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Re: [wlug] Parliamentary Questions
by Michael Honeyfield 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

> Hi all, > > After Rodney Hide spoke to us last year, he suggested that our most > effective tool for advocacy would be to formulate a list of > parliamentary questions. A good explanation of the usefulness of these > can be found here: > > http://www.act.org.nz/question.jsp > > Mr. Hide has offered to put our questions forward, but at the moment > they are a tad incoherent. Could we have some keen volunteers to edit > http://www.wlug.org.nz/ParliamentaryQuestions? > > Be brutal. Don't worry about retaining comments - they are retained in > the wiki's revision history. I'd really like to submit these in "ready > to ask" form to Mr. Hide by the end of this month. > > Please note: The WLUG has no political affiliation with ACT or any > other political party, but we know a useful tool when we see one. :) > Please don't submit these questions yourself, as we would like them to > all be submitted together from a single point of contact to maximise > their efficiency. > > Thanks, > > Greig McGill > El Presidente. Will wlug be working with NZOSS on submitting these or will wlug do it independent of them? Mike

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PalmyLUG
by John Eyres 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

Yes, we've started a Palmerston North LUG -1st meet 24th March went well with 15 people attending, site under construction viewble at lug.spinningplanet.co.nz mailing list on the way considering sending delegation of gentoo cult members to next wlug

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Waikato University Time: 7pm (note! earlier time) PerryLorier on http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv6, why it's needed, what it solves, how it differs from http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv4, and why http://www.wlug.org.nz/WLUG should be supporting its use. ---- See also OldMeetingTopics.

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Waikato University Time: 7pm (note! earlier time) PerryLorier on http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv6, why it's needed, what it solves, how it differs from http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv4, and why http://www.wlug.org.nz/WLUG should be supporting its use. ---- See also OldMeetingTopics.

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Committee meeting minutes
by Craig Box 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2005-03-23 Craig

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Patents
by Gavin Denby 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

The public comment period for proposed amendments to the Patents Act expired on March 11, “so a meeting is now the best way we have of communicating with the politicians and telling them what the issues are,” says NZOSS president Peter Harrison. Full story at: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/NL/9A6B2014750A3A95CC256FCA002B46C1 If the LUG or any person wishes to make a submission time is running out. Do our political contacts have any guidelines we can post for submissions on patents, esp with regard the NZ free trade agreements.

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Funding application
by Craig Box 21 Mar '05

21 Mar '05

>From time to time, the WLUG will apply for funding from community organisations such as Trust Waikato and the Sky City Trust. Funding applications need to be for a specific project, normally for the purchase of physical items, with a prepared budget, and not just for general expenses. If any members on the list have any suggestions of things that they would like to see the LUG apply for funding for, please contact me off list by 5pm tomorrow. Thanks, Craig

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 20 Mar '05

20 Mar '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Waikato University Time: 7pm (note! earlier time) PerryLorier on http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv6, why it's needed, what it solves, how it differs from http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv4, and why http://www.wlug.org.nz/WLUG should be supporting its use. ---- See also OldMeetingTopics.

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Mozilla Foundation.
by Oliver Jones 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Hi Folks. I decided to donate some bucks to the Mozilla Foundation and in the process bought a Firefox/Thunderbird Guide & CD and a Firefox poster. I don't need them so I thought I'd donate them to the WLUG. Perhaps the poster can be displayed somewhere prominently at Waikato Uni in an effort to encourage Firefox adoption. Where do I send them? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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UPS's for sale, work with Linux, BSD, etc.
by Oliver Jones 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

Hi Folks. As we are Linux types we tend to leave out PC's and servers on all the time. As such it is good to have UPS power protection. Historically I've always used SOLA (now Powerware) gear. I have a few used SOLA UPS's for sale. I have an older SOLA 320/700VA device for sale for $80. A newer SOLA 325/750VA for $250 and a SOLA 520/1800VA Rackmount for $970. The 520/1800VA device is only about 14 months old and in excellent condition. I also have a SOLA 325/1000VA device but I think its battery has died. I need to run some tests. The outcome of those tests will dictate price. Batteries can be easily sourced from the NZ distributor in Auckland. These are all good quality devices with online buck and boost to keep the power running smoothly into protected equipment. The 700VA & 750VA devices will keep a workstation/server running for about 30 to 45 minutes on battery depending on the equipments current draw. The Rackmount unit will keep a few power hungry servers running for about the same time. Less power hungry devices will probably last about 1.5 hours on it. All of the UPS devices can be monitored via their included serial cables and they come with monitoring software for a variety of OSs including Linux and BSD. Though the included Unix software isn't as good as NUT (www.networkupstools.org) I actually managed to get SOLA to provide protocol documentation of the UPSs to the NUT project which was nice. The 520 also has an SNMP expansion card bay. No need to replace power cords either like you do with some APC gear. All the UPS's have four standard AU/NZ power plugs on the back. If anyone needs a good Linux/BSD compatible UPS let me know. Note that all prices include GST but exclude shipping. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # Reply To Munging on the mailing list # General business

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Erics Ultimate Solitare
by Oliver Jones 10 Mar '05

10 Mar '05

I have a copy of Eric's Ultimate Solitaire to give away. Lucky person gets to pay the postage... ;) Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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WLUG server down because of tunnel fire?
by Ian McDonald 09 Mar '05

09 Mar '05

I am guessing that this is the reason it is not up still? Can anybody confirm.

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Effective advocacy.
by Greig McGill 08 Mar '05

08 Mar '05

Hi WLUGers. I realise, as displayed at the last LUG meeting, that most of you read slashdot. :) Even so, I'd like to ensure that all of you have read the O'Reilly article on effective advocacy. Advocacy is something that is very important to me, and our WLUG Charter also lists it as one of the core goals of our group. http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/03/03/advocacy.html I think we have been doing well lately to be taken reasonably seriously as a LUG, and I'd like to continue this trend. One thing which I perceive to be damaging to our credibility is people at meetings asking "questions" which are little more than excuses to rant about how Microsoft ate their baby/killed their cat/defiled their church/whatever. I don't like Microsoft. I've never liked them, even before they adopted their extremely aggressive and monopolistic business practices. That said, calling them evil, and frothing at the mouth to people who can't do anything about it, does absolutely nothing to help the situation. It only serves to weaken the perception of the WLUG as a credible entity. Jokes are fine. I like jokes. Just remember that nobody likes to listen to a zealot (think of the mad bible bashers in Garden Place...), and "being that guy" will never get you taken seriously. This is as close to official as I like to get, so please take it on board. Your funloving, but slightly frustrated President, Greig McGill.

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Presenting at this meeting is Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) a member of the Ximian] desktop http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux group at http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell, responsible for http://www.wlug.org.nz/Mozilla/http://www.wlug.org.nz/Firefox ([MozillaFirefox) browser development and the integration of Firefox into Novell's Linux desktop product. The meeting will start at 7:30pm in the LITB (http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB) room B.G.02 at WaikatoUniversity. Robert did his undergraduate study at the University of Auckland and has a PhD] from http://www.wlug.org.nz/Carnegie Mellon ([CMU) university. He has also previously worked at IBM Research. He made it known that he wanted a full time job working on Mozilla that he could do from New Zealand, and Novell hired him for their desktop team to work fulltime in Auckland on Mozilla improvements, including multi-column layout for web pages and improved SVG (scalable vector graphics) support. * Robert's blog (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) * An article on Ben Goodger and Robert O'Callahan from the NZ Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=11&ObjectID=10010075) Thanks to Douglas Harvey of the Systems & Technology Group at IBM] New Zealand and Chris Penney of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell for arranging this meeting. Beer and pizza will be provided compliments of [Value Added Distributors (http://www.vad.co.nz/) the principal distributor for IBM iSeries and pSeries equipment in New Zealand.

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RE: [wlug] WLUG Meeting was last night
by David Nicholls 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

Its not just that, it's users having to wade through copious quantities of emails. I get enough without getting duplicates! All I can say is thank god for filtering. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2005 11:53 am Subject: Re: [wlug] WLUG Meeting was last night Just to follow this point up, this point seems like it might have a bigger impact if we still lived in the days where you were changed $30/MB for email. Data is basically flatrate, so sending lots of emails doesn't matter any more. However, spam and virus scanning isn't cheap. I've seen threads on mailing lists CC'd to 6 lists members and the list itself. That's another 6 passes through spam and virus scanning processes. Unless spamassassin etc are smart enough to do duplicate suppression themselves - anyone have any idea if that's the case? _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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ubuntu cds
by David Nicholls 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

hi guys, my official ubuntu cds finally arrived the other day (i have a number of x86 32bit and about 5 64bit vers). if anyone wants a set, just drop me a line to organise pickup. ih and for those mac fans i also have 1 ppc version... i would like to keep this one though, so i am quite happy to copy it. finally, the x86 32 bit packages come with both a live cd & an install cd. the 64 bit version only comes with a single install cd. cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant School of Science & Engineering/Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

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Hypervisor and IBM's open source
by Ian McDonald 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

Found the article mentioned last night - was as CNet not Slashdot... It's not the full Hypervisor - parts of it IBM throws weight behind multi-OS push By Stephen Shankland http://news.com.com/IBM+throws+weight+behind+multi-OS+push/2100-1016_3-5588… Story last modified Thu Feb 24 04:00:00 PST 2005 IBM has quietly added a new option to the suddenly vogue market for "hypervisor" software that lets a computer run multiple operating systems simultaneously, CNET News.com has learned. But Big Blue's efforts aren't likely to squash a potential rival just flexing its muscles. IBM has released source code for its Research Hypervisor, or rHype, on its Web site, letting anyone examine the approach of a company renowned for its expertise in the field. One distinguishing feature: rHype works with multiple processor varieties, including IBM's Power family, widely used x86 chips such as Intel's Xeon, and the new Cell microprocessor codeveloped by IBM, Sony and Toshiba. News.context What's new: Big Blue quietly enters the noisy market for "hypervisor" software, which lets a computer run multiple operating systems simultaneously. Bottom line: Considering its open-source nature and IBM's actions so far, rHype is more likely to be a help than a hindrance to a competing project called Xen. More stories on hypervisor The project potentially competes with two commercial products--Microsoft's Virtual Server and EMC's VMware--and with the open-source Xen software that has attracted support from numerous computing heavyweights. But given rHype's open-source nature and IBM's actions so far, rHype is more likely to be a help than a hindrance to Xen. Specifically, it could help Xen move from its current base of x86 chips to IBM's Power. "We've spent quite some time talking to its authors," Xen founder Ian Pratt said. "Now that the rHype code is open source, it's a great starting point for a port of Xen to Power." The rHype software may be incorporated directly into Xen because both packages are governed by the General Public License (GPL), Pratt said. And IBM isn't shying away: Its programmers have been contributing to the Xen project. It makes sense for IBM to help Xen, said Charles King, principal analyst of Pund-IT Research. "It sounds like a natural point of intersection, given IBM's natural interest in open source and in virtualization," King said. IBM is the 800-pound gorilla when it comes to hypervisor software, which it has supported for decades on its mainframes and has brought to its Power-based Unix servers. But for x86 servers, IBM chose a partnership with VMware rather than bring its own technology to market. IBM declined to comment on most details of rHype. However, Tom Bradicich, chief technology officer for IBM's Intel-based xSeries server line, said Tuesday that it's not likely IBM will turn rHype into a product. "It's in the realm of the possible, but we don't foresee it at this time," Bradicich said. IBM has used rHype to aid three internal projects. One is sHype, the Secure Hypervisor project to build barriers between different virtual machines. Another is validating features of the Cell processor, which has nine separate processing cores. And a third is an IBM supercomputing project called PERCS (Productive, Easy-to-use, Reliable Computing System). Hypervisor hype A hypervisor--a term IBM is trying to trademark--is basic software that runs atop the processor, allocating resources such as processing power, memory and network links. By creating virtual connections to these resources--"virtualizing" them--the hypervisor provides a flexible foundation that can let a computer run multiple operating systems and thus multiple tasks more efficiently. Juggling numerous tasks has long been a useful ability for corporate computing centers. Now such abilities are increasingly useful at home as computer networks get more complex and useful, King said. "It's fascinating to me that something that's been seen as a benefit for enterprise data centers is percolating its way down into the set-top box," King said. The rHype software virtualizes only some resources, which makes it fall into the same "paravirtualization" category as the Xen hypervisor project. IBM developed security software called sHype on the rHype software, but in January it pledged to create a version that will work with Xen. Among features IBM touts with rHype: • A design that can handle sophisticated memory tasks and that works well with high-speed cache memory. • Support for IBM's open-source K42 operating system for multiprocessor servers. • The ability to run on several processor simulators, including the "Mambo" simulator of IBM's PowerPC 970 family of processors, the general-purpose QEMU simulator and the BOCHS x86 simulator. rHype also has run on VMware. • Interfaces to use the software on servers with multiple processors and with multithreaded processors--those that can execute multiple simultaneous instruction sequences. Divide and conquer Xen and rHype contrast with virtual machine software such as VMware and Virtual Server, which employ full virtualization. That means an operating system doesn't need to be modified, as generally is the case with paravirtualization today, but runs more slowly. There are other ways of dividing a system so it can run multiple operating systems. Some higher-end IBM Intel servers have hardware-based partitions. And Linux-Vserver, SW-soft's Virtuozzo and Solaris containers divides a single instance of an operating system so it appears that separate users have their own copies. In addition to the rHype project, IBM has a commercial hypervisor running on machines that use its Power processors. Because rHype uses the same interfaces as the commercial hypervisor, Linux doesn't have to be modified to run on an rHype-Power foundation. With rHype on x86 chips, Linux must be modified to work. IBM isn't the only company interested in helping Xen grow beyond x86 servers. Hewlett-Packard programmers have been working on Xen for computers using Intel's Itanium 2 processor. Although IBM is sharing the source code underlying the rHype project, it currently isn't accepting modifications from outsiders.

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IBM opensources more apps
by Ian McDonald 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

As I mentioned last night at meeting... Can't find reference to Hypervisor here but will post if I find it.... IBM Helps Drive Open Source Development; New Resources Help Developers Build Skills around New Software Technologies Business Editors/Technology Writers SOMERS, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 25, 2005--IBM today contributed more than 30 open source projects to SourceForge.net and launched new online skills-building programs to spur innovation, collaboration and development around emerging open source projects. Additionally, IBM today announced it is extending support for developers building Web applications using PHP, a popular open source Web development language. Through a new business partnership and new skill-building resources, IBM will help developers use PHP as part of their Web services and services oriented architectures (SOA). More than 30 IBM software projects will by hosted by SourceForge.net to give developers broader access to open source technologies. SourceForge.net, part of the OSTG Network, is the world's largest collaborative development site, with more than one million registered users and 96,000 projects. As a result, more developers can collaborate and build upon technologies spanning Java, Linux and wireless, fueling more innovation to drive next-generation software applications. The projects include IBM's Jikes(TM) software, a fast Java(TM) compiler that helps developers speed their development time, and the Life Science Identifier, which helps developers in healthcare build life sciences applications by automatically scanning networks for biologically significant data. With today's announcement IBM is also expanding its developerWorks Web site, launching new skills-building resources to help developers more rapidly build solutions based on emerging open source technologies, such as PHP. IBM developerWorks (ibm.com/developerWorks) is IBM's growing online developer community with more than 4.5 million registered users. The site offers tools and education to help developers build and deploy applications across heterogeneous systems. In conjunction with the partnership announced today between IBM and Zend Technologies, IBM launched a new section on IBM developerWorks devoted to PHP. The new PHP section features technical articles, tutorials and forums to drive further skills and development of PHP, which currently accounts for more than 40 percent of the overall Web programming language market. IBM and Zend Technologies are working together to develop integrated software based on PHP using IBM's Cloudscape database. In August, IBM offered "Derby," a copy of Cloudscape to the Apache Software Foundation to spur more collaborative innovation for software application development. IBM and Zend Technologies plan to offer their integrated software to developers on IBM developerWorks in the second quarter of 2005. "The momentum of open source and its adoption by governments and businesses worldwide points to the increasingly critical role of the software developer within business," said Gina Poole, vice president of developer relations, IBM. "Organizations looking for innovative software applications to drive their business projects are looking for developers with the tools and skills of tomorrow - based on open technologies." Other resources on IBM developerWorks to help open source developers include: -- Open source special topic sections for a broad range of emerging open source projects such as Apache Derby, Eclipse, Globus, Linux and PHP, providing access to hundreds of technical articles, tutorials, forums and blogs -- Plug-ins, along with technical articles and demonstrations, to help developers streamline their Apache Derby database development leveraging the Eclipse environment, helping developers reap more value out of these growing open source projects -- The IBM Linux Software Evaluation Kit, with triple the amount of complimentary trial software available to developers looking to build, run, manage and deploy using IBM software running on Linux. For the first time, IBM Rational software development tools for Linux will be included. IBM Rational tools can help organizations more rapidly build applications on Linux. IBM has contributed more than 120 collaborative projects to the open source community, helping drive innovation with projects such as Eclipse, Derby and Globus. IBM also recently pledged 500 patents into a "patent commons" to help drive innovation and future software development. Beginning March 1, IBM will also launch a series of technical briefings to help developers migrate to and develop new applications on Linux. Part of IBM's developerWorks Live! Technical Briefings, the complimentary Linux briefings will run in Bangkok, Chicago, Kuala Lampur, Los Angeles, Manila, San Francisco, Washington DC and more. About OSTG, Inc. OSTG is the cornerstone of the Open Source movement and the leading online network for IT managers and development professionals. OSTG's technology-focused sites include Slashdot.org, SourceForge.net, ITManagersJournal.com, NewsForge.com, Linux.com and freshmeat.net. 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Newbie to the meetings
by Graham Lauder 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

Greetings All I'm Graham Lauder AKA Yorick or Yo New Zealand Marketing Contact for OpenOffice.org And I'd very much like to attend the next meeting. The Bot doesn't say where however, Would someone care to enlighten me Thanks and cheers Yo

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Presenting at this meeting is Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) a member of the Ximian] desktop http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux group at http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell, responsible for http://www.wlug.org.nz/Mozilla/http://www.wlug.org.nz/Firefox ([MozillaFirefox) browser development and the integration of Firefox into Novell's Linux desktop product. Robert did his undergraduate study at the University of Auckland and has a PhD] from http://www.wlug.org.nz/Carnegie Mellon ([CMU) university. He has also previously worked at IBM Research. He made it known that he wanted a full time job working on Mozilla that he could do from New Zealand, and Novell hired him for their desktop team to work fulltime in Auckland on Mozilla improvements, including multi-column layout for web pages and improved SVG (scalable vector graphics) support. * Robert's blog (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) * An article on Ben Goodger and Robert O'Callahan from the NZ Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=11&ObjectID=10010075) Thanks to Douglas Harvey of the Systems & Technology Group at IBM] New Zealand and Chris Penney of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell for arranging this meeting. Beer and pizza will be provided compliments of [Value Added Distributors (http://www.vad.co.nz/) the principal distributor for IBM iSeries and pSeries equipment in New Zealand.

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WLUG website appears to be down
by Ian McDonald 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

To whoever administers this: - can ping www.wlug.org.nz - http to www.wlug.org.nz, www2.wlug.org.nz, wlug.org.nz times out so suspect web server hanging or similar - coming in from Xtra DSL in case network issue

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hard Drives
by Gun Caundle 20 Feb '05

20 Feb '05

I cant install XP on a hard drive that had Linux (Centos 3) previously installed. Any suggestions would be appreciated

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 20 Feb '05

20 Feb '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Presenting at this meeting is Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) a member of the Ximian] desktop http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux group at http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell, responsible for http://www.wlug.org.nz/Mozilla/http://www.wlug.org.nz/Firefox ([MozillaFirefox) browser development and the integration of Firefox into Novell's Linux desktop product. Robert did his undergraduate study at the University of Auckland and has a PhD] from http://www.wlug.org.nz/Carnegie Mellon ([CMU) university. He has also previously worked at IBM Research. He made it known that he wanted a full time job working on Mozilla that he could do from New Zealand, and Novell hired him for their desktop team to work fulltime in Auckland on Mozilla improvements, including multi-column layout for web pages and improved SVG (scalable vector graphics) support. * Robert's blog (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) * An article on Ben Goodger and Robert O'Callahan from the NZ Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=11&ObjectID=10010075) Thanks to Douglas Harvey of the Systems & Technology Group at IBM] New Zealand and Chris Penney of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell for arranging this meeting. Beer and pizza will be provided compliments of [Value Added Distributors (http://www.vad.co.nz/) the principal distributor for IBM iSeries and pSeries equipment in New Zealand.

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free technical book...
by Nigel Nguyen 18 Feb '05

18 Feb '05

I got this piece of information from my usergroup back home. Could helpful for us ? <quote> The Feb 05 issue of Linux Format (LF) has an announcement that they will ship a box of Linux technical books (and some software) to LUGs that send information about themselves to LF - and LF will include information about the LUG in a future magazine - the offer is open to LUGs overseas. They are interested in about 200 words on the user group, and if possible include a photo of a meeting or event (kind of hard to do with a virtual group though). LF will also announce future events by the LUGs in future editions of the magazine, if they receive the information early enough. The offer for free technical documentation is good while the books last. On a personal note, I receive Linux Magazine and Linux Format each month (here in Hanoi) and each issue includes a DVD of current Linux software. If anyone is interested, I would be glad to share copies of the Linux DVDs and CDs that I have. The e-mail contact for the Linux Magazine offer is lxf.lugs(a)futurenet.co.uk LeRoy Duvall lduvall(a)nwlink.com +091 204 1920 </quote> -- Ask not what the computer can do for you Ask what you can do with your computer.

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Hula.
by Oliver Jones 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

Anyone had any experience with Hula (www.hula-project.org) It looks like it could be a "very good thing". Novell are doing some good things... They seem to be embracing the whole Open Source idea really well. They're not even coming up with their own esoteric licenses. Hula is LGPL/MPL.... Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Fedora Core 3, 2.6.10-1.766
by michael.and.colleen.mcdonald＠xtra.co.nz 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

Anyone else had problems with this update? Following last night's update to this version, GRUB no longer boots. Screen says "GRUB" and goes no further. GRUB is on my slave disk, and I normally boot via Windows loader on master. I suspect that the boot sector on the slave drive has been modified ... the windows loader runs a copy of the that sector (copied following the upgrade to Fedora Core 2). This is the first time I've had this problem after an update. Contents of boot partition ... root(a)ttyp0[hdb1]# ls -1 System.map System.map-2.6.10-1.737_FC3 System.map-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 System.map-2.6.10-1.760_FC3 System.map-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 System.map-2.6.9-1.667 System.map-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 System.map-2.6.9-1.724_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.737_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.760_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 config-2.6.9-1.667 config-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 config-2.6.9-1.724_FC3 grub initrd-2.6.10-1.737_FC3.img initrd-2.6.10-1.741_FC3.img initrd-2.6.10-1.760_FC3.img initrd-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.img initrd-2.6.9-1.667.img initrd-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.img initrd-2.6.9-1.724_FC3.img kernel.h lost+found vmlinuz vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.737_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.760_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.724_FC3 Michael

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Fwd: Fedora Core 3 Update: kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3
by Ian McDonald 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

Here is the release information for that kernel - note the bit about hanging!! It does mention it for SCSI but I note a couple of things: - Serial ATA uses SCSI code in some instances - 2.6.11 release candidate 4 has support for blacklisting some problematic Serial ATA drives - mostly Seagates... If you are running Serial ATA and your new drive is a Seagate then this may be the problem . ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:38:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Update: kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 To: fedora-announce-list(a)redhat.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2005-142 2005-02-15 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 3 Name : kernel Version : 2.6.10 Release : 1.766_FC3 Summary : The Linux kernel (the core of the Linux operating system) Description : The kernel package contains the Linux kernel (vmlinuz), the core of any Linux operating system. The kernel handles the basic functions of the operating system: memory allocation, process allocation, device input and output, etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Wed Feb 09 2005 Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> - Backport some exec-shield fixes from devel/ branch. - Scan all SCSI LUNs by default. Theoretically, some devices may hang when being probed, though there should be few enough of these that we can blacklist them instead of having to whitelist every other device on the planet. * Tue Feb 08 2005 Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> - Use both old-style and new-style for USB initialisation. * Mon Feb 07 2005 Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> [2.6.10-1.762_FC3, 2.6.10-1.13_FC2] - Update to 2.6.10-ac12 --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/ 9a199e9b5ea398be70eefdbaa7d44ad9 SRPMS/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.src.rpm a74a341f850ec8c42b7a0ff6d7da4558 x86_64/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.x86_64.rpm 1bd4b68e82e2d166f1e9ab39100bafd7 x86_64/kernel-smp-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.x86_64.rpm 5cd961d5d3530db2fe30a0e6add85152 x86_64/debug/kernel-debuginfo-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.x86_64.rpm b143299deae186212d26a48ae78d1145 x86_64/kernel-doc-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.noarch.rpm 44b7cc733539619815020eae8b61062a i386/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i586.rpm 65057eb315149d6657e42089c1af8a00 i386/kernel-smp-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i586.rpm c5100f401158541766076dfa92389fe0 i386/debug/kernel-debuginfo-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i586.rpm 6f034a6e59f1009b6a869303f7f3d4bf i386/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i686.rpm 63cc52fd4998fe49b7d989886754e5bd i386/kernel-smp-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i686.rpm 9a423b5e2afff92813947b126fe5749d i386/debug/kernel-debuginfo-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i686.rpm b143299deae186212d26a48ae78d1145 i386/kernel-doc-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.noarch.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list(a)redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list

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Great Release Day
by Craig Box 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 released today; see http://www.redhat.com/promo/rhel/apac if you're interested in going to their NZ launch on March 2 in Auckland. CentOS-4 RC1 is due later today :) Novell have also released Hula (http://www.hula-project.org/) an open source offshoot of Novell's NetMail with calendering added on. It looks like the missing Exchange killer that we've all been waiting for. Craig

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting 23-02-2005 Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # Free Software Foundation donations* # General business ~* Gun Caundle writes: ''Something I thought about when I read up on the FSF project was that because it relies on donations, perhaps WLUG should be contributing. I would be happy to pay an extra $10 on the sub for a donation. Would you suggest it at a committee meeting.''

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(no subject)
by Troy Anthony Leslie Dean 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Hi I'm trying to set up a pop server using qmail and vpopmail on my gentoo box. I've never set up a mail server before so I followed the howto on the gentoo home page. After setting up qmail I sent test emails and was able to retrieve them with mutt, I then set up vpopmail as per the instructions and then tested using kmail and got the following error - Could not read file The server said: "Can't open the message file - it's gone!". The status bar says there are 11 messages and this number increases to correspond with the number of test emails i send, but i am unable to view the messages. Anyone got any ideas what could be up?? I have emailed the writer of the how to and will post any reply I get Troy

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Degree character
by Lindsay 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

I cant get a degree character in Evolution Mail in Ubuntu. I guess Evolution is on other distro's too, so does anyone have an idea? In WinXP it was Alt+0186 or select a Font in Character Map. But I'm afraid Character Map in Ubuntu in all Fonts seems to give only A-Z 0-9. Linz

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Old PC
by Lindsay 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

Craig, Finally got around to using the old PC I picked up - and again thanks. It booted up nicely and I cleaned up the HDD, taking off all the legal programs a student had obviously used it for. Did a defrag and planned to boot up again later to partition and so on, and Ubuntu. On reboot, everything was dead. I don't know, maybe power-pack died or something. A technician friend is coming up to stay in a couple of weeks from Wellington, so we are going have a gander at it them. He is going to put Ubuntu on his Win98 machine at the same time. Cheers, Lindsay R

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Exim Conference and Tutorial
by Craig Box 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Hi everyone, Received this in the 'mail. I suspect that none of you will be able to attend (except perhaps Stuart Yeates), but owing to the generosity of Philip Hazel in his recent presentation we owe UIT a favour. :) Craig Niall Mansfield wrote: > Hi, > > We're organizing a Conference about the Exim mail server, > in conjunction with the UKUUG. The conference takes place > 25/26-Feb-2005 in Birmingham, UK. All the important Exim > people are speaking. > > It would be great if you could publicize it to your group. The full > programme is at: > http://uit.co.uk/exim-conference/index.htm#programme > > Thanks, > Niall > > tel: +44 1223 302 041 > UIT Cambridge

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Not getting mail from non-default ISP's-newbie question
by Lindsay 06 Feb '05

06 Feb '05

I am connected to my default ISP by DSL and all is ok there. I cannot however receive mail from my other ISP's via the DSL as I could through Windows. I think it is something to do with the settings in Tools, Settings, Mail Accounts, Edit, Receiving Mail, Authenitication Type (which in Windows was Password). There seems to be no place where I can enter or edit individual ISP passwords. How is that done please. Linz

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Special meeting: "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life" The WaikatoLinuxUsersGroup are pleased to announce that Philip Hazel, primary author of the [Exim] mail transfer agent and the pcre(7) library, will be presenting an open talk to its members and guests on Tuesday, 1 February. The talk is entitled "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life". Philip will present a non-technical talk on the history of the Exim and PCRE software projects, how they got started, where they are now, and where they are currently going. The meeting will start at 7:30pm, in the [LitB] building at WaikatoUniversity. All are welcome. Tea/coffee/biscuits/juice will be provided afterwards. Thanks to Philip Hazel for agreeing to take the time to present this meeting, to the [NZNOG] conference for sponsoring Philip's trip to NZ and to Jamie Curtis for organising the meeting. !About the presenter Philip Hazel grew up in South Africa. He has a PhD in applied mathematics, and has spent the last 30 years writing general-purpose software for the Computing Service at the University of Cambridge in England. Some major projects were text editors and text formatters for use on an IBM mainframe system. Since moving from the mainframe to Unix around 1990, he has become more and more involved with email. This lead to his starting to develop Exim in 1995, and the PCRE regular expression library two years later. These open source projects have both turned out to be larger and more successful that expected. Outside interests include classical music (as a choral singer and late convert to viola playing), music typsetting, working backstage in amateur theatre, and finding nice places to go walking, preferably not as flat as Cambridgeshire. Philip is married, and has three grown-up sons.

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reminder: extra meeting Tue 1st Feb - Philip Hazel
by John R. McPherson 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

Reminder - we have an extra WLUG meeting with a guest from the free software community. Details below. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Waikato Linux Users Group are pleased to announce that Philip Hazel, primary author of the Exim mail transfer agent and the PCRE library, will be presenting an open talk to its members and guests on Tuesday, 1st February. The talk is entitled "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life" [1]. Philip will present a non-technical talk on the history of the Exim and PCRE software projects, how they got started, where they are now, and where they are currently going. The meeting will start at 7:30pm, in LitB. Tea/coffee/biscuits/juice will be provided after the meeting. Thanks to Philip for agreeing to present this talk and the NZNOG conference for bringing Philip to NZ. [1] For more information on Philip and the meeting, see http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-02-01

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mandrake 10.1 offical cds
by Bo Wang 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

does someone from uni have a copy of mandrake 10.1 offical. blank cds for exchange. thanks bo

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Pipermail archives
by Craig Box 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Hi everyone, I have a pipermail list archive that has never munged email addresses before. I want to munge email addresses on it retrospectively - I believe that the mailing list archives are in mbox format. Has anyone here ever done this, and if so, would a simple regex search/replace be enough? Thanks Craig

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newbie C++ query <iostream.h>
by Jodi Anderson 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

I've been teaching myself C++ lately and have been compiling at home on a RH6.1 box which has libstdc++ 2.9.0 The tutorials I have been using say to include <iostream.h> and cin/cout for standard input/output. I'm back at work after leave and am continuing my learnings now compiling on FC3 with libstdc++ 3.4.2 which gives me warnings about using depreciated headers with iostream.h. So I do what it says and remove the .h. This kicks back errors telling me that 'cin/cout is undeclared in function xyz A bit of a google and I find a page which says to add 'std::' to the cin/cout. I do this and things compiles fine. However I can't seem to find any info as to whether I need to add this all the time using the later libraries, or whether there is something extra I need to add/include in the source files So to cut a long story short my question is: do I continue using std::cin/cout? Or is there something else I need to include? Cheers Jodi -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEE7vXkRBADqdMs07cJuvCn02bG8FSR2iOW2V8M7KB0v5vnmkVI/DPsbbCxf dE23r/6ag1kYS8R8WvnYNUkjOoTKXslmLPFnq6+7Rp3K7g6X4dKyXknGThfai9KW kfdurINrR8FVKvIieidXNrAzl2ADquQ0WPtJCI1KbRb2kL3/tW6AumRS5wCg5fmM kW6Ml3RRfKGqSBRCOfVl7P0D/iCrQjXTskuT0mU/7ZJCQlP09PO5SDoe1vUX2tiB WlbmDnm4t46V1QATybUKM/V8J5rVOsigO/Nv/+9W8VC0KhBs8BR1lVT3jFy91pXr k9MhhjDjb6nhpeM771jdpOFYt+g+Lq/Q5MXKoAIxrEoycKM3JoI/yPwixoJWZlgx CdsvBADRnk/JAPNsWrjfCxLXcpE9b6x/pINncoCK+NKf16ONfw5ArkdFhJdWeJss nOvfEcBzY2RdJOJ5mQA8XnXoeGWrreT5TTUMsvoCF5/UJ1Zuuu0L8hOw0DKg9W0m QwbA7qkDZC9lMqCLmp6YreJydJAr2cp7U0p/d1Fpwd/lhH56LLQtSm9kaSBBbmRl cnNvbiAoV29yayBLZXkpIDxqb2RpQHdhaWthdG8uYWMubno+iF4EExECAB4FAkE7 vXkCGwMGCwkIBwMCAxUCAwMWAgECHgECF4AACgkQXzBud+/fPrsh2gCg4vHHtmbV R9rO8q5c+rbkAalwFmkAoJAAApKfPVHveqHJjVxNGfMXMlCAuQENBEE7vXsQBACf gUZY022ewIUzn3Zi4tcI7H2RXBEbYArtqXtuKdsMZm4N6TygINA4R5KsXF9xe3g7 VNioVVlgbA4h7L4xgt4TOjIxeZSEFuhQKAZ/isqGV9njeCJHhsX75jT0TcacQtNJ JST5IO70Ll6f1j8ZujZlNvUMz5lUTBIKR3XZ1+XlzwADBQQAg03LfdqvmDV1I9jD w7mNJfomW2FBE6Pt0h0oCocEecl4K86fySrjxzFoZW/NEcchvkWHG4Fd/Vr4fSRe aPfABzmFnJCN0YprOvv1cJHnckkSRpvGkHNmfcOH2mC+Tf/GGyi2n6wCe6bk/030 D/qYX3zBxR3SyHJvj5kRYBSt1ayISQQYEQIACQUCQTu9ewIbDAAKCRBfMG53798+ u7AWAKDhkU/ZlKYC+XkkHpAPs7Brf5c9PACgu9GBbiQW834G0lEHzEVYib1mgIM= =tr0I -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Yeah for the HAL and D-Bus....
by Oliver Jones 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Sometimes Linux does thinks properly... With little prodding, poking or frucking about. I like it when it does. It makes for a nice change. I'm at my brothers place in Sydney and I plugged in his Epson Stylus C43UX USB printer. I was expecting to have to go into the Printer Config app and hopefully find a driver that would work and hopefully get it going. I plugged it in, and within a couple seconds a window appeared on my screen asking me to choose a driver as the PC couldn't find an exact match. It had highlighted Epson Stylus C42UX driver (the closest match). I clicked OK as there wasn't a better alternative. I went into the RedHat/Fedora printer config applet and checked the driver settings. Nothing out of the ordinary. Cups has just successfully printed a test page. I'm quite impressed. This is what we want. Project Utopia is starting to make its mark. HAL and D-Bus are going to make Linux a much more user friendly system. Both Gnome and KDE will benefit too. The wait however, is intolerable. I want it now damn it... :) Now if I could only figure out why Evolution crashes whenever I try and add words to my dictionary. Regards Oliver Jones » Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RHCT
by Gun Caundle 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

My aim is to learn how to use Linux. I am working through the RHCT course content topic list, gettting the info from the RedHat 9 Bible. However I feel like a blind man tapping around with a white stick. I am using it because it is a structured course from which I can learn how to use Linux. Is anybody a RH Certified Technician or had experience with the training course for this qualification? I need some advice/guidance on what I should be doing.

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Special WLUG meeting: Exim author Philip Hazel, next Tuesday evening
by Craig Box 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Hi everyone, The Waikato Linux Users Group are pleased to announce that Philip Hazel, primary author of the Exim mail transfer agent and the PCRE library, will be presenting an open talk to its members and guests on Tuesday, 1st February. The talk is entitled "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life" [1]. Philip will present a non-technical talk on the history of the Exim and PCRE software projects, how they got started, where they are now, and where they are currently going. If you use the Debian Linux distribution, chances are you've used Exim before! The meeting will start at 7:30pm, in the LitB[2] building at Waikato University. All are welcome, although non members are encouraged to make a gold coin donation. Tea/coffee/biscuits/juice will be provided after the meeting. Thanks to Jamie for arranging this meeting and the NZNOG conference for bringing Philip to NZ. Craig [1] For more information on Philip and the meeting, see http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-02-01 [2] For a map, see http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB

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Welcome back Hoiho & some administrivia
by Craig Box 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

Hi everyone, I'd just like to take a moment to thank everyone that helped, especially Perry and John, for their hard work in getting Hoiho rebuilt and back online in just two days. All services should now be back up, and if anything is broken please let us know. If you're having trouble logging in, it's probably because we've got passworded authentication disabled, and are only allowing SSH keys. Email sysadmin(a)wlug.org.nz if you need more information or need a key loaded on. The good news however is the wiki is back online! This means that the minutes from the last committee meeting are up at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2005-01-19. Also, we are looking at formulating questions for Government departments, as per Rodney Hide's visit last year: please check out the http://www.wlug.org.nz/ParliamentaryQuestions page again, and lend a hand at tidying it up a little if you can. We will then run them past Rodney and await further instructions. Craig

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Like early banana's
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

I printed out some info this arvo on installing Ubuntu on a system with small RAM (32-64mb). I am afraid I dont even understand what the # & $ signs are used for. I am afraid I dont have time to go to the library and explore this info, so can I have some newbie help with this? When the # and $ are used, are they typed in as part of the command or do they represent something? _____________________________________________

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Hoiho
by Perry Lorier 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

We have reason to believe that the hoiho server (www.wlug.org.nz) may have been compromised. The machine has been shutdown pending an audit and probably a reinstall (to be on the safe side). The kiddie suspected of targetting this machine is well known for using password sniffers and other attacks to leverage accounts on other machines. If you have an account on hoiho (including a mail account) then I suggest that you change your password on any related machine immediately. Hopefully the kiddie hasn't successfully compromised the machine, but we're not taking any chances. The wiki will be offline until further notice. Sorry for any inconvenience, Perry Lorier

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WLUG meeting tomorrow (Monday)
by Craig Box 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

In the absence of a server: There will be a WLUG meeting tomorrow (Monday 24 Jan, 2005), at 7:30pm in LitB, at the University of Waikato. Park at Gate 1 and walk up past the satellite dishes. The topic is "Open Source Music Notation applications". John McPherson will give a presentation about Linux/OpenSource applications for music performers and composers. This will probably cover "mature" applications for things like sequencing, composition, and notation programs, as well as other things that are more "research-y" and not in widespread use, such as page-turning for performers, and optical music recognition.

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 23 Jan '05

23 Jan '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!OpenSource Music Notation applications Monday 24 Jan, 2005%%% Time: 7:30pm%%% Location: [LitB] JohnMcPherson will give a presentation about Linux/OpenSource applications for music performers and composers. This will probably cover "mature" applications for things like sequencing, composition, and notation programs, as well as other things that are more "research-y" and not in widespread use, such as page-turning for performers, and [optical music recognition|http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jrm21/OMR/].

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 20 Jan '05

20 Jan '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!OpenSource Music Notation applications Monday 24 Jan, 2005%%% Time: 7:30pm%%% Location: To Be Advised. JohnMcPherson will give a presentation about Linux/OpenSource applications for music performers and composers. This will probably cover "mature" applications for things like sequencing, composition, and notation programs, as well as other things that are more "research-y" and not in widespread use, such as page-turning for performers, and [optical music recognition|http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jrm21/OMR/].

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Re: [wlug] FreeBSD
by GUO Zhijun 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

Hi, Simon Crosby I can bring you a copy. Hope it's not urgent. I'll at Hamilton 23 Jan. GUO Zhijun jamguo(a)sh163.net 2005-01-19 ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Crosby <simc(a)xtra.co.nz> To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: 2005-01-19 19:10:30 Subject: [wlug] FreeBSD >Hi, > >Is there anyone in the area I can get a copy of the FreeBSD 5.3 CDs >from? > >Simon Crosby > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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