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Wiki for beginners
by Craig Box 10 Sep '03

10 Sep '03

Hi everyone, I've been doing some tidying up of the Wiki (our web site) lately, with reference to the comments about beginners being lost. The home page has been rearranged so that it's (hopefully) a bit more obvious where to start. The sidebar has been shrunk a bit too (thanks Perry) so that the backlinks are more prominent. This way, you see not only what the current page links to, but what other pages link to this concept; a really good way to learn what connects to what in the world of Linux. I'd like to encourage anyone who thinks they qualify to look at http://www.wlug.org.nz/NewToLinux, and add suggestions/hints/whatever they need to get the information that you want to hear, on the wiki. (People normally add what they learn, which is why there's a lot about the newer things, but not as much about learning from the ground up, because most of the regular authors did that many years ago.) As a note, debates that are off topic for the mailing list might very well be on topic on the Wiki; please remember however it is another public face of the incorporated society so standard graces need apply. Craig

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RE: [wlug] OFF-TOPIC NZADSL Petition
by DrWho? 10 Sep '03

10 Sep '03

My 1cent worth. I belive, rather then up the bandwidth, telecom should allow ISPs to operate thier own full rate portals for ftp. This will be off more benifit then upping regular bandwidth! At 16:42 9/09/2003 +1200, you wrote: > >Does anyone here really believe that TNZ gives a toss. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrew Thrift @ Millennium >> [mailto:andrew(a)millenniumtechnology.co.nz] >> Sent: Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:50 >> To: wlug >> Subject: [wlug] OFF-TOPIC NZADSL Petition >> >> >> There is a petition online to Telecom New Zealand regarding their >> current crappy data plans. >> >> It can be signed at: >> >> http://www.PetitionOnline.com/nzadsl/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> wlug mailing list >> wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >> http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlu> g >> >> >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list >wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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Market Day
by Paul Jonassen 09 Sep '03

09 Sep '03

Who: Hamilton Amateur Radio Club. Date: Saturday 20th September. Location: Main hall, Claudelands Showgrounds, Hamilton. Time: 10am Public entry. (FREE!) Contents: Electronics, Computers, Communications, Food, X, ?. Email me off list if you would like vendor information. L8R jono!!

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RE: [wlug] OFF-TOPIC NZADSL Petition
by Lindsay Druett 09 Sep '03

09 Sep '03

Does anyone here really believe that TNZ gives a toss. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Thrift @ Millennium > [mailto:andrew(a)millenniumtechnology.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:50 > To: wlug > Subject: [wlug] OFF-TOPIC NZADSL Petition > > > There is a petition online to Telecom New Zealand regarding their > current crappy data plans. > > It can be signed at: > > http://www.PetitionOnline.com/nzadsl/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlu> g > >

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OFF-TOPIC NZADSL Petition
by Andrew Thrift ＠ Millennium 09 Sep '03

09 Sep '03

There is a petition online to Telecom New Zealand regarding their current crappy data plans. It can be signed at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/nzadsl/

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Waikato University Linux
by Edward Murrell 09 Sep '03

09 Sep '03

I was discussing the use of Linux at uni today. One of the main points I was asked to defend was essentially; "Why does Linux sucks so much?" This persons experience with Linux had pretty much centred round the R block, and G basement computers at uni - and I can't say I disagree with her. As far as I can make out, those computers are running some ancient version of Slackware (I think?) with GNOME 1.4, and KDE2. Most of the other WMs seem to be broken. Fonts are abysmal, and the default browser is Netscape 4. The CDRom/fstab is only correctly setup on some of the machines. Frankly, it's embarrassing. While I can understand that the uni staff don't exactly have time to be reinstalling Linux every six months, and that stability is very important, this is the same config that I was using when I attempted second year for the first time back in 2001. >From a brief poke around the /proc/ fs, it's clear the machines are easily capable of running something far more up to date. I would really like to see something along the lines of GNOME 2.X, KDE3, a fairly recent version of say Mozilla, Galeon, or Konqueror, and for the love of god, decent fonts. Given the varsity centric nature of the WLUG, I'm hoping someone can tell me why the Linux machines are in such as sad state. Do the admins not care? Or have they simply forgotten what's running there. Regards Edward

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RE: [wlug] Waikato University Linux
by Jodi Thomson 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

If I recall correctly SCMS is investigating a move from Slackware to a different distro due to its fading support. However that's not something to take lightly, and the number of different services that SCMS support staff have to deal with means a change won't be for a while yet. Plus there's the old saying to bear in mind: if it works and ain't broke - leave it alone Jodi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Shepherd [mailto:kims(a)waikato.ac.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:16 a.m. > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [wlug] Waikato University Linux > > > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 08:31:01PM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote: > > I was discussing the use of Linux at uni today. One of the > main points > > I was asked to defend was essentially; "Why does Linux > sucks so much?" > > > > This persons experience with Linux had pretty much centred > round the R > > block, and G basement computers at uni - and I can't say I disagree > > with her. As far as I can make out, those computers are > running some > > ancient version of Slackware (I think?) with GNOME 1.4, and > KDE2. Most > > of the other WMs seem to be broken. Fonts are abysmal, and > the default > > browser is Netscape 4. The CDRom/fstab is only correctly > setup on some > > of the machines. > > > > Frankly, it's embarrassing. While I can understand that the > uni staff > > don't exactly have time to be reinstalling Linux every six > months, and > > that stability is very important, this is the same config > that I was > > using when I attempted second year for the first time back in 2001. > > > > >From a brief poke around the /proc/ fs, it's clear the machines are > > easily capable of running something far more up to date. I would > > really like to see something along the lines of GNOME 2.X, KDE3, a > > fairly recent version of say Mozilla, Galeon, or Konqueror, and for > > the love of god, decent fonts. > > > > Given the varsity centric nature of the WLUG, I'm hoping > someone can > > tell me why the Linux machines are in such as sad state. Do > the admins > > not care? Or have they simply forgotten what's running there. > > > > Regards > > Edward > > Do the people raising these issues have student home > directories? Do they browse the web using their student > account? Do they print to charged print queues? Do they ever > use www.waikato.ac.nz? Or igate? Do they use University mailing lists? > > There are a myriad of other services running solely on Linux, > of course.. these are just the ones that I can think of right now. > > Then again, you're probably talking about SCMS lab PCs, which > I've never seen, and SCMS don't use a bunch of our services anyway. > > -k. > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlu> g > >

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RE: [wlug] Waikato University Linux
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

> From: Edward Murrell [mailto:edward(a)murrell.co.nz] > > I was discussing the use of Linux at uni today. One of the > main points I > was asked to defend was essentially; "Why does Linux sucks so much?" > > This persons experience with Linux had pretty much centred round the > R block, and G basement computers at uni - and I can't say I disagree > with her. As far as I can make out, those computers are running some > ancient version of Slackware (I think?) with GNOME 1.4, and KDE2. Most > of the other WMs seem to be broken. > Fonts are abysmal, and the default browser is Netscape 4. The > CDRom/fstab is only correctly setup on some of the machines. I've talked about this problem with others a number of times. It's been ages since I was at uni now but when I was there all of the machines were well behind in their operating systems. Not just Linux machines but the Macs and Windows boxes too (well the few windows boxes I saw anyway). Whenever someone put down another OS based purely on using uni computers I just used to say to them "If you had an <insert their favourite OS here> machine set up the way they are at uni would you like to use that?". Nobody ever said yes. Matt Browne

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.geek.nz - last day to vote
by nzserver 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

good thing it got brought in :) http://www.domainname.geek.nz > I haven't heard anything yet, no doubt Dean Pemberton will tell us in > the first instance when he can. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat at ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2003 10:09 > To: wlug > Subject: Re: [wlug] FW: [nznog] .geek.nz - last day to vote > > > .. Any results yet ???????????????? > > > On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 12:00, Lindsay Druett wrote: > > Hi There, > > > > We need your support here... > > If you want a .geek.nz domain, vote yes. > > > > Word has it that heaps of people have voted "no", we need your > > support. >

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simple CAD program
by Glenn Ramsey 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

Hi, I need to annotate some pictures with dimension lines showing angles. Does anyone know if there is a Linux 2D CAD program that will let me load a jpg image and draw dimension lines on it? I know there are lots of programs of this type around but as yet I haven't come across one that lets me do this. g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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RE: [wlug] Domain squatting (was re: .geek.nz - last day to vote)
by Lindsay Druett 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

Ah come on, it's like having having personalised plates on your car... Do I have personalised plates on my car ? Of course not, but if I waited a day, I could have got BGPxxx (instead of BGNxxx) then I would have had personalised number plates at no extra cost... Seriously, domain names now have a huge slice of action in the advertising industry, more and more business are branding themselves with their domain name. At the end of the day, you just have to honestly ask yourself, "Why did we all want .geek.nz ?..." > -----Original Message----- > From: crb6-forwarding > Sent: Monday, 8 September 2003 14:26 > To: 'wlug' > Subject: [wlug] Domain squatting (was re: .geek.nz - last day to vote) > > > > good thing it got brought in :) > > > > http://www.domainname.geek.nz > > I don't know about you, but I really hate it when domain > names are treated like goods to be bought to speculate on. > Especially for those 'metasearch sites' that exist on domain > names that people are likely to visit. > http://www.bootdisks.com/ is today's example of this. You really meant to visit 'bootdisk.com'. I'd really hope that the people who run domainname.geek.nz are not encouraging this kind of practise, and that all the .geek.nz domains that were bought are going to go to good use, not be sold off at a profit to someone who really wanted it but wasn't quick enough. Craig _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Mailman/Pipermail Email Address Obsfucation
by Matt Brown 07 Sep '03

07 Sep '03

Hi, Does anybody her have experience in obsfucating email addresses in list archives to prevent spam harvesting using pipermail/mailman. The standard mailman privacy options only seem to apply to mailman configuration / list information pages not the archives which are generated by pipermail, and pipermail seems to be extinct. I would like all email addresses in the archives to appear as From: Matt Brown <matt(a)m...> rather than From: Matt Brown <matt(a)myrealdomain.com> Is anybody able to offer a solution to this problem? Regards -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz

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RE: [wlug] Job Vacancy - Computer Engineer
by Lindsay Druett 01 Sep '03

01 Sep '03

Congratulations on getting your new job, I hope it works out for you. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Thrift @ Millennium [mailto:andrew(a)millenniumtechnology.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2003 14:24 To: wlug Subject: [wlug] Job Vacancy - Computer Engineer I am leaving Millennium to take up a position as IT Manager for a Napier based investments group. Due to this there is a vacancy here for someone with the following experience: * Windows NT/2000 Server * Linux (RedHat/Gentoo) * Hardware fault diagnosis and repair * Network design * Current drivers licence You must also have good people skills as this position invloves dealing directly with the customer. If you are interested, send your curriculum vitae to: grant(a)millenniumtechnology.co.nz Regards, Andrew Thrift

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help with backup options
by Jodi Thomson 01 Sep '03

01 Sep '03

Hi folks I've got Compaq ML370 G3 here running RedHat 8.0. I need to put a tape backup unit into it and have narrowed it down to two options 1) HP storage works SDLT 220 Tape Drive 2) HP storage works Ultrium 230 Tape Drive I want something that is easy to run using shell scripting for backups and of course is easy to restore. Both are supported by RH8.0 however I have never spec'd a unit for linux before. Has anyone used either Ultrium or SDLT with Linux and can let me know how they got on? Cheers Jodi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before."

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KDE: how to remove the stupid dragon.
by Glyn Webster 31 Aug '03

31 Aug '03

Does anyone know how to remove that stupid bloody dragon in bib that decorates KDE's logout window? "Konqi" I think it's is called. * I've used 'find' to scan my file system for PNG or JPEG files with "Konqi" in their names but it doesn't seem that simple -- all I found was an ominous image of a KDE cogwheel with a bomb in it. * I found an image that looked just like the one I wanted to removed: "/usr/share/apps/kdeui/pics/aboutkde.png". I replaced that with a transparent PNG, but that didn't help either. (BTW: No. "Use Gnome" wasn't the answer I was after.) -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity Himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz ~ http://tiddly-pom.com

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KDE: how to remove the stupid dragon: HOORAY!
by Glyn Webster 31 Aug '03

31 Aug '03

There are various "kde-sdscreen" RPM's floating around to change the shutdown window image. All they do is replace "shutdownkonq.png". The RPM I downloaded would have put it here: /usr/X11R6/share/apps/ksmserver/pics/shutdownkonq.png but on Mandrake I found the little bastard here: /usr/share/apps/ksmserver/pics/shutdownkonq.png And I overwrote him with a 1x1 pixel transparent PNG. It worked! P.S. while googling I found this in the mailing list archive of another LUG: "My deskpot completely freezed, couldn't even do Ctrl+Alt+Del. so I turn the power off." "Deskpot". I'm sure there's a novel user interface idea in there somewhere. -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity Himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz ~ http://tiddly-pom.com

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Job Vacancy - Computer Engineer
by Andrew Thrift ＠ Millennium 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

I am leaving Millennium to take up a position as IT Manager for a Napier based investments group. Due to this there is a vacancy here for someone with the following experience: * Windows NT/2000 Server * Linux (RedHat/Gentoo) * Hardware fault diagnosis and repair * Network design * Current drivers licence You must also have good people skills as this position invloves dealing directly with the customer. If you are interested, send your curriculum vitae to: grant(a)millenniumtechnology.co.nz Regards, Andrew Thrift

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Re: Re: [wlug] more i8500 / lvm / new kernel
by Stephen Pearce 27 Aug '03

27 Aug '03

Hi Well it doesn't work with root=LABEL=/ either .. though the custom kernel (compiled from a rh rpm source file does .. indicating to me some problem in the way I compiled the linux2.6.0test4 code ... I compiled in lvm support .. though did not include raid support .. I presume one can take the latest kernel disto from kernel.org and put it in usr/src and compile and install it (it upgrades grub automatically to include the new kernel as a boot option) and this is transparent to the red hat distro. or are there rh specific switches? re /dev/hda5 possibility this is not addressed in the custom installation which does run .. and the boot and kernel directories shopuld be the same for the new kernel. Thanks Stephen > > root (hd0,2) > > # kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-test4 ro root=LABEL=/ hdc=ide-scsi > > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-test4 ro root=/dev/hda3 hdc=ide-scsi > > initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.0-test4.img > > > You have /dev/hda3 here. What does it do with root=LABEL=/ ? > > > > /dev/hda3 1251 1301 409657+ 83 Linux > > /dev/hda4 1302 7296 48154837+ f Win95 Ext'd (LBA) > > /dev/hda5 1302 3851 20482843+ 8e Linux LVM > > > It seems /dev/hda3 is your /boot not your root drive. Perhaps the entry > above should be /dev/hda5? > > Cheers > > Philip Murray - Systems Engineer > webmaster(a)open2view.com - Open2view.com > www.open2view.com > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Free Sun to a good home
by Matt Purvis 26 Aug '03

26 Aug '03

Hi all, I have a freebie if any one wants it: a Sun "X" 3/60. It comes with a large colour monitor, keyboard & old-school optical mouse (+ two of those special optical mouse pads). I also have a Sun GDM-1662B monitor that I used to use on my SPARCstations until I discovered the wonderful Sun Console Converter which lets you use a VGA screen and PS/2 keyboard and mouse instead! I might have a spare SPARCstation keyboard and mouse too if anyone needs them. Off-topic but I also have an RCA-brand NTSC television to give away. It runs on 110V and has F-connector RF input only (no A/V inputs sorry). I repeat, this is all FREE as I am moving to the South Island and must part with my beloved junk. I can offer free delivery any where in Hamilton (or between Hamilton and Waihi). Please reply off-list only. You can contact me via email or sms/phone on 021 399 844. Cheers, Matt

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more i8500 / lvm / new kernel
by Stephen Pearce 26 Aug '03

26 Aug '03

Further to my recent post enclosed is my grub.conf and a list of the partitions on my disk ... the custom kernel ..2nd option loads fine but the new 2.6 kernel crashes when it tries to access root / .. despite the entry being pretty well identical to that of the custom kernel. Any comments appreciated Stephen # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You do not have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /, eg. # root (hd0,2) # kernel /boot/vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda3 # initrd /boot/initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/hda default=1 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,2)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Red Hat Linux (2.6.0-test4) root (hd0,2) # kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-test4 ro root=LABEL=/ hdc=ide-scsi kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-test4 ro root=/dev/hda3 hdc=ide-scsi initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.0-test4.img title Red Hat Linux (2.4.20-19.9.acpi.5custom) root (hd0,2) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-19.9.acpi.5custom ro root=LABEL=/ hdc=ide-scsi initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.20-19.9.acpi.5custom.img title DOS rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader +1 Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/hda: 60.0 GB, 60011642880 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7296 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 1 4 32098+ de Dell Utility /dev/hda2 * 5 1250 10008495 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda3 1251 1301 409657+ 83 Linux /dev/hda4 1302 7296 48154837+ f Win95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda5 1302 3851 20482843+ 8e Linux LVM /dev/hda6 3852 6401 20482843+ 8e Linux LVM /dev/hda7 6402 6655 2040223+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda8 6656 7296 5148801 8e Linux LVM

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list moderator
by Stephen Pearce 26 Aug '03

26 Aug '03

My 60 K message .. including lisitng of config. and grub.conf got stopped by its size ... would the moderator let this one though please? Stephen

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.geek.nz Available
by Daniel Appleton 26 Aug '03

26 Aug '03

> Dear Customer, > > You may be interested to know the .geek.nz Domain > has become available for registrations as of 11:00am > this morning. > > We are offering .geek.nz registrations for $35.00 > per year (+gst) at www.domainagent.co.nz > > the Web Drive Team http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search

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i8500 / red hat / kernel upgrade / acpi / LVM
by Stephen Pearce 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

HELP!!! Hi All! Just got an inspiron 8500/1G/60G/dvd+rw,cdrom/etc Successifully installed rh9.0 .. then upgraded to a patched kernel from an rpm package better .. but not perfectly, optomised for the 8500 power management. Instituted LVM, with no physiscal boot partition as this is what someone who posted a fix for rh on the 8500 .. and it sounded like a good idea. Bit frustrated by lack of support, still for power management even in the patched kernel .. so grabbed a 2.5.75 kernel ..and also a 2.6.0test4 kernel from kernel.org .. compiled ok and installed to grub loader .. .. root=LABEL=/ but it won't mount root and hangs at this point. I tried changing root to /dev/hda2 .. which is where I put linux (hda0 is the dell maintainance partition and hda1 is xp .. yes got it to load and even recompiled to get ntfs support .. successfully) I presume this is some arcane problem with LVM .. any ideas .. next step might be to start from scratch and get rid of LVM. Many thanks Stephen

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WLUG meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder Bot 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

Today is 25/08/2003 The WLUG meeting is tonight Monday 25 August, 7:30pm Introduction to the BSD Family of Operating Systems, presented by MatthewLuckie. Location: CrawshawSchool. Synopsis to be announced. Stay tuned. _________________________________________________________________

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checkinstall
by S Swami 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

It was mentioned in the meeting tonight that installing from source was troublesome for package management systems in that installed files are not recorded in any database. This makes uninstalling difficult. The program 'checkinstall' goes some way in alleviating the problem. It works very well with Slackware packages; I don't know about rpms or debs. See: http://checkinstall.izto.org/ Regards, Sid.

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RE: [wlug] Linux in schools
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

> From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] > > I know that one of the largest complaints from Photoshop > users about The Gimp is the retraining time needed. Without > going into the fact that you can get The Gimp in win32 > anyway, or without discussing relative merits of the two > applications, if you are doing a course on graphic design, > and The Gimp will do everything you need, then why not use it? Well first I have to say I agree with your basic point here but I really think this is a bad example. Gimp may have the same basic functionality as Photoshop but it's nowhere near as usable. Dropping a newbie in Gimp would put them off the Graphic Design industry for life. Besides, most books on the subject refer to Photoshop's implementation. I agree this is not ideal but until Gimp improves and other factors (like books, etc) are addressed I don't think anything will change. That said Gimp can be very handy at times and certainly isn't lacking functionality. Just using 1c here. Never know when I might need the other 1c. Matt Browne

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RE: [wlug] Linux in schools
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

> From: Perry Lorier [mailto:perry(a)coders.net] > > Recent version of The Gimp have changed the useability a lot, > for instance by making the "right click" menu permanently > dock'd into the top of the image window by default, which > tends to avoid the "what on earth do I do now?" problem. Actually I was comparing a very recent version of Gimp I have here at work, it was at the same point release at least. Just upgraded to the latest and I can't say I see much difference in the UI and I really don't think that menu thing helps much. Photoshop on the other hand I haven't really used intensively since version 5.5 so if anything, I'm possibly underestimating the difference. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Photoshop has a perfect interface or anything but Gimp's is pretty awful in comparison. Matt Browne

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Linux in schools
by Terry Cole 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

Folks, With all the MS problems/virus as well as Exchange problems I have been having, I am keen to try a Linux option at our high school. I have RH 9 Web server that performs great, no downtime. I have spoken with our board chair who is also on my side. For workstations and server what OS and Apps should I use? We need 'Office', 'Corel', 'Internet', 'E-mail', 'Publisher'. I want to put a small network together to show the staff. Any suggestions would be great. Cheers Terry Cole Rotorua, New Zealand mailto:terry(a)cole.gen.nz http://www.cole.gen.nz http://www.websnz.com

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Swap not enabling
by Gene Smith 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

Hi guys, I haven't booted with linux for a few months, but when there was talk of a possible newbies class I thought I had better get a little more familiar. Whan I choose redhat 9 as the duel boot option it started booting but got stuck at enabling the swap and it won't go any further. Any clues as to a fix? Thanks :) _________________________________________________________________ Check out the Xtra gaming servers at http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming !

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Next RHEL to be completely Free?
by Craig Box 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

"Taroon (the new Red Hat Enterprise Linux) ships with version 2.1 of the open source Eclipse Development Environment. Eclipse requires a Java virtual machine to run, but Taroon doesn't ship with one." http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1228480,00.asp While the article is short on information, it inspires me with hope that due to Red Hat Inc's new position on 'only OSS software in their distribution' that the entirety of RHEL 3 will fall under the GPL and it will be copyable for those who want the stable platform but don't want commercial support. Craig

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ride to the next meeting available from Ham East
by S Swami 23 Aug '03

23 Aug '03

Hi, Glyn and I will be taking a car from Hamilton East to Monday's meeting. So if anyone would like a lift there and/or back, just drop one of us an email. Note that given the terrain that our ramblings span, it is unlikely that we will be taking the shortest path. Indeed, I cannot even guarantee that the route will be acylic -or even directed for that matter- ;) Sid.

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Gallery
by Daniel Appleton 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

My gallery (http://gallery.dapples.net.nz/) seems to have broken itself. Anyone have any ideas as to what has gone wrong? Daniel http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search

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Open Office and VGA Monitors
by Roger 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

I have Red Hat 8 on a machine, which has an old VGA monitor. Is it possible to configure Open Office to work with such an old monitor? At present the text and icons of Open Office take up the majority of the screen, so it is effectively unusable. The other applications do not suffer from the same severe problem. Any help or pointers would be appreciated. Thanks in anticipation, Roger

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Excellent article for Advocacy
by Andrew Thrift ＠ Millennium 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh

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Wireless Equipment (off-list topic)
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U LIMITED 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Hi, Does anybody have any Orinoco Wireless Equipment that they wish to part with? If so, please get in touch with me off-list. Regards, Sahil Gupta Senior Account Manager NET4U LIMITED Phone: 0508-263-848 Fax: 07-8582659 Mobile: 029-366-6375

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open office/star office
by Roger Win 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

does any one ahave a copy of open office that they could provide a copy of? Roger Win

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WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

Today is 21/08/2003 The WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away Monday 25 August, 7:30pm Introduction to the BSD Family of Operating Systems, presented by MatthewLuckie. Location: CrawshawSchool. Synopsis to be announced. Stay tuned. _________________________________________________________________

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Just looking for Andrew Thrift
by Adrian Kitto 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

Hi, Can Andrew please mail me back? Or can someone please provide me with his e-mail address? Regards Adrian Kitto

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Committee meeting
by Craig Box 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

As per the decision at the last WLUG society committee meeting, subsequent committee meetings will be not be held alongside WLUG presentation meetings, but instead will be held the Thursday prior. I remind everyone there is a WLUG-Committee list that society members are welcome to join but cannot post to. (See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug-committee) If anyone has any items they wish to have bought before the WLUG committee, please email them to me before Wednesday afternoon; they will be assembled into an agenda for the meeting at that point. Craig WLUG Secretary

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 17 Aug '03

17 Aug '03

Today is 18/08/2003 The WLUG meeting is one week away Monday 25 August, 7:30pm Introduction to the BSD Family of Operating Systems, presented by MatthewLuckie. Synopsis and location to be announced. Stay tuned. _________________________________________________________________

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Re: [wlug] ragger's newbie again: to make a file executable
by sable drum 16 Aug '03

16 Aug '03

thanks for that! i hope there is an easier approach -- would a mandrake file manager do this automatically? i must check it out a bit more. i might just take up your offer again re: next meeting. i almost have things sorted and then someother unknown crops up -- drives me crazy. part of learning....:-) sigh m >From: Daniel Lawson <daniel(a)meta.net.nz> >Reply-To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Subject: Re: [wlug] ragger's newbie again: to make a file executable >Date: 15 Aug 2003 08:00:39 +1200 > > > > so, let me get this straight. the device is mounted ok, the file is on >the > > harddrive, now i am simply telling the OS to fetch it and install it. >and > > the "cdroaster 1.12" is the name regardless of what the file appears to >be > > called in the file manager? i didn't try that name with chmod coz i >thought > > i had a different version.... > >You will need to use the name that relates to the version you actually >have. I still suspect there is any easier way of doing this than the >approach you are taking, but I dont have the familiarity with Mandrake >to offer assistance via email (or phone, or irc). > > >I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to look at your machine last meeting - >the committee meeting took a LOT longer than we expected. I don't think >the location for the next meeting has been announced, but if it is going >to be at Crawshaw School, then you are welcome to bring your machine >along (turn up a bit early if you can, 7 ish) and we'll try to get >things working there. Crawshaw has a 'net connection so we can download >anything we need to (Radio Clubrooms dont, makes it hard for fixing >machines in a lot of cases). > > > > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list >wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Download MSN Messenger @ http://messenger.xtramsn.co.nz - talk to family and friends overseas!

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Re: [wlug] ragger's newbie again: to make a file executable
by sable drum 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

thanks for that. i will try it out fri or sat so, let me get this straight. the device is mounted ok, the file is on the harddrive, now i am simply telling the OS to fetch it and install it. and the "cdroaster 1.12" is the name regardless of what the file appears to be called in the file manager? i didn't try that name with chmod coz i thought i had a different version.... so making it executable means that when i go back to the GUI for cdroast, the permission to write will be "yes" instead of "no" and once every file is read, it will burn?? are we that close to making it happen? even in this weird post full moon period?? >From: Perry Lorier <perry(a)coders.net> >Reply-To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Subject: Re: [wlug] ragger's newbie again: to make a file executable >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:24:12 +1200 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid5800 > >Hmm, I think you ment >http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5800 > ^ > > > and am stuck at the part that says "make file executable" > > using chmod and g group something > >You mean: > chmod 700 cdrtoaster-1.12 > usermod -G cdwrite username > >? > >The author is suggesting you do this so you can install this software from >scratch. > >So you download it >then type "chmod 700 cdrtoaster-1.12" in the directory that >"cdrtoaster-1.12" exists in. > > > this feels really silly but i cannot figure out what is the correct file > > name for my file -- i use the one that is on the file as displayed in >the > > file manager but chmod does not find it. > > > > what am i doing wrong???? > > > > thanks folks from me here in raggers town is overcast and it is full >moon, > > which is always dangerous on one level or another. :-) > >Heh! The bugs will be out in force tonight! > >- -- >My mind is making ashtrays in Dayton ... >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid > >iD8DBQE/OM5bcAgRpy8z8UQRAsfOAJ9+P2JK8KMg+P+eHKgv70nP7P+GCQCfVxg/ >4S6ShDaVEKdc0n8aBqL/+m8= >=RXqd >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list >wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Download MSN Messenger @ http://messenger.xtramsn.co.nz - add your friends!

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Common Install Standard
by edward＠murrell.co.nz 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

Hi all. Below is a submission for standard that I'm working on. I'd appreciate thoughts, comments, and ideas. Recently, I have been working over strategies for Linux on the desktop. In particular, I've been comparing usability of system administration tasks to Windows 2K/XP and Mac OS X, the main contenders on the desktop. System administration tasks are done by almost everybody who owns a computer. It's not only things like applying security patch's, but includes mundane things like cleaning out old files, changing thedial-up number for your ISP, and installing and removing software. The last point is a bit of contention under Linux. Sure, apt-get, urmpi, and the like make it easy to get and install the latest open source software from your favourite vendor, but they don't cover 'other'software. Third party, and closed source software is somewhat more difficult. Third party applications are often found on CDs, and quite often the vendor may not be around any more. While there are many arguments for and against closed source software, the fact is that it exists, and it needs to be installed, maintained, and eventually, removed. A common example of popular third party applications are games. Currently, every vendor has their own method of handling the installation and (optionally) removal of software. This is often handled by scripts, Make files, or an GUI application stored somewhere on the file system, perhaps on the original CD. This is confusing for the end user, and to be brutally honest, it's a mess. While it is possible to statically compile libraries, it's not exactly reasonable to have binary files with every single piece of information required to run a program. Things like icons, sound, data, andconfiguration files all often need to be accessible to the user and other programs. One possibility, that I put forward here, is for a simple install and uninstall system, based around symlinks, and a common applications directory. The application, to all outward appearances in most common file browsers, would appear as a file, but it's really a directory. Let us assume the application is called 'Foo'. Foo consists of binary files, supporting libraries, icons, configuration files usually found in /etc/, and so on. We can express most of these in terms of where they normally fit in the unix file system. A few, mainly icons, and programsshortcuts, vary from environment to environment. The 'Applications' folder is accessible from the users Control panel as a special directory, allowing write access with sudo and the rootpassword. The folder itself would most likely sit in somewhere like /usr/local/Applications/. Thus, our application 'Foo', would be in /usr/local/Applications/Foo/. It's file structure would look something like this: /usr/local/Applications/Foo/ /usr/local/Applications/Foo/icon.svg /usr/local/Applications/Foo/description.txt /usr/local/Applications/Foo/main -> ./tree/usr/local/bin/foo /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/usr/bin/foo /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/usr/lib/foo/libfoo.so /usr/local/Applications/Foo/install/etc/foo/foo.conf /usr/local/Applications/Foo/home/.foo/ To install, symlinks from are made from /usr/bin/foo and /usr/lib/foo/ and /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/usr/lib/foo/ to/usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/usr/bin/foo, and to /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/usr/lib/foo/. A copy of /usr/local/Applications/Foo/install/etc/foo/foo.conf is made to /etc/, so that changes made to the configuration do not affect the original files of the program. At the most basic level, Foo/ needs to be copied from it's original source to /usr/local/Applications/ and a script run to copy files in Foo/install/ and make symlinks of the files in Foo/tree/. However, this allows for much greater usability. The file Foo/icon.svg can replace the standard folder icon, and Foo/description.txt can contain multiple language descriptions of the program, to be read by any program used to handle the installation and removal of applications. On moreuser-friendly systems, double clicking on the icon for the program on a CD would prompt the user if they wish to install the program. Attempting to delete the 'program' from the Applications directory would prompt the user if they wish to 'uninstall'. The computer would then remove the symlinks and any configuration files. It also allows the program to ask if the user wishes to remove the system configuration files, originally copied from the the Foo/install/ directory, and user configuration files, originally copied from the Foo/home/ directory. Other benefits of this method come to mind. Source installed packages, for example, Mplayer, instead of being installed directly into the file system, is instead copied into /usr/local/Applications/mplayer/, and installed in the above manner. Mplayer can then be copied easily to other systems, and removed easily. It is also fairly easy to install such applications in systems that do not support it 'natively'. Although a simple shell script is all that is required to 'install' the programs, files can easily be symlinked and copied by hand if need be. I will emphasise again that this system is not meant to replace things link apt-get and rpm, but sit alongside them, and provide a common simple platform independent way of installing third party software.

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The Hamilton PC users group meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder Bot 12 Aug '03

12 Aug '03

The The Hamilton PC users group meeting is tonight This is an announcement about the Hamilton PC Users Group, not the next WLUG meeting. Feel free to ignore it. If you're interested in the PC Users Group they meet about 7:30pm on the second Wednesday of each month at St Peters Cathedral Hall, which is up the hill at the South End of Victoria Street. They also have a website at http://crash.ihug.co.nz/~jonali/, but it was last modified 09/07/1999 and appears to be out of date.

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ragger's newbie again: to make a file executable
by sable drum 12 Aug '03

12 Aug '03

hi! i am learning how to use cdroast on mandrake 9.0. i have checked that the ide-scsi diver is indeed loaded and i can check that i have a functional burner at cd level using cdrecord -scanbus. both parts a-ok! now, along with wlug advice from last week or so, i am using advice from this article http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid5800 and am stuck at the part that says "make file executable" using chmod and g group something this feels really silly but i cannot figure out what is the correct file name for my file -- i use the one that is on the file as displayed in the file manager but chmod does not find it. what am i doing wrong???? thanks folks from me here in raggers town is overcast and it is full moon, which is always dangerous on one level or another. :-) _________________________________________________________________ Surf the net and talk on the phone with Xtra Jetstream @ http://www.xtra.co.nz/products/0,,5803,00.html !

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RE: [nznog] RPC DCOM Worm On The Loose
by Lindsay Druett 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

Yep... We have live one :-) Secure your Windows Servers, upgrade them to Linux :-) > For those who have not read /. Yet > http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?date=2003-08-11 > > For those who cant read the link > Here is a cut and paste > > > This RPC DCOM worm started spreading early afternoon EDT > (evening UTC). At this point, it is spreading rapidly. > > ********** > NOTE: PRELIMINARY. Do not base your incidents response solely > on this writeup. ********** > > Increase in port 135 activity: > http://isc.sans.org/images/port135percent.png > > Latest update: The worm may launch a syn flood against > windowsupdate.com on the 16th. (unconfirmed) > > The worm uses the RPC DCOM vulnerability to propagate. One it > finds a vulnerable system, it will spawn a shell on port 4444 > and use it to download the actual worm via tftp. The exploit > itself is very close to 'dcom.c' and so far appears to use > the "universal Win2k" offset only. > > The name of the binary is msblast.exe. It is packed with UPX > and will self extract. The size of the binary is about > 11kByte unpacked, and 6kBytes packed: > > MD5sum packed: 5ae700c1dffb00cef492844a4db6cd69 (6176 Bytes) > > So far we found the following properties: > > - Scans sequentially for machines with open port 135, > starting at a presumably random IP address > - uses multiple TFTP servers to pull the binary > - adds a registry key to start itself after reboot > > Name of registry key: > SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run, name: 'windows > auto update' > > Strings of interest: > > msblast.exe > I just want to say LOVE YOU SAN!! > billy gates why do you make this possible ? Stop making money > and fix your software!! windowsupdate.com start %s tftp -i %s > GET %s %d.%d.%d.%d %i.%i.%i.%i BILLY windows auto update > SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run > > Existing RPC DCOM snort signatures will detect this worm. The > worm is based on dcom.c > > known tftp servers for this worm: > > 204.210.57.87 > 217.211.179.193 > 24.147.64.171 > 24.147.64.205 > 24.147.64.208 > 24.147.65.146 > 24.147.65.45 > 24.147.65.9 > 61.254.65.159 > 67.119.36.219 > 68.112.65.38 > 68.166.102.136 > 68.166.107.21 > 68.166.111.175 > 68.166.120.34 > 68.166.121.135 > 68.166.123.4 > 68.166.124.186 > 68.166.124.93 > 68.166.139.155 > 68.166.139.210 > 68.166.141.66 > 68.166.142.194 > 68.166.142.215 > 68.166.36.178 > 68.166.56.123 > 68.166.60.51 > 68.166.98.3 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nzn> og > >

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Hamilton PC Users Group meeting is tomorrow night
by Meeting Reminder Bot 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

The Hamilton PC Users Group meeting is tomorrow night This is an announcement about the Hamilton PC Users Group, not the next WLUG meeting. Feel free to ignore it. If you're interested in the PC Users Group they meet about 7:30pm on the second Wednesday of each week at St Peters Cathedral Hall, which is up the hill at the South End of Victoria Street. They also have a website at http://crash.ihug.co.nz/~jonali/, but it was last modified 09/07/1999 and appears to be out of date.

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RE: [wlug] The Wiki
by Lindsay Druett 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

> Some kind soul had the mark-up fixed within minutes. > > Next morning, I went back to the page to view the masterpiece > of the night before. It was gone, refactored out of > existence by some guy in Europe :-) > Now let me guess who that is... It must be Aristotle Pagaltzis

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The Wiki
by Perry Lorier 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Since we're unlikely to get much traffic to the wiki for the next while from google, perhaps we should do something else to get the traffic up. I propose we have another week of trying to put information into the Wiki. For those of you that haven't tried to contribute, goto http://www.wlug.org.nz/ and find a page, and click the "Edit" button at the bottom. It'll ask you for your name, you can put anything there, just take your first and last names, capitalise them and mush them together, thus "Perry Lorier" -> "PerryLorier". Then edit the page. If you don't know what to add, check out * http://www.wlug.org.nz/HelpingOut * http://www.wlug.org.nz/WantedWikis (generated regularly) Also, perhaps look at what searches people are doing * http://www.wlug.org.nz/webalizer/ * http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/querys-recent.txt or, if you want a nice long download * http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/querys.txt Perhaps also try reviews of software you've used, or questions you want answers to. If everyone adds one page a day for 5 days, we will have a huge impact on the amount of extra information in the wiki when google decides to readd us to the index :) - -- I smell a RANCID CORN DOG! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid iD8DBQE/NPYtcAgRpy8z8UQRAhYiAJ9+YD656zCD0Bh+u2AOKQ9e8FRIOgCeNw3R Jqmktw0eddX/6pBo7B+ZCuA= =b/XM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Google searches
by Gavin Grieve 09 Aug '03

09 Aug '03

Is it just me or have we fallen off Googles radar? I've tried a few searches including (without the quotes - they just show what i searched for) "wlug", "waikato linux users group", "linux afsnotes", "linux wlug ipv6" and i didn't get a single hit for the wiki. I did get a few hits for "waikato linux users group" that referred to the mailing list, or links from other sites. Has enabling ipv6 on www.wlug.org.nz broken googles ability to access the wiki and provide links to it? Just a thought - not sure what else could be the problem. Ideas? Gavin Grieve

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Re: [wlug] Learning the CLI ... using the wiki as well
by Jared Wigmore 09 Aug '03

09 Aug '03

> I think that the offer that we have for live CLI> tutorials using Rute> is great. But we need also to provide ongoing help.> Is it possible> to make further use of our excellent infrastructure:> the wiki? Can> we have portions of the rute with comments from us> and perhaps with> one or more people proof-reading this part of the> wiki?I think we could. I might be a proof-reader; I've been almost obsessive-compulsive about error correction the last few years. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities! Try Yahoo! Personals, FREE for a limited period!

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kppp sucky-motto
by S Swami 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

'top(1)' tells me that my ppp connection from the console (while in X) takes significantly less memory than kppp: ------------------------------------------------------------------- # X usage for comparison PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 390 root 18 0 16880 9268 3444 R 3.6 7.3 8:12.19 X # dial-up connection via console PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 24477 root 8 0 876 872 732 S 0.0 0.7 0:00.01 pppd # and then later dial-up connection via kppp PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 25070 sns 9 0 13012 12m 11m S 0.0 10.3 0:01.34 kppp 25071 root 9 0 8080 8080 7624 S 0.0 6.4 0:00.01 kppp ------------------------------------------------------------------- Any advice will be appreciated. (I know what Craig's thinking :) Cheers, Sid.

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geek.nz
by Oliver Jones 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

-- Quote --- The new Second Level Domain, .geek.nz, will be available through Domainz from 11am on Tuesday 26 August 2003. .geek.nz will be an open (not moderated) second level, and will be available on a 'first come, first served' basis. Registrations can be made as usual either through our website or using the email template. Please feel free to get in touch with me if you have any questions relating to .geek.nz, or about your Provider account in general. -- Quote --

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Re: [wlug] Some things I use.
by Martin Baehr 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

Distribution: debian Instant Messaging: none -> sTeam Web Browser: firebird Email: mutt IRC: ircii (to lazy to look for something better :-), roxenchat (not irc) Music (Ogg/MP3): xmms, mplayer... Movie players: mplayer (works always) (never seen xine working) Office Suite: none Remote Access/Control: ssh PDF: gv Graphics: gimp Image Viewer: xzgv (am not entirely happy with it, but others are worse) Text/Code Editor: vi Personal Finance: vi (i have a text file where i write down all my expenses) Servers: Caudium, sTeam, wwwoffle (occasionally) Window Manager: Window Maker Office: screen (in servers in austria) (the office is the place where you have all the tools you need to do your office work. all i need is a terminal running ssh (putty if necessary) and a network-connection, add a browser and my office is complete) greetings, martin. -- Pike Conference 2003 - Sep 25-27 - http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/ -- interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer working in europe open-steam.org unix system- bahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at administrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/

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Domain Names NZ Scam
by Daniel Appleton 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

*- Quote --- Domain Names NZ Published at 11:09, 05/08/2003 The Domain Name Commissioner is aware of a mass mail out by an entity trading as "Domain Names NZ". "Domain Names NZ" appears to be sending pro forma letters to registrants of .co.nz domain names. The letters seek fees for the registration of the .net.nz version of the same name. The Domain Name Commissioner is not aware of any authorised .nz domain name registrar using the trade name "Domain Names NZ". The letters to registrants specify a .net.nz domain name to be registered. Bona fide .nz domain name registrars are not permitted to specify a particular domain name in an offer of registry services. The letters are also in a printed form that looks similar to an invoice or a renewal notice. This may cause confusion. Registrants who have recently received what appears to be an invoice or a renewal notice are strongly advised to look carefully at all details before paying any sum requested. Registrants are strongly advised to be cautious before proceeding with any registration offered in a letter from Domain Names NZ. Registrants are also reminded that they are under no obligation to proceed with the registration and that doing nothing will not affect their current domain name. The DNC is monitoring the situation and will investigate any possible breaches of .nz policy. If people have concerns about the actions of Domain Names NZ please email info(a)dnc.org.nz *- End Quote --- I too recieved mail from these fools today. I wrote them a letter in vivid over what they send me and I'm gonna post it back to them. :) -- Daniel http://dapples.net.nz/ -- http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities! Try Yahoo! Personals, FREE for a limited period!

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RE: [wlug] Some things I use.
by Lindsay Druett 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

Hey Jamie or Daniel Do you have the Debian CD handy ? -----Original Message----- From: Lindsay Druett Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 14:00 To: wlug Subject: RE: [wlug] Some things I use. Things I use... WinXP Outlook Media Player (Playing Gatecrasher) Notepad Cisco TFTP 5x Putty 2x Windows Explorer Folders and now 1x Error Report... "Would you like to send this error report to Microsoft ?" -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 12:20 To: wlug Subject: Re: [wlug] Some things I use. The problem I have with mplayer at the moment is with some windows media playing the sound lagged by about 2 seconds. I can watch the videos but the sound is out of sync. Ah well, at least it kinda works. :) On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 10:00, edward(a)murrell.co.nz wrote: Funny, I use debian as well, but I've always had issues getting mplayer to behave intelligently. It works, but I end up with this weird thing where it will refuse to fullscreen. I've managed to get to work a few times, but it's not as simple as say, just apt-get install xine-ui totem w32codecs, which seem to have intelligent defaults for controls, and handle any file I throw at it (short of real player crap). Although to be fair, if you don't grab the w32codecs deb package (it's somewhere on apt-get.org) pretty much nothing works. I think there's also something you have to run for DVDs to play properly... but I don't have a DVD player, so I can't really comment. > Distribution: debian > Instant Messaging: none -> sTeam > Movie players: mplayer (works always) (never seen xine working) > (the office is the place where you have all the tools you need to do > your office work. all i need is a terminal running ssh (putty if > necessary) and a network-connection, add a browser and my office is > complete) > Another app/server I've started using is TeamSpeak. It is really good voice chat server for use when playing Battlefield 1942 (or other online games). You could also use it for conference calls I guess. It's not OpenSource unfortunately. But it is available as Windows & Linux client/server. It's written in Kylix/Delphi so it has a QT GUI and the server is admin'd via HTTP. It uses a number of different codecs. Including the OpenSource Speex codec which seems to be the best at low bandwidths. > <http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/> http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/ -- > interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen > training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration Pike is an interesting language. Didn't it grow out of LPC (used to create MudOS + Nightmare MUDlib)? Regards -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. <mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> oliver(a)deeper.co.nz § <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com § +64 (21) 41-2238

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crossover office
by Wayne D. Garton 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

Hello all, Thanks for your help with crossover office trial yesterday. It worked. Instead of CTrl Alt F3 I right clicked the desktop (as suggested) and chose terminal. I assume that Ctrl Alt F3 takes you right out of X windows and I also assume that SU means Super user and is the same as Logon / Root Excel now runs sweetly in gnome. I have to say Excel opens my pricebooks from suppliers far, far better than open office (which crashes or runs very slow on about half of the pricebooks) They are just too big or have too many bookmarks. Since the suppliers collectively send me a dozen or so spreadsheets a week, this is quite a big issue. Quatro Pro in Windows environment does a much better job of opening suppliers' pricebooks than open office or any of the Linux ones I have loaded on gnome or KDE. -- Cheers, Wayne D. Garton

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RE: [wlug] Some things I use.
by Lindsay Druett 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

I'm on my way :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: mglb1-forwarding > Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 14:10 > To: wlug > Subject: RE: [wlug] Some things I use. > > > /nick Jamie or Daniel > > We have the woody iso on the cd burning machine in G1.02 :) > > Come on up. > > > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Lindsay Druett wrote: > > > Hey Jamie or Daniel > > > > Do you have the Debian CD handy ? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lindsay Druett > > Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 14:00 > > To: wlug > > Subject: RE: [wlug] Some things I use. > > > > > > Things I use... > > > > WinXP > > Outlook > > Media Player (Playing Gatecrasher) > > Notepad > > Cisco TFTP > > 5x Putty > > 2x Windows Explorer Folders > > and now 1x Error Report... "Would you like to send this > error report > > to Microsoft ?" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] > > Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 12:20 > > To: wlug > > Subject: Re: [wlug] Some things I use. > > > > > > The problem I have with mplayer at the moment is with some windows > > media playing the sound lagged by about 2 seconds. I can watch the > > videos but the sound is out of sync. Ah well, at least it kinda > > works. :) > > > > On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 10:00, edward(a)murrell.co.nz wrote: > > > > Funny, I use debian as well, but I've always had issues getting > > mplayer to > > > > behave intelligently. It works, but I end up with this weird thing > > where > > > > it will refuse to fullscreen. I've managed to get to work a > few times, > > but > > > > it's not as simple as say, just apt-get install xine-ui totem > > w32codecs, > > > > which seem to have intelligent defaults for controls, and > handle any > > file > > > > I throw at it (short of real player crap). > > > > Although to be fair, if you don't grab the w32codecs deb > package (it's > > > > somewhere on apt-get.org) pretty much nothing works. I > think there's > > also > > > > something you have to run for DVDs to play properly... but I don't > > have a > > > > DVD player, so I can't really comment. > > > > > > > Distribution: debian > > > > > Instant Messaging: none -> sTeam > > > > > Movie players: mplayer (works always) (never seen > xine working) > > > > > (the office is the place where you have all the tools you > need to do > > > > > your office work. all i need is a terminal running ssh (putty if > > > > > necessary) and a network-connection, add a browser and my > office is > > > > > complete) > > > > > > > > > > > Another app/server I've started using is TeamSpeak. It is > really good > > voice chat server for use when playing Battlefield 1942 (or other > > online games). You could also use it for conference calls > I guess. > > It's not OpenSource unfortunately. But it is available as > Windows & > > Linux client/server. It's written in Kylix/Delphi so it > has a QT GUI > > and the server is admin'd via HTTP. It uses a number of different > > codecs. Including the OpenSource Speex codec which seems to be the > > best at low bandwidths. > > > > > > > > > <http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/> > > > http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/ -- > > > > > interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen > > > > > training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system > administration > > > > > > Pike is an interesting language. Didn't it grow out of LPC > (used to > > create MudOS + Nightmare MUDlib)? > > > > Regards > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. > > <mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> oliver(a)deeper.co.nz § > > <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com § +64 > (21) 41-2238 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Matt Brown > matt(a)mattb.net.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlu> g > >

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RE: [wlug] Some things I use.
by Lindsay Druett 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

Things I use... WinXP Outlook Media Player (Playing Gatecrasher) Notepad Cisco TFTP 5x Putty 2x Windows Explorer Folders and now 1x Error Report... "Would you like to send this error report to Microsoft ?" -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 12:20 To: wlug Subject: Re: [wlug] Some things I use. The problem I have with mplayer at the moment is with some windows media playing the sound lagged by about 2 seconds. I can watch the videos but the sound is out of sync. Ah well, at least it kinda works. :) On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 10:00, edward(a)murrell.co.nz wrote: Funny, I use debian as well, but I've always had issues getting mplayer to behave intelligently. It works, but I end up with this weird thing where it will refuse to fullscreen. I've managed to get to work a few times, but it's not as simple as say, just apt-get install xine-ui totem w32codecs, which seem to have intelligent defaults for controls, and handle any file I throw at it (short of real player crap). Although to be fair, if you don't grab the w32codecs deb package (it's somewhere on apt-get.org) pretty much nothing works. I think there's also something you have to run for DVDs to play properly... but I don't have a DVD player, so I can't really comment. > Distribution: debian > Instant Messaging: none -> sTeam > Movie players: mplayer (works always) (never seen xine working) > (the office is the place where you have all the tools you need to do > your office work. all i need is a terminal running ssh (putty if > necessary) and a network-connection, add a browser and my office is > complete) > Another app/server I've started using is TeamSpeak. It is really good voice chat server for use when playing Battlefield 1942 (or other online games). You could also use it for conference calls I guess. It's not OpenSource unfortunately. But it is available as Windows & Linux client/server. It's written in Kylix/Delphi so it has a QT GUI and the server is admin'd via HTTP. It uses a number of different codecs. Including the OpenSource Speex codec which seems to be the best at low bandwidths. > <http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/> http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/ -- > interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen > training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration Pike is an interesting language. Didn't it grow out of LPC (used to create MudOS + Nightmare MUDlib)? Regards -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. <mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> oliver(a)deeper.co.nz § <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com § +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] crossover office
by Matt Brown 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

Hi Wayne, As the previous two responses have hit on you need to have X windows running. However as far as I know you do not necessarily have to be root to install crossover office I have purchased the full version and it installed and ran from my user account without any problems whatsoever. So if you are just setting it up for personal use on your own workstation then don't bother with becoming root. The reason that I am suggesting that you do not become root is that when you use su (or similar) to become root much of your environment (particularly the DISPLAY variable which tells programs where to find Xwindows) is lost and could be what is causing your error below. On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Wayne D. Garton wrote: > Hello , > Wayne here .. absolute beginner! > Somebody on this list suggested I use Crossover office to run Excel. > However I need help. I have a 30 day trial of Crossover. > > I have installed the file install-crossover-office-demo-2[1].0.1.sh > in a folder downloads off home > I typed sh install-crossover-office-demo-2[1].0.1.sh > after pressing Ctrl Alt F3 and logging on as root. > > The install for this product loads and then comes back to command > prompt and says ... > The diplay variable is not set. You should either login as root or use > the command "su" with no flags, to make sure setup has an X display to > use. > What now? > -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz

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Re: [wlug] How many would be interested in a newbie class.
by Gene Smith 04 Aug '03

04 Aug '03

I may have Two others to come along, please let me know the details so I can schedule them in. thanks, Gene. >From: "Yi-Chun Chu" <chiamin(a)ihug.co.nz> >Reply-To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >To: "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Subject: Re: [wlug] How many would be interested in a newbie class. >Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:04:38 +1200 > >I am interseted to learn what is under the hood of linux installation. In >particular, partitioning a hardisk. And dual boot system. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gavin Denby" <redhat(a)ihug.co.nz> >To: <rod-a(a)hnpl.net>; "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 7:06 PM >Subject: Re: [wlug] How many would be interested in a newbie class. > > > > Thanks to all who have offered to help, Not bad for a group "turning > > their backs on newbies" but I am in the incredible position where we > > have about 5 willing to help and about 2 wanting help. I'm all for low > > student/teacher ratios but 3 teachers per student seem a little > > excessive. > > > > Well watch and see, but at present this looks like a small group, and > > easy to run. > > > > What we might do however is have a night/whatever where several > > different distos are presented and the user explaining why he/she/it > > likes that particular distro. I'm sure you would be a good rep for > > mandrake. > > > > Thanks for all the hands up we have had, but really I need to know how > > many would like to learn from scratch about linux. > > > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list >wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Download MSN Messenger @ http://messenger.xtramsn.co.nz - add your friends!

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Re: [wlug] How many would be interested in a newbie class.
by Roderick Aldridge 04 Aug '03

04 Aug '03

On 3 Aug 2003 at 19:05, sable drum wrote: <snip> and i would dearly love to do this in raglan. have huge lounge in my house which can cope wth a number of machines and people -- scene is fine out here. we could make a solid morning of it with great coffee etc. and i can rustle together a few more newbies, easy....raglan is an easy commute. c'mon fellas, you can even head out to the sea afterwards.... does that help any?? <snip> I am happy to come to wherever the people are who want to learn, but we would have to make sure the Hamilton ones don't miss out. Roderick

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Re: [wlug] Dick Smith's Benq Internal CD-RW. Okay? Okay for Linux?
by Edward Murrell 04 Aug '03

04 Aug '03

Well, I have a BenQ/Acer (same thing) CDRW drive in my machine. Works fine. As far as Linux can tell it's just another generic IDE/ATAPI CD drive. I can't tell you how reliable they are though, since mine is somewhat old and doesn't get much of a work out (it's only a 24x speed). Edward On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 15:57, Glyn Webster wrote: > I hear Dick Smith is selling a " Benq Internal CD-RW" cdrom drive for $90. > > Does anyone know any reason I'd be sorry if I bought one of these for my Linux > box?

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Re: [wlug] Dick Smith's Benq Internal CD-RW. Okay? Okay for Linux?
by Matthias Dallmeier 04 Aug '03

04 Aug '03

Glyn Webster wrote: > I hear Dick Smith is selling a " Benq Internal CD-RW" cdrom drive for $90. > > Does anyone know any reason I'd be sorry if I bought one of these for my Linux > box? No, but you should be able to find a LiteOn for only $10 or $15 more, which would be my recommendation. -- Matthias

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Re: [wlug] Learning the CLI ... using the wiki as well
by S Swami 04 Aug '03

04 Aug '03

On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 03:47:54PM +1200, S Swami wrote: > ... > I think that the offer that we have for live CLI tutorials using Rute > is great. But we need also to provide ongoing help. Is it possible > to make further use of our excellent infrastructure: the wiki? Can > we have portions of the rute with comments from us and perhaps with > one or more people proof-reading this part of the wiki? > > Please note that I'm not suggesting that we should not have live > demonstrations. > Woops, this was in response to a post on the committee list* and not to Gavin's stuff which definitely needs a live demonstration. Sorry. Sid. * which I can't send to anyway (and that's a good thing :-)

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Re: [wlug] Compare 2 directories with each other.
by Michael Cree 01 Aug '03

01 Aug '03

> > On 1 Aug 2003, Oliver Jones wrote: > > > > > Howdy. Anyone know of a command that lets you compare the contents of > > > two different dirs? [Various suggestions using diff/ls/tree deleted]. I used to use a shell script that would use diff to compare two directories and all their subdirectories. I mainly used it to verify that a backup CD of crucial data had been written correctly. I have since written it as a perl script which is a bit nicer. Note that I have never got around to tidying up this script to use proper arguments, etc. It currently is set to comparing the current directory to the CD. Edit the line "@totals = &dodir(".","/media/cdrom");" if you want to change the directories it uses. Cut out the script from below and save it as whatever you want to call it and remember to set the execute bit on it. #!/usr/bin/perl # sub dodir { local ($dir) = $_[0]; local ($refdir) = $_[1]; local (@totals) = (0,0,0,0); opendir(F,$dir) || die "ERROR: cannot opendir $dir"; foreach $name (sort readdir(F)) { if ($name ne "." && $name ne "..") { $fullname = $dir . "/" . $name; $refname = $refdir . "/" . $name; if (-d $fullname) { printf "%-50s [d] ", $fullname; if (! -d $refname) { print "ERROR - not on CD\n"; $totals[0]++; }else{ print "(entering)\n"; @subtot = dodir($fullname, $refname); $totals[0] = $totals[0] + $subtot[0]; $totals[1] = $totals[1] + $subtot[1]; $totals[2] = $totals[2] + $subtot[2]; $totals[3] = $totals[3] + $subtot[3]; } }elsif (-f $fullname) { printf "%-50s ... ",$fullname; if (! -f $refname) { print "ERROR - not on CD\n"; $totals[1]++; }else{ $retval = system("cmp -s '$refname' '$fullname'"); if ($retval != 0) { print "ERROR - files differ.\n"; $totals[2]++; }else{ print "OK.\n"; } } }else{ printf "%-50s [can't handle]\n",$fullname ; $totals[3]++; } } } closedir(F); @totals; } $ok = 1; @totals = &dodir(".","/media/cdrom"); print "\n"; if ($totals[3] > 0) { if ($totals[3] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one [reference] file that I couldn't read.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[3] [reference] files that I couldn't read.\n"; } } if ($totals[0] > 0) { $ok = 0; if ($totals[0] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one missing directory.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[0] missing directories.\n"; } } if ($totals[1] > 0) { $ok = 0; if ($totals[1] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one missing file.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[1] missing files.\n"; } } if ($totals[2] > 0) { $ok = 0; if ($totals[2] == 1) { print "WARNING: There was one bad file.\n"; }else{ print "WARNING: There were $totals[2] bad files.\n"; } } if ($ok) { print "All OK.\n"; } Cheers Michael

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Re: [wlug] The LUG is a beast of many backs
by Gavin Denby 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

Yes but if after a few nights of playing your adrenaline level is not raised, then you just are not geek material. On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 04:54 PM, Alastair Porter wrote: > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:39, Gavin Denby wrote: >> SO rather than comparing, Get a CD or set up linux on a drive, and >> spend a few evenings playing with stuff and finding out how to do >> something under Linux, But be warned its very addictive. > A few? > I spent probally 3 nights a week for the best part of a year and a bit > playing with linux just experimenting. > I didn't expect to know everything all at once, and by just learning > bit > by bit, i have built up quite a nice knowlede (AFAIC)

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RE: [wlug] Memory for weird things.
by Lindsay Druett 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Well, up until now, I had been using Kingston RAM in Cisco devices, however, if the equipment is under warranty and/or under contract with Cisco directly, then there is a fundamental issue with using Kingston RAM which is not the case with using the RAM from these guys. These guys seem to be cheaper than purchasing Kingston RAM for Cisco devices from TP. That's also taking in account exchange rates, delivery, etc. Also with my experience with delivery, well, let's put it this way. If Federal Express opened business in New Zealand, then all the other couriers (CourierPost, NZ Couriers, etc, etc) would be out of business within no time. -----Original Message----- From: David Nicholls Sent: Thu 24/07/2003 9:16 a.m. To: wlug Cc: Subject: RE: [wlug] Memory for weird things. jeepers you guys, why not just order kingston ram? you can order equivalents for every system from dell to hp to whatever, and its cheaper. thats what the uni does. we just go to the kingston site and match system codes to get the right ram (i think its the us site so the price roughly doubles of course), then we order from NZ suppliers. theres bound to be someone around who is cheaper than our "oficial" supplier (tech pacific) that gets in kingston ram. cheers... david -----Original Message----- Oliver Jones wrote: > Howdy. Thought I'd let people know I've found and awesome supplier of > weird memory. I wanted to upgrade our HP 1300 from it's puny 16MB of > ram to 80MB. Basically so large OpenOffice docs print without barfing > half way through. Techpac are the suppliers of HP gear in NZ. Their > prices for ram upgrades on printers are stupidly high. Well you can get > 64MB upgrade for a 1300 from www.MemoryX.net <http://www.MemoryX.net> for 30 USD + ~ 30 USD for > FedEx express. It costs 10 times as much to buy the same ram from > Techpac. The goods arrived within a week of ordering in perfect condition. My printer could definitely use another 64MB of memory at that price. Does anyone who has a credit card want to put an order together and share the cost of shipping? -- Matthias _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug> -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz <mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> § www.deeperdesign.com <http://www.deeperdesign.com> § +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] Configuring a firewall
by Craig Box 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

> I'm trying to set up a firewall to hopefully prevent being hacked again. > Since the machine is a dialup (until DSL comes to Hikutaia) I figure > that it's got to be pretty straightforward. > > The machine is also a workstation and file/print/mail/dnscache etc > server for my home office network of itself plus 2 or 3 other machines. > > The whole issue of what firewall software to use seems a bit confusing, > but I think I've figured out that ipmasq does what I need. I've > installed it and read the debian ipmasq users manual but I'm not sure > what to do next. According to the manual I configure it using > dpkg-reconfigure. I've done that and selected the ppp option. If I were you, I'd start by reading http://www.wlug.org.nz/HowFirewallingWorks, I'd skim-read about how Perry's firewalling script works (at http://www.wlug.org.nz/PerrysFirewallingScript) and then I would install the .deb, which I'd find at http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/debian/linuxserver-firewall_0.3_all.deb. (hint: wget the file, then dpkg -i) Then, you need to go into /etc/linuxserver-firewall/interfaces.d, check the mapping between interfaces and classes (which you learnt about in your skim-read), edit the files as required and type '/etc/init.d/linuxserver-firewall restart' And then you're done, and you did some good learning along the way too. ;) Future versions of the Debian package will do automatic guessing of interfaces and network addresses. Someday. This message bought to you by "When in doubt, ask the Wiki" Craig

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Re: [wlug] Configuring a firewall
by Gavin Denby 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Glen I sent you a long text off list, Hope it helps Covers IP routing and stuff, You probably only need the last bit, but ut was easier to send it all to you. Good luck I cheated, got a 486, installed IPCOP firewall, web configured and very nice, My router also has a firewall, so I'm now behind 2 of them On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 07:43 PM, Glenn Ramsey wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to set up a firewall to hopefully prevent being hacked > again. Since the machine is a dialup (until DSL comes to Hikutaia) I > figure that it's got to be pretty straightforward. > > The machine is also a workstation and file/print/mail/dnscache etc > server for my home office network of itself plus 2 or 3 other > machines. > > The whole issue of what firewall software to use seems a bit > confusing, but I think I've figured out that ipmasq does what I need. > I've installed it and read the debian ipmasq users manual but I'm not > sure what to do next. According to the manual I configure it using > dpkg-reconfigure. I've done that and selected the ppp option. > > What next? The manual doesn't say any more, does that mean that it's > automatically configured? Do I need to learn the details of iptables > so I can confirm that it is correct or is there an easier way? > Currently I don't really have the time to do that so if the answer to > the last question is yes then can you guys suggest someone who I could > pay to do it? > > Thanks > g > > -- > Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 > http://www.componic.co.nz > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Memory for weird things.
by Oliver Jones 21 Jul '03

21 Jul '03

Howdy. Thought I'd let people know I've found and awesome supplier of weird memory. I wanted to upgrade our HP 1300 from it's puny 16MB of ram to 80MB. Basically so large OpenOffice docs print without barfing half way through. Techpac are the suppliers of HP gear in NZ. Their prices for ram upgrades on printers are stupidly high. Well you can get 64MB upgrade for a 1300 from www.MemoryX.net for 30 USD + ~ 30 USD for FedEx express. It costs 10 times as much to buy the same ram from Techpac. The goods arrived within a week of ordering in perfect condition. Regards -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz § www.deeperdesign.com § +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] telephone and linux
by Gavin Denby 20 Jul '03

20 Jul '03

For some reason when I type vcopsystems.com, my mozilla browser corrects my obvious mistake to www.vcopsystems.com and it fails, even when it folow the link it works in that i see the page, but the address bar shows the www, which is wrong, thus my cut and paste was wrong link, in short annoying, Galeon does the same, so its probably an error in the core, must be time to upgrade it. All the rest of my mozilla installs work fine. its just that machine, its also the first time I've noticed it. On 19 Jul 2003 23:03:19 +1200 zcat <zcat(a)themall.co.nz> wrote: > > http://vcopsystem.com > > > > But I can get it if i Type it in too, Weird. > > try vocpsystem.com > > Strangely, that's the first hit when you search for vcop too. go > figure.. > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: Is linux better or not? Was: Re: [wlug] victory for linux in munich!
by Daniel Lawson 16 Jul '03

16 Jul '03

> > >If you define a metric, it's easy to say "Foo is better than bar". > > Yes. But you have to be careful that you are actually comparing on the metric, and not on your interpretation of the metric, or on the metric but influenced by some hidden factor (ie Mindcraft or whoever they were benchmarks) >Back to the point of the metric, the page was designed to say "This program, >if you use X on Windows, will do it on Linux." And the short answer is that >it won't. You will find that it does some things better (might be more >stable, might have more functions), but it does some things worse. Or >everything differently. > > We have no idea what they want to use it for on Windows though. For you to make the statement on the wiki, along the lines of 'All this linux sofware is at a basic equivalence level with its Windows partner' is completely missing the point, that you actually have no idea what people want to do with it or not. Moreover, the statement as it stands is highly likely to put anyone off using the alternatives - they are only a basic equivalent after all.[1] One example here. Gnumeric is a very polished replacement for Excel. It supports all the Excel spreadsheet functions, and a whole lot more. It doesn't have VBA, but I'm to understand that it supports perl/python/tcl scripting instead. It has a graph builder, advanced mathematical support, solver support, etc etc, and can even read / write Excel95/97/2k etc files. This is completely irrelevant if the user wants to build a basic spreadsheet with a few SUM and AVERAGE functions thrown in, and some formatting. Its completely irrelevant if the user is actually, due to its nice column layout structure, using it to generate a template for school reports. I have no idea what the user wants to use it for, and therefore I can only suggest that it might do the job. Likewise: VS is perhaps the de facto IDE under windows. Thats nice. It's entirely possible you'd be able to code just as well, if not better, under vim, or emacs, or joe, with another xterm open and use of make / gdb and cvs. It is perhaps worth noting that joe isn't as feature-full as VS (in fact, its just a text editor), but that is rather different from implying that there is no way to do the things you do in VS, under linux. >If your concern is "Linux Acts Just Like Windows Does" then Windows scores >100% and Linux scores in the lower half of the spectrum. That was the point >I was trying to make. Linux's goal isn't to OSS Windows (interestingly, > > If you meant this, you said it very badly. As what you had said sounded more like "Nothing under Linux does as good a job as the Windows version", which is a very broad reaching statement, and I might add, highly subjective based on your view of what people actually want to do with a program under Windows or Linux. It *is* fair to say that there are differences in the program, and that while Openoffice.Org Writer or Abiword might, at first blush, be an adequate replacement for MS Word, but lack some features that *some* people *might* want, but that wasn't what you were saying. While we're on the discussion of that wiki page, it was asking for what people use instead of a program under Windows. I dont use Windows. So instead of using MS Word, I use Abiword. It doesn't matter at all if its feature-equivalent to the MS Word. It's WHAT I USE UNDER LINUX. Likewise, I use gvim/gcc/make/cvs/gdb under Linux for development. It's *my* IDE. Highly subjective, of course, but the page was asking for individual responses. >there is a project that aims to do this, and they almost have NT4's cmd.exe >down pat). It will keep evolving whichever way it does. Linux doesn't have >the commercial app support (and it may never, and it may never matter). You >can't do everything you can do in Windows on it. But the price of freedom > > I dont see that 'you can't do everything you can do in Windows on it' is true. I *can* do everything that *I* do in Windows under linux. You can propose that 'Joe Windows User' would say otherwise if you like, but until we actually have a good, objective, understanding of what 'Joe Windows User' actually does with his computer, then its all speculation, and as I pointed out before, highly subjective and based on our own view. As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing stopping people using linux as a desktop fulltime. You disagree. Who of us is right? Daniel (From his linux desktop, on which he does all his work, and all the stuff he would want to do in Windows) [1] IF you want to do real comparisons, then do a feature matrix. And do full comparisons, so list things that both equivalents do, or perhaps grade them if you think one is better. Phil's comparison of The Gimp to Photoshop is a good candidate here, as would a comparison bettween MS Office and Abiword, Gnumeric, Oo.O, Kword, etc etc.

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Re: [wlug] Poster
by S Swami 14 Jul '03

14 Jul '03

On Monday July 4:57pm, Daniel Appleton wrote: > hmm... > > HTTP Error > Status : 504 Gateway Time-Out > > Description : Unable to connect to origin Web server. > > Note : If necessary, please contact your Systems > Administrator for resolution. > > > --- Craig Box <craig(a)dubculture.co.nz> wrote: > Hi > everyone, > > > If you want a poster for the upcoming LUG meeting > > that you can print out and > > put up in suitable places, see > > http://ellusions.meta.net.nz/~crb/wlug.pdf > > > > Craig Works from KMail with "save link as". Sid.

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Mandrake 9.1 and Red Hat 9
by Matthias Dallmeier 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Anyone who wants a three-CD set of Mandrake 9.1 or Red Hat 9, please let me know as soon as possible and bring along $5 to the meeting on Monday. If you cannot afford $5 or are not interested in attending the meeting, feel free to bring your own blank CDs (including at least one additional CD for the obligatory coaster) to 35 Galway Ave, Hamilton East and I can put Mandrake 9.1 or Red Hat 9 on them for free. Please write me an e-mail or give me a call on 021 615104 to make an "appointment" before you turn up at my place though. Thank you. -- Matthias

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Re: [wlug] Anyone Got A Copy Of Mandrake Linux
by Andre Henry 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

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Anyone Got A Copy Of Mandrake Linux
by Andre Henry 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Hey Everyone Does anyone have a copy of mandrake linux that i can have or buy. Or if you have jetstream and are able to download it for me it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Alot Andre Henry

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Next Meeting: Mon 23 June. Wireless Networking and Linux
by Daniel Lawson 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Wireless Networking and Linux, Monday 23rd June. This will be a presentation by CRCNet (http://www.crc.net.nz/) <http://www.crc.net.nz>, part of the WAND Research Group (http://www.wand.net.nz/) in the Computer Science Department at the University of Waikato. It will be held in the room A.G.11, at 7:30 pm on the 23rd of June 2003. (directions will be posted on the WLUG wiki at Currently looks to be about wireless networking in general, a quick show-and-tell of some wireless gear, and discussion of the CRCNet wireless network.

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question...
by David Nicholls 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

quick one for you guys. who is hosting our hardware at the mo'? and is anyone sponsoring bandwidth etc? David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant School of Science & Technology/Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

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student web hosting
by Terry Cole 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Can anyone give me any help, please. The so called "free" web hosting seem to have inappropriate advertising, this sometimes appears after you have set up your web pages. I would like some of my students to be able to publish their web pages on the net, but would like a simple way of uploading and editing their own work. I don't want to FTP in and I would like them to be able to do this from the class as well as home. Are there any scripts out there that could help me in setting this up. I could then run them from our own domain. Thanks Terry & Kay Cole Rotorua, New Zealand mailto:terry(a)cole.gen.nz mailto:kay(a)cole.gen.nz http://www.cole.gen.nz http://www.websnz.com

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student web hosting
by Terry Cole 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Sorry folks, I might not of made my self clear. I have web hosting and I can run scripts etc from there. I don't want to use FTP. I am teaching HTML to students. I want them to be able to upload, edit etc like Orion explains. I have tried Easy Host, works well but can not edit on line unless you purchase full version. I want to also set it up on the school server (RH9). Please keep the suggestions coming. Cheers Terry & Kay Cole Rotorua, New Zealand mailto:terry(a)cole.gen.nz mailto:kay(a)cole.gen.nz http://www.cole.gen.nz http://www.websnz.com

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WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away
by Bruce Kingsbury 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Today is 19/06/2003 The WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away June 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22[23]24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Wireless Networking and Linux, Monday 23rd June. This will be a presentation by http CRCnet , part of the http WAND Research Group in the Computer Science Department at the University of Waikato. The meeting will be about wireless networking in general. This will include how to make wireless work under Linux, a quick show-and-tell of some wireless gear, and discussion of the CRCnet wireless network. It will be held at the university in the room A.G.11, at 7:30 pm on the 23rd of June 2003. A.G.11 is about half way down the main corridor on the ground floor of A block. You should walk in Gate 8 off of Hillcrest road. Parking is available on Hillcrest road and as the meeting is after hours you can use the managment staff carpark in Gate 7. A full map of the univeristy is available from http here. NOTE: The room above is a firm booking at the moment, but it has not been confirmed. It may change at any time up to and including Monday the 23rd of June. Watch this space ! http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/hillcrest-map.png http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/unimap.gif _________________________________________________________________

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OT IRC channel formed
by Nick Elder 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Hi, Just thought I would mention that a handfull of linux users have started an IRC chat room for NZ linux users. It is called #nzlinux and it is on the freenode network. Many will be aware of such a channel by the same name on the undernet network. Well the new freenode room is a channel formed and being run by a different group of enthusiasts. We are trying to create a friendly environment where new and seasoned NZ linux users can swap ideas on linux, or have a chat on anything in general, and hopefully have fun at the same time. cheers, Nick Elder <NickelZ> ref: http://www.freenode.org/irc_servers.shtml

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Bruce Kingsbury 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

Today is 16/06/2003 The WLUG meeting is one week away June 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22[23]24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Next WLUG Meeting: 2003-06-23 ? Wireless Networking and Linux, Monday 23rd June Edit the MeetingTopics page to add suggestions that you'd like to see!

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Re: [wlug] Mandrake 9.1
by Craig Mckenna 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Yes I would be after all 3 CDs On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 02:37, Daniel Appleton wrote: > I'd just download it for ya but I dont have a cd > writer, so.. not much point. > > Are you after all 3 cds? > > > --- Gavin Denby <redhat(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > If no > one closer, I have it in Ngaruawahia > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 12:12, Craig Mckenna wrote: > > > > > Anyone have this locally? > > > > > > Looking for a copy for a friend > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list > > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile > - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Craig Mckenna IT Systems Manager Eforms Limited

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Re: [wlug] tonights meeting
by Jamie Curtis 26 May '03

26 May '03

> My final demonstration, which I didn't get working, was with a suite > called PXES. This is an initrd image of a minimal linux installation. > I'm not sure which distribution it started with however. Basically, it > downloads a 20 MB file which it then uncompresses into a ramdisk, and > runs linux out of this. Information on it can be found at its > sourceforge page, http://pxes.sourceforge.net Looking at the SF page, it appears that the compresed file is approximatly 4.7mb. However they don't say what the resident size is in the ram disk, which concerns me about how much memory you would need to run this. If the ramdisk isn't compressed, it could take upto 15 - 20mb of ram, and once you add X onto that you are really going to be pushing a 32mb machine. Do you have any feelings about this or experiances with how much ram you do really need ? I couldn't find anything about this on their pages. Jamie

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Question about routing
by Jodi Thomson 08 May '03

08 May '03

Howdy I'm looking for a way of routing ports 7210, 7220, 7230, 7240, 7250, 7280 and 7285 from one IP to another using masquerading eg incoming traffic on 130.217.xxx.xx1 and outgoing on 130.217.xxx.xx2 UDP and TCP This is to solve a problem we're having with offsite connections to our new library system server Query 1)Are these ports routable in the linux kernel? Query 2) Can some give an example ipchains/iptables rules of how I might go about this? (I'm not overly fluent with creating these) Cheers Jodi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before."

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Re: [wlug] Mail problems with Mandrake 9.1
by Daniel Lawson 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

> If kppp dials in with my modem under root no problems. However if I > dial in under my username the modem dials and seems to connect but > mozilla mail doesn't download my mail. It comes up with a message > resolving host pop.ihug.co.nz and stays there and doesn't download my > mail . I have changed my permisions on /dev/modem and made sure I have > the correct permissions for Mozilla mail and it also seems I have the > same problem web browsing does anybody know what files I would have to > change the permissions on. It may be a stupid question but I don't know. What this sounds like is a problem resolving if you dial in as a user, not as root. To test this, try connecting to the Internet as your username, and open up a terminal and issue the following command: /bin/ping -c 5 202.27.184.3 This will send 5 ICMP ping packets to one of xtra's nameservers (which you should be able to ping from anywhere). If this doesn't work, it either means that your ISP is brokenly firewalling ICMP, or that you haven't in fact connected. If this does work fine, then the problem is probably that your resolver isn't being set correctly when you log in as your user. If you could issue the following commands (while you are dialed in as your user) and give us the output it would be good ls -la /etc/resolv.conf cat /etc/resolv.conf

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Re: [wlug] Hating RPMs.
by Glyn Webster 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

> -- > You will contract a rare disease. SARS! I saw a Chinese man cough yesterday. (I saw it happen on TV, but sometimes that's all it takes!) -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] Yoper
by Craig Mckenna 11 Apr '03

11 Apr '03

On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 14:52, Gavin Grieve wrote: > On 4/11/2003, "Andreas Girardet" <andreas(a)yoper.com> wrote: > > >:) I am sure I am going to be at another LUG meeting, since Auckland ain't > >that far. > > Dammit, I guess this'll mean I should turn up for meetings again then. I'm > going to try, but depending on my schedule (read: shifts), it may only be > every second month or so. > > Gavin thats even more regularly than when you were in hamilton though ;) -- Craig Mckenna IT Systems Manager Eforms Limited

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Red Hat 9
by craig＠dubculture.co.nz 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Red Hat 9 (shrike) was yesterday released to the FTP servers for Red Hat Network subscribers. Being that Linux users are an impatient lot, it was made available quickly through the new open source P2P system BitTorrent (see http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/) I have downloaded it and burnt it to 3 CDs. (No docs/SRPMs yet.) I've copied it for Greig McGill, and I'll give it to Matthias Dallmeier at lunchtime. Anyone who wants a copy _today_ is advised to hop onto #wlug on IRC and organise something with Matthias, who is looking after wider public distribution. Otherwise, posts to the list will probably quickly result in offers of copies. Next: Knoppix 3.2, which I haven't DLed because it changes almost daily! Side note: while some people may suggest that we should be supporting Red Hat Ltd. and not 'copying' the release that they have released earlier for paying customers, think of it this way: by downloading it P2P with BitTorrent, all the people who would have hammered the main site come a week from now will have just saved Red Hat Ltd. a lot of money in bandwidth charges. Side side note: BitTorrent wasn't nearly as fast a method for downloading as everyone made out on Slashdot!

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Re: [wlug] unsubsribe
by Kim Shepherd 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Argh! Then *I* manage to do the same thing......... (yes, this was meant for the list..) > Hi John, > > You actually sent this message to the list instead of to the maintenance > address, but I've manually unsubscribed you. > > Cheers, > > Kim.

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Re: [wlug] Wire wrap
by Gavin Denby 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

short term borrow, ask me (less than a week) have wire too. Phone cable is cheap option long term, Ideal electrical, Hand tool house, Mastertrade(maybe) connector systems(ak) radio spares www.rswww.co.nz farnell, www.farnell.com then select NZ If you need help drop me a line off list, I'll send you a phone number On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 22:51, Glyn Webster wrote: > Does anyone know where I can buy a wire wrap tool and wire in Hamilton?

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Urgent committee meeting
by Daniel Lawson 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

Due to recent events, I am calling an urgent LUG committee meeting. Crawshaw School, 7:00 pm tommorrow (Wednesday). Myself, Jamie Curtis, Craig Box, Craig McKenna, Kim Shepherd, Perry Lorier, Gavin Denby, Greig McGill, Phil Murray, Burce Kingsbury. I would appreciate it if all of the committee turned up. Members are allowed to attend, however this is a meeting called specifically for committee business and while comments may be asked of those attended, non committee members are asked to not feel offended if they don't get to have their say. If transport is required it can be arranged. Contact me by email if you want a lift. Daniel

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FW: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc.
by Lindsay Druett 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Lyall [mailto:simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 08:35 > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Net4u - Stealing bandwidth etc. > > > Looks like the herald is breaking all the interesting stories lately: > > http://tinyurl.com/82j8 > > I can understand Callplus having problems since they have > been struggling with inexperienced staff for a few months > (although 6 months is before the most recent resignations) > but I'm not sure how the Jetstream/Jetstart thing would have > worked. I've yet to see Telecom lose money when people get > Jetstream relms confused. > > -- > Simon Lyall. | Newsmaster | Work: > simon.lyall(a)ihug.co.nz > Senior Network/System Admin | Postmaster | Home: > simon(a)darkmere.gen.nz > Ihug Ltd, Auckland, NZ | Asst Doorman | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz _______________________________________________ Nznog mailing list Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Bruce Kingsbury 16 Mar '03

16 Mar '03

Today is 17/03/2003 The WLUG meeting is one week away March 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23[24]25 26 27 28 29 30 31

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CoffeeLinux HTML editor
by Ron Dean 16 Mar '03

16 Mar '03

I have got the above software running but only under root. I have changed the file permisions to user 9ron) for the software however it still will only run under root. Iam using Mandrake 9. I have not had problems with changing file permisssions for other software. The executable files are in my /home/ron/ directory. Any help would be much appreciated Ron Dean

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desknote
by Stephen Pearce 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Does anyone have advise or recommedations on a lpatop/notebook suitable for running linux? I have been looking at the Elite i-Buddie desknote pc ... a928,a929,a980 .. they come without a battery and use desktop components so are current hungry .. but price/performance seems v. impressive. The local agent seemed to only know about the a901 .. does anyone know a dealer doing the later models .. or could recommend a similar concept from another manufacturer .. or maybe just has some advise on conventional portables ... the choise is rather daunting Thanks Stephen g_and_s_pearce(a)xtra.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] Next week-of-doing-things on the WLUG-Wiki
by Glyn Webster 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

> anyhow, probably the best way of doing categories is to create a > category page by editing it and putting > This is a category for blah, blargh lbargh... > <?plugin BackLinks?> > > then as you find pages that should be in one category or another you add > a link to the page, to link to the category pages without putting the > page into the category you use category: Indeed. It's just with ~6000 pages it's going to take fair number of people to get through them all! Which is why I suggested it ought to be done in a week long push like your Add-a-Page-To-the-Wiki-a-Day one. > perhaps do it as you see pages :) Oh well, better get started then... %-| -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz

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Re: [wlug] Tonight's meeting
by Daniel Appleton 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

Oh dear, I've got 2000 Pro, 2000 Server & Xp Pro installed on here. 2000 is the most stable windows though. Anyone got '98? ;) Daniel http://dapples.net.nz/ --- Gavin Denby <redhat(a)ihug.co.nz> wrote: > Um maybe if I borrowed a machine with windows on it, > But not here > anymore. sorry. > > > On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 19:11, Daniel Appleton wrote: > > How about a demonstration of how many times you > can > > make Windows crash during a meeting? > > > > anyone? > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Exchange IMs with Messenger friends on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile phone.

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Re: [wlug] ADSL failover
by Perry Lorier 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Hi everyone, > > I'm currently investigating how to set up ADSL failover. > > The default gateway on the network is a Linux machine, and its default > gateway is a Nokia M1122 connected to Tempest. In case the Tempest > connection goes down, I would like to set the machine up to fall back to a > secondary route, connected to a Jetstream modem. The Jetsream connection > should only ever be used in the case that the Tempest connection is > unavailable. > > How I've thought this should work: > > - set a route for both modems, giving the Tempest modem a higher metric > (this might not be necessary?) lower metric's are prefered. you want to give the jetstart modem a higher metric. > Would a ping test fired by something like Nagios be enough for this task? > The modems support RIP, but I'm not sure what I'd need to do with the Linux > machine to use it, and if it's overkill? Am I missing anything? rip would be good if they announce if they are up/down, as you could use rip to add/remove the routes. rip works just like ospf, see the zebra docs for more information - -- Bower's Law: Talent goes where the action is. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid iD8DBQE+SuiscAgRpy8z8UQRAkClAKCy9sRzGBQWF+EHQeI8JaSsmJhMdgCfQY12 p6wm4wOssfd9E7aB0c2k2NU= =4juG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Printer drivers with samba
by Daniel Lawson 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

I know this can be done, however I cant for the life of me find the references I had before. Maybe I'm going blind. If anyone has any useful info on setting up printer drivers with samba (ie, so you can double click on a shared printer under windows, and it'll install the drivers for you), please let me know. Or wiki it, then let me know :) Daniel

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WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away
by Bruce Kingsbury 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Today is 23/01/2003 The WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away January 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26[27]28 29 30 31

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Re: [wlug] [Off-Topic] Free Software Consortium in search of Consultants and Agents in your area.
by Glyn Webster 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

> We would like to invite you to be a founding members of the FSC either as a > Consultant and/or an Agent. > > http://www.fsconsortium.com I felt supicious. The only contact information is email addresses on the two FSC domains, and two office addresses in Florida and Cuba. No names. However, they do want you to supply your name, phone number, email address and anything else that comes to mind, and send them $250. I have a feeling they'll keep the money, sell their database of contact details to spammers, and if they're found enough suckers, set some sort of weird pyramid scheme: > From the business generated by the Free Software Consortium, the Agent > company will receive 20% of the value of the contract, and the Consultant > or Consulting company will receive 80%. There is a Latin American Free Software Consortium associated with the UN, but it's not these guys. This appears quite real: UNESCO promotes a free software consortium in LA&C http://lacnet.unicttaskforce.org/en/vernoticias.asp?cod=0000000034 Consorcio de Desarrolladores y Usuarios de Software Libre http://www.unesco.org.uy/informatica/consorcio/ Merry Christmas and bah humbug, Glyn -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz

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Sponsorship
by Craig Box 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

There's a few points that have come up in the Netraverse discussion I'd like to add my 2c to. 1. Sponsorship. It's fair enough to assume that companies will want some 'return' on their sponsorship, from their logo printed on the T-shirts that they paid for through to a simple listing on our web site. If we were to accept Netraverse's offer, post to the list (one time) that they were sponsoring us - hell, this debate has done more to raise awareness of the existance of their company and their product than one post to the list ever would. Note that there is already a page at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugSponsors page, where we currently pay our dues to Computer Upgrades 2000 Ltd for buying our domain name for us. Net4U will be added to that page as soon as we get hold of Sahil and get Hoiho hosted (We've been trying, but he hasn't been available.) If we were to ad a small link, even perhaps a banner, to that page, then we'd be fulfilling our requirement to Netraverse and I don't really think I'd call it selling out. 2. There are people who use Linux for every explainable reason. Some use it because it is beer-free, and couldn't give a toss about the source code being available or that it's protected by the GPL (Free with a capital F). These people are no less worthy of supporting - some might not even know about the source code ideals because the mass media are really good at saying "Linux is free" and not explaining what that means. 3. Programmers have to eat just as much as expensive consultants do. It's considered OK for people to make money supporting Linux, and I think it should be just as welcomed that people make money writing Linux applications. How many Windows programmers do you think have "paid their dues to Microsoft" (for creating such a nice mishmash of cruddy abstractions and calling it an OS? :) While it's very nice to think that every application for Linux will be OSS and Free, that's not necessary. If Adobe ported Photoshop to Linux and charged for it, it would be worth paying for. There is no full OSS equivalent. Perhaps the action of this happening might even charge people to work on something like The GIMP until it _is_ a full OSS equivalent. People without too much knowledge or interest in computers want to be able to make a quick educated decision about what is good and what is not good, or have a trusted advisor make that decision for them. As Daniel was saying, Linux isn't the answer to every question. It might be one day, but even then, it might not be totally OSS. We shouldn't go burning potential bridges over ideoligical disagreements. While at this point there's only a 'free' copy of Win4Lin at stake, which seems like another VMWare, it's a decision that might pop up in future when it comes to sponsorship, and it's good that it's being discussed now. Craig

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Free Software vs Open Source.
by Oliver Jones 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

Someone posted to the list about the reason for the term Open Source. The term Open Source was coined by Eric S. Raymond. He founded the Open Source Initiative. (www.opensource.org) The reason he chose this term was because of his own perceived confusion with the word Free. He figured that if Free Software was to be promoted to the business community it needed a more business friendly name. He figured, rightly, that ,ost business people would associate free with dollars and not liberty. Hence the term Open Source. The Open Source Initiative promotes Open Source Software mostly because of pragmatic ideals. Eg, OSS is cheaper, higher quality, easier to adapt, etc etc. The Free Software Foundation however still uses the term Free (as in Liberty) Software. RMS founded the FSF and remains its most vocal and well known personality. The GNU System (GCC, Bash, binutils, fileutils, GNOME, etc etc) is all copyright the FSF. The FSF is a much more idealistic organisation. RMS often makes the distinction that Free Software and Open Source Software are different and that he does not endorse Open Source. This is true. Something can fall under the Open Source definition but not be 'Free Software'. Generally in the FSF's view only software covered by the GPL is really Free Software. Though there are probably some other licenses that are very similar to the GPL that could be classed as Free Software Licenses too. The Open Source Definition is more relaxed. Stuff with BSD and MIT licenses are Open Source but probably not 'Free Software' as the FSF would define it. Anyway to really educate yourself about the difference between OSS and FS you should read up about the topic on www.opensource.org and www.gnu.org. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] Netraverse
by kyle carter 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28, Oliver Jones wrote: > > I dont see it as whoring.. i see it as evaluating software, closed source > > or open, it is evaluating a software package. > > I actually find the 'we only want to use open source software' ideals of > > RMS grating.. its the outcome, whatever is used to do the job, WHO > > CARES. ie using word or staroffice .. if you only want to print a > > letter.. who cares what software made it.. the important thing is the > > letter gets to the paper. > > "I only want to wear my shorts. Who cares if it is made by well paid > New Zealanders or exploited little Jamu from Indonesia." ;) yep.. i cant tell where my shorts come from, however i also make a point to support trade aid. > I take it that Kyle only uses Linux because it is "free, as in beer". I use it because it does what i want.. it masquerades, firewalls and runs my webserver reliably. the free is just a bonus. > > > Now why would we need to do that? ;) > > > > People do need software that is only available under windows currently... > > even if its only 1 package for windows out of the 10 they use, if that is > > a critical app, they arent going to change > > This is true. I still haven't found a decent Small Business accounting > app, up to the quality of QuickBooks, for Linux. OpenSource or Closed. > Though in this case software line Wine can obliviate the need for a > Windows license. Exactly.. 1 app you need cross-platform ability for currently. -- Kyle Carter

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Re: [wlug] Netraverse
by Daniel Appleton 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

> How about a sponsorship page then? I for one am > certainly not against > the LUG having sponsors. That sounds good. Daniel http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year!

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Re: [wlug] Next meeting
by James Spooner 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

I can if necessary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Swami" <sns(a)paradise.net.nz> To: "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] Next meeting > > Someone should probably make it more clear that THERE WILL BE A > > MEETING AT CRAWSHAW SCHOOL *TOMORROW* AT 7:30PM. > > > > http://www.wlug.org.nz/CrawshawSchool > > > > -- Matthias > > My car is busy ferrying others tonight after I get dropped off at the > school. Is there anyone who is passing through the main city or > thereabouts _after_ the talk? I'd appreciate a lift some of the way > back if possible. > > Thanks. > Sid. >

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Re: [wlug] WineX 2.2.1 just released
by Oliver Jones 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

As an alternative to Wine you could try something like VMWare (or Plex86). I use VMWare a lot to run my accounting package. VMWare works ok on XTerms I believe. I've not tried plex86. Also, you might want to try Crossover Office (www.codeweavers.com) as it runs all of office 2000 pretty well so it might run the app in question. I use CodeWeavers other product (Crossover Plugin) to run Quicktime et al under Linux. Regards On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 22:12, Greig McGill wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:10, Oliver Jones wrote: > > As I have mentioned on this list before, I subscribed to TransGaming's > > WineX software. For those of you who don't know, WineX is a commerical > > fork of the WINE codebase specifically intended for gaming. > > This got me thinking. > > At work, I have a client who would benefit greatly by moving to Linux > desktops, and remote X apps. The only issue (and isn't it always?) is > that they are dependent on one really crappy windows app. > I've tried using std. wine, but with little success (as with most real > windows apps and wine in my experience). I wondered if winex fares much > better for non-games related software? > > Have you tried any random windows apps? > > I'd love to hear the results. -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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I wiki'ed my drive partitioning advice.
by Oliver Jones 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

I wiki'ed my drive partitioning advice. Arn't I nice and helpful.. ;) www.wlug.org.nz/DrivePartitioning Additional edits/advice would probably be good. Later -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] RedHat 8 CD-R's
by Oliver Jones 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

Yeah good idea. Thanks for that. Regards On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 19:23, Aaron Martin wrote: They are actually on the Jetstream games ftp server, so you can change the login on your jetstream modem / router to user(a)jetstreamgames.co.nz and then download them at high speed for free. I just did it and it took 1 hour 15 minutes to download. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver Jones To: Waikato Linux Users Group Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: [wlug] RedHat 8 CD-R's Can someone please write me out a set of RH8 CDR's and mail them to me. I'm willing to re-emburse for time and media. I just can't afford to download the ISO's myself on my JetStream link. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238 -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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RE: [wlug] wlug seal
by David Nicholls 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

or then theres this... just for fun... -----Original Message----- From: Martin Baehr [mailto:mbaehr(a)email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at] Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2002 9:18 a.m. To: David Nicholls Cc: WLUG (E-mail) Subject: Re: [wlug] wlug seal On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:06:09AM +1200, David Nicholls wrote: > simple easy and quick.... specially for a rubber stamp. > comments? nice, the text micht be rotated a bit to have the (incorporated) right at the bottom. greetings, martin. -- interrested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer travelling in europe open-steam.org csl-gmbh.net (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unix bahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/

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Re: [wlug] filesystems for large drives
by Daniel Lawson 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

> > >It was pointed out on some list I can't remember some while ago that >commercial fs's like xfs and jfs have a huge(!) amount of testing >capability behind them in the lab with facilities individual open >source developers simply don't have. That discussion was only covering >one of IBM or SGI, but I'd guess it holds for both. > > You are implying that all open-source projects are run by individuals? Redhat at least might beg to differ... :) >Personally I would trust reiserfs, xfs and jfs but not ext3 but ext3 is >out anyway. If it's not out of the box by the distro it's dead. > > I'm not sure what you are saying here? I read the above as saying that ext3 isn't 'out of the box' - which it is? Just confusing wording I guess. >Various file systems are optimised for various things like small file >support, nfs support, etc. I don't know enough about it, but the >reiserfs site has good concise info at what reiserfs is good at and >what isn't implemented yet. I guess if you really wanted to know you'd >have to put the same files on all three and test with the situation >which is most important to you. > As a reiserfs advocate, you might know: Does NFS work over reiser yet? I had reiser corruption once, when I foolishly NFS mounted my home partition (a reiser volume). And a quick google search should uncover plenty of benchmarks on fs comparison. Of course, they always show their benchmarkers favourite fs as being the best, but thats what you get with benchmarks... :) Daniel

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Re: [wlug] Compiling a kernel for a different machine
by Andrew Thrift 22 Sep '02

22 Sep '02

I do this often on my machines as I have two with Asus P3V4X's that wont compile 2.4 kernels and so have to compile the kernel on another board then FTP it accross. I do: cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.19 make menuconfig make dep && make bzImage && make modules tar -czf ~/kernel.tar.gz * then I ssh into the destined machine, ftp the kernel.tar.gz over to my home directory then. cd /usr/src mkdir linux-2.4.19 tar -xzvf ~/kernel.tar.gz make modules-install && cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19 then edit grub.conf or lilo.conf as usual and point it to the new fandangled kernel. What I do is configure ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Purvis" <matt(a)purvis.co.nz> To: "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [wlug] Compiling a kernel for a different machine > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Colin Palmer wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > > > > I would like to compile it on my desktop machine. > > > Apart from making sure it is correctly configured for the laptop hardware, > > > what do I have to do. > > > For instance, "make modules_install" will obviously not magically wisk the > > > modules over to the laptop. > > > What files need to go where? > > > > Since you mention it's a Debian install, 'man make-kpkg' might be > > helpful. Build the kernel and modules into a package file on your desktop > > box, copy that across to the laptop and install it with dpkg. > > Another method, if you're not using Debian, or want to do it manually for > any reason, is to edit the Makefile and change the directory where > modules_install will put the modules. > > Search for INSTALL_MOD_PATH in your Makefile (or specify it before the > "modules_install:" line if there isn't an INSTALL_MOD_PATH in there). For > example: > > INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/tmp/laptop-kernel > > Then run the command "make -n modules_install" to verify that the modules > will go into the right place (the -n option on make will just print the > commands to be executed). When it's correct, run "make modules_install", > then tar up the modules and put them onto your laptop. > > Matt > > >

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Re: [wlug] filesystems for large drives
by Volker Kuhlmann 22 Sep '02

22 Sep '02

> I'd be interested to know what journalling file systems people are using > on large drives and how reliable they've been. reiserfs, very reliable, fast, very easy. Out of the box with quota support, in 3 weeks with acl support out of the box (likewise for xfs, jfs, and ext3). Can put on root fs with zero trouble (been able to do that for years). Also out of the box are xfs, jfs, and ext3. From reading a very few things about journalling filesystems recently I get the impression that ext3 has too many limitations and isn't as well tested as the others. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.orcon.net.nz/ Please do not CC list postings to me.

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Re: [wlug] linux backup
by Matthias Dallmeier 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

Daniel Lawson wrote: > Interesting, because perry just wrote a script that does the same thing, > more or less. His looks a lot better tho ;) (uses rsync for suitable > things, has better support for adding in new things to backup, etc) So where can I find a copy of Perry's backup script? And is it written in Perl? -- Matthias

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Secure email transmission, GPG ?
by Andrew Thrift 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

O.k. I have a PHP based web-shop that as an order is entered emails me the credit card details in un-encrypted form. What I want to do is use gpg to encrypt these mails with a secret key so that only I can read them. I have very little knowledge of the workings of PGP/GPG but from perusing the man pages and README I have figured I can take the following approach: 1. An order is entered, PHP dumps data to a temp file 2. gpg is called to encrypt this. 3. encrypted file is sent to myself using unix mail command. Is this the only way of doing it, or is their an easier way? Thanks, Andrew Thrift

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RE: [wlug] Secure email transmission, GPG ?
by Andrew Bryan 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

that might do it... but it seems a little redundant since (it sounds like) the credit card numbers are going to travel in unencrypted plain text from the clients machine to your web server... or are your running SSL over HTTP? -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Thrift [mailto:andrew(a)millenniumtechnology.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 09:39 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] Secure email transmission, GPG ? O.k. I have a PHP based web-shop that as an order is entered emails me the credit card details in un-encrypted form. What I want to do is use gpg to encrypt these mails with a secret key so that only I can read them. I have very little knowledge of the workings of PGP/GPG but from perusing the man pages and README I have figured I can take the following approach: 1. An order is entered, PHP dumps data to a temp file 2. gpg is called to encrypt this. 3. encrypted file is sent to myself using unix mail command. Is this the only way of doing it, or is their an easier way? Thanks, Andrew Thrift

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Hello,meeting notice
by vinceh 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

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Hard drive
by Craig Box 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

I have a variety of PC bits floating around in my shed. I've got a dumb terminal or two, a couple of AT cases & PSUs with 486SX's and 30 pin RAM in them, a 120mb HDD in my drawer, and they're all taking up space that I'm going to need to free sometime soon. Free to a good home. Email off list if you want anything (Someone, please... ) There's almost enough guts here for someones first Linux router, although I'm sure you could pick up a Pentium class machine for about the same price. Might also be good for smashing. BTW, have I missed the radio club's sale day? Craig

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Radio Club Surplus Sale
by Lynette Mckenna 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

Is that this weekend?

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Kspread sheets
by Dave Foxcroft 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

Hi, My name is Cindy. I am curious as to the difference between linex kspreadshets and windows excel spreadsheets. In excel you can freeze frames, can you do this in linex? I have tried the help thingie, but cant get direction like I can with excel? Should I give up? Can anyone there help me? Cindy alias Desperate

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Re: [wlug] Memory Error?
by Paul MacDonald 19 Aug '02

19 Aug '02

> duel boot heh, sounds about right. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Heise" <fordfairlanelover(a)yahoo.co.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: [wlug] Memory Error?

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Re: [wlug] cups
by V K 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

> I am running cups as the printer daemon under Suse 8.0. Rpm -q cups > reveals version 1.1.12-69 is installed. Ensure your yast modules for cups are current. There were updates. Did you use yast to configure it or did you do it the long way? http://sdb.suse.de/de/sdb/html/jsmeix_print-cups.html http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/jsmeix_print-cups.html might tell you something. I briefly switched to cups and didn't think it was as well supported, I didn't like it and went back to lprng. lprng does page counting by default, though I'd find it much more useful if it accounted for the ink used as paper costs nothing in comparison... Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.orcon.net.nz/ Please do not CC list postings to me.

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Re: [wlug] SMTP server
by Paul MacDonald 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Thank you to all those who offered suggestions on this subject. I have got permission from the local admin to use their SMTP server when not at home. When at home I can either use the ISP's server or set up my own. So all is now well. Now I just gotta figure out Mutt... looks good though. Paul.

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linux cd's
by SG 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

Hi all Hey long time no see.. great to see all the development going on and the excellent wlug wiki web pages! Easy to navigate ones way around.. I would like to get a recent copy of Red Hat or Mandrake off someone to set up at home and work if poss.. would be cool.. Also.. does anybody know or worked with a distro called RTLinux... for real time programming stuff. - possibilities for where I work :) Cheers Simon

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Re: [wlug] GPG test
by Oliver Jones 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

It does not appear to. But we can't expect too much for version 1.0.x Does evolution not automagically d/l keys on demand? I know I've got mutt set up to (which puts an annoying pause in while it d/l's it when I get a message from someone new) -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] GPG/PGP key signing
by Paul MacDonald 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Hmm, I don't see a button for this in Hotmail. ;-) BTW, does anyone know of free e-mail accounts that are not WWW browser based? Though it would be good to have in addition to POP3 et al. P. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: [wlug] Debian /etc/*
by Paul MacDonald 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Hmm, perhaps I should clarify this. Could still boot original install of Debian. cp /etc/* /mnt/hdb1/etc/ (with recursion option on -r or -R ...I forget) ^^^^win98 install with spare space. Re-install - everything on ext2 partitions. cp -f /mnt/hdb1/etc/* /etc/ problems begin... --- I have been thinking since my initial post. Another re-install will be the least troublesome way to remedy this. I was hoping to fix it the tricky way but that doesn't seem to have served well so far. :-) Oh well, a lesson learned. Fortunately I found a utility (now where did I put that...) to read ext2 partitions from windows so all that apt-get over modem is not wasted. Seeya, Paul. --- >From: Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> >Reply-To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Subject: Re: [wlug] Debian /etc/* >Date: 19 Jul 2002 17:11:04 +1200 > >Question: Why on earth did you have your /etc on a FAT partition in the >first place??? > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: [wlug] GPG/PGP key signing
by Oliver Jones 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Naughty perry: This message is digitally signed but can not be proven to be authentic. gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) gpg: armor header: Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid gpg: Signature made Fri 19 Jul 2002 21:12:52 NZST using DSA key ID 2F33F144 gpg: BAD signature from "Perry Lorier (Local network) <perry(a)coders.tla>" I imported your key as you posted it on the Wiki and it doesn't seem to work. Or you're using a different key to sign you message to the list. On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 21:12, Perry Lorier wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I figured I might as well start using this little GnuPG thing... > I used to use my gpg key a lot, but had problems with OE not being able to read my emails, which sucks, since one of the major reasons I wanted it was to email votes for various projects I'm associated and the person that collated the ballots used OE. Uh. > I've added a link to my public key on my Wiki Page... > http://coders.meta.net.nz/wlug/OliverJones I just included mine on my page :) > My email client (Evolution) even supports GnuPG quite well. I beleive you > can get some sort of plugin for Mozilla. mutt supports it really well too, and supports it according to the RFC, unfortunately, OE doesn't, and doesn't show the email at all :( Recently however mutt has added an option to do it stupidly that OE can (hopefully) read. This is one of my first test emails with it :) > Outlook Express on the other hand doesn't have a clue what's going on... Shouldn't be a problem for this list, right? <runs, grinning and ducking> - -- <doogie> Debian - All the power, without the silly hat. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid iEYEARECAAYFAj032BQACgkQcAgRpy8z8USGNgCbBWssUgozEUk7DktuembqRqrd rZAAoIp21NYAVxUEr5aF9/tx769KLFmO =i67V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Oliver Jones > Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] GPG/PGP key signing
by Craig Box 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

> > If you must use a windows email client, The Bat! supports PGP key's very > > nicely. > > > > Ah, I don't use Windows email clients, or in fact windows at all, the > problem is people using windows who can't read my emails :( Especially when people exploit a bug in Outlook's mime routines to hide their messages for anyone who doesn't want to have to run them through "View Source"! I've disabled the priority column in my message view because of you, too :) Personally, in the most part, I trust that you're really you, and have always considered PGP unnecessary for day to day use. I'd like an e-mail client to hide PGP blocks and perhaps just tell me if a message is signed or unsigned automatically. Craig

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GPG/PGP Key Signing
by Craig Mckenna 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

I'm interested in getting some more signatures on my GPG keys anyone interested in signing/ having me/others sign theirs, bring your passport and GPG/PGP fingerprint with you to WLUG meeting on monday I'm going to attempt to write up some notes on the Wiki[1] about how to sign keys etc [1] http://coders.meta.net.nz/wlug/ -- -- Craig Mckenna IT Systems Manager Eforms Limited

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Re: [wlug] installing Mandrake
by Gian Perrone 12 Jul '02

12 Jul '02

You should be able to, although it might be a good idea to check out a Linux hardware compatability list (url, anyone?). Otherwise it could be that the X server is bombing out, in which case it should be leaving error messages for you. Cheers, Gian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan White" <moele(a)paradise.net.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: [wlug] installing Mandrake > I am trying to install Mandrake 8.0 onto a Toshiba Satellite 4000 cds laptop computer and am having a little trouble. > I have it working but it only seems to be installed as text. Somebody told me yesterday that this > particular laptop may not be compatible with linux. > I have it dual booting with windows 98 on a 233 pentium 2 processor with 64mb ram. > It has a Chips & Technologies 65555 PCI [Display adapter] > Can anyone tell me if I should be able to install Linux on it and how do I make Mandrake install > something that looks similar to windows. > Thank you, Allan White

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Re: [wlug] The Waikato Wlug Wiki
by Paul MacDonald 27 Jun '02

27 Jun '02

weeee, this thing is cool. Does anyone know how to post text verbatim (to a wiki page)? i.e. tell the wiki to ignore formatting commands for the whole document? P. >From: Perry Lorier <perry(a)coders.net> >Reply-To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: [wlug] The Waikato Wlug Wiki _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Part-Time Work (Off-Topic)
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

Hello there, Apologies for the Off-topic Post but, I thought I might place this post to the list before I publically advertise this position in the newspapers. Net4U Limited is looking for a Part Time Staff at the moment. The person would be required to attend to helpdesk enquiries a typical ISP would encounter. A brief job description is as follows: The support staff will be required to run a helpdesk for Net4U from home (more information on how we intend to do this can be obtained by e-mailing me). The person should have knowledge of configuring Dialup/ADSL Connections on various operating systems. Linux knowledge is a bonus, however you won't need "hi-tech" skills. Knowledge on Frame/ATM Networks would also be an advantage. You don't have to be a 100% technical minded person, we can make you one in no time provided you are somebody who is trustworthy and keen to learn and work in a team environment of 3 other staff. Regards, Sahil Gupta Net4U Limited --------------------------------------------------------------------- Net4U Limited - New Zealands Premier Internet Service Provider -- Home of the new $24.95 Global Dialup / JetStart Service -- Visit http://www.net4u.co.nz for further information ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [wlug] administrivia
by James Spooner 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

I'm a fan of Reply-to Munging. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver Jones To: Mr. Daniel Lawson Cc: Waikato Linux Users Group Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [wlug] administrivia I'm not a fan of Reply-to munging. Even though I get caught out and don't press reply to all sometimes. But I don't really care either way. Later

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Library
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

Can we not request the Hamilton City Council / Waikato University to allot us some space that is for the members of the WLUG? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Net4U Limited - New Zealands Premier Internet Service Provider -- Home of the new $24.95 Global Dialup / JetStart Service -- Visit http://www.net4u.co.nz for further information --------------------------------------------------------------------- On 24 Jun 2002 colinp(a)list.waikato.ac.nz wrote: > <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206242315560.23291-100000(a)helium.element.meta.net.nz> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:19:08 +1200 > From: "<s.yeates(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz>" <say1(a)goblin.cs.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-Id: <E17McAx-0007IQ-00(a)orc.cs.waikato.ac.nz> > X-BeenThere: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: s.yeates(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz > List-Id: wlug <wlug.list.waikato.ac.nz> > List-Post: <mailto:wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > List-Subscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug>, > <mailto:wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=subscribe> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug>, > <mailto:wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/wlug> > List-Help: <mailto:wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=help> > > > > 3) WLUG Library. > > > > We've noticed that DunLUG have a very extensive members-only library. This > > is a Good Idea (TM). Its probably not doable out of members subscriptions > > alone, so we need some form of sponsorship. This is perhaps the biggest > > incentive for people to pay their subs, so its a good one to chase up > > I'm on the committee of the ACM student chapter at Waikato and we've had a > great deal of success in getting things for our library (especially software > development kits from people like Apple and microsoft) by just by asking > companies. If you're looking for technical type books, use the something > like Barnes & Noble / Amazons Associates to raise money? > > stuart > > > -- stuart yeates <s.yeates(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> aka `loam' > "To err is human--but it feels divine." -- Mae West > X-no-archive:yes > >

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Re: [wlug] Debian Apt Archive
by Glenn Ramsey 15 May '02

15 May '02

Hi Matt, You can do this with dpkg-scanpackages, and then you put a line like deb file:/path/to/.deb/files icantrememberwhatthisdoes/ in your /etc/apt/sources.list or something like that. Another (much better IMO) solution for the future is to use apt-proxy, it has some nice features for automatically keeping your archive dir clean. g Matt Brown wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have a package archive that apt has built on my debian box over a few > months of use etc, I am now installing a new machine and want it to use > those packages as a repository so I don't have to download all ~400MB > again over my 56k modem. > > I heard rumours about a tool that put these packages into a format the > apt/deselect would recognise and access from another computer - is this > true? Can anyone tell me how I might do this? > > Thanks > > Matt -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.com> 025 263 1932 http://www.componic.co.nz 07 868 3881

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Re: [wlug] Download copies of Red Hat Linux 7.3 on CD-ROMs (fwd)
by Gible Fog 08 May '02

08 May '02

At 11:30 8/05/02 +1200, you wrote: >Any suggestions on what can be done about stupid spammers from Wellington >giving Linux a bad name? www.spamcop.net :) ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Download copies of Red Hat Linux 7.3 on CD-ROMs (fwd)
by Matthias Dallmeier 07 May '02

07 May '02

Any suggestions on what can be done about stupid spammers from Wellington giving Linux a bad name? -- Matthias

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Re: [wlug] WLUG meeting is tonight
by Daniel Lawson 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

> Today is 22/04/2002 > The WLUG meeting is tonight Where is it and who is talking? Daniel ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Meeting suggestion
by Daniel Lawson 13 Apr '02

13 Apr '02

I think perry should give a talk on regex's. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] ENQ?
by Gavin Denby 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

Yeah, we be about, but doing cool things like getting linux running nice on my ibm thinkpad 560X laptop. All i need to solve now is the soundcad and I hoe and hosed. Just used it to finish my monthly accounts, so I feeling doubaly happy right now. On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 18:45, GREGORY PAUL,HARRIS wrote: > Anyone still alive out there? > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] ENQ?
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

Everyone is me thinkz. On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, GREGORY PAUL,HARRIS wrote: > Anyone still alive out there? > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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text book
by Dave Smylie 04 Mar '02

04 Mar '02

Hi Guys knowing that a few of you have done/are doing a comp sci degree at uni, does anyone have a copy of this books that they would be willing to sell/lend/hire/give me? Stuart Russell, Peter Norvig, Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach, Prentice Hall, 1995 Cheers Dave ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: Linmodems
by David Anderson 16 Feb '02

16 Feb '02

I had real problems setting up a LinModem in my laptop under linux, but end the end got it to work... i wrote every thing down that i had to do to get my modem to work and put it here.. http://jove.prohosting.com/~techinfo/ltmodem/ It may not be exactly the correct setup for you, but it might give you some ideas of what to do... but find the the latest drivers before you start... Dave ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] x2x Configuration
by Rudi Prinsloo 08 Feb '02

08 Feb '02

Hi, Well the server I'm talking about is in South Africa. Needless to say that bandwith is as expensive (or more) as gold down there. The mail server belongs to an ISP I used to work for. It serves more than 40 000 customers on a 5mb pipe(local)! The international pipe is even smaller! Get the picture? ;) ciao RP >From: Martin Baehr <mbaehr(a)email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at> >Reply-To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >To: Rudi Prinsloo <rudiprinsloo(a)hotmail.com> >CC: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: Re: [wlug] x2x Configuration >Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:41:29 +0100 > >On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 02:17:11PM +1300, Rudi Prinsloo wrote: > > Sorry about that, but I dont have another mail account yet except one >whose > > mail server is 12000km away and therefore too slow. > >huh? >i never stopped using my mailaccaunt in austria, >be it from the US, new zealand, japan, korea... >besides, hotmail is in the US which is not that close either... > >greetings, martin. >-- >i am looking for a job anywhere in the world, doing pike programming, >caudium/pike/roxen training, roxen/caudium and/or unix system >administration. >-- >pike programmer Traveling in Korea >(www|db).hb2.tuwien.ac.at >unix (iaeste|bahai).or.at >(www.archlab|iaeste).tuwien.ac.at >systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org mud.at >is.(schon.org|root.at) >Martin B"ahr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/ >------------ >WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group >WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz >To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. Kind Regards Rudi Prinsloo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] delay clearing of a pop account.
by Martin Baehr 05 Feb '02

05 Feb '02

On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 08:05:16PM +1300, Gavin Denby wrote: > Care to point me to a suitable IMAP howto, I can get mail with > fetchmail, but then i will have to set up the rest, and all the rules > for what mail goes where and to whom. My last attempt to get IMAP rnning > was a complete disaster. using fetchmail would defeat the point of using an imap-server. if i read you correctly, your pop accounts are from your provider. thus in order to replace pop, your provider would have to give you imap access instead, which then you would access with an imap client. however i assume you want all the mail copied to your local machine, and work on it offline. for this imap does not help. and you certainly do not need an imap-server on your local machine. greetings, martin. -- i am looking for a job anywhere in the world, doing pike programming, caudium/pike/roxen training, roxen/caudium and/or unix system administration. -- pike programmer Traveling in Korea (www|db).hb2.tuwien.ac.at unix (iaeste|bahai).or.at (www.archlab|iaeste).tuwien.ac.at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org mud.at is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin B"ahr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/ ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Dynamic DNS Service
by Aaron Martin 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

As some of you know, I am planning to start a Dynamic DNS service of my own, which will allow people to host real world (i.e. .co.nz) domains on their dynamic ip connections. This is not really aimed at dial-up users, but more at *cough* broadband 'always on' connections (i.e. JetStart). Most of the scripts are complete, and my tests so far have gone well. However, I would like to start a trial with a few people soon. So if you are interested, please fill in the form at the following link, and I will select a few people in the next week to begin the trial. http://www.comtek.co.nz/dyndns/ Cheers, Aaron Martin.

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Re: [wlug] Software/Email as a Good.
by John R. McPherson 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:48:37PM +1300, Gavin Denby wrote: > > I know this sounds silly, but I got hit with this some years ago when I > sold/Made a headset for a cellphone for a cyclist. I gave Clear warnings > on the dangers of using it while riding, Needless to say he ignored > them, had a crash, We got the blame for him using it while riding as we > did not warn him that his hearing could be impared if he wore it while > not actually talking on the phone, but wearing it just in case he got a > phone call. > > It was the last one we ever made. Heh, completely off-topic, but reminds me of something (possibly an urban legend) that to poke some fun at the warnings required on labels, Husqvarna put out a chainsaw with a warning label "warning - chain is sharp. Do not stop with hands or genitals". Or the lady in the states who tried to sue a pharmaceutical because after eating spermicide and then having intercourse, she got pregnant. How obvious do things have to be? The Consumer Guarantee Act uses the word "reasonable" a lot, leaving it up to the judge or jury to decide what is reasonable. I think juries (and judges) could have a lot of difficulty if some obscure technical problem occurred - would you expect to explain how BGP routing works? On the other hand, Telecom advertises Jetstart as "up to 5 times faster than a dial-up modem", but Jetstart (with xtra at least) appears to be massively over-subscribed, although I haven't noticed that much of a slow-down on the Ham. East exchange. But you should see the bitching in xtra.adsl about peak-time slowdowns. John McPherson ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Linux CD's
by listwlug＠comtek.co.nz 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

Ok, I have a 128k and a 256k connection at my disposal, and a cd-writer. If anyone wants linux cd's (or any other LEGAL cd's) downloaded and burned off, I think a fair price would be $5/cd? Plus postage if required outside Hamilton? Let me know your thoughts / orders! Aaron Martin Comtek Computing Solutions Ltd. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Cron tasks
by Gavin Denby 28 Dec '01

28 Dec '01

ok, suppose to clean the log I simply add with crontab -e the line 00 02 * * * mv /var/log/mylogname /var/log/mylogbakup will this do the job of giving me a clean mylogname (the program creates it if its missing just fine) as when I type this at console I am asked if I wish to overwrite the file, will i need to add a "do it no matter what" type of parameter to the mv or will it work without it? > > > In short, the easiest thing for you to do, if you want your script run > daily, is to drop it in /etc/cron.daily. if it needs custom runtimes, put > them in /etc/cron.d/ in a crontab file. > > > help? YES !!!!! :-) ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Cron tasks
by Gavin Denby 28 Dec '01

28 Dec '01

Only posted there, as the mailer gave me an error when I sent this, and I wasn't sure it went out to the list, I still intend to figure this cron thing out, as well as logrotate......... And another old 486 comes back to life :-) at least I know now that the posting worked, I guess i'll see if i still get the error message this time too. Daniel Lawson wrote: > > from reading your other post to nzlug, i'd suggest that logrotate is what > you want :) ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] silly laptops
by David Anderson 09 Dec '01

09 Dec '01

This can also be caused by having the wrong settings for CHS, or if there is HD management software on the HD, seagate and connor drives had one that could make the HD bigger than what could be read by some of the fdisk programs.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Carter" <kylecarter(a)xtra.co.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] silly laptops > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greig McGill" <greig(a)win.co.nz> > To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: [wlug] silly laptops > > > > > looks like its written.. however reboot it or continue on.. and the old > > > partitions are still there... real strange.. > > > > > > no useful options in the bios for virus MBR protection etc.. > > > > > > any ideas? > > > > > > Had this problem twice before. > > Once was a dead controller - hope that's not it! > > The second was just a screwy partition table - low-level format fixed it. > > Ive tried 2 hard drives, 2 laptops (i got given 2 ;-) ) > both are identical.. but i have changed the ram to give 1 8MB ram, and the > other 16 MB ram > > however i get the same error.. have enough ram in there to do it.. > im wondering if its something to do with the hard drive controller. > or the bios.. > > im just rawriting the parted disk.. im pretty sure once i get the partitions > set up the thing will work fine. > > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Wireless in Hillcrest
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

FTP transferring an ISO Image. Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Perry Lorier wrote: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 02:36:11PM +0000, Sahil Gupta - NET4U wrote: > > Hills 19db Grids :) > > Transfer Speed x 8. > > > > What did you use? FTP? tFTP? Samba? > > How did the Waikato Uni people do? > > -- > Tempt not a desperate man. -- William Shakespeare, "Romeo and Juliet" > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Wireless in Hillcrest
by James Spooner 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

We got a 13.5Km link up on wednesday, single TCP session throughput of ~2Mbit, with < 1% packet loss. SNR was 16/17dB each way. Regards James ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Spooner Enrolled BCMS University of Waikato NZ Networking & Linux/BSD WWW: http://www.spoons.gen.nz Phone: +64 7 856 9440 / +64 21 447 638 Email: james(a)spoons.gen.nz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Perry Lorier wrote: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 02:36:11PM +0000, Sahil Gupta - NET4U wrote: > > Hills 19db Grids :) > > Transfer Speed x 8. > > > > What did you use? FTP? tFTP? Samba? > > How did the Waikato Uni people do? > > -- > Tempt not a desperate man. -- William Shakespeare, "Romeo and Juliet" > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Wireless Internet Services in Hillcrest
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 10 Nov '01

10 Nov '01

I must ALSO say, that in the last 2 hours we have confirmed a location for trialing this service. By the end of this month, we shall be there with a definate answer on the reliability and quality of these connections. We would welcome people to come along and take a look at it themselves, before they actually go ahead with it. Also, we would be MORE than happy to colocate a server of this list free of charge. Community Servers and Mirrors would be encouraged, as we will be having heaps of spare, national bandwith. International will be slightly tight on initially but, as it all grows we won't have problems. Quite honestly, at something like $100+GST p/mth the deal is very very good. Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, James Spooner wrote: > > Sahil I find your apparant business practises unprofessional, these posts > border on spam. > > > The pricing brackets are fairly simple. I'm willing to test this out now, > > using a JetStart Connection. If anyone would like to volunteer to pay > > around $1500+GST we will set them up on a 11 Meg Connection, sharing > > JetStart. However, the volunteer will : > > Sahil, this is not a volunteer this is an *investor*. Investor != > Customer. > > > > > > a) Not have to pay for data whilst its on a JetStart Connection > > b) Not have to ay for data for the first 2 months when a Frame Relay is > > there. > > So someone buys your radio gear for you *and* pays for the jetstart, and > you don't charge them? Gee you're a nice bastard. > > Does the person get the $1500 back, or do they get ownership of all the > gear they bought? > > > > > Our charges will be quite simple. We will charge $100+GST per 2gb > > Incoming and 2gb Outgoing. We will ONLY bill by the gig and WILL NOT: > > > > a) Bill by the meg > > b) Bill per 64k (unless it is a significant amount of 64k channels) > > > > So if I transfer 2.0001 GB (I hope you're using 1024*1024*1024 bytes) > > then you will charge me $200+gst ? > > I don't think so! > > > I'm thinking this service will be of good quality. We should have > > anywhere upto 3 locations (which are fairly close by eachother) running as > > POPs. But, the service will definately be of a GOOD QUALITY. > > > > Please tell me GOOD QUALITY doesn't mean 20 people with a 512k cap sharing > a frame relay with a 2Mbit bearer and a 1Mbit CIR. > > > > The good side of this service is that we will be able to supply Static > > (REAL WORLD) I.P. Addresses on the Wireless Link. The client would have > > to JUSTIFY them ofcourse. But, most of the time, we will give a SubNet of > > 8. > > > > We don't exactly care as to what you do with the Wireless Link, as long as > > your bill is paid up on time. > > > Do I want to be on an ISP that happily hosts spammers? > > > > James Spooner > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Next meeting
by Gavin Denby 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

Actually types of shares takes some getting used to you know user Vs share Vs server Vs Domain based permissions and when each would be used ..... and then there's that encrypted password issue, and Swat (running it, and where does it reside, need to be running ... etc.) Daniel Lawson wrote: > Well, i'm doing the presentation etc next Monday, on linux-windows > connectivity. > > Is there anything in particular people would like to see? > > File sharing windows <-> linux > printer sharing windows <-> linux > > and a demo / intro, if anyone present doesn't already know how, of > application 'sharing' linux -> windows. > > Daniel > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Next meeting
by Oliver Jones 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

You can get NFS to work if you have the right software. There is 3rd party stuff and MS stuff. Not that it comes with Win2k by default. The easiest way to do filesharing from a Linux/Unix box to Windows machines is via Samba. Why you'ld even consider NFS is beyond me. Later Greig McGill wrote: >Is NFS available for Win32 platforms? > >BTW - not wanting to even THINK about starting a flame war, but what are >these "certain constraints"? >If we don't know, we can't help! :) > >Greig McGill, RHCE >Systems Engineer, Compel Automation Ltd. >Ph. +64 7 838 3747 Fax. +64 7 838 3737 >Network Engineer - Linux solutions specialist. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Cree" <cree(a)phys.waikato.ac.nz> >To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 4:22 PM >Subject: Re: [wlug] Next meeting > > >>Daniel Lawson writes: >> >> > Is there anything in particular people would like to see? >> > >> > File sharing windows <-> linux >> > printer sharing windows <-> linux >> >>What about NFS exports from Windoze machine? Particulary one that can map >>usernames on the Unix side (via a NIS server) to Windoze users on a >> >Windoze > >>domain controller and properly preserver permissions on both Unix and >>Windoze sides. >> >>And no doubt I'll get swamped with responses saying use Samba. I should >>point out that I consider Samba to be a very much less than ideal solution >>due to certain constraints it has. I would much prefer to avoid that >>route. Actually (and I hope he's not reading this list) I wish our >> >Windoze > >>sys admin would install a decent OS on the rather nice server with raid >>array he got for us. Too bad he crippled it with Microsloth. >> >>Anyone tried Unix Service for Windoze on a Windoze machine? How do you >> >get > >>it to work if you don't have access to the primary domain controller? >> >>Cheers >>Michael >>------------ >>WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group >>WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz >>To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. >> > >------------ >WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group >WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz >To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] Next meeting
by Daniel Lawson 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

> What about NFS exports from Windoze machine? Particulary one that can map > usernames on the Unix side (via a NIS server) to Windoze users on a Windoze > domain controller and properly preserver permissions on both Unix and > Windoze sides. I've not used NFS from win32 - i considered using an NFS client under windows once, but definately not exporting from a windows box. So, unless I magically discover another day between sunday and monday, I cant help too much :/ The name mapping might be eaier to arrange, as there are plenty of equivalent services. Mainly aimed at mapping NTDOM names to unix names. Samba TNG has a winbind daemon which is supposed to do this, IIRC. My demo's will have a LDAP directory rather than NIS, btw. daniel ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Open Letter to Parliament on Open Source Software
by Oliver Jones 03 Oct '01

03 Oct '01

http://www.openz.org/ -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com

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raw disks
by Arne Pallentin 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

hi everyone, I just tried to use a dual boot W2K installation via vmware from my SuSE 7.2 box. Problem: I do not have access to the dev (hde), and including me into user-group "disk" as advised by vmware does not work. Does someone know how I can set write access for that hd?? Thanks, Arne -- Arne Pallentin, Dipl.-Geol. Dept. of Earth Sciences - UoW Hamilton New Zealand ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] CD reader/writers
by Oliver Jones 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Which incidentally is how Windows does it as well. It is just a little harder to notice. :) Windows uses ASPI which is a SCSI API. The IDE devices have IDE->SCSI/ASPI support in their drivers. Later Chris Martin wrote: >You need to enable SCSI emulation, it's an option in the kernel. >Beyond that I'm not sure, I haven't set up an IDE burner in Linux >(mine is SCSI), but you need to fool it into thinking your IDE burner >is a SCSI device. > >>Yo people >> >>I'm having problems getting a CD reader/writer going properly on my Linux >>installation. Wondering if some bright spark can give some illumination on >>the problem? >> >>System: Suse 7.2, kde 2.2 on an AMD processor based system. >>CD-Reader/Writer: Goldstar IDE CD-reader/writer >> >>The CD reader/writer is on the slave port of the primary IDE >>controller. Note that it is IDE and not SCSI. >> >>What works: >> >>1) I can mount an ISO9960 CD and read it fine. >> >>What doesn't work: >> >>1) Can't write ISO image to CD. I try to use cdrecorder and it wants a >> device specification. I don't know what on earth to tell it. The manual >> is no help - it is all geered towards a SCSI CD-writer. Can someone tell >> me what I should be telling it for a device? >> >>2) Can't play music CDs. I run KDE's CDplayer program and it can start >> reading the music CD OK, and says its playing but no sound is comes out >> whatsoever. >> >> Maybe worth noting that KDE on startup (ie login) reports it can't find >> the /dev/dsp device and says it will use the null sound device >> instead. However all its own little jingles, bells, whatnots are sounded >> OK. I hear them. Just not the CD. >> >> The appropriate wire connecting the CD reader to the sound board is >> attached. >> >> Don't have any clue what the sound board is - it's on the motherboard. >> >>Any suggestions? >> >>Cheers >>Michael >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Dr Michael Cree Email: cree(a)phys.waikato.ac.nz >>Lecturer >>Dept. Physics and Elec. Eng. >>University of Waikato >>Private Bag 3105 Fax: +64-7-8384219 >>Hamilton Telephone: +64-7-8384301 >>New Zealand >>------------ >>WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group >>WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz >>To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. >> > > >------------ >WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group >WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz >To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] CD reader/writers
by Matthias Dallmeier 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Michael Cree wrote: > Any suggestions? Read the CD-Writing HOWTO. Basically, you want to set it up to pretend to be a SCSI device. -- Matthias ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] XTerminals
by Gavin Denby 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

It was one of the files being sought at the Lug meeting > > What's the significance of the (40) in this sentence? Daniel/Bruce. Could really use a howto. Maybe update the one I dropped off to bruce. > >What do all the various different Xncdecx_* files do? >They all look different and I haven't tried any of the others yet. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] oh my god
by Gavin Denby 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

Oh you mean ATM's aren't those things the tellers type on ??????? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gavin Denby To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [wlug] oh my god I thought he said that Automatic Teller Machines were copied from IBM years ago ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindsay Druett To: 'wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: RE: [wlug] oh my god I'm sure that when BNZ was talking to the salesman about ATM and whether or not WinNT could handle it. The salesman would have said "Yes.." as they always do, and go on to say Microsoft has been supporting ATM for years. After all Adobe Type Manager has been around for a while now. -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Carter [mailto:kylecarter(a)xtra.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 31 August 2001 11:42 To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [wlug] oh my god http://www.idgnet.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/03794CA97FC2E535CC256AB7007408C3!o… free money coming everyones way.

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Re: [wlug] Samba is giving me brain damage
by Greig McGill 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

And in /etc/samba/lmhosts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Denby" <redhat(a)ihug.co.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] Samba is giving me brain damage > have you set up the winme client details in /etc/hosts and /etc/host allow > files? > > It caught me out before. > > also has the winme client login been given permissions for the shared files. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Anderson" <anderson_dj(a)xtra.co.nz> > To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:40 PM > Subject: [wlug] Samba is giving me brain damage > > > > I have been trying to setup a samba server for a WinME client. > > > > I can see the samba server from windows, in the correct workgroup. > > I can ping from windows to the server and from the server to windows. > > > > If i setup a share on the WinME side, i can then browse that for the > server > > side. > > > > I try to connect using - net use * \\tahuna\samdata and i get an error 53: > > message. > > If i type smbclient -L tahuna , it returns that there is a share called > > samdata. > > If i type smbclient -L dt01 - dt01 is the client, it returns the correct > > info also. > > > > Can anyone help me, i have checked the net and can't find any info to help > > me. > > I have also used a windows 95 client in case ME was stuffing something up > > but > > same problems. > > > > Thanks > > Dave > > > > > > > > ------------ > > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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RE: [wlug] pong
by Kim Shepherd 13 Aug '01

13 Aug '01

Everyone knows students smell the worst.. :) -- Kim Shepherd <kims(a)waikato.ac.nz> ITS Systems & Development University of Waikato, NZ. +64 7 838 4681 > -----Original Message----- > From: James Spooner [mailto:james(a)spoons.gen.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2001 11:40 a.m. > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [wlug] pong > > > > You smell :) bahahahaha *sigh* > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > James Spooner Enrolled BCMS > University of Waikato NZ > Networking & Linux/BSD WWW: http://www.spoons.gen.nz Phone: +64 7 856 9440 extn 666 Email: james(a)spoons.gen.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Daniel Lawson wrote: > > > anyone alive... ? > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] pong
by James Spooner 13 Aug '01

13 Aug '01

You smell :) bahahahaha *sigh* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Spooner Enrolled BCMS University of Waikato NZ Networking & Linux/BSD WWW: http://www.spoons.gen.nz Phone: +64 7 856 9440 extn 666 Email: james(a)spoons.gen.nz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Daniel Lawson wrote: > > > anyone alive... ? > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] X client for Windows?
by Oliver Jones 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Exceed is excellent but _way_ expensive. Xwin32 (by Star...something) is good and cheaper. If you install cygwin and XFree86 on Win2k you get a "free" one and bash and lots of gnu tools to play with. XFree for WIn32 was not very stable last time I looked. But was improving fast so maybe it is usable now. Later Bob Brown wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anyone recommend a good X client for Windows? My linux box runs with > just a power and a network cable into it and I'd like to run some of the X > apps on it (like Kylix etc...) ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Apache as Backup
by Oliver Jones 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

> If you wanted to have a redundant machine on the same network then it would > work easily as you can probably can configure the local router if and when > the main server goes down. You could easily have a something monitoring the > system and if a machine goes down reroute its packets to an other machine > that is configured to accept them if such problems arise. Alternatively you can just buy redundant links from different uplink ISP's and have your redundent webserver inhouse. Later -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Computers as tools
by Daniel Lawson 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

> People don't like to learn new things and expect the "perfect" software to > guess what they are trying to do and do it for them. (shades of XP?) > However to those of us who who know what we are doing such application > behaviour is obtrusive and annoying. This is another large HCI issue. How do you make an interface which is "intuitive" and "user-friendly" so that even a person who has never experienced a similar system before, be able to use it without any form of training; AND make sure that the same interface doesn't get in the way of someone who has been using it for a while? For simple programs, this is no big deal. For complex programs, it is. MS tried to solve this in office2k by hiding options that weren't used often. For a new user, the menus are sparse. There is nothing to confuse them. Experienced users can still navigate their way round and get the required functionality. Lets not mention the problems caused to new users when office decides something isn't used much any more and hides the item from the menu ;) > As far as learning new tools, such as lisp, emacs, or sendmail rewrite rules I > have one teeny problem. I kind of don't like learning legacy, ready to die, > non progressive languages for the sake of maintaining legacy applications. I > would put sendmail in that category. I think its concept is way to clumsy. I > would like to see something a bit more logical and more closely related to the > problem domain rather than idiosyncratic syntax. emacs and lisp are not 'legacy' I cant use ms office at uni - no win32 boxes. I refuse to use staroffice because its a pain in the ass, huge, and mimics a win32 desktop - which is REALLY annoying in linux. I use emacs instead, it does everything I want, and it does it better than the office suites would have. And it has tetris :). sendmail, well... > However I think languages like Java are a good idea. I think any kind of RAD > tool is a good idea. I think languages that create a better representation of > the problem that they are modelling are a good idea. I just don't like > seeing old technology hanging on past its use by date because it's "tried and > proven". There is a big difference between continuing to support legacy apps because they are already implemented in a production system, and implementing a legacy app in a new system. By all means, when rolling out a new mailserver, use exim or postfix or qmail, or whatever you prefer. I think if you tried to replace a legacy sendmail server in a large network you'd create far more problems and spend far more time than it would have taken to have learned how to use sendmail to the point you can fix the problem. > Yes, we should be willing to learn, if its progress. As long as its not COBOL. > ;) Even if its not progress, we should be willing to learn. How much of the software / it consultant industry in the 90's was to do with "Y2K bugs" ? Which could all fall under the domain of 'legacy applications'. COBOL's another kettle of fish entirely ;) (although, a good deal of aforementioned 'y2k bugs' would have been for cobol systems) Daniel ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Computers as tools
by Martin Baehr 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:56:21PM +1200, Daniel Lawson wrote: > Why do people object to learning how to use a technology? you missunderstand. there is a difference in learning something you will use every day vs. learning something you will use only once. there is absolutely no problem to learn how to use emacs. i only do not want to have to learn how to configure it. > Do you have the same expectation of a car? That you can jump in and use it > straight away, without prior knowledge of cars? the expense and time to learn to drive is one reason why i don't. (environmental issues are the other) people learn to drive because they are forced to. > They adopt a 'its too hard' or a 'I dont have time' attitude. This is very > apparent with computers, rather than other technological advances. A lot > of people will quite happily learn how to use a VCR, DVD player, advanced > TV controls on their flash new 100HZ Philips TV, whatever. Yet they will > balk, or even be 'unable' to learn a computer program interface that > doesn't have pretty colours and isn't inherently obvious from a casual > glance. you are ignoring that the complexity of a computer differs by several magnitudes from those other devices you mentioned. and also there are a lot of people out there who have no clue how to use those devices. in order to type text a computer needs to come down to the complexity of a typewriter. The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw by accepting computers the way they are now, you are standing in the way of progress. i do not want to adapt to the computer. nuff said. greetings, martin. -- by the end of 2001 i'd like to find a new job anywhere in the world, doing pike development and/or training and/or unix and roxen system administration. -- pike programmer Traveling in New Zealand (www|db).hb2.tuwien.ac.at unix (iaeste|bahai).or.at (www.archlab|iaeste).tuwien.ac.at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org mud.at is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin B"ahr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/ ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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RE: [wlug] More Grrrr....
by James Spooner 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Isn't that A.Thrift? -----Original Message----- From: owner-wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Greig McGill Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 1:19 PM To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [wlug] More Grrrr.... > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at paradise.net.nz. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > <linuxbox(a)paradise.net.nz>: > Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) Anyone know this critter? I've unsubbed it. Hmmm...I wonder if there's an award for BLOFH! ;) Greig McGill RHCE Systems Engineer, Compel Automation Ltd. Ph. +64 7 838 3747 Fax. +64 7 838 3737 Network Engineer - Linux solutions specialist. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] [Fwd: FW: Microsoft restrictions on EULA for Mobile Internet Toolkit]
by Greig McGill 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

Actually - we do, but it's huge, clunky, and it's Word doc type "compatibility" is a joke. A lot of people say that, and I always wonder if they've ever tried using it on a daily basis in a corporate environment. Plus, it's no fun trying to wean all the MS lovers (well, they like Office) here off of it! And spellcheck is broken...and...and...<<endless stream of bitching about SO>> Greig McGill RHCE Systems Engineer, Compel Automation Ltd. Ph. +64 7 838 3747 Fax. +64 7 838 3737 Network Engineer - Linux solutions specialist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Jones" <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: FW: Microsoft restrictions on EULA for Mobile Internet Toolkit] > > > Oi! But here at work I NEED to use M$ apps... :( > > Well, actually I don't, but I choose to so as to make life easier for my > > co-workers! :) > > You could use star office. :) > > -- > Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 > - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Help with installing linux?
by Glenn Reed 20 Jun '01

20 Jun '01

Personally I think a 486 would be too slow to run the latest software out there well. X-Windows with KDE or Gnome would be a tad slow. Anyone else on the list like to offer what they think is the minimum spec for a decent linux system running desktop type software? What kind of system do you have currently, in terms of available hard drive space and RAM, etc? Regards Glenn. On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, you wrote: > Any Linux bods in Cambridge that could assist in setting up > linux? Am a new user and my first attempt at loading Redhat 7.1 > stuffed my Windows 98 system up complexly. I want to be able to > run both to try things out. I want to put linux on a 486 if > possible. > > Many thanks > ============================= > Grant Nicklin > 75 Princes Street, Cambridge > Ph (07) 827-4167, Fax (07) 827-4965 > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/01 > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Glenn Reed email: glenn.r(a)ihug.co.nz New Zealand web: http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/g.reed/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Next Meet
by Chris Martin 31 May '01

31 May '01

>> Going from Redhat/Mandrake to Debian is quite a steep jump, Debian >> isn't anywhere near as easy to set up, although its package management >> system (apt) is nicer than RPM. Progeny Debian and Storm Linux are >> more user-friendly versions of Debian. Stormix have gone out of business >> last I heard, but Progeny is still around. I can make copies of the two >> Progeny binary CDs if you like, I don't plan on installing it myself for another >> couple of weeks yet since I need compatibility with the lab machines at uni >> until the end of the semester (so I'm running Slackware 7.0). > >Ewww slackware... evil. ;) It's actually pretty nice, if you don't plan on upgrading things too often ;-) It's a good way to familiarise yourself with the internals of the OS tho. >I'm personally of the opinion that although apt-get is quite convienient >it has potentially large security flaws. Or at least it appears to >have. Though I'm not experienced enough with debian to give a >definiative statement in that regard. I'm still sticking to RedHat as >I've not seen anything in debian to really convince me to jump ship. Installing binary RPMs isn't that safe either, is it? Unless you plan on installing from source, and studying it in detail, every time you install a program, you have to take a leap of faith regardless of your package management system. The apt system seems pretty well-regulated, not like someone could sneak in a nasty new version of the Gimp that sends all your pictures to the Church of Scientology. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Mandrake 8 d2
by kerriny＠paradise.net.nz 31 May '01

31 May '01

Does anyone have Mandrake 8 disk 2? I have painstakingly downloaded disk one, however would like to experiment with the firewalls on the second disk. If anyone can help, could you please drop me a line. Thanks, Kerrin ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] kmail and netscape nav problem
by Oliver Jones 02 May '01

02 May '01

> Nearly all linux email clients will function in "offline" mode if you > configure them to do so. > Another way to do it is set up your local system as a mail server - I use a > sendmail/fetchmail combo, and have your client talk to that. That way ALL > mail is technically offline, until you trigger a mailqueue run with > sendmail -q. > > To answer your need for Outlook Express - I'd heap scorn, but guess what I'm > using here at work :) - try evolution from helixcode. >From Ximian boy, Ximian. ;) Also Evolution (last time I looked) really wasn't stable enough). And it hates my Cyrus IMAPD. :( Later -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] LDAP
by Oliver Jones 07 Apr '01

07 Apr '01

> my /etc/default/useradd has a 'GROUP' value of 100, yet useradd assigns a > per-user group of gid > 500 and assigns that to the user? Or is that > actually standard practise? That is because of /etc/login.defs which is used. It specifies more detail than /etc/defaults/useradd. You will notice that group 100 is the group users. The lowest group an user should be a member of. I'm not sure if you're added to that group by default tho. > Or, of course, have redhat patched useradd. > > > [oliver] duality:/usr/sbin$ ls -la adduser > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Feb 17 19:08 adduser -> > > useradd* > > sure. In that case, you *still* need to provide a wrapper to magically > determine whether to update the ldap store or the system files, or to > provide a new useradd to replace the old one. If you're using ldap to store site wide information that information should only be about human users. "System" (mysql, bin, root, mail) users should probably be in /etc/passwd. They rarely have passwords (except root) anyway. Also if that sort of info wasn't stored in reliable places (ie, in a file) you could stop your system from booting or functioning by DoS'ing slapd or having an incorrect configuration. Even if slapd crashed you could log in as root and restart it. PAM allows for fall back authentication. Later -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] WLUG distribution
by Daniel Lawson 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

>Depends. Lots of those huge distros have lots of programs. Many of >which duplicate functionality. Ie, 20 different editors for console/X. Exactly. Some of them also have free trials of commercial products. Ha! >Oh and something else to add to the wish list! Pentium compiled >packages! Down with 486's!!... ;) Or at least make it _really_ easy to >create a i586+ distro. 'make world target=i586' ? :) >Actually here is a question. Anyone know if RH6.2 with stock standard >gcc (ie, egcs 1.1.2 aka egcs-2.91.66) can produce i586 binaries? I run RH6.1 on beltaine, but I may have upgraded GCC. rpm -qa | grep egcs egcs-1.1.2-24 egcs-c++-1.1.2-24 from the GCC info page (with a bit of searching) info egcs -> Invoking GCC -> Submodel Options -> i386 Options -------------------------------- Intel 386 Options ----------------- These `-m' options are defined for the i386 family of computers: `-mcpu=CPU TYPE' Assume the defaults for the machine type CPU TYPE when scheduling instructions. The choices for CPU TYPE are: `i386', `i486', `i586' (`pentium'), `pentium', `i686' (`pentiumpro') and `pentiumpro'. While picking a specific CPU TYPE will schedule things appropriately for that particular chip, the compiler will not generate any code that does not run on the i386 without the `-march=CPU TYPE' option being used. `-march=CPU TYPE' Generate instructions for the machine type CPU TYPE. The choices for CPU TYPE are: `i386', `i486', `pentium', and `pentiumpro'. Specifying `-march=CPU TYPE' implies `-mcpu=CPU TYPE'. `-m386' `-m486' `-mpentium' `-mpentiumpro' Synonyms for -mcpu=i386, -mcpu=i486, -mcpu=pentium, and -mcpu=pentiumpro respectively. -------------- so, its actually sufficient to pass -march=i586 to compile with pentium optimisations. I tweaked my global rpmrc thusly... (olly, you may already know this, but its for the rest of the group as well, if they didn't know it ;) it already has lines like: optflags: i486 -O2 -march=i486 optflags: i586 -O2 -march=i586 optflags: i686 -O2 -march=i686 meaning it will compile for the correct architecture, if you set it up right. later on in the file is a section with a whole lot of 'buildarchtranslate' options, such as buildarchtranslate: i586: i386 changing this to read 'i586' means rpm builds i586 target rpms by default. alternatively you can pass the --target=i586 to have the same effect, i beleive. of course, stuff built for an i686 will have problems running on an i386, so be careful when building rpms for other computers! also.. re recent conversation on .rpmmacro entries... if you look in /usr/lib/rpm/macros it has all the macros you might want to set. Some are only useful in the spec file of an srpm, but a lot could be useful. Probably not a wise idea to change this file directly, override the options in your $HOME/.rpmmacros file if you want to play ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] WLUG distribution
by Oliver Jones 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

> For any videocard? I have a TNT2, it's not directly supported in the > kernel (for fbcon) afaik. I have a neat free DOS program which can > set the refresh rate (per resolution/colourdepth) for any VBE2 compliant > videocard, if anyone wants it. It even works in Win9x when you're running > DOS programs that use VBE modes. I'm not sure about that particular case as I've not used fbcon much at all. Later -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Brain free distro - root password required
by Perry Lorier 20 Mar '01

20 Mar '01

> What _should_ happen IMO is that it gives you some nice screens saying > "Please enter what you wish the system adminstration password to be. This > password will be required for making changes to system > configuration." This then becomes the root password - for a newbie > friendly distro there should be able to be a "system adminstration > password" without the concept of a root account. "If you want to perform > manual system adminstration (not recommended for most users) log in as root > with the adminstration password you just chose." It's reasonaly easy to prevent users logging in to X as root, as this is 99% of your "misinformed users" they quickly discover thaat they either use su, or the gui tools (that conveiently prompt you for a password), or they use a text console. (If they can figure out what the text consoles are, then they're doing ok. - they won't use it for daily use). Just change 'allowroot' in the 'security' section of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf to false. > Has anyone considered a setup where it automatically logs you into X using > this "standard PC account" - a bit more insecure yes, but good for a home PC? > I installed MS networking login on Mums PC once so I could log into file > shares on my Linux box. She demanded it be removed as it confused her on > startup. These are the people standing between Linux and "world domination"! Yeah, easy to do. With a bit of tweaking you can setup gdm to show a picture of each user (and their name), and not have it prompt for a password. (click on the picture of you, and press 'enter'.....) > >Given that you can do damage as root (explanation later) why would you > >want to ruin your $n000 PCs configuration, when, for very little hassle > >really, you can protect it from yourself! > > Cos you're lazy, and never think of it. Cos you're an ex-Windows user who > doesn't understand, and would rather just log in as root every time. Cos > it wasnt the proper default. Cos you trust your programs not to go wrong. Because windows: * Hides critical information to you so you can't stuff it up. (evidence by the htmlified /windows directory) * Asks for confirmation on everything. * Locks system critical components so you can't do anything with them ("That file is in use by the operating system and cannot be deleted at this time"). Linux: * Is transparent - you can see whats going on under the hood. * Assumes that you ment what you said * Doesn't believe in preventing you from doing what your trying to do. Ever tried to delete a file under windows which is causing problems? watched it fail? :) Ever tried deleting critical libraries under unix? watched the rest of your system fail instead? > Should I be logging into Windows as a seperate user? > Do you? In general I don't login to windows, if required to I press 'escape' :) > >root doesn't just apply to "your" permissions. Every process you start > >also has root access (and yes, this holds true under lose2k as well). If > >ANY of those processes are buggy, or have remote-exploit bugs in them, > >bye-bye data! > > If any processes are buggy you will lose data. What do you care about most > if youre a home user? Your documents. They all belong to you. > (All of your documents are belong to you!) Several programs when run as root use the system config's, not the per user ones. You change the config to your desire - now everyone's config is like that -- and they can't change it. Some programs (such as minicom) are nice enough to warn you that they are doing this. Others aren't so forgiving. Programs such as bitchx are security nightmares, running them as root or otherwise is a security hazard, but I doubt many people would give up their IRC addiction :) > If any processes have remote exploit bugs in them, even if they're user > space, you can download the password file and then run crack on it. > Knowing a standard home user their root password will be "sex" or "fred". heh, Redhat at least is smart enough to prevent people inflicting this upon themselves unless they know how to SU to root and change it themselves. The most difficult years of marriage are those following the wedding. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Conceptual Distribution
by Bruce Kingsbury 20 Mar '01

20 Mar '01

> I suggested earlier that we should make meetings more regular to keep pace > with developments etc. This could be another option, with a "development I would suggest first Monday of every month at BTM (presentation), third Monday at the Radio Clubrooms (hands-on). One meeting a month seems a little too infrequent to me. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] X + Redhat7 Gui frettings
by Colin Palmer 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Greig McGill wrote: > BUT - and there's always a but - there are no nice RPMs from RedHat for it. > I've done a source build of X before on a "roll-yer-own" distro, but never > tried to upgrade X under RH before. > What is the best/easiest way to do this without breaking anything? The _best_ way is to get hold of the .spec file from the 4.0.1 source RPM, tweak it as necessary for anything that might have changed in 4.0.3 then use that, along with tarballs of the 4.0.3 source and the rpm command to build your own RPMs, which you then upgrade to via the normal methods. The _easiest_ way is to wait for someone else (eg RedHat themselves) to make those RPMs for you. :) --Colin. ** Colin Palmer, Systems and Development Group, University of Waikato, NZ ** ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Is Undernet reliable enough for WLUG
by Glenn Reed 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, you wrote: > > Is undernet reliable enough for #WLUG. It has a history of hard to connect, > > "connection class full" and denial of service attacks. Is there a reason why > > people prefer undernet or would a less popular but more reliable service also > > suit? > > I must admit I'm somewhat bias'd, but although undernet may not be the > most stable thing on the planet, from what I've seen I've yet to meet irc > servers that are more stable. What about the appleslice servers forming part of the appleslice irc network. It is easy to get connected, no connection class full problems, and I haven't seen any netsplits (aka denial of service attack) happen there. See http://www.appleslice.org Glenn. > > -- > There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear. > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Is Undernet reliable enough for WLUG
by Oliver Jones 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Glenn Reed wrote: > > Is undernet reliable enough for #WLUG. It has a history of hard to connect, > "connection class full" and denial of service attacks. Is there a reason why > people prefer undernet or would a less popular but more reliable service also > suit? Undernet is where people like Perry, Daniel, Ray, and I "hang" in #iltonham. Hence why undernet was suggested. :) Later -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Unsub - anyone know this miscreant?
by Perry Lorier 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

> > Grrrr to people who leave mail addresses subbed when sodding off. > If anyone knows jap5(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz, please beat them for me. > > I have unsubbed this address. I'll see him at lunchtime and smack him around appropriately. -- Your heart is pure, and your mind clear, and your soul devout. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] IRC channel
by Greig McGill 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

> > Good call - is it registered with X? Perry? ;P > > > > Nope, why needs X? just gline anyone who wanders near... Oh you and your funny talk. +------------------------------------------+ | Greig McGill | | Systems Engineer - Compel Automation Ltd | | Ph. +64 7 838 3747 Fax. +64 7 838 3737 | | web: http://www.compel.co.nz | +------------------------------------------+ ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Linux (or anything) vs Windows on the preinstalled PC
by Jon Tocker 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

On 8 Mar 01, at 14:10, Bruce Kingsbury wrote: > From the network side Linux can be made _very_ secure, but the default > for most distributions is slightly less secure than a default 'doze > install, and it's only luck and obscurity that has saved us so far, imho.. Tell me about it - Shields Up website informed me I had more open ports than Venice. > The problem is that the big distro makers have a default install where > everything is enabled, including one or two well-known root-exploitable > services. In this enviromnent viruses and worms are inevitable but we can > make -our- boxes secure, and be sure that -we- never get them. Right - all the more reason for modifying whatever distro we use when we configure the OS and apps for any machine we set up. Regards Jon Tocker ***There is no spoon*** ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] World Domination and other matters.
by Jon Tocker 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

On 8 Mar 01, at 12:02, Andreas wrote: > I don't see the assambly and installation as something I could not be > bothered to do...it gets boring after a while, that is true but I'd be in > for that. However, how would you deal with warranties on hardware? Heh, it's just that I've built too many computers and repaired too many - I *was* a programmer before my job changed. Software, programming and OS work are more to my taste. Hardware warranties - hmmm, repairing equipment for free because it didn't survive burn-in - what *joy*! That's why I told someone who suggested I make my own range of computers that I wasn't interested. > Further I agree to a rather small range of hardware combinations as you > want attractive specs but also compatibility. Essentially this means you > have three or four sets of hardware and install each once and create an > image. This minimises the time for installations. That was what I thought myself. Configure the OS for the systems and mass produce it. Doing all the builds from the ground up would be both time consuming and open to error should a step be forgotten. Preplanning the software would be important - like the comment made at the meeting regarding firewalls and sewing them up too tight to allow the user to install ICQ - preinstall ICQ, factor it into the firewalling and it's there if the user wants it. If they don't, they don't have to use it. Yah, OK, so there's stuff on there they won't need, taking up space - like that's going to be a problem considering 20Gb is about the smallest HDD you can get these days :) Regards Jon Tocker ***There is no spoon*** ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Linux (or anything) vs Windows on the preinstalled PC
by Jon Tocker 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

On 7 Mar 01, at 21:48, Craig Box wrote: > Something you forget in the word-of-mouth sale approach to PCs: > > 1. "Hey, I got this cool new computer with Linux pre installed!" > 2. "Sweet. Hey, heres this disk with a game/cool program/document on it" > 1. "Erm.. I can't load it or use it sorry" 2. "That sucks dude. Get > Windows, everyone I know uses Windows (perhaps hands over warez Windows > CD)" Doze is not worth pirating. > Vicious cycle. Until Linux can interact 100% with Windows, how are you > going to sell it as a desktop OS? By pointing out that the viruses that infect Windows also won't run on Linux - especially VBS-based email and Word viruses. In order to make Linux 100% interactive with Windows, you'd have to make Linux as brain damaged as Windows. WinE has made some good advances in getting some Windows-based software running. Documents and graphics files are generally no problem. Providing our Linux box has Arial and Times New Roman fonts (they have extended characters in them that do not display if viewed using some Type A fonts - makes the conversion of some Word docs to Star Office problematic) most Word docs can be converted into Star Office or Applixware Office. Graphic files - jpg, gif etc - can be read without problems. Even animated gifs can be read. There are plenty of Linux games out there, including a lot that are popular on Windows that have been ported across or a similar game has been written from scratch. As to accessing the disk - my standard for Linux installs is to add another mount point: /mnt/msfloppy - same as /mnt/floppy but the type is VFAT. This allows a disk formatted on a doze box to be read and any *legitimate* stuff copied onto the linux box. Most the "cool programs" in the public domain that don't have a Linux equivalent are pure fluff (such as exe files that give a short video clip of someone stripping/having sex etc). Those that aren't in the public domain aren't allowed to be copied - what's the problem? You can get mpegs with people stripping if you're into that sort of thing - and they run fine on Linux. (oops ;P) The great joy about Linux is that the stuff written for it is largely free to be distributed, tested and modified (with a few exceptions) being able to pirate copyrighted software on your Linux box seems to me to defeat the purpose. The idea I have is to enlist more people in the notion of having a great community where you're *allowed* to circulate stuff that people have freely given, not to promote stealing stuff that people have invested moiney in and expect a return from. Hackers and Warez-d00dz both agree that software should be free. The main difference is that hackers say "here's what I've created, take it, distribute it, if it suits you, use it, if you can improve it let me know. This is my gift." A warez-d00d says "here's something I stole from someone else, I don't think they deserve to get a return on their investment." I for one agree with the hacker outlook. Many hackers are paid to create programs for those companies that charge money for their software; what the hacker creates during *free time*, for the love of hacking, is what is given away. But to eat the hacker maybe works for Broderbund or Adobe. I do not begrudge those companies who invest money in their product making a fair return. Let those who wish to charge for their creations do so, let those who wish to give their creations away do so as well. Let's try this scenario: 1. "Hey, I got this cool new computer with Linux pre installed!" 2. "Sweet. Hey, heres this disk with a game/cool program on it" 1. "Erm.. I can't load it or use it sorry" 2. "That sucks dude. Get Windows, everyone I know uses Windows 1. "And look at how many people voted for [insert favourite political scapegoat]! Actually, I've already got a Linux version of that game and I'm not interested in stealing someone's stuff when I've got a whole community out there giving me cool stuff for free. You can spend the rest of your life worrying about whether you'll get busted, if you like, I don't have that worry. The Linux-based software I've looked at so far that is not freely distributable is extremely well priced. Compare Applixware Office - $220 - with M$ Oriface 2000 - $1080. Gee, I wonder which I'd rather buy... Photoshop - certainly worth stealing IMHO, but the GIMP is free, so why bothr? AutoCAD is bloody horrifically priced, the Linux equivalent is free. Regards Jon Tocker ***There is no spoon*** ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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IBM
by Morticia 05 Mar '01

05 Mar '01

Even IBM are getting on the bandwagon... well up front at last maybe http://www.wirednews.com/news/business/0,1367,42156,00.html Cheers Alison ~~World Domination Through World Co-operation~~ ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] A quick question...
by Perry Lorier 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

> I think the following are innovative: > > CORBA is reputed to be a better technology than Microsoft's COM and is > free at www.corba.org CORBA is I guess. I wonder how old CORBA is. > I believe text-to-speech is better with the open source community but > this same open sourced technology is available for both Windows and > Linux Hrm, dunno about this, I've watched bruce battle with this and fail miserably :) > Perl\Python scripting is better than anything Microsoft has come up > with. I am not sold on Microsoft's Visual Basic. Now thats a good point, perl predates linux by a pretty good margin, but python obviously doesn't. -- No one can put you down without your full cooperation. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] A quick question...
by Perry Lorier 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

> What about the ext2 filesystem? Keeps defragmentation to a minimum > without the need for defragging. Long file names at the CLI level. > Compare that with VFAT. While this isn't really a 'linuxy' innovation, ReiserFS obviously is. So I guess we can chalk one up for Linux here. > What about Shared Objects better than Windows DLL files? Two > libraries of different versions can be in RAM both at the same time. yeah, except this is something that came from the BSD's. > I might think of some more later. It had me stumped, and if we're gonna laugh at MS for saying that they demand the freedom to innovate, we should at least know ourselves a lot better :) -- Scenery is here, wish you were beautiful. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Slackware 7.1
by Greig McGill 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Sweet as Matt - where are you, when are you available, and what do you want in return? My soul is unavailable, due to a prior deal with some large red dude... >:-> Greig. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Brown" <mattbrown(a)wave.co.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] Slackware 7.1 > I've got Slackware 7.1 > > and a CD Writer so I may be able to help you out, > > drop me a line and we'll see what we can sort out. > > Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greig McGill" <greig(a)compel.co.nz> > To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 1:06 PM > Subject: [wlug] Slackware 7.1 > > > > Hi all. > > > > Does anyone out there have a copy of Slackware 7.1 on CD? > > I need to experiment with a few things for a job on a mission critical > > server running Slackware, and I really don't want to screw it up through > > lack of familiarity! :-) > > > > I can pay or provide blanks, or trade this nice shiny FreeBSD 4.2 ISO. > > > > Anyone? > > > > +------------------------------------------+ > > | Greig McGill | > > | Systems Engineer - Compel Automation Ltd | > > | Ph. +64 7 838 3747 Fax. +64 7 838 3737 | > > | web: http://www.compel.co.nz | > > +------------------------------------------+ > > > > > > > > ------------ > > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Can anyone recommend good offline news browser
by Gavin Denby 11 Feb '01

11 Feb '01

Is star office reader offline?? SO can do news and e-mail, S.O. will also allow the word doc to display in the e-mail panel which I find usefull, I get lots of e-mail in this format too, thus my reliance of SO for e-mail. (I'm possibly interested in about a tenth of what i'm sent so this saves time for me anyway) But as I am hidden from the real world by a proxy, I have no idea if it is off-line capable or not, I get newsgroups direct off my HDD. Sorry, But it would solve the e-mail query. Have you considered setting up your own news server on the linux box ?? > Actually the attachment problem could be a wider issue because people > will send me Word documents as attachments but I suppose I could open > them in Star Office. Not sure how I would make that at automatic > 1-step click from the email program though. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Minutes of February Meeting.
by Gavin Denby 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Being our first meeting the agenda of the meeting was constrained to the goals of setting a plan for meetings. It was decided to : 1. Meet Monthly Monday evenings at 7pm 2. Alternate meetings between the BTM building (Presentations, and How-To sessions) and the Amateur radio clubrooms (Hands on and Technical sessions) 3. Try to take over the world, by encouraging others onto open source and linux use. The following Individuals either Volunteered, were guided, or just plain old got the hard word, to put together a presentation on the following topics The Linux Kernel: What it does, What can be done to it, How to Compile/Use your very own Kernel & OOPS - Thanks Raymond Text-Speech on linux. Glen & Bruce Shell Scripts (Pipes?) Pearl and other neat tricks. - Thanks Jonathan IP Chains/Tables and other address Translation tips from the Guru's - Wow isn't Greig McGill Kind :-) Security for your Box: Do you really need it, How to do it, how to audit a problem. - Thanks Perry X-Terms, (Hands on at Clubrooms) - Some will be up for sale afterwards, with any proceeds going to the LUG's costs. - Team Jono and Gavin Clustering ?????? - We are really gonna grovel here, but may get a demo arranged. Linux in the embedded Market. An Overview - Gavin (maybe) Windoze Connectivity. Volunteers Please - How about it Greig ??????????? Squeezing Linux into Tight spaces, Small HDD/Memory installs - Volunteers & stories please. And as things come to mind we can include them too. So the next meeting is Monday 5 March, 7pm. B T M Building 1130 Victoria Street - on the corner next to Claudlands bridge. Subject: The Linux Kernel Courtesy of Perry See you all there ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] When/Where is next Linux meet?
by Jon Tocker 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

On 30 Jan 01, at 10:42, Bruce Kingsbury wrote: > I'd agree with that, but he referred to using windows devices from > Linux.. EG printing to a WinPrinter from your Gnome desktop.. I've had to > do this in the past, and it's really painful. groan! That's what I'm proposing to do (not being able to afford a replacement for my Star Dozetype 4000) I think I'll try hanging an a4 refill and a biro of the back of my Linux box parallel port - it might be easier. I can't wait for the day when I can consign Windows to the rubbish bin entirely but before then I need to get a Linux-compliant laser- printer (inkjets don't measure up, never will) and convert all my M$ Oriface documents into something that Linux apps can read (#$##$% Microsoft Word's "smart quotes" and other "helpful" characters don't seem to come across into Star Office documents.) For the sake of the blissfully ignorant (and I hope there are some of you out there) "smart" quotes is M$'s option that automatically turns ' and " into "sixes" and "nines" or "sixty-sixes" and "ninety- nines" - depending on whether the apostrophe or double-quote appears to the right or left of a space. Dunno what character set they use, but it doesn't convert back across to ASCII char-set *even* when you tell Word to SaveAs "Text" (which loses all font formatting). Word-produced RTF files can't even be reliably imported into editors that use ASCII. Other "smart" punctuation includes en- and em-spaces, en- and em-dashes and other typographical marks. OK, It can be turned off, but any docs created while it was turned on need to have every single smart punctuation mark replaced before converting to Star Office files. (The only way I've discovered how to do this so far is to use global replace to first of all replace every " or ' or em-space with a character not used anywhere in the document (I used the tilde) then go back and replace all instances of that character with the correct one - assuming "smart punctuation" is turned off ther characters will be standard ASCII. You can't replace " with " in Word) So, regrettably, until I've edited every single document I have on my Windows box and scraped up enough for a real laser printer, I'm going to need to learn how to send my print output down the wire to a doze box to print. Regards Jon Tocker ***There is no spoon*** ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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