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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!The Official Annual [WLUG] End of Year Barbeque! In accordance with the prophecy, our end of 2004 [BBQ] is at DaHoose, 3 Liston Crescent, Hillcrest (off Helena Road, by the Gate 1 entrance to Uni/Clyde St roundabout). As the original date of the 4th was wet, we postponed it until the 10th WLUG will provide salad, soft drinks, BBQ, backyard cricket and entertainment. You will need to bring yourself, meat and alcohol should you desire any of these things. Start time of 6pm with BBQ about 7. Check out photos from last years barbeque from [John|http://www.wlug.org.nz/~jrm/wlug-bbq/], [Kyle|http://www.feet.net.nz/gallery/wlugbbq/] or [Phil|http://www.nevada.net.nz/gallery/wlug03].

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Re: wlug Digest, Vol 162, Issue 3
by Roger Oed 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Hi, Sorry about the lack of detail. It is an external model on COM port 1 (ttyS0) and I have tried a couple. The one I am using at present is a dynalink one. I have tried configuring it using the Network Configuration tool and while it appears that I have been able to activate the PPP link, I don't think it has in reality. How important is an initialisation string for the modem? Thanks Roger wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz wrote: > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Configuring Modem for Email and Internet (Roger Oed) > 2. Re: Configuring Modem for Email and Internet (zcat) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 00:20:41 +1300 > From: Roger Oed <oed.fam(a)family.net.nz> > Subject: [wlug] Configuring Modem for Email and Internet > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Message-ID: <41AEFA89.60809(a)family.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hi All, > > I am trying to configure my Redhat 8.0 box to work with a modem for > e-mail and Internet access. I have configured my e-mail account > correctly, and have configured a network connection for the modem. When > the machine starts up, during the Bios phase the machine obviously sees > the modem. However, when I try to run the e-mail it immediately returns > an error indicating that it hasn't seen the modem. Can anyone suggest > some tests I can perform to try and identify the source of the error or > any reasons why Linux does not appear to see the modem, please? > > Thanks > Roger > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:00:11 +1300 > From: zcat <zcat(a)maxnet.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] Configuring Modem for Email and Internet > To: oed.tem1(a)family.net.nz, Waikato Linux Users Group > <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <41AF744B.6030408(a)maxnet.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Roger Oed wrote: > > >>Hi All, >> >>I am trying to configure my Redhat 8.0 box to work with a modem for >>e-mail and Internet access. I have configured my e-mail account >>correctly, and have configured a network connection for the modem. >>When the machine starts up, during the Bios phase the machine >>obviously sees the modem. However, when I try to run the e-mail it >>immediately returns an error indicating that it hasn't seen the >>modem. Can anyone suggest some tests I can perform to try and >>identify the source of the error or any reasons why Linux does not >>appear to see the modem, please? > > > What sort of modem? External, internal, ISA or PCI? (If you still have > Windows installed, just boot into Windows and tell us what it's > identified as under the Device Manager) > > My first guess is that it's a software-driven modem (aka 'winmodem'; > many of these work in Linux, but almost all require extra drivers and > setting up that aren't part of the standard install. There's probably > helpful info on the wiki if you search for 'winmodem'. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of wlug Digest, Vol 162, Issue 3 > ************************************ >

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WLUG Xmas BBQ POSTPONED !
by Jamie Curtis 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Hi All, As the weather looks pretty average, the forcast is for rain developing and we don't have any cover in the back yard, we are going to postpone the BBQ. We will try again for Friday 10th. I'll post an update later in the week. Cheers, Jamie

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!The Official Annual [WLUG] End of Year Barbeque! In accordance with the prophecy, our end of 2004 [BBQ] is at DaHoose, 3 Liston Crescent, Hillcrest (off Helena Road, by the Gate 1 entrance to Uni/Clyde St roundabout). If it's wet, the backup day is Friday the 10th. WLUG will provide salad, soft drinks, BBQ, backyard cricket and entertainment. You will need to bring yourself, meat and alcohol should you desire any of these things. Start time of 3.30 - 4pm with the BBQ starting about 6.30 on Saturday 4th. Start time of 6pm with BBQ about 7 if we need to postpone until Friday 10th. Check out photos from last years barbeque from [John|http://www.wlug.org.nz/~jrm/wlug-bbq/], [Kyle|http://www.feet.net.nz/gallery/wlugbbq/] or [Phil|http://www.nevada.net.nz/gallery/wlug03].

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Configuring Modem for Email and Internet
by Roger Oed 02 Dec '04

02 Dec '04

Hi All, I am trying to configure my Redhat 8.0 box to work with a modem for e-mail and Internet access. I have configured my e-mail account correctly, and have configured a network connection for the modem. When the machine starts up, during the Bios phase the machine obviously sees the modem. However, when I try to run the e-mail it immediately returns an error indicating that it hasn't seen the modem. Can anyone suggest some tests I can perform to try and identify the source of the error or any reasons why Linux does not appear to see the modem, please? Thanks Roger

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In defence of Fedora
by Craig Box 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Hi everyone, The current distro that the WLUG Committee recommend our new users run is Fedora. Mandrake is possibly a 'simpler' distribution, but most of the people who come to help out and post to the mailing list don't run it. In fact, a lot of them don't run Fedora either, but know enough about it to be helpful. If there is enough of a groundswell of people using Mandrake who have learnt it through to expert level and are prepared to help other people, we'd be happier about recommending it. Right now, it's out there, it might suit peoples needs better, but as a club, we can't necessarily help you with it. Fedora is a good combination of useful to new user, well supported, powerful and up to date. Ubuntu is another distribution that fits that bill. Mandrake might be, but I don't know enough to make that call. With regard to yum especially, yum 2.2 in Fedora Core 3 addresses lots of the shortfauls in yum 2.0 (it now has .repo files, which are more like apt's Packages/Releases, instead of thousands of little .hdr files). Perhaps this discussion could be held at http://www.wlug.org.nz/SelectingADistribution which needs an overhaul. We could also perhaps have a list of the top 10 things that are different in each distro (ie how to get security updates, how to get MP3 playback, how to configure your network card). Giving up on the list isn't a good way to stop other people from having problems. Remember also we're more than happy to look at machines at LUG meetings. Just let us know in advance if you need an internet connection so we can arrange one. Craig

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Re: [wlug] Fedora (the one we support) revisited
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Hi All, I did make sure that I had a good repo and plenty of mirrors then "yum update" There were 54 items to d/load. at the 11th file, some three hours later (at 47k), a thing called "gzip" failed to down load so it tried mirror after mirror very slowly. Failing on each occasion. I think it was at the fourteenth unsuccessful mirror attempt that I began cutting 25mm lengths off the modem cord. The mirror sites then went by much more quickly as they were unable to connect. The success in this is that there were TONNES of mirrors to try if only I had waited a couple more days things may have been OK and I could have got on with updating yum and possibly installing mplayer. I am finding Fedora to be bad for my self esteem and I note with horror that I have forced myself into the position of the official "idiot question asker". To this end I am unsubscribing from the mailing list so as not to broadcast my ineptitude to all and sundry when doing fubars in the future. The distro that has given me the least grief is "Mandrake"> (yep. Windows user) If any one is willing to burn me a good copy of the latest issue I would be happy if they would contact me off list. Many thanks to all the list members. Regards John. > A bad checksum probably means the file corrupted while you > were downloading it. Possible reasons for this are: > > 1) a web proxy in your path (transparent or otherwise) has > an incomplete copy cached > 2) the file changed while you were downloading it > 3) yum didn't actually finish downloading the file > 4) the copy on the server is incomplete or corrupt. > > To fix this, try running 'yum update' then 'yum install > mplayer' when the update finishes. If that doesn't work, > try adding more yum mirrors to your mirror list - I > notice that your output contained comments regarding 'No > more mirrors to try' etc. > > > As to your second question - it carried on because only > one part of the download failed, the others are all > intact. > > > Thought I was doing fairly good, Wgot the public > key. >Copied freshrpms, fixed a parsing error but now got > a >checksum problem. > >I have saved the whole drama if anyone has time to help I > >would apreciatte it > >Terminal entries follow: > > > >[root(a)localhost john]# yum install mplayer > > > .. > > >http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/3/i386/freshrpms/RP > MS/mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386.rpm: >[Errno > -1] Package does not match checksum >freshrpms: [Errno > 256] No more mirrors to try. >[root(a)localhost john]# > > > > > >Also why go through the whole download if the thing fails > >the checksum* > >Regards John > > > > >

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!The Official Annual [WLUG] End of Year Barbeque! In accordance with the prophecy, our end of 2004 [BBQ] is at DaHoose, 3 Liston Crescent, Hillcrest (off Helena Road, by the Gate 1 entrance to Uni/Clyde St roundabout). If it's wet, the backup day is Friday the 10th. WLUG will provide salad, soft drinks, backyard cricket and entertainment. You will need to bring yourself, meat and alcohol should you desire any of these things. Check out photos from last years barbeque from [John|http://www.wlug.org.nz/~jrm/wlug-bbq/], [Kyle|http://www.feet.net.nz/gallery/wlugbbq/] or [Phil|http://www.nevada.net.nz/gallery/wlug03].

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

The WLUG mailing list is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group. As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in our official Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal of this policy. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do serious harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/Open Source related. List discussion: * Should not commit slander or libel against any person or organisation * Should not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * Should not indulge in ad hominem attacks * Should not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * Should not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only. * Should maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * Should be honest * Should not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * Should not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * Should accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Re: [wlug] Fedora (the one we support) revisited
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Many thanks, Will try your suggestions. Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > A bad checksum probably means the file corrupted while you > were downloading it. Possible reasons for this are: > > 1) a web proxy in your path (transparent or otherwise) has > an incomplete copy cached > 2) the file changed while you were downloading it > 3) yum didn't actually finish downloading the file > 4) the copy on the server is incomplete or corrupt. > > To fix this, try running 'yum update' then 'yum install > mplayer' when the update finishes. If that doesn't work, > try adding more yum mirrors to your mirror list - I > notice that your output contained comments regarding 'No > more mirrors to try' etc. > > > As to your second question - it carried on because only > one part of the download failed, the others are all > intact. > > > Thought I was doing fairly good, Wgot the public > key. >Copied freshrpms, fixed a parsing error but now got > a >checksum problem. > >I have saved the whole drama if anyone has time to help I > >would apreciatte it > >Terminal entries follow: > > > >[root(a)localhost john]# yum install mplayer > > > .. > > >http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/3/i386/freshrpms/RP > MS/mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386.rpm: >[Errno > -1] Package does not match checksum >freshrpms: [Errno > 256] No more mirrors to try. >[root(a)localhost john]# > > > > > >Also why go through the whole download if the thing fails > >the checksum* > >Regards John > > > > >

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Fedora (the one we support) revisited
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Hi All. Thought I was doing fairly good, Wgot the public key. Copied freshrpms, fixed a parsing error but now got a checksum problem. I have saved the whole drama if anyone has time to help I would apreciatte it Terminal entries follow: [john(a)localhost ~]$ su Password: [root(a)localhost john]# wget http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt --18:58:33-- http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt => `RPM-GPG-KEY.txt' Resolving freshrpms.net... 66.40.9.130 Connecting to freshrpms.net[66.40.9.130]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 1,631 [text/plain] 100%[====================================>] 1,631 --.--K/s 18:58:35 (15.55 MB/s) - `RPM-GPG-KEY.txt' saved [1,631/1,631] [root(a)localhost john]# rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt [root(a)localhost john]# /etc/yum.conf bash: /etc/yum.conf: Permission denied *typo!!! [root(a)localhost john]# nano -w /etc/yum.conf [root(a)localhost john]# yum install mplayer Config Error: File contains parsing errors: file:///etc/yum.conf [line 18]: 's/\n' [root(a)localhost john]# yum install mplayer Config Error: File contains parsing errors: file:///etc/yum.conf [line 18]: 's/\n' [root(a)localhost john]# nano -w /etc/yum.conf *edited /s in line 18!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [root(a)localhost john]# yum install mplayer Setting up Install Process Setting up Repo: freshrpms repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 843 B 00:00 Setting up Repo: base repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: updates-released repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 132 kB 00:38 MD Read : ################################################## 452/452 freshrpms : ################################################## 452/452 base : ################################################## 2622/2622 updates-re: ################################################## 255/255 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for mplayer to pack into transaction set. mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025 100% |=========================| 48 kB 00:06 ---> Package mplayer.i386 0:1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr set to be installed --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libfaad.so.0 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libpostproc= 1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libxvidcore.so.4 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libaa.so.1 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: mplayer-fonts for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libdvdread.so.3 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libxmms.so.1 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: liblzo.so.1 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libmp3lame.so.0 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libmad.so.0 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libpostproc.so.0 for package: mplayer --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for faad2 to pack into transaction set. faad2-2.0-2.20040923.1.fc 100% |=========================| 4.6 kB 00:00 ---> Package faad2.i386 0:2.0-2.20040923.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for libpostproc to pack into transaction set. libpostproc-1.0-0.12.2004 100% |=========================| 9.5 kB 00:01 ---> Package libpostproc.i386 0:1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for xvidcore to pack into transaction set. xvidcore-1.0.2-2.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| 4.5 kB 00:00 ---> Package xvidcore.i386 0:1.0.2-2.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for aalib to pack into transaction set. aalib-1.4.0-5.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| 6.1 kB 00:01 ---> Package aalib.i386 0:1.4.0-5.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for mplayer-fonts to pack into transaction set. mplayer-fonts-1.1-2.fr.no 100% |=========================| 14 kB 00:01 ---> Package mplayer-fonts.noarch 0:1.1-2.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for libdvdread to pack into transaction set. libdvdread-0.9.4-5.1.fc3. 100% |=========================| 4.6 kB 00:00 ---> Package libdvdread.i386 0:0.9.4-5.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for xmms to pack into transaction set. xmms-1.2.10-9.1.1.fc3.fr. 100% |=========================| 25 kB 00:03 ---> Package xmms.i386 1:1.2.10-9.1.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for lzo to pack into transaction set. lzo-1.08-3.1.fc3.fr.i386. 100% |=========================| 4.3 kB 00:00 ---> Package lzo.i386 0:1.08-3.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for lame to pack into transaction set. lame-3.96.1-2.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| 7.6 kB 00:01 ---> Package lame.i386 0:3.96.1-2.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for libmad to pack into transaction set. libmad-0.15.1b-3.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| 4.2 kB 00:00 ---> Package libmad.i386 0:0.15.1b-3.1.fc3.fr set to be installed --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libdvdcss>= 1.2.5 for package: libdvdread --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for libdvdcss to pack into transaction set. libdvdcss-1.2.8-4.1.fc3.f 100% |=========================| 4.5 kB 00:00 ---> Package libdvdcss.i386 0:1.2.8-4.1.fc3.fr set to be installed --> Running transaction check Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Install: mplayer.i386 0:1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr Performing the following to resolve dependencies: Install: aalib.i386 0:1.4.0-5.1.fc3.fr Install: faad2.i386 0:2.0-2.20040923.1.fc3.fr Install: lame.i386 0:3.96.1-2.1.fc3.fr Install: libdvdcss.i386 0:1.2.8-4.1.fc3.fr Install: libdvdread.i386 0:0.9.4-5.1.fc3.fr Install: libmad.i386 0:0.15.1b-3.1.fc3.fr Install: libpostproc.i386 0:1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr Install: lzo.i386 0:1.08-3.1.fc3.fr Install: mplayer-fonts.noarch 0:1.1-2.fr Install: xmms.i386 1:1.2.10-9.1.1.fc3.fr Install: xvidcore.i386 0:1.0.2-2.1.fc3.fr Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025 100% |=========================| 899 kB 05:39 http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/3/i386/freshrpms/RPMS/mplayer-1.0-0.1…: [Errno -1] Package does not match checksum *Why is this??????????????????????????????????????????? Trying other mirror. faad2-2.0-2.20040923.1.fc 100% |=========================| 201 kB 01:25 libpostproc-1.0-0.12.2004 100% |=========================| 43 kB 00:11 xvidcore-1.0.2-2.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| 238 kB 01:12 aalib-1.4.0-5.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| 95 kB 00:27 mplayer-fonts-1.1-2.fr.no 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 04:56 libdvdread-0.9.4-5.1.fc3. 100% |=========================| 55 kB 00:15 xmms-1.2.10-9.1.1.fc3.fr. 100% |=========================| 1.9 MB 09:38 lzo-1.08-3.1.fc3.fr.i386. 100% |=========================| 55 kB 00:15 lame-3.96.1-2.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| 488 kB 02:23 libmad-0.15.1b-3.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| 79 kB 00:23 libdvdcss-1.2.8-4.1.fc3.f 100% |=========================| 34 kB 00:09 Error Downloading Packages: mplayer - 1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386: failure: RPMS/mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386.rpm from freshrpms: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root(a)localhost john]# Also why go through the whole download if the thing fails the checksum* Regards John

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Re: [wlug] Fedora (the one we support) revisited
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Hi again, I have not managed to find an answer to this as yet, managed to get google down to six or so possibles. None of those seemed to match my problem. Another thread suggests that the install was bad but I do not think so. I will re-read the Fedora wiki in case I missed it the first few times *sigh* Regards John. <edited terminal display below> > Is this ok [y/N]: y > Downloading Packages: > mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025 100% |=========================| > 899 kB 05:39 > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/3/i386/freshrpms/RPMS/mplayer-1.0-0.1…: > [Errno -1] Package does not match checksum > <*Why is this???????????????????????????????????????????> > Trying other mirror. > faad2-2.0-2.20040923.1.fc 100% |=========================| > 201 kB 01:25 > libpostproc-1.0-0.12.2004 100% |=========================| > 43 kB 00:11 > xvidcore-1.0.2-2.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| > 238 kB 01:12 > aalib-1.4.0-5.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| > 95 kB 00:27 > mplayer-fonts-1.1-2.fr.no 100% |=========================| > 1.0 MB 04:56 > libdvdread-0.9.4-5.1.fc3. 100% |=========================| > 55 kB 00:15 > xmms-1.2.10-9.1.1.fc3.fr. 100% |=========================| > 1.9 MB 09:38 > lzo-1.08-3.1.fc3.fr.i386. 100% |=========================| > 55 kB 00:15 > lame-3.96.1-2.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| > 488 kB 02:23 > libmad-0.15.1b-3.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| > 79 kB 00:23 > libdvdcss-1.2.8-4.1.fc3.f 100% |=========================| > 34 kB 00:09 > Error Downloading Packages: > mplayer - 1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386: failure: > RPMS/mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386.rpm from > freshrpms: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > [root(a)localhost john]# > Also why go through the whole download if the thing fails the checksum* Regards John > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Buying Linux Books
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Might be correct in another couple of weeks ;-)) > > $NZ37.03 Total > > Nice conversion :p

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Buying Linux Books
by Gun Caundle 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

For what it is worth (and in this case quite a bit) I had a look at one our library books "How Linux Works" and thought that I would need to buy it and use for reference. John Mc said buying from O'Reilly's, members get a 20% discount. I checked Dymocks Auckand and they could get me one for $94.95 and would take 6-8 weeks to arrive from the US. So I ordered it from O'Reilly's website for $US30.36 (including discount) The only shipping option was DHL (courier) and it was not until I had given my credit card details and the invoice was created that I could see the shipping charge. $US31.60. Then I checked on Amazon (never a good move to check other prices after the tranaction has taken place). Below are the comparisons. Dymocks Auck $NZ94.95 + postage to me O'Reilly's $US30.36 book $US31.60 shipping (Supposedly 2 days but it hasn't arrived after 4 days) $NZ83.00 total Amazon $US25.05 Book $US11.98 Shipping (1-2 vweeks) $NZ37.03 Total

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[Fwd: NZ Linux users engage in Govt-MS bashing]
by Matthias Dallmeier 26 Nov '04

26 Nov '04

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Re: [wlug] [Fwd: NZ Linux users engage in Govt-MS bashing]
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 Nov '04

26 Nov '04

Greig, I think one of the dangers of using politician's (of any sway) is that they use infomation for political gain. Rodney is no stranger to asking painful questions in the house and this headline may even be on our frontpage news one day, after all, we posed the questions (not knowing they were to be used as ammo)*looks slightly sideways at Matthias* Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Hrm. > > I'm not sure I'm very happy with this. > > The WLUG are not about either Government *OR* Microsoft > bashing. We are about Linux and Open Source advocacy. > > This "bashing" label is not one I'd like to see applied to > the WLUG, and I'd really appreciate it if someone who subs > to the nz.* newsgroups (glares at matthias) could clear > this up. > > Regards, > > Greig McGill > President > Waikato Linux Users Group Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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www.wlug.org.nz
by Daniel Lawson 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

I noticed the HomePage for www.wlug.org.nz changed recently. What's the story? A lot of the content on HomePage was fairly useful where it was - now I have to click through to WlugIntro to find it. I know I can move it back - but I'd rather not get into a edit/revert battle on that page.

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Re: [wlug] Assistance on nzip.meta.net.nz
by async 21 Nov '04

21 Nov '04

I dont know perl, but I have done programming in the past and I have a few ideas that might help point your mind to a new train of thought. Using a basic sorting script (suitably altered to take account of the numeric data (e.g. sorted by number or ASCII code). Once the list is ordered, run the data through another loop that takes each piece of data (one subnet at a time) and compares it with the previous piece of data and if they are the same - remove one of the entries. Hope this helps. Nick

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 21 Nov '04

21 Nov '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Red Hat Enterprise Linux Monday 22 November - Tung U from Red Hat Asia Pacific will present a summary of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. He presented at the Red Hat World Tour and was extremely inspirational. Big business IS switching, and Red Hat is helping them do so. This promises to be an exciting talk whether you are involved with large enterprise operations or not. Tara Sutherland from Vodafone New Zealand may also explain how Vodafone switched their entire web services backend to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, though she is unconfirmed at this stage. 7pm, 22 November%%% University of Waikato%%% Room: LitB.G.02 Park in Gate 1, Knighton Rd * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map.pdf ---- See also OldMeetingTopics

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Assistance on nzip.meta.net.nz
by Drew Broadley 20 Nov '04

20 Nov '04

Hi all, I am in need of a single standalone perl script that will open a file with a list of all of the subnets (ordered and each subnet is on a newline) and then remove any overlapping, unneeded subnets and print the output to stdout. I am unable to figure this out for myself and have been trying for a while. My only results are of unoptimised code and isn't useful at all. Thanks in advance, Drew

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Slackware current NZ mirror
by Gavin Denby 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

does anyone know where there is an NZ mirror hosting Salckware current 10.1 ( not the old 10.0 iso's but the data) My international downloads (and uploads too) are getting a bit high this month. -- "Engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." Dr A R Dykes.

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Overlapping usage nonsense
by Jared Wigmore 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Having got a network and Internet connection sharing set up (thanks Bruce), Xtra is now charging my family for "overlapping usage" via my Linux computer. (The Internet connection is on the family computer, with Windows XP professional.) Initially, web browsing at the same time as other family members was slow; now it seems to be normal dialup speed. Any advice? I'd far rather access slowly than expensively :) ===== -- JaredWigmore -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM/CS/S d? s+++:-- a? C++++ UL++ P--- L++ E>+++ W++ N>+ o? K- w--- O? M-- V-- PS-- Y-- PGP- t+++ 5? X R* tv b++ DI D G e- h! !r z- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.wlug.org.nz/JaredWigmore http://AnswersInGenisis.org/ http://www.againsttcpa.com/ ---------------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

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Thanks all
by Greig McGill 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Last night's presentation by Rodney Hide was a great success. Those expecting right wing propaganda were pleasantly surprised, and I believe we all learned a lot about the parliamentary process, and how to further our goals of Linux/OSS advocacy with Rodney's advice. For those who did not attend, a summary of Rodney's presentation is on the wiki at http://www.wlug.org.nz/ParliamentaryQuestions. Please read and contribute. A MASSIVE thank you to Steve Reeves, and the Computer Science department for sponsoring an "extra" meeting. This one was possibly the most worthwhile meeting we've had in terms of actually furthering the goals of our organisation, so thanks for helping to make it possible. Thanks again to all those who came, and thanks in advance to all those who contribute questions. Regards, Greig McGill President Waikato Linux Users Group Inc.

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RE: [wlug] Open Source promotion
by David Nicholls 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Mind you isn't this exactly what we want? To spark and encourage debate? -----Original Message----- From: Roderick Aldridge [mailto:rod-a(a)hnpl.net] Sent: Friday, 19 November 2004 8:44 am To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] Open Source promotion To avoid those opposed to open source from countering our activities we should consider ways of making it members-only who can take part. Should we do this? and if so how can we do it without big hassles? Roderick Aldridge _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Open Source promotion
by Roderick Aldridge 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

To avoid those opposed to open source from countering our activities we should consider ways of making it members-only who can take part. Should we do this? and if so how can we do it without big hassles? Roderick Aldridge

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Red Hat Enterprise Linux Monday 22 November - Tung U from Red Hat Asia Pacific will present a summary of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. He presented at the Red Hat World Tour and was extremely inspirational. Big business IS switching, and Red Hat is helping them do so. This promises to be an exciting talk whether you are involved with large enterprise operations or not. Tara Sutherland from Vodafone New Zealand may also explain how Vodafone switched their entire web services backend to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, though she is unconfirmed at this stage. 7pm, 22 November%%% University of Waikato%%% Room: LitB.G.02 Park in Gate 1, Knighton Rd * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map.pdf ---- See also OldMeetingTopics

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Meeting tonight 8pm (+ library books)
by John R. McPherson 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

A reminder that there is a WLUG meeting tonight at 8pm, at Waikato University. Also, if any WLUG members would like to borrow anything from the library and wants it to be brought along to the meeting, send email to librarian(a)wlug.org.nz to make a request. (You can browse the available items online at http://library.wlug.org.nz/) Anyone who currently has an item that they want to return can also bring the item back to a meeting. John McPherson

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mandrake cds
by David Nicholls 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

im probably being a pain in the but here but does anyone up at the uni currently have any of the latest mandrake cds? i can provide blanks <deep hopeful, soulful look> cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant School of Science & Engineering/Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

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RE: [wlug] Linux on PPC (Macs)
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

> From: Henry Harrison [mailto:henryh(a)clear.net.nz] > > You should be in pretty good shape with a Powerbook 17". One > of the video card vendors hasn't released an binary driver > for PPC (as they have for x86) though I can't remember which > off hand. You have the same issue with 802.11g that you do > with linux, no drivers for some chip sets. You'll need to > research your hardware. The Airport Extreme cards (what the 17" PB will have) are Broadcom based and the older Airport cards are Orinoco Silver/Gold hybrids. I don't know what Linux support is like for these but they're both common chipsets. I've had quite a few Macs over the years, got a G5 and an iBook currently, but I've never tried running Linux on them so I can't be much help there. As to Fink, I don't really use it but it is quite impressive what can be done with it. I once had KDE running on a rootless X11 server on the MacOS X desktop and all the applications I tried performed flawlessly. Matt Browne

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Tomorrow night - Rodney Hide.
by Greig McGill 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Hi All, There seems to have been some confusion about the time. Mr. Hide will be talking to us at 8pm. The odd time is due to his plane arriving around 7:20pm. Drinks and biscuits will be provided after the meeting. Hope to see you all there. All are welcome - not just members. Regards, Greig McGill

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RE: [wlug] Extra Meeting - this thursday
by David Nicholls 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Anyone alerting the local media/computing media or eveen the other local user groups to this meeting? The other user groups might find it interesting (ie pc/windows, Mac etc) Cheers... david -----Original Message----- On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 16:47 +1300, Greig McGill wrote: > Hi WLUG, and other interested parties. > > In an effort to step outside our little box, and to encourage members > of > the WLUG to consider the political aspects of Open Source, I have asked > Rodney Hide to come and speak to us. > > He will be speaking this Thursday evening (the 18th) at 8pm at our > usual > meeting location - Lit.B. at the University of Waikato. A map is at: > http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb > > Mr. Hide is, as you will all be aware, the leader of the ACT party. > He > posts a regularly updated blog at http://www.rodneyhide.com, and he is > all in favour of Open Source software. > > This meeting is open to all, so please, bring a friend. It'll be the > least "geeky" meeting we are likely to have until Nandor Tanczos joins > us sometime next year (yes, really - I like to hear both sides of an > argument - how about you?) so you are welcome to bring people who may > have been scared away by the more technical meetings. Supporting Open Source software is one thing (perhaps the only one) that Rodney Hide and Nandor Tancos agree on - witness this press release from Nandor Tancos today. I don´t suppose you could get Nandor to come as well - think of the headlines in the local media ¨Open Source unites sworn enemies¨ ..... 15 November 2004 Cut costs at IT giants' expense, not students Green Tertiary Education and IT Spokesperson Nandor Tanczos is hailing Victoria University's move to open source servers and suggests that Waikato University look at following suit. Both varsities have announced today that they need to reduce costs, but while Vic is achieving this by moving its admin, finance and HR systems to servers running the open source software 'Red Hat Linux', Waikato is instead looking at reducing staff numbers by doing some jobs less often and reviewing student-staff ratios. "Congratulations to Victoria for choosing to balance their budget by reducing how much money they give to multinational corporations; Waikato should follow their example instead of compromising the quality of their students' education," said Nandor, who is a Waikato graduate and lives in Hamilton. "Waikato prides itself for being a hot bed of innovation, but this time Victoria are the ones using their imagination and lateral thinking to look at the overall picture. "Tertiary institutions nationwide should take note of Victoria's move. Open source is a cheaper option all round and the education sector making greater use of it would benefit institutions, their students and the local software industry." > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Roderick Aldridge <rod-a(a)hnpl.net> _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Linux on PPC (Macs)
by Oliver Jones 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Anyone here used Linux on PowerPC systems? Ie, Macs. I'm tossing up whether to buy a PowerBook G4 17" vs a Dell Latitude D800 15.4". The Powerbook is only ~$900 more and has a bigger screen. And considering my business partners experience with his D800 I'm worried about stability/reliability. I've been an x86 user since the dawn of time but after using my Mothers iBook for a while I've come to appreciate the simplicity, reliability and attractiveness of Apple gear. From what I read on the net Linux PPC (Yellow Dog etc) is quite good. Not that much different from RedHat and such. I've been a long time RH/Fedora user so I'm most familiar with RPM based distros. And from what I can tell Mac-on-Linux is very good at running a virtual MacOS system (for iTunes or whatever). Anyone here have any experience to share? At $5000 a pop I'm concerned about making the wisest choice... Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] Linux on PPC (Macs)
by David Nicholls 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

personally, no experience myself, however i can put you in touch with a friend who has. let me know if you want to get in touch with him. cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2004 12:48 pm To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] Linux on PPC (Macs) Anyone here used Linux on PowerPC systems? Ie, Macs. I'm tossing up whether to buy a PowerBook G4 17" vs a Dell Latitude D800 15.4". The Powerbook is only ~$900 more and has a bigger screen. And considering my business partners experience with his D800 I'm worried about stability/reliability. I've been an x86 user since the dawn of time but after using my Mothers iBook for a while I've come to appreciate the simplicity, reliability and attractiveness of Apple gear. From what I read on the net Linux PPC (Yellow Dog etc) is quite good. Not that much different from RedHat and such. I've been a long time RH/Fedora user so I'm most familiar with RPM based distros. And from what I can tell Mac-on-Linux is very good at running a virtual MacOS system (for iTunes or whatever). Anyone here have any experience to share? At $5000 a pop I'm concerned about making the wisest choice... Regards -- Oliver Jones > Director > <mailto:oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com> oliver(a)deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited > +64 (7) 377 3328 > <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com

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Solaris
by Gavin Denby 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

I see that solaris is being "set free" on Monday (US) anyone know how free, Its hard to find much on the Sun website. IS it 9 or 10 and is the source being opened yet too would be good questions to start with Any Solaris fans out there who can clarify some this beyond the cnet new feeds ?

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Committee meeting tomorrow
by Craig Box 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

Provisional agenda: 1. Minutes from previous meeting 2. Matters arising 3. Treasurer's report 4. Correspondence 5. General business ... anyone wanting anything on the agenda for this committee meeting is welcome to email me. Craig

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Re: [wlug] Extra Meeting - this thursday
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

Hi All, Sadly I am unable to attend. Regards John

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RE: [wlug] Extra Meeting - this thursday
by David Nicholls 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

Ahem... I actually have a friend who works there... I'll forward the message on and ask if they would be interested. -----Original Message----- From: Greig McGill [mailto:greig(a)hamiltron.net] Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2004 11:22 am To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] Extra Meeting - this thursday David Nicholls wrote: >Anyone alerting the local media/computing media or eveen the other >local user groups to this meeting? The other user groups might find it >interesting (ie pc/windows, Mac etc) > >Cheers... >david > > Hi Dave, Not at this stage. Jamie is letting the CS and Political Science depts. know. Other than that, I'm just hoping everyone will bring a friend! :) Lit. B is not too big, but you raise a good point about the media. Anyone got any contacts at the Waikato Times? /me delegates... Regards, Greig McGill. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [wlug] Extra Meeting - this thursday]
by Gavin Denby 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

I think I should clarify, as I think my comments may have been misconstrued. I am pleased to see Greig try to raise the profile of open source with political parties. Rodney and Nandor (sorry if i spell either wrong) have both made comments regarding open source, and therefore are logical contacts. I am not keen to see the LUG as such become political. However when you consider the millions of dollars spent on software by Government departments, and the possible effects of Spam legislation, Software patents and the like, there are real issues to discuss with those who influence policy issues. This is not being political, but rather raising issues that will affect us all in the years ahead. Also Greig very wisely suggested making Open Source an election issue. During campaigns every political party will want to promote its ideas on IT, open source, software patents, using Open V Proprietary formats, Probe, UBS V Unbundling, On-Line services ... and so on. By hosting a panel of representatives of Political parties, each explaining their views on IT issues, We get the chance to make the issue one they have to think about. Also as we can put the questions to the panel, we get to control some of the debate and show that the lug can be professional. These sorts of things well done can influence how issues are dealt with by a Government. Lindsay Druett wrote: > That's a good point actually... > > Obviously it sounds like Gavin is keen to have this, but if you're > really keen, firstly, Di Yates is actually a family friend of ours, > and I'm quite happy to ask her if she can come to speak to us. One what subject? If she were the minister of IT or Communications or something, then yes it would be relevant. Dianne is a local MP not an expert in IT issues. We are still a lug, and there needs to be a linux relevant issue before we really want to get involved. > Also, a friend of mine, Colin Ranby is standing in the Piako district > for the Destiny party (I know, I know, ....), he has up until a couple > of months ago worked for TelstraClear, and has been involved with > Technology for a number of years and is actually very down to earth > and is a really good guy, I'm also quite happy to ask him if he would > do a presentation again on what? Colin is a really nice guy, we have even worked together both in Communications and in Politics, but again he is not a spokesperson for the party on IT policy, and as far as I recall was not using linux when we last spoke. I think Greig has managed to walk a fine line here, and I think he has handled it well. This is not promoting any political party, but hopefully allows us to cover some of the dangers of poorly considered legislation with a number of people. If it goes well, perhaps in the future a door may be open to do a wider appeal meeting that can raise the image of the LUG as well as promote sensible debate on the issues that as IT professionals most of us have to deal with. The Lug should not be politicized but should be active in promoting discussion and debate about issues in the IT and Open Source industries. And I think this is a good start. For that reason I applauded Greigs efforts. Anything that make policy makers consider open source is a good thing. Other than that I have no axe to grind one way or the other. And I want to keep it that way. I have stated this just to keep the comment focused, and to clarify my earlier post. and by way of disclaimer I have been an Act candidate in the past , as well as CHP spokesman on Telecommunications and IT but my concern here is not political but rather the LUG and issues relating to open source users. I leave it to you to support your own political party.

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Extra Meeting - this thursday
by Greig McGill 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

Hi WLUG, and other interested parties. In an effort to step outside our little box, and to encourage members of the WLUG to consider the political aspects of Open Source, I have asked Rodney Hide to come and speak to us. He will be speaking this Thursday evening (the 18th) at 8pm at our usual meeting location - Lit.B. at the University of Waikato. A map is at: http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb Mr. Hide is, as you will all be aware, the leader of the ACT party. He posts a regularly updated blog at http://www.rodneyhide.com, and he is all in favour of Open Source software. This meeting is open to all, so please, bring a friend. It'll be the least "geeky" meeting we are likely to have until Nandor Tanczos joins us sometime next year (yes, really - I like to hear both sides of an argument - how about you?) so you are welcome to bring people who may have been scared away by the more technical meetings. This is a great opportunity to get Linux and Open Source software in general into the list of campaign issues for the upcoming elections, so please, come along and show Mr. Hide that Linux and OSS matters to many people. In return, you will get a very lively speaker - I've had the pleasure of hearing Mr. Hide speak before, and I can't wait for a re-run! :) Forward this to all who might be interested. Regards, Greig McGill President Waikato Linux Users Group Inc.

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Red Hat Enterprise Linux Monday 22 November - Tung U from Red Hat Asia Pacific will present a summary of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. He presented at the Red Hat World Tour and was extremely inspirational. Big business IS switching, and Red Hat is helping them do so. This promises to be an exciting talk whether you are involved with large enterprise operations or not. Tara Sutherland from Vodafone New Zealand may also explain how Vodafone switched their entire web services backend to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, though she is unconfirmed at this stage. 7pm, 22 November%%% University of Waikato%%% Room: LitB.G.02 Park in Gate 1, Knighton Rd * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map.pdf ---- See also OldMeetingTopics

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Our leader on tv
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

Hi All, Whilst watching a PC game review on TV yesterday I saw a cut shot showing an evil leader from game land speaking to his throng. It said in part. "You are living under the the benevolence of the iron fist". Seeing and hearing this prompted me to don my foil hat and await further instructions. Did not hear anything yet, are we going to be OK???????????? :-) Regards John If you want another laugh, ask me how the Gentoo install is going !!!!!!

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help requested on making an iso
by Gavin Denby 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

I am helping out a friend in the US who has drifted of to sleep (understandably) I have downloaded from him a slackware directory structure from a cd and after some fixes we wish to make it into a bootable CD iso. SO far I can do everything except figure out how to make the cd bootable. Can anyone point me to a guide (that makes sense) on using mkisofs or can I use a better tool such as k3b in some way I am missing. Everything we need from slackware should be there (isolinux and such) but I cannot figure out what is missing to make the iso boot. I even tried under windows, but that was worse as the boot images tried to load a floppy. Any help appreciated, as this is something I have never done before ( and now I know why) is there a simple guide to making a bootable slackware install cd ?

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Fwd: Re: [wlug] Gentoo install
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

Sorry Daniel did not mean to reply to you only This is another possible problem! nano -w /mnt/gentoo/etc/make.conf I have a PENTIUM3 processor so am writing, CFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -pipe -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer #-mcpu686 has been deleted by me as I thought it was causing a conflict CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" #CHOST is unchanged as per the warning! #I am assuming this to mean exactly the same for CXXFLAGS as CFLAGS MAKEOPTS="j2" <control X then enter> Does this appear to be correct?? Regards John > The section you referred to did not exist when I installed > gentoo. While it is not marked as an optional section, > I'd say it is optional - you may find compilation takes a > bit longer if you have multiple locales, but it > definitely won't kill anything. > >

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Sangoma Wanpipe Frame Relay Interface boards.
by Oliver Jones 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

I have a couple of Sangoma Wanpipe boards I want to sell. I have a quad port (dual cpu) 5142 PCI Frame Relay (serial V.35/X.21/RS232) interface board and a dual port (single cpu) 5141 PCI Frame Relay (V.35/X.21/RS232) interface board. Both are in excellent condition. They were working sweet when I last used them many moons ago and they have been in storage in their original boxes since then. The dual channel board cost about $2500 originally and the single channel about $1500. Not sure what they are worth now. I originally imported them from Canada. I would be interested in any offers. I'm offering them here because I thought A) Linux users are more likely to need/want this sort of thing, B) they work in Linux really well as Sangoma Wanpipe drivers have been in the Kernel for many years. If no one here is interested I'll stick 'em up on Trademe. Specs: http://www.sangoma.com/products/p_s5141-specs.htm http://www.sangoma.com/products/p_s5142a-specs.htm Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Gentoo install
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

Hi All. I have just noticed the the printed instructions that I have are a few lines short of a page: Installing the Gentoo base system in my book has Code 8 listing: opening /etc/make.conf code 9 listing: USE setting then goes straight to Optional: using distributed compiling Revisiting the Gentoo site has shown this info to be on the page also.. < You will probably only use one or maybe two locales on your system. Up until now after compiling glibc a full set of all available locales will be created. As of now you can activate the userlocales USE flag and specify only the locales you will need in /etc/locales.build. Code Listing 10: Activate the userlocales USE flag especially for glibc # mkdir /etc/portage # echo "sys-libs/glibc userlocales" >> /etc/portage/package.use Now specify the locales you want to be able to use: Code Listing 11: nano -w /etc/locales.build en_US/ISO-8859-1 en_US.UTF-8/UTF-8 de_DE/ISO-8859-1 de_DE(a)euro/ISO-8859-15 Optional: Using Distributed Compiling > Is this a likely reason for the install going badly for me??? Will I need en_US/ISO-8895-1 ? just one entry? Regards John

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ISP plans (was Along comes another Fedora Core release...)
by David Nicholls 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

interesting... i know someone else who wanted to go the orcon way and got sick of waiting so went back to telecom. prob is they cant get hold of orcom to cancel. they are now left wondering if somethings happened to them. anyone know? cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 11:46 am Subject: Re: [wlug] Along comes another Fedora Core release... On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 11:29, Gavin Denby wrote: I am getting my jetstream upgrade tomorrow, so not yet sorry. But then I get the new 40 GB/mth limits What ISP/Plan is that? I switched to Orcon last week. Sick of Telecom. Waiting to get switched over though. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Director > <mailto:oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com> oliver(a)deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited > +64 (7) 377 3328 > <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] ISP plans (was Along comes another Fedora Core release...)
by Lindsay Druett 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

Ironically, I was talking to Richard from Satlan last night about upgrading my aDSL connection, and he pointed to Telecom Website, and yeah, this does take quite a bit of find (quite deliberate I'd say), but you can get to here, http://www.telecom.co.nz/chm/0,5123,203160-202570,00.html , and here are the plans that you can get from other ISPs. He tells me it works, so all I have to do is sign up for the new plan I want. They do the change on your billing day. Incidentally, both Clear Communications and Telstra (when they were separate) had little ATD boxes which did digit insertion, so when you dialled say 095209414, it inserted 050 in front so that you got 050095209414. I wish I kept some of those, does anyone know where they can be sourced from, I going to have a hunt, but they could save $ 10.00 a month now :) Maybe you know Gavin. Oh well, I'm about to go in for our monthly Telecom meeting, I'll ask them - I won't mention the ATD idea. -----Original Message----- From: David Nicholls Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:56 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] ISP plans (was Along comes another Fedora Core release...) interesting... i know someone else who wanted to go the orcon way and got sick of waiting so went back to telecom. prob is they cant get hold of orcom to cancel. they are now left wondering if somethings happened to them. anyone know? cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 11:46 am Subject: Re: [wlug] Along comes another Fedora Core release... On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 11:29, Gavin Denby wrote: I am getting my jetstream upgrade tomorrow, so not yet sorry. But then I get the new 40 GB/mth limits What ISP/Plan is that? I switched to Orcon last week. Sick of Telecom. Waiting to get switched over though. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Director > <mailto:oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com> oliver(a)deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited > +64 (7) 377 3328 > <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] The Microsoft Antivirus Reward Program
by Lindsay Druett 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

> Sure, but if there's an unknown potential flaw in a window of > your house, which > causes it to break if tapped three times or somesuch, and a > thief uses this to > break in and steal all your stuff. > Regardless of the fact that the window company may or may not > be fixing the > issue in future, would you make such snide comments if the > police etc still > hunted the thief and the window making company put up some > incentive to assist > this? I don't think so. > > Not trying to defend MS here or anything like that, just that > the whole "it's > cool to bash microsoft without thinking about it, because > we're linux people > and therefore we're so much smarter/better than them" > attitude grows tiresome > at times. But at the end of the day, using the scenario here, the job of the window company is to fix this flaw and stop producing windows with this flaw, not go around and knee-cap someone because they discovered and exploited this flaw. Believe it or not, Chubb international have a safe somewhere with a wod of cash in it, and if someone successfully breaks into that safe, providing they tell Chubb how they broke into that safe, the money is theirs. I'm not trying to defend criminals, but I don't think it's Microsoft's place to knee-cap people who exploit their vulnerabilities, it's their job to proactively find and fix vulnerabilities and not make any vulnerabilities public knowledge without a solution to fix the problem.

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RE: [wlug] The Microsoft Antivirus Reward Program
by Lindsay Druett 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

> You are right in that it is Microsoft's first responsibility should be > to correct the flaws in its products and commercial behaviour > that allow > these problems to propagate. It is however in their interest to also > try and find and prosecute these individuals. A few high profile > convictions may send a "message" to virus writers that what they do > isn't so smart. > Yes, but from any level of incident response, the DIY approach is not a good approach. Personally, I see this as Microsoft taking the law into their own hands. I can fully understand the Microsoft is rather pissed at the moment. The appropriate authorities such as the FBI in America, or closer to home, the NZ Police Electronic Crimes Lab are there to hunt down, catch, arrest, and convict cyber-criminals. Tell me, what is the difference between me beating up a thief with a baseball bat and Microsoft doing what they intend to do. > The only problem we have is that the "good guys" could get > painted with > the same brush as the "bad guys". The "good guys" being > those grey and > white hats who find bugs and write proof of concept exploits and post > them to forums such as bugtraq. These guys help make the software > safer. However as a side effect they also help the morons who write > 800k VB viruses cause havoc. Which is unfortunate. But it is > ultimately the moronic VB virus coders who are the problem not the > people who find the software flaws in the first place. > It's the case of slowly educating the public, people are slow learners. If they only realised that stealing cars these days also requires a similar level of skill.

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Along comes another Fedora Core release...
by Oliver Jones 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

Along comes another Fedora Core release, so here comes the obligatory beg for a copy on CD. :) Anyone out there with bandwidth to burn who wouldn't mind burning me a copy? Thanks PS, Got my copy of Halo 2 this morning.... champing at the bit to play but gotta work... damn it. ;) Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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