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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 17 May '09

17 May '09

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JohnBillings, BruceKingsbury and ChrisOhalloran will talk about the past, present and future of the WlugBladeServer, 'hoiho'. The server hosts this wiki, as well as some other services you possibly didn't know about. * Chris will talk about our membership database and talk about how you can get a shell account, and why you would even want that. * Bruce will demonstrate some of the remote management features (integrated Lights Out or iLO) using WLUG's identical spare server 'kororaa', which was donated to us a year or two ago by Canterbury DHB. * John will talk about some of the history, current status and future maintenance required on the server. If you care about the WLUG server infrastructure, are, or would like to be one of the WlugSysadmins, or just interested in how the server is configured and what services are available, you should attend this meeting.

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Re: [wlug] convert and rename audio files...
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 17 May '09

17 May '09

SOLVED,,,, many thanks John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Thanks Ronnie, > I will see what I can do with the info you sent. > Regards John > > > Most media players read the meta data (IDv3 tags) , > > here<http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/153034>is some > > more info and a summary of a couple of GUI based > > examples. I used to have a python script that would > > rename them, but I no longer remember the name of the > > script. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] convert and rename audio files...
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 17 May '09

17 May '09

Thanks Ronnie, I will see what I can do with the info you sent. Regards John > Most media players read the meta data (IDv3 tags) , > here<http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/153034>is some > more info and a summary of a couple of GUI based examples. > I used to have a python script that would rename them, but > I no longer remember the name of the script. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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convert and rename audio files...
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 17 May '09

17 May '09

Hi All, I have just burned some c/d's with Serpentine for a friend from some itunes he owns. More than half are correctly titled but the rest are not. I have re-named a lot of the tracks from e.g. <01 track 01.M4A> to <songname .M4A> However when I open the files in any media player or burner it reverts to its initial filename or nearest whole number e.g. <unknown track 1 .ogg> or <track 1 .wav> is there some way I can force a rename that will remain? Regards John

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Web-Host advice
by Ronnie Collinson 16 May '09

16 May '09

Hi, guys Im looking at putting a personal web page online, in the next few months. I have chosen the domain name I am after and plan to purchase this soon. I would perfer to use the .net suffix, but a .co.nz could be used as a fallback option. Once the website is in a state worth uploading I will go for a web-hosting company solution (depending on price)(Linux host must, wordpress support, and preference for freedom to run personal python scripts are the only real requirments) . Any one got recommendations on a company to go with.

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Linux Foundation Unveils New Linux.com
by Bruce Kingsbury 15 May '09

15 May '09

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2009/05/linux-found… It looks like a potentially useful resource, so I went ahead and created a WLUG group; http://linux.com/community/groups/viewgroup/440-Waikato+Linux+Users+Group -- This email is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must burn your computer, while standing on one foot and chanting the entire jabberwocky. The opinions expressed here are not necessarily the opinions of the person who expressed them.

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My wireless Internet works on my laptop but not my wired broadband.
by Ron Dean 13 May '09

13 May '09

I've been down to the library and my wireless works just fine, Also if the laptop is booted off the live cd Jaunty it works correctly with the wired broadband. I ran software updates and after that the wired internet wouldn't work. On googling for solutions I have found a number of people are having similar problems but I haven't found a solution that I can get to work . Thanks to those people who replied to my original post. -- Ron Dean 2 Shannon Place Nawton Hamilton Ph 8493904

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Re: [wlug] free linux ebooks
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 11 May '09

11 May '09

Great link, many thanks, Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Some handy ebooks: > http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2009/05/10/10-free-linux-ebooks-for-beginners/ > > To be honest, not just for beginners. I'll definitely have > to try bash's debugging mode... :-) > > Cheers, Peter > -- > Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of > Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ > Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174 > _______________________________________________ wlug > mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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free linux ebooks
by Peter Reutemann 11 May '09

11 May '09

Some handy ebooks: http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2009/05/10/10-free-linux-ebooks-for-beginners/ To be honest, not just for beginners. I'll definitely have to try bash's debugging mode... :-) Cheers, Peter -- Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174

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Grub and Ubuntu kernel updates
by Glenn Ramsey 10 May '09

10 May '09

Hi, On one of my machines I had an ubuntu installation on a single partition (sda3). I recently moved everything except /home onto another partition (sda6) and set up grub to boot from that partition. This was all working fine until there was a kernel update. The update reconfigured grub to try boot from the original partition, which failed, but fortunately grub lets you edit stuff before booting and I was able to fix it without too much pain. How do I fix it properly so that the next kernel update doesn't break it in the same way? Glenn -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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Laptop not connecting to wired Internet
by Ron Dean 10 May '09

10 May '09

I have an Acer 5315 Laptop and am running Jaunty 64 bit I did some upgrades and now it won't connect to the wired Internet . However when I run the live cd it connects . How do I diagnose the problem ? -- Ron Dean 2 Shannon Place Nawton Hamilton Ph 8493904

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Uni Open Day thing
by John Billings 07 May '09

07 May '09

I emailed some people at the computer sci department about having a WLUG table at the open day thing. They weren't prepared to entertain that idea, but not like we were actually all that prepared to actually do it anyway. So those of you whom I talked about that with, (at the saturday workshop and committee meeting) I didn't follow up cause it's not happening. Thanks to Arthur for informing me about it anyhow. I'm going there anyhow to check it out and pick up our mail, so maybe we can organize something for next year or another event that might be more appropriate to table at. Best, John

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem (Solved)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 03 May '09

03 May '09

Thanks for all the help folks. Is now working as I wished. Regards John > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG Fixit Meeting is today!
by Meeting Reminder bot 01 May '09

01 May '09

A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday May 2nd, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/map/nz/hamilton/fairfield/-te+whanau+ptahi/) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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WLUG Fixit Meeting tomorrow
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Apr '09

30 Apr '09

A reminder; the WLUG Fixit Meeting is tomorrow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday May 2nd, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/map/nz/hamilton/fairfield/-te+whanau+ptahi/) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 27 Apr '09

27 Apr '09

It appears that you are correct. I had not expected such a long buffer period. It still, however causes rythmbox to lock up solid for some reason. Regards John > Perhaps just ingore the message and wait long enough for > the stream to buffer up?

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 Apr '09

26 Apr '09

I have changed to my desktop ubuntu 8.10 in the hope a more modern installation would help. Having run through the list of available streaming radio stations and successfully playing a large random selection. the exception being thecoast.net.nz when opened in firefox claims to need adobe flash-plugin. Flash-plugin is installed so there must be some other thing that I do not have that prevents this station playing. Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Just to make it interesting I now have the stream > > working in pretty well in firefox. A sad problem is that > > it is absolutely silent for some strange reason, not > > good for a radio stream. Vlc seems not to be working at > > all (no data transfer) even though the url seems to be > > in the correct place..... > > Your original link > (http://www.thecoast.net.nz/Listenlive/) was working for > me in Firefox from the start. There was no need for any > external application. > > Cheers, Peter > -- > Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of > Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ > Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174 > _______________________________________________ wlug > mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 26 Apr '09

26 Apr '09

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Kete: online digital knowledge for libraries and communities Hamilton City Library is using Kete to create an online knowledge basket of Hamilton history. Learn more from Rae McCormick and Smita Biswas of the Library and Walter McGinnis of Katipo Communications. Kete (Maori for 'basket') is an open source collaborative content and knowledge management system, developed by Katipo Communications Ltd and the Horowhenua Library Trust for building online community-driven history and memories. Hamilton City Library is using Kete to build a resource of Hamilton's heritage, recording stories, photographs, videos and audio recordings. Join us for a discussion covering how you can be involved, how Kete was developed, and how Kete helps the community to make their own stories and knowledge more accessible. Kete was the 2007 winner of the 3M Award for Innovation in Libraries, sponsored by 3M New Zealand in conjunction with the Library and Information Association of New Zealand Aotearoa. Kete was also awarded Special Mention for excellence in e-content (North America and Oceania region) at the 2007 World Summit Awards. * http://ketehamilton.peoplesnetworknz.info * http://kete.net.nz * http://www.katipo.co.nz Event poster at http://www.flickr.com/photos/butting/3447314368. Technical notes: Walter McGinnis is lead developer of Kete. Kete is a digital archiving tool, a web-based application using the Ruby on Rails framework. 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4)

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem (partial solution
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 Apr '09

26 Apr '09

That is fine the buffer situation is understood. I do not wish to listen to a twin computer simulcast and am happy with just one. However it happened that my friend was listening to the station I have been endeavoring to get running for the past three days so we drew a comparison. Regards John PS I will attempt to run rythmbox tomorrow ----- Original Message Follows ----- > jaytee(a)clear.net.nz wrote: > > I just opened firefox and did tools/pageinfo/media down > > to the link Peter sent me. I copied the link into the > > browser and "Voila" it played. My friend was at a > > windows computer playing the same stream as I but his > > was playing 20/30 seconds ahead of my stream for some > > reason???????? Any helpful comments appreciated. > > Regards John > > Different applications have different levels of buffering, > which in turn delays the stream from live by however > large the buffer is. A larger buffer will deal with > network issues (packet loss, jitter etc) better, but will > give a larger absolute delay from the "live" feed. > > If you actually care, you can try tweaking the buffer > settings (I don't know where you'd look though, sorry). > Of course, if you're ever in a situation where you can > hear both instances of it, why not just turn one off and > only listen to the other one? ;) >

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem (partial solution
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 Apr '09

26 Apr '09

I just opened firefox and did tools/pageinfo/media down to the link Peter sent me. I copied the link into the browser and "Voila" it played. My friend was at a windows computer playing the same stream as I but his was playing 20/30 seconds ahead of my stream for some reason???????? Any helpful comments appreciated. Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > I have changed to my desktop ubuntu 8.10 in the hope a > more modern installation would help. > Having run through the list of available streaming radio > stations and successfully playing a large random > selection. the exception being thecoast.net.nz when opened > in firefox claims to need adobe flash-plugin. Flash-plugin > is installed so there must be some other thing that I do > not have that prevents this station playing. > Regards John > > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > Just to make it interesting I now have the stream > > > working in pretty well in firefox. A sad problem is > > > that it is absolutely silent for some strange reason, > > > not good for a radio stream. Vlc seems not to be > > > working at all (no data transfer) even though the url > > > seems to be in the correct place..... > > > > Your original link > > (http://www.thecoast.net.nz/Listenlive/) was working for > > me in Firefox from the start. There was no need for any > > external application. > > > > Cheers, Peter > > -- > > Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University > > of Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ > > Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174 > > _______________________________________________ wlug > > mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 Apr '09

26 Apr '09

Do you recommend that I un-install install the flash-plugin/ to see if that solves the problem I have the version in synaptic which is 10.22.87-2 intrepid? Regards John > > A couple of points there: if I load it, it displays a > notice about needing the flash plugin (which I have > installed), however it works anyway - the stream still > plays. It's possible it needs a newer version of flash > than you have installed AND it has some broken code for > detecting if flash is installed.

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 Apr '09

26 Apr '09

Just to make it interesting I now have the stream working in pretty well in firefox. A sad problem is that it is absolutely silent for some strange reason, not good for a radio stream. Vlc seems not to be working at all (no data transfer) even though the url seems to be in the correct place..... Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > I use VLC to listen to streams like this. I tried the > > one you posted below and it works. I use the firefox > > plugin here to connect the stream to vlc: > > > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446 > > > > mplayer would also work. > > Interesting, neither mplayer nor vlc worked for me. Only > Rhythmbox. > > Cheers, Peter > -- > Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of > Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ > Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174 > _______________________________________________ wlug > mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Apr '09

25 Apr '09

OK, I followed the instructions given and found rythmbox defaults to "paused" when the play is actioned ( by doubleclick or play radio ) then total lock-up occurs and forced quit is needed. I tried the same thing in Amarok but the stream would not play giving a "there is no audio channel" error. Both players do a play other streams but not the one I would like to hear. Regards john > Nope, no install script necessary. Just follow these steps > (on Ubuntu 8.10): - open rhythmbox > - navigate to Library -> Radio > - right-click in the list on the right hand side and > select "New Internet Radio Station" > - paste the link in the dialog box that popped up and > click "Add" - select this new internet radio and click on > "Play" > > NB: Rhythmbox seems a bit buggy and might not manage to > play the radio immediately. But after a few times > double-clicking on the radio (or selecting the station and > the clicking on the "Play" button) it finally starts > playing the stream. > > Cheers, Peter > -- > Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of > Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ > Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174 > _______________________________________________ wlug > mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Apr '09

25 Apr '09

Hmmn! I am using ver 0.11.5 I wonder if that is significant? John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > I followed the instructions given and found rythmbox > > defaults to "paused" when the play is actioned ( by > > doubleclick or play radio ) then total lock-up occurs > > and forced quit is needed. I tried the same thing in > > Amarok but the stream would not play giving a "there is > > no audio channel" error. Both players do a play other > > streams but not the one I would like to hear. > > Sorry, but it works fine for me (just tried it again with > the link below - always takes me a few attempts to get it > to play). > > http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/audioredirect.asp?whichbrand=coastAK > > BTW My Rhythmbox version is 0.11.6. Haven't tested amarok > , as I don't use it. > > Cheers, Peter > -- > Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of > Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ > Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174 > _______________________________________________ wlug > mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Apr '09

25 Apr '09

Thanks again Peter. Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Hah! I kind of thought that I would need to open the > > audioasx.asp in rythmbox, Seems this is not case. Do I > > need an install script or? > > Nope, no install script necessary. Just follow these steps > (on Ubuntu 8.10): - open rhythmbox > - navigate to Library -> Radio > - right-click in the list on the right hand side and > select "New Internet Radio Station" > - paste the link in the dialog box that popped up and > click "Add" - select this new internet radio and click on > "Play" > > NB: Rhythmbox seems a bit buggy and might not manage to > play the radio immediately. But after a few times > double-clicking on the radio (or selecting the station and > the clicking on the "Play" button) it finally starts > playing the stream. > > Cheers, Peter > -- > Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of > Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ > Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174 > _______________________________________________ wlug > mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Apr '09

25 Apr '09

Hah! I kind of thought that I would need to open the audioasx.asp in rythmbox, Seems this is not case. Do I need an install script or? Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Thanks Peter. > Regards John > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > I am trying to get this url to work in > > > Rythmbox....http://www.thecoast.net.nz/Listenlive/ > > > However after connecting I get to following message. > > > "Couldn't start playback A text/html decoder plugin is > > > required to play this stream, but not installed." > > > I have searched a few forum threads but all seem to > > > point to things I already have installed. Does anyone > > > know of a specific plugin that is required for this > > address > > > > Looking at the source code of that webpage, I got the > > following link working in Rhythmbox: > > > > > http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/audioredirect.asp?whichbrand=coastAK > > > > Cheers, Peter > > -- > > Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University > > of Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ > > Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174 > > _______________________________________________ wlug > > mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 23 Apr '09

23 Apr '09

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Kete: online digital knowledge for libraries and communities Hamilton City Library is using Kete to create an online knowledge basket of Hamilton history. Learn more from Rae McCormick and Smita Biswas of the Library and Walter McGinnis of Katipo Communications. Kete (Maori for 'basket') is an open source collaborative content and knowledge management system, developed by Katipo Communications Ltd and the Horowhenua Library Trust for building online community-driven history and memories. Hamilton City Library is using Kete to build a resource of Hamilton's heritage, recording stories, photographs, videos and audio recordings. Join us for a discussion covering how you can be involved, how Kete was developed, and how Kete helps the community to make their own stories and knowledge more accessible. Kete was the 2007 winner of the 3M Award for Innovation in Libraries, sponsored by 3M New Zealand in conjunction with the Library and Information Association of New Zealand Aotearoa. Kete was also awarded Special Mention for excellence in e-content (North America and Oceania region) at the 2007 World Summit Awards. * http://ketehamilton.peoplesnetworknz.info * http://kete.net.nz * http://www.katipo.co.nz Event poster at http://www.flickr.com/photos/butting/3447314368. Technical notes: Walter McGinnis is lead developer of Kete. Kete is a digital archiving tool, a web-based application using the Ruby on Rails framework. 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4)

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Re: [wlug] Rythmbox problem
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 23 Apr '09

23 Apr '09

Thanks Peter. Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > I am trying to get this url to work in > > Rythmbox....http://www.thecoast.net.nz/Listenlive/ > > However after connecting I get to following message. > > "Couldn't start playback A text/html decoder plugin is > > required to play this stream, but not installed." > > I have searched a few forum threads but all seem to > > point to things I already have installed. Does anyone > > know of a specific plugin that is required for this > address > > Looking at the source code of that webpage, I got the > following link working in Rhythmbox: > > http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/audioredirect.asp?whichbrand=coastAK > > Cheers, Peter > -- > Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of > Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ > Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174 > _______________________________________________ wlug > mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Rythmbox problem
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 23 Apr '09

23 Apr '09

Hi All, I am trying to get this url to work in Rythmbox....http://www.thecoast.net.nz/Listenlive/ However after connecting I get to following message. "Couldn't start playback A text/html decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed." I have searched a few forum threads but all seem to point to things I already have installed. Does anyone know of a specific plugin that is required for this address Regards John

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Phishing email from wlug.org.nz
by James Pluck 21 Apr '09

21 Apr '09

Hi all, I know that you all are intelligent and knowing internet users so please just ignore this :) I've been the lucky recipient of a phishing email purporting to be from the WLUG SUPPORT TEAM telling me that apparantly we are undergoing maintenace (sic) on our servers and need me to reply with my username and password to some group with a yahoo.com.hk address. Did we outsource our server maintenance recently and not tell the committee? *grin* Just a heads up everyone :) Cheers James.

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 19 Apr '09

19 Apr '09

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Kete: online digital knowledge for libraries and communities Hamilton City Library is using Kete to create an online knowledge basket of Hamilton history. Learn more from Rae McCormick and Smita Biswas of the Library and Walter McGinnis of Katipo Communications. Kete (Maori for 'basket') is an open source collaborative content and knowledge management system, developed by Katipo Communications Ltd and the Horowhenua Library Trust for building online community-driven history and memories. Hamilton City Library is using Kete to build a resource of Hamilton's heritage, recording stories, photographs, videos and audio recordings. Join us for a discussion covering how you can be involved, how Kete was developed, and how Kete helps the community to make their own stories and knowledge more accessible. Kete was the 2007 winner of the 3M Award for Innovation in Libraries, sponsored by 3M New Zealand in conjunction with the Library and Information Association of New Zealand Aotearoa. Kete was also awarded Special Mention for excellence in e-content (North America and Oceania region) at the 2007 World Summit Awards. * http://ketehamilton.peoplesnetworknz.info * http://kete.net.nz * http://www.katipo.co.nz Event poster at http://www.flickr.com/photos/butting/3447314368. Technical notes: Walter McGinnis is lead developer of Kete. Kete is a digital archiving tool, a web-based application using the Ruby on Rails framework. 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4)

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27 April Meeting - Kete/Hamilton City Library
by John Billings 18 Apr '09

18 Apr '09

In advance of the script that goes and sends the meeting announcements, just wanted to invite you all to our meeting this month: *Kete: online digital knowledge for libraries and communities* Hamilton City Library is using Kete to create an online knowledge basket of Hamilton history. Learn more from Rae McCormick and Smita Biswas of the Library and Walter McGinnis of Katipo Communications. More info here: http://wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2009-04-27 We hope to gather a good audience for Rae, Smita, and Walter, and show them there is a large community that supports the library using Free/Open Source Software. Please help us spread the word about the meeting, invite a friend or colleague. Bryce has made a great flyer which you can download from the link above, if you can spare some ink please print out a couple copies and distribute. Thanks, The WLUG Committee

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Google Maps -- now with crunchy aerial goodness!
by Bryce Utting 17 Apr '09

17 Apr '09

looks like the imagery was captured around 4pm or so on 17/12/2008. (prove me wrong!) VERY hi-res. butting

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Making a movie from a series of images
by Glenn Ramsey 16 Apr '09

16 Apr '09

Hi, For my study I use a piece of software that displays animated 3d models and which can generate images for each frame of the animation. I can make these image into an animated gif using ImageMagick's convert or into an mpeg movie using ffmpeg, for use in a ppt presentation. The mpeg has lots of compression artifacts (I guess because the images are computer generated they have sharp colour gradients). The animated gif looks great, but is quite a large file. There must be a way to make an movie that doesn't have the compression artifacts as is done for screencast type movies. I've done some web searching about this but I'm not sure what I'm looking for. Can anyone suggest a way to do this or some search terms that I could use? Cheers Glenn -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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comparing files
by Peter Reutemann 05 Apr '09

05 Apr '09

Hi there If you ever had to check the differences between two files, e.g., patching files, you most likely came across "diff". diff's output may be easy to parse for programs, but I personally prefer a graphical view of the differences side-by-side. I just came across the article "Linux GUI diff utilities a visual tour" covering quite a few tools that allow you to visually compare two files. More tools are mentioned in the comments (my personal favorite is KDiff3): http://www.handlewithlinux.com/Linux-GUI-diff-utilities-a-visual-tour Cheers, Peter -- Peter Reutemann, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Waikato, NZ http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ Ph. +64 (7) 858-5174

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WLUG Fixit Meeting is today!
by Meeting Reminder bot 03 Apr '09

03 Apr '09

A reminder, the WLUG Fixit Meeting is today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday April 4th, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/map/nz/hamilton/fairfield/-te+whanau+ptahi/) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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WLUG Fixit Meeting tomorrow
by Meeting Reminder bot 02 Apr '09

02 Apr '09

A reminder; the WLUG Fixit Meeting is tomorrow. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday April 4th, 10:00 am to 4:00 pm SaturdayWorkshop at Te Whanau Pūtahi (http://zoomin.co.nz/map/nz/hamilton/fairfield/-te+whanau+ptahi/) the community church at the end of Oxford Street. We'll have the usual tables, power, various ISO's, Internet, coffee and light lunch, etc.

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Ubuntu "Windows install"
by Michael McDonald 02 Apr '09

02 Apr '09

Just did a test install of Ubuntu within Windows. It's a very easy installation and one that an "average" computer user could cope with. The downside, of course, is that Ubuntu is at the mercy of the Windows files system. That shouldn't be too much of a problem. Buoyed by that success, I tried it to do it with Windows 7 Beta. No such luck! Microsoft has changed the boot system and as a result Ubuntu won't boot to finish the installation. It's possible there are a few hacks to get around that. I haven't done any research. No doubt Canonical will devise a way of making it work with Windows 7. I suspect an attempt to do a "manual" install of Ubuntu would result in Windows 7 no longer booting. Michael

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Is recording from an *.m3u stream possible?
by Glyn Webster 02 Apr '09

02 Apr '09

Is there any sort of program (or simple set up) that will automatically record from a *.m3u stream at a particular hour? I.e. like a video recorder. I want to listen to British radio shows that are on at silly hours of the NZ morning: http://resonancefm.com/listen --Glyn

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Connecting to KOL with dialup
by Michael McDonald 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

I set up a user with a trial of Ubuntu, an external modem, and a KOL connection. (Would be lovely to have broadband, but in this situation broadband is "not on"). Dialup seems to be changing! I had a few problems during testing connecting to Xtra (see http://wlug.org.nz/Xtra ) ... Xtra's prompts upset wvdial. I thought "Oh well, if I can get Xtra to connect, I ought to be able to get KOL to talk using the same technique". Trying the usual methods of connecting didn't give any joy, so I used putty to find out what was happening. Name and Password was fine, but then KOL responded with a binary string, repeated every second or so, 6th byte incrementing, for a while and then disconnected. The string is ... ff 03 c0 21 01 dc 00 12 01 04 7f d5 03 04 c0 23 05 06 77 2d 1d b1 (dc was the byte that incremented with each message) Is this familiar to anyone? I haven't rung KOL as the website claims no support for Linux, and I wouldn't expect normal help-desk staff to be able to answer that query anyway. At worst, I've donated, $10 to KOL! Now that the user has the computer, I've got to set up another one for testing. :-) (Not a problem!) Any suggestions? Michael

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Re: [wlug] Where do I go on the Internet ask general questions about Debian Lenny?
by Glyn Webster 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

Thank you, all. I'll be watching the Debian forums and the "debian-user" mailing list now. I didn't know about them. (I'm watching at "debian-user" via Gmane.org's NNTP feed - KNode is nicer to use than Google Groups.) I'm using KDE 3.5 on Debian Lenny. "update-notifier" *says* it will work on KDE. I've followed the advice I just found here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27109 I think what it says to do is the command-line equivalent to using "System > Preferences > Session", which isn't there in Debian. "update-notify" is running in the background now, and a grey icon appeared (and disappeared) in the KDE System Tray. I'll wait for an update to come up and see what happens. If nothing, I'll subscribe to "debian-user" and ask. On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 4:22:46 pm John Billings wrote: > I find the Debian forums are a good resource: > > http://forums.debian.net/ > > Or using this google interface to the user list: > > http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/topics > > When I plugged "update-notifier" in the search box on that user list > page, the first thread that came up talks about restoring > update-notifier in gnome: > > http://tinyurl.com/cgg9mr > > There is a panel applet called "notification area", where > update-notifier puts the alert, make sure you have that on one of your > panels. > > Best, > John > > Bruce Kingsbury wrote: > >>> Where do I go on the Internet ask general questions about Debian Lenny? > >>> > >>> (The question is: I've installed 'update-notifier', but it never > >>> notifies me > >>> of any package updates. The README gives me a feeling I'm supposed to > >>> set something up, but I'm not sure what or how.) > > > > At a guess, you probably need to run 'update-notifier' in your Gnome > > or KDE session .. Under Ubuntu it's System > Preferences > Session to > > have things run automatically at login (In Jaunty it's renamed to > > Startup Applications), it's probably somewhere similar in Debian. > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug --Glyn

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 213, Issue 16
by Jaco van der Merwe 26 Mar '09

26 Mar '09

Thanks for the speedy info. The guys on dd-wrt reckon you may be OK if you implemented strong password. Maybe add a the relevant IP/DNS to a blacklist & remove all tools to download code, like wget, "busybox ftpget" & tftp. Disable ssh & access from outside (besides via VPN). http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=49370&highlight=psyb0t I expect we'll see a patch soon (considering how soon a patch cam out after the "Kaminski bug") - J > From: wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: wlug Digest, Vol 213, Issue 16 > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:00:08 +1300 > > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Worm Targets Linux Routers (James Pluck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:36:16 +1300 > From: James Pluck <papabearnz(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [wlug] Worm Targets Linux Routers > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <49CC0360.2050701(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > This looks a little upsetting... > > http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2009/03/26/worm-targets-linux-routers/1?t… > > > J > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of wlug Digest, Vol 213, Issue 16 > ************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Got a 2008 financial hangover? Let MSN NZ Money help you recover. http://money.msn.co.nz

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Worm Targets Linux Routers
by James Pluck 26 Mar '09

26 Mar '09

This looks a little upsetting... http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2009/03/26/worm-targets-linux-routers/1?t… J

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Where do I go on the Internet ask general questions about Debian Lenny?
by Glyn Webster 24 Mar '09

24 Mar '09

Where do I go on the Internet ask general questions about Debian Lenny? (The question is: I've installed 'update-notifier', but it never notifies me of any package updates. The README gives me a feeling I'm supposed to set something up, but I'm not sure what or how.) --Glyn

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situation vacant - Programmer/Developer
by John McPherson 23 Mar '09

23 Mar '09

Global-Pix.com runs several websites, including the Marathon-Photos.com site. In 2008 we photographed more than 2 million athletes in over 450 events through 30 countries - taking more than 6 million images and recording over a thousand hours' worth of video footage. Due to expansion, we are looking for a Programmer to join our small development team based at our office in Hamilton. In this position, you would help maintain and program our back-end systems. While there will be some system administration tasks to be done, the majority of your time will be spent working on software features. We are looking for someone with a minimum of 3 years' programming experience, particularly with the Python programming language. In addition, experience in either of the two following areas would be a distinct advantage: 1) System Administration - for example: * Server internals (eg RAID, SATA, UPSes) * Debian GNU/Linux administration experience * LAN management (configuration, DNS/bind, diagnostics, etc) * Centralised account management - LDAP, SMB, SSH or 2) Video Processing - for example: * good knowledge of video formats and codecs * familiarity with command line video processing tools (eg ffmpeg) * streaming video Salary is negotiable based on skillset and experience. Our office has a small and friendly atmosphere near the middle of the CBD. Please send email to vacancies(a)global-pix.com to apply or request further information. If you reply to this email, beware of the default "Reply-To" header on the WLUG list. -- John McPherson

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Re: [wlug] benq scanner install
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 23 Mar '09

23 Mar '09

Hi Glen, Did you make a typo? snapscan scanscan?? John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > hi all > > I am installing my Benq scanner, and I have run into some > trouble. I have listed my installation steps and terminal > output: > > System: Ubuntu 5.10 > > Kernel:2.6.12-9 386 > > Scanner: BENQ 4300U > > Flatbed scanner > USB 1.0 > Powerpack 16v(a)1.0A > > 1. Before plugging scanner in: tail /var/log/messages > > glenn(a)glenn:~$ tail /var/log/messages > Nov 21 21:14:08 localhost kernel: [4311704.892000] usb > 1-1.2: USB disconnect, address 3 > Nov 21 21:14:10 localhost kernel: [4311707.716000] usb > 1-1.2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address > 16 Nov 21 21:14:11 localhost kernel: [4311707.901000] > input: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Logitech USB Optical Mouse] on > usb-0000:00:07.2-1.2 Nov 21 21:14:11 localhost > input.agent[12936]: tsdev: already loaded Nov 21 > 21:14:11 localhost input.agent[12936]: mousedev: > already loaded > Nov 21 21:14:11 localhost input.agent[12936]: evdev: > already loaded Nov 21 21:14:11 localhost usb.agent[12951]: > usbhid: already loaded Nov 21 21:14:12 localhost > input.agent[13046]: evdev: already loaded Nov 21 > 21:14:12 localhost input.agent[13052]: evdev: already > loaded Nov 21 21:14:12 localhost input.agent[13113]: > evdev: already loaded glenn(a)glenn:~$ > > 2. When scanner is recognised upon plugging in: > > glenn(a)glenn:~$ tail /var/log/messages > Nov 21 21:14:11 localhost kernel: [4311707.901000] input: > USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Logitech USB Optical Mouse] on > usb-0000:00:07.2-1.2 Nov 21 21:14:11 localhost > input.agent[12936]: tsdev: already loaded Nov 21 > 21:14:11 localhost input.agent[12936]: mousedev: > already loaded > Nov 21 21:14:11 localhost input.agent[12936]: evdev: > already loaded Nov 21 21:14:11 localhost usb.agent[12951]: > usbhid: already loaded Nov 21 21:14:12 localhost > input.agent[13046]: evdev: already loaded Nov 21 > 21:14:12 localhost input.agent[13052]: evdev: already > loaded Nov 21 21:14:12 localhost input.agent[13113]: > evdev: already loaded Nov 21 21:17:31 localhost kernel: > [4311908.671000] usb 1-1.4.1: new full speed USB device > using uhci_hcd and address 17 Nov 21 21:17:32 localhost > usb.agent[13207]: libusbscanner: loaded successfully > glenn(a)glenn:~$ > > 3. lsusb > > glenn(a)glenn:~$ lsusb > Bus 001 Device 017: ID 04a5:20b0 Acer Peripherals Inc. > (now BenQ Corp.) S2W 3300U/4300U > Bus 001 Device 016: ID 046d:c019 Logitech, Inc. > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 > glenn(a)glenn:~$ > > 4. Checked /proc/bus/usb/devices to see if the scanner was > recognised and had loaded a driver (driver=(none) in my > case. > > glenn(a)glenn:~$cat /proc/bus/usb/devices > T: Bus=01 Lev=03 Prnt=04 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 17 Spd=12 > MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 1.00 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff MxPS= 8 > #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=04a5 ProdID=20b0 Rev= 1.20 > S: Manufacturer=Color > S: Product= FlatbedScanner 22 > C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr=100mA > I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff > Driver=(none) E: Ad=81(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 8 Ivl=0ms > E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 8 Ivl=16ms > glenn(a)glenn:/proc/bus/usb$ > > 5. As a normal user, run xsane from the terminal: > > glenn(a)glenn:/proc/bus/usb$ xsane > > ERROR MESSAGE: Failed to open device > 'snapscan:libusb:001:017': Invalid argument. > > 6. Run scanscan from the terminal: > > glenn(a)glenn:/proc/bus/usb$ snapscan > bash: snapscan: command not found > > This is where I get into trouble as I cannot run apt-get > on my 5.10 machine and can't figure out what to do next. > > Glenn. > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 22 Mar '09

22 Mar '09

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Janet Leggett the Director of the Waikato 2020 Communications Trust will be giving a presentation on her organization, and how they use http://www.wlug.org.nz/Moodle a FOSS educational course managment tool. 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4)

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 22 Mar '09

22 Mar '09

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- #Previous minutes #Treasurers report #Correspondance #Matters arising #Server Status #General business * Reschedule committee meetings to the week after the regular meeting. * Library Status ---- Previous meeting: http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2009-01-19 CommitteeMeetingTopics

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 213, Issue 10
by David Bowen 21 Mar '09

21 Mar '09

wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz wrote: > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Connecting to KOL with dialup (Michael McDonald) > 2. Re: Connecting to KOL with dialup (John Rye) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:52:25 +1300 > From: Michael McDonald <mikencolleen(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [wlug] Connecting to KOL with dialup > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: > <e58eb89b0903201352x36c95734hd9eb5f1c77082e69(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I set up a user with a trial of Ubuntu, an external modem, and a KOL > connection. (Would be lovely to have broadband, but in this situation > broadband is "not on"). > > Dialup seems to be changing! I had a few problems during testing > connecting to Xtra (see http://wlug.org.nz/Xtra ) ... Xtra's prompts > upset wvdial. I thought "Oh well, if I can get Xtra to connect, I > ought to be able to get KOL to talk using the same technique". > > Trying the usual methods of connecting didn't give any joy, so I used > putty to find out what was happening. Name and Password was fine, but > then KOL responded with a binary string, repeated every second or so, > 6th byte incrementing, for a while and then disconnected. The string > is ... > > ff 03 c0 21 01 dc 00 12 01 04 7f d5 03 04 c0 23 05 06 77 2d 1d b1 > (dc was the byte that incremented with each message) > > Is this familiar to anyone? I haven't rung KOL as the website claims > no support for Linux, and I wouldn't expect normal help-desk staff to > be able to answer that query anyway. At worst, I've donated, $10 to > KOL! > > Now that the user has the computer, I've got to set up another one for > testing. :-) (Not a problem!) > > Any suggestions? > > Michael > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:51:10 +1300 > From: John Rye <jrt746(a)clear.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] Connecting to KOL with dialup > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Message-ID: <20090321105110.8b7ad732.jrt746(a)clear.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 09:52:25 +1300 > Michael McDonald wrote: > > >> I set up a user with a trial of Ubuntu, an external modem, and a KOL >> connection. (Would be lovely to have broadband, but in this situation >> broadband is "not on"). >> >> Dialup seems to be changing! I had a few problems during testing >> connecting to Xtra (see http://wlug.org.nz/Xtra ) ... Xtra's prompts >> upset wvdial. I thought "Oh well, if I can get Xtra to connect, I >> ought to be able to get KOL to talk using the same technique". >> >> Trying the usual methods of connecting didn't give any joy, so I used >> putty to find out what was happening. Name and Password was fine, but >> then KOL responded with a binary string, repeated every second or so, >> 6th byte incrementing, for a while and then disconnected. The string >> is ... >> >> ff 03 c0 21 01 dc 00 12 01 04 7f d5 03 04 c0 23 05 06 77 2d 1d b1 >> (dc was the byte that incremented with each message) >> >> Is this familiar to anyone? I haven't rung KOL as the website claims >> no support for Linux, and I wouldn't expect normal help-desk staff to >> be able to answer that query anyway. At worst, I've donated, $10 to >> KOL! >> >> Now that the user has the computer, I've got to set up another one for >> testing. :-) (Not a problem!) >> >> Any suggestions? >> > > Try setting your /etc/ppp/options like this: > ===== > lock > noauth > defaultroute > ipcp-max-configure 65 > ipcp-accept-local > ipcp-accept-remote > idle 600 > ===== > > This works for me > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of wlug Digest, Vol 213, Issue 10 > ************************************* > > Try installing Gnome-ppp and set it to run "Stupid mode" in other words ignore init strings. Quite a while since I did it, but I got it to work. I think gnome-ppp is the only one that works because it can be set to ignore init strings. Hope that helps Dave

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 19 Mar '09

19 Mar '09

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Janet Leggett the Director of the Waikato 2020 Communications Trust will be giving a presentation on her organization, and how they use http://www.wlug.org.nz/Moodle a FOSS educational course managment tool. 7:30pm MS4.G.02 (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map?MS4)

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