internet and phone package from wired >country, through ihug. Will probably get the 1 or 2mbit deal. Has >anyone had any experiences with them? I checked the wlug pages, not >much info about them though. I'm interested in the quality of service >they provide, and any other experinces you could share for/against >getting this service.

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Waikato Linux Users Group Incorporated Committee for 2005
by Craig Box 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Congratulations to the following people, who were tonight voted in as the Executive Committee for the WLUG for 2005: President: Greig McGill Vice-President: Perry Lorier Treasurer: Craig McKenna Secretary: Craig Box General Committee: Matt Brown Kyle Carter Jamie Curtis Gian Perrone John McPherson The minutes are now available at http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2004-09-13. Thanks to everyone who came. Craig

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Weird SEGV with Apache.
by Oliver Jones 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Howdy. I'm getting a weird problem with Apache on a RHEL2.1 box I have. It does on the _second_ HUP or USR1 signal it receives. So ever two days logrotate kills it. It seems to be dying when PHP reloads for the second time. Anyone have any useful ideas on how to track this problem down more precisely? End of strace log: fstat64(8, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=27598, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4046e000 read(8, "[PHP]\n\n;;;;;;;;;;;\n; WARNING ;\n;"..., 8192) = 8192 read(8, "time notices (these are warnings"..., 8192) = 8192 read(8, ".dll\n;extension=php_mysql.dll\nex"..., 8192) = 8192 read(8, " persistent links. -1 means no "..., 8192) = 3022 read(8, "", 4096) = 0 read(8, "", 8192) = 0 ioctl(8, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbffe2e10) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) close(8) = 0 munmap(0x4046e000, 4096) = 0 open("/etc/protocols", O_RDONLY) = 8 fcntl64(8, F_GETFD) = 0 fcntl64(8, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 fstat64(8, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=5834, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4046e000 read(8, "# /etc/protocols:\n# $Id: protoco"..., 4096) = 4096 close(8) = 0 munmap(0x4046e000, 4096) = 0 open("/etc/protocols", O_RDONLY) = 8 fcntl64(8, F_GETFD) = 0 fcntl64(8, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 fstat64(8, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=5834, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4046e000 read(8, "# /etc/protocols:\n# $Id: protoco"..., 4096) = 4096 close(8) = 0 munmap(0x4046e000, 4096) = 0 geteuid32() = 0 getpid() = 8935 shmget(IPC_PRIVATE, 33554432, IPC_CREAT|0600) = 14516227 shmat(14516227, 0, 0) = 0x4292e000 shmctl(14516227, IPC_64|IPC_STAT, 0xbffe3a00) = 0 getuid32() = 0 getgid32() = 0 shmctl(14516227, IPC_64|IPC_SET, 0xbffe3a00) = 0 shmctl(14516227, IPC_64|IPC_RMID, 0) = 0 unlink("/tmp/session_mm_apache0.sem") = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/tmp/session_mm_apache0.sem", O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0600) = 8 fcntl64(8, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 getpid() = 8935 fcntl64(8, F_SETLKW, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=0}) = 0 fcntl64(8, F_SETLKW, {type=F_UNLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=0}) = 0 open("/usr/lib/php4/imap.so", O_RDONLY) = 9 read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\360\20"..., 1024) = 1024 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=1453914, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 771468, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x4492e000 mprotect(0x449e7000, 13708, PROT_NONE) = 0 old_mmap(0x449e7000, 16384, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0xb8000) = 0x449e7000 close(9) = 0 open("/usr/kerberos/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 9 read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0000J\0\000"..., 1024) = 1024 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=91717, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 74532, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x408fe000 mprotect(0x4090f000, 4900, PROT_NONE) = 0 old_mmap(0x4090f000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0x10000) = 0x4090f000 close(9) = 0 open("/usr/kerberos/lib/libkrb5.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 9 read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\200\362"..., 1024) = 1024 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=432826, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 363904, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x449eb000 mprotect(0x44a41000, 11648, PROT_NONE) = 0 old_mmap(0x44a41000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0x55000) = 0x44a41000 close(9) = 0 open("/usr/kerberos/lib/libk5crypto.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 9 read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\360 \0"..., 1024) = 1024 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=78765, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 68148, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x44a44000 mprotect(0x44a53000, 6708, PROT_NONE) = 0 old_mmap(0x44a53000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0xe000) = 0x44a53000 close(9) = 0 open("/usr/kerberos/lib/libcom_err.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 9 read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0P\t\0\000"..., 1024) = 1024 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=8653, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 8584, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x406ad000 mprotect(0x406ae000, 4488, PROT_NONE) = 0 old_mmap(0x406ae000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0) = 0x406ae000 close(9) = 0 stat64("/etc/cram-md5.pwd", 0xbffe39e0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/dev/urandom", {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0644, st_rdev=makedev(1, 9), ...}) = 0 open("/usr/share/ssl/openssl.cnf", O_RDONLY) = 9 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=7338, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4046e000 read(9, "#\n# OpenSSL example configuratio"..., 4096) = 4096 read(9, "onName_default\t= World Wide Web "..., 4096) = 3242 read(9, "", 4096) = 0 close(9) = 0 munmap(0x4046e000, 4096) = 0 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- chdir("/etc/httpd") = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGSEGV, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 getpid() = 8935 kill(8935, SIGSEGV) = 0 sigreturn() = ? (mask now [RTMIN]) --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Daemon monitoring tools.
by Oliver Jones 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Hi guys. Way back in the ancient mists of time I remember seeing some daemon monitoring app. I can't remember what it was called though. It basically was a tool that ensured that particular daemons on a host were always running. Ie, if they crashed or whatever the monitoring app ran the appropriate rc script to restart them. Anyone know what I'm talking about or a good app that does this? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] New Workstation Hardware Advice
by David Nicholls 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Hi gund, I must say I agree with oliver on this topic... The athlon cpu could well be the way to go. Most of the processors (to coin a phrase) "honk along" at VERY nice speeds. The physics dept at the waikato uni uses almost exclusively a64s. Hoever the 32 bit cpus are just as good and I believe they are going to be dual coreing them in the near future. There are some VERY nice mobos out for these boards... www.tomshardware.com is a good place to go for reviews of chips, boards and gfx cards... They not only test on win systems but a linux build as well so you get an idea of how much trouble they went to to get things working. Basically you need to have a look, have a think about the details of what you want in your system, then come back and ask us if its any good and we can tear it to shreds for you:) Just don't forget the floppy drive ;) Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Gund Wehsling [mailto:Gund.Wehsling(a)computerland.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 11:56 am Subject: [wlug] New Workstation Hardware Advice Hi I am thinking about getting a new workstation for study/development. It will be a beast. Apart form the favourable reviews of NVidia graphics cards here, are there any preferences to motherboards? IDE RAID controllers? I have been living in laptop land for a while now and have lost contact with desktop options and hardware. Ideally, the desktop will have 3GHz Processor or thereabouts 4GB RAM 2x120GB hard drives (one for mirror / backup) DVD Writer The machine will primarily be used for VMs, so throughput would be nice and the RAM _needs_ to be big. Also, as I am a struggling NetWare engineer, a nice place that sells this and helps with finance would be a plus. Any thoughts in this direction, assume I am ignorant please. Many thanks Gund

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Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by Craig Box 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 22:02 +0000, Felix Hohener wrote: > Craig > > Just tried this, but I am not going anywhere. Is there any password involved > in the log on or just "user(a)jetstreamgames.co.nz" and nothing else? You need to specify a password I believe, but it can be anything. The username can also be anything as long as it ends with @jetstreamgames.co.nz You can then log in but only connect a range of selected IPs for games servers, including ftp.jetstreamgames.co.nz - make sure that whatever DNS server you're using is inside this list of IPs. You can use jetstreamgames's DNS server at 203.96.91.1 Craig

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Annual General Meeting, TONIGHT 7:00pm
by Craig Box 12 Sep '04

12 Sep '04

In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter, I would like to remind all members that the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting *tonight* at 7pm, at the Crawshaw School Multi Purpose Room (the hall, where the Installfest was held, is unavailable, so we've moved to a replacement room. It will be signposted.) Doors will open about 6:45pm; please be prompt. Remember your $20 subscription fee. Craig

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This meeting, on a different date to the regular September meeting, is the 2004 [Annual General Meeting|AGM] of the [Waikato Linux Users Group Incorporated|WlugIncorporated]. * Venue: CrawshawSchool Multi-Purpose Room * Time: 7pm (Doors open 6:45, please be prompt). * Remember: [your $20 2004-2005 membership fee|http://www.wlug.org.nz/JoinWlug] Agenda: # Apologies # [Minutes of the previous AGM|MeetingTopics.2003-09-22] (22 September 2003) # Matters arising # Chairman's report # Treasurer's report # [Election of Officers|WlugElections] # General Business Please note that nominations are now being taken through the WlugElections page.

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RE: [wlug] New Workstation Hardware Advice
by Gund Wehsling 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

I am only familiar with VMWare. But open to new ideas. So this is what I do: A customer wants wot make xyz work with abc in his specific environment. So I build the system in a VMWare session and prove it works before going out to the site and implimenting the change, a nice way to do things on a limited budget. Also, I have pre-built machines in a virtual lab that I use to test new software for campatibility reasons etc. If there is another way to do that, then that would be great. It would also be nice to say I have a desktop with 4GB of RAM, but we can get into that later;-) Gund -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Wed 8/09/2004 12:40 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] New Workstation Hardware Advice > Apart form the favourable reviews of NVidia graphics cards here, are > there any preferences to motherboards? IDE RAID controllers? I have > been living in laptop land for a while now and have lost contact with > desktop options and hardware. > > Ideally, the desktop will have > > 3GHz Processor or thereabouts > 4GB RAM > 2x120GB hard drives (one for mirror / backup) > DVD Writer Perhaps you would be best with an Athlon 64 based system? Not sure how well nVidia works with 64bit Linux though. From what I know (which is little) they have a very fast FSB etc. If you only want to go 32bit then 800Mhz FSB P4's are quite nice. I have a P4 2.6Ghz Intel i865 based system under my desk. It performs quite nicely. > The machine will primarily be used for VMs, so throughput would be > nice and the RAM _needs_ to be big. By VMs I take it you mean Virtual Machines. Are you planning on using User Model Linux or VMWare? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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New Workstation Hardware Advice
by Gund Wehsling 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

Hi I am thinking about getting a new workstation for study/development. It will be a beast. Apart form the favourable reviews of NVidia graphics cards here, are there any preferences to motherboards? IDE RAID controllers? I have been living in laptop land for a while now and have lost contact with desktop options and hardware. Ideally, the desktop will have 3GHz Processor or thereabouts 4GB RAM 2x120GB hard drives (one for mirror / backup) DVD Writer The machine will primarily be used for VMs, so throughput would be nice and the RAM _needs_ to be big. Also, as I am a struggling NetWare engineer, a nice place that sells this and helps with finance would be a plus. Any thoughts in this direction, assume I am ignorant please. Many thanks Gund

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SuSE 9.0 Server ISOs have arrived
by Gund Wehsling 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Good Day If you would like a copy of SuSE 9.0 Server ISOs I have a good verified copy of all 6. These are the same as the ISOs from Novells site and are 90-day limited. They will be the basis of a small business project I would like to start investigating from October and discussing here. I would be happy to cut you a copy if required - there are 6 all together - it may take time, but will be heaps quicker than downloading them yourself. Gund

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Dual head vid card for FC2
by Jodi Thomson 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

I've just upgraded to Fedora Core 2 and my old dual head config of a RIVA TNT2 & S3 Trio64 no longer wants to work for some unknown reason. To that end I'm looking at buying a new dual head card to replace them with. I've tried a MGA G400 with limited success as the secondary display is blotchy. I've tried googling for xorg supported hardware with little to no results. Can anyone suggest a card that will work? Cheers Jodi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before."

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is Mgetty the right tool ?
by Gavin Denby 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

I am planning to add to my network again, to allow me to test stuff, and to allow me a remote access to my network. Basically I plan to be my own isp. I have jetstream at home, and I can access it from machines on the network, No problem. What I want to do net is to set up a server that I can dial into over my cellphone when I am away from the office and become part of the network This means I wish to access, not only my Internet, but also all my shared directories ... etc, It looks like mgetty will do this, has anyone done something like this before. Mostly it will be on an internal pabx line for testing purposes, and will give a basic 33.6k connection to the network. other than the obvious security risks, and slow speed, are there any pitfalls I should be aware of or better tools/methods I should consider. -- "Engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." Dr A R Dykes.

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Sendmail... huge queue.
by Oliver Jones 06 Sep '04

06 Sep '04

I've noticed that my sendmail daemon has loads (57,000+) files in it's mqueue directory. I'm also getting lots of "grew WorkList for /var/spool/mqueue to 5000" type messages in my logs. I guess these log messages are related in some manner to the huge number of old messages in the mqueue dir. I was just looking at some of these messages and they date back quite a while. Back to June etc. Why has sendmail not purged these failed or delayed messages? I also note that I get quite a lot of: sendmail[29533]: i6IGZcl12816: to=<er(a)deeper.co.nz>, delay=49+11:13:30, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=cyrus, pri=121373, relay=localhost, dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown sendmail[29533]: i6IGZcl12816: i863nAl29533: DSN: User unknown sendmail[29533]: i863nAl29533: to=<paulfrenchvn(a)base.yonsei.ac.kr>, delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=esmtp, pri=31301, relay=base.yonsei.ac.kr. [165.132.77.200], dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown sendmail[29533]: i863nAl29533: i863nAm29533: return to sender: User unknown sendmail[29533]: i863nAm29533: to=postmaster, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=cyrus, pri=31401, relay=localhost [[UNIX: /var/imap/socket/lmtp]], dsn=5.6.0, stat=Service unavailable sendmail[29533]: i863nAl29533: Losing ./qfi863nAl29533: savemail panic sendmail[29533]: i863nAl29533: SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere Fortunately this is primarily because of spam but shouldn't the double bounce at least be delivered to postmaster on hostility? I set up a specific account for postmaster on our cyrus IMAP server. And it certainly gets a lot of other spam and virus bounces. Perhaps this is all related somehow? Anyone here experience in the black art of sendmail who might be able to enlighten me? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Annual General Meeting, 13 Sep (2 weeks today)
by Craig Box 06 Sep '04

06 Sep '04

In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter, I would like to remind all members that the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting on Monday, 13 September, 2004, at 7pm, at the Crawshaw School Hall (the same location as the Installfest.) All WLUG members are encouraged to make nominations for the WLUG committee for 2005. The charter specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. We are accepting nominations via the web page http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugElections. The conditions of nomination are: * You shouldn't nominate yourself. (If you want to stand, post a note on the bottom of the page asking for someone to nominate you.) * You can only nominate or second someone if you are currently a 2003-2004 paid up member. * You can only vote at the upcoming AGM if you were a 2003-2004 paid up member, and have signed a new membership form for 2004-2005 (remember, you have 90 days to pay.) If you're at all interested, please ask someone to nominate you! Regards, Craig

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Re: SUse v FC2
by Craig Box 05 Sep '04

05 Sep '04

(also CC'd to wlug-list for interest) Hi Gun, > I'm investigating a server for my NW of 6-8 workstations. Do you > think FC2 or SuSE as a server for file and printer sharing? Is SUse > free like FC2 is? SUSE is free in the same way that all Linuxes are; they're built on GPL components, but some distributions are not necessarily made available the same way as others. You can download SUSE as a Knoppix-like live CD, a single CD "personal" distribution (that isn't what you want for a server) or you can get the packages for other versions of SUSE from their FTP site, and install it manually. You could also find people who have a copy locally, I'm expect Gund or Michael Cree will be able to help. Of those two I would recommend Fedora Core here - this is my personal recommendation, as I know it and like it and I can't really say the same about SUSE. As for "the recommendation of the LUG as a whole", if you're prepared to do everything from the command line and do a lot of learning, you still can't go past Debian. There will be a new version called "Sarge" (3.1) released in a couple of months; you can get a recent ISO file of the installer and go from there, downloading more recent packages off the Internet, or you could install Woody (3.0) and wait till Sarge is released and release over the top, etc.. A large reason people that moved away from Red Hat to Debian on their servers is that Red Hat didn't have an automatic way of downloading and installing packages, and Debian did (apt-get). Now, Red Hat (in the form of the Fedora Project) has yum, apt-get and up2date to choose from, it's not really a problem any more. Also, there is more software packaged for Debian (11,000 packages or so) but for the ones that you regularly need, they're all available in 3rd parties repositories for Fedora. >From my estimates of your experience, I think you couldn't go past Fedora Core. FC3 is also coming out in a couple of months time. Craig

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RE: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 03 Sep '04

03 Sep '04

Yes it is, right under NZ. I don't think you got that far because of no dial up connection > > CHAT means Chatham Islands. Thanks Wayne I wondered what NZ chat time was when I saw it there (silly noob) > And it's moot because it wasn't listed at all. > > Craig I installed SuSE onto my laptop and desktop. Got a couple of problems with the monitors not reporting there X Y's When I manually configured them (with the gooey)The laptop remains unaffected and keeps reporting the problem, the desktopnow proudly announces there have been changes at every boot. We have a dial up with free net They have a peculiar habit of killing the connection every three hours which has meant that the update has crashed a couple of times and now yast is reporting that it " could not write server list to disk abort update?" If anyone knows how to deal with this it would be nice to hear from them.. Regards John..

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RE: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review
by Gund Wehsling 03 Sep '04

03 Sep '04

Hi Thank you for the great review, I would like to make a few points known that are not obvious to first time installers of SuSE: New Zealand timezone is listed under the 'Global' section in the continent selector as NZ or NZ-CHAT. ACPI is still regarded as experimental and a message to this effect is displayed when you try to alter any power settings. The message says to enable ACPI before the settings will become available. ACPI is located in the last tab on the power screen and can be enabled. Once enabled, the power control and ACPI functions become available. The idea to make it small and accessible will make it small and accessible, so there is little room for 'nice to haves'. The target market is definitely not the general LINUX community, so there will be no compile tools and little command line stuff. I think the idea is that my mother could install it and use it well on her P1. It autodetects _most_ commercially available hardware and is a great alternative to a couple of hundred dollars worth of competitive products. Other than that I liked your review and would like to see more like this on lists like this. Many thanks Gund -----Original Message----- From: Craig Box [mailto:craig(a)dubculture.co.nz] Sent: Wed 1/09/2004 21:13 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review As pointed out on the SUSE page on the wiki, the German distribution SUSE has never had much of a following in New Zealand. With the purchase of Novell and the impending push in support that Novell will give for SUSE based products, and the new availability of a one-CD 'personal' edition, I thought I'd give SUSE a try. Installation The personal edition of SUSE comes on one CD, and it seems very positive from the start. Immediately upon boot you get a nice graphical splash screen, allowing you to either continue booting from the hard drive or install Linux, in normal or failsafe mode. It will attempt to automatically detect your screen resolution for the graphical installer, or you can pick one from a list. When YaST, the SUSE installer/setup tool loads, the good impressions continue. The installer is very much like the RedHat/FedoraProject installer, with help down the left side and the main options in a larger window on the right. It makes some judgements about your computer and offers a single click install. It detected a Windows partition and offered to shrink it and install into the newly created space, which would be an excellent option for new users. On my test machine, a P3-500 laptop with 192mb of RAM, I told it I wanted to manually override this and install to the whole hard drive. There are some niggles in the installer - you specify the time zone at this point, and there wasn't one for New Zealand at all! I had to select GMT+12 from an "Etc" list, but this won't account for daylight savings. At this point I should point out that the functionality available is limited by the fact this is a one CD distribution - you don't get GNOME, but SUSE has always been strongly aligned with KDE. The installer claimed it was going to install 1.4Gb of data - decent compression for a 700mb CD - and did so in a little over 45 minutes. The slide show was reasonably standard, offering screenshots and soundbites. KDE is referred to as "the comfortable desktop" - a comment on it's well known "resemblance" to MicrosoftWindows, I'm sure. The screenshots looked like they could do with being updated. They advertised Kopete and GAIM on the same screen - while it's nice to have options, it's also nice to have a 'best of breed'. (The personal edition doesn't actually have GAIM). Also, for a Windows user going through this setup, I think I'd like to see projects with less 'kooky' names. After a reboot, YaST continued with it's first boot routine, setting up user accounts and hardware. It complained about 'root' as a root password on two counts, being too short and containing the username. It also asked me to create a user account, and I notice it had auto-login on for that user. It also auto-detected the laptop's built in modem. After about an hour total, I had booted into SUSE. Desktop Experience Linux is Linux, and as a regular GNOME user, it's hard to judge a KDE desktop objectively. I'm not sure how much of the issues were SUSE and how much were KDE, but as SUSE are the major sponsor of KDE development I assume the two are interconnected somehow. The desktop is very reminiscent of Knoppix or Mandrake, but after an excellent looking setup routine, the default desktop was disappointing. The main fonts were too small and the OpenOffice fonts were too big. Changing the KDE fonts was simple; setting font size to 90% in OpenOffice made them look almost identical (more so than they do on Fedora), but it's not something that a normal user will be able to do. It's possibly not even something they'd notice. Desktop icons give you a nice tooltip, but they need to be single clicked, which isn't immediately clear. I had two of everything popping up straight away. For a personal edition desktop, it offers litlte more than three games - Enigma, Freeciv and Frozen Bubble. KDE on other distros ships with dozens of little games - I found it odd that they were all missing. Surely something like the LIRC client could be cleared to make way for Soko Ban. The SUSE help, built on the KDE help center, has a great manual built in, but it seems a little out of date, and it isn't customized for the personal edition. The desktop sharing stuff in KDE looked promising, if not a direct copy of the Remote Assistance feature in Windows. I'm glad to see the mail/contacts/calendar apps compiled into one application but it's hidden in the Office menu below "Document Viewer" and above "Office Suite", yet named "Kontact" and not "Groupware Client" or "Email/Contacts". Overall however the menu structure was far more contained than Fedora's mess, and more manageable than Knoppix by virtue of having less packages installed. As a personal edition I didn't check too far into the console - Aristotle suggests that it's crippled without a compiler, but I was trying to use locate and it didn't even have that! Surely it could have done away with something like the LIRC server in favour of a bit more power in the CLI. Hardware support YaST has some nice ideas - it has a "Load Vendor Driver CD" option for example, which would be great if vendors shipped driver CDs, but after the initial detection of the modem, I was let down by it saying that it needed the 'ltmodem' package, which wasn't on the CD. SUSE 9.1 Personal comes with Sun's Java, Acrobat Reader and RealPlayer, so they're obviously happy with licensing software. The lack of internet connectivity meant that, without a network card in the laptop, I couldn't go any further with internet access. Otherwise, YaST seems like a very clean interface for configuring a system, and isn't just a copy of Control Panel. Being built on the 2.6 kernel, I would have expected better laptop support as well. Closing the hood seemed to make no effect, either on AC power or on the battery. The ACPI options in YaST suggested that there was no ACPI support, and APM didn't do anything. Sound "just worked" - including software mixing in all the applications I tried, including the always tricky RealPlayer. I was very glad to see Noatun dropped in favour of xmms. Conclusion I have only seen little bits of Mandrake, but from what I have seen, as a KDE distribution it rivals SUSE on every strength, and now that YaST is open source, it could well have everything that SUSE Personal has to offer. If you're looking for something to give to your Mum, and you're a KDE fan, evaluate Mandrake along with SUSE. Personally, I hope the fact that SUSE is now under the same wing as Novell's Ximian team, means that we will see some of their great advances and ability to make simple tidy ups to a broken interface, applied to the SUSE desktop. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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SUSE Personal 9.1 review
by Craig Box 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

As pointed out on the SUSE page on the wiki, the German distribution SUSE has never had much of a following in New Zealand. With the purchase of Novell and the impending push in support that Novell will give for SUSE based products, and the new availability of a one-CD 'personal' edition, I thought I'd give SUSE a try. Installation The personal edition of SUSE comes on one CD, and it seems very positive from the start. Immediately upon boot you get a nice graphical splash screen, allowing you to either continue booting from the hard drive or install Linux, in normal or failsafe mode. It will attempt to automatically detect your screen resolution for the graphical installer, or you can pick one from a list. When YaST, the SUSE installer/setup tool loads, the good impressions continue. The installer is very much like the RedHat/FedoraProject installer, with help down the left side and the main options in a larger window on the right. It makes some judgements about your computer and offers a single click install. It detected a Windows partition and offered to shrink it and install into the newly created space, which would be an excellent option for new users. On my test machine, a P3-500 laptop with 192mb of RAM, I told it I wanted to manually override this and install to the whole hard drive. There are some niggles in the installer - you specify the time zone at this point, and there wasn't one for New Zealand at all! I had to select GMT+12 from an "Etc" list, but this won't account for daylight savings. At this point I should point out that the functionality available is limited by the fact this is a one CD distribution - you don't get GNOME, but SUSE has always been strongly aligned with KDE. The installer claimed it was going to install 1.4Gb of data - decent compression for a 700mb CD - and did so in a little over 45 minutes. The slide show was reasonably standard, offering screenshots and soundbites. KDE is referred to as "the comfortable desktop" - a comment on it's well known "resemblance" to MicrosoftWindows, I'm sure. The screenshots looked like they could do with being updated. They advertised Kopete and GAIM on the same screen - while it's nice to have options, it's also nice to have a 'best of breed'. (The personal edition doesn't actually have GAIM). Also, for a Windows user going through this setup, I think I'd like to see projects with less 'kooky' names. After a reboot, YaST continued with it's first boot routine, setting up user accounts and hardware. It complained about 'root' as a root password on two counts, being too short and containing the username. It also asked me to create a user account, and I notice it had auto-login on for that user. It also auto-detected the laptop's built in modem. After about an hour total, I had booted into SUSE. Desktop Experience Linux is Linux, and as a regular GNOME user, it's hard to judge a KDE desktop objectively. I'm not sure how much of the issues were SUSE and how much were KDE, but as SUSE are the major sponsor of KDE development I assume the two are interconnected somehow. The desktop is very reminiscent of Knoppix or Mandrake, but after an excellent looking setup routine, the default desktop was disappointing. The main fonts were too small and the OpenOffice fonts were too big. Changing the KDE fonts was simple; setting font size to 90% in OpenOffice made them look almost identical (more so than they do on Fedora), but it's not something that a normal user will be able to do. It's possibly not even something they'd notice. Desktop icons give you a nice tooltip, but they need to be single clicked, which isn't immediately clear. I had two of everything popping up straight away. For a personal edition desktop, it offers litlte more than three games - Enigma, Freeciv and Frozen Bubble. KDE on other distros ships with dozens of little games - I found it odd that they were all missing. Surely something like the LIRC client could be cleared to make way for Soko Ban. The SUSE help, built on the KDE help center, has a great manual built in, but it seems a little out of date, and it isn't customized for the personal edition. The desktop sharing stuff in KDE looked promising, if not a direct copy of the Remote Assistance feature in Windows. I'm glad to see the mail/contacts/calendar apps compiled into one application but it's hidden in the Office menu below "Document Viewer" and above "Office Suite", yet named "Kontact" and not "Groupware Client" or "Email/Contacts". Overall however the menu structure was far more contained than Fedora's mess, and more manageable than Knoppix by virtue of having less packages installed. As a personal edition I didn't check too far into the console - Aristotle suggests that it's crippled without a compiler, but I was trying to use locate and it didn't even have that! Surely it could have done away with something like the LIRC server in favour of a bit more power in the CLI. Hardware support YaST has some nice ideas - it has a "Load Vendor Driver CD" option for example, which would be great if vendors shipped driver CDs, but after the initial detection of the modem, I was let down by it saying that it needed the 'ltmodem' package, which wasn't on the CD. SUSE 9.1 Personal comes with Sun's Java, Acrobat Reader and RealPlayer, so they're obviously happy with licensing software. The lack of internet connectivity meant that, without a network card in the laptop, I couldn't go any further with internet access. Otherwise, YaST seems like a very clean interface for configuring a system, and isn't just a copy of Control Panel. Being built on the 2.6 kernel, I would have expected better laptop support as well. Closing the hood seemed to make no effect, either on AC power or on the battery. The ACPI options in YaST suggested that there was no ACPI support, and APM didn't do anything. Sound "just worked" - including software mixing in all the applications I tried, including the always tricky RealPlayer. I was very glad to see Noatun dropped in favour of xmms. Conclusion I have only seen little bits of Mandrake, but from what I have seen, as a KDE distribution it rivals SUSE on every strength, and now that YaST is open source, it could well have everything that SUSE Personal has to offer. If you're looking for something to give to your Mum, and you're a KDE fan, evaluate Mandrake along with SUSE. Personally, I hope the fact that SUSE is now under the same wing as Novell's Ximian team, means that we will see some of their great advances and ability to make simple tidy ups to a broken interface, applied to the SUSE desktop.

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RE: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review
by Lindsay Druett 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

But alas, on all the Cisco courses I've been on (a couple of them led by instructors with CCIE) had Windows machines and were using Hyperterm. I've also seen to many people out in the field using Hyperterm. It's *very* sad... > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2004 09:55 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review > > > Lindsay Druett wrote: > > >I guess minicom is a 'nice to have'. > > > >It certainly would have been nice for me to have when I wanted to > >connect my laptop/desktop into the console port of a Cisco device. > > > > > > > > Real Cisco engineers use cat. > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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RE: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review
by Lindsay Druett 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

I guess minicom is a 'nice to have'. It certainly would have been nice for me to have when I wanted to connect my laptop/desktop into the console port of a Cisco device. Well, can't complain too much, at least joe (Joe's own editor) was part of the package. > The idea to make it small and accessible will make it small > and accessible, so there is little room for 'nice to haves'. > The target market is definitely not the general LINUX > community, so there will be no compile tools and little > command line stuff. I think the idea is that my mother could > install it and use it well on her P1. It autodetects _most_ > commercially available hardware and is a great alternative to > a couple of hundred dollars worth of competitive products. >

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Can some *please* explain this error
by Lindsay Druett 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

What's this error message all about when I'm trying todo the following apt-get install cyrus21-admin cyrus21-common cyrus21-clients cyrus21-doc cyrus21-imapd cyrus21-pop3d libcyrus-imap-perl21 sasl2-bin I get this error message... dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)

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Modern software on old hardware
by Craig Box 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

I recently had a Celeron 500 that I wanted to install for my flatmate to use as an internet/email machine. All evidence points to the 2.6 kernel being better on old hardware than 2.4, and in general support for hardware increases as you have newer software, so I thought I'd try installing Fedora Core 2 (then test3) on the machine. I've heard good things about the XFCE desktop environment, so I installed that. The machine started out with 64mb of RAM and took an ice age to install (I think it's about the RPM database needing to be in RAM at install time). It quickly got upgraded to 192mb RAM, which isn't exactly "new modern specs" but is a machine that was better specced than many machines we had at the recent installfest. I ran a quick, responsive, usable desktop environment on a 286 at 10Mhz. Linux was basically unusable on this machine. Software took an age to load, you could hardly run two things at the same time, and it was constantly in swap. The options seemed to be "run Windows 98" (the OS the machine was originally shipped with), or get some sort of Linux distribution that was around the same age. The Fedora Legacy project provides security updates for Red Hat as far back as 7.3, but I really don't want to run old software. In the end I found a surprising third option - I installed Windows XP and turned off most of the flash visual bits and pieces, and ended up with a usable machine running modern software. Not something that I wanted to have to do! There's a long standing belief that Linux can be used to revitalise old hardware. Short of using a terminal server of some description (which wasn't an option in this case), is this true? Craig

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RE: [wlug] VOIP
by Lindsay Druett 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Argh... This sounds so sad, yet another person wants to use a Windows machine as a SIP phone... Around $ 250.00 will buy you a Cisco ATA-186 phone adaptor and give you two phone lines... Visit www.fwd.pulver.com and download their IP Phone and connect up with them, get a phone number and try some of these phone numbers... http://www.wlug.org.nz/SIPDirectory You could also try www.stanaphone.com Here's my set up http://www.lindsay.wired.net.nz/projects/sip/ > -----Original Message----- > From: jaytee(a)clear.net.nz [mailto:jaytee(a)clear.net.nz] > Sent: Monday, 30 August 2004 17:01 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: [wlug] VOIP > > > Hi All, > Can anyone give me some simple instructions for a > windows 98 user to get internet telphone service here in NZ? > Regards John > > > info/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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VOIP
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Hi All, Can anyone give me some simple instructions for a windows 98 user to get internet telphone service here in NZ? Regards John info/wlug

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Yoper
by s swami 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

I've just installed V2.0 (thinking it was 2.1). Yoper V2.0 comes with KDE 3.2.3 (V2.1 comes with KDE 3.3 and OpenOffice.org so I'll be visiting Copyleft soon). I have a small network and always use /etc/hosts rather than DHCP. I might have done something wrong (I know I didn't say "yes" to DHCP) so eth0 wasn't up. I fixed this by putting the appropriate ifconfigs in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S20network (RedHat-like rc configurations are scary!) SiS SI7012 audio works out-of-the-box. My wheel mouse was detected. (Hey, it's a big deal for me ok ;-) I'll have to set up my brother HL-1430 printer manually. And one small thing: Yoper is as responsive as W2K on this machine -- in fact, it is probably faster. Barring something major, Yoper will now be my desktop OS (just like they said it would :-) _Kudos to Andreas and his development team_ Sid.

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Filesystem Top.
by Oliver Jones 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

Heya. Anyone know of a tool that is like "top" but for showing the number of files a process has open. I know all about lsof. But I want something along the lines of: PID NAME OPENFILES 1234 httpd 20 5321 bash 5 ... Etc... Something I can sort by number of files open like you can sort top by memory or cpu usage. Anyone know of anything like this or knows how to get lsof and some grep/perl/awk filters to do something similar. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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