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Re: wlug Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8
by Dean 10 Jul '05

10 Jul '05

I have had notorious problems with Ubuntu and external modems, It has put me off for the moment until I can find a fix. I have tried 2 different external modems and both had sub 14.4k connection speeds. I think I tried some init strings and I tried setserial, both with no noticeable effect. If you do find a solution I would be very interested in it. :) Dean > Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:20:43 +1200 > From: Ivan Potgieter <tealsky(a)bigfoot.com> > Subject: [wlug] ISO + Modem questions > To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <42CFB30B.5(a)bigfoot.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi all, <snip> > ALSO: > > I am having some trouble with my external modem... > > * The abridged version * > Good connection using Win2K, SLOW connection using Ubuntu. > > * Detailed version * > Step1: To begin, I checked to see what modem I had via MiniCom: > atz > OK > ati1 > External Controller Ver1.20, CheckSum=617A > OK > ati3 > TP560 Data/Fax/Voice 56K Modem > OK > > - So it is a (generic) 56K Modem. > > Step2: I used Win2k to perform a speed test (it's the pc nearest to the > phone line) > Connected to http://www.jestreamgames.co.nz/speed/ > Quite a respectable speed (43 K bits/sec) > > Step3: I connected the modem to Com1 on my Ubuntu box, it connected, but > the same test (on the same phone line) gave me 0.9 K bytes / sec! > > I realize that the speed test is not going to be overly accurate, but > I'm not concerned with getting an accurate speed measurement. I just > used this method to get a comparison. btw - I did the 500k test. > > Does anyone have any ideas / suggestions ? > > Thanks > Ivan > > >

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Warren Hughes is out of the office.
by Warren Hughes 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

I will be out of the office starting 08/07/2005 and will not return until 09/07/2005. Hi, thanks for your email. I am at home with a cold. I will be checking email occasionally. Cheers, Warren.

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FW: Announcing Launch of ($10m) Ubuntu Foundation
by Craig Box 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

Below is the press release sent off to the wires announcing the creation of a new foundation by Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical to help support Ubuntu and employ core Ubuntu developers over the long term and to help distinguish the commercial support and certification programs of Canonical from the truly community-based nature of much of Ubuntu's work. There are some other big announcements buried in there as well like the introduction of longer-term supported releases. :) I hope you join me in thinking this is fantastic news for the Ubuntu community on a number of different levels. Regards, Mako LAUNCH OF $10m UBUNTU FOUNDATION 08 July 2005 Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical Ltd, founders of the popular Ubuntu Linux-based operating system, have today announced the creation of The Ubuntu Foundation with an initial funding commitment of US$10m. The Ubuntu Foundation will employ core Ubuntu community members to ensure that Ubuntu (www.ubuntu.com) will remain fully supported for an extended period of time, and continue to produce new releases of the distribution. As a first step, the Foundation announces that Ubuntu version 6.04, due for release in April 2006, will be supported for three years on the desktop and five years on the server. The Foundation was established on July 1st 2005 with an initial funding commitment of US$10 million, to ensure the continuity of the Ubuntu project and create a legal vehicle that represents the community structures of the project. "It's important for us to distinguish the philanthropic and non-commercial work that is at the heart of the Ubuntu project, from the commercial support and certification programs that are the focus of Canonical Ltd." said Mark Shuttleworth, who is founder of the project and is making the initial $10m commitment to the Foundation. "The core team members employed by the Ubuntu Foundation will ensure that we can meet public commitments to keep Ubuntu entirely free of charge, as well as meeting commitments of support for extended periods. I'm very excited at the progress that has been made in bringing free software to the global marketplace, and pleased to continue my support for the project in this way." Ubuntu has quickly become a leading distribution in the free software world, taking the #1 place in DistroWatch popularity rankings over all timescales which are published. The distribution focuses on usability, security and stability on desktops and servers, and on making free software widely available for individuals and organisations who are ready to switch from proprietary platforms, such as Microsoft Windows. Ubuntu has also become the basis of many other derivative distributions, particularly those backed by govenments for widespread deployment. The government of Andalucia, Spain recently announced that its own version of Linux would be based on Ubuntu, and deployed in all educational operations. LONGER SERVER SUPPORT CYCLE One driving factor behind the creation of the Foundation was the need to ensure that an Ubuntu release can be deployed on servers, which demand much slower release and upgrade cycles. "In order to support the use of free software on database and other servers, we will be offering security support for the Ubuntu base and major server components for a full five years", said Matt Zimmerman, CTO of the Ubuntu project. As Ubuntu and free software in general become more mainstream, it has become costly for companies and large organisations to keep track of the rapid pace of development. In the desktop environment the problem is more manageable, and steady improvements in the usability of desktop office and productivity applications have been welcomed. In the datacenter, however, where Linux and free software are considered mature, deployments have a preference for fewer releases with long lifecycles. Ubuntu version 6.04, to be released in April 2006, will be aimed at meeting those requirements with a full five year commitment to provide security and other critical updates for servers. This also meets the needs of OEM distribution providers and ISVs, who have expressed strong interest in supporting free software environments but who prefer to be able to plan for releases and support them for longer periods of time. The extended service support for Ubuntu version 6.04 will remain free of charge, under the same terms as the support currently provided to every release of Ubuntu. The extended service support program will only apply to designated releases of Ubuntu. Other releases, which will still be made on the current six-month cycle, will continue to receive the current commitment of 18 months free security and critical updates support. KEEPING FREE SOFTWARE FREE A primary goal of the Ubuntu Foundation is to ensure that a high quality distribution of free and open source software is available free of charge, throughout the world. "Free software is produced by expert volunteers who make their time and work freely available - our goal is to ensure that anybody in the world can make the best use of that work, at no charge." said Benjamin Mako Hill, Ubuntu Community Relations. Both Canonical and the Ubuntu Foundation have made public commitments that Ubuntu will always be freely available, without the need for royalties or licence payments of any kind. "We include only free and unencumbered applications, ensuring that users have the ability to share and modify their software." CONTINUED SUPPORT FROM CANONICAL LTD. The establishment of the Ubuntu Foundation enhances the commercial commitment already made to the Ubuntu project by Canonical, Ltd. "Demand for the commercial services offered by Canonical to users of Ubuntu continues to grow. We welcome the very large number of companies that have announced support for Ubuntu both regionally and globally, and expect to continue to create additional partnership, certification and support programs in coming months," stated Jane Silber, head of marketing at Canonical. The extended life support program for Ubuntu version 6.04 is in line with Canonical's efforts to broaden the OEM base for Ubuntu. "The distribution has been selected by several hardware manufacturers for sale with PCs and laptops, and the availability of a long term supported release of Ubuntu that's independent of the commercial success of Canonical meets the needs of specific manufacturers in the hardware marketplace", continued Silber. The Ubuntu Community Council will act as the advisory board of the Foundation. Current members of that Council are Benjamin Mako Hill, Colin Watson, James Troup and Mark Shuttleworth (Chairman). Contact: The Ubuntu Foundation Benjamin Mako Hill +1 206-409-7191 mako(a)ubuntu.com Canonical Ltd. Jane Silber +44 20 7052 9843 jane.silber(a)canonical.com -- Benjamin Mako Hill mako(a)ubuntu.com | mako(a)canonical.com

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sarge without security updates
by Michael Honeyfield 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

I don't know if this has come up yet, I don't recall it, but if it has, sorry. Debian's security updates for sarge are broken, http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200506142140 and the mailing list, http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/06/msg00142.html just a heads up for those running sarge in production. Mike

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Monitor for LUG
by swami 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

I'd like to donate a 17" monitor to the lug for demos, etc. I can bring it to the next meting. Cheers, Sid.

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First post - Help please
by Ivan Potgieter 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

Craig wrote: > As a new replacement.. ...check out Grisbi at http://www.grisbi.org/ Thanks, I tried it and it's great! Regards, Ivan

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First post - Help please
by Ivan 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

Hello all, I attended the last WLUG meeting (my first time at a LUG) and I picked up the latest Ubuntu CDs, which I have been trying it out. Although I am not new to Linux (in the far distant past I found great enjoyment setting up Linux servers: Samba, DHCPD, Apache, DNS, etc from the CLI - using Redhat 5.2 ). I have not had time to continue and much of that knowledge has faded. :-(( I do remember that there are no short-cuts: RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, and RTFM again - Unfortunately due to demands on my time I cannot spend any great amount of quality time mulling over documentation and deciding the best application and/or strategy to take. (Ubuntu does make most tasks easy!) Recently, I have been spending a little time with Gentoo, but after trying Ubuntu's live CD I was hooked, especially since it has the Install disc as well. IMHO Ubuntu has really stepped up the standard with regards to getting the typical home user to experience Linux painlessly AND leaving them impressed and possibly even excited by the possibilities. (well, I was) <grin> Cutting to the chase: I have decided to replace the family's main PC with an Ubuntu Box. Currently it is mainly used for browsing, email, the family finance & the odd WinMine game. I have setup an old PC as a Ubuntu 'proof of concept' with great success so far, but there are a few issues: 1) I need a replacement for MS Money. GNUCash seems to be the appl for the job. Has anyone used it or any other that can be recommend? 2) Currently we access multiple (pop3) mailboxes. Since, Linux maintains strong user security, I am unsure which strategy to follow: a) Configure one user specifically for the mail. b) Share the mail between multiple users (shared single db) c) Other ??? I am also not sure which email appl to use. Evolution seems fully loaded with features, but would thunderbird be better? We also have about 3 years worth of archived mail which must be imported (from MS Outlook). 3) I would like to setup internet sharing from the Ubuntu box and I cannot find an easy (GUI) sharing option. I could probably do this 'manually', but would like to know if there is any way this can be achieved for non-techies. 4) How do I reconfigure X, to use a different video card? 5) Winmodems <sigh> is there any hope? Many people with whom I have come into contact would love to try/switch to Linux. The problem is that many have winmodems (myself included, fortunately I also have an USRobotics external that came to my rescue). Is there anything that can be done? (easily, that is) There are more questions, but I think these are enough for the moment. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Is there any way I can get my grubby mitts on 3 more Ubuntu disks? (As I mentioned before. I have been showing it around and would like to hand out the disks) Many thanks, Ivan

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Dual boot
by John Torrance 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

I have previously configured a dual boot system with Grub using XP (FAT32) and linux with no problems. However, on my main computer, I tried XP (NTFS) and Linux with disasterous results - lost my whole windows disk. I am keen to try and load Ubuntu concurrenly on a separate disk on my main XP computer but do not want to loose my bills etc. Has anyone successfully dual loaded Ubuntu on an XP machine where the XP is NTFS? Alternatively, can one convert NTFS to FAT32? Cheers John

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FW: ActiveState Releases ActivePerl, ActivePython & ActiveTcl for Sun's Solaris 10
by Craig Box 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Hello, ActiveState is pleased to announce the release of ActiveState's ActivePerl, ActivePython, and ActiveTcl language distributions for Sun's Solaris 10 Operating System (OS) for SPARC, x86 and x64 systems. The release underlines our commitment to providing developers with up-to-date scripting languages on Sun Solaris 10. Looking to update your Perl, Python, or Tcl distros on Solaris? See http://www.activestate.com/Products/new_releases.plex Please pass this information on to the members of your user group and we thank you all for your ongoing support of ActiveState and our products! Shezmeen Hudani Marketing Associate shezmeenh(a)activestate.com Tel: 604.484.6809 Web: www.ActiveState.com ActiveState, a division of Sophos

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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LDAP error on Wiki
by Ian McDonald 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

I just added member plugin to my page and it displays this on my page now: "WlugMember ldap error: binding to ldap server" I'm guessing something needs fixing here.... Ian

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Wlug Wiki License Changes
by Matt Brown 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

Hi All, Long mail sorry, please read at least the first five paragraphs, as they are the critical ones. I'm happy to receive comments on this, please try and keep onlist replies to topics that are of interest to *all* readers only. Currently the wiki states that copyright is retained by the author of the page, but provides no details on the acceptable uses of that content. This leaves the situation quite murky. Clearly it is highly desirable to have a much more definite situation regarding the licensing of wiki content. To this end the Committee has decided that going forward the wiki content will be licensed under the Creative Commons Wiki License. Details information on this can be found at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugWikiLicense in short it allows anyone to copy / modify / distribute the wiki content provided that they a) attribute its source as the WlugWiki b) provide the copied / modified / distributed content under the same license as they are using it under (ie the WlugWikiLicense). As a wiki author it means that you are agreeing that your content can be used in the ways specified by the license and you are waiving your rights to attribution in favour of the content being attributed to the Wiki. You'll still get your name displayed on the wiki in the recent changes / page history / etc :) If you're an author (have ever added or edited content to the wiki, please add the following code to your HomePage to indicate that you are happy for all your past / future content to be licensed under the WlugWikiLicense. ---- I agree to the WlugWikiLicense%%% [http://www.wlug.org.nz/theme/WLUG05/cc-wiki.gif] ---- >From the date Mon 18 July 2005 00:00 NZST onwards all authors making additions and modifications to the wiki must agree to provide their content under the WlugWikiLicense. This will be clearly described on the edit page from this date forth so that everyone understands this. ----- Critical bit ends now - thanks for your patience ------ The remainder of this email deals with our plans for the significant issue of how to relicense the existing wiki content in an appropriate and acceptable manner. In this process the committee is trying to balance the need to have a robust defendable process for relicensing the content, with the common belief that anyone who added content to the wiki (by it's very nature) was implicitly agreeing that it could be further copied / modified / distributed. While we think that there is a very strong argument for this interpretation we would still like to set a good example by obtaining permission to relicense from authors wherever possible. Obviously there will be some content (imported manpages / howtos / etc) that we may not be able to relicense, so for the forseeable future there will be certain pages in the wiki that will not be under the CreativeCommons license. Each page will clearly describe the terms that it is licensed under. It is the committees intention to work with wiki authors over time to bring more and more content under the new license, with the eventual goal of having all content in the wiki available under the same license. This may take some time :) 1) As described above the first step in the migration plan is to get every author to add to their page a statement that they agree to the WlugWikiLicense 2) A plugin will be written to analyse each page and the individual diffs that constitute the current version of this. 3) For each diff the author will be looked up to see if they have agreed to the new license 4) If all authors of significant diffs that constitute the present version of the page have agreed to the creative commons license the page will be licensed under creative commons, otherwise it will remain as is. 5) Significant diffs as mentioned above must meet two criteria 1) They were not marked as a 'Minor change' when they were made 2) They add or modify more than 10 lines of the page content and contain new material (ie. A 20 line diff that fixes capitalisation and punctuation is not significant). Hopefully this is an acceptable process that will allow us to progressively bring the entire wiki under the new license as we gain acceptance from more and more authors, and as pages naturally grow and are modified with new content under the new license. Pages containing both old content and new licensed content will default to being displayed as they currently are (ie not under the new license). Futher details are available at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugWikiLicense and I am happy to clarify any details that I've missed out of this email. Thanks for your patience, -- Matt Brown Wlug Commitee Member matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz

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NZCS meeting on Thursday. Topic - Open Source.
by Michael McDonald 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

Those of you who feel deprived by not having a WLUG meeting tonight are welcome to join with the Waikato Branch of the New Zealand Computer Society at their meeting on Thursday night, at the Okoroire Hotel – a very pleasant spot (see http://www.okohotel.co.nz/ ) Meal & 2 speakers for $35 per head. Topic is Open Source software. See http://www.nzcs.org.nz/tools/events/default.asp?SECT=waikato_bop for more details of the meeting and to register for the event. Michael McDonald PS Apologies if this appears twice .. sent it from the wrong email account first time!

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Re: [wlug] First post - Help please
by Ivan 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi, Thanks for all the help. Bnonn I tried: > $ sudo aptitude update > $ aptitude install gnucash Update worked, but install didnt. The highlight (lowloght) was: ** Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gnucash" ** Then I tried Synaptic Package Manager (as Matt suggested) - Did not work at first, but tweaked it a bit and got it going. It took forever to download - I think my modem must be in v.34 Mode or something - will have to investigate. BTW GNUCash seems to suit our needs. Thanks again for all the help. Ivan

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ubuntu PPC
by Michael Honeyfield 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

I have about 8 ubuntu PPC CDs. I was meant to get x86_64.. oh well. Since I have no use for them myself, is there anyone on this list that want them? Mike

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hoiho (wlug server) upgrade
by John R. McPherson 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi, some time this afternoon we will be upgrading the operating system on hoiho from debian woody to debian sarge. This may temporarily affect the website and access to shell and mail accounts. John

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 21 Jun '05

21 Jun '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A WLUG meeting is booked for this date. If you're seeing this message, feel free to suggest or offer to present a meeting topic - the MeetingTopics page might be a good place to start.

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Stolen laptop
by zcat 19 Jun '05

19 Jun '05

A few days ago my laptop was stolen from my van. I'm fairly sure that the people who stole it were on foot and live within a few blocks from here (around the Poutney Park area). They also stole a stack of DivX movie CDs, some tools, and varous other items. I'm expecting that they won't be able to sell it (my laptop has no keyboard) but they might be able to figure out how to swap the Linux drive for the Windows drive and play movies on it, and there's a slight chance that they will leave the Wifi card plugged in. SO if anyone's driving around this area with a laptop and netstumbler, please look out for the MAC address 00:04:e2:b5:51:0d. If it shows up make a note of the approximate location and call me 8551826 or 0212595256. -- Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored.

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On getting and setting up Ubuntu (dual booted)
by s swami 18 Jun '05

18 Jun '05

I'd like to try Gnome. (shush :-) Ubuntu seems to be the way to go given WLUG expertise and a read of the wiki. Do we have any more cd's to give away? Can I hopefully get the most recent version? How do I get hold of them? I'm on a blistering 33k[1] modem so the more stuff I can get on cd, the better. Current setup: Slackware dual booted with w2k on a single HD. Would like to replace w2k with Ubuntu. (Judith has her own box now!) Steps ----- 1. backup Slack 2. delete w2k partition with Linux fdisk 3. intall Ubuntu beside Slack I'm already familiar with lilo but if things will be smoother for dual Slackware/Ubuntu with grub (for whatever reason) I'm happy to switch. Advice, suggestions, warnings are appreciated. Does Ubuntu come with reiserfs? Thanks Sid [1] Until recently, I thought it was a 56k.

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fedora core 4 available?
by stephen pearce 17 Jun '05

17 Jun '05

Anyone downloaded fedora core 4 distro .. preferable onto dvd? If so could I negotiate a copy please? Thanks Stephen

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NZ Govt and DRM
by Daniel Lawson 16 Jun '05

16 Jun '05

Just noticed this linked from nz.comp: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050613130705170 "NZ asks questions about DRM". This is particularly relevant as DRM was raised at Monday's meeting as an issue that we would like NZ's government to be aware of.

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Re: [wlug] Problem with wireless, Can anybody help?
by Michael Honeyfield 16 Jun '05

16 Jun '05

What does dmesg tell you? Has the kernel even loaded a module for the wireless card? You will probably need ndiswrapper and the *.inf *.sys files from the windows driver to make it work. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ian McDonald <imcdnzl(a)gmail.com> Sent: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:41:48 +1200 To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [wlug] Problem with wireless, Can anybody help? On 14/06/05, linuxmdkuser <linuxmdkuser(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I bought Sony VAIO laptop K-415B and installed there Mandriva LE 2005. > Everything is ok, just cannot make connection via Wi-Fi. Seemes that > there is problem with driver or something like that, cuz it doesnot > recognize wifi. Does anybody have experience with sony vaio or how to > solve this? > I don't have experience with Sony Vaio but do have experience with wireless. When you say you cannot make connection can you give a few more details: - what wireless network card does this machine have? (You may need to look at manual to find out easily) - are you trying to use no security, WEP or WPA? (i.e. what are you trying to connect to) - does it work in Windows if you still have that on the machine? - can you give any error messages? Ian _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 14 Jun '05

14 Jun '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business

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Squid
by Bnonn 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

Hi everyone I'm looking for opinions on Squid. If anyone runs it, or has run it, can they offer their views on it, and comment on any possible pitfalls? I'm wanting to install it on Hoary to act as a caching web proxy on a firewall box. I notice that Squid doesn't appear to be in the Universe or Multiverse repos for Hoary (unless I'm using aptitude completely wrong). I have no problems compiling from source; I'm lazy and like to install from binary where possible. Does anyone know of third party repos with Squid in them? Any decent third party repos would be handy actually. Failing that, does anyone know why Squid is not included in the Hoary repos? It seems fairly popular and I would have expected to see it there. Regards Bnonn

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Invitation to WLUG members to attend NZCS presentation on Open Source
by Craig Box 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

The Waikato branch of the New Zealand Computer society have asked me to extend an invitation to WLUG members to attend a dinner and seminar on 30 June 2005, from 6pm to 10pm. The meeting is being held at the Okoroire Hotel (near Tirau), and consists of a gourmet three course dinner ($35.00 per head), and two speakers commencing at approximately 7:30pm. The speakers are Dave Nichols, a lecturer from the University of Waikato, speaking on "Usability and Open Source Software", and Graham Lauder, marketing contact for OpenOffice.org in New Zealand, speaking on "Disrupting the Market Leader". Further information, including links to registration, is available at http://www.nzcs.org.nz/tools/events/event.asp?SECT=waikato_bop&ID=714. Regards, Craig

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Fwd: Installation Guide for Fedora Core 4
by Ian McDonald 12 Jun '05

12 Jun '05

Folks, For those that are looking to install FC4 this documentation may be useful. It is reasonably simple but it is good that the community is starting to provide this level of documentation. Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> Date: 13-Jun-2005 05:59 Subject: Installation Guide for Fedora Core 4 To: fedora-announce-list(a)redhat.com The Fedora Documentation Project is very proud to announce the availability of the first Installation Guide for Fedora Core from the Fedora Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/fedora-install-guide-en/fc4/ Many thanks to the author/editor combo who took this guide from just a general outline through to a complete, truly-open source document. This guide is specifically for Fedora Core 4 and x86 hardware. Our intention is to follow-up with a version for Fedora Core 3. If you are interested in the documentation project, such as providing assistance to making the Installation Guide cover x86_64 and PPC architectures, here is where to start: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ Enjoy! -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ BodyID:40827669.2.n.logpart (stored separately) -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list(a)redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 12 Jun '05

12 Jun '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !! WLUG Meeting - 13th June 2005 Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, 7pm. NandorTanczos of the Green Party (http://www.greens.org.nz/) is scheduled to discuss his views on OpenSource software.

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 09 Jun '05

09 Jun '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !! WLUG Meeting - 13th June 2005 Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, 7pm. NandorTanczos of the Green Party (http://www.greens.org.nz/) is scheduled to discuss his views on OpenSource software.

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A warning to Mono fans?
by s swami 09 Jun '05

09 Jun '05

http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20050607122215586 Sid.

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RE: [wlug] boot problems
by Justin Hyde 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

> root (hd0,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root= /dev/hd1 ro quiet splash > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386 > savedefault > boot One would assume the /dev/hd1 should be /dev/hda1 (or hdb1 possibly) Yes, I made a typo, currently it is /dev/hda1

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RE: [wlug] boot problems
by Justin Hyde 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

Thanks for the help, got home and tried a few ideas these are my "start up" lines in grub root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root= /dev/hd1 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386 savedefault boot (I may have added/left out a space after transposing this via hardcopy) I have tried changing hd0 to hd1 in the first line, this starts the boot process, but hangs on another error (that i forgot to write down) looks like I will see you guys on Monday..... -----Original Message----- From: Matt Brown [mailto:matt(a)mattb.net.nz] Sent: Wed 2005-06-08 10:35 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] boot problems On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 10:31 +1200, zcat wrote: > OK, on digging a little further, /dev/hda1 is type 0x7 which is NTFS. > That's almost certainly not your root partition, so I'll change my advice. > > Boot a live CD and find out where your root partition really is. Mount > it rw and edit the grub or lilo config appropriately (and reinstall lilo > if that's what you use) and THEN the box should boot normally. Note that if you're using grub (which Ubuntu does by default) you don't need to mount rw to fix problems. simply push 'e' on the line that is about to be booted and you'll be able to edit it. This will allow you to try booting with different root partitions /dev/hda2, /dev/hda3 etc until you find the correct one. Once you done that and booted up ubuntu successfully then you can modify the grub config on the hard disk. Yet another reason why grub is much better than lilo :) Regards -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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LAN mail server
by Michael Honeyfield 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

I am looking for suggestions and maybe even links, on info on setting up a LAN mail server. It needs to collect ISP email and send email to an ISP. So, collect @orcon.net.nz email, store it in imap or what ever and send it back to orcon. No IP address or domain name, just ISP email. I am a complete email server nub, so any help would be great. Mike

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Re: [wlug] Sarge is out
by Michael Honeyfield 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Its not *my* client. If you have read other emails of my, I have apologised for Orcon's shit webmail Thanks :) Mike -----Original Message----- From: "A. Pagaltzis" <pagaltzis(a)gmx.de> Sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 01:19:19 +0200 To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [wlug] Sarge is out please fix your mailclient. Itâs sending tons of extraneous tags (in non-HTML mails) and it doesnât add an In-Reply-To header either (breaks threading).

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Re: [wlug] Sarge is out
by Michael Honeyfield 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

netinstall ISO :) Mike -----Original Message----- From: James Clark <jamesc(a)bofh.co.nz> Sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:20:22 +1200 To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [wlug] Sarge is out On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 10:14:55AM +1200, Craig Box wrote: > New 3.1r0a images will be available shortly to correct this flaw. In the > meantime, CD vendors should delay pressing CDs or DVDs of Debian 3.1. We > apologise for the inconvenience. > --- > > Sucks to be an early adopter. Have to download the entire thing again > today! If you use jigdo it'll build the image from what it downloads, and it only downloads changed packages (IIRC). James. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] boot problems
by Michael Honeyfield 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

ext3 is default. I would question the sanity of the person that leaves ext3 out of the kernel. Possible a corrupt partition table? Mike PS: sorry for orcons crap webmail sevice and poorly formated emails :( -----Original Message----- From: zcat <zcat(a)maxnet.co.nz> Sent: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:17:13 +1200 To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [wlug] boot problems > > Had a look on Ubuntu forums, some people have reinstalled Ubuntu after booting from a bootable CD to get around this problem. That sounds a bit extreme!! What filesystem does ubuntu use by default? Sounds to me like someone released a new kernel without compiling in the appropriate FS support. My solution would be boot from the live CD, mount your root partition, copy over the live CD kernel and initrd.img, then edit grub or lilo to boot from that kernel. After that you should be able to boot normally and go find a newer kernel that works like it should. -- Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Sarge is out
by James Clark 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 James.

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boot problems
by Justin Hyde 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Since installing the synaptic update last month I have not been able to boot to Ubuntu, (and I have been using Windows ever since) I get the following error on boot up kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition root (hd0,0) Filesystem type unknown, partition, typ 0x7 after this I can get to Grub and boot to WinXP only System is 2 HDD, 10GB has Ubuntu, 60GB has WinXP Had a look on Ubuntu forums, some people have reinstalled Ubuntu after booting from a bootable CD to get around this problem. Are there any other options? My experience level is not very high having just installed Ubuntu at the fest last month. Cheers Justin Hyde

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ActiveState on Mac OS X
by Craig Box 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Sent to me by one of our generous benefactors. -- Craig Dear Daniel, ActiveState is thrilled to announce today the release of ActivePerl, ActivePython, and ActiveTcl for the Mac OS X platform. The release of this world-renowned open source language distribution on OS X marks the beginning of ActiveState's commitment to Mac OS X developers. This brings the number of free language distributions to four platforms - with the existing Linux, Solaris and Windows free downloads. You may be interested to know that we are busily working on bringing Komodo to Mac OS X. We expect to offer a beta in August and release later this year. To keep up-to-date with our Mac OS X progress, betas and announcements, we invite you and your group to join our new mailing list: osx-announce(a)ActiveState.com You can join the OS X announce list on the ActiveState Programmer Network (ASPN): http://listserv.activestate.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-announce Looking to update your Perl, Python, or Tcl distros on Mac OS X? See www.ActiveState.com/osx Please pass this information on to the members of your user group and we thank you all for your ongoing support of ActiveState and our products! Thank You, Shezmeen Hudani Marketing Associate shezmeenh(a)activestate.com Tel: 604.484.6809 Web: www.ActiveState.com ActiveState, a division of Sophos

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WLUG Meeting this Monday
by John R. McPherson 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

WLUG Meeting - 13th June 2005 Location: LitB, 7pm. Nandor Tanczos of the Green Party is scheduled to discuss his views on Open Source software. (taken from http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-06-13)

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RE: [wlug] Introducing Software Freedom Day 2005!
by David Nicholls 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

I know a journo/writer who might be keen to help with this. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Box Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2005 12:08 pm Subject: [wlug] Introducing Software Freedom Day 2005! -----snip------ Writing: We would appreciate well-written articles about SFD or about FOSS in general that can be submitted to local media or distributed on the day. Form letters that can be sent to schools, businesses government organisation, etc. will also be useful. Material Design: We have some artwork already, but we need designs for the SFD 2005 CD labels and covers, as well as T-shirts, balloons, stickers, or even temporary tattoos! If you or your friends have some artistic inclinations feel free to pop into the SFD Forums to share your ideas and your work. Donations: SFD funds cover the costs of material and logistics support that we provide. The more funds we have available, the more material and logistical support we can provide for teams world-wide. So don't feels shy about donating :) Any surplus funds can be used for advertising in the week before the event. Donations can be made online at the SFD website.

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Introducing Software Freedom Day 2005!
by Craig Box 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Henrik Nilsen Omma writes.. Hello, Mark September 10th 2005 on your calendar! It is the second annual Software Freedom Day. We will be staging a range of events around the world to raise public awareness of Free and Open Source Software. This is a global grassroots effort, and we invite the Free and Open Source Software community around the world to join in the celebration and help spread the word! Over 70 teams joined the celebration in 2004, organising a range of events at schools, universities and public places. This year, we have every opportunity to grow and make an even greater impact on community awareness. What will happen? ----------------- You may celebrate the day locally however you would like, but we encourage you to engage in some sort of outreach activity to spread the FOSS message in your community. For example, you could organise a seminar or an installfest or simply invite people to meet up in the park for a picnic. If you want to participate, please stop by the SFD website [1] and register a team so that others in your area can find you and hook up. Our website and wiki have pictures and reports from some of the SFD2004 events, so you can get an idea of what worked well. If you participated last year, please join us again, and please share your experiences with the new teams. How does it work? ----------------- As last year, we will prepare special promotional materials for distribution by the SFD teams. In 2004 this included ISO images of a custom version of TheOpenCD and a custom version of Knoppix along with some printed materials. Due to our budget constraints we were only able to produce CD covers while the local teams did a great job of burning their own CDs and copying materials. This year we will create a single CD containing both a Live Linux image and some Windows-FOSS for this purpose. We have funding from our primary sponsor for up to 15.000 of our custom CDs shipped out to 150 teams world-wide! We In addition, other supplies (such as t-shirts and balloons) will be available, but the quantities and distribution process of these items is not yet determined (depends in part on the availability of additional funding). By June 15th we will provide a simple supply request form where established teams can request CDs and possibly other materials for SFD. Be sure to get in your application for supplies before the July 1st deadline so we can get the supplies produced and distributed in time for the event. What can I do? -------------- The best way to participate is to start forming a SFD team and start planning local celebrations. Make sure you register as an official team [1] so you can apply for sponsorship of materials. We also need help with lots of things on the global level: Writing: We would appreciate well-written articles about SFD or about FOSS in general that can be submitted to local media or distributed on the day. Form letters that can be sent to schools, businesses government organisation, etc. will also be useful. Material Design: We have some artwork already, but we need designs for the SFD 2005 CD labels and covers, as well as T-shirts, balloons, stickers, or even temporary tattoos! If you or your friends have some artistic inclinations feel free to pop into the SFD Forums to share your ideas and your work. Donations: SFD funds cover the costs of material and logistics support that we provide. The more funds we have available, the more material and logistical support we can provide for teams world-wide. So don't feels shy about donating :) Any surplus funds can be used for advertising in the week before the event. Donations can be made online at the SFD website. Getting in touch ------------------ Please stop by our forum or join #sfd on freenode IRC. We have set up a temporary mailing list here [2] where people can hook up, but we will provide more regional lists as the needs arise. Best wishes and happy Software Freedom Day 2005! - The SFD Team [1] http://softwarefreedomday.org/ [2] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/theopencd-sfd2005

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RE: [nzlug] Sarge is out
by Michael Honeyfield 06 Jun '05

06 Jun '05

w00t.. now ubuntu, linspire and libranet will be able to update their base.. oh wait.. ;) -----Original Message----- From: James Clark <jamesc(a)bofh.co.nz> Sent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:05:11 +1200 To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>, nzlug <nzlug(a)linux.net.nz> Subject: [nzlug] Sarge is out http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 James. ------------------------------------------------------------------- To remove yourself from this list, email nzlug-request(a)linux.net.nz with "unsubscribe" in the body of the message.

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Website Redesign
by Matt Brown 05 Jun '05

05 Jun '05

The more observant of you may notice that the WLUG Wiki is sporting a fancy new look. We'll probably roll this theme out across the other resources (Library / Webmail, and Planet WLUG (coming soon)) when we get some spare time. As with all new things there might be a few bugs lurking in the new theme, if you spot any please let me know. While I am semi-interested in comments on the new layout, I'm going to have a very low tolerance for comments like "the fonts look ugly" or "the fonts are too big" unless you're actually interested in making a positive contribution to improving the situation (and that generally means the email includes a diff for the .css that you think fixes the problem). Thanks to John, Perry and the others who have helped in the implementation of this new theme. Graphic design credits go to my wife Katalina. Kind Regards -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz

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Kiaora CD is 'piracy' ?!!
by zcat 05 Jun '05

05 Jun '05

I gave my wife a few spare copies of Kiaora CD to sell on Trademe (mostly just to get the name out there) and they were pulled. When I asked why, we got the following reply; Dear Susan, Thanks for contacting us. You are not allowed to list CDs containing programs that you do not hold the copyright for. These CDs contained a number of programs freely available on the internet. CDs of this nature are considered piracy and will be removed. If you have any further questions or if I can be of any further help please do not hesitate to contact me. Regards, Sophie I sent a fairly grumpy reply back citing the GPL, RMS's page on 'selling free software' and so on, but now Sue's quite upset and refuses to have anything more to do with it. What else can I do. TM seems to have some 'very confused' ideas of what constitutes piracy, and I have a hard time calmly explaining the issues when I feel like they're calling me (or Sue) a criminal and removing perfectly legitimate listings with no compensation. -- Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored.

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Gnome 2.10
by Oliver Jones 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

Hmm. After all that fricking around with Synaptic I can hardly notice the difference between Gnome 2.10 and 2.8. *sigh*. There are a few cool new applets, CPU freq monitor, trashcan, etc. And I think some of the games use SVG for graphics instead of PNG's (though I'm not sure if 2.8 didn't have that already). It doesn't seem as stable... in some areas. Though the package quality of the nrpms.net Gnome RPMS is not so great so this is probably more a problem with the RPMS than GNOME 2.10 as a whole. There are a few nice new apps. Seahorse (GPG encryption key manager), Evince (Cairo based PDF & PS viewer) considerably slower at rendering than gpdf :( but does provide nice thumbnails in Nautilus. Of course nothing beats Acrobat for rendering PDF but Acrobat takes an age to start. "Fast task switching", aka starting a new X session on another VT, is kinda neat. Remote desktop sharing would be handy in some cases. Coaster is an extremely simple CD/DVD burner which looks good/useful. GnomeBaker on the other hand looks like the startings of a K3B replacement, but with not as many features yet. Other than that, not a whole lot of difference. Of course the RedHat menus have gotten all buggered up with weird entries. Mainly from 3rd party rpms. As for some of the mono apps... well I've not played with them too much. Had a brief look at Muine, tomboy, f-spot and Beagle. Beagle will be cool. But it is quite rough around the edges at the moment. f-spot is good but 'alpha'-ish. Muine will be excellent when it supports more than mp3. Nearly all my music is in .m4a (AAC) format for my iPod. Muine uses GStreamer as a backend but GStreamer as shipped by NRPMS.net doesn't support AAC. Ah well... life on the bleeding edge... ;) Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] I must be mad, aka Gnome 2.10.
by Craig Box 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

Oliver Jones wrote: > I've currently having Synaptic download Gnome 2.10 and all the latest > Mono RPM flashness from nrpms.net. I must be mad.... mad mad mad I > tell you. I almost feel the breakages now... ;) > > My system will be so heavily patched with 3rd party RPMS it will > barely feel like FC3 anymore. ;) You realise that FC4 is 5 days away, right? (As is Sarge, for that matter!) Craig

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I must be mad, aka Gnome 2.10.
by Oliver Jones 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

I've currently having Synaptic download Gnome 2.10 and all the latest Mono RPM flashness from nrpms.net. I must be mad.... mad mad mad I tell you. I almost feel the breakages now... ;) My system will be so heavily patched with 3rd party RPMS it will barely feel like FC3 anymore. ;) Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 May '05

31 May '05

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Bug in Wanted Wikis process?
by Ian McDonald 31 May '05

31 May '05

Hi there, One thing I have noticed at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WantedWikis is that some of the entries shouldn't be there. e.g. CategoryDialUpISP which is only referenced in http://www.wlug.org.nz/CategoryIsp but there it has a ~ in front of it to say that it is not a Wiki Word. There are lots more of these to be found.... Is this a known bug or just not been fixed? Ian

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FW: Help in setting up linux
by Craig Box 30 May '05

30 May '05

RMC Donnelly [rmcdonnelly(a)linuxmail.org] writes... Hi Im looking for some help in the Waikato area and Im hoping one of your members can be of service. Please excuse me if I say all the wrong things, or call stuff by the wrong names as all of this stuff goes way over my head. The problem I have is this: my partner has just installed open office on my mums pc which is good, but we live on the Kapiti Coast and she lives in Thames. We will courier her pc up to her, but this is where the problem starts. We need someone who is familiar with it to plug it in and configure it properly (I think thats what my partner said has to be done??) Is there any one of your group who lives close to Thames or is able to help us out with this? We would be willing to pay for their time and travel. My mum will need a little help in getting started on it too - how to do the basics and how to get onto the internet - shes 78 and is used to using only Microsoft products. We got rid of the microsoft stuff as Andy (my partner) says its unstable and full of security risks. Are you able to put a call out to your members and see if anyone is able to help us. Thanks for your time and once more please excuse my stupidity and ignorance - Im not the techy one in this household (as you probably have noticed LOL) Cheers Ruth Donnelly

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