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Debian user defaults.
by Oliver Jones 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

Does Debian 3.1 use the usual your uid is your gid standard?? The useradd tools seem to be creating users with their gid set to users(100). Is this normal? Personally I prefer the uid==gid approach that RH uses. Is there a setting I can change on debian? I'm very new to debian so I have no idea where to look. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Roving Code Warrior > www.deeperdesign.com

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Political party responses to InternetNZ questions.
by Greig McGill 13 Sep '05

13 Sep '05

I find this fairly interesting. http://internetnz.net.nz/government/2005-survey.htm Basically (and obviously this is my opinion); National sucks (and I am a Nat supporter) Labour sucks ever so slightly less The Greens ROCK The other responding parties appear clueless (SURPRISE!). I assume, based on Rodney Hide's fairly passionate views on IT (which were closely aligned with the Greens views, strangely enough), that ACT do have a policy, and have simply not submitted it yet. Winston is most likely too busy digging dirt to be bothered filling out the questionnaire. I know it's a single issue, and shouldn't really form the basis of any intelligent persons vote, but I think it is concerning that neither of our two major parties "get it", and it is left to a party often written off as hopeless idealists to have the best, most progressive policy on ICT issues. Regards, Greig McGill

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 13 Sep '05

13 Sep '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business

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mythtv installation day?
by Justin Hyde 13 Sep '05

13 Sep '05

I am trying to install mythtv on my ubuntu box, but without success, so I need help! I propose a mythtv installation day/evening, but will require some experts to come and help us novels. Are there any locals willing to help and advise? Depending on numbers interested I can host this event at my place, plenty of tables, power points, bbq etc I am thinking of the weekend of the 8th/9th October as that is only a couple of days before my jetstream quota renews itself, so we can blitz the connection and only suffer dial up speeds briefly. Any goers? Cheers Justin Hyde

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Re: [wlug] mythtv installation day?
by David Nicholls 12 Sep '05

12 Sep '05

Good lord! Telling him to look on the web when there is a bbq & broadband on offer... Bloody hell! I'd take the bbq any day mate. Pity I don't know anything about mythtv. Cheers... david From: Ian McDonald [mailto:imcdnzl(a)gmail.com] On 13/09/05, Justin Hyde <ajh28(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > I am trying to install mythtv on my ubuntu box, but without success, > so I need help! > I presume you have looked at http://wlug.org.nz/MythTv ?

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Committee nominations as at 13 Sep
by Craig Box 12 Sep '05

12 Sep '05

Hi all, Current nominations for 2005-2006 committee =========================================== President DRUETT, Lindsay Vice President none Secretary BOX, Craig Treasurer none General Committee Members: LORIER, Perry PERRONE, Gian PURVIS, Jon MCDONALD, Ian New committee ============= All WLUG members are encouraged to stand for election onto the WLUG committee for 2006. The charter currently specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. Because of the relatively large size of the committee compared to the organisation's membership, the outgoing committee intends to propose a change to the charter at the AGM. We wish to call for a vote on modifying Rule 7 to require only three general committee members, not five, and modifying Rule 6 such that the quorum for committee meetings is four, not five. To stand for the committee, please email secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. If you wish to nominate someone, please contact them and ask if they are willing to stand; if you would rather not contact them yourself, feel free to email me and I will pass your request on for you. People with uncertain futures (who may be leaving the Waikato) are encouraged not to let this stop them standing for election, but please only stand if you are committed and prepared to take on a relatively small workload. To be granted voting rights at the meeting, you must have been a paid member for 2004-2005, and signed a new membership form for '05-'06. (Remember, you have 90 days to pay.) Craig

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Warren Hughes (IBM) is out of the office.
by Warren Hughes 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

I will be out of the office starting 09/09/2005 and will not return until 12/09/2005. Hi, thanks for your email. I am away from the office today Friday 9/9, returning Monday 12/9. Have a great weekend, Warren.

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Re: [wlug] Mobile Repositories
by Ivan Potgieter 06 Sep '05

06 Sep '05

Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > All covered in http://www.wlug.org.nz/AptNotes Thanks, just what I needed. Ivan

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Wiki history page
by Craig Box 06 Sep '05

06 Sep '05

Hi, Searching back through mailing lists for dates and important events, I've knocked up a quick Wiki history page: http://www.wlug.org.nz/WikiHistory. People who remember things are encouraged to add them - this might eventually turn into a WlugHistory page as well. Craig

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New Zealand Linux Wiki redesign
by Craig Box 05 Sep '05

05 Sep '05

The New Zealand Linux wiki is a frontend into the data of Waikato Linux Users Group wiki. It is designed to open the amazing resource of user contributed information to participation from members of other LUGs, and free software/open source users and supporters in New Zealand. After a somewhat shaky start, I'm pleased to announce a redesigned theme for the site, now live at http://wiki.linux.net.nz/. The theme is the handiwork of Craig Box and Simon Bridge, based on the WLUG theme by Matt & Kat Brown, and is the culmination of suggestion and assistance from both the NZLUG community and WLUG committee members. On behalf of the WLUG, I would like to thank: * Carlos Varela, media designer (http://www.carlosvarela.net/) for the kiwi-in-circle logo * Simon Bridge, for his co-ordination and design work on the redesign of the original green theme * The NZLUG community, for their suggestions and design ideas * Everyone else on all the mailing lists for their criticisms, complaints and eventual support :) Please check out the site - http://wiki.linux.net.nz/ - now with a redesigned front page and new look. Remember, all content on this site is edited, and made available (except where otherwise noted) under a Creative Commons license. Craig

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Update on membership for 2005
by Craig Box 05 Sep '05

05 Sep '05

Hi everyone, I assume most of you skipped over the message I just posted because you've seen it before, but please don't skip this one. We currently have three nominations for committee members, and require at least seven. Please, if you think you have time to help out with the WLUG (it really doesn't take much), stand for nomination. If you're a current committee member who wishes to reapply, you should really already have told me. >:) The list of candidates is now at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee. Also, thanks to everyone who has filled out the survey already (http://survey.wlug.org.nz/) - responses will probably close a couple of days before the AGM, so a proper report can be written, but anyone who has yet to fill it out is encouraged to do so at their earliest convenience. We have had a number of good ideas pitched by people via the survey that I look forward to the LUG implementing. Remember also you also go into the draw to win a $100 Dick Smith Electronics voucher if you fill out the survey and (re)subscribe to WLUG at the AGM. Thanks for your time, Craig

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Annual General Meeting, 26 September
by Craig Box 05 Sep '05

05 Sep '05

In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter, I would like to announce to all members that the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting on Monday, 26 September, 2005, at 7pm, at the regular meeting location of room LitB at the University of Waikato. New committee ============= All WLUG members are encouraged to stand for election onto the WLUG committee for 2006. The charter currently specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. Because of the relatively large size of the committee compared to the organisation's membership, the outgoing committee intends to propose a change to the charter at the AGM. We wish to call for a vote on modifying Rule 7 to require only three general committee members, not five, and modifying Rule 6 such that the quorum for committee meetings is four, not five. To stand for the committee, please email secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. If you wish to nominate someone, please contact them and ask if they are willing to stand; if you would rather not contact them yourself, feel free to email me and I will pass your request on for you. People with uncertain futures (who may be leaving the Waikato) are encouraged not to let this stop them standing for election, but please only stand if you are committed and prepared to take on a relatively small workload. To be granted voting rights at the meeting, you must have been a paid member for 2004-2005, and signed a new membership form for '05-'06. (Remember, you have 90 days to pay.) Survey ====== I would also like to remind everyone about the first annual WLUG survey, and the chance to win a $100 Dick Smith Electronics voucher! All people associated with WLUG, paid members or not, are encouraged to fill out the survey at http://survey.wlug.org.nz/. No personal information is collected and all responses are totally anonymous. At the end of the survey you will be given a token; bring this to the AGM and sign up for the '05/'06 year, and you will be in to win the $100 voucher. Regards, Craig WLUG Secretary

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Mobile Repositories
by Ivan Potgieter 03 Sep '05

03 Sep '05

Hello all, I have recently upgraded to a larger HDD and I decided to install (Ubuntu) from scratch. This required all the updates and installation of all the additional packaged that I use. The problem is that I only have dialup Internet access and it took some time to download. I also have a requirement to update 2 non-networked PCs. I am using Ubuntu with Synaptic Package Manager, which works well, but I am not sure how it works 'behind the scenes'. The idea I have is to create a specialised repository that contains specific apps (or updates), which can be placed onto mobile media for installtion onto the non-networked PCs (as well as a being a backup). Can anyone out there shed some light on how to create such a repository or any other possibilities for installing packages onto the non-networked PCs? Some topics I love more info on are: * Where do packages stored when downloaded and how long do they remain there? * What is required for creating a repository? * How do configure Synaptic to access this new repository? Any thoughts / help welcome. Thanks, Ivan

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 02 Sep '05

02 Sep '05

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Re: [wlug] Announcing Planet WLUG
by swami 02 Sep '05

02 Sep '05

Matt Brown wrote: > WLUG now has a planet... It personalises the wiki and looks good. (And I especially enjoy the content.) Cheers, Sid. PS. apologies for cut 'n paste from archive and mucking up thread.

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Call for nominations for 2005/06 WLUG Executive Committee
by Greig McGill 02 Sep '05

02 Sep '05

Hi all, It's almost AGM time. Craig tells me that survey responses are coming along nicely, and that several people have said that they would stand for election to the WLUG Committee. To date, we have recieved no nominations, and time is growing short. If you wish to nominate someone, please get in contact with them and confirm their desire to be nominated. You may nominate yourself if you wish. When you have a confirmed, enthusiastic nominee, please email secretary(a)wlug.org.nz, and we will tally the nominations. Voting will be at the AGM. All continuing paid members are elligible to vote, as per our charter (http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter) I'd like to take this opportunity to announce that I will not be standing for the WLUG Executive again this year. It's been a great year as "The Fist", and I believe that the current committee has achieved a lot, but I can no longer commit the time or passion which I feel the job requires, and will thus be standing down. My final presidential role will be chairing the AGM, and I hope to see you all on the 26th. :) Thanks, Greig McGill President Waikato Linux Users Group Inc.

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[wlug] [Fwd: [nznog] Fwd: Important Event - ICT Leaders Debate, this Thursday evening]
by Matt Brown 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

This may be of interest to a number of people on this list. r2 is also planning to stream the debate and apparently the link to the stream will appear on http://www.internetnz.net.nz/forum/ sometime later this afternoon. Cheers -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Richard Naylor <richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Fwd: Important Event - ICT Leaders Debate, this Thursday evening Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:23:22 +1200 In case some of you don't get this. >From: "Colin Jackson" <president(a)internetnz.net.nz> >To: "INZ Members Announce" <members-announce(a)internetnz.net.nz> >Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:54:33 +1200 > >InternetNZ ICT Leaders Election Forum 2005 > >This Thursday evening InternetNZ is convening an Election Forum, for >political parties to present and defend their policies relating to >information and communications technology policy. > >David Cunliffe MP (Labour Party), Maurice Williamson MP (National Party) >and Mikaere Curtis (Green Party) will face questions from a panel of >journalists (Paul Brislen, IDG / Computerworld; and Kate McLaughlin, >National Business Review) on where they see the future of this industry, >where they want to take it, and why. > >Date: Thursday 1 September 2005 > >Time: 7.00pm - 9.00pm > >Physical Venues: University of Auckland - Access Grid Suite (Main Venue) >and Wellington - Media Lab Conference Room, L2, 205-207 Victoria St. > >Webcast/Chatlink : Link page will be available at 6pm this afternoon at >www.internetnz.net.nz/forum, with links to actual webcast and chat posted >on Thursday. > >Moderated by barrister Peter Dengate Thrush, the debate will commence with >an hour-long session where the speakers respond to pre-prepared questions >covering the wide range of issues relating to ICT and telecommunications >policy. > >In the second hour with the politicians will take questions from the >audience, channelled through the journalist panel, and live questions from >the Wellington audience. Online participants will be able to participate >in the debate through submitting questions via a web based chat channel. > >Communications between Auckland and Wellington will be by means of an >Access Grid. The Access Grid technology provides realtime audio and video >links between the two sites, making it an effective way to let audiences >in different geographic locations interact in real time. > >The only attendees in the Auckland venue will be the Moderator, the >journalists, and of course, the politicians. Outside the room will be the >technical providers, the feedback co-ordinators and the politicians >advisory teams. There will not be any general audience at this venue. > >There is a limited amount of space in the physical venue in Wellington for >InternetNZ members to attend the event. Obviously we want to have a >capacity audience at the venue. If you would like to attend, please advise >office(a)Internetnz.net.nz as soon as possible. Physical attendance will be >allocated on a first-come, first-served basis. For members outside of >Wellington, we would value your on-line attendance and questions. > >This InternetNZ Election Forum provides a unique opportunity for you to >put questions to the politicians who will be making critical decisions >about the future regulatory environment for communications and information >technology in New Zealand. We welcome your involvement. We feel that this >"proof of concept" of the technologies may lead to a whole new method of >engagement in political discussions for special interest groups wishing to >engage in detailed debates in specialised areas of policy. Please help us >make this event a success. > >Colin Jackson >President - InternetNZ _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz

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IBM Speed-start program enhanced with more trial code and content
by Craig Box 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

I've had a couple of these DVD kits sent to our library in the past. I probably won't bother again, but if anyone is interested in acquiring developer stuff from IBM, please read below. Craig Dear Developer, The IBM Speed-start your Linux Apps program was designed to get you started using IBM software tools and middleware by collecting the trial code, technical information and support in one place. Thousands of you participated in this program and gave us suggestions on how to make it even better. We've replaced the Speed-start program with: * A self-directed evaluation program that lets you get the technical content you want whenever you want it. * More IBM trial development tools and middleware for direct download or delivered on DVDs at no charge. * Support from IBM product experts who answer your technical questions. To get started, visit the featured downloads section of developerWorks at http://ibm.com/developerworks/ecma/campaign/er.jsp?id=102319 Here you will find IBM's most popular trials and focused technical content. If you wish to receive the new Linux SEK available at no charge, visit us at: http://ibm.com/developerworks/ecma/campaign/er.jsp?id=102320 The new SEK is available to assist you with your Linux application development efforts. It includes the latest trial products from IBM DB2, Lotus and WebSphere, as well as, new versions of the IBM Rational desktop development products for Linux, such as: -- IBM Rational Application Developer for WebSphere Software V6.0 -- IBM Rational Functional Tester V6.1.0 -- IBM Rational Software Architect V6.0 -- IBM Rational Software Modeler V6.0 -- IBM Rational Web Developer for WebSphere Software V6.0 Now it's easier than ever to get your hands on IBM trial software and the technical resources to go with it-all in one convenient location. Sincerely, The IBM developerWorks Team mailto:dwinfo(a)us.ibm.com

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Wireless performance
by Oliver Jones 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

I've been twiddling with my wireless router settings and nothing I've changed so far has improved performance. Some appeared to degrade it a little. I'm still only getting 120kbytes/sec in gFTP/SSH. Which translates to about 1Mbit/sec. This is supposed to be a 54Mbit device. Come someone else with a 802.11g wireless network do a little throughput test and let me know what sort of data rate they get. Thanks.

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New dedicated server,
by Oliver Jones 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

Hey peeps. I'm thinking about getting a replacement dedicated server. I was thinking of getting a server from ServerBeach.com. They offer bother Debian 3.0 and FC3. I was think from a maintenance perspective it might be wiser for me to use Debian. Though now that 3.1 (Sarge) is out I'd prefer to use that. Is it possible and/or easy to upgrade 3.0 to 3.1 via apt-get dist-upgrade? Advice, experiences, etc appreciated. Regards

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Please help us by filling out the 2005 WLUG Survey
by Craig Box 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

Hi everyone, If you have some spare time over the weekend, please consider filling out the WLUG survey at http://survey.wlug.org.nz/ We have had around 20 submissions so far, and we have received some excellent feedback on what we should be doing differently. Some of the suggestions will be brought in from as early as the AGM. There are over 150 people subscribed to this list. It would be great to end up with a similar number of responses, so we can be sure that the overall answers are representative of the opinions of everyone involved with WLUG. Remember, all people in any way associated with WLUG, paid members or not, are encouraged to fill out the survey. Everyone who fills in the survey and then signs up or renews their membership at the AGM is in the draw to win a $100 Dick Smith Electronics voucher! No personal information is collected and all responses are totally anonymous. That URL again: http://survey.wlug.org.nz/ Regards, Craig WLUG Secretary

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wlug server moving
by John R. McPherson 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Hi, the wlug server (hoiho) will be moving location and changing IP address either today or tomorrow, and obviously this will affect connectivity such as the wlug website and email to @wlug.org.nz addresses. If at some stage you notice you can't reach the server, Don't Panic. This because our hosts are changing premises. John

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Open source equivalent to Maple/Mathematica
by Ian McDonald 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Folks, Does anybody have personal experience of open source equivalents? I see Maxima, Mathomatic and mupad on the web but wondering if anybody has used... I am looking at packages that do algebraic manipulation, solving and 3D graphing. On the surface Maxima looks quite good for this. Ian

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RSS feed off RecentEdits page on WLUG wiki
by Ian McDonald 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

There is an RSS feed mentioned on this page with the URL below: http://www.wlug.org.nz/RecentEdits?format=rss It doesn't give anything though... Can this be fixed or removed? Regards, Ian

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Transparent bridge ADSL modem
by Craig Box 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Hi all, I am looking for a reliable, good quality ADSL device that can be used as a transparent bridge to a Linux machine. Some of the Linux machines we have run as IPSEC heads, and by far the best way to make sure that the device correctly forwards packets on certain protocols (not ports) would be to have it transparent. Ultimately what I want to have is this: internet -- adsl modem -- [linux (eth1: public IP) ] [linux (eth0: internal IP)] - nat The closest I've got to this before is the M1122 on PPTP, but I would rather the bridge was at ethernet level if possible. Can anyone make any recommendations on devices that do this? Reliability is far more important than price (these will be for business customers) and I would prefer something that has firmware upgrades available without a support contract. Thanks, Craig

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