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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 25 May '08

25 May '08

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- May 26th, 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Graham Lauder will be speaking about the INGOTS (http://theingots.org.nz/index.html) (and OpenOffice.org (http://openoffice.org.nz/) if we have time)

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Microsoft plans to natively support ODF
by Ian McDonald 24 May '08

24 May '08

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080521-office-2007-to-gain-native-od… As I keep saying I think Microsoft is heading down a more open path. Sure they're not there yet but this is a good move. It wasn't that long ago that Sun was a closed source company (think Solaris, Java). -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 22 May '08

22 May '08

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- May 26th, 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Graham Lauder will be speaking about the INGOTS (http://theingots.org.nz/index.html) (and OpenOffice.org (http://openoffice.org.nz/) if we have time)

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 18 May '08

18 May '08

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- May 26th, 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Graham Lauder will be speaking about the INGOTS (http://theingots.org.nz/index.html) (and OpenOffice.org (http://openoffice.org.nz/) if we have time)

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Essay on OLPC
by Ian McDonald 16 May '08

16 May '08

Interesting (long) read: http://radian.org/notebook/sic-transit-gloria-laptopi Found at lwn.net -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] Top 5 tiny distros
by Michael McDonald 15 May '08

15 May '08

2008/5/15 Ian McDonald <ian.mcdonald(a)jandi.co.nz>: > Haven't read yet myself... > > http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/26480 Looks like there's a few interesting distros to try there ... always useful when a friend a needs a computer in a hurry and you've only got old and ancient computers around that are spare. Seems impressed with Puppy ... and I was when I tried it and had no problems connecting to the Internet with an internal fax/modem. (note ... copy to WLUG) Michael

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 11 May '08

11 May '08

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Previous Minutes # Treasurers report # Correspondence # Matters -Sign up for SFD, what quantity of supplies do we require? -Contact Canonical and get 8.04 CD order underway. (Bruce has put in an order for 100 freebies from shipit, not sure how many we'll get) - Bryce Utting nominated as 'temporary committee member' to replace Simon, as allowed for in the constitution.. no SGM required (it's a lot of hassle for a minor committee position and also Bruce forgot to announce one..) Approved by email vote, but should probably be recorded in some minutes somewhere. - Fund raising.. bank balance is distressingly low. Bruce intends to remind members to pay fees at next meeting. Is there anything else we could do to raise funds? Trust applications? # Server status # General business

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Good Ubuntu 8.04 review
by Ian McDonald 09 May '08

09 May '08

I didn't post all the other reviews but I think Ars did a great job here: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/hardy-heron-review.ars/1 They took about the good things, the bad things and how to fix some of the bad things... -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Open Office 3 beta out now
by Ian McDonald 08 May '08

08 May '08

http://www.download.com/8301-2007_4-9938521-12.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=… -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] Upgrading Kubuntu Feisty Fawn to Hardy Heron
by GJB 07 May '08

07 May '08

If you upgrade turn off the lock screen on Xscreensaver (if you use it). If the screen locks during the upgrade the system will not let you back in even with your own password, it does something screwy with PAM modules and locks everybody out whilst waiting for reply to numerous .config replace confirmation prompts. You'll probably have to re-install anyway. Wasn't there just a discussion that it screws around with sudo also ... probably same thing as with PAM module frigging around? > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [wlug] Upgrading Kubuntu Feisty Fawn to Hardy Heron > From: "David Hallett" <david(a)pulsar.net.nz> > Date: Wed, May 07, 2008 11:05 pm > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Glyn Webster <glyn(a)wave.co.nz> wrote: > > > I'm thinking of upgrading the Kubuntu on my PC from Feisty Fawn to Hardy > > Heron, is there anything special I have to consider? > > > You need to read this: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/UpgradeFromOldVersion > > -- > David Hallett, BSc, MNZCS, MNZSA > Pulsar Computer Solutions Ltd > P.O. Box 15-516 > Hamilton, New Zealand > > Mob: +64-21-802 256 > Email: david(a)pulsar.net.nz<hr>_______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Upgrading Kubuntu Feisty Fawn to Hardy Heron
by Glyn Webster 07 May '08

07 May '08

I'm thinking of upgrading the Kubuntu on my PC from Feisty Fawn to Hardy Heron, is there anything special I have to consider? -- Glyn Webster.

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Undersized DVD-ROMs?
by Glyn Webster 07 May '08

07 May '08

I've bought 10 Dick Smith DVD-R's, and they only have 1,852,960 blocks available on them, not the full 2,298,496 (3.5GiB of data, not 4.4GiB). At least that's what K3B and GnomeBaker both claim. It might be my DVD burner at fault, I haven't tried other disks yet. I can't find any explanation of what's going on here, does anyone know? This is K3B's debugging output: System ----------------------- K3b Version: 1.0 KDE Version: 3.5.6 QT Version: 3.3.7 Kernel: 2.6.20-16-generic Devices ----------------------- HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B A300 (/dev/hdd, ) [CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD+R DL] [DVD-ROM, DVD-R Sequential, DVD-RAM, DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite, DVD-RW Sequential, DVD+RW, DVD+R, DVD+R Dual Layer, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW] [SAO, TAO, RAW, SAO/R96P, SAO/R96R, RAW/R16, RAW/R96P, RAW/R96R, Restricted Overwrite] Burned media ----------------------- DVD-R Sequential K3bIsoImager ----------------------- mkisofs print size result: 2267770 (4644392960 bytes) Pipe throughput: 20480 bytes read, 0 bytes written. Used versions ----------------------- mkisofs: 1.1.2 growisofs: 7.0.1 growisofs ----------------------- Executing 'builtin_dd if=/dev/fd/0 of=/dev/hdd obs=32k seek=0' :-( /dev/hdd: 1852960 blocks are free, 2267770 to be written! growisofs command: ----------------------- /usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/hdd=/dev/fd/0 -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -use-the-force-luke=tracksize:2267770 -dvd-compat -speed=4 -use-the-force-luke=bufsize:32m mkisofs ----------------------- 2267770 I: -input-charset not specified, using utf-8 (detected in locale settings) Using HOOTING_YARD_ON_THE_AIR_000.MP3;1 for HootingYard/Hooting_Yard_On_the_Air_-_November_8th_2007_fixed.mp3 (Hooting_Yard_On_the_Air_-_November_8th_2007.mp3) [snip] Using HOOTING_YARD___OCTOBER_6000.MP3;1 for HootingYard/Hooting_Yard_-_October_6th_2007.mp3 (Hooting_Yard_-_October_6th_04.mp3) mkisofs calculate size command: ----------------------- /usr/bin/genisoimage -gui -graft-points -print-size -quiet -volid HootingYard -volset -appid K3B THE CD KREATOR (C) 1998-2006 SEBASTIAN TRUEG AND THE K3B TEAM -publisher -preparer -sysid LINUX -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort /tmp/kde-glyn/k3bfCW2Fb.tmp -rational-rock -hide-list /tmp/kde-glyn/k3bzHHBec.tmp -joliet -joliet-long -hide-joliet-list /tmp/kde-glyn/k3brwA0uc.tmp -no-cache-inodes -full-iso9660-filenames -iso-level 2 -path-list /tmp/kde-glyn/k3bveJ6fa.tmp mkisofs command: ----------------------- /usr/bin/genisoimage -gui -graft-points -volid HootingYard -volset -appid K3B THE CD KREATOR (C) 1998-2006 SEBASTIAN TRUEG AND THE K3B TEAM -publisher -preparer -sysid LINUX -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort /tmp/kde-glyn/k3bzbwN7a.tmp -rational-rock -hide-list /tmp/kde-glyn/k3b0quX9a.tmp -joliet -joliet-long -hide-joliet-list /tmp/kde-glyn/k3bNHqsoa.tmp -no-cache-inodes -full-iso9660-filenames -iso-level 2 -path-list /tmp/kde-glyn/k3bhKcH7b.tmp

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Computer Manufactures push for open source compatiable hardware
by Ian McDonald 03 May '08

03 May '08

http://www.linux.com/feature/134125 -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Microsoft working on opensource management tools
by Ian McDonald 03 May '08

03 May '08

http://lwn.net/Articles/280495/rss -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Meeting Video
by Shannon Skinner 03 May '08

03 May '08

Now that the meetings are started to be video'ed, where will they end up? Will there be an announcement to the list when they're ready?

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workshop
by Bruce Kingsbury 02 May '08

02 May '08

Hello, where is everybody?

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WLUG Fixit Meeting is today!
by Meeting Reminder bot 02 May '08

02 May '08

A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday May 3rd, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi/?place/full_map) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc. This is BruceKingsbury's birthday, so there could also be birthday cake.

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WLUG Fixit Meeting tomorrow
by Meeting Reminder bot 01 May '08

01 May '08

A reminder; the WLUG Fixit Meeting is tomorrow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday May 3rd, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi/?place/full_map) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc. This is BruceKingsbury's birthday, so there could also be birthday cake.

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sudo broken after upgrade from gutsy to hairy^Whardy
by Glenn Ramsey 01 May '08

01 May '08

I just upgraded a spare box, to see if it's safe to upgrade my main machine, and the upgrade has broken sudo. When I try to use sudo it says: sudo: unable to resolve host calc calc being the hostname of this machine. How do I fix this? I guess adding the hostname to /etc/hosts would fix it but I can't do that because sudo is broken. Also I haven't set up a root account on this machine. Aside from booting from a rescue disk is there any other way to fix this? Glenn -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] sudo broken after upgrade from gutsy to hairy^Whardy
by GJB 30 Apr '08

30 Apr '08

Aren't we whistling past the graveyard here? Why the hell should a system upgrade cause a sudo failure?? Or am I an idiot for wondering why the adminsitrator should be locked out of his system because he was bold enough to upgrade? Has any one bugged this? Or asked why even? > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [wlug] sudo broken after upgrade from gutsy to > hairy^Whardy > From: "James Pluck" <papabearnz(a)gmail.com> > Date: Wed, April 30, 2008 3:12 pm > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > 2008/4/30 James Pluck <papabearnz(a)gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *brain-break* Shouldn't that be 127.0.0.1? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. 127.0.1.1 > > > > > > > > Why is Localhost 1.1 in Ubuntu instead of 0.1 as is the norm? > > > > > > Enquiring minds and all that :) > > > > > > > localhost is still 127.0.0.1, the name of the machine is 127.0.1.1 > > > > Ahh! I wasn't aware of that. I learned something today *grin* > > And I have no idea why. Googling only comes up with problems caused by it.. > > no explanation of why they set things up this way. > > > > Hmmm - interesting. > > > -- > James Pluck > PalmOS Ergo Sum > "Dear IRS: I would like to cancel my subscription. > Please remove my name from your mailing list..."<hr>_______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Video card fun
by Bryce Utting 29 Apr '08

29 Apr '08

Hi all, Recently purchased a Gigabyte nVidia from PB Tech, hit problems with it (google "8800gt black screen" if interested), and have effectively been told by them to sod off. So, three questions: 1. Anyone got a spare 550W+ ATX supply I could borrow for a few days for last-ditch troubleshooting? (nothing on the web suggests it'll make a difference, but it doesn't hurt to demonstrate that, yes, I've done -everything- to narrow it down to the card.) 2. Once a letter quoting the Consumer Guarantees Act has obtained a refund -- any recommendations on anyone to buy from who -isn't- a thorough fscktard? 3. Thoughts on reasonably-priced preferably non-nVidia cards suitable for gaming? (PCIe, 512MB, etc. the 8800GT was.... -ouch-... $380) ('tis a Windows box -- sigh -- so driver support is a low priority.) ta, Bryce -- http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~butting

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 27 Apr '08

27 Apr '08

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) will talk about Firefox 3 development FOXHOLES: News From The Front Line Of The Browser Wars Web browsers have become a primary application platform, arguably more important than traditional client operating systems. They are also a key security frontier, a vigorously competitive market, and a crucial front in the battle for free software and open standards. For these and other reasons, browser development is both extremely challenging and extremely important. As a core Firefox developer, I will discuss challenges facing our project: competition from Internet Explorer and other browsers; changes to fundamental assumptions about code-level security vulnerabilities; sustaining and evolving a complex and fragile codebase; and the successes and failures of our tools and processes as one of the world's flagship open source projects. Looking forward, I will discuss our efforts to keep the Web vital, in concert with like-minded browser vendors and standards organizations, by enhancing the Web platform with vector and 3D graphics, offline Web applications, accessibility, ric her typography and layout, enhancements to the Javascript language, efforts to improve cross-browser compatibility, and more. I will talk about why everyone should care and what people can do to help --- which includes joining Mozilla to hack on Gecko with my team!

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The Heron has landed: Ubuntu 8.04 officially released
by Peter Reutemann 25 Apr '08

25 Apr '08

Probably old news to most of you, but I'll post it anyway (while I'm downloading the CD images)... http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080424-the-heron-has-landed-ubuntu-8… I'm especially intrigued by the new sound architecture and kernel. Cheers, Peter -- Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ +64 (7) 838-4466 Ext. 5174

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 24 Apr '08

24 Apr '08

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) will talk about Firefox 3 development FOXHOLES: News From The Front Line Of The Browser Wars Web browsers have become a primary application platform, arguably more important than traditional client operating systems. They are also a key security frontier, a vigorously competitive market, and a crucial front in the battle for free software and open standards. For these and other reasons, browser development is both extremely challenging and extremely important. As a core Firefox developer, I will discuss challenges facing our project: competition from Internet Explorer and other browsers; changes to fundamental assumptions about code-level security vulnerabilities; sustaining and evolving a complex and fragile codebase; and the successes and failures of our tools and processes as one of the world's flagship open source projects. Looking forward, I will discuss our efforts to keep the Web vital, in concert with like-minded browser vendors and standards organizations, by enhancing the Web platform with vector and 3D graphics, offline Web applications, accessibility, ric her typography and layout, enhancements to the Javascript language, efforts to improve cross-browser compatibility, and more. I will talk about why everyone should care and what people can do to help --- which includes joining Mozilla to hack on Gecko with my team!

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linkies
by Bruce Kingsbury 24 Apr '08

24 Apr '08

Good News; http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080421091129596 "Word documents generated by today's version of Microsoft Office 2007 do not conform to ISO/IEC 29500," said Brown in a blog post recounting the process of testing a document against the "strict" and "transitional" schema defined in the standard. Let's all make sure governments mandating 'software that conforms to ISO standards' are aware of this, mmmk? Bad news; http://opensource.org/node/328 OLPC to use Windows XP instead of Linux? WTF? Epic fail! "I have no idea what pressures Negroponte is under. I have no idea what failures of leadership, vision, or courage have occurred, are occurring, or are at risk of occurring at the OLPC project today. It would be irresponsible to jump to too many conclusions based on a single article. But if OLPC abandons its open source roots, then I do not see the project accomplishing any of its goals."

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 20 Apr '08

20 Apr '08

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) will talk about Firefox 3 development FOXHOLES: News From The Front Line Of The Browser Wars Web browsers have become a primary application platform, arguably more important than traditional client operating systems. They are also a key security frontier, a vigorously competitive market, and a crucial front in the battle for free software and open standards. For these and other reasons, browser development is both extremely challenging and extremely important. As a core Firefox developer, I will discuss challenges facing our project: competition from Internet Explorer and other browsers; changes to fundamental assumptions about code-level security vulnerabilities; sustaining and evolving a complex and fragile codebase; and the successes and failures of our tools and processes as one of the world's flagship open source projects. Looking forward, I will discuss our efforts to keep the Web vital, in concert with like-minded browser vendors and standards organizations, by enhancing the Web platform with vector and 3D graphics, offline Web applications, accessibility, ric her typography and layout, enhancements to the Javascript language, efforts to improve cross-browser compatibility, and more. I will talk about why everyone should care and what people can do to help --- which includes joining Mozilla to hack on Gecko with my team!

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Kernel based video mode setting
by Ian McDonald 20 Apr '08

20 Apr '08

http://www.osnews.com/story/19661 Shows where graphics is going in Linux at a low level.. -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Open sourcing web video
by Ian McDonald 16 Apr '08

16 Apr '08

http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9918865-16.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=254… Haven't actually checked out the project fully but sounds interesting. -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Thrusday Night Curry
by Lindsay Druett 16 Apr '08

16 Apr '08

Hey Guys, Further to Friday's email... I can believe the week is going so fast. I absolutely must now by tomorrow lunch time who's coming so that I can book a place, hopefully Little India. Please email me off list if you're attending or place your name on the wiki. http://hamilton.thursdaynightcurry.com/index.php/Next_event Please pass this around other lists... nznog, wand, wellyLug, Auckland, Wellington TNC.

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Fwd: Waikato Committee Meeting
by David Hallett 14 Apr '08

14 Apr '08

Peter has the following dates available this month: 16,22,28,29 & 30. The last 3 subject to change at short notice. Do these correlate with any dates you have available? If so, please let us know on list which days. (ASAP!) Otherwise, May 1st or May 8th are the next Thursdays on which we can meet. Thanks, David Unfortunately we had too many last minute cancellations to ensure that we met quorum for our committee meeting. We need to have one this month! Can people please advise on list what dates they can attend. We need attendance commitment from committee members otherwise we end up wasting each other's time. Apologies to Ivan who didn't get my email and was the only person who turned up to the last scheduled committee meeting. I have also received an email from Paul Matthews (CEO) who informed me that we need to appoint a Branch Secretary (it's an "officer" of the branch, and hence a constitutional requirement). Can someone willing to perform this role please volunteer - that last thing we want to do is draw straws for the position!

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Fwd: [NGNOPS'08] CFP: IEEE Workshop on Open Source and Next-Generation Networking, Applications and technologies
by Ian McDonald 12 Apr '08

12 Apr '08

This might be of interest to some who are studying?? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <cbalakri(a)glam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM Subject: [NGNOPS'08] CFP: IEEE Workshop on Open Source and Next-Generation Networking, Applications and technologies To: Ian McDonald <ian.mcdonald(a)jandi.co.nz> Call for Papers, Workshop. ========================== The IEEE NGNOPS'08 workshop is colocated with the IEEE NGMAST'08 conference and scheduled on the Sep 18, 2008, Cardiff, Wales, UK. http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/NGMAST08/workshops/ngnops/index.htm IMPORTANT DATES: Paper Submission: 30 April 2008 Notification of Acceptance: 30 May 2008 Camera Ready 22 June 2008 Author/Early Registration 22 June 2008 Workshop 18 September 2008 Exhibition 17-18 September 2008 Conference Dates 17–19 September 2008 Objective of the workshop =================== The objective of the NGN-OPS workshop is to discuss the open source activities contributing to aspects Next Generation Networking (NGN), mobile devices, development environment and open source technologies enabling in creating an open ecosystem. We are inviting both theoretical, developmental and experimental papers as well as work-in-progress research projects. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Open Source software development projects and community efforts relating to o Next Generation Networking o Mobile Devices o Mobility Technologies o Pervasive Networking o Mobile Applications Development Frameworks and Tools o Deployment of Community Networks using Open Source software and tools * Open Standards efforts relating to o Next Generation Networking o Mobile Applications and Web 2.0 o Network Management for NGNs * Open Source based o NGN Services prototypes o NGN Services test beds * Community based efforts in Wireless Networking PAPER SUBMISSION: ================= Full papers reporting original and unpublished research results on NGMAST topics are solicited. Submissions must not be under consideration for publication elsewhere while being evaluated for this conference. * FORMATTING: The proceedings will be published by the prestigious IEEE Computer Society Press. Submissions must be in IEEE two-column format and must not exceed 6 pages, including figures, tables and references. The cover page should contain title, author names, affiliations, and email addresses. Please indicate clearly the corresponding author. Include up to five keywords from the above list and an abstract of no more than 300 words. * HOW TO SUBMIT: The paper submission for IEEE NGNOPS 2008 will only be accepted through the EDAS Paper Submission System accessible from the link on the website. Only papers in PDF will be accepted for reviewing. Submissions as e-mail attachment will not be accepted. * REVIEWING: Consistent with standard practice, each submitted paper will receive rigorous peer reviewing. Papers will be selected based on their originality, timeliness, significance, relevance and clarity of presentation. Selection will be based on full papers. Submission implies the willingness of at least one of the authors to register and present the paper, if accepted. All accepted papers of the conference are expected to be presented and will be included in the conference proceedings. * CAMERA READY MANUSCRIPT: Accepted papers will need to be formatted in IEEE format (see publication guidelines on the conference website). Camera ready papers must be submitted directly to IEEE through a link that will be activated on the conference website. Again: Only PDF files will be accepted! -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Cisco allowing people to use Linux on ISR
by Ian McDonald 11 Apr '08

11 Apr '08

http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/04/cisco-set-to-dominate-linux-ma… http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3740106 I don't know enough about Cisco routers to know which series this applies to. Maybe Lindsay might like to comment? -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Hamilton Curry - 17th April 2008 - upcoming to the Hamilton 400 V8 Supercars
by Lindsay Druett 11 Apr '08

11 Apr '08

Yes, we're definitely well overdue for a Thursday night curry in H'tron. And with geeks coming to the tron to watch the V8 supercars in action, well, what's a better time to get together and have a curry ? So far, I have got 4 people keen for an early curry, personally 6:30pm onwards would suit me. Because of the nature of the upcoming event, the Hamilton 400 V8 Supercars, I really need to get firm numbers so that I can book ahead At this stage, I'm looking at Little India in Alexandra St which is in Hamilton CBD. On Fri, 2008-04-11 at 17:57 +1200, David Hallett wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Shane Hobson > <shane(a)velocitynetworks.co.nz> wrote: > > > > I'm keen, but would prefer an earlier start. > Any thoughts on 6:00 pm ? > Leave from work, goto to TNC ? > > > I like your thinking Shane. I'm keen on that suggestion. > Especially makes life easier for those of us who live rurally. > Otherwise it's an hour-round trip! > > -- > David Hallett, BSc, MNZCS, MNZSA > Pulsar Computer Solutions Ltd > P.O. Box 15-516 > Hamilton, New Zealand > > Mob: +64-21-802 256 > Email: david(a)pulsar.net.nz > > _______________________________________________ > Hamilton mailing list > Hamilton(a)list.thursdaynightcurry.com > http://list.thursdaynightcurry.com/mailman/listinfo/hamilton

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hamiltron V8s
by Brenda Wallace 11 Apr '08

11 Apr '08

Hi folks i'm heading to tron for the V8 races. Are there any WLUG gatherings around this time? i'm in town from afternoon on 17th, leaving on the 21st. -Brenda

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wtb .. pci serial card
by stephen pearce 09 Apr '08

09 Apr '08

Hi Wanted to buy or beg pci serial card .. preferably 2 ports Tnx -- Stephen Pearce Whangarei ph 021 390 997

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HP jump in on Linux sub-notebook
by Ian McDonald 08 Apr '08

08 Apr '08

Competition is great. Linux is great for this too, given their (lack of) horsepower and the licensing cost (basically zero). http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/04/08/new-hp-education-subno… I see Microsoft is extending XP Home/Starter - just for this category only though. Again a healthy sign of competition. -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 202, Issue 8
by Jaco van der Merwe 08 Apr '08

08 Apr '08

must....remember....to.....omit....body...of...old...text...... > From: wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: wlug Digest, Vol 202, Issue 8 > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:00:08 +1200 > > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mac limitations (Jaco van der Merwe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 04:59:47 +0200 > From: Jaco van der Merwe <freakalad(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: [wlug] Mac limitations > To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <BAY116-W340DB336492747EEB258A3BCF30(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > Hi folks, > > I've moved on to a new job now, doing more hard-core networking & security, and I'm running into a 'glass wall' in terms of functionality & performance. I bought my MacBook pro because it's really good hardware & nice & portable, not to mention it looks really slick. > > I want bump up the memory to the max 4GB & to load on Ubuntu, and then run OS/X & windoze in VMWare. > But I need to set up a recovery system so that I can get back to 'normal' in a pinch if all goes wrong. Unfortunately I did not bring my original OEM OS disks with me. > > Could anyone please assist me or give some advice. I'll scour the ubuntuforums for more info > > Thanks > > - J _________________________________________________________________ Messenger likes to chat, one on one..or to everyone! Welcome to the Family – Download the Windows Live Messenger now http://get.live.com/messenger/overview/

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Mac limitations
by Jaco van der Merwe 07 Apr '08

07 Apr '08

Hi folks, I've moved on to a new job now, doing more hard-core networking & security, and I'm running into a 'glass wall' in terms of functionality & performance. I bought my MacBook pro because it's really good hardware & nice & portable, not to mention it looks really slick. I want bump up the memory to the max 4GB & to load on Ubuntu, and then run OS/X & windoze in VMWare. But I need to set up a recovery system so that I can get back to 'normal' in a pinch if all goes wrong. Unfortunately I did not bring my original OEM OS disks with me. Could anyone please assist me or give some advice. I'll scour the ubuntuforums for more info Thanks - J > From: wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: wlug Digest, Vol 202, Issue 7 > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:00:06 +1200 > > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: wlug Digest, Vol 202, Issue 5 (Bruce Kingsbury) > 2. ubuntu desktop training manual (John) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:37:16 +1200 > From: "Bruce Kingsbury" <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 202, Issue 5 > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: > <54e2f3c80804051737n41ef4005hfed067f780bfe8b2(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Yesterday was great, we got a lot done. I thought it went very well! > Lots of fun too. > > On 06/04/2008, James Pluck <papabearnz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > john wrote: > > > Thanks Bruce - your help invaluable. These meetings are a godsend for > > > those of us struggling to sort out setup issues and are much > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > Agreed! Bruce and Rod have been doing a wonderful job with these meetings! > > > > > > J > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:30:11 +1200 > From: John <jaytee(a)clear.net.nz> > Subject: [wlug] ubuntu desktop training manual > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <1207445411.6893.2.camel(a)wlug-desktop> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi all, > Just in case someone did not see this yet.. > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training > Can be downloaded from the student or tutor perspective. > Regards John. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of wlug Digest, Vol 202, Issue 7 > ************************************ _________________________________________________________________ Messenger likes to chat, one on one..or to everyone! Welcome to the Family – Download the Windows Live Messenger now http://get.live.com/messenger/overview/

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Openoffice 3
by Ian McDonald 06 Apr '08

06 Apr '08

Update on what is in this: http://www.oooninja.com/2008/03/openofficeorg-30-new-features.html To me it looks like features Office has had for years..... Many opensource projects innovate and I think it is time they did this rather than copy. -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 202, Issue 5
by john 06 Apr '08

06 Apr '08

Thanks Bruce - your help invaluable. These meetings are a godsend for those of us struggling to sort out setup issues and are much appreciated. Cheers John On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 12:00 +1300, wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz wrote: > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. WLUG Fixit Meeting is today! (Meeting Reminder bot) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 06:26:44 +1300 > From: Meeting Reminder bot <bot(a)wlug.org.nz> > Subject: [wlug] WLUG Fixit Meeting is today! > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <E1Jhpga-0006AY-KF(a)db.wlug.org.nz> > > A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Saturday April 5th, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm > > We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Ptahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi/?place/full_map) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. > > > We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of wlug Digest, Vol 202, Issue 5 > ************************************

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WLUG Fixit Meeting is today!
by Meeting Reminder bot 04 Apr '08

04 Apr '08

A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday April 5th, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi/?place/full_map) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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WLUG Fixit Meeting tomorrow
by Meeting Reminder bot 03 Apr '08

03 Apr '08

A reminder; the WLUG Fixit Meeting is tomorrow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday April 5th, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi/?place/full_map) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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Intel to multithread all applications
by Anthony Cull 02 Apr '08

02 Apr '08

So intel are deciding to finally innovate a solution people have been asking for years. [Intel today revealed it can convert single threaded software to multithreaded mode without any code modification. The new 'speculative parallel threading' process monitors software and examines whether its processes can be run in parallel. If they can execute succesfully, the software can be recompiled to run as a multithreaded app. Intel says it has realised that programmers are going to need machine help to get software running as multithreaded. "We can't blame the programmers," an Intel spokesman said. "The industry has been complaining for 30 years about how difficult parallel programming is."] http://apcmag.com/we_can_transform_single_thread_to_multithread_intel.htm -- Anthony Cull cullanthony(a)fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be

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Adobe releases AIR alpha for Linux
by Ian McDonald 01 Apr '08

01 Apr '08

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080331-first-look-adobe-air-alpha-un… I think this is interesting that they are working with Linux Foundation (Linus' boss). They are gradually releasing some open source (e.g. Flex tools) but unfortunately this is not yet one of them. -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Memory Question
by James Pluck 31 Mar '08

31 Mar '08

Hi all. I thought there may be a memory expert out there in WLUG land :) Is it deemed a good idea to mix DUal channel with non-dual channel ram in a machine with 4 ram slots? I currently have 1 gb of ddr2-667 ram and was looking at getting another 2 gb but I'm not sure if it is worht getting dual channel ram and running the dual channel in one pair of slots and the single stick in one slot of the other pair. Enquiring minds and all that :) J -- James Pluck PalmOS Ergo Sum "Dear IRS: I would like to cancel my subscription. Please remove my name from your mailing list..."

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Re: [wlug] Memory Question
by Anthony Cull 31 Mar '08

31 Mar '08

> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:25:15 +1300 > From: "James Pluck" <papabearnz(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [wlug] Memory Question > Hi all. > > I thought there may be a memory expert out there in WLUG land :) > > Is it deemed a good idea to mix DUal channel with non-dual channel ram in > a > machine with 4 ram slots? I currently have 1 gb of ddr2-667 ram and was > looking at getting another 2 gb but I'm not sure if it is worht getting > dual > channel ram and running the dual channel in one pair of slots and the > single > stick in one slot of the other pair. > > Enquiring minds and all that :) > Well James, You can run dual channel alongside your existing ram but there is performance benefits not doing so. RAM is cheep these days and it might be worth buying another dual channel of the same brand and type at a latter date. The memory should work well together in a standard mode as long as the memory is of the same timings etc. You can mix it but don't expect the extra performance that dual channel has apart from the performance of having more ram. -- Anthony Cull cullanthony(a)fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - And now for something completely different

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 201, Issue 29
by Anthony Cull 31 Mar '08

31 Mar '08

> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:25:15 +1300 > From: "James Pluck" <papabearnz(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [wlug] Memory Question > Hi all. > > I thought there may be a memory expert out there in WLUG land :) > > Is it deemed a good idea to mix DUal channel with non-dual channel ram in > a > machine with 4 ram slots? I currently have 1 gb of ddr2-667 ram and was > looking at getting another 2 gb but I'm not sure if it is worht getting > dual > channel ram and running the dual channel in one pair of slots and the > single > stick in one slot of the other pair. > > Enquiring minds and all that :) > Well James, You can run dual channel alongside your existing ram but there is performance benefits not doing so. RAM is cheep these days and it might be worth buying another dual channel of the same brand and type at a latter date. The memory should work well together in a standard mode as long as the memory is of the same timings etc. You can mix it but don't expect the extra performance that dual channel has apart from the performance of having more ram. -- Anthony Cull cullanthony(a)fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again

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Nice KDE4.1 screenshots
by Ian McDonald 30 Mar '08

30 Mar '08

http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-4-rev-790000-better-stability-and-performanc… -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 30 Mar '08

30 Mar '08

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Bruce Kingsbury - What's new in Hardy Heron

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Automatix is no more
by Ian McDonald 28 Mar '08

28 Mar '08

I never actually used it but a few people did I know... http://www.osnews.com/story/19538 -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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