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Re: [wlug] Learning the CLI ... using the wiki as well
by S Swami 04 Aug '03

04 Aug '03

On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 03:47:54PM +1200, S Swami wrote: > ... > I think that the offer that we have for live CLI tutorials using Rute > is great. But we need also to provide ongoing help. Is it possible > to make further use of our excellent infrastructure: the wiki? Can > we have portions of the rute with comments from us and perhaps with > one or more people proof-reading this part of the wiki? > > Please note that I'm not suggesting that we should not have live > demonstrations. > Woops, this was in response to a post on the committee list* and not to Gavin's stuff which definitely needs a live demonstration. Sorry. Sid. * which I can't send to anyway (and that's a good thing :-)

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Re: [wlug] Compare 2 directories with each other.
by Michael Cree 01 Aug '03

01 Aug '03

> > On 1 Aug 2003, Oliver Jones wrote: > > > > > Howdy. Anyone know of a command that lets you compare the contents of > > > two different dirs? [Various suggestions using diff/ls/tree deleted]. I used to use a shell script that would use diff to compare two directories and all their subdirectories. I mainly used it to verify that a backup CD of crucial data had been written correctly. I have since written it as a perl script which is a bit nicer. Note that I have never got around to tidying up this script to use proper arguments, etc. It currently is set to comparing the current directory to the CD. Edit the line "@totals = &dodir(".","/media/cdrom");" if you want to change the directories it uses. Cut out the script from below and save it as whatever you want to call it and remember to set the execute bit on it. #!/usr/bin/perl # sub dodir { local ($dir) = $_[0]; local ($refdir) = $_[1]; local (@totals) = (0,0,0,0); opendir(F,$dir) || die "ERROR: cannot opendir $dir"; foreach $name (sort readdir(F)) { if ($name ne "." && $name ne "..") { $fullname = $dir . "/" . $name; $refname = $refdir . "/" . $name; if (-d $fullname) { printf "%-50s [d] ", $fullname; if (! -d $refname) { print "ERROR - not on CD\n"; $totals[0]++; }else{ print "(entering)\n"; @subtot = dodir($fullname, $refname); $totals[0] = $totals[0] + $subtot[0]; $totals[1] = $totals[1] + $subtot[1]; $totals[2] = $totals[2] + $subtot[2]; $totals[3] = $totals[3] + $subtot[3]; } }elsif (-f $fullname) { printf "%-50s ... ",$fullname; if (! -f $refname) { print "ERROR - not on CD\n"; $totals[1]++; }else{ $retval = system("cmp -s '$refname' '$fullname'"); if ($retval != 0) { print "ERROR - files differ.\n"; $totals[2]++; }else{ print "OK.\n"; } } }else{ printf "%-50s [can't handle]\n",$fullname ; $totals[3]++; } } } closedir(F); @totals; } $ok = 1; @totals = &dodir(".","/media/cdrom"); print "\n"; if ($totals[3] > 0) { if ($totals[3] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one [reference] file that I couldn't read.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[3] [reference] files that I couldn't read.\n"; } } if ($totals[0] > 0) { $ok = 0; if ($totals[0] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one missing directory.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[0] missing directories.\n"; } } if ($totals[1] > 0) { $ok = 0; if ($totals[1] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one missing file.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[1] missing files.\n"; } } if ($totals[2] > 0) { $ok = 0; if ($totals[2] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one bad file.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[2] bad files.\n"; } } if ($ok) { print "All OK.\n"; } Cheers Michael

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Re: [wlug] The LUG is a beast of many backs
by Gavin Denby 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

Yes but if after a few nights of playing your adrenaline level is not raised, then you just are not geek material. On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 04:54 PM, Alastair Porter wrote: > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:39, Gavin Denby wrote: >> SO rather than comparing, Get a CD or set up linux on a drive, and >> spend a few evenings playing with stuff and finding out how to do >> something under Linux, But be warned its very addictive. > A few? > I spent probally 3 nights a week for the best part of a year and a bit > playing with linux just experimenting. > I didn't expect to know everything all at once, and by just learning > bit > by bit, i have built up quite a nice knowlede (AFAIC)

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RE: [wlug] Memory for weird things.
by Lindsay Druett 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Well, up until now, I had been using Kingston RAM in Cisco devices, however, if the equipment is under warranty and/or under contract with Cisco directly, then there is a fundamental issue with using Kingston RAM which is not the case with using the RAM from these guys. These guys seem to be cheaper than purchasing Kingston RAM for Cisco devices from TP. That's also taking in account exchange rates, delivery, etc. Also with my experience with delivery, well, let's put it this way. If Federal Express opened business in New Zealand, then all the other couriers (CourierPost, NZ Couriers, etc, etc) would be out of business within no time. -----Original Message----- From: David Nicholls Sent: Thu 24/07/2003 9:16 a.m. To: wlug Cc: Subject: RE: [wlug] Memory for weird things. jeepers you guys, why not just order kingston ram? you can order equivalents for every system from dell to hp to whatever, and its cheaper. thats what the uni does. we just go to the kingston site and match system codes to get the right ram (i think its the us site so the price roughly doubles of course), then we order from NZ suppliers. theres bound to be someone around who is cheaper than our "oficial" supplier (tech pacific) that gets in kingston ram. cheers... david -----Original Message----- Oliver Jones wrote: > Howdy. Thought I'd let people know I've found and awesome supplier of > weird memory. I wanted to upgrade our HP 1300 from it's puny 16MB of > ram to 80MB. Basically so large OpenOffice docs print without barfing > half way through. Techpac are the suppliers of HP gear in NZ. Their > prices for ram upgrades on printers are stupidly high. Well you can get > 64MB upgrade for a 1300 from www.MemoryX.net <http://www.MemoryX.net> for 30 USD + ~ 30 USD for > FedEx express. It costs 10 times as much to buy the same ram from > Techpac. The goods arrived within a week of ordering in perfect condition. My printer could definitely use another 64MB of memory at that price. Does anyone who has a credit card want to put an order together and share the cost of shipping? -- Matthias _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug> -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz <mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> § www.deeperdesign.com <http://www.deeperdesign.com> § +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] Configuring a firewall
by Craig Box 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

> I'm trying to set up a firewall to hopefully prevent being hacked again. > Since the machine is a dialup (until DSL comes to Hikutaia) I figure > that it's got to be pretty straightforward. > > The machine is also a workstation and file/print/mail/dnscache etc > server for my home office network of itself plus 2 or 3 other machines. > > The whole issue of what firewall software to use seems a bit confusing, > but I think I've figured out that ipmasq does what I need. I've > installed it and read the debian ipmasq users manual but I'm not sure > what to do next. According to the manual I configure it using > dpkg-reconfigure. I've done that and selected the ppp option. If I were you, I'd start by reading http://www.wlug.org.nz/HowFirewallingWorks, I'd skim-read about how Perry's firewalling script works (at http://www.wlug.org.nz/PerrysFirewallingScript) and then I would install the .deb, which I'd find at http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/debian/linuxserver-firewall_0.3_all.deb. (hint: wget the file, then dpkg -i) Then, you need to go into /etc/linuxserver-firewall/interfaces.d, check the mapping between interfaces and classes (which you learnt about in your skim-read), edit the files as required and type '/etc/init.d/linuxserver-firewall restart' And then you're done, and you did some good learning along the way too. ;) Future versions of the Debian package will do automatic guessing of interfaces and network addresses. Someday. This message bought to you by "When in doubt, ask the Wiki" Craig

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Re: [wlug] Configuring a firewall
by Gavin Denby 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Glen I sent you a long text off list, Hope it helps Covers IP routing and stuff, You probably only need the last bit, but ut was easier to send it all to you. Good luck I cheated, got a 486, installed IPCOP firewall, web configured and very nice, My router also has a firewall, so I'm now behind 2 of them On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 07:43 PM, Glenn Ramsey wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to set up a firewall to hopefully prevent being hacked > again. Since the machine is a dialup (until DSL comes to Hikutaia) I > figure that it's got to be pretty straightforward. > > The machine is also a workstation and file/print/mail/dnscache etc > server for my home office network of itself plus 2 or 3 other > machines. > > The whole issue of what firewall software to use seems a bit > confusing, but I think I've figured out that ipmasq does what I need. > I've installed it and read the debian ipmasq users manual but I'm not > sure what to do next. According to the manual I configure it using > dpkg-reconfigure. I've done that and selected the ppp option. > > What next? The manual doesn't say any more, does that mean that it's > automatically configured? Do I need to learn the details of iptables > so I can confirm that it is correct or is there an easier way? > Currently I don't really have the time to do that so if the answer to > the last question is yes then can you guys suggest someone who I could > pay to do it? > > Thanks > g > > -- > Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 > http://www.componic.co.nz > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Memory for weird things.
by Oliver Jones 21 Jul '03

21 Jul '03

Howdy. Thought I'd let people know I've found and awesome supplier of weird memory. I wanted to upgrade our HP 1300 from it's puny 16MB of ram to 80MB. Basically so large OpenOffice docs print without barfing half way through. Techpac are the suppliers of HP gear in NZ. Their prices for ram upgrades on printers are stupidly high. Well you can get 64MB upgrade for a 1300 from www.MemoryX.net for 30 USD + ~ 30 USD for FedEx express. It costs 10 times as much to buy the same ram from Techpac. The goods arrived within a week of ordering in perfect condition. Regards -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz § www.deeperdesign.com § +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] telephone and linux
by Gavin Denby 20 Jul '03

20 Jul '03

For some reason when I type vcopsystems.com, my mozilla browser corrects my obvious mistake to www.vcopsystems.com and it fails, even when it folow the link it works in that i see the page, but the address bar shows the www, which is wrong, thus my cut and paste was wrong link, in short annoying, Galeon does the same, so its probably an error in the core, must be time to upgrade it. All the rest of my mozilla installs work fine. its just that machine, its also the first time I've noticed it. On 19 Jul 2003 23:03:19 +1200 zcat <zcat(a)themall.co.nz> wrote: > > http://vcopsystem.com > > > > But I can get it if i Type it in too, Weird. > > try vocpsystem.com > > Strangely, that's the first hit when you search for vcop too. go > figure.. > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: Is linux better or not? Was: Re: [wlug] victory for linux in munich!
by Daniel Lawson 16 Jul '03

16 Jul '03

> > >If you define a metric, it's easy to say "Foo is better than bar". > > Yes. But you have to be careful that you are actually comparing on the metric, and not on your interpretation of the metric, or on the metric but influenced by some hidden factor (ie Mindcraft or whoever they were benchmarks) >Back to the point of the metric, the page was designed to say "This program, >if you use X on Windows, will do it on Linux." And the short answer is that >it won't. You will find that it does some things better (might be more >stable, might have more functions), but it does some things worse. Or >everything differently. > > We have no idea what they want to use it for on Windows though. For you to make the statement on the wiki, along the lines of 'All this linux sofware is at a basic equivalence level with its Windows partner' is completely missing the point, that you actually have no idea what people want to do with it or not. Moreover, the statement as it stands is highly likely to put anyone off using the alternatives - they are only a basic equivalent after all.[1] One example here. Gnumeric is a very polished replacement for Excel. It supports all the Excel spreadsheet functions, and a whole lot more. It doesn't have VBA, but I'm to understand that it supports perl/python/tcl scripting instead. It has a graph builder, advanced mathematical support, solver support, etc etc, and can even read / write Excel95/97/2k etc files. This is completely irrelevant if the user wants to build a basic spreadsheet with a few SUM and AVERAGE functions thrown in, and some formatting. Its completely irrelevant if the user is actually, due to its nice column layout structure, using it to generate a template for school reports. I have no idea what the user wants to use it for, and therefore I can only suggest that it might do the job. Likewise: VS is perhaps the de facto IDE under windows. Thats nice. It's entirely possible you'd be able to code just as well, if not better, under vim, or emacs, or joe, with another xterm open and use of make / gdb and cvs. It is perhaps worth noting that joe isn't as feature-full as VS (in fact, its just a text editor), but that is rather different from implying that there is no way to do the things you do in VS, under linux. >If your concern is "Linux Acts Just Like Windows Does" then Windows scores >100% and Linux scores in the lower half of the spectrum. That was the point >I was trying to make. Linux's goal isn't to OSS Windows (interestingly, > > If you meant this, you said it very badly. As what you had said sounded more like "Nothing under Linux does as good a job as the Windows version", which is a very broad reaching statement, and I might add, highly subjective based on your view of what people actually want to do with a program under Windows or Linux. It *is* fair to say that there are differences in the program, and that while Openoffice.Org Writer or Abiword might, at first blush, be an adequate replacement for MS Word, but lack some features that *some* people *might* want, but that wasn't what you were saying. While we're on the discussion of that wiki page, it was asking for what people use instead of a program under Windows. I dont use Windows. So instead of using MS Word, I use Abiword. It doesn't matter at all if its feature-equivalent to the MS Word. It's WHAT I USE UNDER LINUX. Likewise, I use gvim/gcc/make/cvs/gdb under Linux for development. It's *my* IDE. Highly subjective, of course, but the page was asking for individual responses. >there is a project that aims to do this, and they almost have NT4's cmd.exe >down pat). It will keep evolving whichever way it does. Linux doesn't have >the commercial app support (and it may never, and it may never matter). You >can't do everything you can do in Windows on it. But the price of freedom > > I dont see that 'you can't do everything you can do in Windows on it' is true. I *can* do everything that *I* do in Windows under linux. You can propose that 'Joe Windows User' would say otherwise if you like, but until we actually have a good, objective, understanding of what 'Joe Windows User' actually does with his computer, then its all speculation, and as I pointed out before, highly subjective and based on our own view. As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing stopping people using linux as a desktop fulltime. You disagree. Who of us is right? Daniel (From his linux desktop, on which he does all his work, and all the stuff he would want to do in Windows) [1] IF you want to do real comparisons, then do a feature matrix. And do full comparisons, so list things that both equivalents do, or perhaps grade them if you think one is better. Phil's comparison of The Gimp to Photoshop is a good candidate here, as would a comparison bettween MS Office and Abiword, Gnumeric, Oo.O, Kword, etc etc.

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Re: [wlug] Poster
by S Swami 14 Jul '03

14 Jul '03

On Monday July 4:57pm, Daniel Appleton wrote: > hmm... > > HTTP Error > Status : 504 Gateway Time-Out > > Description : Unable to connect to origin Web server. > > Note : If necessary, please contact your Systems > Administrator for resolution. > > > --- Craig Box <craig(a)dubculture.co.nz> wrote: > Hi > everyone, > > > If you want a poster for the upcoming LUG meeting > > that you can print out and > > put up in suitable places, see > > http://ellusions.meta.net.nz/~crb/wlug.pdf > > > > Craig Works from KMail with "save link as". Sid.

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Mandrake 9.1 and Red Hat 9
by Matthias Dallmeier 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Anyone who wants a three-CD set of Mandrake 9.1 or Red Hat 9, please let me know as soon as possible and bring along $5 to the meeting on Monday. If you cannot afford $5 or are not interested in attending the meeting, feel free to bring your own blank CDs (including at least one additional CD for the obligatory coaster) to 35 Galway Ave, Hamilton East and I can put Mandrake 9.1 or Red Hat 9 on them for free. Please write me an e-mail or give me a call on 021 615104 to make an "appointment" before you turn up at my place though. Thank you. -- Matthias

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Re: [wlug] Anyone Got A Copy Of Mandrake Linux
by Andre Henry 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

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Anyone Got A Copy Of Mandrake Linux
by Andre Henry 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Hey Everyone Does anyone have a copy of mandrake linux that i can have or buy. Or if you have jetstream and are able to download it for me it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Alot Andre Henry

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Next Meeting: Mon 23 June. Wireless Networking and Linux
by Daniel Lawson 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Wireless Networking and Linux, Monday 23rd June. This will be a presentation by CRCNet (http://www.crc.net.nz/) <http://www.crc.net.nz>, part of the WAND Research Group (http://www.wand.net.nz/) in the Computer Science Department at the University of Waikato. It will be held in the room A.G.11, at 7:30 pm on the 23rd of June 2003. (directions will be posted on the WLUG wiki at Currently looks to be about wireless networking in general, a quick show-and-tell of some wireless gear, and discussion of the CRCNet wireless network.

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question...
by David Nicholls 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

quick one for you guys. who is hosting our hardware at the mo'? and is anyone sponsoring bandwidth etc? David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant School of Science & Technology/Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

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student web hosting
by Terry Cole 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Can anyone give me any help, please. The so called "free" web hosting seem to have inappropriate advertising, this sometimes appears after you have set up your web pages. I would like some of my students to be able to publish their web pages on the net, but would like a simple way of uploading and editing their own work. I don't want to FTP in and I would like them to be able to do this from the class as well as home. Are there any scripts out there that could help me in setting this up. I could then run them from our own domain. Thanks Terry & Kay Cole Rotorua, New Zealand mailto:terry(a)cole.gen.nz mailto:kay(a)cole.gen.nz http://www.cole.gen.nz http://www.websnz.com

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student web hosting
by Terry Cole 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Sorry folks, I might not of made my self clear. I have web hosting and I can run scripts etc from there. I don't want to use FTP. I am teaching HTML to students. I want them to be able to upload, edit etc like Orion explains. I have tried Easy Host, works well but can not edit on line unless you purchase full version. I want to also set it up on the school server (RH9). Please keep the suggestions coming. Cheers Terry & Kay Cole Rotorua, New Zealand mailto:terry(a)cole.gen.nz mailto:kay(a)cole.gen.nz http://www.cole.gen.nz http://www.websnz.com

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WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away
by Bruce Kingsbury 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Today is 19/06/2003 The WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away June 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22[23]24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Wireless Networking and Linux, Monday 23rd June. This will be a presentation by http CRCnet , part of the http WAND Research Group in the Computer Science Department at the University of Waikato. The meeting will be about wireless networking in general. This will include how to make wireless work under Linux, a quick show-and-tell of some wireless gear, and discussion of the CRCnet wireless network. It will be held at the university in the room A.G.11, at 7:30 pm on the 23rd of June 2003. A.G.11 is about half way down the main corridor on the ground floor of A block. You should walk in Gate 8 off of Hillcrest road. Parking is available on Hillcrest road and as the meeting is after hours you can use the managment staff carpark in Gate 7. A full map of the univeristy is available from http here. NOTE: The room above is a firm booking at the moment, but it has not been confirmed. It may change at any time up to and including Monday the 23rd of June. Watch this space ! http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/hillcrest-map.png http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/unimap.gif _________________________________________________________________

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OT IRC channel formed
by Nick Elder 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Hi, Just thought I would mention that a handfull of linux users have started an IRC chat room for NZ linux users. It is called #nzlinux and it is on the freenode network. Many will be aware of such a channel by the same name on the undernet network. Well the new freenode room is a channel formed and being run by a different group of enthusiasts. We are trying to create a friendly environment where new and seasoned NZ linux users can swap ideas on linux, or have a chat on anything in general, and hopefully have fun at the same time. cheers, Nick Elder <NickelZ> ref: http://www.freenode.org/irc_servers.shtml

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Bruce Kingsbury 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

Today is 16/06/2003 The WLUG meeting is one week away June 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22[23]24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Next WLUG Meeting: 2003-06-23 ? Wireless Networking and Linux, Monday 23rd June Edit the MeetingTopics page to add suggestions that you'd like to see!

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Re: [wlug] Mandrake 9.1
by Craig Mckenna 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Yes I would be after all 3 CDs On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 02:37, Daniel Appleton wrote: > I'd just download it for ya but I dont have a cd > writer, so.. not much point. > > Are you after all 3 cds? > > > --- Gavin Denby <redhat(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > If no > one closer, I have it in Ngaruawahia > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 12:12, Craig Mckenna wrote: > > > > > Anyone have this locally? > > > > > > Looking for a copy for a friend > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list > > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Craig Mckenna IT Systems Manager Eforms Limited

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Re: [wlug] tonights meeting
by Jamie Curtis 26 May '03

26 May '03

> My final demonstration, which I didn't get working, was with a suite > called PXES. This is an initrd image of a minimal linux installation. > I'm not sure which distribution it started with however. Basically, it > downloads a 20 MB file which it then uncompresses into a ramdisk, and > runs linux out of this. Information on it can be found at its > sourceforge page, http://pxes.sourceforge.net Looking at the SF page, it appears that the compresed file is approximatly 4.7mb. However they don't say what the resident size is in the ram disk, which concerns me about how much memory you would need to run this. If the ramdisk isn't compressed, it could take upto 15 - 20mb of ram, and once you add X onto that you are really going to be pushing a 32mb machine. Do you have any feelings about this or experiances with how much ram you do really need ? I couldn't find anything about this on their pages. Jamie

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Question about routing
by Jodi Thomson 08 May '03

08 May '03

Howdy I'm looking for a way of routing ports 7210, 7220, 7230, 7240, 7250, 7280 and 7285 from one IP to another using masquerading eg incoming traffic on 130.217.xxx.xx1 and outgoing on 130.217.xxx.xx2 UDP and TCP This is to solve a problem we're having with offsite connections to our new library system server Query 1)Are these ports routable in the linux kernel? Query 2) Can some give an example ipchains/iptables rules of how I might go about this? (I'm not overly fluent with creating these) Cheers Jodi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before."

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Re: [wlug] Mail problems with Mandrake 9.1
by Daniel Lawson 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

> If kppp dials in with my modem under root no problems. However if I > dial in under my username the modem dials and seems to connect but > mozilla mail doesn't download my mail. It comes up with a message > resolving host pop.ihug.co.nz and stays there and doesn't download my > mail . I have changed my permisions on /dev/modem and made sure I have > the correct permissions for Mozilla mail and it also seems I have the > same problem web browsing does anybody know what files I would have to > change the permissions on. It may be a stupid question but I don't know. What this sounds like is a problem resolving if you dial in as a user, not as root. To test this, try connecting to the Internet as your username, and open up a terminal and issue the following command: /bin/ping -c 5 202.27.184.3 This will send 5 ICMP ping packets to one of xtra's nameservers (which you should be able to ping from anywhere). If this doesn't work, it either means that your ISP is brokenly firewalling ICMP, or that you haven't in fact connected. If this does work fine, then the problem is probably that your resolver isn't being set correctly when you log in as your user. If you could issue the following commands (while you are dialed in as your user) and give us the output it would be good ls -la /etc/resolv.conf cat /etc/resolv.conf

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Re: [wlug] Hating RPMs.
by Glyn Webster 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

> -- > You will contract a rare disease. SARS! I saw a Chinese man cough yesterday. (I saw it happen on TV, but sometimes that's all it takes!) -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz

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