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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 18 Sep '08

18 Sep '08

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) We'll have covered a huge bunch of software on Software Freedom Day (http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareFreedomDay2008) For the particular benefit of any visitors (or new members) Bryce Utting (http://www.wlug.org.nz/BryceUtting) will review the ones people were most interested in and kick things open for questions. This may bear a passing similarity with the 2pm session from Saturday. Note that next month's meeting is the AGM, so there won't be a presentation. Feedback from SFD will however be used to guide the November presentation.

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Software Freedom Day
by Bruce Kingsbury 18 Sep '08

18 Sep '08

Hi all, just a quick email about software freedom day (bcc's to random people who may or may not be on the WLUG mailing list, sorry if you got this twice) Bryce is a little worried that at the moment we only have three or four people involved in SFD who really grok Free/OSS software and have a broad knowledge of what's available in various areas. So my first request is that some of the less active members and past members who are able to confidently talk to the public about Free and Open Source software do come along on SFD and give us a hand. RSVP so I know who's coming and don't have to stress about this. Or if you wanted to be more involved in SFD planning, put your hand up now! We've got less than two weeks to get everything sorted and could really use some help. I'm planning to follow up with PBTech about them lending us some nice computers for the day to demo stuff on. Alternatively, would WAND group be able to find some suitable demo machines? It might be easiest if we make use of something that's already on campus. Alternatively, we may end up relying on WLUG members to bring their personal machines. I'd rather avoid that though. Anything else that runs GNU/Linux or embedded Linux? Lindsay is hopefully providing Linksys phones and webcams for the day, and running an Asterisk PABX, hopefully we can link up with other groups during their SFD events. Also if you have a eeepc or similar linux-based 'nettop', bring it along. They're cool and we should let lots of people see how cool they are. And of course, thanks you to those who are already helping. I really hope it all comes together and we have a great SFD! -- This email is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must burn your computer, while standing on one foot and chanting the entire jabberwocky. The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of the person who expressed them.

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Fwd: Wanted - Windows PCs for Software Freedom Day
by cmoman 18 Sep '08

18 Sep '08

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Wanted - Windows PCs for Software Freedom Day Date: Wednesday 17 September 2008 From: Roderick Aldridge <rod-aldridge(a)xnet.co.nz> To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Most of the PCs at SFD demonstrating Free Software will be running Linux. It would be good for the visitors, most of whom will be Windows users to be able to see software running on their familiar system. Most will want to try out Windows versions of FOSS on their PCs rather than taking the plunge and installing Linux, so if you can bring a Windows PC it will really contribute to the success of the day. Roderick Aldridge -------------------------------------------------------

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SFD now very close
by Jaco van der Merwe 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

So! The SFD is on hand We've managed to get something up, albeit a bit late in the hour, @ http://www.wharfit.co.nz/Free_Software_meetings & http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/oceania/nz/devonport (thanks, Milan). More info to be added A big thanks out to everybody who's contributed to the effort, and good luck to our gLUG piers in their SFD endeavours on Sat. Here's hoping next year's event is even bigger than this year's - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com

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Re: [wlug] FW: Stuff that'd be useful on Saturday
by Chris O'Halloran 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

Bryce Utting wrote: > Michael McDonald wrote: > >>> Does anyone have: >>> b) a MIDI keyboard (& a PC that'll talk to it) >>> > > anyone got a gameport-equipped Linux PC? there's plenty of ways of > generating sound from a PC given MIDI input, so no worries on that > score; plug a MIDI kbd in, plug some speakers in, and start up MuseScore > or whatever. > I have a linux box equipped with a DSP2000 (http://www.audiencedp.com/DSP2000.htm) audio/MIDI interface. It would be good for a demonstration of multi-track recording with Ardour and midi with Rosegarden, along with jack for audio routing and transport control, etc. I also have a MIDI keyboard that I use with it. I can bring it along on Saturday if you're keen. Cheers, Matt

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Software Freedom Day
by Ron Dean 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

I'll be there and would be happy to demonstrate gimp basics -- Ron Dean 2 Shannon Place Nawton Hamilton Ph 8493904

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Stuff that'd be useful on Saturday
by Bryce Utting 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

Does anyone have: a) a USB steering wheel b) a MIDI keyboard (& a PC that'll talk to it) c) digital video cameras (the higher quality the better, and the more the better come to that; USB-capable ideally) the first'll be good for showing off Torcs, the second for keeping any musicians' attention, the third for recording Nandor's talk. (I'm entirely happy with editing say three roughly-synced video streams on the day while being shoulder-surfed then uploading to YouTube. I tried, work's are all in Sydney.) if there's *any* chance of any of these being there on Saturday, they'd be grand. as for other instruments, I'm thinking of packing a guitar + multi- effects and bringing them in if there's anything to attach them to (and anyone interested). can't commit to my laptop being any use: Audacity will record single tracks to an empty file, but then refuses to even recognise the microphone to record any more. (bizarre, that) (this... also means that the demo Audacity file on the poster -- which, yes, really *is* tracks from a Hammond through a Leslie, a guitar, another guitar, a Hammond through a plain speaker, and a piano, all recorded wild and independently, with a drum solo stolen from the web, all sliced up randomly based on what looked pretty -- is a *truly* hellish din, not helped at all by Audacity repeatedly crashing in horror while trying to make it. I'll try not to play it too much.) butting (mad science isn't just for Christmas, you know)

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Re: [wlug] [NZOSS-OpenChat] SFD Events
by Michael McDonald 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

2008/9/17 Don <don(a)catalyst.net.nz>: > Micheal > That looks like a great event and congrats on getting Nandar in. > Cheers > Don Don't thank me! I'm not on the committee. It has been others who have been doing the work. I'll post this to WLUG also so that those who did the organising can take the kudos. Michael >> 2008/9/17 Don <don(a)catalyst.net.nz>: >> > 95bFM in Auckland want to talk about SFD. I know a lot about the >> > Wellington event but would be keen to publicise details of events >> > elsewhere in NZ. The SFD website is sorely lacking in info this year. >> > So, if you have some details please pass them on to me before 1:40 this >> > afternoon. >> > On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 09:53 +1200, Michael McDonald wrote: >> WLUG's (Hamilton) plans are at http://wlug.org.nz/SoftwareFreedomDay2008

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 14 Sep '08

14 Sep '08

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Topic to be announced.

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FLOSS Technology Feature in Waikato Times
by David Hallett 12 Sep '08

12 Sep '08

There is a quiet revolution going on among the world's computer users. One of the people at the heart of that revolution is New Zealand Open Source Society president Don Christie, who preached his revolutionary message to the New Zealand Computer Society at Wintec, in Hamilton. http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikatotimes/4690613a14335.html Regards, David Hallett, BSc, MNZCS Pulsar Computer Solutions Ltd P.O. Box 15-516 Hamilton, New Zealand Phone: +64-7-210 5520 Mobile: +64-21-802 256 Email: david(a)pulsar.net.nz

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Preparing for SFD
by Bryce Utting 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Hi all, The publicity's up, the word's out, the gremlins have been beaten senseless with 4x2s and the usual appalling jokes, and now it's time to get ready for the day. A quick recap (since I've lost track of what's happened on which list): * we're putting on a bunch of (short, hourly) presentations at S Block on Saturday the 20th * Nandor Tanzcos is opening * we're hoping to see a whole bunch of people wanting to know more about F/OSS software * preparations are under way to kit the place out with PCs and have them doing hopefully-interesting stuff * there's also the -tiniest- suggestion of a hint that we might be implying that we're there to help answer questions, solve problems, and help out installing stuff. The only remaining worries now are: * nobody comes * EVERYBODY comes It's the latter I'm thinking about. We need to be sure of a core of people who'll be there on the day (it doesn't have to be the whole day), who can offer expertise in areas that people might come with questions about. Know how to painlessly burn CDs? How to walk a Windows user through what's different about Gnome or KDE desktops? How to build documents in OpenOffice? How to safely camp in Tremulous? Then you can help. You don't need to be an expert: if you know enough to be useful, and also know what your limitations are, then that's enough right there to get someone started on the basics and if you hit the wall to pass them on to the next person on the list. So, after a quick chat with Bruce I figure the best way to manage this is to sign up with what we're each willing to help with. This'll mean that, in the event of things getting overwelming, we all know who we can pass thorny questions on to and who can help with triage on queues. And if we keep copies handy, we can discreetly look it up rather than relying on some dim idea that what's-'s-name-'ve-met-twice-three-months- ago might be able to answer the question of how to create a DVD menu. If that's you, adding yourself to the list will help hugely. www.wlug.org.nz/SFD%202008%20Hosts (yeah, I know. but WikiWords don't LIKE acronyms, and it's really a use-once-and-forget page anyway.) And, further to that: we can keep the day flowing, and keep people's interest, if we can be sure of spot presentations during the day. If you're comfortable with getting up front and talking for three minutes about Gimp, Firefox extensions, something weird you've done in Perl, or how Mandrake keeps your cat fed, that'd be great: add that too. These are particularly useful because it means that we can keep the technical lot fed between user-level main presentations, and the users fed in between tech-level main presentations. (and if the day -is- quiet, you might get let off the hook.) sweet as. bryce

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SFD poster: need a photo gallery from a member URGENTLY
by butting＠ihug.co.nz 10 Sep '08

10 Sep '08

Hi all, We have the makings (I hope) of some great publicity for SFD. The banner I'm working on will hopefully be ready to print tomorrow, which you might guess is well past the original deadlines (and getting woefully close to the day itself). I've had some excellent stuff come in, but far far too late for our original plan of printing last Friday. I'd like to finish tonight, and there's one last thing I need: an online photo gallery that I can take a shot of. I don't need a screenshot, just a URL, of a gallery that you've created and own the rights to and are happy to have an image of the thumbnails of it released under creative commons with non-attrib. (the thumbnails, not the images themselves.) Something like: Something like http://softwarefreedomday.org/gallery/2007/newzealand/hamilton would be brilliant, only I've already used those images elsewhere. Can anyone help? Would be greatly appreciated. ta, Bryce

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 07 Sep '08

07 Sep '08

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Previous Minutes # Treasurers report # Correspondence # Matters # Server status # General business

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Re: [wlug] SFD library poster: still urgently need shots!
by Bryce Utting 07 Sep '08

07 Sep '08

I wrote: > CURRENT NEED-URGENTLY LIST: ... > CC photos of the Symphony cluster > (can anyone get me into the Symphony lab today or tomorrow?) does anyone have phone numbers for Jamie or for Donald Neal? (or anyone else with access to the lab) or for Rod or Nandor? contact me please ASAP thanks. Bryce

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gNewSense
by Bruce Kingsbury 06 Sep '08

06 Sep '08

I just installed gNewSense this morning on my laptop, and I am rather plesantly surprised how useable it actually is! I have no inbuilt wireless, of course. Broadcom chipsets require a non-free binar blob so I was expecting that. My USB wireless adapter (ZyDAS WLA-54L WiFi) also doesn't work, which surprised me. It worked OOTB in Ubuntu so I had assumed it was using only Free software, but perhaps not. I'm fairly sure my rt2400 card would work with entirely free software, but I an't seem to find it at the moment. Pity. I've installed swfdec and I'm very happy to find it plays both youtube videos and weebls stuff. At least all the ones I've tried so far, which isn't many.. I'll have to try some flash games next. I've also installed all of the 'Free but patent-threatened' codecs and libdvdcss2. Apart from not having wireless, I can do pretty much everything I was doing before in Ubuntu. This rocks! -- This email is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must burn your computer, while standing on one foot and chanting the entire jabberwocky. The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of the person who expressed them.

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Re: [wlug] SFD library poster: call for contributions (now URGENT)
by Bryce Utting 06 Sep '08

06 Sep '08

Hi all, A couple of weeks ago, I wrote: > To do that, we need colourful, compelling, and useful (where applicable) > screenshots of a wide range of FOSS software. These screenshots need to > be released under Creative Commons, so we need to draw on resources > within WLUG rather than simply downloading sample screenshots. We've > got around 2.4 x 1.2 metres, so we've got real estate to burn. > > I've set up a page detailing the goals, showing the current layout > design (using, ahem, downloaded screenshots), and listing candidate > packages: > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~butting/wlug/contrib.html > > If you think you can offer something -- killer examples of Inkscape or > Gimp in use, Kino being used to create something lively, a Rosegarden > composition, a Mono program that looks good onscreen -- please, please, > check the page out and drop me a line. Things are looking grim, and it's causing a truckload of stress here. Deadline is *FRIDAY*, and so far I've not seen -any- final, print-ready artwork. The only contributions so far have been from just two people. Everything else has come off my bat: Impress, Kino (will be replacing with either Jahshaka or Avidemux), Firefox (pending, tho), Inkscape, MuseScore, and Torcs. I *need*: Euler, Wesnoth, Freeciv, Frets on Fire, Glest, Neverball, Flightgear, Gimp, OpenOffice Writer & Calc, and Mono (*especially* Mono). Surely someone's able to contribute? butting

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WLUG Fixit Meeting is today!
by Meeting Reminder bot 05 Sep '08

05 Sep '08

A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday September 6th, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi/?place/full_map) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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WLUG Fixit Meeting tomorrow
by Meeting Reminder bot 05 Sep '08

05 Sep '08

A reminder; the WLUG Fixit Meeting is tomorrow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday September 6th, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi/?place/full_map) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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Reminder bot? Saturday workshop
by Bruce Kingsbury 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

I haven't seen any bot reminders for the Saturday workshop. Is it getting them from the wiki page or just the sidebar? Anyhow; Saturday workshop on the 6th. I'll be there. If you have stuff you'd like help with, be there too! -- This email is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must burn your computer, while standing on one foot and chanting the entire jabberwocky. The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of the person who expressed them.

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Happy Birthday to GNU
by Ronnie Collinson 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

As part of GNU's 25 birthday, has released a short film featuring Stephen Fry, for those intersted here is a link<http://www.gnu.org/fry/happy-birthday-to-gnu.html>. Havent watched myself yet, but will a bit later

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Getting blog on http://planet.wlug.org.nz/
by Stuart A. Yeates 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

Hello My previous blog was on http://planet.wlug.org.nz/, and now I have a new blog at http://opensourceexile.blogspot.com/, could this please be added? I've moved to increase the level of geekiness by separating my photography and my dacing into separate blogs. cheers stuart

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Fixit Meeting
by Ron Dean 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

Is there a fixit meeting this Saturday -- Ron Dean 2 Shannon Place Nawton Hamilton Ph 8493904

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Happy Birthday to GNU!
by Bruce Kingsbury 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

http://www.gnu.org/fry/happy-birthday-to-gnu-download.html -- This email is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must burn your computer, while standing on one foot and chanting the entire jabberwocky. The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of the person who expressed them.

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Trash folder location...
by Chakat Sandwalker 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

I have something stuck in my Trash folder that I can't delete because root owns it. Where is the trash directory stored in Ubuntu 8.04? It was easy when it was just ~/.Trash, but I've no idea where it is now -- I can't get into trash:/// through the command line. Makes me wish there was a 'delete as root/administrator' option in the right-click context menu. Sandy

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NZCS Innovators Series Lunch: Don Christie (Hamilton) - 8 Sep 2008
by David Hallett 31 Aug '08

31 Aug '08

The NZ Computer Society (NZCS) is proud to announce a new monthly series of events from August to December 2008 in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin and Hamilton, bringing some of the true "Innovators of ICT" to a city near you. Register at http://nzcs.org.nz/events/waikato_bop/3202-NZCS_Innovators_Series%3A_Don_Ch…<http://nzcs.org.nz/events/waikato_bop/3202-NZCS_Innovators_Series%3A_Don_Ch…> This month Don Christie will be presenting his talk on "Using Open Source to Build Innovative Solutions". Don Christie will need no introduction to those in the Open Source world, but has an extremely interesting story of innovative success relevant to those in the commercial software space as well. As a founder of what is now New Zealand's largest open source solutions provider, Don is one of the first people to build a truly viable and successful commercial model in New Zealand around open source software. Don's company Catalyst IT, which was voted in NBR Magazine earlier this year as the most exciting company in New Zealand, provides significant solutions to companies such as Telecom, Fairfax, the TAB, plus a host of Government agencies. Catalyst also architected, designed and developed, host and maintain NZ Registry Service's core system, the Shared Registry System (SRS) which maintains the .nz domain space (i.e. handles all .nz internet addresses). In this intriguing presentation, come and hear what inspired Don to take his passion for Open Source to the mainstream and the hurdles he has had to overcome along the way. Don will also discuss his keys to success in turning concepts into reality, an integral step on the path of innovation. The insight presented by Don will be of huge interest to others aspiring to be the best in their field through hard work and true innovation. Don is also the organiser of the NZ Open Source Awards and president of the NZ Open Source Society. Date: 8 September 2008 Time: 12:00 PM - 1:30 PM Venue: The Hub at Wintec, City Campus, Gate 5, Tristram Street, Hamilton REGISTRATION IS ESSENTIAL: http://nzcs.org.nz/events/waikato_bop/3202-NZCS_Innovators_Series%3A_Don_Ch…<http://nzcs.org.nz/events/waikato_bop/3202-NZCS_Innovators_Series%3A_Don_Ch…> This event will sell out in most areas, hence registration is essential. Best Regards, David Hallett, BSc, MNZCS Pulsar Computer Solutions Ltd P.O. Box 15-516 Hamilton, New Zealand Phone: +64-7-210 5520 Mobile: +64-21-802 256 Email: david(a)pulsar.net.nz

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Fwd: Radio NZ
by Ian McDonald 27 Aug '08

27 Aug '08

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Linux Gaming World Editorial Manager <linuxgamingworld(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Greetings !!! To: Ian McDonald <ian.mcdonald(a)jandi.co.nz> Hello again, Ian, from the USA! Are you following this exciting news, about Radio New Zealand? http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080821100600851 I have been helping a local radio station here, with the same: wscafm.org Hope all is well with you. Sure was great meeting you. Best regards, Matthew Craig -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/, http://www.jandi.co.nz Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 24 Aug '08

24 Aug '08

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Web-enabled Linksys devices using Embedded Linux

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Cloning a hard drive
by Glenn Ramsey 23 Aug '08

23 Aug '08

Hi, I need to install a bigger hard drive in my laptop which dual boots Windows & Linux. I was wondering if anyone knows of any gotchas that I should be aware of? What I'm planning to do is to boot from the GParted liveCD and first use dd to clone the original drive with dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb and then use gparted to resize the partitions. Seems too simple, have I missed something? Glenn -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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[OT] Windows OS required
by James Pluck 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Hi all, I am looking for a copy of Windows XP (SP2 minimum) or Vista (Business or better - 64 preferred) to buy. I'm only interested in a legitimate license and media. Unfortunately I can't afford a retail version of Vista and no-one seems to have XP anymore :( If anyone has bought a pc recently and wants to offload any "Microsoft tax" that came with it I would be willing to discuss it. Please don't give me a hard time for wanting Windows. I need to rebuild my PC and there are professional and personal reasons why it's not viable for me to go Linux only. Thank you James. -- James Pluck PalmOS Ergo Sum "Dear IRS: I would like to cancel my subscription. Please remove my name from your mailing list..."

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 206, Issue 18
by Jaco van der Merwe 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

CloneZilla LiveCD ISO @ http://gpartedclonz.tuxfamily.org/ > From: wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: wlug Digest, Vol 206, Issue 18 > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:00:07 +1200 > > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT] Windows OS required (Daniel Lawson) > 2. Cloning a hard drive (Glenn Ramsey) > 3. Re: Cloning a hard drive (Bruce Kingsbury) > 4. Re: [OT] Windows OS required (Graham lauder) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:20:59 +1200 > From: Daniel Lawson <daniel(a)meta.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] [OT] Windows OS required > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <EBA26160-9870-46A3-B724-27A01DDAE570(a)meta.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > > It might be worth checking directly with Microsoft NZ and verifying > > this before jumping to conclusions. My understanding (from reading > > MSFT documentation about volume licensing in general, and from having > > been given some ex-educational computers in the past) is that the > > licence is only valid for employees / students of the organisation > > with the volume licence. If the computer is sold or donated the > > software licence is no longer valid. I'm not certain that the same > > applies if the student / employee leaves and takes a computer with > > them, but that would seem logical. > > Further to this (and, I guess, contrary to my previous post): > > http://www.msdnaa.net/emea/FullEnglish_documentation.aspx > ... > 2. Do students need to uninstall the software at the end of the > course? No, students are allowed to keep the software they have > installed, but they may not check out or download additional MSDNAA > software unless they continue taking courses from a member department. > Regardless, they are still bound by the terms of the MSDNAA License > Amendment. The department is responsible for informing students of the > usage limitations governed by the MSDNAA License Amendment, and the > department should periodically remind students of those conditions. > > Graham: I'd trust MS's documentation over the policy of an individual > school. > > However, the terms of the MSDNAA do say you can't use the software for > commercial purposes. So James, if you're wanting to install windows to > have access to software you need for work, then this is still in > breach of the agreement. > > I think this thread is pretty well and truly done by now. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:24:38 +1200 > From: Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> > Subject: [wlug] Cloning a hard drive > To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <48ADEB26.9040300(a)componic.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I need to install a bigger hard drive in my laptop which dual boots > Windows & Linux. I was wondering if anyone knows of any gotchas that I > should be aware of? > > What I'm planning to do is to boot from the GParted liveCD and first use > dd to clone the original drive with > > dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb > > and then use gparted to resize the partitions. > > Seems too simple, have I missed something? > > Glenn > > -- > Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 > http://www.componic.co.nz > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:47:56 +1200 > From: "Bruce Kingsbury" <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] Cloning a hard drive > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: > <54e2f3c80808211547s3b3bdcd7vbbbaa4cef13d5d17(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2008/8/22 Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz>: > > Hi, > > > > I need to install a bigger hard drive in my laptop which dual boots > > Windows & Linux. I was wondering if anyone knows of any gotchas that I > > should be aware of? > > > > What I'm planning to do is to boot from the GParted liveCD and first use > > dd to clone the original drive with > > > > dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb > > > > and then use gparted to resize the partitions. > > > > Seems too simple, have I missed something? > > > > Glenn > > > > That would probably work, but it's not how I'd do it because it is > likely to result in your partition table being 'less than ideal' for > the new drive geometry. > > I generally create a new filesystem (with the new drive where it's > going to be permanently, and the old drive as slave). Mount the new > filesystem as '/target' and the old one as '/source', use cp -a to > copy everything over. > > Then update the UUID's in /target/boot/grub/menu.lst and > /target/etc/fstab to match the new filesystem. You can get filesystem > UUID's using the vol_id command. > > Then run grub-install --root-directory=/target. > > There may be better ways, but this works for me. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:26:20 +1200 > From: Graham lauder <yorick_(a)openoffice.org> > Subject: Re: [wlug] [OT] Windows OS required > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <1219361180.1339.11.camel(a)linux-rzf3.site> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 09:20 +1200, Daniel Lawson wrote: > > > It might be worth checking directly with Microsoft NZ and verifying > > > this before jumping to conclusions. My understanding (from reading > > > MSFT documentation about volume licensing in general, and from having > > > been given some ex-educational computers in the past) is that the > > > licence is only valid for employees / students of the organisation > > > with the volume licence. If the computer is sold or donated the > > > software licence is no longer valid. I'm not certain that the same > > > applies if the student / employee leaves and takes a computer with > > > them, but that would seem logical. > > > > Further to this (and, I guess, contrary to my previous post): > > > > http://www.msdnaa.net/emea/FullEnglish_documentation.aspx > > ... > > 2. Do students need to uninstall the software at the end of the > > course? No, students are allowed to keep the software they have > > installed, but they may not check out or download additional MSDNAA > > software unless they continue taking courses from a member department. > > Regardless, they are still bound by the terms of the MSDNAA License > > Amendment. The department is responsible for informing students of the > > usage limitations governed by the MSDNAA License Amendment, and the > > department should periodically remind students of those conditions. > > > > Graham: I'd trust MS's documentation over the policy of an individual > > school. > > True, and thanks for that link Daniel, it will be useful. I just grabbed > the first one in my search that fitted. I think the critical factor is > that a user can only continue to use it as a learning tool. If the user > is no longer an eligible user then it is unlikely that it is being used > as a learning tool.... Of course being an advocate of Lifelong > learning.... :) > > > > > However, the terms of the MSDNAA do say you can't use the software for > > commercial purposes. So James, if you're wanting to install windows to > > have access to software you need for work, then this is still in > > breach of the agreement. > > > > I think this thread is pretty well and truly done by now. > > > > As much as anything it shows the mess that MS licensing policies cause. > > -- > Graham Lauder, > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > INGOTs Assessor Trainer > (International Grades in Office Technologies) > www.theingots.org > > Open Opportunities ltd. > Open Technologies Training and Migration Consultants > http://www.openopportunities.co.nz > http://openoffice.org > http://www.opensuse.org > > OOoGear: For the Well dressed OOo Advocate > http://ooogear.co.nz > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of wlug Digest, Vol 206, Issue 18 > ************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces – your life, your Space. 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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Web-enabled Linksys devices using Embedded Linux

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XP [OT]
by Jaco van der Merwe 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

No worries, James I've cooked my machine(s) so frequently (hardware & software) & had endless issues with redmond, even if I prove I'm the legit owner of a licence (numerous through the years, actually), that I've now resorted to VM's (which may very well be a breach of licence, but I simply don't care any more). That way I can setup a basic system as I like it & back it up & store it. I can easily move it from machine to machine (and btw, run multiple copies, though I seldom do this; 1 is enough for my tests). If I do somethingh to blow my win, it's easy to recover _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces – your life, your Space. Click here to find out more. http://get.live.com/spaces/overview

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apologies
by Jaco van der Merwe 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

I'd like to apologize to the XP user for the tine of my last message As Craig pointed out, it may have been construed as 'derogatory' (the reference to 'Windoze' as opposed to 'windows'). This could prove counter-productive... If I came across a bit strong, it was not my intent So here is the long & the short of it. win licensing is a nightmare. Best just get an old box with a licence & fly with that. For distro's, go to www.distrowatch.com This is the be-all & end-all for distro's, and here you can pick & choose from many, MANY distro's, fOSS & commercial. Even listing for retail suppliers of disks. Go with a "LiveCD" (or a liveUSB if you want) to non-destructively try the system(s) before committing. Make nifty gifts too. Go to ubuntuforums.org for 90% of you Linux (any distro) questions. Resource & links are comprehensive, most users aren't as abrasive as myself, and turnaround time is usually very quick. Just be sure to do a search on a topic before asking a question that's been covered many time before. If all else fails, bring your kit to an "install-fest" @ your next gLUG meeting, when & wherever that happens. BTW. check the channels to see about the upcoming SoftwareFreedomDay.org on the 20th Sept. That may also be a very good time to get i's crossed & t's dotted _________________________________________________________________ Tired of having no room left in your inbox? Windows Live Hotmail now gives you 5GB of FREE storage! Get your free Windows Live Hotmail account here! http://get.live.com/mail/overview

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 206, Issue 15
by Jaco van der Merwe 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

I think the point is being missed here. This is a LUG. It's all good & fine to keep XP around for legacy reasons, either in a VM or as a dual boot option, but there are numerous licensing pit-fall's involved. Focus on the (g)Linux (please) If you want a windoze OS, the simplest is really to go to TradeMe, and get an old busted machine. Use the rest for spares, or another home linux server (IPCop firewall? mythbuntu? torrentflux? NAS/RAS?). That way windows will basically cost you the price of shipping. (or you can be sneaky & try to lay your hands on a MSDN version; 2k is still the best) Any other option option, you simply spinning your wheels & creating more problems in the long run. I've tries to get an old XP licence from users that have 'upgraded' to vista; good luck with that one - Jaco _________________________________________________________________ It’s time to join the family - Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services now! http://get.live.com/

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XP SP2
by David Bowen 20 Aug '08

20 Aug '08

Hi How about using nLite to slipstream SP2 and even SP3 onto your disk copy? http://www.nliteos.com/ Cheers David

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SFD library poster: call for contributions
by Bryce Utting 19 Aug '08

19 Aug '08

Hi all, I'm preparing a display that's to occupy a poster in the public library for the two weeks leading up to Software Freedom Day. The intent is to demonstrate the usefulness and attraction of FOSS software with a whoooole bunch of screenshots, grouped (transparently) around a set of categories that'll hopefully catch all comers. Ideally: someone will walk past, see a bunch of colour, see something surprising being done with (eg) OOo Writer, and think "... if I download a copy (and become awesomely talented), *I* could do that." (whether they show up at the installfest is kindof a side goal: it'd be great, but we really want people knowing what they can do with FOSS, and also knowing that it's free and that they don't need to fork out $$$ for Office, Photoshop, Unreal, Visual Studio, or whatever. and where to get it from, of course.) To do that, we need colourful, compelling, and useful (where applicable) screenshots of a wide range of FOSS software. These screenshots need to be released under Creative Commons, so we need to draw on resources within WLUG rather than simply downloading sample screenshots. We've got around 2.4 x 1.2 metres, so we've got real estate to burn. I've set up a page detailing the goals, showing the current layout design (using, ahem, downloaded screenshots), and listing candidate packages: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~butting/wlug/contrib.html If you think you can offer something -- killer examples of Inkscape or Gimp in use, Kino being used to create something lively, a Rosegarden composition, a Mono program that looks good onscreen -- please, please, check the page out and drop me a line. ta, Bryce

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 17 Aug '08

17 Aug '08

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) Web-enabled Linksys devices using Embedded Linux

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Dick Smith Acer Aspire 5315 NoteBook
by Ron Dean 15 Aug '08

15 Aug '08

Has anybody had experience in setting this up with Ubuntu 8.04 The full Model Number is AS5315-201G08Mi I am thinking of buying one . I found on the web information about Aspire 5315 that it could be got to work but when I searched with the whole model number couldn't find any information. -- Ron Dean 2 Shannon Place Nawton Hamilton Ph 8493904

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Fwd: [Fwd: Stallman Interview on TV]
by Ian McDonald 11 Aug '08

11 Aug '08

---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Stallman Interview on TV From: "Steve Reeves" <stever(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Sat, August 9, 2008 1:50 pm To: cs-staff(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz cs-grads(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------------------- AltTV (channel 65 on Sky) Wednesday, on the programme Greencore. The show is 8pm - 8.30 but not sure when the interview will show precisely. Its about 10 mins. Steve -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Aritcle on why OLPC has failed (so far)
by Ian McDonald 10 Aug '08

10 Aug '08

Very interesting read here: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4472654.ece -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 10 Aug '08

10 Aug '08

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Previous Minutes # Treasurers report # Correspondence # Matters # Server status # General business

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[Fwd: Re: Ogg Vorbis format - freedom?]
by Roger Sinel 09 Aug '08

09 Aug '08

Here is the answer to the question regarding distribution of the RMS interview file, from the Radio NZ Webmaster. /Roger Sinel -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Webmaster <Webmaster(a)radionz.co.nz> To: roger.sinel(a)nordickiwi.com Subject: Re: Ogg Vorbis format - freedom? Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:41:01 +1200 Hello Roger, It is covered by our standard terms of use, which essentially allows for personal use only. You can link to the audio though, provided credit of the source is given (the link is not going to expire). regards, Richard Hulse Webmaster >>> rsinel(a)bredband.net 08/09/08 8:55 PM >>> Hello, Is the interview file from the Richard Stallman freely distributable? http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/sat/sat-20080809-0845-Richard_Stallman_Freedom… -- Mvh Roger Sinel roger.sinel(a)nordickiwi.com www.nordickiwi.com + gpg key -- http://www.nordickiwi.com/rsinel.asc + fingerprint -- F0EF 2C17 99CA DC06 132A 967F B642 D0BA 6503 87C7

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[Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: Fwd: FYI: Richard Stallman interview tomorrow at 8.12am]]
by Roger Sinel 09 Aug '08

09 Aug '08

Bruce, I forwarded your question to Simon Bridge. See his answers below. I see that all the audio files from the saturday program http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday are in Ogg Vorbis format... but does that mean that all the files are freely distributable or just the RMS interview? /Roger Sinel -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: simon <simonbridge(a)ihug.co.nz> To: roger.sinel(a)nordickiwi.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [wlug] Fwd: FYI: Richard Stallman interview tomorrow at 8.12am] Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:26:54 +1200 Roger Sinel wrote: > Hi Simon, a few of us from WLUG are wondering if Radio NZ meant that the > interview Ogg Vorbis files will be freely distributable? > > I just thought you might be in the know about this. > > Simon Bridge wrote: that's our understanding. > /Roger Sinel > > > Mvh > Roger Sinel > roger.sinel(a)nordickiwi.com > www.nordickiwi.com > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Bruce Kingsbury <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> > Reply-To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] Fwd: FYI: Richard Stallman interview tomorrow at > 8.12am > Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:27:10 +1200 > > >> Hi there, >> >> FYI: Richard Stallman is being interviewed by Kim Hill tomorrow >> morning on Radio NZ at 8.12am. >> >> Saturday Morning >> with Kim Hill >> Saturday, 8am - Midday >> > > Just finished listening to this (via a propriatory MS streaming format ;) > > Not a bad interview, and at the end they mentioned it will also be > available as an Ogg Vorbis file. They didn't mention if it would be > freely re distributable though, which I think would be just as > important as the format it's released in. > Simon Bridge wrote: Yes - rms was clear about this. The website should be specifying a cc licence > _______________________________________________ > > + gpg key -- http://www.nordickiwi.com/rsinel.asc > + fingerprint -- F0EF 2C17 99CA DC06 132A 967F B642 D0BA 6503 87C7 > > -- Mvh Roger Sinel roger.sinel(a)nordickiwi.com www.nordickiwi.com + gpg key -- http://www.nordickiwi.com/rsinel.asc + fingerprint -- F0EF 2C17 99CA DC06 132A 967F B642 D0BA 6503 87C7

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Fwd: FYI: Richard Stallman interview tomorrow at 8.12am
by Peter Reutemann 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marieke Boleyn <mboleyn(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:36 PM Subject: FYI: Richard Stallman interview tomorrow at 8.12am Hi there, FYI: Richard Stallman is being interviewed by Kim Hill tomorrow morning on Radio NZ at 8.12am. Saturday Morning with Kim Hill Saturday, 8am - Midday Guest details for Saturday Morning 9 August 2008 8:12 Richard Stallman Richard Stallman is a software freedom activist and developer. In 1983 he announced the project to develop the GNU operating system, a Unix-like operating system meant to be entirely free software, and has been the project's leader ever since. He is visiting New Zealand for a range of engagements and events from 6 to 12 August to help promote the use, dissemination and ideals of free software.

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 206, Issue 5
by Jaco van der Merwe 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

I have some mates in SA, some with a bit of Linux experience, but more the C's, who are looking to come here. If you don't find somebody, pm me - Jaco > From: wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: wlug Digest, Vol 206, Issue 5 > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:00:07 +1200 > > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. $250 Reward offered (Marcela Sierra C) > 2. Fwd: Seminar: Richard Stallman - Copyright vs Community > (Peter Reutemann) > 3. Re: Fwd: Seminar: Richard Stallman - Copyright vs Community > (James Pluck) > 4. Re: $250 Reward offered (Shannon Skinner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:30:50 +1200 > From: Marcela Sierra C <ttmsierra(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: [wlug] $250 Reward offered > To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <BAY115-W214F76831AECEF8AA89AB6BC750(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi there > > Can you help me? I'm looking for someone with SQL, HTML & JavaScript experience - Perl & Informix exp & RedHat quals an advantage but totally negotiable - for a great job in Hamilton. It's exclusively mine and I'd love to find the right person in Hamilton rather than going after candidates in Auckland or overseas. Do you know anyone you could refer to me? > > There is a $250 reward for the person who refers the successful candidate. Please take a look at my ad for more info: > > http://it.seek.co.nz/users/apply/index.ascx?Sequence=54&PageNumber=1&JobID=… > > Thanks for your time :) > > Marcela > _________________________________________________________________ > Get inspired - dream, research, plan and book your next holiday online with MSN NZ Travel > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Ftravel%2Emsn%2Eco%2Enz&_t=7… >

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Re: [wlug] Job description
by Marcela Sierra C 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

Hi Sorry, Shannon, I can't discuss the job here for business reasons but I am happy to discuss who the role is with if you call me on 09 302 7023 or 0212733300; if you send through your CV (whether you ultimately decide to ask us to put you forward or not), I can send you the job description and discuss the pay rate with you. Unfortunately, we have been experiencing technical difficulties with our email at the moment, which is why I have subscribed to the mailing list through my hotmail address, but you can either apply directly through www.seek.co.nz or send your CV to me at marcela(a)absoluteit.co.nz or ttmsierra(a)hotmail.com. Thanks for your interest; I appreciate you taking the time to consider the role. Kind regards, Marcela> From: wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: wlug Digest, Vol 206, Issue 5> To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:00:07 +1200> > Send wlug mailing list submissions to> wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > You can reach the person managing the list at> wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. $250 Reward offered (Marcela Sierra C)> 2. Fwd: Seminar: Richard Stallman - Copyright vs Community> (Peter Reutemann)> 3. Re: Fwd: Seminar: Richard Stallman - Copyright vs Community> (James Pluck)> 4. Re: $250 Reward offered (Shannon Skinner)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:30:50 +1200> From: Marcela Sierra C <ttmsierra(a)hotmail.com>> Subject: [wlug] $250 Reward offered> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>> Message-ID: <BAY115-W214F76831AECEF8AA89AB6BC750(a)phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Hi there> > Can you help me? I'm looking for someone with SQL, HTML & JavaScript experience - Perl & Informix exp & RedHat quals an advantage but totally negotiable - for a great job in Hamilton. It's exclusively mine and I'd love to find the right person in Hamilton rather than going after candidates in Auckland or overseas. Do you know anyone you could refer to me?> > There is a $250 reward for the person who refers the successful candidate. Please take a look at my ad for more info: > > http://it.seek.co.nz/users/apply/index.ascx?Sequence=54&PageNumber=1&JobID=…> > Thanks for your time :)> > Marcela> _________________________________________________________________> Get inspired - dream, research, plan and book your next holiday online with MSN NZ Travel > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Ftravel%2Emsn%2Eco%2Enz&_t=7…> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20080807/8b06e689/atta… > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:59:16 +1200> From: "Peter Reutemann" <fracpete(a)waikato.ac.nz>> Subject: [wlug] Fwd: Seminar: Richard Stallman - Copyright vs> Community> To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>> Message-ID:> <548e07050808062059p5bbef080lde597b8b9cc47164(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Hi there> > Below the official announcement of RMS' visit here at Waikato university.> > Note: Use the following link to search for block "L" (the seminar is> taking place in room 01 on the ground floor):> http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map/> > Cheers, Peter> > ---------------------------------------------------> SEMINAR: Wednesday 20 August, 6 - 8pm in LG.01> ----------------------------------------------------> Title: Copyright vs Community> Speaker: Richard Stallman> > Seminar Flyer: http://www.scms.waikato.ac.nz/docs/pdfs/Copyright_Lecture_DL_Flyer.pdf> > Abstract:> Copyright developed in the age of the printing press, and was designed> to fit with the system of centralized copying imposed by the printing> press. But the copyright system does not fit well with computer> networks, and only draconian punishments can enforce it.> > The global corporations that profit from copyright are lobbying for> draconian punishments, and to increase their copyright powers, while> suppressing public access to technology. But if we seriously hope to> serve the only legitimate purpose of copyright to promote progress,> for the benefit of the public then we must make changes in the other> direction.> > Biography:> Richard Stallman is a free software activist and programmer, the> founder of GNU Project, original author of the GNU/GPL, and Founder> and President of the Free Software Foundation. He has received> several awards and honorary doctorates for his work.> > -- > Marieke Boleyn> Academic Support Officer> Department of Computer Science> The University of Waikato> Phone: 07 838 4911> Website: www.cs.waikato.ac.nz> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:32:06 +1200> From: "James Pluck" <papabearnz(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [wlug] Fwd: Seminar: Richard Stallman - Copyright vs> Community> To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>> Message-ID:> <69dff2130808062132t30acecf0y3173995ef3e8fbb5(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > I've printed several of these out to pin up round the noticeboards at the> Hospital.> > J> > > On 8/7/08, Peter Reutemann <fracpete(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote:> >> > Hi there> >> > Below the official announcement of RMS' visit here at Waikato university.> >> > Note: Use the following link to search for block "L" (the seminar is> > taking place in room 01 on the ground floor):> > http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map/> >> > Cheers, Peter> >> > ---------------------------------------------------> > SEMINAR: Wednesday 20 August, 6 - 8pm in LG.01> > ----------------------------------------------------> > Title: Copyright vs Community> > Speaker: Richard Stallman> >> > Seminar Flyer:> > http://www.scms.waikato.ac.nz/docs/pdfs/Copyright_Lecture_DL_Flyer.pdf> >> > Abstract:> > Copyright developed in the age of the printing press, and was designed> > to fit with the system of centralized copying imposed by the printing> > press. But the copyright system does not fit well with computer> > networks, and only draconian punishments can enforce it.> >> > The global corporations that profit from copyright are lobbying for> > draconian punishments, and to increase their copyright powers, while> > suppressing public access to technology. But if we seriously hope to> > serve the only legitimate purpose of copyright to promote progress,> > for the benefit of the public then we must make changes in the other> > direction.> >> > Biography:> > Richard Stallman is a free software activist and programmer, the> > founder of GNU Project, original author of the GNU/GPL, and Founder> > and President of the Free Software Foundation. He has received> > several awards and honorary doctorates for his work.> >> > --> > Marieke Boleyn> > Academic Support Officer> > Department of Computer Science> > The University of Waikato> > Phone: 07 838 4911> > Website: www.cs.waikato.ac.nz> > _______________________________________________> > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug> >> > > > -- > James Pluck> PalmOS Ergo Sum> "Dear IRS: I would like to cancel my subscription.> Please remove my name from your mailing list..."> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20080807/60308c84/atta… > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:23:51 +1200> From: "Shannon Skinner" <shannonsnz(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [wlug] $250 Reward offered> To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>> Message-ID:> <d0b0f8450808070323h42122625hba6dbf3bfa9e5d51(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > This is just a stab in the dark here, but is that job for Fonterra?> > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Marcela Sierra C <ttmsierra(a)hotmail.com> wrote:> > Hi there> >> > Can you help me? I'm looking for someone with SQL, HTML & JavaScript> > experience - Perl & Informix exp & RedHat quals an advantage but totally> > negotiable - for a great job in Hamilton. It's exclusively mine and I'd> > love to find the right person in Hamilton rather than going after candidates> > in Auckland or overseas. 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$250 Reward offered
by Marcela Sierra C 07 Aug '08

07 Aug '08

Hi there Can you help me? I'm looking for someone with SQL, HTML & JavaScript experience - Perl & Informix exp & RedHat quals an advantage but totally negotiable - for a great job in Hamilton. It's exclusively mine and I'd love to find the right person in Hamilton rather than going after candidates in Auckland or overseas. Do you know anyone you could refer to me? There is a $250 reward for the person who refers the successful candidate. Please take a look at my ad for more info: http://it.seek.co.nz/users/apply/index.ascx?Sequence=54&PageNumber=1&JobID=… Thanks for your time :) Marcela _________________________________________________________________ Get inspired - dream, research, plan and book your next holiday online with MSN NZ Travel http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Ftravel%2Emsn%2Eco%2Enz&_t=7…

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Fwd: Seminar: Richard Stallman - Copyright vs Community
by Peter Reutemann 07 Aug '08

07 Aug '08

Hi there Below the official announcement of RMS' visit here at Waikato university. Note: Use the following link to search for block "L" (the seminar is taking place in room 01 on the ground floor): http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map/ Cheers, Peter --------------------------------------------------- SEMINAR: Wednesday 20 August, 6 - 8pm in LG.01 ---------------------------------------------------- Title: Copyright vs Community Speaker: Richard Stallman Seminar Flyer: http://www.scms.waikato.ac.nz/docs/pdfs/Copyright_Lecture_DL_Flyer.pdf Abstract: Copyright developed in the age of the printing press, and was designed to fit with the system of centralized copying imposed by the printing press. But the copyright system does not fit well with computer networks, and only draconian punishments can enforce it. The global corporations that profit from copyright are lobbying for draconian punishments, and to increase their copyright powers, while suppressing public access to technology. But if we seriously hope to serve the only legitimate purpose of copyright to promote progress, for the benefit of the public then we must make changes in the other direction. Biography: Richard Stallman is a free software activist and programmer, the founder of GNU Project, original author of the GNU/GPL, and Founder and President of the Free Software Foundation. He has received several awards and honorary doctorates for his work. -- Marieke Boleyn Academic Support Officer Department of Computer Science The University of Waikato Phone: 07 838 4911 Website: www.cs.waikato.ac.nz

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OpenOffice 2.4 review
by Ian McDonald 05 Aug '08

05 Aug '08

http://www.zdnet.com.au/reviews/software/applications/soa/OpenOffice-org-2-… After last time commenting on OO I will refrain from it this time... -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/ Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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RMS in the press.
by Bruce Kingsbury 05 Aug '08

05 Aug '08

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/0064FE274A08BA2CCC25749A00383CB3 Richard Stallman will be speaking at Waikato University, 6pm Aug 20th. No idea where yet, but I've been told Marieke is onto it so hopefully I'll know soon. Copyright vs Community in the Age of Computer Networks Copyright developed in the age of the printing press, and was designed to fit with the system of centralized copying imposed by the printing press. But the copyright system does not fit well with computer networks, and only draconian punishments can enforce it. The global corporations that profit from copyright are lobbying for draconian punishments, and to increase their copyright powers, while suppressing public access to technology. But if we seriously hope to serve the only legitimate purpose of copyright -- to promote progress, for the benefit of the public -- then we must make changes in the other direction.

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