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Free Remote Access to LinuxPPC64 Servers for Open Source Developers
by Craig Box 28 Mar '06

28 Mar '06

Forwarded from Robert MacFarlan [Robert_MacFarlan(a)us.ibm.com] Hello, I am mailing a few of the more active Linux User Groups in Australia to make them aware of community-based remote access systems that have become available. These systems are open to any Open Source Linux developer interested in developing / porting / or just tinkering w/ Linux on high-performance 64-bit IBM POWER5 or PPC970 systems. In the case of Australian National University's system - brought on-line last week - they are hosting a 4-way system w/ 16GB of RAM. This system can be a great place to test SMP and memory scalability. If any of your members are interested in working on these systems they are more than welcome to request an account. Additional systems will be added in the coming months. Australia National University: (http://clug.anu.edu.au/) Other systems being hosted world-wide include: Oregon State University Open Source Lab - PPC970 running Gentoo ( http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/PPC64/Home) SourceForge.net compile farm - POWER5 running SLES ( http://sourceforge.net/docs/compile_farm#cf_overview) University of Portland Linux on Power Portal - POWER5 running SLES ( http://egr.up.edu:8080/) University of Augsburg Debian on PowerPC - POWER5 running Debian ( http://tuxppc.rz.uni-augsburg.de/) Linux on Power @ Peking University - POWER5 running SLES ( http://ppclinux.pku.edu.cn/) Thank you for your time, and if you have any questions, please feel free to let me know. Cheers, Robert MacFarlan Strategist ISV Global Solutions Enablement IBM

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 28 Mar '06

28 Mar '06

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for March is Linda Wright. Her talk is entitled ''New Business Models for Open Source (http://www.wlug.org.nz/OpenSource) Advocates and Developers'': ;: "In a nutshell, I plan to survey some of the past Commercial and http://www.wlug.org.nz/OSS business models (from the anarchic and utopian to the present) and discuss some of the commercial implications of these. I then intend to discuss three contemporary OSS business models, their virtues and limitations, and the new trend of large so-called 'old economy' companies solving the problem of OSS competition by buying out start-ups. Then I will move on to talk about the business model of Concentus, which I believe is fairly unique, and how I believe it addresses some of the classical problems that both commercial and OSS developers face with their respective models. Anyone who has ever wondered how the heck you can make money out of supposedly free software should probably attend." Linda Wright is the former Software Development Manager for Toll New Zealand (http://www.tollnz.co.nz) (Corporate). Linda is a native of San Francisco, California and has over 20 years experience in Software Development (http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareEngineering) SDLC Management] and Business Consulting. Some of her personal career highlights include developing one of the world's first Visual Software Development Environments (1989), the creation of a complex problem solving methodology called 'The Resolution of Complexity' (1992), and a http://www.wlug.org.nz/patent for a Telephonic Transaction System (1998) (http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-CIMAGES/view/pct/getbykey5?KEY=00/18088.000330) Linda is the managing director of a film production company called Pretty Good Productions Ltd, and has recently formed Concentus Ltd, an [Auckland-based technology company. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato (http://www.wlug.org.nz/UniversityOfWaikato) Meeting will start at 7:30pm. Refreshments will be available afterwards.

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 26 Mar '06

26 Mar '06

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for March is Linda Wright. Her talk is entitled ''New Business Models for Open Source (http://www.wlug.org.nz/OpenSource) Advocates and Developers'': ;: "In a nutshell, I plan to survey some of the past Commercial and http://www.wlug.org.nz/OSS business models (from the anarchic and utopian to the present) and discuss some of the commercial implications of these. I then intend to discuss three contemporary OSS business models, their virtues and limitations, and the new trend of large so-called 'old economy' companies solving the problem of OSS competition by buying out start-ups. Then I will move on to talk about the business model of Concentus, which I believe is fairly unique, and how I believe it addresses some of the classical problems that both commercial and OSS developers face with their respective models. Anyone who has ever wondered how the heck you can make money out of supposedly free software should probably attend." Linda Wright is the former Software Development Manager for Toll New Zealand (http://www.tollnz.co.nz) (Corporate). Linda is a native of San Francisco, California and has over 20 years experience in Software Development (http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareEngineering) SDLC Management] and Business Consulting. Some of her personal career highlights include developing one of the world's first Visual Software Development Environments (1989), the creation of a complex problem solving methodology called 'The Resolution of Complexity' (1992), and a http://www.wlug.org.nz/patent for a Telephonic Transaction System (1998) (http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-CIMAGES/view/pct/getbykey5?KEY=00/18088.000330) Linda is the managing director of a film production company called Pretty Good Productions Ltd, and has recently formed Concentus Ltd, an [Auckland-based technology company. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato (http://www.wlug.org.nz/UniversityOfWaikato) Meeting will start at 7:30pm. Refreshments will be available afterwards.

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Squid - Proxy Auth - Firewall
by Jodi Thomson 24 Mar '06

24 Mar '06

Hi all I'm wanting to setup Squid to use proxy auth against Active Directory. That seems straightforward enough. However I am having trouble in figuring out whether or not to put Squid internally or inside the DMZ for this to work The firewall re will be running is a Juniper NetScreen-25. The DMZ is comprised of real-world IP's, internally it's all private IP Does any one have any experience in this? Cheers Jodi ___________________________________________________ Jodi Thomson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) IT Support Engineer - Turbo Investments Group Ltd Phone: +64 6 834-0537 ext 1008 cell: +64 21 799 961 jodi.thomson(a)turbogroup.co.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Turbo Investments Group Ltd is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Turbo Investments Group Ltd. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment.

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for March is Linda Wright. Her talk is entitled ''New Business Models for Open Source (http://www.wlug.org.nz/OpenSource) Advocates and Developers'': ;: "In a nutshell, I plan to survey some of the past Commercial and http://www.wlug.org.nz/OSS business models (from the anarchic and utopian to the present) and discuss some of the commercial implications of these. I then intend to discuss three contemporary OSS business models, their virtues and limitations, and the new trend of large so-called 'old economy' companies solving the problem of OSS competition by buying out start-ups. Then I will move on to talk about the business model of Concentus, which I believe is fairly unique, and how I believe it addresses some of the classical problems that both commercial and OSS developers face with their respective models. Anyone who has ever wondered how the heck you can make money out of supposedly free software should probably attend." Linda Wright is the former Software Development Manager for Toll New Zealand (http://www.tollnz.co.nz) (Corporate). Linda is a native of San Francisco, California and has over 20 years experience in Software Development (http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareEngineering) SDLC Management] and Business Consulting. Some of her personal career highlights include developing one of the world's first Visual Software Development Environments (1989), the creation of a complex problem solving methodology called 'The Resolution of Complexity' (1992), and a http://www.wlug.org.nz/patent for a Telephonic Transaction System (1998) (http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-CIMAGES/view/pct/getbykey5?KEY=00/18088.000330) Linda is the managing director of a film production company called Pretty Good Productions Ltd, and has recently formed Concentus Ltd, an [Auckland-based technology company. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato (http://www.wlug.org.nz/UniversityOfWaikato) Meeting will start at 7:30pm. Refreshments will be available afterwards.

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kernel for p4 (kinda OT)
by Glenn Enright 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

Anyone have some ideas why they never built an arch for p4 CPUs into the kernel? I realize that these are covered by i386. A little while ago, after looking round a bit in a custom tree and creating a p4 arch myself (Im not a programmer BTW, just hacking, pruned out some 'surplus' code mostly, using 2.6.14), a clean build ran in *lots* less time. No runtime benchmarks, but response times were also definately better, and had no issues with drivers or anything. Used gcc 3.4.5 too. It wasnt quite as stable so I did something wrong somewhere, but it seems odd there was no real demand for this arch. Especially since p4s have been around for so long. BTW I did have a look on google, but mostly found newbies asking the same question with no response or devs saying they couldnt be bothered lol. Just seems a shame to waste potential if its there :). Comments? -- No outsider has ever seen a Tleilaxu female and lived to tell about it. Considering the Tleilaxu penchant for genetic manipulation -- see, e.g., related memos on clones and gholas -- this simple observation raises a wealth of additional questions. -- Bene Gesserit Analysis

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Re: [wlug] URL for page of Wiki articles to add
by David Hallett 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

At 14:07 23/03/2006, you wrote: >I can't remember what the URL for this is - the page which lists all >the articles that need to be created... > >Can anybody tell me what this is as I feel like writing Wiki pages at >the moment for some reason... http://www.wlug.org.nz/WantedWikis Is that what you're looking for? Regards, _____________________________ David Hallett, BSc, MNZCS Managing Director Pulsar Computer Solutions Ltd P.O. Box 15-516, Hamilton, New Zealand Mob: +64-21-802 256 Fax: +64-7-846 3677 www.pulsar.net.nz

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URL for page of Wiki articles to add
by Ian McDonald 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

I can't remember what the URL for this is - the page which lists all the articles that need to be created... Can anybody tell me what this is as I feel like writing Wiki pages at the moment for some reason... -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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New Orcon plans announced
by Craig Box 21 Mar '06

21 Mar '06

Hi, Orcon sponsor the WLUG by hosting Hoiho, the server that runs the wiki and user accounts. We hope that our members support Orcon wherever possible, and as such would like to point out that Orcon have recently announced their new broadband plans, which can be seen at http://orcon.net.nz/products/bitstream/newplans. Regards, Craig

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Modem required
by Craig Box 20 Mar '06

20 Mar '06

Hi, A WLUG member asked me about modems at last months meeting, and I told him I was sure someone would have a modem floating around that was surplus to requirements. Can anyone help him out with a Linux-friendly (ie external or full hardware) 56k modem? Please reply to me off-list. Regards Craig

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Fedora Core 5 has been released
by Ian McDonald 20 Mar '06

20 Mar '06

For more see: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14024 -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Fwd: Linux kernel 2.6.16 released
by Ian McDonald 20 Mar '06

20 Mar '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Linux Kernel Distribution System <kdist(a)linux.kernel.org> Date: Mar 20, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: Linux kernel 2.6.16 released To: linux-kernel-announce(a)hera.kernel.org Linux kernel version 2.6.16 has been released. It is available from: Patch: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.16.bz2 Full source: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.16.tar.bz2 Sizes in bytes Compressed Uncompressed ------------------------------------------------------------ Patch 5335897 29085385 Full source 40845005 233953280 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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RimuHosting Hiring
by Peter Bryant 20 Mar '06

20 Mar '06

Hi. I'm looking for someone(s) to do Linux support work for RimuHosting: setup people's Linux servers, install Linux apps, troubleshoot problems and the like. It can be very interesting, challenging work. For those that don't know, RimuHosting is based in Cambridge and we provide Linux VPS hosting services to a global customer base. If you are available part-time (Sundays and/or Mondays) to help, then check out: http://forums.rimuhosting.com/forums/showthread.php?p=645#post645 If you had any questions just reply off list to me. Cheers, Peter

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Re: [wlug] more laptop consideration (a decision)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

Should read "no heat problem" ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Waiting until the day before you leave the country is not > a good way to make a buying decision but that is what > happened in my case > _I did_ go to dse and try an install but dopey me took the > wrong architecture so the thing failed. > My purchase was a Acer aspire 5000 amd64 1.6mhz turion > 448 mg of reported ram > Installed is Ubuntu and thanks to a lot of support from a > Wlug member I have a useful system. I need to hunt around > for some vga drivers and some other programmes. > So far I have run the machine for extended periods with > a heat problem. It remains to be seen how it will respond > to bounceing around in a truck for 100,000 miles or so > Thank you for all your advise and help. John > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Sorry to hear about the issues, I have several acers and > > we had a similar but easily fixed problem. > > > > The poor airflow is really bad dust protection, So what > > we do is use a household vacuum cleaner and the crevice > > tool (narrow slot thing) to vacuum all the cooling > > ports. Diagnostics usually show a 15 - 20 degree drop > > in the CPU temp after this. No need to open the Laptop, > > but it pays to not do while its running. > > > > Could be worth a try > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] more laptop consideration (a decision)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

<edit> should be no heat problem!!!!!!! ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Waiting until the day before you leave the country is not > a good way to make a buying decision but that is what > happened in my case > _I did_ go to dse and try an install but dopey me took the > wrong architecture so the thing failed. > My purchase was a Acer aspire 5000 amd64 1.6mhz turion > 448 mg of reported ram > Installed is Ubuntu and thanks to a lot of support from a > Wlug member I have a useful system. I need to hunt around > for some vga drivers and some other programmes. > So far I have run the machine for extended periods with > a heat problem. It remains to be seen how it will respond > to bounceing around in a truck for 100,000 miles or so > Thank you for all your advise and help. John > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Sorry to hear about the issues, I have several acers and > > we had a similar but easily fixed problem. > > > > The poor airflow is really bad dust protection, So what > > we do is use a household vacuum cleaner and the crevice > > tool (narrow slot thing) to vacuum all the cooling > > ports. Diagnostics usually show a 15 - 20 degree drop > > in the CPU temp after this. No need to open the Laptop, > > but it pays to not do while its running. > > > > Could be worth a try > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] more laptop consideration (a decision)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

Waiting until the day before you leave the country is not a good way to make a buying decision but that is what happened in my case _I did_ go to dse and try an install but dopey me took the wrong architecture so the thing failed. My purchase was a Acer aspire 5000 amd64 1.6mhz turion 448 mg of reported ram Installed is Ubuntu and thanks to a lot of support from a Wlug member I have a useful system. I need to hunt around for some vga drivers and some other programmes. So far I have run the machine for extended periods with a heat problem. It remains to be seen how it will respond to bounceing around in a truck for 100,000 miles or so Thank you for all your advise and help. John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Sorry to hear about the issues, I have several acers and > we had a similar but easily fixed problem. > > The poor airflow is really bad dust protection, So what we > do is use a household vacuum cleaner and the crevice tool > (narrow slot thing) to vacuum all the cooling ports. > Diagnostics usually show a 15 - 20 degree drop in the CPU > temp after this. No need to open the Laptop, but it pays > to not do while its running. > > Could be worth a try

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Before you install Fedora 5...
by Ian McDonald 18 Mar '06

18 Mar '06

>From http://lwn.net/Articles/175793/ Fedora core 5 will (temporarily) break non-GPL modules [Posted March 16, 2006 by corbet] Many Fedora users are anxiously waiting for the Fedora Core 5 release, scheduled for Monday, March 20. Be warned that some of you may have to wait a little longer, however: the kernel shipped with FC5 effectively disallows the loading of any non-GPL modules. That behavior was a mistake, and a fix has already been made, but it is too late to get that fix into the initial FC5 release. So binary module users will want to wait until the first errata kernel is released (a few days, at most) before upgrading. -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Re: [wlug] Looking for HDD
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

You could try PBTech too, they list that model on their website. http://www.pbtechnz.com/?item=HDDWD1039 They say to call for stock but in practise I find they often have stock when they say that. Matt Browne

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Looking for HDD
by Jodi Thomson 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

Hi Folks Am on the scrounge here We've had to send a drive off for data recovery. However it's a relatively recent model and the data recovery company has no parts for it, they need the heads. Therefore we are looking for a 'doner' drive that matches the following: Western Digital Caviar SATA 80GB Model: WD800JD - 60LSA0 (Last 6 Digits MUST be exact) Date of Manufacture: 16 OCT 2005 (give or take 1 month) We're willing to pay for a replacement. Does anyone have one of these lying around spare? Cheers Jodi ___________________________________________________ Jodi Thomson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) IT Support Engineer - Turbo Investments Group Ltd Phone: +64 6 834-0537 ext 1008 cell: +64 21 799 961 jodi.thomson(a)turbogroup.co.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Turbo Investments Group Ltd is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Turbo Investments Group Ltd. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment.

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Re: [wlug] Ubuntu security risk
by Martin, Anthony (NZ) 14 Mar '06

14 Mar '06

Hi Aristotle, Thanks for the advice on my message being beaten by Matthias. It's pleasing to see people like yourself berating others when they are trying to help or advise other people. It's good to feel part of the community. As for the 15hours behind Mathias, I get my mail from the WLUG in digest form once a day. Hope you have an awesome day Aristotle. Me - I have work to do.

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Ubuntu security risk
by Martin, Anthony (NZ) 13 Mar '06

13 Mar '06

Ran across this today regarding possible password leaks. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143334 You might want to review any existing Ubuntu servers pronto. While I didn't see these same values on my Debian Sarge server, that's only one data point. Now I'm off to check my Alpha server. Yet another reason to use temporary passwords when installing systems. Best Regards, Anthony Martin

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WLUG / NZ Linux Wiki Upgrade
by Matt Brown 13 Mar '06

13 Mar '06

Hi All, The WLUG / NZ Linux Wiki has been upgraded from a very old 2002 version of PHPwiki to the latest codebase (1.3.11p1). If you notice any serious problems or regressions please let me know (off list preferably). Cheers -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 21 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz

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Slashdot | Root Password Readable in Clear Text with Ubuntu
by Matthias Dallmeier 13 Mar '06

13 Mar '06

http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/03/13/0525254.shtml FYI -- Matthias

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Re: [wlug] Novell hopes its next desktop will leapfrog Windows -- IDEAS (a little long)
by Mathew Carley 11 Mar '06

11 Mar '06

>>"When Microsoft Vista ships it will catch up to us in a number of areas, but we'll enjoy six months where Novell's Linux desktop is in the lead," Well, I think Novell just needs to start cracking the cogs of it's marketing machine. Take out some Ad's on the telly. Do the Mozilla/ImpeachBush.org/open-source thing and take out full-pagers in (for example) the New Zealand Herald (Or Helsingin Sanomat, Iltalehti or YLE for that matter - not that linux isn't already well known here). I'm sure that Saatchi & Saatchi or Admark or even a company that uses OSS to develop its advertising would be able to come up with a half decent marketing campaign to cover the 6 months between SLED and Windows Vista's release. I remember at the Novell Conference in September 2004 at the Hilton in Auckland had a pretty good little movie that ran for a few minutes (if you were there, I'm talking about the one where they had the cartoon thing based on LOTR) - something like that targeting the main reasons to BUY Linux or buy a machine with Linux on it might work quite well... Even though Microsoft hasn't really pushed out any new consumer products (save the XBOX 360 and maybe a couple of other things) in the past 4, nearly 5 years, I still see their ads all over the world on TV, billboards, street-sign ads etc in Finland, Sweden, Estonia, New Zealand, Australia, Germany, Singapore, Japan, Netherlands, France/Monaco, Italy and where ever the hell else I have been lately. Microsoft's ads are always about "We help you do what it is you want to do... productivity in the office, we help your kids learn blah blah blah"... maybe if Novell can do a "We do all that too, with an interface that makes sense, and far less problems with Viruses and Spyware! Plus out search tools are better... this is prettier, that is better, you can still do everything you do on your MS OS and for a cheaper price!" At least here Linux is used in all the banking kiosks which are located next to most ATMs that are not outside, Public Libraries, Private/University Libraries, Info Kiosks, certain Government departments, CyberCafes (Ok, well they are coffee places like Starbucks, but they have free Internet or WiFi access if you buy a coffee)... and so on. The fact that Linux is fairly widely used in comparison has kind of provided an answer to the interface question, though: Most people don't give a toss what interface they are using, so long as it works. For example, Kirjasto Kymanen (the library next to the central railway station), The "Queue Up" computers are all Linux (not sure which distro) running KDE 3.3, with Firefox, aMSN, OpenOffice 1.x and a couple of other little apps. People just go on there to check email, do banking etc, and don't seem to have any trouble adapting from Windows to Linux to Mac to whatever. There are some Windows NT and XP machines available, as well as some Macs, but you have to reserve them specifically. Anyway, getting back to my original point: yes, Linux is technically superior. Yes, Mac OS is easier to use. But it's Microsoft thats been marketing it's arse off for the past 20 years getting hundreds of millions of consumers to buy their crap. Perhaps a few side deals with the top 5 OEMs helped but thats not what I am getting at. So, Novell, start marketing now (build up some hype a-la MS), get a "Think Secret"-style fan club/insider info source site and then do a fantastic release a-la Apple... perhaps do it differently, you know... Take out the Aotea Centre or something and do a big product release. Even better if you can get it on TV3 or the news or something. Have like... "NovCon 2006" or "Novell Consumer Fair" of some sort; you know; get your shit together. Maybe some free CDs or additional software... Even better if live-installation is included for those that buy the new NLED or something - all without erasing documents and so on (OK maybe some of this is not so feasible at something the size of what I am imagining) OR... Trade in your Microsoft Software (Windows/Office, non-pirate copies of course) for a FREE copy of NLED! Or how about getting someone like [insert random tv-personality here, I will choose Kerry Woodham because I know her from when I was a kid - or even John Campbell] to like, install and show off how pretty the new interface is... on like Good Morning New Zealand or Campbell Live or whatever shows are on these days... that covers your bored housewife demographic, depending on the time of day its shown. Partner with like, Dick Smith, Harvey Norman or someone like that to get it installed on new machines, or some other nation-wide chain that services computers (I don't know if DSE does this...) to get this up and running on some more machines. It can be done, it will more than likely cost some money, but I'm sure it would be worth it. Perhaps some Mom-and-pop style Computer Stores (SmartPC, Millennium Technology, PB Tech, any others I have missed) might like to partner with Novell too... tangible benefits? We all know Microsoft offers incentives, now, don't we! I'll end it here, I am sure you all get my drift :) -- Regards Mathew Carley **UUSI** Nopeita tietokonepalveluita ja ohjausta @ www.fingeekit.com (Avaamme pian!) HostENZ Data Services A Carley Network Media Ltd. (NZ) Company http://www.hostenz.co.nz mathewc(a)hostenz.co.nz Phone (Suomalainen Yhteyshenkilö/Svensk Kontakt): +358 4 4925 0459 Phone (Helsinki Office): +358 9 2316 3712 Phone (Finland Cellular/English): +358 4 0418 6944 **NEW** Phone (France Cellular): +33 6 1811 9475 Sony IVE Number: 243 700 9835 Skype: mgcarley MSN Messenger: mgcarley(a)hostenz.co.nz The information contained in this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential to Carley Network Media Ltd and it's subsidiaries, and may contain proprietary information or may be legally privileged. See http://www.cnmltd.net/email/ for our standard email disclaimer. Errors & Omissions Excepted. Prices in this email do not include GST unless stated otherwise.

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week yesterday)
by Craig Box 10 Mar '06

10 Mar '06

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. Craig

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