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Re: [wlug] Yoper
by Craig Mckenna 11 Apr '03

11 Apr '03

On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 14:52, Gavin Grieve wrote: > On 4/11/2003, "Andreas Girardet" <andreas(a)yoper.com> wrote: > > >:) I am sure I am going to be at another LUG meeting, since Auckland ain't > >that far. > > Dammit, I guess this'll mean I should turn up for meetings again then. I'm > going to try, but depending on my schedule (read: shifts), it may only be > every second month or so. > > Gavin thats even more regularly than when you were in hamilton though ;) -- Craig Mckenna IT Systems Manager Eforms Limited

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Red Hat 9
by craig＠dubculture.co.nz 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Red Hat 9 (shrike) was yesterday released to the FTP servers for Red Hat Network subscribers. Being that Linux users are an impatient lot, it was made available quickly through the new open source P2P system BitTorrent (see http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/) I have downloaded it and burnt it to 3 CDs. (No docs/SRPMs yet.) I've copied it for Greig McGill, and I'll give it to Matthias Dallmeier at lunchtime. Anyone who wants a copy _today_ is advised to hop onto #wlug on IRC and organise something with Matthias, who is looking after wider public distribution. Otherwise, posts to the list will probably quickly result in offers of copies. Next: Knoppix 3.2, which I haven't DLed because it changes almost daily! Side note: while some people may suggest that we should be supporting Red Hat Ltd. and not 'copying' the release that they have released earlier for paying customers, think of it this way: by downloading it P2P with BitTorrent, all the people who would have hammered the main site come a week from now will have just saved Red Hat Ltd. a lot of money in bandwidth charges. Side side note: BitTorrent wasn't nearly as fast a method for downloading as everyone made out on Slashdot!

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Re: [wlug] unsubsribe
by Kim Shepherd 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Argh! Then *I* manage to do the same thing......... (yes, this was meant for the list..) > Hi John, > > You actually sent this message to the list instead of to the maintenance > address, but I've manually unsubscribed you. > > Cheers, > > Kim.

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Re: [wlug] Wire wrap
by Gavin Denby 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

short term borrow, ask me (less than a week) have wire too. Phone cable is cheap option long term, Ideal electrical, Hand tool house, Mastertrade(maybe) connector systems(ak) radio spares www.rswww.co.nz farnell, www.farnell.com then select NZ If you need help drop me a line off list, I'll send you a phone number On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 22:51, Glyn Webster wrote: > Does anyone know where I can buy a wire wrap tool and wire in Hamilton?

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Urgent committee meeting
by Daniel Lawson 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Due to recent events, I am calling an urgent LUG committee meeting. Crawshaw School, 7:00 pm tommorrow (Wednesday). Myself, Jamie Curtis, Craig Box, Craig McKenna, Kim Shepherd, Perry Lorier, Gavin Denby, Greig McGill, Phil Murray, Burce Kingsbury. I would appreciate it if all of the committee turned up. Members are allowed to attend, however this is a meeting called specifically for committee business and while comments may be asked of those attended, non committee members are asked to not feel offended if they don't get to have their say. If transport is required it can be arranged. Contact me by email if you want a lift. Daniel

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FW: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Lindsay Druett 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 08:35 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc. > > > Looks like the herald is breaking all the interesting stories lately: > > http://tinyurl.com/82j8 > > I can understand Callplus having problems since they have > been struggling with inexperienced staff for a few months > (although 6 months is before the most recent resignations) > but I'm not sure how the Jetstream/Jetstart thing would have > worked. I've yet to see Telecom lose money when people get > Jetstream relms confused. > > -- > Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: > simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz > Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: > simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz > Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Bruce Kingsbury 16 Mar '03

16 Mar '03

Today is 17/03/2003 The WLUG meeting is one week away March 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23[24]25 26 27 28 29 30 31

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CoffeeLinux HTML editor
by Ron Dean 16 Mar '03

16 Mar '03

I have got the above software running but only under root. I have changed the file permisions to user 9ron) for the software however it still will only run under root. Iam using Mandrake 9. I have not had problems with changing file permisssions for other software. The executable files are in my /home/ron/ directory. Any help would be much appreciated Ron Dean

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desknote
by Stephen Pearce 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Does anyone have advise or recommedations on a lpatop/notebook suitable for running linux? I have been looking at the Elite i-Buddie desknote pc ... a928,a929,a980 .. they come without a battery and use desktop components so are current hungry .. but price/performance seems v. impressive. The local agent seemed to only know about the a901 .. does anyone know a dealer doing the later models .. or could recommend a similar concept from another manufacturer .. or maybe just has some advise on conventional portables ... the choise is rather daunting Thanks Stephen g_and_s_pearce(a)xtra.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] Next week-of-doing-things on the WLUG-Wiki
by Glyn Webster 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

> anyhow, probably the best way of doing categories is to create a > category page by editing it and putting > This is a category for blah, blargh lbargh... > <?plugin BackLinks?> > > then as you find pages that should be in one category or another you add > a link to the page, to link to the category pages without putting the > page into the category you use category: Indeed. It's just with ~6000 pages it's going to take fair number of people to get through them all! Which is why I suggested it ought to be done in a week long push like your Add-a-Page-To-the-Wiki-a-Day one. > perhaps do it as you see pages :) Oh well, better get started then... %-| -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] Tonight's meeting
by Daniel Appleton 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

Oh dear, I've got 2000 Pro, 2000 Server & Xp Pro installed on here. 2000 is the most stable windows though. Anyone got '98? ;) Daniel http://dapples.net.nz/ --- Gavin Denby <redhat(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > Um maybe if I borrowed a machine with windows on it, > But not here > anymore. sorry. > > > On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 19:11, Daniel Appleton wrote: > > How about a demonstration of how many times you > can > > make Windows crash during a meeting? > > > > anyone? > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Exchange IMs with Messenger friends on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile phone.

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Re: [wlug] ADSL failover
by Perry Lorier 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Hi everyone, > > I'm currently investigating how to set up ADSL failover. > > The default gateway on the network is a Linux machine, and its default > gateway is a Nokia M1122 connected to Tempest. In case the Tempest > connection goes down, I would like to set the machine up to fall back to a > secondary route, connected to a Jetstream modem. The Jetsream connection > should only ever be used in the case that the Tempest connection is > unavailable. > > How I've thought this should work: > > - set a route for both modems, giving the Tempest modem a higher metric > (this might not be necessary?) lower metric's are prefered. you want to give the jetstart modem a higher metric. > Would a ping test fired by something like Nagios be enough for this task? > The modems support RIP, but I'm not sure what I'd need to do with the Linux > machine to use it, and if it's overkill? Am I missing anything? rip would be good if they announce if they are up/down, as you could use rip to add/remove the routes. rip works just like ospf, see the zebra docs for more information - -- Bower's Law: Talent goes where the action is. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid iD8DBQE+SuiscAgRpy8z8UQRAkClAKCy9sRzGBQWF+EHQeI8JaSsmJhMdgCfQY12 p6wm4wOssfd9E7aB0c2k2NU= =4juG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Printer drivers with samba
by Daniel Lawson 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

I know this can be done, however I cant for the life of me find the references I had before. Maybe I'm going blind. If anyone has any useful info on setting up printer drivers with samba (ie, so you can double click on a shared printer under windows, and it'll install the drivers for you), please let me know. Or wiki it, then let me know :) Daniel

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WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away
by Bruce Kingsbury 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Today is 23/01/2003 The WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away January 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26[27]28 29 30 31

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Re: [wlug] [Off-Topic] Free Software Consortium in search of Consultants and Agents in your area.
by Glyn Webster 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

> We would like to invite you to be a founding members of the FSC either as a > Consultant and/or an Agent. > > http://www.fsconsortium.com I felt supicious. The only contact information is email addresses on the two FSC domains, and two office addresses in Florida and Cuba. No names. However, they do want you to supply your name, phone number, email address and anything else that comes to mind, and send them $250. I have a feeling they'll keep the money, sell their database of contact details to spammers, and if they're found enough suckers, set some sort of weird pyramid scheme: > From the business generated by the Free Software Consortium, the Agent > company will receive 20% of the value of the contract, and the Consultant > or Consulting company will receive 80%. There is a Latin American Free Software Consortium associated with the UN, but it's not these guys. This appears quite real: UNESCO promotes a free software consortium in LA&C http://lacnet.unicttaskforce.org/en/vernoticias.asp?cod=0000000034 Consorcio de Desarrolladores y Usuarios de Software Libre http://www.unesco.org.uy/informatica/consorcio/ Merry Christmas and bah humbug, Glyn -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz

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Sponsorship
by Craig Box 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

There's a few points that have come up in the Netraverse discussion I'd like to add my 2c to. 1. Sponsorship. It's fair enough to assume that companies will want some 'return' on their sponsorship, from their logo printed on the T-shirts that they paid for through to a simple listing on our web site. If we were to accept Netraverse's offer, post to the list (one time) that they were sponsoring us - hell, this debate has done more to raise awareness of the existance of their company and their product than one post to the list ever would. Note that there is already a page at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugSponsors page, where we currently pay our dues to Computer Upgrades 2000 Ltd for buying our domain name for us. Net4U will be added to that page as soon as we get hold of Sahil and get Hoiho hosted (We've been trying, but he hasn't been available.) If we were to ad a small link, even perhaps a banner, to that page, then we'd be fulfilling our requirement to Netraverse and I don't really think I'd call it selling out. 2. There are people who use Linux for every explainable reason. Some use it because it is beer-free, and couldn't give a toss about the source code being available or that it's protected by the GPL (Free with a capital F). These people are no less worthy of supporting - some might not even know about the source code ideals because the mass media are really good at saying "Linux is free" and not explaining what that means. 3. Programmers have to eat just as much as expensive consultants do. It's considered OK for people to make money supporting Linux, and I think it should be just as welcomed that people make money writing Linux applications. How many Windows programmers do you think have "paid their dues to Microsoft" (for creating such a nice mishmash of cruddy abstractions and calling it an OS? :) While it's very nice to think that every application for Linux will be OSS and Free, that's not necessary. If Adobe ported Photoshop to Linux and charged for it, it would be worth paying for. There is no full OSS equivalent. Perhaps the action of this happening might even charge people to work on something like The GIMP until it _is_ a full OSS equivalent. People without too much knowledge or interest in computers want to be able to make a quick educated decision about what is good and what is not good, or have a trusted advisor make that decision for them. As Daniel was saying, Linux isn't the answer to every question. It might be one day, but even then, it might not be totally OSS. We shouldn't go burning potential bridges over ideoligical disagreements. While at this point there's only a 'free' copy of Win4Lin at stake, which seems like another VMWare, it's a decision that might pop up in future when it comes to sponsorship, and it's good that it's being discussed now. Craig

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Free Software vs Open Source.
by Oliver Jones 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

Someone posted to the list about the reason for the term Open Source. The term Open Source was coined by Eric S. Raymond. He founded the Open Source Initiative. (www.opensource.org) The reason he chose this term was because of his own perceived confusion with the word Free. He figured that if Free Software was to be promoted to the business community it needed a more business friendly name. He figured, rightly, that ,ost business people would associate free with dollars and not liberty. Hence the term Open Source. The Open Source Initiative promotes Open Source Software mostly because of pragmatic ideals. Eg, OSS is cheaper, higher quality, easier to adapt, etc etc. The Free Software Foundation however still uses the term Free (as in Liberty) Software. RMS founded the FSF and remains its most vocal and well known personality. The GNU System (GCC, Bash, binutils, fileutils, GNOME, etc etc) is all copyright the FSF. The FSF is a much more idealistic organisation. RMS often makes the distinction that Free Software and Open Source Software are different and that he does not endorse Open Source. This is true. Something can fall under the Open Source definition but not be 'Free Software'. Generally in the FSF's view only software covered by the GPL is really Free Software. Though there are probably some other licenses that are very similar to the GPL that could be classed as Free Software Licenses too. The Open Source Definition is more relaxed. Stuff with BSD and MIT licenses are Open Source but probably not 'Free Software' as the FSF would define it. Anyway to really educate yourself about the difference between OSS and FS you should read up about the topic on www.opensource.org and www.gnu.org. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] Netraverse
by kyle carter 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28, Oliver Jones wrote: > > I dont see it as whoring.. i see it as evaluating software, closed source > > or open, it is evaluating a software package. > > I actually find the 'we only want to use open source software' ideals of > > RMS grating.. its the outcome, whatever is used to do the job, WHO > > CARES. ie using word or staroffice .. if you only want to print a > > letter.. who cares what software made it.. the important thing is the > > letter gets to the paper. > > "I only want to wear my shorts. Who cares if it is made by well paid > New Zealanders or exploited little Jamu from Indonesia." ;) yep.. i cant tell where my shorts come from, however i also make a point to support trade aid. > I take it that Kyle only uses Linux because it is "free, as in beer". I use it because it does what i want.. it masquerades, firewalls and runs my webserver reliably. the free is just a bonus. > > > Now why would we need to do that? ;) > > > > People do need software that is only available under windows currently... > > even if its only 1 package for windows out of the 10 they use, if that is > > a critical app, they arent going to change > > This is true. I still haven't found a decent Small Business accounting > app, up to the quality of QuickBooks, for Linux. OpenSource or Closed. > Though in this case software line Wine can obliviate the need for a > Windows license. Exactly.. 1 app you need cross-platform ability for currently. -- Kyle Carter

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Re: [wlug] Netraverse
by Daniel Appleton 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

> How about a sponsorship page then? I for one am > certainly not against > the LUG having sponsors. That sounds good. Daniel http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year!

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Re: [wlug] Next meeting
by James Spooner 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

I can if necessary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Swami" <sns(a)paradise.net.nz> To: "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] Next meeting > > Someone should probably make it more clear that THERE WILL BE A > > MEETING AT CRAWSHAW SCHOOL *TOMORROW* AT 7:30PM. > > > > http://www.wlug.org.nz/CrawshawSchool > > > > -- Matthias > > My car is busy ferrying others tonight after I get dropped off at the > school. Is there anyone who is passing through the main city or > thereabouts _after_ the talk? I'd appreciate a lift some of the way > back if possible. > > Thanks. > Sid. >

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Re: [wlug] WineX 2.2.1 just released
by Oliver Jones 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

As an alternative to Wine you could try something like VMWare (or Plex86). I use VMWare a lot to run my accounting package. VMWare works ok on XTerms I believe. I've not tried plex86. Also, you might want to try Crossover Office (www.codeweavers.com) as it runs all of office 2000 pretty well so it might run the app in question. I use CodeWeavers other product (Crossover Plugin) to run Quicktime et al under Linux. Regards On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 22:12, Greig McGill wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:10, Oliver Jones wrote: > > As I have mentioned on this list before, I subscribed to TransGaming's > > WineX software. For those of you who don't know, WineX is a commerical > > fork of the WINE codebase specifically intended for gaming. > > This got me thinking. > > At work, I have a client who would benefit greatly by moving to Linux > desktops, and remote X apps. The only issue (and isn't it always?) is > that they are dependent on one really crappy windows app. > I've tried using std. wine, but with little success (as with most real > windows apps and wine in my experience). I wondered if winex fares much > better for non-games related software? > > Have you tried any random windows apps? > > I'd love to hear the results. -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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I wiki'ed my drive partitioning advice.
by Oliver Jones 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

I wiki'ed my drive partitioning advice. Arn't I nice and helpful.. ;) www.wlug.org.nz/DrivePartitioning Additional edits/advice would probably be good. Later -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] RedHat 8 CD-R's
by Oliver Jones 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

Yeah good idea. Thanks for that. Regards On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 19:23, Aaron Martin wrote: They are actually on the Jetstream games ftp server, so you can change the login on your jetstream modem / router to user(a)jetstreamgames.co.nz and then download them at high speed for free. I just did it and it took 1 hour 15 minutes to download. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver Jones To: Waikato Linux Users Group Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: [wlug] RedHat 8 CD-R's Can someone please write me out a set of RH8 CDR's and mail them to me. I'm willing to re-emburse for time and media. I just can't afford to download the ISO's myself on my JetStream link. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238 -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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RE: [wlug] wlug seal
by David Nicholls 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

or then theres this... just for fun... -----Original Message----- From: Martin Baehr [mailto:mbaehr(a)email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at] Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2002 9:18 a.m. To: David Nicholls Cc: WLUG (E-mail) Subject: Re: [wlug] wlug seal On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:06:09AM +1200, David Nicholls wrote: > simple easy and quick.... specially for a rubber stamp. > comments? nice, the text micht be rotated a bit to have the (incorporated) right at the bottom. greetings, martin. -- interrested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer travelling in europe open-steam.org csl-gmbh.net (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unix bahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/

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Re: [wlug] filesystems for large drives
by Daniel Lawson 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

> > >It was pointed out on some list I can't remember some while ago that >commercial fs's like xfs and jfs have a huge(!) amount of testing >capability behind them in the lab with facilities individual open >source developers simply don't have. That discussion was only covering >one of IBM or SGI, but I'd guess it holds for both. > > You are implying that all open-source projects are run by individuals? Redhat at least might beg to differ... :) >Personally I would trust reiserfs, xfs and jfs but not ext3 but ext3 is >out anyway. If it's not out of the box by the distro it's dead. > > I'm not sure what you are saying here? I read the above as saying that ext3 isn't 'out of the box' - which it is? Just confusing wording I guess. >Various file systems are optimised for various things like small file >support, nfs support, etc. I don't know enough about it, but the >reiserfs site has good concise info at what reiserfs is good at and >what isn't implemented yet. I guess if you really wanted to know you'd >have to put the same files on all three and test with the situation >which is most important to you. > As a reiserfs advocate, you might know: Does NFS work over reiser yet? I had reiser corruption once, when I foolishly NFS mounted my home partition (a reiser volume). And a quick google search should uncover plenty of benchmarks on fs comparison. Of course, they always show their benchmarkers favourite fs as being the best, but thats what you get with benchmarks... :) Daniel

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