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Thank you
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

Hey Daniel Thanks for the great advise on ic/ppp settings. I had my old win 98 machine that I do my maths work on and it had a modem, so i thought id give it a bash with your instructions in your emails. I had to consult a website http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics98, turns out that I had to install netBEUI and install ICS from the win 98 add new programs menu, but once that was done, my linux acer and my linux dell both had good connections. I had to remove the static IP address in my Vista machines network card settings, but once i had, it connected too. So thank you for all your help, and to the other members of WLUG who helped me out. Now I have to find an old PCMCIA network card for my old Dell 133 Laptop, or a serial network connection if there is such a thing Cheers all Glenn.

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Re: [wlug] Administrative tasks crippled?
by GJB 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

It could be something to do with setting the software repositories correctly before starting these managers up. I think there should be something called "Sources" or similar on the system menu. It may need these set right before first starting. Maybe just starting is sufficient to get some basic settings and repositories but needs to be restarted before they become effective. Just a theory. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [wlug] Administrative tasks crippled? > From: Chakat Sandwalker <sandwalker(a)gmail.com> > Date: Sun, November 09, 2008 8:32 pm > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > > > I've been using 8.10 since the second beta came out (I'd bought a new > laptop, and I didn't want to wait two weeks for the final version to be > released before I could install it), and it seems to be having some odd > issues. > > The first one is that Synaptic and related programs, such as the Update > Manager, stop responding when being started for the first time -- > Synaptic will load, but then stop responding before it can load the list > of packages. I have to force it to quit (either by clicking its Close > button, or killing the process). Starting Synaptic again will then > proceed normally. When the Update Manager is used, and 'Install' is > clicked, the download progress dialog is displayed, but is blank and > appears to have stopped responding. Again, clicking its Close button or > killing the process and trying again works. This hasn't happened on the > other computer I installed 8.10 on -- in fact, the other computer > started with Alpha 4. It's just my laptop having issues. > > The second oddity I have is that the first time I click on the Bookmarks > menu in Firefox on my laptop, it always brings up the 'save bookmark' > dialog. It's getting to be quite a nuisance. > > When headphones are plugged into the headphone jack, the main speakers > aren't muted -- both them and the headphones play sound. I'm not sure > if this is a quirk of my hardware or not. Perhaps I'll come to the next > workshop to have it looked at. > > And now my wireless isn't working -- it was when I installed 8.10 (after > I blacklisted the ath_pci driver to force it to use the ath5k driver), > but now it won't even show up as an interface. > > If anyone has any clues about these, I'd appreciate some help, otherwise > I'll wait for the next workshop. > > Sandy > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Ubuntu failing to install/work
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

Hi All, Have tried to install Ubuntu 8.10 desktop 386 with a number of different c/d's First a rc then two final desktops including trying the live versions also an alternate install. They all have a common problem, booting to the welcome/login then crashing to a black or plain light brown blank screen The install appears to slow down as it progresses, this is particularly true of the alternate, the last few files take a long time to config/install. I thought that it may be a memory problem and increased the ram to 700+ however that made no difference at all. Someone suggested that my psu may be faulty but I have installed puppy linux in two or three times without a problem. Knoppix live works just fine Any help would be appreciated. Regards John

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Re: [wlug] pppoe
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

Hi Daniel Here is the output that you requested: glenn(a)acer:/sbin$ sudo ./ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1c:25:e5:71:ee inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::21c:25ff:fee5:71ee/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:2 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:39 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:498 (498.0 B) TX bytes:4301 (4.2 KB) Interrupt:17 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:1476 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1476 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:74240 (72.5 KB) TX bytes:74240 (72.5 KB) glenn(a)acer:/sbin$ glenn(a)acer:/sbin$ sudo route -n [sudo] password for glenn: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth0 glenn(a)acer:/sbin$ glenn(a)acer:/sbin$ ping 219.88.251.16 connect: Network is unreachable glenn(a)acer:/sbin$ glenn(a)acer:/sbin$ ping 192.168.0.2 PING 192.168.0.2 (192.168.0.2) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.0.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=7.31 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=0.412 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.2: icmp_seq=3 ttl=128 time=0.402 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.2: icmp_seq=4 ttl=128 time=0.384 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.2: icmp_seq=5 ttl=128 time=0.746 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.2: icmp_seq=6 ttl=128 time=0.369 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.2: icmp_seq=7 ttl=128 time=0.397 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.2: icmp_seq=8 ttl=128 time=0.598 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.2: icmp_seq=9 ttl=128 time=0.354 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.2: icmp_seq=10 ttl=128 time=0.402 ms --- 192.168.0.2 ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9001ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.354/1.137/7.310/2.061 ms glenn(a)acer:/sbin$ ping 192.168.0.3 PING 192.168.0.3 (192.168.0.3) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=6.25 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.306 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.295 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.272 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.267 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=0.260 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=0.260 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=8 ttl=64 time=0.258 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=9 ttl=64 time=0.302 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=10 ttl=64 time=0.262 ms --- 192.168.0.3 ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9001ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.258/0.873/6.250/1.792 ms glenn(a)acer:/sbin$ ping 192.168.0.4 PING 192.168.0.4 (192.168.0.4) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.0.4: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=6.26 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.4: icmp_seq=2 ttl=128 time=0.383 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.4: icmp_seq=3 ttl=128 time=0.367 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.4: icmp_seq=4 ttl=128 time=0.366 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.4: icmp_seq=5 ttl=128 time=0.374 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.4: icmp_seq=6 ttl=128 time=0.385 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.4: icmp_seq=7 ttl=128 time=0.400 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.4: icmp_seq=8 ttl=128 time=0.375 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.4: icmp_seq=9 ttl=128 time=0.372 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.4: icmp_seq=10 ttl=128 time=0.393 ms --- 192.168.0.4 ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9001ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.366/0.967/6.262/1.765 ms glenn(a)acer:/sbin$ Here is the output from ipconfig on my Windows Vista Laptop....... Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001] Copyright <c> 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Users\Glenn\ipconfig Windows IP Configuration PPP adaptor Kiwi Online Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : IPv4 Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 202.150.120.140 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 Wireless LAN adaptor Wireless Network Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Ethernet adaptor Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . . . : fe80::2143:794a:d1cb:f50d%8 IPv4 Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .: 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . . . . : Tunnel adaptor Local Area Connection* 9: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Tunnel adaptor Local Area Connection* 10: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Tunnel adaptor Local Area Connection* 11: ntyMedia State . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Tunnel adaptor Local Area Connection* 12: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Tunnel adaptor Local Area Connection* 13: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : IPv4 Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 2002:ca96:788c:ca96:788c Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . . . . : 2002:c058:6301::c58:6301 C:\Users\Glenn> Thanks for the help. How do I go about installing Samba on my Ubuntu machine? (what commands do I need to type in?) Glenn.

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Re: [wlug] Ubuntu failing to install/work
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

Hmmn! Linux mint installed without error though it did report the partition made by the Ubuntu install was corrupt. I wonder if this is a random bug??? John

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Re: [wlug] Ubuntu failing to install/work
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

Hi Again I managed to get Ibex to install and run on an old amd duron with no real problems so maybe this latest Ubuntu IS a bit of a lottery with older machines. I will try to install Linux mint on the other machine just to see what happens... John -

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Re: [wlug] Ubuntu failing to install/work
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

sadly the bios memory setting is maxed out on my machine so am unable to alter memory allocation. John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > The only thing I can think of is that there isn't enough > video memory, or the video card is too old; I had similar > problems when trying to install an earlier version of > Ubuntu on a machine with a 32MB Riva TNT card -- it would > get as far as starting to load the GDM, then crash to > black/brown. > > Sandy > > jaytee(a)clear.net.nz wrote: > > Hi All, > > Have tried to install Ubuntu 8.10 desktop 386 with a > > number of different c/d's First a rc then two final > > desktops including trying the live versions also an > > alternate install. They all have a common problem, > > booting to the welcome/login then crashing to a black or > > plain light brown blank screen > > The install appears to slow down as it progresses, this > > is particularly true of the alternate, the last few > > files take a long time to config/install. > > I thought that it may be a memory problem and increased > > the ram to 700+ however that made no difference at all. > > Someone suggested that my psu may be faulty but I have > > installed puppy linux in two or three times without a > > problem. Knoppix live works just fine > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Regards John > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Ubuntu failing to install/work
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

OK I will go into the bios and push up the vid card memory and see if that helps John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > The only thing I can think of is that there isn't enough > video memory, or the video card is too old; I had similar > problems when trying to install an earlier version of > Ubuntu on a machine with a 32MB Riva TNT card -- it would > get as far as starting to load the GDM, then crash to > black/brown. > > Sandy > > jaytee(a)clear.net.nz wrote: > > Hi All, > > Have tried to install Ubuntu 8.10 desktop 386 with a > > number of different c/d's First a rc then two final > > desktops including trying the live versions also an > > alternate install. They all have a common problem, > > booting to the welcome/login then crashing to a black or > > plain light brown blank screen > > The install appears to slow down as it progresses, this > > is particularly true of the alternate, the last few > > files take a long time to config/install. > > I thought that it may be a memory problem and increased > > the ram to 700+ however that made no difference at all. > > Someone suggested that my psu may be faulty but I have > > installed puppy linux in two or three times without a > > problem. Knoppix live works just fine > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Regards John > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Ubuntu failing to install/work
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

the only working option is the cli john ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Hi All, > Have tried to install Ubuntu 8.10 desktop 386 with a > number of different c/d's First a rc then two final > desktops including trying the live versions also an > alternate install. They all have a common problem, booting > to the welcome/login then crashing to a black or plain > light brown blank screen > The install appears to slow down as it progresses, this is > particularly true of the alternate, the last few files > take a long time to config/install. > I thought that it may be a memory problem and increased > the ram to 700+ however that made no difference at all. > Someone suggested that my psu may be faulty but I have > installed puppy linux in two or three times without a > problem. Knoppix live works just fine > Any help would be appreciated. > Regards John > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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pppoe
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

Thanks Daniel Will have the output for you later this evening. Thanks all of you for your helpful advise. Glenn.

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pppoe
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

hey all I am trying to get my pppoe working on my desktop computer, everytime I unlock the network settings, and check the pppoe option, as fast as I select pppoe, it unchecks the box. here is the output from lspci relating to my ethernet controller: glenn(a)glenn ~$lspci 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8071 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 16) Now I can see my other computers but I cant access them, althought I can ping them. Why can't I set up pppoe? Any help appreciated. Glenn

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Re: [wlug] pppoe
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

Not sure if this is helpful or not but Clearnet had a recent network collapse resulting in PPP dropping out completely to a large number of users. No amount of resetting would fix the problem until I had spoken with Clearnet's IT people who fixed it from their end.... ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Hi Glenn, > > Please keep this onlist. I'm not the only person that can > help you, and other people can benefit from the answers as > well. > > > > sorry to be unspecific, what I mean by "I cant access > > them" if that I see the icons for the machines on my > > network, but when I click on those machines, no files or > > directories of the machines that I am trying to access > > appear, like what you would see if you had a properly > configured and set up network. > > > You'll need to enable shared folders on each machine > before you can see them. Follow the notes in my other > email on this. If you can ping the other machine's ip > address, it means your network is working. > > > Im using, or atleast trying to configure my pppoe to > > access the internet via my windows laptop, because the > > modem I have, according to the folks at linmodems.org, > > does not have 64bit support, and probably never will > > have, since the folks that manufacture my modem are not > willing to release thier source code so that linux > > developers can compile drivers needed for its operation. > > PPPoE won't help you with this. You need to enable > Internet connection sharing on the windows machine. You > can then connect to the internet from windows, and it will > share the connection to other computers on your network - > eg, your linux box. Your linux system will then connect > *over the ethernet network*, through your windows > computer. No PPPoE is involved. > > http://www.networkclue.com/os/Windows/winxp/ics.aspx > > > > > > As you will recall, I have a usb modem, which also > > doesnt have driver support, and is thus unavailable to > > use under linux. Also, with my Acer being only a couple > > of months old, it does not have a serial port that I may > > try connecting a serial modem to, so that option is also > unavailable to me. > > You can get USB serial adapters which will let you do > this. > > > > In general, most of these problems stop surfacing now > because very few people still have dialup internet. Most > people have DSL these days, and while a lot of the free > DSL routers you get with your connection are USB based, > it's very easy to purchase a full ethernet router which > will do the job. You used to be able to get dialup routers > which did the same thing (plug a serial modem into them, > they connect to the internet, and share the connection to > your PCs), but I doubt this is a feasible option. > > I'm sorry that we can't be more help remotely. It's hard > enough troubleshooting this stuff via email, but it's also > been years since I did anything involving getting > winmodems to work. > > > If you want to try ICS stuff again, can you please > > * verify that you've set ICS up, sharing the modem with > your LAN, under windows > * run "ipconfig" in a command shell in windows and check > that you have IP addresses allocated - should look like > 192.168.X.Y or 10.X.Y.Z where X Y Z might be anything. > Send me the output from this command > > * run "/sbin/ifconfig " in a terminal in linux and check > that your network interface (probably eth0) has an IP > address that looks very similar to the windows one. Send > me the output from this command. > > * run "/sbin/route -n" in a terminal in linux, and verify > that the line that starts with "0.0.0.0" has your windows > IP address in the second column. Send me the output from > this as well. > > * If the above two tests aren't true, verify that your > network in linux is set to dynamic or automatically assign > or roaming mode (all different names for the same thing, > not sure what you'll see). > > * If the IP address you got above for linux started with > 169, it means that either ICS isn't set up properly, or > your computers aren't connected properly. You've said you > can ping the other computer, so i assume this is probably > OK > > * assuming the "route" test above is correct, you can ping > the windows laptop, and the windows laptop is connected to > the internet, try to ping a computer on the internet. For > example, open a terminal, and run "ping 219.88.251.16". If > that works, you're on the internet just fine. > > * If the above works fine, and you still can't browse the > internet from, say, firefox, then your DNS settings are > probably wrong. Try going to a website by using its IP > address. For example, the WLUG wiki is at 60.234.66.116. > Load up firefox, and go to http://60.234.66.116/. > > * If the above works, then you need to fix your DNS > settings. We'll sort that when we get to it > > * If it doesn't work, then we need to look at other things > still. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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pppoe
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 08 Nov '08

08 Nov '08

Hey Daniel, sorry to be unspecific, what I mean by "I cant access them" if that I see the icons for the machines on my network, but when I click on those machines, no files or directories of the machines that I am trying to access appear, like what you would see if you had a properly configured and set up network. Im using, or atleast trying to configure my pppoe to access the internet via my windows laptop, because the modem I have, according to the folks at linmodems.org, does not have 64bit support, and probably never will have, since the folks that manufacture my modem are not willing to release thier source code so that linux developers can compile drivers needed for its operation. As you will recall, I have a usb modem, which also doesnt have driver support, and is thus unavailable to use under linux. Also, with my Acer being only a couple of months old, it does not have a serial port that I may try connecting a serial modem to, so that option is also unavailable to me. I will install Samba on my Acer Linux desktop, and have already enabled sharing on my folders on my Windows Vista laptop, however, the problem that I have is that under Heron, I cannot get my pppoe settings to 'stick' as it were, as soon as I click on them, they deselect themselves and uncheck the pppoe box. This is what I am trying to investigate the cause of. This is all very frustrating but I am not going to give up because I believe in the principles behind Linux and the open source software community, I just have to do a heck of a lot of learning FAST. Cheers Glenn.

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crossover weirdness in suse ?
by Bruce Kingsbury 02 Nov '08

02 Nov '08

Trying to help Ditar here with installing crossover, it seems to be trying to use a font that opensuse doesn't have installed? screenshot attached Any suggestions? -- This email is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must burn your computer, while standing on one foot and chanting the entire jabberwocky. The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of the person who expressed them.

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Help wanted - music video clip or animation
by Liz Quilty 01 Nov '08

01 Nov '08

I made a silly parody song about geeks/computers/etc . Im so-so at singing, slightly worse at editing that with music. I made a parody song however which some people have said is funny and i should have some sort of 'video clip' to go with it on youtube. I dont suppose anyone here is into video editing at all and are bored enough to make something cool up? Liz Q

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Re: [wlug] WLUG Fixit Meeting is today!
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 01 Nov '08

01 Nov '08

This Question remained unanswered at our meeting. Google gave this result however I do not have that line in my "about:config" so I am unsure if it works or not: This does not clear my browsing history in Firefox 3.0??? Posted by: Jon at August 31, 2008 6:19 AM Its true. Clearing private data in Firefox 3 won't clear the history in the URL bar. To do this, do the following: If you don't want RichResults keep track of where you went, in Firefox you need to enter about:config and then scroll down to: browser.urlbar.maxRichResults and change the default. The default setting is 12 and if you want nothing, you enter 0. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ Saturday November 1st, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm > > We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau > PÅ«tahi > (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi > /?place/full_map), the community church at the end of > Oxford Street. > > > We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, > Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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WLUG Fixit Meeting is today!
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Oct '08

31 Oct '08

A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday November 1st, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi/?place/full_map) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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dead horse flogging
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

I tried to get my Asus laptop (Vista) to talk to my Acer (Linux Ubuntu 8.04) but no joy. I can ping 192.168.0.1, which is the Asus's network address, but cant see a network connection in the places>network folder. I've tried both DHCP and Roaming. I had a look on the back of my Acer, and it hasnt got a serial port, nor a parallel port. My arm is getting sore from all this dead horse flogging. Glenn.

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dead horse
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

Hey all Thanks for all the good advise. You are all right, I am flogging a dead horse trying to get this internal PCI Modem working in my machine with 64Bit architecture. Could i instead of trying to get Ubuntu to talk with my pci modem, try and establish an internet connection through my Windows Vista Laptop via. my ethernet card and a 100Mb switch? The switch shows there is a connection between the two machines, as yet I have not configured a network as I don't know how. By and by, does anyone want my PCI modem? It works fine with Vista, and I'll give it away, heck, Ill even post it to you for free just to get rid of the thing.... Glenn.

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 208, Issue 15
by Ronnie Collinson 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

>I don't think linux has the advantage when It comes to complete novices >like me. I think Windows, with all its faults, still is easier to set up >and run out of the box than Linux. I think it has a way to go before it >is serious competition with windows for anyone other than advanced >computer users. The learning curve is very steep. Its such a shame >because Linux seems so attractive. >Glenn. I thin you will find that once you start using linux, that you will pick up the basics quicker then you think, but unfortunately without net access its a major pain, unfortunately more and more pcs are coming without serial ports any more (I bought a USB > Serial adapter of trademe the other day for $10 inc postage). Fortunately ethernet is plug and play, and wireless is getting pretty good. I doubt "win-modem support will ever get better as fewer and fewer people are using it. On 10/30/08, wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz <wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: slamr architecture error (GJB) > 2. Re: slamr architecture error (Glenn Stuart Morrissey) > 3. Re: slamr architecture error (Roger Searle) > 4. Re: slamr architecture error (Daniel Lawson) > 5. Re: slamr architecture error (Bruce Kingsbury) > 6. Re: slamr architecture error (Chris O'Halloran) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:46:14 -0700 > From: "GJB" <balle(a)auspira.com> > Subject: Re: [wlug] slamr architecture error > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: > <20081029024614.82ec331de94f1c4494241ee0c8bc5dda.51721241e1.wbe(a)email.secu…> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > I think slamr is a dodgy package ... I've gotten the same errors on > Tosh. A-106 laptop running Xubuntu. It's got its knickers in a twist > trying to work with some level stuff Windows uses for the software > modem. > > Thank the lord I don't need to use my modem very much anymore, I can't > believe such a simple device evades a software fix ... but hey, you get > what you pay for! > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [wlug] slamr architecture error >> From: Glenn Stuart Morrissey <gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz> >> Date: Wed, October 29, 2008 10:10 pm >> To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >> >> >> After downloading and unzipping slamr 2.6.24-19, I ran setup and copied >> down the output of the setup.sh. >> >> >> glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop$ cd slamr-2.6.24-19-generic >> glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop/slamr-2.6.24-19-generic$ sudo ./setup >> installing drivers for kernel version 2.6.24-19-generic >> driver=slamr >> >> Installing the Debian packages supporting autoloading >> *dpkg: error processing >> sl-modem-daemon_2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2-5ubuntu4_i386.deb (--install): >> package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)* >> Errors were encountered while processing: >> sl-modem-daemon_2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2-5ubuntu4_i386.deb >> >> Copying over newer files >> Making folder /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra >> Copying drivers to /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra >> Checking driver install >> slamr.ko slusb.ko ungrab-winmodem.ko >> Copying newer slmodemd to /usr/sbin/ >> Checking slmodemd version. Should be 2.9.11 >> ./setup: 51: slmodemd: not found >> Finished installs. >> Informing the System >> >> Starting function tests, loading drivers: >> FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem >> (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): Invalid >> module format >> FATAL: Error inserting slamr >> (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra/slamr.ko): Invalid module format >> Running diagnostic: >> >> >> ports should be created by: >> slmodemd -c USA /dev/slamr0 >> ./setup: 70: /usr/sbin/slmodemd: not found >> Checking for success >> Port creation with slmodemd failed. >> Read the Slamr.txt record, other *.txt files and the sample wvdial.conf . >> >> glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop/slamr-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >> Looks like im going to have to wait for someone with a AMD64 system to >> compile slamr, so it can run on my hardware. I don't think changing the >> modem will achieve anything since the modem driver itself is written for >> 32 bit systems. >> >> Glenn.<hr>_______________________________________________ >> wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >> Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:00:44 +1300 > From: Glenn Stuart Morrissey <gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] slamr architecture error > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <4908344C.1060102(a)kol.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I don't think linux has the advantage when It comes to complete novices > like me. I think Windows, with all its faults, still is easier to set up > and run out of the box than Linux. I think it has a way to go before it > is serious competition with windows for anyone other than advanced > computer users. The learning curve is very steep. Its such a shame > because Linux seems so attractive. > > Glenn. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:11:34 +1300 > From: Roger Searle <woja(a)paradise.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] slamr architecture error > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <49089946.6000006(a)paradise.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Glenn I think you're right to a certain extent and I have been where you > are. It is a steep learning curve but you don't need to move up it > particularly quickly. Part of the difficulty you have is that you > need/want to get a modem going as this can prove to be difficult - or > impossible - even for the gurus depending on the specific hardware. > Being on DSL or cable certainly makes things simpler, it will probably > "just work". I spent some years continually frustrated by one thing or > another, feeling incredibly stupid at times since so many little things > would baffle me, and I have a background of some years successfully > doing nearly any windows-based setup and networking I desired. However > when I look back at my early windows days, there was pain there too! > > I hung in there despite the setbacks, asked questions on linux lists, > googled, and didn't give up. Distros improved but so did my > understanding of linux administration. My path has taken me through > various distros as I've learnt, and my experience these days is that > nearly everything works out of the box (I'm generally talking kubuntu). > However there will be something that does/will not and I live with that > and look to the next release. Where something different will cause me > grief. But I hang in there, I'm looking forward to Intrepid Ibex's > release tomorrow or the next day and will give it a spin, perhaps this > will be the one where everything "just works" . . . > > Regards > Roger > > > Glenn Stuart Morrissey wrote: >> I don't think linux has the advantage when It comes to complete novices >> like me. I think Windows, with all its faults, still is easier to set up >> and run out of the box than Linux. I think it has a way to go before it >> is serious competition with windows for anyone other than advanced >> computer users. The learning curve is very steep. Its such a shame >> because Linux seems so attractive. >> >> Glenn. >> _______________________________________________ >> wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >> Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:13:41 +1300 > From: Daniel Lawson <daniel(a)meta.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] slamr architecture error > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <4908A7D5.9050700(a)meta.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >> I don't think linux has the advantage when It comes to complete novices >> like me. I think Windows, with all its faults, still is easier to set up >> and run out of the box than Linux. I think it has a way to go before it >> is serious competition with windows for anyone other than advanced >> computer users. The learning curve is very steep. Its such a shame >> because Linux seems so attractive. > > There's a large element of luck in it too, if you aren't already > familiar with linux. By that I mean that if you aren't planning on > buying hardware that is specifically compatible with linux, it's all > down to luck as to how well things will work or not :P > > Your problem in particular is made harder for me (and most others with > plenty of experience) to diagnose because, for the most part, we stopped > using dialup a long time ago. Linux support for the so-called winmodems > is far better than it used to be (they never used to work, and now, in > general, they do). > > I can probably dig up a *real* external serial modem for you to borrow > (or buy, if you like). No drivers needed. I see you're from New > Plymouth, so suggesting you come to the Saturday workshop probably > doesn't help a lot. > > Just a question though - you're managing to download files (and send > email)somehow, what computer and connection are you using for that? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:54:04 +1300 > From: "Bruce Kingsbury" <zcat(a)zcat.geek.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] slamr architecture error > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: > <54e2f3c80810291154i1d3be6c2t6f88515843bcaa21(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2008/10/29 Glenn Stuart Morrissey <gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz> > >> I don't think linux has the advantage when It comes to complete novices >> like me. I think Windows, with all its faults, still is easier to set up >> and run out of the box than Linux. I think it has a way to go before it >> is serious competition with windows for anyone other than advanced >> computer users. The learning curve is very steep. Its such a shame >> because Linux seems so attractive. >> > > Windows has the advantage of being a monopoly, manufacturers have to write > Windows drivers or nobody will buy their hardware. Linux is starting to get > much better support in this area and you'll find where manufacturers have > fully embraced the 'open source' way of doing things, getting the hardware > to work requires nothing more than plugging it in. But unfortunately some > hardware still has little or no support in Linux. > > Two suggestions; > > External serial modems are cheap, about $15-$20 on Trademe. And people > keep giving me free ones which I give away so I can avoid solving problems > like this. Let me know if you'd like one. Serial modems 'just work' in any > mainstream Linux distro. > > If you're going to be compiling drivers or trying to run windows drivers > in some form of emulation wrapper, you'll find things are much more likely > to work in 32-bit linux. Getting winmodems to work is always difficult, > getting driver wrapper-glue and 32-bit binary blobs to build in 64-bit Linux > is much more difficult. >

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Re: [wlug] slamr architecture error
by GJB 29 Oct '08

29 Oct '08

I think slamr is a dodgy package ... I've gotten the same errors on Tosh. A-106 laptop running Xubuntu. It's got its knickers in a twist trying to work with some level stuff Windows uses for the software modem. Thank the lord I don't need to use my modem very much anymore, I can't believe such a simple device evades a software fix ... but hey, you get what you pay for! > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [wlug] slamr architecture error > From: Glenn Stuart Morrissey <gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz> > Date: Wed, October 29, 2008 10:10 pm > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > > > After downloading and unzipping slamr 2.6.24-19, I ran setup and copied > down the output of the setup.sh. > > > glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop$ cd slamr-2.6.24-19-generic > glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop/slamr-2.6.24-19-generic$ sudo ./setup > installing drivers for kernel version 2.6.24-19-generic > driver=slamr > > Installing the Debian packages supporting autoloading > *dpkg: error processing > sl-modem-daemon_2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2-5ubuntu4_i386.deb (--install): > package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)* > Errors were encountered while processing: > sl-modem-daemon_2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2-5ubuntu4_i386.deb > > Copying over newer files > Making folder /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra > Copying drivers to /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra > Checking driver install > slamr.ko slusb.ko ungrab-winmodem.ko > Copying newer slmodemd to /usr/sbin/ > Checking slmodemd version. Should be 2.9.11 > ./setup: 51: slmodemd: not found > Finished installs. > Informing the System > > Starting function tests, loading drivers: > FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem > (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): Invalid > module format > FATAL: Error inserting slamr > (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra/slamr.ko): Invalid module format > Running diagnostic: > > > ports should be created by: > slmodemd -c USA /dev/slamr0 > ./setup: 70: /usr/sbin/slmodemd: not found > Checking for success > Port creation with slmodemd failed. > Read the Slamr.txt record, other *.txt files and the sample wvdial.conf . > > glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop/slamr-2.6.24-19-generic$ > > Looks like im going to have to wait for someone with a AMD64 system to > compile slamr, so it can run on my hardware. I don't think changing the > modem will achieve anything since the modem driver itself is written for > 32 bit systems. > > Glenn.<hr>_______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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slamr architecture error
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 29 Oct '08

29 Oct '08

After downloading and unzipping slamr 2.6.24-19, I ran setup and copied down the output of the setup.sh. glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop$ cd slamr-2.6.24-19-generic glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop/slamr-2.6.24-19-generic$ sudo ./setup installing drivers for kernel version 2.6.24-19-generic driver=slamr Installing the Debian packages supporting autoloading *dpkg: error processing sl-modem-daemon_2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2-5ubuntu4_i386.deb (--install): package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)* Errors were encountered while processing: sl-modem-daemon_2.9.10+2.9.9d+e-pre2-5ubuntu4_i386.deb Copying over newer files Making folder /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra Copying drivers to /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra Checking driver install slamr.ko slusb.ko ungrab-winmodem.ko Copying newer slmodemd to /usr/sbin/ Checking slmodemd version. Should be 2.9.11 ./setup: 51: slmodemd: not found Finished installs. Informing the System Starting function tests, loading drivers: FATAL: Error inserting ungrab_winmodem (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra/ungrab-winmodem.ko): Invalid module format FATAL: Error inserting slamr (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra/slamr.ko): Invalid module format Running diagnostic: ports should be created by: slmodemd -c USA /dev/slamr0 ./setup: 70: /usr/sbin/slmodemd: not found Checking for success Port creation with slmodemd failed. Read the Slamr.txt record, other *.txt files and the sample wvdial.conf . glenn(a)glenn1:~/Desktop/slamr-2.6.24-19-generic$ Looks like im going to have to wait for someone with a AMD64 system to compile slamr, so it can run on my hardware. I don't think changing the modem will achieve anything since the modem driver itself is written for 32 bit systems. Glenn.

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Codeweavers giving away CrossOver
by Ian McDonald 29 Oct '08

29 Oct '08

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjgxNw -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/, http://www.jandi.co.nz Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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sudo apt-get install ls-modem-daemon sl-modem-source
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 27 Oct '08

27 Oct '08

Hi Daniel I followed your instructions as per your email: glenn(a)glenn1:~$ sudo apt-get install ls-modem-daemon sl-modem-source [sudo] password for glenn: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Couldn't find package ls-modem-daemon glenn(a)glenn1:~$ When I went to read the readme file: glenn(a)glenn1:~$ cd /usr/share/doc glenn(a)glenn1:/usr/share/doc$ gedit sl-modem-source/README.Debian glenn(a)glenn1:/usr/share/doc$ I just had an empty screen. I ls'd the /usr/share/doc directory and I couldn't find any listing for sl-modem. Am I right to assume that this is not installed, and if so, how can I install the package from my install cd? Glenn. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Glenn Stuart Morrissey 55 Poplar Grove Whalers Gate New Plymouth, 4310. New Zealand. 06 751 1293 021 022 402 01 gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz

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typo
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 26 Oct '08

26 Oct '08

i just realised i had a typo in the command (sudo apt-get install sl-modem-daemon sl-modem-source) but still got the same result Glenn. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Glenn Stuart Morrissey 55 Poplar Grove Whalers Gate New Plymouth, 4310. New Zealand. 06 751 1293 021 022 402 01 gmorrissey(a)kol.co.nz

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lspci output
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 26 Oct '08

26 Oct '08

Daniel Here is the output you requested glenn(a)glenn1:~$ lspci -nn -v -s 03:00.0 03:00.0 Multimedia video controller [0400]: Conexant Unknown device [14f1:8852] (rev 02) Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. Unknown device [0070:71d1] Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 Memory at fe600000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2M] Capabilities: <access denied> glenn(a)glenn1:~$ lspci -nn -v -s 06:06.0 06:06.0 Modem [0703]: Motorola SM56 Data Fax Modem [1057:3052] (rev 04) (prog-if 00 [Generic]) Subsystem: Motorola Unknown device [1057:3020] Flags: bus master, stepping, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 21 Memory at febff000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] I/O ports at e800 [size=256] Capabilities: <access denied> glenn(a)glenn1:~$

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finding the modem
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 26 Oct '08

26 Oct '08

Daniel, Here is the output that you requested: glenn(a)glenn1:~$lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 Host Bridge 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (int gfx) 00:02.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (ext gfx port 0) 00:04.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 0) 00:05.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 1) 00:06.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 2) 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [IDE mode] 00:12.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI0 Controller 00:12.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI1 Controller 00:12.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB EHCI Controller 00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI0 Controller 00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI1 Controller 00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB EHCI Controller 00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 SMBus Controller (rev 3a) 00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 IDE Controller 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia 00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 LPC host controller 00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge 00:14.5 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 USB OHCI2 Controller 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 10h [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron] HyperTransport Configuration 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 10h [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron] Address Map 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 10h [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron] DRAM Controller 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 10h [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron] Miscellaneous Control 00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Family 10h [Opteron, Athlon64, Sempron] Link Control 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3200 Graphics 01:05.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobilitiy Radeon HD 3450 02:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 Audio device [Radeon HD 34xx Series] 03:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Unknown device 8852 (rev 02) 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8071 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 16) 05:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): JMicron Technologies, Inc. Unknown device 2380 06:06.0 Modem: Motorola SM56 Data Fax Modem (rev 04) glenn(a)glenn1:~$ lsusb Bus 007 Device 003: ID 04b4:6830 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. USB-2.0 IDE Adapter Bus 007 Device 002: ID 05e3:0606 Genesys Logic, Inc. D-Link DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub Bus 007 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 006 Device 002: ID 0bda:0151 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Bus 006 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Bus 002 Device 002: ID 04f2:0618 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 glenn(a)glenn1:~$

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SpeedCom HP156M3
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 25 Oct '08

25 Oct '08

Hi All I got it wrong, just did some reading at Wikipedia and I have got a PCI modem and not a serial modem..apologies. I have a SpeedCom HP156M3 Internal PCI 2 Wire ISDN Modem. I did a google search but couldnt find any drivers for Linux. Does anyone know where I might find some, or is the modem just a winmodem and thats all? Glenn Morrissey.

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Re: [wlug] Is anyone able to help me configure a USB modem in Ubuntu
by gmorrissey＠kol.co.nz 23 Oct '08

23 Oct '08

hey all thanks for all the great information. I had a serial modem that came installed in the machine when I bought it a couple of months ago. Its a brand new computer and I couldnt get scanmodem to detect it, thats why I tried to install a USB modem instead. I can supply output of the scanmodem program if required. Thanks all Glenn.

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Is anyone able to help me configure a USB modem in Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heon
by Glenn Stuart Morrissey 22 Oct '08

22 Oct '08

Hi there all Is anyone here able to help me configure a Lucent external usb modem? I know that Heron detects that there is a device, because when I run lsusb: lsusb Bus 001 Device 011: ID 047e:2892 Agere Systems, Inc (Lucent) and I have tried to run modprobe: sudo modprobe usbserial vendor=0x47e product=0x2892 but nothing appears to be happening??? I dont have a device manager installed, like I do on my Ubuntu 7.04 release, although I have downloaded the gnome device manager (gnome-device-manager-0.1) I wouldnt have a clue on how to install the package, remembering that I dont have internet access on this machine makes it a real pain, because there are drivers that I need for the display that I dont have. My querry on this matter is on the Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5987714#post5987714 Please bear in mind that I am a complete novice with Linux and Ubuntu, but really REALLY want to get a working knowledge of it. Thank you Glenn Morrissey

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Fwd: Nine Attitude Problems in Free and Open Source Software (Datamation)
by Ian McDonald 21 Oct '08

21 Oct '08

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: imcdnzl <ian.mcdonald(a)jandi.co.nz> Date: Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:34 PM Subject: Nine Attitude Problems in Free and Open Source Software (Datamation) To: ian.mcdonald(a)jandi.co.nz Sent to you by imcdnzl via Google Reader: Nine Attitude Problems in Free and Open Source Software (Datamation)<http://lwn.net/Articles/303929/rss> via LWN.net <http://lwn.net> by corbet on 10/20/08 Here's your sermon for the day: Datamation lists a set of perceived "attitude problems"<http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3778096/Nine+Attitude+Pro…>found in the free software community. "Especially in large projects, documenters, testers, artists, marketers and managers -- to say nothing of general end users -- have all become essential contributors. Increasingly, a FOSS software release is becoming a collaboration among people of different skill sets. Yet, despite this change, in many projects, non-developers are given second class treatment. In a large number of cases, they cannot become full members of the project, and are not allowed to vote." Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to LWN.net<http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Flwn.net%2Fheadlines%2…>using *Google Reader* - Get started using Google Reader<http://www.google.com/reader/?source=email>to easily keep up with *all your favorite sites* -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/, http://www.jandi.co.nz Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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[OT] Windows CD needed
by Bryce Utting 21 Oct '08

21 Oct '08

Hi all, Sorry (especially!) about the subject -- downgrading a flatmate's PC to XP, with, unfortunately, a duff-copy CD. Is anyone able to help out with a good one? (yep, the license and key are good.) ta, Bryce

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The dying embers of Microsoft's IP claims against open source
by Ian McDonald 20 Oct '08

20 Oct '08

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10070008-16.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2… By the way - how did the AGM go last night? Who got elected and who didn't? And how about the special motion? -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/, http://www.jandi.co.nz Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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The dying embers of Microsoft's IP claims against open source
by mikencolleen 20 Oct '08

20 Oct '08

Testing! I just want to see what happens when you email the story from Google's RSS reader. Michael Sent to you by mikencolleen via Google Reader: The dying embers of Microsoft's IP claims against open source via CNET News.com on 10/20/08 Redmond continues to fan the flames of its IP claims against open source, but it sounds less inclined to defend them vigorously now that it's an active consumer of open source. Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to CNET News.com using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 19 Oct '08

19 Oct '08

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:15pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) WLUG SGM A Special General Meeting will be held to vote on the following motion: "That the WLUG charter be amended to allow former paid members of the WLUG, whose membership has lapsed, to vote at an AGM of the WLUG with the proviso that they pay a new subscription at or before the AGM." ---- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) WLUG AGM A week earlier than usual meeting time due to public holiday Agenda for AGM MC - JamesPluck (Treasurer) * President's Address * Treasurer's Report * Election of the new committee ** Nominees: ** President - JamesPluck, BruceKingsbury ** Vice President - ** Secretary - ** Treasurer - ** General Positions (3 needed) - BryceUtting, JohnBillings, RoderickAldridge, LizQuilty ======= * General Business flyer (http://nimhq.net/agm.pdf )

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 16 Oct '08

16 Oct '08

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:15pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) WLUG SGM A Special General Meeting will be held to vote on the following motion: "That the WLUG charter be amended to allow former paid members of the WLUG, whose membership has lapsed, to vote at an AGM of the WLUG with the proviso that they pay a new subscription at or before the AGM." ---- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) WLUG AGM A week earlier than usual meeting time due to public holiday Agenda for AGM MC - JamesPluck (Treasurer) * President's Address * Treasurer's Report * Election of the new committee ** Nominees: ** President - JamesPluck, BruceKingsbury ** Vice President - ** Secretary - ** Treasurer - ** General Positions (3 needed) - BryceUtting, JohnBillings, RoderickAldridge, LizQuilty ======= * General Business flyer (http://nimhq.net/agm.pdf )

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Fwd: Linux takes a seat on Qantas' new superjumbo
by Ian McDonald 14 Oct '08

14 Oct '08

Experienced this system on multiple different Singapore Airline flights recently. Generally fairly good but multiple machines needing rebooting - seemed to be the proprietary system locking up rather than Linux as you could see the Linux kernel booting just fine! Systems were very slow on older planes 747/777 but faster on A380 but still some parts had badly written software as some parts were fast and some parts were slow (30 second wait after pressing a key). A380 has full OpenOffice installed and a USB socket so you can work on documents on your USB key. Tested it and it certainly worked fine! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: imcdnzl <ian.mcdonald(a)jandi.co.nz> Date: Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:43 AM Subject: Linux takes a seat on Qantas' new superjumbo To: ian.mcdonald(a)jandi.co.nz Sent to you by imcdnzl via Google Reader: Linux takes a seat on Qantas' new superjumbo<http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/C1160957CBF12890CC2574E200690BDA> via Computerworld <http://computerworld.co.nz/> on 10/14/08 Flight entertainment systems powered by Linux Things you can do from here: - Subscribe to Computerworld<http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.idg.net.nz%2Frss%…>using *Google Reader* - Get started using Google Reader<http://www.google.com/reader/?source=email>to easily keep up with *all your favorite sites* -- Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4/, http://www.jandi.co.nz Blog: http://iansblog.jandi.co.nz

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Connect Technology Showcase 2008
by David Hallett 13 Oct '08

13 Oct '08

FYI. This event should be of interest to some of you... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Simeon Price <simeonp(a)connectnz.co.nz> Date: Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:29 PM Subject: Connect NZ - Technology Showcase Invitation Greetings, Please take the time to read the invitation below about our Technology Showcase we are running in October. There will be 1 hour talks running throughout the day and our key suppliers with their technology on show for you to see and learn about. Register now via the our website, http://www.connectnz.co.nz/WhatsHot_Hamilton_Form.asp Connect Technology Showcase 2008 Come along to our technology showcase and see the latest technology solutions, talk to the experts about Voice, Document, IT and Audio Visual equipment, and meet our knowledgeable staff. Dates: Wednesday - 22nd October 8am to 7pm Thursday - 23rd October 8am to 5pm Where: Glenview International Hotel & Conference Centre, 254 Ohaupo Road, Glenview, Hamilton RSVP: To register please visit our web site, http://www.connectnz.co.nz Or phone us on: 07 838 3022 The WOW Factor! On display are the latest and greatest products and solutions from the world leaders in business technology. Follow the link on our homepage to secure a spot in any of the following 1 hour power sessions! Register Today and be In To Win! Register online and be in the draw to win an LCD monitor plus other great prizes! TALK: We will discuss VOIP Technology into the future, Teleworking for remote workers, presence and cellular integration. Wed - 8.00 am, Thurs - 10.30 am SEE: Audio visual solutions, video conferencing technology, data projectors and plasmas to suit all business requirements. Boardroom management and control. Wed - 1.00 pm, Thurs - 8.00 am THINK: Our Think workshop will cover IT topics such as virtualisation VM ware, Microsoft Server 2008 and more. Wed - 10.30 am, Thurs - 1.00 pm SHARE: This will be specifically aimed at those in the education sector. We will cover the full range of technology: Voice, document, IT, and smart boards. A certified smart board trainer will provide an update on the latest software tools Wed - 4.00 pm only Enjoy tea and coffee as well as a bite to eat, while viewing all the technology we have on display. Don't miss your opportunity to meet the experts, see the technology in action, gain the skills and technical information you need to set your business apart from the rest. See you soon! Simeon Price | Regional Manager | Connect NZ Limited Ph: 07 838 3022 | DDI: 07 838 8135| Cell: 0274 848 189| Fax: 07 838 3020 Web: www.connectnz.co.nz

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 12 Oct '08

12 Oct '08

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7:15pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) WLUG SGM A Special General Meeting will be held to vote on the following motion: "That the WLUG charter be amended to allow former paid members of the WLUG, whose membership has lapsed, to vote at an AGM of the WLUG with the proviso that they pay a new subscription at or before the AGM." ---- 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4) WLUG AGM A week earlier than usual meeting time due to public holiday Agenda for AGM MC - JamesPluck (Treasurer) * President's Address * Treasurer's Report * Election of the new committee ** Nominees: ** President - JamesPluck ** Vice President - ** Secretary - ** Treasurer - <<<<<<< Your version ** General Positions (3 needed) - BryceUtting, JohnBillings, RoderickAldridge ======= >>>>>>> Other version * General Business

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 12 Oct '08

12 Oct '08

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Previous Minutes # Treasurers report # Correspondence # Matters # Server status # General business

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Nominations for officers of the committee
by James Pluck 12 Oct '08

12 Oct '08

Hi All, Just a reminder request for nominations for next years committee. At present, I am the only person nominated for any role. I'm not sure that a committee of 1 is a very good idea. So have a think about it and get your names in for the officers and general positions on the committee to run the WLUG next year. A lot of people have said that they know where the WLUG should be headed and how it should be run. it's time to put your money down and step up! J -- James Pluck PalmOS Ergo Sum "Dear IRS: I would like to cancel my subscription. Please remove my name from your mailing list..."

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wlug @ eday
by John Billings 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

Some wlug members volunteered at eday this year, here are some photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/floydwilde/sets/72157607781272930/ Best, John

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Happy (belated) Birthday Linux!
by James Pluck 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

October 5. Linux turns 17! http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-turns-17 -- James Pluck PalmOS Ergo Sum "Dear IRS: I would like to cancel my subscription. Please remove my name from your mailing list..."

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 05 Oct '08

05 Oct '08

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Describe http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2008-10-13 here. Agenda Discussion of Software Freedom Day Success: *A manageable turnout *USB stick draw worked well. *Music applications/ setups are popular. *Presentations format worked well. *The posters and advertising had created manageable expectations. *A public figure is a draw card (Nandoor Tanzcos) *Experienced presenters held audience attention. *The fliers and promotional materials were excellent. *News paper recognition. *EEE PC is popular. Things we learned *A resources page/board for those interested in future information. *The value of having someone welcoming people to the event. *The value of having the internet available. *Perhaps a notice board/ white board for any rescheduling issues. *Perhaps some configuration work could have been done earlier *Wireless AND wired access is useful to those wishing to hook up laptops. Number one trouble shooting with laptops is wireless issues so wired access is a prerequisite for troubleshooting some issues. *Have a session demonstrating the OpenDisc (on a windows computer), highlighting the programs on it. Thing we could do better or ideas for discussion *Maybe a local ubuntu respository for any install work to avoid hammering the internet connection. (might also save embarrassment when doing how to install) *Windows machines demonstrating the true cross platform nature of many free software projects *Demonstrating MythTV showing maturity of application. Preparation for AGM

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E-Waste Day...
by Chakat Sandwalker 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

Is anyone here from the central Hamilton West area? I /did/ have someone to take a small load (two monitors, a few PSUs and a few other small bits and pieces), but he won't be in Hamilton tomorrow. This is probably rather late notice, but then I didn't have much notice of changes of plan. If I can't get rid of any of this stuff now, where can I dispose of it later? I've no idea. Sandy

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WLUG Fixit Meeting is today!
by Meeting Reminder bot 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday October 4th, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi/?place/full_map) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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Re: [wlug] eday 5th October
by Bruce Kingsbury 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

> I'm not so much interested in pcs (and am happy to leave hard drives of > anything interesting behind at that) however, if servers/networking/old > stuff turns up, i am rather keen on the preservation of such hardware I think there's some allowance for this.. It would be pretty tragic if someone dropped off a 'poly' or similar rare, historic machine and nobody saved it. Anyhow, volunteer information at http://zcat.geek.nz/files/volunteers%208.30%20packers.doc for anybody who plans to help out on the day. Hopefully the list allows attachments. Also I think I've got too much here to fit in my car, let me know if you have some free space and can pass by this way on Sunday morning.

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WLUG Fixit Meeting tomorrow
by Meeting Reminder bot 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

A reminder; the WLUG Fixit Meeting is tomorrow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday October 4th, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm We will be holding our SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/nz/hamilton/enderley/-te+whanau+ptahi/?place/full_map) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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Announcement: Special General Meeting
by James Pluck 01 Oct '08

01 Oct '08

Hi all. This is to formally announce the intention of the committee to hold a Special General Meeting 15 minutes prior to the AGM (7:15 pm). The topic on the table for this meeting is the motion: "That the charter be amended to allow former paid members of the Waikato Linux Users Group to vote at an AGM of the WLUG with the proviso that their subscription be renewed at or before the AGM." Looking forward to seeing you all there. Cheers J -- James Pluck Treasurer/Librarian Waikato Linux Users Group

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Re: [wlug] Relay For Life
by cmoman 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

On Tuesday 30 September 2008 13:02:49 James Pluck wrote: > (reposted without the mentioned attachment. The PDF will be uploaded later > today to the WLUG server and a link posted later on.) http://www.wlug.org.nz/~cmoman/Race_for_life/Newsletter_Issue_1.pdf

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