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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by DrWho? 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

At 15:49 15/04/2004, you wrote: > > I would think, providing something like Partition Magic is available ( > > which I have and no doubt others ) to do the job it could be offered as > > an option for those who are not competent with doing it themselves or > > installing new hardware. > >Oh? Does the license allow that? >Even so, it's still far more risk/hassle than we need I believe. It can run from a boot disk, no install on target PC needed. > > I have resized MANY NTFS and FAT partitions with PQMAGIC and never had a > > problem, not to say there have not or will not be any problems, but > > there is also the option of ghosting their HDD before the resize. > >To what? Are you providing the disk space? >Remember this is an afternoon workshop. Good question, that is one minor problem with ghost.... perhaps a spare 40G HDD?? Or setup a ghost server on a PC with some disk space and ghost over a network? >-- >Greig McGill > > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

The WLUG meeting is one week away ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Linux as a Personal Video Recorder ([PVR]). In particular, looking at [MythTV], although I'll investigate the other options if I have time. Date: Monday 26 April 2004%%% Time: 7:00pm onwards - __Please note new time!__ %%% Location: Probably at CrawshawSchool%%%

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[installfest] Hard Disk Repartitioning
by Matt Brown 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

In light of the recent frenzy of discussion regarding hard disk partitioning and the InstallFest I would like to clarify what the official position of the WLUG Committee on this issue is. WLUG (and it's representatives) will not be responsible for repartitioning or backing up hard disks at the InstallFest. All data backup and disk preparation tasks (such as ensuring there is sufficient unpartitioned space) are the responsibility of the owner of the computer and should be completed before attending the InstallFest. The minimum requirements that we have specified for hard disks for the install fest are either a) You are willing to wipe the entire disk (which is at least 5GB in size) and have Linux installed. OR b) There is at least 5GB of UNPARTITIONED space available on the disk. The rationale behind this position can be found on the InstallFest wiki page at http://www.wlug.org.nz/InstallFest along with other information related to hardware requirements. If people have further general comments on Free hard disk partitioning tools that are available for use in Linux then you are most welcome to post them to the list, however I would suggest that any disk partitioning issues related solely to the InstallFest have already been well and truly flogged and any more discussion would be counter productive. Questions or concerns about any aspect of the position stated above can be directed to myself or any other member of the committee. Regards -- Matt Brown Email: matt(a)mattb.net.nz GSM : 021 611 544

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by Wayne Rooney 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

>Also, to Wayne, who decided that because a process "works for him" it's >infallible, and 100% safe for all, I've seen plenty of PM partitioning >problems in my time, and it's the benchmark. I didn't say it was infallible. I said it was designed to fail safe. qtparted resizes NTFS partitions with ntfsresize. Part of "man ntfsresize" says: KNOWN ISSUES No reliability problems are known or has been reported. If you need help please try the ntfsresize FAQ first (see below) and if you dont find your answer then send your question, comment or bug report to <linux-ntfs-dev(a)lists.sourceforge.net>. No subscription is needed but the mailing list is moderated and it can take some time to approve your post. There are some very rarely met limitations at present: filesystems having bad sectors, highly fragmented Master File Table (MFT), relocation of the first MFT extent and resizing in the middle of some metadata in some cases arent supported yet. These cases are detected and resizing is refused, restricted to a safe size or the closest safe size is displayed. --------- I like the words "no reliability problems are known" The fact that you've seen problems with OTHER software doesn't mean that THIS software is no good, does it? If you've had problems with qtparted then do share them so we know what to look out for. >So forgive me if I don't >really want to see the WLUG put its balls on the block guaranteeing the >safety of the user's data. That's why you get them to sign a waiver. Why would you want to guarantee somebodys data? That's asking for trouble. An installfest should be all care and no responsibility. Check out this waiver: http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/sigunix/installfest/waiver.shtml Wayne

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by Wayne Rooney 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

>No backups necessary then? > >Cool, so it can predict a power outage? Wow! :-) Smartarse ;-P Yes, actually, it takes a reading from /dev/crystalball and uses KStars to get an alignment of the planets and only resizes partitions if there are no power outages in the near future. Wayne

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Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
by Oliver Jones 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

I'm about to put the Game Return to Castle Wolfenstein on TradeMe. RTCW is a great first person shooter and as a bonus works in Linux as a native app! A rare thing with Loki games now gone. http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_detail.asp?id=10582307 If you're interested place a bid. I'd get a kick out of seeing another Linux gamer enjoy this game. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by Wayne Rooney 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

>You do not need to install it as it will run from a boot disk, or in my >case a boot CD. Read your licence agreement again carefully, Doctor. Then perhaps visit http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html from which comes the following quote: "Partition Magic is one solution -- except that Linux user groups cannot lawfully keep a copy on hand to use on visitors' machines, even if they're willing to spend the money. Advising them to buy a copy and come back is lawful, but not very appealing." Wayne

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Issues with BIND
by Craig Box 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

(Passing on the message from Drew. Note to everyone, messages you send from unsubscribed addresses get dropped! -- Craig) I am having issues with a SINGLE domain "corrupt.co.nz", every other domain is fine! Here's the deal: Bind logs return nothing like they usually would saying there was an error with the domain. I can dig to ALL of my AUTH NS servers, and get the records returned no problemo. I can use XTRA, DTS (and a few others have used their own DNS servers) and get returned results without any SERVFAIL errors. I try to dig anything to the PARADISE NS servers (203.96.152{4,12}) and I get mixed results. I get www.corrupt.co.nz and corrupt.co.nz, but none of my overly important records (home.corrupt.co.nz, mail.corrupt.co.nz) It returns SERVFAIL id:2 whenever I try to request anything other then www.corrupt.co.nz / corrupt.co.nz via PARADISES NS Servers Any ideas? I have contacted soa(a)paradise.net.nz but god knows how long that will take to be processed. - Drew

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RE: [wlug] Prefered Mail Client
by David Nicholls 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

> Strip back the FUD; apply the standard "there are security holes in Linux applications > fixed all the time, but Gartner Group rarely complains about them, and if they do, it > gets written off as anti-MS propaganda"... One interesting point I think people offten tend to miss when the Gartner Group or other such company is counting bugs/security warnings/year in linux versus windows codebases is that for linux they never differentiate between the O/S itself and the apps that are included with the distros. They like to lump them all in together to get the most number of bugs possible. My suspicion is, if they only looked at the O/S itself they would have a much harder time finding problems. Cheers... david

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by Wayne Rooney 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

>Resizing is a very risky option; the very LAST thing we want is people >who say "I tried to install Linux once, and lost all my data because if >it.". Especially if we were helping them at the time. No, no, no. Resizing is very easy and safe. Boot computer off Knoppix cd. Open an x-term. Type "sudo su <enter>" Type "qtparted <enter>" Click on the edge of the partition you want to resize and drag it to the new size you want. Click "ok" And you're done. And it handles NTFS partitions. And it fails safe, that is, if something is going to go wrong (which it never has for me) it throws up an error message and quits BEFORE making changes to the hard drive. Try it. You'll like it. Wayne

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Upcoming committee meeting
by Craig Box 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

Per the WLUG charter, we'd like to inform you that there is an WLUG committee meeting to be held next Wednesday, 21 April. Tentative Agenda 1. Minutes from previous meeting 2. Treasurer's Report 3. Correspondence 4. Committee Mailing List - effectiveness & policy regarding posting 5. Committee - Purpose, Direction, Relationship to WLUG 6. Resignation, Greig McGill 7. General Business If you want to have an item added to this agenda, please contact me at secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. Craig, Secretary

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installing new kernel from rh9
by Stephen Pearce 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

I recently tried to compile and install the 2.6.5 kernel on a rh 9 system (dell i8500) .. it installed ok as a grub boot option but hangs trying to load the directory structure .. I have compiled and installed modules .. what else do I have to do to get the new kernel to boot? Thanks Stephen

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New Users Redux
by Craig Box 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

Over the last couple of days, due to some comments regarding the upcoming WLUG installfest [1] and "Software Freedom Day" [2], the issue of WLUG and new Linux users has come up again. While I realise that everything I'm going to say has been said before, hopefully any discussion that comes from this will explain a bit better about how some people feel, or get people inspired to do something about it. A lot of the people involved with the LUG are computing professionals, or higher level University students in computing science. It has been said that these people aren't new users, they don't have to do new things again and to keep them interested, we can't offer installation meetings every other month. It's not to say that these people don't want to help new people - lots of them, myself included, reply to posts here, sit in #wlug on IRC offering help. Yet people still don't think there's enough being done. There's a faction of Linux users that like Linux because they hate Microsoft. (Tip: if you use "M$", you're it!) Most of the aforementioned "clever" group, while they might prefer Linux for various reasons (open standards, open source, etc), don't hate Windows. There is a time and a place for everything. Pushing Linux before its time will just cause people to be aggrevated. As an example, if someone suggests running Linux to a home user, they will inevitably field a whole heap of the same questions over again; word documents, Flash. Questions that there exist easy answers for if people are prepared to look. (As an aside, people who deal with users every day who aren't prepared to learn for themselves, get a bit annoyed with that class of people!) Now, if you leave Linux to the people who find out about it themselves (or push it in a non-confrontational way; say "Linux exists, learn about if you want", and then help people when they have specific problems along the way, I think you end up with less problems. This is the approach that several people are espousing at the moment. Let people find Linux on their own merits - we don't have to replace every Windows machine in the world, and we certainly don't have to do it overnight. Then, if they have problems, we'll help them. That way we're sure that they are prepared to learn for themselves. No-one is paid to be involved with the LUG and some people put a lot of time in, only to be discouraged by the attitude of people who complain to other people, but not the LUG itself (so we have no idea how to change). We would love to see more new user based presentations. The general feeling that the people who have recently been new users should be presenting them. It's not tricky, and if you're worried about fielding questions you don't know the answers to, rest assured there will be someone in the audience who can help, or point to the wrong things. We don't want to alienate the people who have done this all before, because then at the current rate there will be no presentations at all. Not everyone in the LUG is interested in holding an "installfest", for the reasons above - Linux is not ready for everyone and we don't want to have to field questions from people who aren't ready to ask them yet. The people that are interested in helping, are. If you're interested, please shout out. Craig [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/InstallFest [2] http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=2&showtopic=159 for us

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RE: [wlug] Re: problem with FC1 installation
by DrWho? 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

Have you created a swap partition? or left enough un-partioned disk space to make one? At 18:11 13/04/2004, you wrote: >no, i selected mini installation it poped up the same message. it never >warn me the disk space before that message. > > -----Original Message----- > From: zcat [mailto:zcat(a)wired.net.nz] > Sent: Tue 13/04/2004 12:11 p.m. > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Cc: > Subject: Re: [wlug] Re: problem with FC1 installation > > > > Gerwin van de Steeg wrote: > > >There is another possibility, if you selected the complete > install of > >FC1 then you will run out of disk space as it exceeds 5.4 GB > > > > > >Gerwin > > > Doesn't it warn you first? Previous versions of Redhat tell you "you > don't have enough space to install this" before even starting, > I'm sure.. > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Welly InstallFest a go go!
by Jamie Baddeley 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

Fellow NZ_Luggites, Wellylug (http://www.wellylug.org.nz) is pleased to announce we are undergoing the annual ritual of the InstallFest. This year we have chosen MayDay (1st May) as the day that people can make the choice to add some freedom into their computing. We think MayDay is the ideal time to rescue your computer. Basically this email is to spread the good word. Anyone who needs a penguin injection is welcome to join us at Silicon Systems on the 1st. We're always keen for good volunteers, and I'm sure that the Aucklanders amongst us need a reasonable excuse to get out of the traffic jam ;-) Anyways - spread the word, and keep the heat turned up. Not long to go until we form the Jedi Council ;-) peace. Jamie, on behalf of the WellyLug crew.

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RE: [wlug] Re: problem with FC1 installation
by Bo Wang 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

no, i selected mini installation it poped up the same message. it never warn me the disk space before that message. -----Original Message----- From: zcat [mailto:zcat(a)wired.net.nz] Sent: Tue 13/04/2004 12:11 p.m. To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Re: problem with FC1 installation Gerwin van de Steeg wrote: >There is another possibility, if you selected the complete install of >FC1 then you will run out of disk space as it exceeds 5.4 GB > > >Gerwin > Doesn't it warn you first? Previous versions of Redhat tell you "you don't have enough space to install this" before even starting, I'm sure.. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: problem with FC1 installation
by Gerwin van de Steeg 13 Apr '04

13 Apr '04

There is another possibility, if you selected the complete install of FC1 then you will run out of disk space as it exceeds 5.4 GB Gerwin

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compaq armada 1592
by Stephen Pearce 12 Apr '04

12 Apr '04

Someone unkindly hoisted this on me to get going! It came with win95 on the disk and 2 pcmcia modems .. us botics xejm3336 and a 3com device .. Anyway .. I got the damn thing working under win 95 for internet stuff .. then he went and bought a usb printer for which there was no win95 driver Right I thought .. linux is the thing ...and installed rh9.0 .. wiping out the win 95 partition... well it seems to take all day to try loading open office (64 M of memory) ..to the point of being useless So I fell back to win 98 .. and have spent most of today trying to get this installed .. but the graphics drivers don't work .. the modem isn't properly recognised etc etc!!!! :<((((( Has anyone experience of linux on one of these brutes .. it has to read ms word docs ... do a bit of graphing for illustrations and work on the internet ... Thanks Stephen

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problem with FC1 installation
by Bo Wang 10 Apr '04

10 Apr '04

i have tried several times to install fodera core 1 on my laptop. i have 5G free disk space allocated for FC1 but once it's started copying files onto the disk a error msg pop up says 'a problem occured probably because you don't have enough disk space'. does anyone know what the problem is? regards beau

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Re: [wlug] Renaming Debian platforms
by DrWho? 09 Apr '04

09 Apr '04

Microsoft still offer paid support for NT. Must of the current NT installs I have seen are acting as NAS, DNS and in a few file / print servers. It is installed on Compaq or HP server platforms. At 13:43 6/04/2004, you wrote: > > Once again "updating for the sake of updating" applies, sure there some > > genuine new stuff that offer something that is not just a fresh paint > > job. But can the same be said for the SERVER environment. > > > > Since you mentioned mickysoft, allot of people are still running NT3.5 & > > NT4 on there OLD pentium platforms, as a server, and in same cases as a > > work station, and shock horror mickysoft still support them. > >Oh Really? >http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx > >And reed the "see note" bit. > >Please stop with the unfounded guesswork. > > > Well, it is true for the end user, but I was talking about servers... > >OK, if you want to take that approach... >Name brand server hardware is supplied by most vendors with an expected >lifetime of 3 years. Maybe 5 tops. After that, you expect a high level >of hardware failures. From that angle alone, I'd not be bothering with >old hardware in a server environment. > >Are you for real, or are you trolling? >If the latter, please stop, or feel free to join #wlug, where we are eager >and waiting to tear you a new one! :) > > >-- >Greig McGill > > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] Bite
by Lindsay Druett 08 Apr '04

08 Apr '04

This sounds Cat in the Hat > Linux is linux. It doesn't matter how its branded. It's still > the same > thing. Linux *will* run on an embedded 386 processor, and it > *will* run....

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[Fwd: [wlug-committee] O'Reilly Looking for GNOME Hacks]
by Daniel Lawson 07 Apr '04

07 Apr '04

If anyone has any useful or interesting GNOME 'hacks', please pass them on. If you do email Marsee directly, make sure you mention you're a WLUG member (probably best to spell that out, there's several WLUG's in the world)... Or email a committee member and we'll submit on your behalf. Feel free to discuss this on the mailing list if you want to bounce ideas around. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [wlug-committee] O'Reilly Looking for GNOME Hacks Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:47:14 -0700 From: Marsee Henon <marsee(a)oreilly.com> Reply-To: WLUG Committee Mailing List <wlug-committee(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> To: wlug-committee(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Hi Linux UG Leader, We're looking for GNOME hacks for our upcoming book, "Linux Desktop Hacks." We already have half of the book filled with KDE hacks, but no GNOME hacks! Do you know of any GNOME Hackers who could help us out? Please forward this email along. If you have a hack to share, please send 'em our way by having your members email me (marsee(a)oreilly.com) with "GNOME hacks" in the subject line. Don't let KDE hacks take over this book! As thanks for sharing, we'll make sure to get copies of "Linux Desktop Hacks" sent to your group shortly after publication. --Marsee _______________________________________________ wlug-committee mailing list wlug-committee(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug-committee

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RE: [wlug] install fest progress
by Lindsay Druett 07 Apr '04

07 Apr '04

Nah... I can hear Daniel reading us the Dr. Suess book.... "Linux is Linux....." > I can see a distro war brewing over this; I've started > leaning towards > Debian, and a lot of people are recommending Mandrake as a good > first-time distro.. > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [wlug] install fest progress
by zcat 07 Apr '04

07 Apr '04

Jamie Curtis wrote: >>Do we actually want to go ahead with this? >> >>Because we have today and tommorrow to get things underway or there's no >>point doing it at this time. We can put it off, but if we don't get >>things organised real soon it's going to be me sitting on my ass all day >>at Crawshaw playing frozen-bubble. I'd rather be doing other things. >> >> > >I am able to help out as required, but I really doubt the number of >students we will attract on the last Saturday of the break. Are we doing >this focusing on Students or do we think there will be enough general >community interest to make it worth doing anyway. > > Bugger the students, they don't have much choice about using Linux anyway. Let's aim this at the general public. The date is more than two weeks away. I'm happy to phone around tomorrow, Friday, etc. I'm also happy to design a poster (although it'll suck; I'm no artist). Two weeks is plenty of time to make it happen. Are we doing this or not?

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[Fwd: End of Life for Red Hat Linux 9]
by Matthias Dallmeier 06 Apr '04

06 Apr '04

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