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Yoper CD wanted
by s swami 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hi folks I've been meaning to test-drive Yoper for a while (and now it has KDE 3.3 :-) But I haven't been able to find a spot on yoper.com where I can buy a CD copy of the latest version and my 33k dial-up connection is a little shy about the bittorrent that has kindly been made available. Does someone have a CD? Happy to pay student prices :-) Cheers, Sid.

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CD issues
by Jared Wigmore 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

Hi, I regularly get the message, "hda: lost interrupt" (that's my cd drive). Additionally, it takes a long time to mount, and to access each directory/file. I'm using kernel 2.4 on RedHat 9. Any advice. ===== -- JaredWigmore -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM/CS/S d? s+++:-- a? C++++ UL++ P--- L++ E>+++ W++ N>+ o? K- w--- O? M-- V-- PS-- Y-- PGP- t+++ 5? X R* tv b++ DI D G e- h! !r z- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.wlug.org.nz/JaredWigmore http://AnswersInGenisis.org/ http://www.againsttcpa.com/ ---------------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

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Linux challenges for students from IBM
by Craig Box 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

"College and university students can make improvements to Linux, create usability tools or enhancements, or design Linux applications. The goals of the contest are to: 1. Promote student use of Linux worldwide 2. Solve real-world Linux issues-make Linux better! 3. Design or develop an application using Linux Prizes will be awarded to the top 20 entries, judged by IBM Linux personnel. These 20 students will receive an IBM ThinkPad with Linux and will also have the opportunity to qualify for one of three summer 2005 Internships at our Linux Technology Center. There will also be a University Award, one (1) Linux 16-node "start-up" cluster, given to the university who has the highest overall average from their students' entries." http://www.developer.ibm.com/university/students/contests/linux/ Craig

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Linux Laptops.
by Oliver Jones 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Recently I've been thinking about buying a laptop. I've been thinking about an Apple 17" G4 Powerbook but I figure that's just a little to far from the flock... ie, I'd have to find replacements for too much software I currently use. For serious stuff I currently use Linux (Fedora Core 1) and it's associated apps. For "play" I use Windows XP. On XP I mainly use things like DVD Decrypter, PowerDVD, etc. Media playback and storage utils basically. Occasionally I play some Windows games but I'd be happy enough with just my consoles for that. There are some things about buying a laptop that concern me. One is unsupported hardware in Linux. The others are screen size (I use a 21" CRT at the moment) and speed (current PC's is a 2.6Ghz P4s). Anyone here have any suggestions regarding desktop replacement Laptops that have very good hardware support on Linux? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] Linux Laptops.
by David Nicholls 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

mind you are you aware that mandrake do a PPC version of 9.1? for both sale and free download (i have all three ISOs if anyone wants them by the way). unsure just how good it is but it is one option also there is the opendarwin project (OS X backend for them as is iggerant ;]) - bsd based of course. once again i have an ISO i downloaded out of interest if anybody is. cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:58 am Subject: [wlug] Linux Laptops. Recently I've been thinking about buying a laptop. I've been thinking about an Apple 17" G4 Powerbook but I figure that's just a little to far from the flock... ie, I'd have to find replacements for too much software I currently use. For serious stuff I currently use Linux (Fedora Core 1) and it's associated apps. For "play" I use Windows XP. On XP I mainly use things like DVD Decrypter, PowerDVD, etc. Media playback and storage utils basically. Occasionally I play some Windows games but I'd be happy enough with just my consoles for that. There are some things about buying a laptop that concern me. One is unsupported hardware in Linux. The others are screen size (I use a 21" CRT at the moment) and speed (current PC's is a 2.6Ghz P4s). Anyone here have any suggestions regarding desktop replacement Laptops that have very good hardware support on Linux? Regards Oliver Jones

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sendmail issue
by Gavin Denby 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

I am setting up a simple sendmail replacement for an old redhat machine with a dying hard drive. I decided to use a newer distro and went to slackware. I have copied the old data from the sendmail.cf files over and everything runs well until I send a local mail from console. Instead of getting mail from user(a)domainname.com the machine name is added, and i get user(a)machinename.domainname.com Of course if you reply this gets to be a real mess. Clients accessing via pop are ok , its just local automated messages that are causing issues. I have set Dj$w.domainname.com I have commented out all classes. I added DMdomainname.com I made the start with M4, is there something I can add there that will fix this ?? I hoped Masquerade_as(domainname.com)dnl would be enough, but still the machine name appears in the mail address ... ARGHHH !!!!! I planned to add an auto mail tool, but not until this is fixed. What have I missed ??? -- "Engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." Dr A R Dykes.

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hacking your XBox - The Linux Way!. DrewBroadley (coming all the way from PalmerstonNorth) will cover Linux on an XBox, including using it as a media center. Don't miss this one! Location: CrawshawSchool Time: 7pm Doors will be open from ten to seven or so, presentation will start shortly after 7. __Topics__ How to Mod an XBOX: *Software Modifications *Hardware Modifications Xbox and Linux *Web/File/Media Server *Distros available Opensource Software and the XBOX *Xbox Media Center __Possible Extra Topics__ ''add your own suggestions''

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RE: [wlug] LINUX Servers in the SMB Workspace.
by Gund Wehsling 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

Hi Good points raised and not ones we are ignoring. To make sure we are not re-inventing the wheel, we have started a download of SuSE Standard Server 9 eval and once it is here, I will copy it and distribute it to all that are interested. In the meantime, a concensus needs to be reached as to what the server will support. I know that it would be nice to have a server that supplies all things to all people, but we feel that covering all bases may be too broad and it would be easier to sell a server solution that carries out basic although vital tasks, with ease, in such a way that the market comes to accept the solutions and products as stable and secure. For this reason and to keep things simple, we have a list of 'basics' that should be setup, standard and easy to use, troubleshoot and maintain, they are: DNS DHCP SAMBA / File and Print NETWORK SERVICES / Routing SECURITY / Firewall and authentication WEB / Proxy MAIL / IMAP and or Webmail The server design will be setup and tested as rigourisly as possible, fully documented, have a scripted install (or an aesy to follow install path that is well documented) that enables an easy setup / rebuild. The above services will become available within hours of arriving at a new site and with minimal 'tweaking / hacking'. The base idea that we don't want to lose here is that it must be easy to understand / support / install and must be reliable and stable enough that the end users start to change thier ideas about proprietry software and operating systems and the open source model is then promoted. Many of my customers are still 'fiddling' with LINUX and many of them are still concerned about what is a good desktop and what is a good word processor and I think that those discussions will go on forever until sombody realises that actual value of an installed and established system. So I am hoping we can spend time deciding on and testing and proving the best means of setting up and supplying the above services to sites that need them in a stable configuration at a fair cost in terms of resource (money or time). It has been my experience that most smaller companies will not really worry too much about what is running at the back-end and the mid to larger ones want clearly defined proceedures and best-practices before a solution can be considered, so as much as I hate paperwork, part of this project will be to supply those, as part of the bundle / solution. Now you can all start throwing chairs. Please address feedback direclty to the group unless it is trivial and please 'snip' this msg when replying. Many thanks Gund -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Fri 20/08/2004 16:50 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] LINUX Servers in the SMB Workspace. I personally think a turn key solution for SMB customers is a great idea. There are a few already out there already. The hardest thing I think you will find is defining exactly what features you solution should have. There is also a lot of work involved in making it self manageable. If you're going to offer management services as well that removes some of that integration work. Regards On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 15:10, Daniel Lawson wrote: >I will try to clarify what I asked yesterday and then we can start a chair fight. > > Excellent :) > >I am looking at starting a discussion / dialogue / knowledge transfer between all interested with the view to testing and building a single working solution that can be installed / sold to small to medium businesses. > >We (my colleagues and I) would like to build this on SuSE Server 9. At this moment, we think we have a viable product if we can all agree on what services this server will provide and how. Then, strip away the unnecessary packages and rpms till there is a 'standard' build that can easily be supported / installed. > > Ah, ok. Yes, this sounds like a good thing to work on. >I asked this becasue I wanted to get away from a discussions about desktop applications and processes and preferences and start focussing on an actual server product that can be sold or installed with the associated services. > > A wise move! >Anyhow, I hope this is not too vauge, nothing is actually written down yet, so we are starting fresh and anybody interested can join in or we can discuss it here if this forum will support that. > > As far as I'm concerned , it's fine to carry it on here, although it's trivial to move to another list if we find that it gets annoying. Daniel _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug> -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com <mailto:oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com> » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com <http://www.deeperdesign.com>

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RE: [wlug] SuSE 9.1 again
by Gund Wehsling 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

Hi Refresh my memory, what hardware are you using? Have you tried the 'safe mode' installations? Rgds Gund -----Original Message----- From: jaytee(a)clear.net.nz [mailto:jaytee(a)clear.net.nz] Sent: Sun 22/08/2004 13:24 To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Cc: Subject: [wlug] SuSE 9.1 again Hi All. After the SuSE failed to boot after a couple of install attempts I tried the Knoppix live C/D. It did not boot either and showed a page of I/O errors then locked on the Knoppix splash screen. <snip>

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(no subject)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

Hi All. After the SuSE failed to boot after a couple of install attempts I tried the Knoppix live C/D. It did not boot either and showed a page of I/O errors then locked on the Knoppix splash screen. I reinstalled SuSE again making sure that the Linux partions were formatted (yes) This time the programme did run with one error on screen. Resolution x and y not entered fonts may be affected. What do I need to do to solve that? Also the modem is not configured correctly. Stupid mode is not checked, should it be?? Regards John..

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SuSE 9.1 again
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 22 Aug '04

22 Aug '04

Hi All. After the SuSE failed to boot after a couple of install attempts I tried the Knoppix live C/D. It did not boot either and showed a page of I/O errors then locked on the Knoppix splash screen. I reinstalled SuSE again making sure that the Linux partions were formatted (yes) This time the programme did run with one error on screen. Resolution x and y not entered fonts may be affected. What do I need to do to solve that? Also the modem is not configured correctly. Stupid mode is not checked, should it be?? Regards John..

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help at school
by Terry Cole 21 Aug '04

21 Aug '04

I have at school an existing web server/Intranet (RedHat 9). This controls access to the net using Squid and Dans Guardian. I have had a Uni student as part of her final paper set up a new server using Suse 9 has a replacement. She has now completed her degree and moved on to full time employment out of town. The new server also hosts one of our domains. I would like help on configuring Squid, etc and swapping over the servers with minimal down time. Can someone on the group help me with this process? It would mean someone from Rotorua or someone who is prepared to travel across to us. We will pay you for your time, etc. Please contact me off this list, if you can help. Thanks Terry Cole Rotorua, New Zealand mailto:terry(a)cole.gen.nz http://www.cole.gen.nz http://www.websnz.com

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Re: [wlug] Suse CD install
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Hi Group, I did get a SuSE 9.1 and tried to install onto Dell cpx 500 mhz laptop with ati rage video card. The install went pretty good except no 3D, I was not allowed to change the screen resolution, eth0 and modem were not configured. Set up ran right up to intial logon then blank blue screened at the end of the linux startup routine I wonder if I am obliged to get an online update before I get Linux up?? If any one can help (in lay terms) please go right ahead. Regards John..

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all-java database gift from IBM
by s swami 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/db2/library/techarticle/dm-0408anders…

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RE: [wlug] LINUX Servers in the SMB Workspace.
by Gund Wehsling 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Hi I will try to clarify what I asked yesterday and then we can start a chair fight. I am looking at starting a discussion / dialogue / knowledge transfer between all interested with the view to testing and building a single working solution that can be installed / sold to small to medium businesses. We (my colleagues and I) would like to build this on SuSE Server 9. At this moment, we think we have a viable product if we can all agree on what services this server will provide and how. Then, strip away the unnecessary packages and rpms till there is a 'standard' build that can easily be supported / installed. I asked this becasue I wanted to get away from a discussions about desktop applications and processes and preferences and start focussing on an actual server product that can be sold or installed with the associated services. I guess. Anyhow, I hope this is not too vauge, nothing is actually written down yet, so we are starting fresh and anybody interested can join in or we can discuss it here if this forum will support that. Thanks Gund -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] Sent: Thu 19/08/2004 15:52 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] LINUX Servers in the SMB Workspace. Gund, Could you clarify what it is you are asking us to raise our hands for? I'm guessing you're asking for victi^Wvolunteers to have SuSE + SMB etc installed - is that right? Daniel > A quick raise of hands - who is interested? I can take this outside of the list if it is beyond the scope of what is being done here. Or we can start it here as if successful, there will be a demand of Linux engineers as a result so I think what we want to do will have common interest. > > Either way. At this moment, I am not interested in what is being done on the desktop for what is required here, I am looking at a basic achievable goal to start, with the possibility of desktop work later. > > We are looking at SuSE Open Server and will piggy back Novell campains and support as we go along. > > So - hands up or contact me off list. > > _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] Suse CD install
by Gund Wehsling 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Hi Had a Dell. There is a Yahoo group that specializes in Linux on Dells, search there, can't remember what exactly the URL is. They have the answers as I had the same problem. Cheers Gund -----Original Message----- From: jaytee(a)clear.net.nz [mailto:jaytee(a)clear.net.nz] Sent: Thu 19/08/2004 20:34 To: jaytee(a)clear.net.nz; Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Suse CD install Hi Group, I did get a SuSE 9.1 and tried to install onto Dell cpx 500 mhz laptop with ati rage video card. The install went pretty good except no 3D, I was not allowed to change the screen resolution, eth0 and modem were not configured. Set up ran right up to intial logon then blank blue screened at the end of the linux startup routine I wonder if I am obliged to get an online update before I get Linux up?? If any one can help (in lay terms) please go right ahead. Regards John.. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Sound mixing
by Jared Wigmore 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I have sound already (with the sb driver), and I'm running ESounD. The problem is, programs that haven't been configured to work with esd can't make sound at all while it's running. What would be the best solution? ===== -- JaredWigmore -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM/CS/S d? s+++:-- a? C++++ UL++ P--- L++ E>+++ W++ N>+ o? K- w--- O? M-- V-- PS-- Y-- PGP- t+++ 5? X R* tv b++ DI D G e- h! !r z- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.wlug.org.nz/JaredWigmore http://AnswersInGenisis.org/ http://www.againsttcpa.com/ ---------------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

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LINUX Servers in the SMB Workspace.
by Gund Wehsling 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Hi After some Linux / Novell training in Auckland a few weeks back, some of my coleagues and I have decided to get extremely serious about deploying Linux into the common market place. We are mostly NetWare engineers with a keen interest in what Novell is doing now with SuSE and it's next operating system release and we would like to take this from the shed into the workplace. A quick raise of hands - who is interested? I can take this outside of the list if it is beyond the scope of what is being done here. Or we can start it here as if successful, there will be a demand of Linux engineers as a result so I think what we want to do will have common interest. Either way. At this moment, I am not interested in what is being done on the desktop for what is required here, I am looking at a basic achievable goal to start, with the possibility of desktop work later. We are looking at SuSE Open Server and will piggy back Novell campains and support as we go along. So - hands up or contact me off list. Rgds Gund

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PLEASE READ: Committee minutes & nominations for 2004-2005 election
by Craig Box 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Hi everyone, The minutes of last nights committee meeting are now available at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2004-08-18. All WLUG members are now invited to make nominations for the WLUG committee for 2005. The charter specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. We are accepting nominations via the web page http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugElections. The conditions of nomination are: * You shouldn't nominate yourself. (If you want to stand, post a note on the bottom of the page asking for someone to nominate you.) * You can only nominate or second someone if you are currently a 2003-2004 paid up member. * You can only vote at the upcoming AGM if you were a 2003-2004 paid up member, and have signed a new membership form for 2004-2005 (remember, you have 90 days to pay.) Voting at the AGM will be using the Single Transferrable Vote system that the district health boards/councils are using, care of the open source implementation at http://stv.sourceforge.net/. If you have any queries, please post to the bottom of the page and we will attempt to clear them up quickly. Regards, Craig

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Upcoming meeting this Monday (23rd)
by John R. McPherson 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Hi everyone, since out Meeting Reminder Bot doesn't seem to be working properly yet, this is just a reminder of our monthly meeting coming up on Monday. (Remember that meetings are on the 4th Monday of the month, not the last Monday). This month's meeting will be a presentation by Drew Broadley on XBox mods/Running Linux on an XBox, and it will be held at Crawshaw School, starting at our winter start time of 7pm. Links: http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2004-08-23 http://www.wlug.org.nz/DrewBroadley http://www.wlug.org.nz/CrawshawSchool (has a map) John.

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RE: [wlug] Suitable laptop for Linux?
by Gund Wehsling 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Have A10, ditto. Would rather have my old Dell back. However, in defence of A10, SuSE 9.1 did pick up every piece of hardware, including modem. However, no serial ports or PS/2 is a problem for me and what I do during the day. Speakers are horrid. DVD is only 2x writer (45mins for 4.5GB disc) 16x CDR. It also came bundled with WinXP Pro. I did get this one for free though, but I sometimes wonder. Like Denise, I had to buy a mouse, USB to Serial converter, external speakers etc.... If it covers your bases then buy it. It does not work for me though. -----Original Message----- From: Denise Bates [mailto:dbates(a)iconz.co.nz] Sent: Wed 18/08/2004 18:14 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Suitable laptop for Linux? On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:50, Gavin Denby wrote: > I saw in a flyer from warehouse stationery that they have a Toshiba A10 > with Intel integrated graphics and celeron 2.2 > > Price is about 1500 so in budget. but that includes MS tax. > > Intel tend to be good at linux support nowadays > > worth a look if you dont have one yet I bought one a couple of months ago and have installed Mandrake 10.0 on it. Most things were detected during installation and worked well. Sound, Video, and CD-writer needed no fiddling to speak of. The speakers are pathetic, and the touch-pad is quite useless! As useful as an on-board mouse can be on occasions, I replaced it with an external USB wheelmouse immediately (it has no PS2 port). The internal 56k modem didn't work (I didn't really expect it to). I selected this model because it had a PCMCIA slot, so I could fit a proper modem, rather than wrestle with a winmodem. As much as I would have preferred to buy a Windoze-free laptop, the only other readily-available candidate (from DSE) didn't have PCMCIA, and at the time, the prices were comparable. I removed the internal modem (an easy job) just in case it caused problems. The Toshiba A10 does have a couple of shortcomings. It has no serial or parallel ports, and it doesn't have a floppy drive either. I managed to get a parallel printer to work with a USB-to-serial/parallel adapter from DSE, but it was something of a battle. Last week, I bought a Epson CX3100 multifunction thingee, and it works perfectly with minimal fiddling: Printer, Scanner, and Copier! Another minor irritation is that the PCMCIA slot seems to have almost no "grip" to the card which is inserted. Even a small tug, applied to disconnect the modem cable, pulls out the card itself. No floppy, ports, useable mouse-substitute, or working modem! When you buy all the "extras" that should be standard it isn't much of a bargain. -- regards, ********************************************* Dr Denise J. Bates, PhD School of Geography & Environmental Science University of Auckland Private Bag 92019, Auckland New Zealand E-mail: d.bates(a)auckland.ac.nz Telephone 09-3737599 ext 86592 Home: 09-2336433 email: dbates(a)iconz.co.nz ********************************************* _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Suitable laptop for Linux?
by Jonathan Purvis 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

My iMac has finally died (instead of booting when switched on, it makes a high-pitched noise and a burning smell), so i'm going to have to buy a new computer. I'm thinking of purchasing a laptop. I'd like one that works with Linux, preferably doesn't come with a bundled version of Microsoft Windows and is under $2000. Other than the ECS A531 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/A531Laptop) are there others that meet my criteria? Is the A531 a good laptop to buy? All i'll be doing is writing programs, web browsing, emulating calculators and playing DVDs (so video is useful too). CPU speed isn't really a factor, anyone who knows me will tell you that i seem to stay away from fast computers. ;) Thanks, Jon

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Cyrus21 Help...
by Lindsay Druett 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

I have a Cyrus21 imap/pop3 server which is getting emails alright, you can create subfolders and shift email around, but you put emails into sent items... With Outlook Express, which is what *the customer* is using, you get this error... Some of the messages in your Outbox Folder could not be copied to your Sent Items Folder. Your message could not be uploaded to the IMAP server. The server refused to accept it. Subject 'Fw: Cron <amavis-stats(a)celaeno> [ -x /usr/sbin/amavis-stats ] && /usr/sbin/amavis-stats /var/log/mail.info', Account: 'Lindsay Druett', Server: 'mail.gateway-net.com', Protocol: IMAP, Server Response: 'Permission denied', Port: 143, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCCD2 With Mozilla, whihc is what *I* use, you get a similar error. Any ideas ? BTW - It is using sieve, and there is LDAP involved... -- Lindsay Druett lindsay(a)wired.net.nz http://www.wired.net.nz Everyone in New Zealand should have a choice of which phone company and/or high speed broadband Internet Service Provider they use. http://www.LLU.wired.net.nz

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Annual General Meeting, 13 Sep
by Craig Box 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter, I would like to formally announce that the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting on Monday, 13 September, 2004, at 7pm, at the Crawshaw School Hall (the same location as the Installfest.) As our financial year ends on 31 August, please note that membership "ends" on this date and 2005 membership dues will be collected starting at the AGM. Voting rights at the AGM are granted to "those people who were paid members in the previous financial year and who have signed a membership form for the next financial year". Regards, Craig

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Next Metting: XBOX & Linux ...
by Drew Broadley 05 Aug '04

05 Aug '04

So, I just want to find out to whom is going to come what you would like to find out in addition to the following: How to Mod an XBOX: Brief. (Software and Hardware) Xbox and Linux Web/File/Media Server Distros Opensource Software and the XBOX Xbox Media Center + more Feel free to suggest any more then the following if you wish for myself to give a brief but informative rundown Cheers, Drew Broadley

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connection to a router
by John 05 Aug '04

05 Aug '04

A bit of advice please. I have an IHUG wireless connection which I can get working fine when I plug the connection straight into my Ethernet card and use an ADSL connection. However, I have a netgear router which I am using between my computers and the net. When I try and set up a network connection with this, I am choosing "Ethernet connection" - it recognises the card but when I try and activate it says 3c501 device does not seem to be present. How do I go about setting my computer up to speak to my router? Cheers John

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Fedora CDs Request
by Mark Grimshaw 31 Jul '04

31 Jul '04

Hi all, Is anyone able to supply Fedora CDs? Ideally at the university so I can pick them up tomorrow. If so, give me a room number, time to be there and no. CDs to replace. Thanks. Mark Grimshaw.

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GRUB woes
by Mark Grimshaw 31 Jul '04

31 Jul '04

Hi all, I recently upgraded hardware (m'board, CPU, video, RAM etc.) on the system that I've been using dual/boot/GRUB (W2K and, recently RH9) for the last 2 years. Knowing I would have to reinstall the OSs, I installed W2K first then RH9. Unfortunately, I seem to have misplaced GRUB and the system simply goes straight to the W2K boot up. With RH9 installations, I've never been able to make a floppy at the end of the install process (seems to be either a RH9 'feature' or the kernel is too large for the floppy) but have always made the boot floppy from within linux. So, I'm unable to boot linux from this imaginary floppy. My previous RH9 boot floppy clearly has the wrong kernel for the new hardware and I can't load that (both boot floppies I have). I've lost count of the number of times I've reinstalled RH9 in the last few days or chosen the upgrade option from the CD each time trying some different combination of boot loader (including trying to go back to LILO). I've even tried sticking GRUB and LILO on the MBR rather than the boot partition. I have Tom's rtboot and a GRUB floppy both of which run. From these, including the RH9/boot CD/linux rescue option, I've tried grub-install options and grub commandline (root (hd1,0); setup (hd1)) options - each time I get an installed successfully message but each boot, up comes Windows. I have two HDs: W2K (inc. linux swap) on hda LINUX: /dev/hdb3 / /dev/hdb1 /boot I know most HOWTOs state that the linux boot should be on the same hard drive as the windows OS but these are the partitions I've been successfully dual-booting from with GRUB for the past 2 years. I have no more hair left to tear out - please help. Mark.

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This install howto is Literally from hell
by Gavin Denby 30 Jul '04

30 Jul '04

Just in case you have a had a day as stress filled as mine and need a chuckle, and assuming you can get your hands on a mac http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml After all it does take a special kind of geek to get linux running on a dead badger. Have a surreal day

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RE: [wlug] This install howto is Literally from hell
by Lindsay Druett 30 Jul '04

30 Jul '04

Well, this is definitely food for discussion with audiophiles around the place, especially musso's... But firstly cooling is not an issue anymore where some ATX P4 cases come provisioned for up to six fans, maybe more, and fans are $ 10.00 each from PB Tech. For the see through cases with neon lights, LEDs, etc, etc, etc, you now have the glow... But the reality, and this appeals to me, is that the sound output is a lot mellower, even harmonics, and a better quality sound all round, especially at the lower end of the sound spectrum. I found eight models of A-Open motherboards with the "TubeSound" feature. It also depends what you are hooking into. If it was my Yamaha amp for home theatre, then nah - I want Dolby Digital/DTS input for the 5.1 (6 Channel) input. But for the NAD setup with two channel listening, then that would be just awesome... Just my some thoughts.... Good find Bruce... > -----Original Message----- > From: zcat [mailto:zcat(a)wired.net.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2004 23:41 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] This install howto is Literally from hell > > > I've never really understood what's remotely funny about that page. > > OTOH, this > (http://english.aopen.com.tw/products/mb/ax4b-533tube.htm) is > funny. And apparently real. > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [wlug] The Burning Desktop issue.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

PHEW! Did I ask a question? So I should not ask about different distibutions I guess. Thanks for the opinions all, I will try to sort out the information. Regards John.. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > The simple answer is Gavin, you know nothing about > computers and you are stuck in front of the computer and > told to view a web page, does the desktop lend itself to > making it shit easy to launch a browser? > > Is the desktop intuitive? if it needs to much thought to > figure it out, its not a good desktop. > > Will it adapt? and is it simple to adapt? > > Will it support non visual forms of I/O? > > If it needs a super computer to execute then it is not a > good desktop, so is it scale-able? > > KISS! > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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The Burning Desktop issue.
by Gavin Denby 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

As I come to the end of my Live CD evaluations, (Yours left today Oliver, sorry it took so long) I have found myself asking a really interesting question of what makes a good desktop. Naturally the best answer is "one that does what the user wants it to do." the problem is what does the average desktop user want to do ? In a sort of applied way, I used to sell cellphones, and people would come in and ask for a good deal on a cellphone, and the traditional sales role was here is model on special for ... model B if you more features. I alway started with the question, what are you wanting to do with it who will be using it, and how many calls will it receive and make. then I cold tailor the best package for the user, I also sold the most car and truck phones (installed) of any rep, and had a strong business clientelle. They needed tools, not cheep phones. Later I would get people asking my advice on buying a laptop, my question was the same, what do you want to do with it, where do you plan to use it, is battery life or speed and graphics your goal. PC's are flexible tools, My father in law's pc is used for genealogy, writes document files, e-mail and Internet and plays solitaire. My wifes sister, surfs the net and uses chat software, while her son plays games and only games. My wife does spreadsheets, makes sewing graphics for her janome, so she users her scanner, downloads images/video her digital camera and firewire camcorder and makes movies with this, she also also creates musical soundtracks with live instruments, writes music scores and of course also uses it for e-mail and web surfing. of course it all need printing. I hack software (with permission of course) develop electronic circuits, generate code for Microcontrollers, write manuals, test software , re-write manuals keep track of work flow, run a bug track system, manage servers, mange remote systems by short life dial up connections. Update my ipaq and handle huge amounts of e-mail including tech support. A lot of printing, a little video and very really some scanning. Oh and I move around a lot , so I am wireless. My son plays games ...... oh yeah, he surfs the net to get patches for his games too ......... Nah thats it he plays Games. So what is an average user ??? ..... Maybe someone who can use and average desktop. Circular logic ??? Maybe thats why there is so much of a problem with deciding on a desktop distro. so here is my take based on a newbie with a first PC. E-Mail with an easy to set up pop client Web Browser with Flash, shockwave and Java either installed, or easy to do so. Document writer that can output a word document (possibly powerpoint if you are a student... they always ask for this) IM Client AOL and MSN IRC software P2P software, (I hate it ...but lets be real) Easy to setup dial up to an isp or Basic adsl options. (get a router ... Grrrrr ) Printer support Basic games (solitaire) Digital Camera support Play Music CD's Play MP3's An easy to use volume control. The ability to find and install software that suits their interests .. E.G genealogy software, and preferably with a description of what the software will do. Access to help and/or support forums that are easy to use. A Simple guide to getting started. An Instruction Manual .. so they can loose it before anyone reads it. Let me know if I missed anything obvious that would be a must have. but based on this, any of the distros commented on here would do this, and do it well. so at the end of the day it comes down to the user experience, and the general feel of the interface. Naturally Windows users will look for familiarity in the interface, Mac users aren't so fussy but have their own likes and dislikes. Linux users will just modify it to what they want. Boot time matters a little, as most users shut the machine down, and run it up when they want to use it, but the responsiveness of the desktop probably matters more, it should have a nice snappy feel. The biggest issue will be what happens when our newbie plugs his/her digital camera in, will it work? is it hard to use. Trust me .. command line will really cause an issue here. Then it will be adding some new software. I've already said what I plan to test so far, And I have added cobind to the mix as it seemed to be a suitable candidate for a fedora desktop. But its hard to come up with really objective test methodologies as I would have to know what an average user is ... and here we go again .... -- "Engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." Dr A R Dykes.

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RE: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

I had a look at the review on this distro, From what I read, it seems ideal for a newbie.The only negative comments I found was that dvd movie play can be a real hassle to set up.. Boot time is a little longer than some other distros but that is not really so important is it? If anyone has got this distro installed I would like to see some opinion/critique, also if you are a new user or a seasoned Linuxer. Regards John.. > > Hey Gund, > > I loaded SuSE onto my desktop here at Uni. > What an awesome distro... > Very easy to load up. Thanks again. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gund Wehsling > > [mailto:Gund.Wehsling(a)computerland.co.nz] Sent: > > Thursday, 22 July 2004 13:09 To: Waikato Linux Users > > Group Subject: RE: [wlug] Suse Live CD > > > > > > Hi > > > > I am in Collingwood street and have good copies of both > > the live 9.1 and > > personal 9.1 install. > > > > I am quite busy during the day, but will make copies on > > a swap for a blank basis. Mail me off list for contact > > details and when and where. > > Rgds > > > > > > > > Gund > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wayne Rooney [mailto:wrooney(a)ihug.co.nz] > > Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 1:27 a.m. > > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > > Subject: Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD > > > > > > >finally got the iso, but its bad > > > > >redownoading but at least tomorrow before its here , so > > if anyone else > > has it ...... > > > > A tip for the future. If you've got a bad iso, find an > > rsync mirror and > > use > > rsync to repair it. Much quicker that re-downloading an > > entire iso. > > Wayne > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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SuSE and Novell
by Gund Wehsling 26 Jul '04

26 Jul '04

Hi There have been some comments about SuSE in the last day or two and here is what I can tell you from a Novell point of view and I hope this will shed some light. Most of this is from reading between the lines. I am no LINUX pro either, I am a NetWare specialist (although novell had better ideas than to employ me), though I am following Novell through this "very difficult period" ;-) SuSE 9.1 personal is designed for home users who want to send and recieve mail, use thier printers, scanners, see the internet and write the odd spreadsheet and letter. That is why it is so simple and installs easily off one disc with no fuss. It is slow to start compared to other distros, but you will notice the kernel is about 1.8MB (on my machine) and for this reason it also auto detects nicely and the 'home' components work well for most machines. If you wanted to be a power user or compile your own kernel, perhaps 9.1 Pro is for you. I see that Novell now offers this as a free FTP install from thier site, something SuSE never did. If you want a server, then Novell recommends you use SuSE server 8.0, another free download, although limited time (90 day). I have been told it will cost about $650 per server (not per processor) to license. It is really, really easy to install and setup and really easy to integrate into other products. Example would be the demo I went to installed Standard edition, then eDirectory, then migrated users from Win/NetWare, setup Samba, in less than two hours, from blank hardware, the users where able to sign in and get to thier home directories. Obviously the copying of thier data will take longer. eDirectory is free too! I would like to step out and make an observation here that may cause the throwing of some chairs, but please bear with me. I would like to stress the importance of SuSE, perhaps not as the next big technological be all for everybody, but as the bleeding edge of a business model so many open source people have hoped for for a long time now. Novell is a large commercial concern and they are possible putting more than everything into the development and distribution of this OS than has been done before. Perhaps it is not the best distro there for you, but they are working in a commercial field now, so demographics and averages play a big part here. It is not likely to be the most powerful desktop in the market and it may have proprietry or non-compatible elements to what you are used to, but that is what change is about. Something new is good, even if it is something challenging or different. Please understand that Novell has large overheads (apart fom marketing open source software), so they cannot exist by giving away free software that meets all the needs and requirements of everybody and open source licensing prevents them from completely modifying everything. So, to generate income, they have produced products like NLS and ported most of thier existing application to LINUX. This creates not only viable and sustainable business migration paths, but also show big business that it is possible to do everything they need for less, better, with a well established and reliable software/server vendor. There is a state of mind in big business that free software fails and is dificult to support. Novell is working really hard to disspell this. If you are in the integrator market, you will see that Novell is handing out heaps of free training and publicity to push this. Try it thoroughly before you knock it, if it is not for you, then try something else. This is where I will be though. Throw your chairs. I have a copy of SuSE 8.0 limited time server if you are interested in showing your customer something new. I can make copies, over the weekends only though. Have fun and go easy when you flame me, I am new here. gund

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction to Linux and Network Security. A fairly high-level discussion of various aspects of security, looking at topics such as: * Firewalls * Network Address Translation ([NAT]) * De-militirized zones ([DMZ]s) * Virtual Private Networks ([VPN]s) and [IPSec] * Secure Sockets Layer ([SSL]) Location: CrawshawSchool Time: 7pm Doors will be open from ten to seven or so, presentation will start shortly after 7.

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Peer to peer?
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

I was hoping to get a file sharing program then Try Gnutella for some mpeg/ogg files. What application should I use for this and can I "yum install <nameofapp>" and join the file share deal? Regards John

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Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD let me down, so I seek a better desktop.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

Thank you for explaining kvm. My interest is mainly in the hard drive install, I have a live c/d version of Knoppix. Regards John.. > KVM is Keyboard Video Mouse switching > > It allows me to have 2 PC's working on the same monitor > and keyboard, they worked fine, but it missed the mouse. > I have seen that before too. > > Also I only looked at the live CD whie the other report > was a 9.1 hard drive install, a whole different CD. > > I will be installing it later. _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD let me down, so I seek a better desktop.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

I look forward to the results being posted with much interest ----- Original Message Follows ----- > I'm playing with a number of distros as I want to find an > ideal little distro that is as easy as pie for a newbie. This is what I am looking for also.. > I tried the live CD, and ... how do i say it nicely. .... > not a pretty experience, 2 machines wouldn't even boot to > X, and the third did but no mouse, (I think the KVM > switch might have upset something,) I wonder why in the space of a posting the o/s goes from awesome (lindsay) to the result that you found. I have no idea what the "kvm" switch is or does. Regards John.. > >>I loaded SuSE onto my desktop here at Uni. > >>What an awesome distro... > >>Very easy to load up. Thanks again. > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 24 Jul '04

24 Jul '04

Thanks Aristotle, I did read that page prior to writing and note the comments. I was however hoping they were a little out of date and/or some more people had become interested in ver 9.1 as the thread implied. Regards John > See http://www.wlug.org.nz/Suse which is mostly my doing. > > Regards, > -- > Aristotle > "If you can't laugh at yourself, you don't take life > seriously enough." > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by Lindsay Druett 23 Jul '04

23 Jul '04

Hey Gund, I loaded SuSE onto my desktop here at Uni. What an awesome distro... Very easy to load up. Thanks again. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gund Wehsling [mailto:Gund.Wehsling(a)computerland.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 13:09 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: RE: [wlug] Suse Live CD > > > Hi > > I am in Collingwood street and have good copies of both the > live 9.1 and > personal 9.1 install. > > I am quite busy during the day, but will make copies on a swap for a > blank basis. Mail me off list for contact details and when and where. > > Rgds > > > > Gund > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Rooney [mailto:wrooney(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 1:27 a.m. > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD > > > >finally got the iso, but its bad > > >redownoading but at least tomorrow before its here , so if > anyone else > has it ...... > > A tip for the future. If you've got a bad iso, find an rsync > mirror and > use > rsync to repair it. Much quicker that re-downloading an entire iso. > > Wayne > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction to Linux and Network Security. A fairly high-level discussion of various aspects of security, looking at topics such as: * Firewalls * Network Address Translation ([NAT]) * De-militirized zones ([DMZ]s) * Virtual Private Networks ([VPN]s) and [IPSec] * Secure Sockets Layer ([SSL]) Location: CrawshawSchool Time: 7pm Doors will be open from ten to seven or so, presentation will start shortly after 7.

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RE: [wlug] Re: @jetstreamgames.co.nz
by Chris Day 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

>>I got model XH7916 with software version Rel9v3. Is it worth it to upgrade to >>a later version? Hi Felix. The short answer is yes. As a similar question has been raised in the NZADSL Mailing list, and as the question is more ADSL related than Linux, I'll post the specific advantages there for all to see. Regards, Chris...

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RE: [wlug] Re: @jetstreamgames.co.nz
by Ross Hamblin 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

But don't forget to write down your current settings first :) Ross Hamblin DSE (NZ) Ltd. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Day > Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:47 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: RE: [wlug] Re: @jetstreamgames.co.nz > > > The latest firmware (Rel9v4 & Rel9v5) defaults DSE ADSL > Routers (XH79156, XH1149 & XH1169) to log on to > Jetstreamgames by default. If you are using one of these > firmware versions, simply choose the 'restore factory > settings' option. > Regards, Chis Day - DSE(NZ)Ltd. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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RE: [wlug] Re: @jetstreamgames.co.nz
by Chris Day 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

The latest firmware (Rel9v4 & Rel9v5) defaults DSE ADSL Routers (XH79156, XH1149 & XH1169) to log on to Jetstreamgames by default. If you are using one of these firmware versions, simply choose the 'restore factory settings' option. Regards, Chis Day - DSE(NZ)Ltd.

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RE: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by Gund Wehsling 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Hi I am in Collingwood street and have good copies of both the live 9.1 and personal 9.1 install. I am quite busy during the day, but will make copies on a swap for a blank basis. Mail me off list for contact details and when and where. Rgds Gund -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Rooney [mailto:wrooney(a)ihug.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 1:27 a.m. To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD >finally got the iso, but its bad >redownoading but at least tomorrow before its here , so if anyone else has it ...... A tip for the future. If you've got a bad iso, find an rsync mirror and use rsync to repair it. Much quicker that re-downloading an entire iso. Wayne _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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SCO flops in DaimlerChrysler Unix lawsuit
by Gavin Denby 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

Breaking news. In a hearing Wednesday, Judge Rae Lee Chabot of Oakland County Circuit Court in Michigan granted most of DaimlerChrysler's motion to dismiss the case, SCO and DaimlerChrysler representatives said. The loss doesn't set a precedent, but it does make it harder for SCO to pursue its overall case, said Mark Radcliffe <http://dw.com.com/redir?destUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gcwf.com%2Fgcc%2FGrayCary-…>, an intellectual-property attorney at Gray Cary. "The more that SCO is unsuccessful in its claims, the more it decreases their ability to go out and use the threat of litigation to obtain settlements," he said. "It diminishes their credibility." Full story at: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5278572.html But I still ask .. "What credibility did SCO ever have in these cases? I guess the dominoes will start to fall now, so we will all be able to get back to what we do well...... Oh thats right, we never really stopped anyway did we. -- "Engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." Dr A R Dykes - 2003

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Network Problem (SuSE 9.1)
by Felix Hohener 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

I have just installed SuSE for the first time, including the firewall. The computer is connected to a small home network with 3 other Windows machines. I am trying to access the Windows machines, however, I get the error message "unable to find any workgroups". I can ping the machines and print via the the Windows machine. If I turn the firewall off, I can browse the network. If I turn the firewall on again after doing the browse, I am still able to access the Windows machines on the network. What do I need to change, so it sees the network without having to go through turning off/on the firewall each time I boot up? Thanks --- Felix

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Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by Wayne Rooney 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

>finally got the iso, but its bad >redownoading but at least tomorrow before its here , so if anyone else has it ...... A tip for the future. If you've got a bad iso, find an rsync mirror and use rsync to repair it. Much quicker that re-downloading an entire iso. Wayne

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Committee meeting minutes
by Craig Box 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

Hi everyone, Another month, another committee meeting; to check we're all worthy of re-election in the upcoming (September) AGM, check out the minutes at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2004-07-21. Also, I've wikied Gavin's summary of the DSE computer expo at http://www.wlug.org.nz/DickSmithElectronicsComputerExpo. Regards, Secretary Reminder Bot

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DSE powerhouse - Read the Book, Saw the Movie, Got the T-Shirt
by Gavin Denby 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

May I offer my hearty congratulations to all those who both helped out and those who popped in and said hi, hundreds of Open Office CD's as well as Knoppix /morphix CD's were given away, Many people had a first look at open source, and Hundreds of WLUG brochures were taken by interested people. DSE staff tell me they had a really good weekend with PC sales, and the response from staff was that it went well and they felt positive about doing something like it again. (They Had some good specials so I dont think we get the credit for this) Sunday saw Bruce bring in the OS Revolution video which was played on a PC in store, It got a lot of interest, and helped us move CD's and flyers. Also Bruce and family set up some addictive games and got the kids playing, as a result there will be a lot of new frozen bubble players wanting to boot up linux for another game. I found people very responsive, and pleased to know that there was some choice in NZ, they were also very keen to realize that Kiwi's were involved in Linux and Open Source projects, and that we had a group here in the Waikato. It was a very pleasant way to spend a day. A lot of people also were very interested in the more technical aspects of linux, and what it could do, and some with older PC's were pleased to learn of projects such as Feather and other minimal Linux's for their boxes. We also discussed hardware, and what would work best in a linux/windows PC. Staff asked us to assist with questions, and seemed happy to have our experience and independence there for customers to bounce ideas off. In short, if there was a PC question on Linux, we probably heard it. Great work team. We showed the best face to the community, and came across well. You earned your shirts, wear them with pride. Thanks also to Chris and Ross from DSE for allowing us to be involved, we hope that DSE and their Customers got as much from the weekend as we did. Also well done Daniel and the rest of the committee for organizing all this and making is flow for those of us who did a shift. I'm going to bed now with a new respect for those in retail who are on their feet all day, and spend all day trying to help people with their problems. Again well done to all who gave up time to help out. Look out for new sign ups to the mail list.

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Suse Live CD
by Oliver Jones 21 Jul '04

21 Jul '04

Howdy Guys I've always wanted to have a look at SuSE but don't have too much time to frig around installing it etc so the Live CD version looks like the ideal plaything. Anyone got a copy of this? I'd rather not give Telecom more money than it deserves and on business ADSL they really ask us to bend over. So if someone is willing to send me a copy I would be most appreciative. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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FW: [wlug] Linux Distro comments
by Chris Day 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

I'm working on over 30 new products on for the retail channel. We are just working on a RealTek Gigabit PCI NIC. Plugged it into a box with FC2 loaded and spent another 15~20 min getting FC2 to work with the card. Its a multiboot desktop - so tried MDK 10 & MDK 9.2 - they both detected the card and autoconfigured it. My point is not how we went about it or other technical things to do with various distro's. We look at things from a consumers point of view - have to, we get the calls when it doesn't work. Mandrake will, 8 times out of 10, work with many of the products that just should work with Linux. Actually, Knoppix is pretty good also - between the 2 of them, we can generally get most of the tings that should work, to go. To put it another way, if I have to spend the companies money on development in getting a device going with a distro, I'll chose the latest edition of Mandrake knowing that we will also be able to get it working with Knoppix once we have nailed MDK. My 2c Regards, Chris...

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FW: MYOB Accounting Package Registration
by lindsay 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

Come on gang... Surely there's someone else who uses MYOB... Let's make the market big enough to justify a Linux release... -----Original Message----- From: Jamie_Macintosh(a)myob.co.nz [mailto:Jamie_Macintosh(a)myob.co.nz] On Behalf Of sales(a)myob.co.nz Sent: Monday, 19 July 2004 15:26 To: Lindsay Druett Subject: Re: MYOB Accounting Package Registration Hi Lindsay As fare as I'm aware there are no plans to make the product work on a linux based system, Unfortunately there is just not a big enough market to justify a linux release. Thank you, Kind regards, MYOB Sales Advice Phone: 0800 60 69 62 Fax: 0800 94 96 96 Email: sales(a)myob.co.nz http://www.myob.co.nz Lindsay Druett <lindsay(a)wired.net.nz> 16/07/2004 09:36 p.m. To: sales(a)myob.co.nz cc: Subject: Re: MYOB Accounting Package Registration Another question... Is there any plans to develop MYOB so that it runs on a Linux platform (using X-Windows such as KDE, Gnome, etc) as well as Microsoft Windows ? sales(a)myob.co.nz wrote: > > Dear Lindsay > > Thanks for your email, > > We are very sorry for the inconvenience and we are working on the > website issues regarding registrations, I however will forward this on > to the appropriate persons. > > Thank you for your insite, > > Kind regards, > MYOB Sales Advice > Phone: 0800 60 69 62 > Fax: 0800 94 96 96 > Email: sales(a)myob.co.nz > http://www.myob.co.nz > > > > > >

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Re: Re: [Fwd: [wlug] Yoper V2 final released]
by Stephen Pearce 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

Sorry to bother you again, Could I send my Hamilton mate around to you to pick up that modem and the Yoper cd please .. if so .. what phone number and/or address shall I give him? Thanks Stephen > > From: Gavin Denby <redhat(a)ihug.co.nz> > Date: 2004/07/15 Thu PM 10:01:46 GMT+12:00 > To: pearce(a)ieee.org, > Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [wlug] Yoper V2 final released] > > Pulling it now from the nz website > > should be here in a couple of hours. > > I'll be onsite at dse in hamilton on sunday 10-4. if you wanted to pick > it up. saves postage > > > > Stephen Pearce wrote: > > Has anyone downloaded this to cd .. > > I recently tried to down load from the nz web site > > but was unsuccessful .. possibly due to internal > > problems from the site I was trying to dl from .. > > is there anyone who would make me a copy .. I pay/ > > refund media and postage costs > > tnx > > Stephen > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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RE: [wlug] DSE powerhouse - Read the Book, Saw the Movie, Got theT-Shirt
by Gund Wehsling 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

Hi For home users who are not LINUX friendly or technical, I would like to highly recommend SUSE 9.1 Personal. Single CD install, detects all my 'funny' hardware at home, no complicated install Q's, has simple desktop with a browser, mail client, OOo. Can be mistaken for XP by the untrained eye. My apologies if this has been covered before, I am new to this list. It is a free download from www.novell.com. Just my 0.02c -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 19 July 2004 1:13 p.m. To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] DSE powerhouse - Read the Book, Saw the Movie, Got theT-Shirt Update to my last. I popped into DSE today to sort out some final bits, and on the way home called in to the PC company, they are selling off a lot of old stock and new machines, bit all are OS free, Apparently, many people object to paying the $150.00 tax to Microsoft when all they want to do surf the net,e-mail and type the odd letter. Many are asking about linux, we discussed the usual modem issues, but as they can get and sell some cheep serial modem to overcome this I think there may be plan developing. Anyway I am dropping off some copies of the WLUG brochure, and taking some distros in, and we will look at the possibility of me preloading some machines for them. I am thinking Knoppix for testing devices, mandrake for new users (lots of software) I wonder about fedora, and maybe Xandros community as these will show up at lug meetings looking for a ... how do I .... ??? I also would consider Yoper/CollegeLinux /Debian .. in fact anything that will work as long as the support is there either from the wider community or the LUG, but I suspect many people will want to bring these to a lug meeting, rather than use a forum, at least at the beginning. I know we just did an installfest, so what was the experience, and what would be a good distro for a new user, if the Lug is to offer support. Its the last part ... Helping the new user, that is of most concern. I pushed WLUG as an issue, since there will be a learning curve. I would appreciate helpful comments here, but the tide is turning, and people are looking for a Linux for their home PC. Its time to see if We are ready to step up to the Plate. This is not an excuse for a distro war, rather a chance to say what we can help new users with. Gavin Denby wrote: > May I offer my hearty congratulations to all those who both helped out > and those who popped in and said hi, hundreds of Open Office CD's as > well as Knoppix /morphix CD's were given away, Many people had a first > look at open source, and Hundreds of WLUG brochures were taken by > interested people. > > _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Linux Distro comments
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

I made the micro$ comment in ignorance. My apologies. Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > * Greig McGill <greig(a)hamiltron.net> [2004-07-19 12:34]: > > Please quit with the "MickeySoft" and micro$oft. > > We are a group who lists advocacy as one of its goals. > > Good advocates do not descend to name calling. > > Thank you for saying it.

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Re: [wlug] DSE powerhouse - Read the Book, Saw the Movie, Got the T-Shirt
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

Hi All, Might as well add my own views. The first Linux I started was Mandrake 9.2 It nearly installed properly on the fourth install (due to user incompetence) I liked what The programme did but found it difficult to find information that I could relate to when I needed to install or amend some thing. Shortly after I went to the install fest and installed the fedora core 1 system. This was frought with problems even the people at the meeting were not able to resolve all the issues so I waited for Fedora core 2 Which is now installed. I think that if I was not so determined to eventually figure this out (even if I do have to nag you guys to death :)) I would have returned to the micro$ fold by now. However I am still dual booting windows/fedora The problem I see is that of dumbing down linux will attract even more dopey sods like myself So you need to be able to have a simple programme that can be supported by most of you... ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Jonathan Purvis wrote: > > > I'd recommend against new users running Debian (dispite > > my running in at work and home) for the following > reasons: > > > * Unstable is unstable[1] and stable is very out of > date at the moment > > > * X configuration is horrible/non-existant > > * If you forget to load the module for your network > > card early on in the installer, it won't ask you for > > network configuration and you'll have to spend half an > > hour hunting down the required configuration files * > dselect lets you remove dpkg > > I'd tend to agree with these points, I personally run > debian and and had forgotten these things as stuff long > gone but from a new user these are quite possibly > relative points. > > That being said some of these points may not be such an > issue on a pre-installed machine > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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DSE powerhouse - A huge thank you to all
by Chris Day 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

On behalf of DSE(NZ)Ltd, I wish to express our appreciation to those who participated in the recent DSE Powerhouse weekend. Our goal was to provide consumers (and staff) with an overview of what GNU/OpenSource is all about. Despite the lack of forward advise and some planning on our part, I believe this was a job well done by the participants and all those others who offered online support & advise - it is really great to see such enthusiasm. From our perspective, the demand for software like GNU/Linux & OpenOffice is building steadily and it really is great to see community involvement like this. We wish you all the best in your future endeavors and are here to offer assistance where we can. Kind regards, Chris Day Senior Buyer DSE(NZ)Ltd

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Speed Comparison between 23 distros
by Andreas Girardet 17 Jul '04

17 Jul '04

Hello fellow NZLinuxers Here a post of the results of the comparison between 23 distros on speed and many more categories. http://www.yoper.com/forum2/index.php?showtopic=953 Here a little ranking http://www.yoper.com/comparison/desktopcomparison.html Hope you'll enjoy it. Cheers Andreas

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Re: DSE Powerhouse this weekend.
by Gavin Denby 16 Jul '04

16 Jul '04

For those helping at the powerhouse, and those who will be popping in to save some money or just chat. For those that gave me shirt sizes, I have some good news. Barring a major catastrophe, we will have some shirts tomorrow, In spite of the limited time, My wife has made a very neat Embroidered Silver, Black and Yellow/Orange Tux and beneath that the letters WLUG in large friendly black cotton. She would have liked more time to improve the stitching, but it works anyway IMHO. The shirt is a polo (collared) Grey in colour and should go with anything you wear. (also it was the only suitable shirt the warehouse had, and I'm cheep, so sue me. For those that didn't give me a size we have one large and one medium size extra, But there are only 5 shirts in total, so If you missed the roster, you missed the boat I have a darker Grey shirt with the same stitching, so we should make it. and look darn close to a team. I'm sure DSE will have a place for us to change shirts. I'll drop off a box tomorrow AM, first thing, so we can have them on site. ... And one last thing, can we have camera's there too, this should definitely be posted to the wiki and there should be some nice photos of Lug members working with the public. See you all over the next 2 days. .. SO GET SOME REST !!! John R. McPherson wrote: >On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 06:00:16PM +1200, Daniel Lawson wrote: > > >>So, here's the current roster, as I have it >> >> >> >>>Daniel Sat 10 - 1 >>>Matt Sat 12 - 4 >>>Perry Sat 11 - 4 >>>Gavin Sun 10 - 4 >>>John sometime on Sunday ? >>>Bruce Sun 12 - 4 >>> >>> > >Ok, in that case I'll go down on Sunday just before 10 to keep Gavin >company :) I'll stay until it's not busy, or Gavin and Bruce get >sick of me. > > > >>DSE have printed off ~400 or 800 copies of the attached doc. >> >> > >heh, that sounds like a lot! Oh well... > >John > >

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[Fwd: [wlug] Yoper V2 final released]
by Stephen Pearce 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

Has anyone downloaded this to cd .. I recently tried to down load from the nz web site but was unsuccessful .. possibly due to internal problems from the site I was trying to dl from .. is there anyone who would make me a copy .. I pay/ refund media and postage costs tnx Stephen

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FW: [NZOSS-OpenChat] WLUG / NZOSS support for DSE Hamilton Powerhouse Computer Weekend
by Ross Hamblin 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

Further to my message below, we are trying to get an idea of numbers who will be assisting, is it possible to get a list of those intending to attend over the weekend? Alternatively, could those who will be attending mail me off-list and advise which days and times you are planning to be there, and whether you are from WLUG or NZOSS. Thanks, Ross. -----Original Message----- From: Ross Hamblin Sent: Friday, 9 July 2004 16:03 To: openchat(a)nzoss.org.nz; wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [NZOSS-OpenChat] WLUG / NZOSS support for DSE Hamilton Powerhouse Computer Weekend Thanks to all who offered to attend and assist with this. For those who asked about timetables, we would like to have people present to offer advise and demonstrate OSS/Linux between 10am and 4pm on Saturday 17th and Sunday 18th July. As it is difficult to make extra space, we will need to use the computers on display in the store which will mean using Knoppix or similar distro which runs from CD. We will be giving away free Open Office.org and Knoppix CDs to customers who attend. We will be advertising this event in the newspaper and it would be good to include your logos if possible, please advise on this or send to me off-list. We also have facilities to photocopy A4 DLE type brochures if you provide me with a PDF or OO.o doc of your brochure we can produce them for you. Regards, Ross. Ross Hamblin DSE (NZ) Ltd. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: openchat-unsubscribe(a)nzoss.org.nz For additional commands, e-mail: openchat-help(a)nzoss.org.nz

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Help with BIOS geometry
by John 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

I have loaded a dual boot up system several times, but I recently had my motherboard and harddrive replaced and this time the installation program came up with "unable to align partition correctly, this probably m,eans that another partition tool generated an incorrect partition table because it didnt have the correct BIOS geometry. It is safe to ignor, but ignoring may cause (fixable) problems with some boot loaders" Bloody hell, I "ignored and ended up not being able to boot the computer at all. It did not recognise the c-drive I have since reloaded windows from scratch (my linux partition is on a separate hard drive - but I cannot access it). How can I fix this problem with my BIOS? THanks John

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DSE store this weekend
by Gavin Denby 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

In the absence of any replies to my prior offers, I need to know if there is a list of who is one when at DSE, or if any of us are needed at all I must decide by 4pm if I am free to take paid work this Saturday. I offered to help at DSE if required first, and will stand by that if so asked, but at 4pm my offer turns into Cinderellas pumpkin. do you have all the help you need, or have I missed some mail here. DO you want my help with this or are you ok ?? I need to respond to the AK team by 4pm today, so if a committee member handling this could comment it would really help.

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RE: [wlug] DSE store this weekend
by David Nicholls 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

"WLUG / NZOSS support for DSE Hamilton Powerhouse Computer Weekend ...between 10am and 4pm on Saturday 17th and Sunday 18th July... ...giving away free Open Office.org and Knoppix CDs to customers who attend. We will be advertising this event in the newspaper and it would be good to include your logos if possible..." We are sending in the troups to help out :) Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Gund Wehsling [mailto:Gund.Wehsling(a)computerland.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2004 11:12 am Hi A quick Q from a newbie to your board. I did look elsewhere and found no info. What is happening at DSE this weekend, relative to this list, in 25 words or less ;-) Thanks Gund

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RE: [wlug] DSE store this weekend
by Gund Wehsling 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

Hi A quick Q from a newbie to your board. I did look elsewhere and found no info. What is happening at DSE this weekend, relative to this list, in 25 words or less ;-) Thanks Gund -----Original Message----- From: David Nicholls [mailto:davidn(a)waikato.ac.nz] Sent: Wed 14/07/2004 09:11 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: RE: [wlug] DSE store this weekend No, in fact I took a look at the links to the products posted in an email ealier and everything is the latest version... Hot off the web it seems. Go take a look as the cds not only come with oo but mozilla and a number of other products (from what I can see all good basic needs products). Check them out. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2004 8:54 pm Sounds like they can get a free one this Saturday , even though i suspect it will be ver 1.1.1 , if they use it its enough for a start. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] DSE store this weekend
by David Nicholls 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

No, in fact I took a look at the links to the products posted in an email ealier and everything is the latest version... Hot off the web it seems. Go take a look as the cds not only come with oo but mozilla and a number of other products (from what I can see all good basic needs products). Check them out. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2004 8:54 pm Sounds like they can get a free one this Saturday , even though i suspect it will be ver 1.1.1 , if they use it its enough for a start.

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Proxy Authentication
by Terry Cole 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

We have just set up at school a Suse 9 Linux server. Apache 2, Squid 2.5. We are trying to get Proxy Authentication via Squid working and are having problems. We have created our ACL's, etc. We have a password file and have tried Pam and NCSA. The prompt appears asking for user and password but does not accept what we put in. I think it might not be talking to the password file. Any ideas on where and what we could check? Thanks Terry Cole Rotorua, New Zealand mailto:terry(a)cole.gen.nz http://www.cole.gen.nz http://www.websnz.com

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RE: [wlug] DSE store this weekend
by Lindsay Druett 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

But then again, just think of all that extra hardware you can sell. More memory... A DVD writer instead of a CD writer... Hey, instead of Office Pro 2003 Open Bus (XS 9011), why not buy a second computer ? > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2004 15:16 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] DSE store this weekend > > > Sorry Chris > > Its official, You wont be making much money on sales of > Office XP this > weekend :-) >

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RE: [wlug] DSE store this weekend
by Chris Day 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

>> Sorry Chris >> Its official, You wont be making much money on sales of Office XP this >> weekend :-) >> Hopefully the hardware sales will make up for it :-) :-)

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RE: [wlug] DSE store this weekend
by Chris Day 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

>From DSE's perspective, the event is still definitely on and the last I heard WLUG was keen to be present. Members of NZOSS will also be present. At DSE, Ross Hamblin and I have been coordinating stuff - in summary this Sat / Sun - 10am ~4pm. PC's will be present for you to load stuff on & were giving away OS CD's - see NZLUG or NZOSS lists for more details. Regards, Chris.. -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:06 PM To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] DSE store this weekend In the absence of any replies to my prior offers, I need to know if there is a list of who is one when at DSE, or if any of us are needed at all I must decide by 4pm if I am free to take paid work this Saturday. I offered to help at DSE if required first, and will stand by that if so asked, but at 4pm my offer turns into Cinderellas pumpkin. do you have all the help you need, or have I missed some mail here. DO you want my help with this or are you ok ?? I need to respond to the AK team by 4pm today, so if a committee member handling this could comment it would really help. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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kppp, wlan, phone modem and ? iptables
by Stephen Pearce 12 Jul '04

12 Jul '04

Hi And Help! Thanks for the advise re using ssh -X to run X11 remotely over a wlan. I would now like to activate the phone modem on the remote X11 server and then web browse from the laptop using the wlan. There must be some packet filtering occuring as I can log on to my isp whilist sitting at the server and ping external ip addresses and alos local (192.168.0.x addresses) i.e. local requests are somehow being caught and not forwarded over the ppp link to the isp but diverted into the lan. However if I ssh -X to the server from the laptop via the wlan then run kppp and dial the isp the connection goes thru but there must be some protocol problem as the link then collapses saying it cannot find ppp0. I presume this is all to do with packet filtering iptables and maybe ipchains .. an arcane area I do not fully understand and have yet to find a definitive howto which address the area in a way useful to my problem. I would appreciate any directions toward useful help.. Many thanks Stephen ps mozilla runs ok over the link but of course cannot access any links

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Re: Any Hints or Advice?
by David7 10 Jul '04

10 Jul '04

My thanks to all who responded. David wrote a few days ago >> I have just gone over, or come over, to Unix >> - Mandrake 10.0 they call it. It feels great. >> Are there any hints or advice for a new guy? Ari P > Learn to read documentation, including how to find it. > Not much more to answer to such a broadly stated question. D (If I were to read the documentation, I might actually get educated.) It is good advice. Unix is somewhere between an education and a way of thinking (or life), it seems. I have no specific question at present but I am going to have. My hometown was placed in the broadband zone recently, so soon I intend to move over to jetstream. I have applied to my ISP for it, and the hardware is going to be installed in my computer next week. When I do move over I just know there will be qs I can't handle. Also, accessing the web via a computer prog, preferably in Pascal rather than C, is something coming up. I don't know Perl nor Java, nor the jargon of this technique, nor where the problem overlaps Unix and wlug, nor even if it is possible in Pascal, But I won't ask these qs yet. FH > Using Linux fulltime only since last September (Gentoo), I know in a > way what you mean. I'd suggest to latch on to a very active Mandrake > forum which has a good searchable archive. D I haven't started looking for an MDK forum but it is something to do. GD > If you an get into Hamilton on a Monday night, > get along to the lug meetings. [snip] > you will build good friendships and strong networks. > Linux is more community than OS IMHO ..... And the OS really rocks. D My car is presently unreliable, but person to person contact is what I want. I want to go. The OS gives the impression of steady and stable. Several times I have had the computer on for ten hours, and it never got slower (like the old OS did) and it never froze. It is really a good feeling. LD > I strongly agree with Gavin. > Sounds like you have had a good start anyway. Not many people have > come to me saying "I have just installed (whatever) Linux on my machine > and it feels great", a lot of people have said, "I tried to get Linux > working on my machine, but I couldn't get it to work...", and a lot of > those people were IT professionals - they have got sucked in too deep > into the dark side. D I deliberately waited for Mandrake 10.0 (Official), and waited a bit more. It probably paid off. If I didn't have the specifc purpose of downloading, de-tarring, and installing a Pascal compiler, and using it to compile a prog, then I wouldn't have had an initial success and the good feeling. I suppose it is similar to the trick some people use when learning a second spoken language, say Spanish: They read a well-known English-language story or poem in Spanish. Getting the compiler up and running was a struggle but now that I have that feather in my cap, the rest should be easier and more relaxed. Bascially, I have my nice little computer back. LD > Yep, there is a steep learning curve ahead, but it's really worth it. > Open Source Software has done a lot for me than any variant of MS > Windows will ever do. D That inspires me to keep with it. LD > I'm not anti-Microsoft - but the more you get into Linux, > the more you realise why other people think Windows Sux, > furthermore you are siding them with those views. D What gets me is the gaul (sp) or the chutzpah (sp) of the co-founder of ¬. He sold something he didn't own, and that didn't really exist, to people who shouldn't have bought it. And if they had only waited a bit, none of this thingamjig would have happened. DB > Learn to search Google for your problems (unless you have paid > your $20 to be a member, then you can bug them on #wlug ;) D Google sure is an amazing library. I have used it alot for research into old texts and historical events (I write historical fiction in my spare time). I haven't paid $20. If I prove unable to get my jetstream running, and they do, it will be worth $20. GW > So, have you found yourself Pascal compilers yet? D Yes indeed. I used to use the one available on freepascal.org (and .com) so when I switched to Unix I simply went back to the same well. I had to log on as root ('su') then I could instal. I reckon 'tar' should be called 'dar', for disk archive, rather than tape archive. The Vim editor and the KWrite editor are both much better than what I am used to. And the shell (Konsole) or Terminal Program they call it, is so versatile. It didn't take me long to discover 'ls' instead of 'dir', and './' before the assembled and linked file; and forward slash instad of '#' (oh well, my keyboard doesn't want to give it). PL > We try hard to put any advice or hints into the wlug wiki. > http://www.wlug.org.nz/ > If you find some piece of information you found difficult to find, > please put it somewhere in the wiki. D This resource is very handy to know about. My thanks again to all who responded to my query. David C in Huntly, NZ, amateur Pascal progger, digest member.

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WLUG / NZOSS support for DSE Hamilton Powerhouse Computer Weekend
by Ross Hamblin 10 Jul '04

10 Jul '04

Thanks to all who offered to attend and assist with this. For those who asked about timetables, we would like to have people present to offer advise and demonstrate OSS/Linux between 10am and 4pm on Saturday 17th and Sunday 18th July. As it is difficult to make extra space, we will need to use the computers on display in the store which will mean using Knoppix or similar distro which runs from CD. We will be giving away free Open Office.org and Knoppix CDs to customers who attend. We will be advertising this event in the newspaper and it would be good to include your logos if possible, please advise on this or send to me off-list. We also have facilities to photocopy A4 DLE type brochures if you provide me with a PDF or OO.o doc of your brochure we can produce them for you. Regards, Ross. Ross Hamblin DSE (NZ) Ltd.

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vnc over wireless router
by Stephen Pearce 09 Jul '04

09 Jul '04

Help ... I'm trying to run vncviewer on a laptop running Fedora 2 speaking to a redhat 9 server via a 802.11b wireless router .. the server connects to the router via a utp ethernet link .. the laptop via its own internal 802.11b card ..(Truemobile 1400 using ndiswrapper) .. I can ftp and telnet no problems .. I have enables vncserver on the server ... however I keep getting a connect error 111 when I try to use vncviewer to access the server ... any suggestions?/alternatives for remote access to the server X11 desktop? Thanks Stephen

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RE: [NZOSS-OpenChat] WLUG / NZOSS support for DSE Hamilton Powerhouse Computer Weekend
by Chris Day 09 Jul '04

09 Jul '04

Further to Ross's note, a few comments: - Radio & Press will be advertising NSOSS / WLUG involvement - We will be giving away XC4031 OpenOffice.org CD http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/XC4031 or XC4034 Knoppix/Morphix Linux Dual CD Set http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/XC4034 - Linux can be installed on display Desktops or Notebooks as long as they are recovered with MFR restore CD's at the end of the weekend - just zap the boot record and our guys can do the recovery. - Other suppliers will be at this very public event so I a way, we are all on show. Bear in mind DSE's goal in supporting OpenSource is to provide consumers with a choice. We have no preference and will not be influenced when it comes to meeting customer demand. - There are some hot deals on offer so be prepared for allot of customers - be prepared for group demonstrations. - We also need to consider OSH implications so demonstrators will need to sign in. Can't think of anything else at this point - have a fantastic weekend, I'm off to try out Linux nVidia drivers... -----Original Message----- From: Ross Hamblin Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:03 PM To: openchat(a)nzoss.org.nz; wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [NZOSS-OpenChat] WLUG / NZOSS support for DSE Hamilton Powerhouse Computer Weekend Thanks to all who offered to attend and assist with this. For those who asked about timetables, we would like to have people present to offer advise and demonstrate OSS/Linux between 10am and 4pm on Saturday 17th and Sunday 18th July. As it is difficult to make extra space, we will need to use the computers on display in the store which will mean using Knoppix or similar distro which runs from CD. We will be giving away free Open Office.org and Knoppix CDs to customers who attend. We will be advertising this event in the newspaper and it would be good to include your logos if possible, please advise on this or send to me off-list. We also have facilities to photocopy A4 DLE type brochures if you provide me with a PDF or OO.o doc of your brochure we can produce them for you. Regards, Ross. Ross Hamblin DSE (NZ) Ltd. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: openchat-unsubscribe(a)nzoss.org.nz For additional commands, e-mail: openchat-help(a)nzoss.org.nz

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Any Hints or Advice?
by David7 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

Hello I have just gone over, or come over, to Unix - Mandrake 10.0 they call it. It feels great. Are there any hints or advice for a new guy? David C in Huntly, NZ, amateur Pascal progger, digest member.

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Cool things that were released today
by Craig Box 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

New NVIDIA drivers (which now work on kernels with 4k stacks) http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-6106.html Mono v1.0 http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html Craig

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RE: [wlug] LUG / NZOSS support for DSE Hamilton Powerhouse Computer Weekend
by Chris Day 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

>>> I am still planning for this (I only heard about it when you did ;) Well, you looked like you needed a break from that router - istead of breaking it! Got the MIB sorted yet????

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RE: [wlug] LUG / NZOSS support for DSE Hamilton Powerhouse Computer Weekend
by Ross Hamblin 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

Hi Daniel and WLUG, Thank you for this offer to help out. It will be good to have some LUG members there and we really appreciate your support on this. Some NZOSS members have also offered to attend, so should be an excellent opportunity to show what Linux/OSS can do. I am still planning for this (I only heard about it when you did ;) ) but expect to get back to you tomorrow afternoon as to what equipment will be available there etc. Regards, Ross. Ross Hamblin - DSE (NZ) Ltd. > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2004 15:20 > To: Chris Day; Ross Hamblin; Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] LUG / NZOSS support for DSE Hamilton Powerhouse > Computer Weekend > > > Chris, Ross. > > The Waikato Linux Users Group would like to help out at this > event. What organisation is needed between us to make this happen? > > We'd like to borrow a couple of machines you stock to install > recent versions of linux on, if that's at all possible. We > feel this would look better than having x assorted random > home pcs running linux as demonstration units. Maybe a couple > of desktops and a laptop, if that's ok? And, of course, > you'll have windows machines already for demonstrating OSS > apps for windows. > > We'll look at organising some info sheets regarding Linux > /OSS / WLUG as well. > > Regards, > > Daniel Lawson > President, > Waikato Linux Users Group > Phone: (021) 381-013 > email: daniel(a)meta.net.nz > > >

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LUG / NZOSS support for DSE Hamilton Powerhouse Computer Weekend
by Chris Day 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

DSE(NZ)Ltd would like to take our involvement with NZOSS & LUG one step further by inviting representatives to participate in our Hamilton Powerhouse Computer weekend on 17/18 July 2004. During this weekend, representatives from many of our computer suppliers will be there demonstrating computer hardware - we feel it is an opportunity for experienced NZOSS & LUG members to offer our customers advice on Open Source software options. I do not believe we are at a point where we have the room or experience to pull off a full on public install fest. But I do believe it's an opportunity to discuss with consumers what Open Source is all about, perhaps enlist new members and provide consumers with free Open Source CD's to take home and try out (we will be supplying these). I still have some internal finalising to do but I would like to see a range of computers running Open Source software and am looking to list members to help demonstrate the software running on these and hand out the CD's (and LUG/NZOSS pamphlets?) - this in-store demonstration area has yet to be finalized along with any additional needs we identify. If you are a senior member and would like to help us out, please contact ross.hamblin(a)dse.co.nz - Ross and I will be doing our best to make this event successful. Any feedback would be gratefully appreciated. I appreciate this is late notice but we are concerned with the commercial implications of broadcasting an event like this prior to it occurring. Also, I understand that some members may take offence at this message or our approach. If this is the case, then I do sincerely apologise - please bear with us as we figure out the right way to do this. Kind regards, Chris Day Senior Buyer DSE(NZ)Ltd

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firewall hell
by Glenn Ramsey 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

I'm having some trouble with the ipmasq firewall setup on my Debian box. For those that aren't familiar with how it works, the iptables commands are specified in a number of .def/.rul files in /etc/ipmasq/rules. I think these get run by run-parts when /usr/sbin/ipmasq is run. Also ipmasq gets run whenever ppp goes up or down. The default ipmasq with ppp installation firewalls the internal (masqueraded) machines but does not protect the firewall machine itself. A while back this machine got rootkitted (over a dialup link!) and at that time I discovered that when the ipmasq docs talk about it providing a firewall, they don't mean the masq machine itself. I then modified one of the the ipmasq rule scripts using some info from the wlug wiki and it all worked. Recently I was looking at trying to make the audio work in Windows Messenger[1] and discovered that my firewall was no longer working and I couldn't see any dropped packets in the logs ( which led me to think that logging wasn't enabled). I must have upgraded something, don't know what, that caused the firewall to stop working. I discovered that there are some default scripts that provide what I want in the ipmasq examples and installed those. Now I'm firewalled but the firewall drops DNS forwards from my internal bind so things don't work so well. However if I do: $/etc/init.d/ipmasq stop $/etc/init.d/ipmasq start after dialing in then it works. What should I be looking for to diagnose the problem? As far I can tell, which admittedly is not very far, the configuration is fine and is essentially the default install with only changes made to the config definitions to specify which ports to block. Any advice appreciated. g [1] If anyone has done that, any advice would be appreciated on that too. -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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RE: [wlug] Any Hints or Advice?
by Lindsay Druett 07 Jul '04

07 Jul '04

I strongly agree with Gavin. Sounds like you have had a good start anyway. Not many people have come me saying "I have just installed (whatever) Linux on my machine and it feels great", a lot of people have said, "I tried to get Linux working on my machine, but I couldn't get it to work...", and a lot of those people were IT professionals - they have got sucked in too deep into the dark side. Yep, there is a steep learning curve ahead, but it's really worth it. Open Source Software has done a lot for me than any variant of MS Windows will ever do. I'm not anti-Microsoft - but the more you get into Linux, the more you realise why other people think Windows Sux, furthermore you are siding them with those views. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2004 08:30 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] Any Hints or Advice? > > > If you an get into Hamilton on a Monday night, (Sadly I cant > ) get along > to the lug meetings. > > At the beginning a lot goes over your head, just let it go, > meeting the > people and the tips you pick up by watching them will make your life > easier, you will learn a lot, and you will build good friendships and > strong networks. Linux is more community than OS IMHO ..... > And the OS > really rocks. > > Mandrake is good place to start in Linux, but most of the > local lug use > Fedora, Although there are a lot of die hard debian fans too. > I'm on a > slackware derivative nowadays, but we all learn from each > other and help > each other. > > Also Google is a very good search engine for linux users. > > > David7 wrote: > > >Hello > > > >I have just gone over, or come over, to Unix - Mandrake 10.0 > they call it. It > >feels great. > >Are there any hints or advice for a new guy? > > > >David C in Huntly, NZ, > > amateur Pascal progger, digest member. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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[NZOSS-OpenChat] LUG / NZOSS support for DSE Hamilton PowerhouseComputer Weekend
by Craig Box 06 Jul '04

06 Jul '04

Mark Foster writes... > I appreciate this is late notice but we are concerned with the > commercial implications of broadcasting an event like this prior to it > occurring. Also, I understand that some members may take offence at > this message or our approach. If this is the case, then I do sincerely > apologise - please bear with us as we figure out the right way to do > this. > Hi Chris, Ross et al. I personally have no issues whatsoever with this being posted either on NZLUG or the NZOSS Openchat list. I'd also be quite happy to trek down to Hamilton and wave the flag, for one of the two days of that weekend. Also happy to help coordinate if any Aucklanders want to carpool, etc, and can bring my Laptop (a DSE Product funnily enough) running Knoppix-from-CD (its not HD installed, sadly). Likewise theres always my Windows XP Install running Mozilla Firefox as its default browser, Thunderbird for Email and other open source applications for media, etc etc... Ross based on the number of volunteers you get and which day or days they prefer to attend, let me know when suits. Thanks for the opportunity to give Linux and OSS a plug :-) Mark.

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Dumping old stuff
by Daniel Lawson 04 Jul '04

04 Jul '04

As the topic says - I won't add glamour to this :) I've got a pile of old books and software that have sat on my shelves, unused, for a long time. For various reason I don't think they are suitable for donation to the WLUG library, nor do I think anyone will read them anyway. If anyone wants any of the list below, contact me offlist. Also, if anyone has any bright ideas regarding how I can get rid of this in a way that allows other people to make use of it if possible, please let me know. I hate dumping stuff - even though much of this has little value at all any more :). I've listed the books and delphi on trademe, but if you want them let me know. I doubt they'll move quick. It's all going to the dump if I don't get any other suggestions (I have no idea if second hand stores would even touch these...) Books: Sams MS SQL Server DBA Survival Guide Hitch-hikers guide to Visual Basic and SQL Access 97 Unleashed Informix Unleashed Using Sybase Access 2 Developer's Guide Office 97 Unleashed Mastering Delphi Software: Delphi 5 Professional PC Handyman Games: Asheron's Call Reach for the Skies (5.25") Cannon Fodder Command & Conquer - Red Alert (CD) Spelljammer - Pirates of Realmspace (5.25") Populous II and Powermonger Sowrd of Aragon (5.25" i think) Warlords II Diablo and Hellfire expansion pack. Hardware: USB Webcam, win98 only (will kill win2k/xp), some support in linux last i looked.

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logging in ipmasq
by Glenn Ramsey 04 Jul '04

04 Jul '04

Hi, Anyone know how to turn on logging in ipmasq in Debian? The docs in /usr/share/doc/ipmasq do not mention it. g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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IBM and the JVM
by s swami 03 Jul '04

03 Jul '04

Hi guys, here is text of what I'll put up somewhere. Thought I'd get some feedback here first. It's meant to piss IBM supporters off -- don't take it personally. I make some unsubstantiated claims but wtf everybody else is :-) Cheers, Sid --------------------------------------------------------------------- In an open letter to Sun, http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-openlet IBM offers to work with Sun on an open-source implementation of the Java Virtual Machine (JVM). Here is how the letter came about. o IBM had/have been bleating for a while that Sun should open-source the Sun JVM. o Some open source enthusiasts had/have been doing the same - i.e. bleating*. o Analysts and journalists just repeat what the different factions say. Some seem to conflate the language, the virtual machine and the runtime libraries. It was after an insistent journalist (enraptured by IBM's self-professed commitment to an "open-source Java") repeated the call (at a public event) that someone from Sun asked: why does IBM not open-source its own version of the JVM? i.e. why are the buggers haranguing Sun? IBM jumped at this with the open letter mentioned above. In short: they will gladly work with Sun on a common open-source implementation of a JVM if both Sun and IBM offered resources including source code (to their respective JVMs). Excuse me IBM, who asked you to open-source Sun's JVM? I'd like you to open-source /yours/ please. IBM have been veritably shouting their desire for an open source JVM but they are not willing to open source their own implementation. They will if Sun does the same (that's what it boils down to). This smacks of hypocrisy at least and hidden agendas. Why bring Sun into it? Why not BEA or Oracle or ... the open source community? The strength of the present arrangement is that the specs are there for all to see, vendors implement their own JVMs (and they have) and the consumer chooses one or more implementations based on what he requires and his estimation of the competing JVMs. This leads to a thriving industry with high quality JVMs. It gives me choice and I like that. Great. So what's the problem? Simple: IBM's JVM just can't compete with Sun's. Both of them are free for us to download and use. Try them yourself. Yep, IBM can't even give its JVM away. Whose JVM do you have running on your machine? Now Sun's JVM is a beautiful thing! And it is Sun's JVM that will take hardware customers from IBM to Sun. For the same money, Sun's JVM running on Solaris and Sun hardware will outperform the corresponding offering from IBM -- I reckon. And IBM knows it too. My conclusion: IBM are telling fibs, really obvious ones too. Hey whattup IBM? Cat got ya source? ------------------------------------------------------------------- * we have lots of sheep in New Zealand.

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Re: [wlug] Cool things that were released today [OT]
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

At 13:03 2/07/2004, Oliver Jones wrote: >Yep. I completely agree. My stock answer to people who say they want a >computer to surf and do email with I say "buy a Mac". Problem is they >don't like the fact that a Mac is $1000 more expensive than a Windows >box. You can buy a brand new Windows box for $500? Where can I get one... http://store.apple.co.nz/public/product/group.php?pgid=AP13

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Re: [wlug] IBM and the JVM
by s swami 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

On Thursday 01 July 2004 20:43, you wrote: > Sid > > Your arguments seem emotional, poorly founded, irrational > overreactions stemmed from unrealistic and idealistic goals, and > you would be best to drop the subject. What are the unrealistic and idealistic goals you refer to? How is it emotional, poorly founded and an overreaction. You would be best to do better :-) > If you really want to help, do some real research into what IBM is > doing give them real-world reasons to do what you ask, things that > managers will respond to. They have themselves given reasons for open-sourcing their JVM. I'm just asking them to do it. > This isn't a personal attack and I apoligise if this is the way I > come across. I really think you're overreacting here, try to > >approach the situation pragmatically. Hey no worries Dr Spooner. But unfortunately you've got yourself into an interesting situation. Please read carefully what you have written and you will see that all you have done is given us your opinion with "jack" to back them up. > Best Regards And to you my friend. Sid.

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Samba (re Monday's meeting)
by Daniel Lawson 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

One thing I forgot to mention when Greig asked me to talk about Samba in general, is that I am completely and utterly sick of samba playing catchup. Samba will always chase behind Microsoft's implementation. If Samba ever fully catches up and can play the AD game perfectly, and has zero problems, MS only has to move to another structure. It's a futile game to play at. Current Samba implementations fall foul of many of the problems Greig talked about. It's almost the same, but it is subtly different in many ways, and this causes problems. There aren't really any decent unified configuration systems yet, so running an LDAP backed samba system which *works* is not a trivial task to set up. The entire domain model of samba is tedious to work with unless you're running MS gear. That said, it's the only option right now. There are ways around it which have been implemented on large university networks, however support is tedious. I'm looking at using a custom GINA (the login part of windows) which will auth via Kerberos or LDAP, and having an AFS based network (Andrew File System), a distributed file system). It's not all doom and gloom, I guess. I get fairly frustrated with the attitude that seems to dominate overall major linux development which says that we have to mimic Windows. GNOME and KDE have done this, Samba is perpetually doing this. If Linux actually *is* better than Windows, why do we have to mimic them? We could at least be mimicing Mac OS X. I'd like that. Daniel

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Fw: Transparent Proxy install - RH linux 7.3(2.4.20-28.7) updated via RHN w/ IPtables enabled & Squid 2.5-Stable5 w/ Dansguardian-2.6.1 & AV plug-in.
by scott.pichelman＠weirslurry.com 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

Ok, since I haev to wait moderator approval for over 40KB , I did not attach my files and will have to later on... TIA! Scott Scott Pichelman Systems Administrator Weir Slurry TM North America 2701 S Stoughton Rd Madison WI 53716 USA T: +001 608 226 5615 F: +001 608 221 5807 M: +001 608 279 0368 E: scott.pichelman(a)weirslurry.com W: http://weirslurry.com ----- Forwarded by Scott Pichelman/US/WAR/Weir on 06/30/2004 09:55 AM ----- Scott Pichelman/US/WAR/Weir 06/30/2004 09:36 AM To wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz cc Subject Transparent Proxy install - RH linux 7.3(2.4.20-28.7) updated via RHN w/ IPtables enabled & Squid 2.5-Stable5 w/ Dansguardian-2.6.1 & AV plug-in. Hi all, Can anyone help me out with my dilemma? Here is a brief overview of my situation... Research: I have been trying to get the above mentioned to work for some time! I have read Doc from these sources: http://dansguardian.org/?page=documentation http://dansguardian.org/?page=dgflow http://www.nyetwork.org/wiki/DansGuardian And...other posts/threads and doc as well! Mission: We are a mid-sized organization trying to set-up a Proxy server to cache & filter requests from Windows users. We "would" like to set-up all the above in the email "subject" line on one machine. Can we use it as a gateway like transparent proxying suggests? Can I use a test machine w/ a "DHCP" address & will the FW(iptables) still work properly? In what order should I configure, whast type of logging could I use to troubleshoot? I know it has been done and I have little time now, sigh. So, I found your list while searching google noticed that WPAD might be a better way to go, is this true in some cases? We do not want to have to change "browser settings" on all of the client machines. I am unfamiliar with a transparent proxy versus other options but wonder if someone could help me out with doc? Finally, I may be missing something very easily, if so, please forgive my carelessness. Is there a simple procedure to follow so I install simply and than add complexity as I go? Tryed installing one app at a time starting w/ Squid then DG w/ plug-in, then IP tables but to no avail... I used the standard config files in many cases and will attach those files. The errors I receive are when setting my browser to "direct connection" are "ERROR Requested URL could not be retrieved" & "Access Denied". There have been times when Squid/DG & IPtables filtering seem to work, but would filter "all" sites most of the time. Most of the time when I enable the FW or IPtables it does not seem to work correctly. Meanwhile, I am trying a new distro - RH AS 2.1 server and will patch 2/ up2date. Please view my attached doc and conf files. root(a)Linux-Test dansguardian]# cat /etc/sysconfig/iptables # Generated by iptables-save v1.2.8 on Tue Jun 29 16:49:36 2004 *nat :PREROUTING ACCEPT [22:4542] :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [1:132] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [1:132] -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8080 COMMIT # Completed on Tue Jun 29 16:49:36 2004 # Generated by iptables-save v1.2.8 on Tue Jun 29 16:49:36 2004 *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [627:56813] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [293:29548] -A INPUT -s ! 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 3128 -j DROP COMMIT # Completed on Tue Jun 29 16:49:36 2004 Any help is greatly appreciated, if possible. Thanks. Scott Scott Pichelman Systems Administrator Weir Slurry TM North America 2701 S Stoughton Rd Madison WI 53716 USA T: +001 608 226 5615 F: +001 608 221 5807 M: +001 608 279 0368 E: scott.pichelman(a)weirslurry.com W: http://weirslurry.com The information contained in this email (including any attachments) is confidential, subject to copyright and for the use of the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient please delete this message after notifying the sender. Unauthorised retention, alteration or distribution of this email is forbidden and may be actionable. Attachments are opened at your own risk and you are advised to scan incoming email for viruses before opening any attached files. We give no guarantee that any communication is virus-free and accept no responsibility for virus contamination or other system loss or damage of any kind.

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Re: [wlug] IBM and the JVM
by s swami 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

On Wednesday 30 June 2004 22:43, Oliver wrote: > > Now Sun's JVM is a beautiful thing! And it is Sun's JVM that > > will take hardware customers from IBM to Sun. For the same > > money, Sun's JVM running on Solaris and Sun hardware will > > outperform the corresponding offering from IBM -- I reckon. And > > IBM knows it too. > > > > My conclusion: IBM are telling fibs, really obvious ones too. > > I'm not so sure about the current state of affairs but certainly in > JDK 1.3 days IBM's JVM and Jikes compiler were often quoted as > being faster and better than Sun's respectively. I was talking about the Sun combination vs the IBM combination. But I'll take it out since it detracts from the main point. Thanks. Sid.

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Trouble connecting linux to ValueNet
by Glenn Ramsey 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

Hi, My Dad has asked me to help with a dialup connection problem to ValueNet. He has Mandrake 9.0 and it works fine when connecting to Xtra. connection. The ValueNet connection also works fine from a win95 PC. From the log it appears that PPP is not starting: Valuenet with correct login data (same result with incorrect user name or password) Jun 24 20:50:03 localhost pppd[2645]: pppd 2.4.1 started by trevor, uid 1001 Jun 24 20:50:03 localhost pppd[2645]: using channel 38 Jun 24 20:50:03 localhost pppd[2645]: Using interface ppp0 Jun 24 20:50:03 localhost pppd[2645]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ham Jun 24 20:50:03 localhost pppd[2645]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xe86fb3e4> <pcomp> <accomp>] Jun 24 20:50:06 localhost pppd[2645]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xe86fb3e4> <pcomp> <accomp>] Jun 24 20:50:33 localhost pppd[2645]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Jun 24 20:50:33 localhost pppd[2645]: Connection terminated. Jun 24 20:50:33 localhost pppd[2645]: Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean: Jun 24 20:50:33 localhost pppd[2645]: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0 Jun 24 20:50:33 localhost pppd[2645]: Exit. Does anyone have a working linux dialup connection to ValueNet? If so would you be able to let me know what configuration is required? Anyone else got any ideas? TIA g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Targeting Linux to Business. GreigMcGill plans to cover: * What Linux is currently very good at. * What I think is required to improve this. * What Linux currently CAN'T do * What I think is required to help this * Some notes on advocating Linux to businesses. Please replace Linux with OSS/FreeBSD/Whatever as your needs dictate. :) CrawshawSchool.

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Re: [wlug] WLUG Meeting is tonight
by s swami 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

> > > The language doesn't have to be interpreted. Java is a > > > compiled language. It's just not compiled to the native > > > machine code. > > > > Most JVMs compile to native code, either JIT or ahead-of-time. > > Yes I know that the JVM does a certain amount of byte code to > native code translation. But this is implementation specific and > not guaranteed. It's called a virtual machine for a reason. Please clarify in your mind the differences among the language, the libraries and the JVM. Then you will realise that the specification for the Java language is silent about whether it is to be interpreted, byte-compiled or compiled to machine code. That is why I responded to your incorrect statements: "Java is a compiled language. It's just not compiled to the native machine code." by explicitly mentioning the JVM. You will also then realise why your claim that IBM has "forked" java is incorrect. (Aristotle points this out to you). As to fears of forking, they are genuine. here is a link for you: http://firebird.sourceforge.net/ And here is an excerpt from one of the pages from that site: --QUOTE------------------------------------------------------------- In August 2000, Borland Software Corp. (formerly known as Inprise) released the beta version of InterBase 6.0 as open source. The community of waiting developers and users preferred to establish itself as an independent, self-regulating team rather than submit to the risks, conditions and restrictions that the company proposed for community participation in open source development. A core of developers quickly formed a project and installed its own source tree on SourceForge. They liked the Phoenix logo which was to have been ISC's brandmark and adopted the name "Firebird" for the project. Because Borland's open source efforts regarding InterBase never really took off beyond prime release of the source code and the company returned its focus to closed commercial development, Firebird became THE Open Source version of InterBase. --END OF QUOTE-------------------------------------------------------- <ethical_rant> You see what these f--ks did? Now I don't give a shit what reasons they had, they should have gotten over it like Netscape/Mozilla did. It goes against the values I hold -- respect the company for the steps they took to open their sources and work with them for the benefit of all. If you have a problem, get some self-respect and write your own damn code from scratch. As more companies open their sources, I hope that similar sentiments to mine will enter the hacker ethic. </ethical_rant> > The main reason is so that Java's fortunes are not tied to Suns > fortunes. Which frankly are looking a little bleak. > ... Java as a platform is not tied to Sun's fortunes. Read the license, write code and give the code to Sun. You, IBM and MS can all do that. So far I have seen two arguments for "open sourcing" Java that are worth considering: (1) It will be convenient for Debian users since it will enable apt to transparently manage any packages. (2) Freedom will be good for the platform. To (1): This is a problem with Debian and apt. It can't be the download (I do it on my 33K) it is the hoops that /Debian/ and /apt/ require us to jump through. To (2): Yes. Let us hope that if it happens, we get a license similar in spirit to that of freedom, that Sun is given the respect it deserves and is able to profit fairly from it. And boy if I see the Firebird faction turning their evil green eyes thataway ... Sid

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Re: [wlug] WLUG Meeting is tonight
by s swami 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

My replies to Daniel: > >You see what these f--ks did? Now I don't give a shit what reasons > >they had, they should have gotten over it like Netscape/Mozilla > > did. > > Which f--ks are that? Borland? I was using a lot of Borland > products at the time, so I remember the release of Interbase quite > clearly. It definitely had the feel of a company wishing to keep > dead code alive. Interbase was a good RDBMS, but it was losing > marketshare to SQL Server. IMO, the move to open source Interbase > was pushed by this, and not neccesarily out of any good will to the > world. These folks :-) referred to Firebird developers. Perhaps I was insufficiently clear: the context was the risks of "forking". Firebird forked Interbase and I don't care what their reasons were. They should have worked with Borland. > >It goes against the values I hold -- respect the company for the > >steps they took to open their sources and work with them for the > >benefit of all. If you have a problem, get some self-respect and > >write your own damn code from scratch. > > Now you seem to be talking about the Firebird developers (where did > the Netscape analogy go?) What's wrong with forking a codebase? > Especially if you think that the original codebase was released by > a company in trouble, as a way to wipe their hands of a dying > product. There we go, whats wrong with forking Java? And this is what concerns Sun and java developers like me. > > Don't get me wrong, I'm dead again the > zillion-opensource-products-to-do-the-one-thing sort of mentality > (yet another emacs with wordstar bindings and tetris.... what's the > point?), but in the case where you have taken a supposedly open > sourced product, and found that the group in charge of it is being > slow or tedious to get patches accepted, and in fact don't even > seem to *care* any more, what's the problem with forking it? It is > better to fork it than lose ongoing development entirely, surely? Java gets forked because MS feels that their patches aren't being accepted fast enough. > >As more companies open their sources, I hope that similar > > sentiments to mine will enter the hacker ethic. > > Your sentiment being "Always write your own code from scratch, > rather than take a useful codebase and work on it"? I hope not. > You're missing out on one of the most powerful aspects of open > source - you can take a project and modify it and release that, > legally. That is not my sentiment. But you highlight the risks of forking again. > Maybe I should point out where a fork has been beneficial: Samba > and Samba-TNG (The Next Generation). Samba TNG was forked at a time > where some of the developers thought the direction the main Samba > team was going was wrong. TNG was aimed at rewriting parts of the > core of Samba to do things much closer to the way windows does it. > Now, if Luke Leighton got "some self-respect and wrote [his] own > code from scratch", TNG would never have taken off. Far too much > work. This is not the same as my example. Interbase was originally close sourced, Samba was always open and developed by the community. If a large part of the community (read people who contributed code) feel the need for a change of direction, that is fine by me (similarly, I feel fine about X.org). You see these guys working on Samba-TNG and X.org contributed greatly to the original products. Now the f__ks who quickly set up their own Interbase repository and called it Firebird did not contribute a single line of code to what was a mature product (Interbase) -- they couldn't, it had been closed. They did not have the pedigree of the likes of Leighton or Packard and friends who also forked their originals. Forking in itself is not bad, it's who forks it and why. These ethical questions can be seen as relative. Hackers will vote with their fingers. If enough agree with my sentiments, these will enter the hacker ethic. (I hope I've made myself clearer). > >To (1): This is a problem with Debian and apt. It can't be the > >download (I do it on my 33K) it is the hoops that /Debian/ and > > /apt/ require us to jump through. > > If the license says you can't redistribute it, then any > distribution which prefers to maintain it's own repositories will > have this problem. I don't want to get into a discussion of what the different parties mean by "redistribute". Let's just look at it empirically: Java comes on every major Linix distribution disk apart from Debian. FreeBSD has negotiated a license with Sun that allows it to distribute Java from the FreeBSD site. NetBSD are doing something similar. Apple comes with Java. Clearly the problem is the Debian stance. Distributions can choose to be flexible. We all know of Linus's flexibility wrt to binary drivers "in" the kernel just as we know of RMS's opposite view. For Debian it is a religious question. That's fine. > Sure, you can always download it manually. And you can go and set > up your environment manually to path it correctly. And you can > setup binfmt so that you can just run a java app without having to > know it's java. What happens when you want to put a package that > depends on the jvm into your repository however? It is *really* > messy having a dependancy installed from source. Then your package sytem has a weakness with "having a dependancy installed from source". You could improve your packaging system or mandate (I'm being cheeky: substutute "ask") that all software conform with your broken packaging system. > >To (2): Yes. Let us hope that if it happens, we get a license > > similar in spirit to that of freedom, that Sun is given the > > respect it deserves and is able to profit fairly from it. > > > >And boy if I see the Firebird faction turning their evil green > > eyes thataway ... > > Get over it. If Borland stopped development of Interbase after > releasing it, it was because Borland didn't care enough about it. > Firebird did nothing wrong, other than force Mozilla to change the > name of it's browser a second time in short order. Interbase is still being developed by Borland. I will never use or support Firebird.

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Gotcha!
by Michael & Colleen McDonald 28 Jun '04

28 Jun '04

Not so long ago I decided to dabble my toes in the waters of Linux, to broaden my experience and see for myself if it can truly replace that "other" operating system. I purchased a new system with 2 disk drives and proceeded with some testing. Since I wasn't ready to break "the ties that bind", my plan was to install Linux on the slave drive and that other system on the master. Fedora Core 1 loaded nicely onto the slave drive. But ... on booting the system, "GRUB" would appear on the screen (no menu) and there it would stay. Fortunately I had created a boot floppy. Away I could go, having to boot from floppy. Just as well I had a floppy drive! That boot floppy was transferred to CD within a couple of days. The other operating system was loaded on to the master drive. No problems there, but it was interesting to note that many drivers had to loaded (with much rebooting of the system) before all the hardware was operational - whereas Linux coped "out of the box". Was surprised to find that my system drive was "G:" ... because of the Linux partitions set up earlier. Along comes Fedora Core 2. Great! The install went like a charm ... until the reboot. Of course, Grub still wouldn't load. The boot diskette (CD) for the 2.4 Kernel proved useless too! I've tried, without success to recreate the loader, even trying to put the loader on /hda. Even went to the extent of renaming some files in the boot partition on /hdb1 ... that caused the installer to think I needed a new loader (which is what I intended!), but when it came to the end of the installation it said the loader was up to date so it didn't need to replace it. "Help!" ... any suggestions please? Michael

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RE: [wlug] WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Lindsay Druett 28 Jun '04

28 Jun '04

And someone here can organise a bus for a trip to Taupo and back... :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] > Sent: Monday, 28 June 2004 14:33 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] WLUG Meeting is tonight > > You really should try to make it up for a meeting sometime > Oliver. Taupo > isn't that far away. Perhaps you could even present a meeting > of your own? > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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p200 server
by Gavin Denby 28 Jun '04

28 Jun '04

A while back I was offered a full server size p200 for a file server. I have lost the e-mail from the offer, and cant find who it was. Could that person please contact me off list. Thanks.

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OT - Need a CD copy - Visual C#.net standard Version 2002
by Gavin Denby 28 Jun '04

28 Jun '04

I have a fully licensed version of this software, but disk 1 has been damaged, and I cannot install it. Microsoft will sell me replacement Media at $50NZ but before I fork out more money on this, I thought I'd ask if anyone has a set of this with CD 1 that I can get a Backup of to allow me to work past the damaged bit of the media on disk 1, and install the software on my new laptop. otherwise its more dollars for Microsoft NZ that I would rather spend elsewhere. I need this for a course. so any help will be appreciated. After that I can migrate to mono. Please reply to me off list as this really has nothing to do with Linux, but since we have so many smart programmers here, someone may be able to help me hang on to a few dollars. Sorry if this traffic is a annoyance, I won't ask here again. honest.

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Wee problem with Samba
by Shane Taylor 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

Hi. I'm having a wee problem with Samba. It's configured to be the Netbios Master Browser for my home network. It's working perfectly ..... except that the browse list only contains a single machine - the Samba machine. I can get to any other machine using it's netbios name - \\megans - and everything works fine. The logs all show that it's working alright - it wins all the browser elections and no errors show up. The only weird thing I've noticed is that in the "log.<machine name>" lanman.c is mentioned after a client connection is made (shouldn't come into things at all but I don't think it's any problem??). Otherwise, things look just peachy. I've tried all the usual stuff (smbstatus/smbclient/nbtstat .... created shares and they show up etc), google, docs from all over the place blah yadda etc. Not a damn thing :( Any ideas?? I'm running Debian unstable with the 2.6.6 kernel and Samba 3.0.4. smb.conf [global] netbios name = debian workgroup = Workgroup wins support = yes security = share os level = 65 domain logons = no domain master = yes preferred master = yes local master = yes hosts allow = 192.168.1. 127. interfaces = eth0 lo bind interfaces only = Yes interfaces = 192.168.1.1/24 name resolve order = wins lmhosts host bcast browse list = yes dns proxy = yes printing = cups printcap name = /etc/printcap load printers = yes guest account = nobody log level = 3 log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m Netstat -a shows: tcp 0 0 debian:netbios-ssn *:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 debian:microsoft-ds *:* LISTEN udp 0 0 debian:netbios-ns *:* udp 0 0 *:netbios-ns *:* udp 0 0 debian:netbios-dgm *:* udp 0 0 *:netbios-dgm *:* debian:/usr/local/samba/var/locks# cat wins.dat VERSION 1 0 "__MSBROWSE__#01" 1088324891 255.255.255.255 e4R "DEBIAN#00" 1088283997 192.168.1.1 66R "DEBIAN#03" 1088283997 192.168.1.1 66R "DEBIAN#20" 1088283997 192.168.1.1 66R "MEGANS#00" 1088324846 192.168.1.41 64R "MEGANS#20" 1088324846 192.168.1.41 64R "MTROUSERS#00" 1088324803 192.168.1.10 64R "MTROUSERS#20" 1088324803 192.168.1.10 64R "RITWA#00" 1088311573 192.168.1.12 64R "RITWA#03" 1088311591 192.168.1.12 64R "RITWA#20" 1088311592 192.168.1.12 64R "WORKGROUP#00" 1088324846 255.255.255.255 e4R "WORKGROUP#1b" 1088283997 192.168.1.1 64R "WORKGROUP#1e" 1088324846 255.255.255.255 e4R debian:/usr/local/samba/var/locks# cat browse.dat "WORKGROUP" c0001000 "DEBIAN" "WORKGROUP" "DEBIAN" 400d9a03 "Samba 3.0.4" "WORKGROUP" ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

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Traffic Monitoring
by Felix Hohener 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

We got a small network which connects to the internet via a switch and an ADSL router. We have no access or control over the router (corporate office only). I need to monitor the traffic between the individual work stations and the router in a as simple way as possible. Any suggestions? It can be Linux or Windows based, also commercial options are considered. Thanks --- Felix

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Debian update not working
by Glenn Ramsey 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

Hi, I'm running Debian/testing and I just tried to install a new package that had to update a lot of dependencies. Some of the downloads timed out, this is because they are outdated and no longer exist in the pool, so I need to do an apt-get update. This usually works out fine but right now apt-get update doesn't update the package files. I checked the packages it wants on the Debian website and they have been updated. Why would apt-get update have suddenly stopped working properly? (I'm also using apt-proxy but I don't think that should affect it) g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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Re: Committee meeting minutes
by David King 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

The reason they haven't supplied the IR254 booklet is "Clubs and societies (IR254) booklet has been withdrawn and is currently being reviewed to bring it up to date with current legislation." This quote can be found at http://www.ird.govt.nz/library/newsletters/aanswers/2004/2004mar.html >Craig B is trying to contact the IRD to become tax exempt but they >completely fail to produce the IR254 booklet that is required. --- David G King : d_king(a)xtra.co.nz http://dking.8m.net NZART, AREC

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Monday Meeting
by Greig McGill 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

>From the Wiki: Targeting Linux to Business. I will be covering: a.. What Linux is currently very good at. b.. What I think is required to improve this. c.. What Linux currently CAN'T do d.. What I think is required to help this e.. Some notes on advocating Linux to businesses. Please replace Linux with OSS/FreeBSD/Whatever as your needs dictate. :) Location - Crawshaw Primary School see http://www.wlug.org.nz/CrawshawSchool Greig.

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Committee meeting minutes
by Craig Box 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Minutes of tonight's committee meeting are now up at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2004-06-23. Please note that last meeting we clarified our subscription policy; the $20 subscription is for a year's membership between AGMs. We're sorry that the installfest fell within 6 months of the next meeting, but we hope that you'll all consider the WLUG a worthy enough cause to resubscribe in September when our AGM occurs. Please also accept our apologies that there was no notification of this meeting; the meeting reminder bot is on holiday and will be fixed very shortly. Craig

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Re: Re: [wlug] modem
by Stephen Pearce 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Hi, Went ahead and got one of these ... and the ltmodem source which I'm trying to compile under 2.6 what do you list when you "lspci" the modem? I get an unrecognised pcTel device .. number 2179 .. I am wondering if they have substituted a no name brand for the lectron modme you got ... either way compiling seems to be un straightforward .. so could you send me any tricks you used to get it compiled (fedora 2) thanks Stephen > > From: Daniel Lawson <daniel(a)meta.net.nz> > Date: 2004/06/18 Fri AM 08:59:46 GMT+12:00 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] modem > > > > > > I'd get a Lectron I56PSP/F40 PCI modem from Ascent > > (http://www.ascent.co.nz/mn-product-spec.asp?pid=120287) $20.93, and > > it works well in linux. > > > > Get the ltmodem drivers from > > http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/. If you're running > > FC2 on a P2 or Celeron or later, you'll *probably* be ok to get the > > binary release drivers - make sure you get the right one for the > > kernel you are running however! > > > > Just following this up - there are (or were, when I looked a month or > two back), two sets of binary drivers - one for i386, one for i686. > Except, the ones targetted for i386, were actually still compiled for > i686. This means they will not work at all on an i586 system, such as a > pentium, or a k6 or k6-2 processor. > > If you've got a Celeron or Pentium 2 or later, or an AMD Athlon or > Duron, you'll be fine. > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Win4Lin sponsorship
by Gavin Denby 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

I see Dun and Hawkes bay have taken advantage of this. http://www.netraverse.com/LUG/ Are we interested, I was about to price a copy but thought I'd ask first.

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Re: Re: [wlug] modem
by Stephen Pearce 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Hi Gavin, I'd be keen to obtain the 56k external .. I'll be in Hamilton 4th Sept. and could pick it up then or I could get a Hamilton friend pick it up beforehand if you wish .. how much do you want for it? Thanks Stephen ps I could swap it for an internal 56k conextant hcf modem !:) > But I do have adsl so, I have a 56K external, and some 33.6k Phone > Modems if you need one, and you don't mind collecting from Hamilton.

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modem
by Stephen Pearce 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Any suggestions for a replacement of my conexant hcf internal, modem which has stopped since I upgraded to fedora 2? The DS Intel Ham has a similar problem with the chip manufacturer having a proprietry component to the driver and not upgrading to the latest linux releases Thanks Stephen

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HP-UX 11i expertise wanted
by Pete 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

Hi UNIXers, I'm working on a port of a very large C++ project from Windows to Unix. The aim is to get the system running successfully under HP-UX 11i. The application is multithreaded and runs as a service under Windows and as a daemon under Unix. The application uses the 3rd party libraries boost, CenterPoint XML, OTL++ and libodbc++. It currently interacts with SQL Server and Oracle databases. I have to say that I'm definitively not a Unix person; my skills are in the Windows arena. Even so I have managed to convert the code successfully so that it runs fine under Linux RH8 and RH9 (compiled using GCC 3.2). However, I'm extremely frustrated to find that I have a major problem with the software under HP-UX: it seems to CORE dump after running for "some time" (typically 2 - 3hrs). I simply don't know enough about HP-UX and urgently need someone assist me. The skills that I'm seeking are: - HP9000/HP-UX 11i - C++ - STL, pthread (or even better boost::thread) - GCC and GDB One word of caution: the HP9000 machine I'm using for testing is located in the USA and Internet access is relatively slow. I have managed using an X-client, but response times make this a fairly impracticable option. I'd love to hear from anyone who might be interested. Peter Hug Warehouse Optimization LLC Phone +64-6-8354933

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HP-UX 11i expertise wanted
by Craig Box 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

This message from Peter got eaten by the "too big" fairy the first time around -- Craig -- Thanks for your many insightful comments Perry. > What signal is it dying with? The message I get is: Program exited with signal 11 (Segmentation Fault) However, from the attached stack frame you can see that erros occur inside stl code. In this particular case, it all has to do with simple std::string manipulations which require resizing the strings internal buffer. However, the error can also occur at entirely different locations. Also, I'm really puzzled why I only see 11 frames on the stack for this thread. What the code actually does is call a method of class ExceptionContext to write a message to a log file (the method behaves basically like sprintf). The following code reflects somehow what the code might have been doing at the time of the crash (error occurs at gEC.ReportDiagnostic()): #include "Exception.h" ExceptionContext gEC("mylogfile.log"); void foo() { std::string strDB = "Database"; std::string strTbl = "Table"; std::string strK1 = "12"; std::string strK2 = "A92bit12"; std::string strK3 = "901-12"; gEC.ReportDignostic("Table %s has key %s", (std::string("[") + strDB + "." + strTbl + "]").c_str(), (std::string("[") + strK1 + "/" + strK2 + "/" + strK3 + "]").c_str()); } Clearly, there are more frames on the stack, but I simply don't understand how to get the complete picture. But don't be fooled by this stack trace; a fact is that the error is everytime totally different and only occurs under HP-UX. > Linux has a great program called "valgrind" that can be used for > debugging memory and threading issues. If you can get it to compile > under Linux on x86 I'd **highly** recommend you run valgrind on your > program. I will most definitively try this one out. Pete

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Waikato 2020 Communications Trust
by Daniel Lawson 17 Jun '04

17 Jun '04

Matt Brown and I recently (4 June) had a meeting with Prof Ted Zorn, regarding the Waikato 2020 Communications Trust and the Waikato Linux Users Group. Prof Zorn is in the Department of Management Communication in the School of Management at Waiakto University. The 2020 Communications Trust is a charitible trust set up with the basic objective of promoting “… discussion and investigation of ideas, knowledge and technology in new media and computer networking". The full objectives can be found at http://www.2020.org.nz/trust/princip.htm. They are basically looking at improving community absorption of modern IT, and improving the general understanding of IT in the community. One of the projects the Waikato 2020 Communications Trust is working on at the moment is called the ‘Waikato Community Net’, or “WaiCN” for short. This is being modelled on fairly successfull project run by the Wellington 2020 Communications Trust, unsurprisingly called the ‘Wellington Community Net’ or WCN for short. (http://www.wcn.net.nz/) WaiCN will provide a portal for community sites, which perhaps wouldn’t otherwise be able to decently host websites. This will have a secondary effect of perhaps becoming a de facto standard for looking for community information in this region. WaiCN also aims to improve community groups’ education overall, and to integrate and coordinate other community-oriented ICT programs. (Most of that was lifted from the project outline.) Prof Zorn contacted the WLUG to see if we were interested in working together with W2020CT (I’ll start abbreviating things here) on this project, and in general. We seem to share some similar goals, although ours are primarily focussed around F/OSS software, and the W2020CT is at least nominally neutral on this issue. Matt, Prof Zorn and I had a nice chat over lunch, during which we discussed the objectives of both groups, and how well we’d been meeting them. We pressed the point that some of the ultimate goals of OSS are not ‘to beat Mickey$haft’, but to provide choice, and to provide open standards. As it happens, a ready example of where open standards should be adhered to was provided by Prof Zorn himself, as he emailed the project blurb for WaiCN out as a MS Word document. Prof Zorn seemed interested in possible collaboration between the two groups, and Matt and I came away with the same feeling. He is going to talk with the Trustees of the W2020CT, and at some point we’ll swap representatives for meetings and get a better idea of what each group is doing. I personally think this collaboration will be useful from a couple of viewpoints. W2020CT provides a good vehicle for neutral advocacy of choice, and of open standards. This doesn’t mean they’ll push linux everywhere, but it might mean they make people aware of the choice. Also, they are part of a much larger organisation than WLUG, with better access to resources. Some of the people in the W2020CT and the national 2020CT are in fairly “high” places in terms of local and national government. Whether that matters or not is yet to be seen, but it’s worth remembering that our Charter does include advocacy of F/OSS to government, commercial and industrial bodies, something which we’ve not really been addressing lately. This is perhaps a good starting point. Daniel

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Re: [wlug] HP-UX 11i expertise wanted
by Wayne Rooney 16 Jun '04

16 Jun '04

>One word of caution: the HP9000 machine I'm using for testing is located >in the USA and Internet access is relatively slow. I have managed using >an X-client, but response times make this a fairly impracticable option. That's a bit far away. I've got one in my garage. Mine runs Debian though. If you wanted to borow it you'd have to supply your own copy of HP-UX. Nice machines - mines got dual 64 bit RISC processors. Wayne

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conexant and intel ham modems
by Stephen Pearce 14 Jun '04

14 Jun '04

Hi Recently upgraded to Fedora 2 Then realised that the linuxant driver for my conexant hcf modem would not work .. and the only one available free is cripple ware at 14.4k .. it is ~$15$US to upgrade to the full 56k ok .. so I can buy a new DS Intel Ham modem for abt the same .. maybe less .. BUT a bt of research shows that intel have no plans to release a 2.6 kernel version of the linux driver for this 536ep modem .... Has anyone any suggestions on how to get 56k back thriftily (excluding going back to the 2.4 kernel Thanks Stephen

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Re: [wlug] Fedora 2 and rpm denial Terminal log so far
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 13 Jun '04

13 Jun '04

Craig, Fedora 2 is installed on my computer. Thanks to Mattheius. I have four C/D's, Two installed the o/s, the other two I have no clue what to do with. There may even be a media player on the discs My newbieness is the cause of most of my problems I think. I will try to set up the yum. I need to know how to open or, get to, /etc/yum.conf so that I can paste the infomation to it. My original plan was to download xine because the Australian Linux journal said it was an easy install and a good programme, then came all the dependancies and confusing stuff so I went for what I thought was an easier option, Hmmnn! > Since you want to use FreshRPMs, copy and paste the > following to your /etc/yum.conf (as root) > > [freshrpms] > name=FreshRPMs > baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/$releasever/ > $basearch/freshrpm s/ > > http://ftp.us2.freshrpms.net/linux/freshrpms/ayo/fedora/linux/$releasever/$… > > Craig > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Fedora 2 and rpm denial Terminal log so far
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 13 Jun '04

13 Jun '04

OK, This time I remembered to change to root and I think that the key is imported. My terminal is giving this outcome... [john(a)localhost john]$ su Password: [root(a)localhost john]# rpm -Uvh mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm: not an rpm package (or package manifest): [root(a)localhost john]# Do I need to redownload the programme?? John.. > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug[john(a)localhost john]$ su Password: [root(a)localhost john]# rpm -Uvh mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm: not an rpm package (or package manifest): [root(a)localhost john]#

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Re: [wlug] Fedora 2 and rpm denial Terminal log so far
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 12 Jun '04

12 Jun '04

[john(a)localhost john]$ pwd /home/john [john(a)localhost john]$ rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt error: cannot get exclusive lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm error: RPM-GPG-KEY.txt: import failed. [john(a)localhost john]$ rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt error: cannot get exclusive lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm error: RPM-GPG-KEY.txt: import failed. [john(a)localhost john]$ [john(a)localhost john]$ wget http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt --19:36:20-- http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt => `RPM-GPG-KEY.txt.1' Resolving freshrpms.net... 66.40.9.130 Connecting to freshrpms.net[66.40.9.130]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 1,631 [text/plain] 100%[====================================>] 1,631 --.--K/s 19:36:22 (15.55 MB/s) - `RPM-GPG-KEY.txt.1' saved [1631/1631] [john(a)localhost john]$ rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt error: cannot get exclusive lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1) error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm error: RPM-GPG-KEY.txt: import failed. [john(a)localhost john]$ > * jaytee(a)clear.net.nz <jaytee(a)clear.net.nz> [2004-06-12 > > > > 09:12]: > > http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt > > What to do here. There is nothing to download, I saved > > the all the text (from start to finish) in an open > > office file as Key.sxw > > Err, you can put the text into a text editor, but a word > processor document is not a plaintext file. You are > supposed to simply download the file. I did not know this!! > > How about > > wget http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt Yes! This worked fine John.. > "If you can't laugh at yourself, you don't take life > seriously enough." > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Fedora 2 and rpm denial
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 12 Jun '04

12 Jun '04

Alistair. Still not able to do this. Are you able to downgrade your instructions to double simpleton for me??? > > download the gpg key that the freshrpms packages are > > signed with: > > http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt What to do here. There is nothing to download, I saved the all the text (from start to finish) in an open office file as Key.sxw I opened the terminal and cut and paste your script, then enter. no response! Still will not install due to Key issue John.... > > and then import it: > > # rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt > > > > Regards, > > Alastair > > -- > > (o< - A l a s t a i r P o r t e r > > //\ > > V_/_ alastair(a)linuxexperience.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > [Attachment: alastair(a)linuxexperience.com.sig] > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Fedora 2 and rpm denial
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 12 Jun '04

12 Jun '04

Then try to install the programme again after I import the key?? John. > > download the gpg key that the freshrpms packages are > signed with: http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt > > and then import it: > # rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt > > Regards, > Alastair > -- > (o< - A l a s t a i r P o r t e r > //\ > V_/_ alastair(a)linuxexperience.com > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > [Attachment: alastair(a)linuxexperience.com.sig]

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Fedora 2 and rpm denial
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 12 Jun '04

12 Jun '04

I just tried installing mplayer but got denied with this message: root(a)localhost john]# rpm -Uvh mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm error: mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: BAD, key ID e42d547b error: mplayer-1.0-0.10.pre4.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm cannot be installed >[root(a)localhost john]# Anyone able to help please. :( John.

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Software Patents.
by Oliver Jones 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

With all the discussion on the web about all the bad law in the US it is often easy to miss bad law in your own country. What is the situation in NZ with regard to software patents? I know there is lots of discussion on various OSS/FS sites about the current wrangling in the EU over software patents. Do we have evil laws in NZ regarding this? If we do it would probably be a good idea to start making some noise about it. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Unsubscribed posts
by Craig Box 10 Jun '04

10 Jun '04

There have been a couple of people post to the list lately and have their messages silently dropped because they are posting from addresses that are not subscribed. This policy is in place because we get far more spam than we ever get misplaced messages. If you want to post from an address other than the one you receive mail to, you can subscribe to the list "nomail" so you have posting privileges from that address, but you don't receive two copies of the posts. It just so happens there have been two real posts today, and while technically they get deleted straight away, I do actually get notified first. ;) Roger Oed and "Daniel" from Brazil, please resend your messages to the list. Craig 1. In the ultimate irony, I sent this initially from my work email address, which is not subscribed, and it bounced straight back into the notifications box! 2. In the ultimate stupidity, I resent it to wlug-committee instead of wlug! How hard can this BE?

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Running Lynx From Floppy
by Gabriel Bankier-Perry 31 May '04

31 May '04

I'm currently writing a rather extensive tutorial on how to install and configure Slackware 9.1 (http://gabes.orcon.net.nz/slackware_install.html) It's so extensive in fact that it would be stupid for someone to try and print it all out. Instead of getting them to print it out beforehand, I thought I could get them to save the page to a floppy and bring it up in Lynx before starting the installation ie. insert the install cd-rom, login as root, switch to a virtual console, mount the floppy disk, and read the webpage with lynx. That way they could keep switching back to the virtual console and reading the next step while setup was running. The problem was that lynx was not included as an executable on the disk (it was obviously avaliable as a package-yet-to-be-installed). I was now faced with the problem of not having access to a web browser with which to read the tutorial. The first thing I did was try and copy the lynx binary (/usr/bin/lynx) on my (already installed) system onto the same floppy disk as the saved webpage. When I tried to run it, it complained about a missing library (which is logical considering that I only copied the executable). My next thought was to get one of those Linux floppy-based Linux distributions (which usually has lynx). The problem is that I have no idea how I could load it (the floppy-based distro) once I had already booted the install cd. To reiterate, here's my problem: I need to run lynx from the slackware installation cd so I can read a file stored on a floppy disk. Lynx (as an exectutable) isn't found on the disk. How would I be able to run lynx from a floppy disk? Thanks. Note: The Slackware install disks work as live distro before you start the actual installation (ie. you can login and do partitioning, mounting, formatting etc.).

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Spam: Law vs Technology
by Oliver Jones 31 May '04

31 May '04

Personally I think that spam will not go away with new laws. Certainly some laws could be enhanced to give them scope to cover spam type acts but ultimately the problem is with technology not law. Certain things should be made illegal. Ie, domain or email forging. If you don't have permission from the domain or email owner to use an email address the address owner should be able to sue/prosecute. However the problem really is technological. SMTP is too trusting. We need ways of verifying the authenticity of sender addresses and their sources. If methods like SPF were universally adopted and turned on by default much of the problem with spam would go away. People could still send spam. But they would have to do it via "legitimate" servers. Ie, ones they owned. It would then be a case of blocking those servers/networks that repeatedly offended. People will argue that they shouldn't need to block servers. People should just stop sending spam. This however is more problematic than you might think. The problem with spam is not that it is unsolicited or commercial or bulk but rather that it is unwanted. The problem however is that you don't know it is unwanted until you read it. For example, say someone was overtly generous and very rich (and perhaps slightly crazy). If they send 2 million email messages to randomly harvested addresses giving them information on how to get a $100 would this mail necessarily be unwanted by the recipients. In today's environment people would be highly suspicious of this email but for the sake of argument imagine that the offer was legit. Why should this behaviour be illegal? Similarly would it be illegal to send 2 million snail mail envelopes to randomly selected addresses with $100 stuffed into each? People would be falling over themselves to get on this mailing list. I believe all we need is good law regarding fraud, false advertising, pornography and commercial entity identification accompanied by good user driven technology that enables network administrators to lock the bad guys out. So, everyone should configure their mail server with SPF immediately! Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] Help with fedora 2 please
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 28 May '04

28 May '04

Hi Glenn, I looked at the site, am totally clueless, will have to learn a little more about the o/s basics before I attempt to take this further. John.. > > Have a look at dri.sourceforge.net. You may need to > install one of dev snapshots. I have a Mobility U1 > (IGP320M) on my laptop and 3D acceleration works fine > with this. I get similar fps to the Windows versions. > > MergedFB however is broken for this chip and it doesn't > work with 2 monitors at once. I had to fool it into > thinking that the LCD doesn't exist to be able to set the > framerate on the CRT port to something other than 60 Hz. > > g > > > -- > Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 > http://www.componic.co.nz > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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creating folders
by Gun Caundle 27 May '04

27 May '04

I'm trying to create a new folder within the 'guncom' folder but can't. However I can create a new folder in the 'gun' folder. > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls > gun guncom > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ cd guncom > [gun(a)LinuxBox guncom]$ mkdir testsharing > mkdir: cannot create directory `testsharing': Permission denied > [gun(a)LinuxBox guncom]$ cd .. > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ cd gun > [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ mkdir whozyadaddy > [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ Any help with this would be appreciated. Gun Caundle

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Legislation Against Spam
by Perry Lorier 27 May '04

27 May '04

The government is currently requesting information from "interested parties" about drafting legislation against spam, as can be found here: http://www.med.govt.nz/pbt/infotech/spam/ As the LUG is a concentration of technically minded users, it seems that we would be a good candidate to put forward some comments. The government have asked 22 specific questions which are documented at the URL above. I've created a wiki page for people to discuss their ideas with the hope that in about a months time (when the submissions are due) we can take the comments and merge them into some kind of prose to submit to the government. After reading the above document, go over to http://www.wlug.org.nz/LegislatingAgainstSpam and add your comments :)

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RE: LDAP Browsers
by Gerwin van de Steeg 27 May '04

27 May '04

I use a program called LBE, it's java based so will run on nearly anything. http://www.msc.anl.gov/~gawor/ldap http://www.iit.edu/~gawojar/ldap Gerwin van de Steeg

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Help with fedora 2 please
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 May '04

26 May '04

Hi All, I am having a few of problems with fedora 2. The ati rage mobility card is working very slowly, ie chrominum is slow, choppy, cursor uncontrolable. programme is hard to get out of. Tux racer is working but very slow and graphics are not amazing. Also on boot it is not loading eth0 xircom cb for some reason. I still managed to configure the modem and can get on line. I have no clue on text editting so please just use small words and type slowly. :) Any help appreciated John (newbie) Thompson.

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Wifi PCMCIA Card Trade 2 for 1 ?
by Drew Broadley 25 May '04

25 May '04

I have two wifi PCMCIA card's I am willing to trade below: 1 * Netgear HA501 - 802.11a 1 * Belkin F5D6020 ver2 - 802.11b Neither of these work under my current OS (FreeBSD) and I am wanting to trade these two for a single 802.11b card that will work under FreeBSD (prism2 /prism2.5 chipset) Cheers, Drew

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Committee meeting minutes
by Craig Box 23 May '04

23 May '04

Minutes of last Wednesday's committee meeting are now up at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2004-05-19. Remember also tonights meeting at Crawshaw School, 7pm, on Linux at the Hamilton City Council. Craig

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(Commercial) Tux Sticker
by wlug.miguel＠ptaff.ca 23 May '04

23 May '04

>From Montreal Canada, hello Waikato! Having seen many Mac stickers on car's bumber, I thought that I could, me too, show what my colors are on my car. I searched on the internet to find a Tux sticker, this sympathetic antarctic animal. I was amazed and a bit sad when I discovered that such a thing doesn't exist. I then told myself: I will do one! My car is right now with a beautiful Tux sticker and everyone knows what my OS is. And I am proud to tell that I can offer it to all the community at: http://tuxsticker.ptaff.ca/ Miguel Tremblay

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May Meeting - Monday 24th
by Daniel Lawson 19 May '04

19 May '04

It seems we were slack in organising the May meeting. I'm blaming the Installfest for that. Shay McAuley from the Hamilton City Council has agreed to give a presentation on the use of Linux within the City Council. Where: Crawshaw School (http://www.wlug.org.nz/CrawshawSchool) When: 7pm Monday 24th May Note the early (winter-season) start time. Doors will be open from about 6:45. Daniel

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FC2 Discs?
by Oliver Jones 19 May '04

19 May '04

Anyone got the Fedora Core 2 discs yet? All binary discs: 1,2,3,4 & Rescue. If so I'd dearly like a copy. I can supply replacement blanks or funds to cover effort. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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LDAP browsers
by Daniel Lawson 18 May '04

18 May '04

I just noticed Luma (http://luma.sourceforge.net/) linked off freshmeat. It's already up to v 1.20, so i'm not sure how I missed it this long. It's an LDAP browser / editor. Has anyone had experience using Luma? I've used GQ up till now, as I didn't know of any other decent generic LDAP browsers (ones like DirectoryAdministrator were very much targetted at a specific use and schema set). There's no ebuild for gentoo yet, so i'll have to compile from scratch. I'll have a look at it tonight. Daniel

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FW: international Open Source Community :)
by Craig Box 17 May '04

17 May '04

(This was sent to someone in Samoa and CC'd to me.) Hello I'm sorry if i writing not to right adress. For example if you Bill Gates :) I'm linux user. I from russia if you can see. You country is very interesting and i want find new friends in it.:) Especially linux Users ;-) i think Open Source haven't mete(border) :)isn't it? Can you help me? and i want to know how popular linux in your country. What perspective have linux in you country etc.... if you have a few times for me you can give me few information. P.S.Hi from www.saratov.lug.ru Saratov(RUssia) Linux User Group .

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Fedora Core 2.
by Oliver Jones 17 May '04

17 May '04

Anyone on a cheap Internet link downloading Fedora Core 2? If someone would be so kind I would like to acquire a copy. I would download it myself but business Jetstream is expensive and we've blown our monthly cap on E3 videos. :) Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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InterNAT field trials
by Jim Fleming 17 May '04

17 May '04

The 5-letter (or less) .NET domain names are being used for the InterNAT field trials. Those provide FREE (as in $$s) allocations of static address space and ASNs for short names. http://ipv8.no-ip.com/cgi-bin/vanety25?a=L&b=U&c=N&d=I&e=_ Local help is available to set up your DSL and/or Cable sub-nets. It is best to have your .NET domain name before you attempt to connect. A.NET #include <stdio.h> /* * * vanety25 * * Convert a 5-symbol .NET name to prefix information. * * vanety25 addressing is based on a 32-Symbol Alphabet. * The 26 letters A to Z are included, along with the digits 0,8,1 and 3. * The (R) Symbol and Dash (-) are also included. * */ int addr; int asn; extern void v8_whois(int); main(argc,argv) int argc; char **argv; { int i; char c; char *p; char input[5]; printf("Content-type: text/html\n\n"); printf("<body><html><center><h3>InterNAT Resources for:</h3>"); if(argc != 2){ printf("example usage: %s -UNIR\n",argv[0]); exit(); } if(p = strstr(argv[1],"a=")){ input[0]= *(p+2); } else{ input[0] = 0; } if(p = strstr(argv[1],"b=")){ input[1]= *(p+2); } else{ input[1] = 0; } if(p = strstr(argv[1],"c=")){ input[2]= *(p+2); } else{ input[2] = 0; } if(p = strstr(argv[1],"d=")){ input[3]= *(p+2); } else{ input[3] = 0; } if(p = strstr(argv[1],"e=")){ input[4]= *(p+2); } else{ input[4] = 0; } addr=0; for(i=0; i<5; i++){ if(input[i] == 0){ break; } c = toupper(input[i]); if(isalpha(c)){ addr += c-'A'+1; } else{ switch(c){ case '0': addr += 27; break; case '8': addr += 28; break; case '1': addr += 29; break; case '3': addr += 30; break; case '-': addr += 31; } } addr <<= 5; } asn = addr>>5; printf("<b>"); v8_whois(addr); printf(".NET</b><br>\n"); printf("%d.%d.%d.%d.%d",(addr>>25)&0x1f,(addr>>20)&0x1f,(addr>>15)&0x1f,(addr>>10)&0x1f,(addr>>5)&0x1f); printf("<table border=3>"); for(i=0; i<4; i++){ printf("<tr><td align=center>"); v8_print_i32x5(addr); printf("</td><td align=center>\n"); printf("%d.%d.%d.%d",(addr>>24)&0xff,(addr>>16)&0xff,(addr>>8)&0xff,addr&0xff); printf("</td><td align=center>\n"); v8_print_i32x8(addr); printf("</td></tr>\n"); addr += 0x40000000; } printf("</table>\n"); printf("Mask: 63.255.255.224"); if((asn&0xFFFF8000)==0){ printf("<table border=3>\n"); printf("<tr><td align=center>"); printf("ASN0</td><td align=center>%d</td><td align=center>",asn); v8_print_i32x5(asn); printf("</td></tr>"); printf("<tr><td align=center>"); printf("ASN1</td><td align=center>%d</td><td align=center>",asn|0x8000); v8_print_i32x5(asn|0x8000); printf("</td></tr>"); printf("</table>\n"); } printf("</center>\n"); printf("</body>\n"); printf("</html>\n"); } #include <stdio.h> /* * * IPv8 Support Library * */ /* * * The IPv8 .NET alphabet consists of 32 symbols. * A void or 0 is represented as the (R) ® Symbol. * The letters A to Z are supported with only one case. * The numeric symbols 0, 8, 1 and 3 are also supported. * Lastly, the Dash (-) is included. * */ static char v8_alpha32_table[] = {'A','B','C','D','E','F','G','H','I','J','K','L','M','N','O','P','Q','R','S','T','U','V','W','X','Y','Z','0','8','1','3','-'}; /* * * Given a 32-bit value, extract and print the 25-bit prefix. * */ v8_whois(i) int i; { int j; int m; for(j=0; j<5; j++){ m=(i>>25)&0x1f; if(m==0){ printf("®"); } else{ putchar(v8_alpha32_table[m-1]); } i <<= 5; } } v8_print_i32x8(value) int value; { putchar(value&0x80000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x40000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x20000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x10000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x08000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x04000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x02000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x01000000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00800000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00400000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00200000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00100000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00080000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00040000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00020000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00010000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00008000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00004000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00002000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00001000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000800?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000400?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000200?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000100?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00000080?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000040?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000020?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000010?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000008?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000004?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000002?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000001?'1':'0'); } v8_print_i32x5(value) int value; { putchar(value&0x80000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x40000000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x20000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x10000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x08000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x04000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x02000000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x01000000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00800000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00400000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00200000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00100000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00080000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00040000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00020000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00010000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00008000?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00004000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00002000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00001000?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000800?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000400?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00000200?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000100?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000080?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000040?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000020?'1':'0'); putchar('.'); putchar(value&0x00000010?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000008?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000004?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000002?'1':'0'); putchar(value&0x00000001?'1':'0'); }

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nfsroot
by Jonathan Purvis 15 May '04

15 May '04

Hi, I have managed to get my iMac to netboot the Linux kernel. The kernel seems to load fine, but stops with a kernel panic as it can't mount the root filesystem. I'm using the default 2.4 kernel from Debian 3.0. As per the instructions for yaboot (the Open Firmware boot loader that LinuxPPC uses), i set "root=/dev/nfs". Is this what i'm supposed to do to get / mounted via NFS? Is this a sign the kernel doesn't have nfsroot support? I found a web page that suggested i add "fsroot=$SERVER:/export/root", but that didn't help. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jon

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Upcoming committee meeting
by Craig Box 13 May '04

13 May '04

Per the WLUG charter, we'd like to inform you that there is an WLUG committee meeting to be held next Wednesday, 19 May. Tentative Agenda 1. Minutes from previous meeting 2. Treasurer's Report 3. Correspondence 4. Installfest - Summary 5. General Business If you want to have an item added to this agenda, please contact me at secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. Craig, Secretary

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serial terminal program
by Glenn Ramsey 12 May '04

12 May '04

I want to give my modem an ATL0 to see if I can make it quieter. What program do I use for this? g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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compiling 2.6.5 kernel from rh9 .. a better distro?
by Stephen Pearce 11 May '04

11 May '04

Recently downloaded the 2.6.5 kernel from kernel.org as a tgz source file .. and tried to install on rh9 .. but the new installation fails at boot. I am now thinking of converting to an alternative distro that will allow this easily .. I understand rh has a whole lot of distro specfic stuff which has to be organised .. Could someone advise me on either how to get it going using rh9 .. or which alternate distro would be best ..rh is the one I'm familiar with. Also ..can you install a new distro without a reformat of the disk .. to preserve all my personal files? Lastly, can anyone provide me with a copy of such a distro .. I can pay postage and media cost. Thanks Stephen Pearce

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creating directories
by Gun Caundle 11 May '04

11 May '04

I am trying to create a directory in my 'home' directory with my user login. However I can only create a directory as a root user and thus can't use it with my user login. I can use the 'gun' directory in 'home' with my user login. Any help would be appreciated. [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ mkdir adelle mkdir: cannot create directory `adelle': Permission denied [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ su Password: [root(a)LinuxBox home]# mkdir adelle [root(a)LinuxBox home]# exit exit [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls -ld drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 May 12 08:55 . [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ cd gun [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ ls -ld drwx------ 25 gun gun 4096 May 12 08:54 . [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ cd .. [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls -ld adelle drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 12 08:55 adelle [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$

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RE: [wlug] creating directories
by Lindsay Druett 11 May '04

11 May '04

[gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls -ld drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 May 12 08:55 . As you can see with the home directory, The owner of the directory has read/write/execute access. The group of the directory has read/execute access (No write access). Everyone else has read/execute access (No write access). Incidentally, root has full control of adelle, and if adelle is a user, tough, adelle ony is seen as Joe Public and has read execute access. For security reasons, I would leave it as is (and login as root to create subdirectories - this sort of thing should be automated when a new user is created - each user should have their own directory to do whatever and that should pertain to that user) but if you feel another way inclined want to have full control as a user, then chown gun home chgrp gun home Or else if you want want everyone to have rw access the chmod 777 home I hope this helps. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gun Caundle [mailto:gun(a)paradise.net.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 09:36 > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [wlug] creating directories > > > I am trying to create a directory in my 'home' directory > with my user > login. However I can only create a directory as a root user and thus > can't use it with my user login. I can use the 'gun' directory in > 'home' with my user login. > Any help would be appreciated. > > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ mkdir adelle > mkdir: cannot create directory `adelle': Permission denied > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ su > Password: > [root(a)LinuxBox home]# mkdir adelle > [root(a)LinuxBox home]# exit > exit > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls -ld > drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 May 12 08:55 . > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ cd gun > [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ ls -ld > drwx------ 25 gun gun 4096 May 12 08:54 . > [gun(a)LinuxBox gun]$ cd .. > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ ls -ld adelle > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 12 08:55 adelle > [gun(a)LinuxBox home]$ > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Xandros 2.0
by Nigel Nguyen 11 May '04

11 May '04

Hi, I have tried xandros for a couple weeks, it nice and easy to install/use. Well, just feel like Andreas, same Yoper but Canadian(i believed they from Canada, Andreas :) ) It recommended for newbies and windows mover as they X/team has tweaked some features to get their own filemanager and the software depository (called XandrosNetwork). Installed stuff outside that is just normal as install on other debian based distro or just configure/make/make install. Overall, easy to use but less "fun" of course. IMO, if yoper has the GUI installation (i havn't tried the 2.0 yet) than Yoper is a clear winner as newbies always scare of text thing thou :) Just a few comments, Nigel Ng. P.S: Do anyone know if Yoper has new zealand mirror for downloading ?

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Performance bottle neck?
by Raymond Burgess 11 May '04

11 May '04

I am currently importing a lot of data into a Postgres Database. Initially things where quickish, but now it seems to be running very slowly. I put this down to index scans. The machine is a Dual P4 with 2 GB of ram and a Raid array (14 Fibre Channel Harddrives) Top is reporting the disk cache is 1.7 GB and system idle around 70%. The postgres backend is using 10% to 20% of one CPU. I don't know if the bottleneck is the Disk IO or Ram. What would people suggest I can look at to see what is holding up the process?

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Xandros 2.0 SE
by Gible Fog 10 May '04

10 May '04

'llo :) Included with the aussie PC Authority's April issue is a copy of Xandros 2.0 SE which I shall (attempt to) install if and when I get time. Any comments/opinions/gripes/warnings about this distro? Love & Spikes Gible "Arguing on Usenet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded." - James McGuigan in rec.games.computer.stars

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Yoper V2 is out
by Andreas Girardet 10 May '04

10 May '04

Hello fellow Linux enthusiasts Version 2 of Yoper (iso date 20040509) is now available on http://www.yoper.com. Main changes are: - RPM based - Apt-rpm support and repository available - More than 400 packages now available - Yoper is not commercial anymore - Installer allows a fully apt capable minimal install (around 300Mbyte) - The KDE experience has been extended by including Openoffice with full KDE look and Geramik as a GTK KDE theme - Synaptic is now the graphical package management system - 400 packages (including Gnome) are available via apt - Yoper is still i686 optimised and performance patches from Con Kolivas bring even greater speed Regards Andreas Girardet

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Installfest aftermath
by Daniel Lawson 10 May '04

10 May '04

We've just finished tidying up after the installfest. I think we had about 30 registrants, but I'm sure more than that came throughout the day. I'm pretty sure we got linux onto a few peoples computers, and we solved a good number of problems. Let's hope we didn't create more than we solved :). Out of interest, I checked the usage graphs for the Internet link, and we peaked at 170 KB/sec at one point during the day. Next time I'd like to enforce use of a proxy server, as I'm sure most of that traffic was duplicated a few times. While I remember, I'd like to fire off a few points: * I think it was a great success. We had many new people turn up - some from as far away as Waihi at least - and it was a really great atmosphere. * Thanks to everyone who helped. The entire committee, Bruce, Alastair, Matthias, Lindsay, Alan, Shay, Shane and all the rest who helped people out during the day. Big ups :). * Thanks to Lindsay / University of Waikato ITS for supplying the Cisco Catalyst 5000 and 2926 switches. * Thanks to Phil / Open 2 View for providing the server. Thanks Carich for going into receivership and allowing Open 2 View to buy lots of your old computing equipment . * Thanks to Crawshaw School for the use of the Hall and facilities, and the use of the Internet connection. Thanks also to Satlan, Crawshaw's Internet provider. * Thanks to DSE for giving us some Mandrake 9.2 cds. We still have a handful of these left, so if anyone would like a copy of this, yell out, you can pick it up at the next meeting. * Thanks to IT Partners for providing "CD Duplication Facilities". And thanks again to everyone who turned up. We've learned a bit about running these, so hopefully next time things will run a bit smoother - we should have enough tables at least! Daniel

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Installfest
by Gun Caundle 09 May '04

09 May '04

Thanx to all those that organised the Installfest. > It was very successful for me and the help I got is very much > appreciated. As a bonus, it gave me a buzz watching these guys > zooming around linux files making changes. Their skill and knowledge > level blew me away. > > Cheers > Gun Caundle

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Installfest roundup
by Craig Box 09 May '04

09 May '04

Hi there, Thanks to everyone who came to the installfest today, and a special thanks to all those who helped out; especially Matt for all the organizing, Daniel for the venue and Bruce for rousing all the attendants! We had a lot of people signing up as a token of their gratitude - thank you very much; those of you who didn't pay today will want to check https://secure.wlug.org.nz/join.html to figure out what to do next. Just a note to a gentleman named David, who gave us Mandrake 10 - you paid and filled out a membership form, which I think you took with you. Can you contact me off list, if you're out there, or if anyone knows David can they please ask him to get in touch. I'm sure you'll hear more from others about this event soon. If you came, and have any questions or comments, please feel free to post them to this list. Regards, Craig

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Installfest is this weekend
by Daniel Lawson 06 May '04

06 May '04

As you are all probably aware, the WLUG Installfest is happening this weekend, Saturday 8 May, at Crawshaw Primary School. Directions and information can be obtained from the WLUG Wiki, at http://www.wlug.org.nz/InstallFest. If you are planning on coming, please please please register your interest. We'd like to have a rough idea of how many tables to put out, how many meters of power and network cabling we need, and how many sachets of Raro to buy. This also applies if you have talked to people and they are keen on coming - get them to register as well, or register a separate time for their entry. Thanks a lot, we hope to see a lot of you on Saturday. Daniel

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Network profiles in Mandrake
by Glenn Ramsey 05 May '04

05 May '04

Anyone know how to get network profiles working in Mandrake? The whole system seems to be badly broken, but then again I may have set it up wrong. What I want is to set up a home profile and a University profile on my laptop. Home needs a static ip and University needs dhcp. Actually home could use dhcp too but then if I boot when not connected to a network it takes forever to time out looking for the dhcp server. I have tried to set this up using netdrake (or whatever it's called) but the ip address settings ie static/dhcp etc seem to be independent of the profile, so there isn't really any point to using it. Any suggestions? g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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'Automatic' kernel patching
by Daniel Lawson 03 May '04

03 May '04

Just saw an article about automatic kernel patching linked off rootprompt.org Ketchup is a script that intelligently downloads the right files for a kernel. EG, if you want to grab the latest kernel source, and you have nothing, it'll just grab the source. If you already have an earlier version, it'll grab the right patches to bring that version up to speed. It also understands a range of patchsets, such as the -pre or -rc kernels, and some of the extra patchsets such as the -mm, -tiny and -mjb patchsets. http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2976 http://www.selenic.com/ketchup/

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Mysql support in apache /php
by Stephen Pearce 03 May '04

03 May '04

Hi Any experts on this out there? I have set up a mysql database running on a server. The database is loadable and can be interacted with via mysql client using a telnet session. A basic php script running on the httpd server <?php phpinfo() ?> returns a result suggesting mysql is supported ..under the dbx subheading of the return .. but if I run the "mysql_connect" command the web page shows a error saying that this function (mysql_connect()) is not supported .. I cannot work out why not. Secondly I would ideally have liked to create the database as non root .. but seem to only be allowed to do it as root. Other users can readily access it. The os is rh9. Oddly, setting this up locally on my laptop there is no problem in running mysql_connect despite the installation being essentially identical (although I did use mysql rpm binaries to set up mysql). Any thought appreciated Stephen :>)

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RE: [wlug] Programming Courses ?
by David Nicholls 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

Hi gavin check out these courses at the uni (comp-sci)... comp103 comp130 and possibly comp208 comp258 Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] Subject: Re: [wlug] Programming Courses ? Thanks for the interesting comments to date, Just to fine tune my thinking, If a new programmer learnt C++ and then was handed some C code for tidy up, he would probably manage ok ??? Of course since no courses seem to be available, it may come down to books and self learning anyway. Both the polytech and uni are sending me course details, but neither course call centre understood a bean of what I asked.

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Programming Courses ?
by Gavin Denby 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

Having lasted 25 years as an electronic Tech, I am needing to expand to cope with the continued blurring of the line between when the electronics start and the Programming of PC's takes over. I already write assembler for microcontrollers (programming from 2K to 2 meg in assembler) and really should be using c for this, but have never took the time to learn it.I have however programed in both Portran (port-a Punch) and basic many years ago. Ancient history lesson ends I basically need to program PC's to set up/ colect data/ process data and probably via a graphical interface. so my question ... in 2 parts: 1. Is C still a viable language to learn to write programs for PC/MAC Ideally in Win MacOSX (cocoa looks nice) and Linux or should I be looking at C# / Mono / QT / ?? It seems that all later programming languages seem to be adding to C (extend .. embrace ??) so Would C be a good start place ? All opinions welcome.... and crystal ball gazing will be entertained. 2. Does anyone have experience with a good course / course provider that they would recommend to provide such training. I would prefer part time training, as my family like to eat, but this is flexible, as I can work nights/weekend is the course is not too long. Of course, then I could apply for the job that just hit my inbox too :-) Thanks in advance.

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Re: [wlug] Pentium 200, free to a good home.
by Stephen Pearce 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

If you still have it .. probably not .. I'm interested Thanks Stephen pearce > > From: Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> > Date: 2004/04/19 Mon PM 08:54:16 GMT+12:00 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Subject: [wlug] Pentium 200, free to a good home. > > Pentium 200, 64MB SIMM RAM, AT Case & Motherboard. Free to a good > home. Take it now or I chuck it. > > Regards > -- > Oliver Jones Â» Director Â» oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com Â» +64 (21) 41 > 2238 > Deeper Design Limited Â» +64 (7) 377 3328 Â» www.deeperdesign.com > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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OT Programming Job
by Craig Mckenna 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Wanted: Programmer/s with HTML, Perl and Java experience, preferably on a linux platform. This is for an immediate project requirement. Must have database experience. Please contact simon(a)eforms.co.nz to arrange a meeting. We are based in Hamilton and have an excellent coffee machine! -- Craig Mckenna IT Systems Manager Eforms Limited

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iptables question
by DrWho? 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

This has more then likely been asked by a million people with a million different answers but here goes. I was wondering if it is possible for iptables to filter by a domain name? I would like to restrict port 80 connects to .nz domains only and all others are stealthed. The solution does not need to be very fast, handle more then one high level domain or any other ports and is not for commercial usage. Any solutions?

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RE: Perl spelling rules (was: [wlug] iptables question [OT])
by Lindsay Druett 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

HeY yOu FoGoT tO dO tHe SuBjEcT > -----OrIgInAl mEsSaGe----- > From: A. pAgAlTzIs [mailto:pAgAlTzIs(a)gMx.dE] > Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 13:59 > To: wAiKaTo lInUx uSeRs gRoUp > Subject: Re: Perl spelling rules (was: [wlug] iptables question [OT]) > > > * OrIoN(a)CoKe.nEt.nZ <oRiOn(a)cOkE.NeT.Nz> [2004-04-27 03:21]: > > FiLeSyStEmS WhIcH ArE PeDaNtIc aBoUt cAsE ArE StUpId. HuMaNs > > WhIcH ArE PeDaNtIc aBoUt tHe cAsE Of aN AcRoNyM ArE 100 TiMeS > > WoRsE. > > i bEt yOu cArE AbOuT CaSe aS WeLl. > > -- > ReGaRdS, > ArIsToTlE > > "iF YoU CaN'T LaUgH At yOuRsElF, yOu dOn't tAkE LiFe > sErIoUsLy eNoUgH." > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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ms access 97 to apache/php/mysql
by Stephen Pearce 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

Is there an automated way to take an access 97 database and port it to mysql .. and convert the forms for php access using apche? (I have apache/php and mysqld operating on a networked server .. and am now trying to do the port) Thanks Stephen

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RE: [wlug] iptables question
by Lindsay Druett 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

Well, that address space wasn't featured on the Auckland Peering Exchange, Mmm... > -----Original Message----- > From: pdm1-forwarding > Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 11:43 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] iptables question > > > Lindsay Druett wrote: > > What ? All of it ? > > > > But someone mentioned that there are bits of it over in Japan. > > Someone else mentioned that it was all over the show. > > That would have been a more recent assignment, I don't think APNIC > > even see Telecom as a big enough player to assign a full /8 block. > > > > They got assigned 222.152/16. I have one of these addresses > on my home DSL > and I can't get to various portions of the internet, can be > quite annoying. > > Philip Murray > Systems Engineer - Open2view.com > webmaster(a)open2view.com > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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RE: [wlug] iptables question
by Lindsay Druett 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

Of course they are, which means getting a /24 block might be a bit easier, and that they stand a chance for a /16 block. > -----Original Message----- > From: Drew Broadley [mailto:drew(a)corrupt.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 11:44 > To: 'Waikato Linux Users Group' > Subject: RE: [wlug] iptables question > > > > I don't think APNIC even see Telecom as a big enough player > to assign > a > > full /8 block. > > Last I saw they were a medium membership holder. > > Surely they would "care" about that sized customer ? > > - Drew > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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RE: [wlug] iptables question
by Lindsay Druett 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

What ? All of it ? But someone mentioned that there are bits of it over in Japan. Someone else mentioned that it was all over the show. That would have been a more recent assignment, I don't think APNIC even see Telecom as a big enough player to assign a full /8 block. Anyway, not my problem... > -----Original Message----- > From: Drew Broadley [mailto:drew(a)corrupt.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 11:13 > To: 'Waikato Linux Users Group' > Subject: RE: [wlug] iptables question > > > > Dunno... Who has that one ? > > Who knows, everything under my administrative control was in > > there, so I'm happy with it... > > Xtra's Flatrate 256k Netblock. > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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RE: [wlug] iptables question
by Lindsay Druett 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

Dunno... Who has that one ? Who knows, everything under my administrative control was in there, so I'm happy with it... > -----Original Message----- > From: Drew Broadley [mailto:drew(a)corrupt.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 09:50 > To: 'Waikato Linux Users Group' > Subject: RE: [wlug] iptables question > > > > Here you go... > > Auckland Peering Exchnage's peering list would be a good start... > > > > <prefix-list> > > Where is 222/8 ? :) > > - Drew > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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RE: [wlug] iptables question
by Lindsay Druett 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

Yeah, so if you decided to go down the path that Bruce suggested which was to allow only source addresses from within New Zealand networks to do normal port 80 web traffic, then the first place I would look is the BGP prefix lists on the New Zealand's primary peering point, and worry about the rest later if that becomes a problem. As I said, this is a good start... > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Stevenson [mailto:richard(a)endace.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 10:09 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: RE: [wlug] iptables question > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Lindsay Druett wrote: > > > Dunno... Who has that one ? > > 222/8 is spread all over APNIC space... KDDI (in Japan) has > 222.0.0.0/12, > if I calculate my bits correctly. > > Cheers > > R > > > Who knows, everything under my administrative control was > in there, so > > I'm happy with it... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Drew Broadley [mailto:drew(a)corrupt.co.nz] > > > Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 09:50 > > > To: 'Waikato Linux Users Group' > > > Subject: RE: [wlug] iptables question > > > > > > > > > > Here you go... > > > > Auckland Peering Exchnage's peering list would be a > good start... > > > > > > > > <prefix-list> > > > > > > Where is 222/8 ? :) > > -- > Richard Stevenson > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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food for installfest thought
by Gavin Denby 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

Ok its really nothing to do with the installfest, But here is an interesting article comparing a mandrake and win2k install on a system. All the rules and issues are there, but its a fair view on the install processes of 2 OS's Its a fun read, we all know it of course, but for those that are not forced to do Windows installs, it exposes some of the problems with installing Windows onto a machine. If you have time its worth looking at . Have a nice day. (and no I don't use either of these versions, so I can't discuss the findings.)

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RE: [wlug] iptables question
by Lindsay Druett 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: zcat [mailto:zcat(a)wired.net.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 08:01 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] iptables question > > > DrWho? wrote: > > > My idea was to use a callback too hook port 80 and use a > perl script > > to reverse lookup the ip address and look for .nz at the > end and pass > > fail there after. > > PAINFUL!! > > If you wanted it hidden you'd have do blackhole the port by default, > sniff for attempted connections, look up the address, change > firewalling > on the fly.. and you're opening yourself up for a huge self-DoS if > someone spoofs millions of random SYN packets at you. > > I believe there's a list of IP ranges that are allocated within New > Zealand. configure your box to accept those and blackhole everything > else. End of problem. > > Here you go... 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permit 202.49.178.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.180.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.183.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.186.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.189.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.198.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.200.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.206.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.208.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.212.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.214.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.224.0/20 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.240.0/21 ge 22 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.250.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.49.252.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.50.0.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.50.16.0/20 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.50.49.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.50.52.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.50.57.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.50.60.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 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202.50.192.0/19 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.50.240.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.50.244.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.50.252.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.50.255.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.53.176.0/20 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.62.116.0/23 le 29 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.65.32.0/19 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.68.94.0/23 le 27 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.73.192.0/20 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.74.192.0/20 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.78.128.0/19 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.83.32.0/19 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.86.96.0/21 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.89.32.0/19 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.89.128.0/19 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.124.96.0/20 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.127.8.0/22 le 29 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.20.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.38.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.48.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.62.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.64.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.85.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.86.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.112.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.115.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.116.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.142.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.182.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.190.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.192.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.135.231.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.147.35.128/25 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.154.128.0/19 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.175.128.0/20 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.180.64.0/18 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 202.182.192.0/20 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 203.21.24.0/21 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 203.26.179.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 203.79.64.0/18 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 203.96.0.0/18 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 203.96.119.0/24 ip 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pl100 permit 203.163.86.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 203.163.98.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 203.167.128.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 203.173.128.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.48.0.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.54.0.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.54.12.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.54.32.0/21 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.54.56.0/21 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.54.128.0/21 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.54.142.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.54.148.0/22 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.54.152.0/21 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.54.211.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.54.252.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.55.0.0/25 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.55.1.0/25 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.55.4.0/23 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.55.7.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.55.8.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.55.10.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 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prefix-list pl100 permit 210.55.228.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.55.230.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.55.248.0/21 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 210.246.0.0/18 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 218.101.0.0/17 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 218.101.56.0/24 ge 25 le 29 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 219.88.103.0/24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 219.88.128.0/20 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 permit 219.88.224.0/19 ge 20 le 24 ip prefix-list pl100 deny 0.0.0.0/0 le 32 Yeah go on.... 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Firewall script problem
by Gun Caundle 25 Apr '04

25 Apr '04

I am a newbie trying to create a firewall on RH9. I am using a script from the RH9 bible (p507). I am running a section at a time. What I have so far: # (1) Policies (default) iptables _P INPUT DROP iptables -P OUTPUT DROP iptables -P FORWARD DROP # (2) user-defined chain for ACCEPTED TCP packets iptables -N okay iptables -A okay -p TCP --syn -j ACCEPT iptables -A okay -p TCP -m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT iptables -A okay -p TCP -j DROP This line is giving me some grief: 'iptables -A okay -p TCP -m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT' Because I get this error when I run it. 'firescript: line 23: ESTABLISHED,RELATED: command not found' The author says this line "allows through packets associated with an ESTABLISHED connection (one that has already had traffic pass through the interface) or a RELATED connection (one that is starting a new connection related to an already-established connection) Are there other commands I could use or another line of script that would do the same job? Any help would be appreciated. Gun Caundle

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 25 Apr '04

25 Apr '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Linux as a Personal Video Recorder ([PVR]). In particular, looking at [MythTV], although I'll investigate the other options if I have time. Date: Monday 26 April 2004%%% Time: 7:00pm onwards - __Please note new time!__ %%% Location: CrawshawSchool%%%

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Fw: [wlug] Firewall script problem
by Craig Box 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

(Forwarded from Mark Grimshaw) Hi Gun, It may be something as simple as the 'ACCEPT' being on a different line to the main body of the command and therefore being treated as a command itself which will obviously lead to an error (although that could be word wrap in email clients). Try putting it on the same line. Mark G. On 24 Apr 2004 at 9:21, Gun Caundle wrote: > I am a newbie trying to create a firewall on RH9. I am using a script > from the RH9 bible (p507). I am running a section at a time. What I > have so far: > > # (1) Policies (default) > iptables _P INPUT DROP > iptables -P OUTPUT DROP > iptables -P FORWARD DROP > > > # (2) user-defined chain for ACCEPTED TCP packets > iptables -N okay > iptables -A okay -p TCP --syn -j ACCEPT > iptables -A okay -p TCP -m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > iptables -A okay -p TCP -j DROP > > This line is giving me some grief: > 'iptables -A okay -p TCP -m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT' > Because I get this error when I run it. > 'firescript: line 23: ESTABLISHED,RELATED: command not found' > > The author says this line "allows through packets associated with an > ESTABLISHED connection (one that has already had traffic pass through > the interface) or a RELATED connection (one that is starting a new > connection related to an already-established connection) > > Are there other commands I could use or another line of script that > would do the same job? Any help would be appreciated. > > Gun Caundle

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[Administrivia] WLUG Committee Mailing List
by daniel＠meta.net.nz 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

One of the points of order raised at the last WLUG Committee meeting regarded the wlug-committee mailing list. For those of you who aren't aware of the current situation, the wlug-committee mailing list is a moderated mailing list available for the commitee members to discuss committee business. As such, only committee members can post. However, in the interests of open policy, and not least because we are a group concerned with open standards and discussions, the wlug-committee mailing list available for read-only access for general paid-up LUG members. However, it is important that anyone who wishes to read the wlug-committee mailing list understands a few points: * You are allowed to read the list, but you are not given write access. This is primarily because you have elected the committee to act on your behalf, and it is up to the committee to make the decisions. If you feel strongly about something you may forward your point to any committee member, who may act upon it. This does not mean they will raise your point immediately, nor does it mean they will forward your email direct to the wlug-committee list. * The list is there for the purpose of committee discussions. As such, the committee needs to be able to have candid discussions. * Once a final decision is made, the committee may inform the rest of the LUG if appropriate. However, until the committee has committed to a decision, you have no permission to act upon it. * If the committee wishes to ask for general input on a point, then it is up to the committee to do so. We have decided to keep the wlug-committee mailing list the way it is for now, despite some recent events which have lead, it seems, a great deal of confusion in external groups to the LUG. Had the above guidelines been understood beforehand, this would not have happened. It is important to us that if you choose to read the wlug-committee mailing list, you adhere to the above guidelines. We don't want to have to close the list to non-committee members completely. Daniel El Presidente :)

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mail clients and archiving
by Glenn Ramsey 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

Hi, Does anyone know if any of the popular/stable mail clients have an archiving feature? If not then what is a good way to archive mail? Ideally I'd like something where I can say "archive all mail older than X" or something like that. I am using maildir so I guess I could just use shell commands to find all the old files but a method where I don't have to think too hard or read a zillion different man pages would be better ;-). g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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InstallFest Progress
by Matt Brown 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

Hi, I wanted to keep everybody up to date on how progress with planning for the InstallFest is going. Keep an eye on www.wlug.org.nz/InstallFest for the latest details. We have confirmed the date (8 May) and venue Crawshaw School. The InstallFest will run from 11am to 4pm. Advertising is well underway but the most effective form of advertising we can get is word of mouth, tell all your friends and then bring them along on the day. Please register first so we know how many people are likely to be there! While we are calling the event an InstallFest we really want it to be much more than that, we want it to be a social event for the lug, even if you already have linux installed and do not plan to install anything on the day feel free to come along. You don't even need to be a paid member of WLUG to participate. What happens on the day will really be determined by who is there, obviously our first priority will be installing Linux for new people who attend, but if time allows and there are interested people there it is feasible that we could also have some other activities based around various applications etc. I've got no idea what form that sort of thing would take, if we would have time, or if people are interested in that sort of thing. The InstallFest is not just for new linux users (although that is the primary focus). One idea that I think would be quite cool if time permitted would be to have a bug finding / squashing or documentation party where pick a peice of software and as a group work towards making this better. The benefit of this is that there are lots of different tasks that can be done, if you're not a programmer you can test and look for bugs, if you are a programmer you can hack around in the code etc. Anyway, I'm starting to ramble and I'm really just throwing out ideas rather than describing existing plans - the point is we want everyone who is involved in the LUG to come and be at the InstallFest, given enough people we could easily have a group doing new installs while other people are doing something else. So consider this a challenge, we've never done an InstallFest before, it's new and interesting, get in and support your LUG by being involved! -- Matt Brown Email: matt(a)mattb.net.nz GSM : 021 611 544

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RE: [wlug] Request for old hardware.
by David Nicholls 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

Sorry cant remember, its been a while since I last looked. But it uses scsi and once again is free for the taking for anyone who even just wants to take a peep. Warning: it's a big sod so anyone planning on using a carrybag and motor scooter to transport it, beware... Its heavy and I repeat large! :) Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Simon Anderson [mailto:oob(a)wildstar.net] Subject: RE: [wlug] Request for old hardware. Hello David, What type of Sun server do you have ? Regards, SImon. On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, David Nicholls wrote: > I have an old sun server if you want that... Unknown working order at > this stage but it should be working (just minus HDDs). free > > Cheers... > david >

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RE: [wlug] Request for old hardware.
by David Nicholls 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

I have an old sun server if you want that... Unknown working order at this stage but it should be working (just minus HDDs). free Cheers... david -----Original Message----- Wondering if anyone out there has any old PCs, they don't require anymore? Preferably greater than 133MHz, that they want taken off their hands. :) Also interested if anyone has any old Sun Sparcstation/IPXs, they don't need anymore. Almost anything considered :D Thanks, Lance. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Request for old hardware.
by Lance Fitz-Herbert 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Wondering if anyone out there has any old PCs, they don't require anymore? Preferably greater than 133MHz, that they want taken off their hands. :) Also interested if anyone has any old Sun Sparcstation/IPXs, they don't need anymore. Almost anything considered :D Thanks, Lance. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Spare RAM.
by Nigel Nguyen 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi there, I've just joined the mailing list. Just an email to say hi to everyone. The other thing, I have some spare 128 - PC133 Ram @ home. So if you guys need to speed up the server, then let me know where and to whom I can drop it. With best wishes, Nigel Ng. P.S: I did see the bank account on the internet but who is the bank acc holder as my bank asked for the holder thou. Thanks for respone.

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P200 for free.
by Oliver Jones 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

A number of people have expressed interest in the P200. Please note that I am in Taupo. You either have to come get it or pay the $20 in postage it'll probably cost to send it to Hamilton. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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how to find files with multiple suffixes
by Glenn Ramsey 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

How do I find files having either of several extensions? Eg this finds all .c and .h files $find . -name '*.[ch]' but what if I want to find all .cpp and .h files? I guess I need a grouping operator in the pattern but I can't figure out what it is. I've looked in the man page and Google and tried a few things, also tried the -regex switch instead of -name but couldn't get it to work. Eg this doesn't find anything $find . -regex '.*\.(cpp|h)' I suspect the answer is really simple. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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Kiwi VOIP interconnect
by Simon Anderson 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

G'day, I read in your Wiki some details on Asterisk, notably from Nathan Ward and Matt Riddell, but my quick search of the last two years' postings to this list didn't turn anything else up, so forgive me if this message is coming to the wrong place. Matt R and I are already in touch with one another, working on an Asterisk<->Asterisk interconnect arrangement. Matt is in Dunedin and I'm in Wellington. I wonder if there is there an Asterisk operator (or a prospective operator) in the Waikato who would like to interconnect? In the spirit of quid pro quo, I will terminate calls in the Wellington free calling area in exchange for my calls being terminated in the Waikato, with a view to setting up a peering arrangement between all willing Asterisk operators in this country as and when the opportunity arises, down the line. Note that I am not proposing a commercial venture of any sort - I'm an enthusiast looking for other enthusiasts who enjoy messing with this technology and might be interested in providing a small scale solution to others out of a sense of altruism. Talk to me about it or request an account here; iax2://guest(a)gateway.anderson.gen.nz Regards, Simon

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RE: [wlug] Pentium 200, free to a good home.
by DrWho? 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

It is tempting.. but I all ready have a good collection of old PCs... Sadly the 286 has gone to silicon heaven. At 09:02 20/04/2004, you wrote: >content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-23701A9B; >boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C42651.9C081870" > >There you go Dr. Who... > >How can you refuse this ? >You won't need to run Linux on your 286 anymore... >-----Original Message----- >From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] >Sent: Monday, 19 April 2004 20:54 >To: Waikato Linux Users Group >Subject: [wlug] Pentium 200, free to a good home. > >Pentium 200, 64MB SIMM RAM, AT Case & Motherboard. Free to a good >home. Take it now or I chuck it. > >Regards >-- >Oliver Jones » Director » ><mailto:oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com>oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 >(21) 41 2238 >Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » ><http://www.deeperdesign.com>www.deeperdesign.com > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] Pentium 200, free to a good home.
by Lindsay Druett 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

There you go Dr. Who... How can you refuse this ? You won't need to run Linux on your 286 anymore... -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 19 April 2004 20:54 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] Pentium 200, free to a good home. Pentium 200, 64MB SIMM RAM, AT Case & Motherboard. Free to a good home. Take it now or I chuck it. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Director > <mailto:oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com> oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited > +64 (7) 377 3328 > <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com

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Pentium 200, free to a good home.
by Oliver Jones 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

Pentium 200, 64MB SIMM RAM, AT Case & Motherboard. Free to a good home. Take it now or I chuck it. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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3 * EDO 128MB sticks
by Drew Broadley 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

Does anyone have 3 for sale ?

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RE: [wlug] Dual Booting for the install-fest [long]
by Lindsay Druett 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

FFS Man !!! Which part don't you understand about WLUG not wanting to use Ghost or Partition Magic ? Licensing costs and issues are not the only reason behind this... I personally wouldn't paint myself into a corner backing up peoples computers, there are a lot of issues, what if the back up failed ? What is the content I'm backing up ? What about disposing of the data once finished ? Believe it or not, there are a lot of legal issues there... The other issues (which I thought was very obvious) is that here we are promoting a suite of software ranging from the OS right up to end user applications that is for starters free, open source, an alternative to Microsoft, and we are going to use what? to partition hard drive space, and we are going to use what? to backup the data. Hey if you want to use at home (or whatever) is fine to me, but what you are suggesting here is as appropriate as suggesting that you consume alcohol at church... Personally, Hard Drives are not expensive, people should consider installing a new hard drive in their machine and install the going distro. If they are newbies, things *will* go wrong somewhere along the line, and at least they can reformat the drive and start all over again without losing any sleep. > -----Original Message----- > From: DrWho? [mailto:x_files_(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 19:20 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] Dual Booting for the install-fest [long] > > > At 17:56 18/04/2004, you wrote: > > > > >>I think the idea of asking Symantic if they would do some sort of > >>sponsorship with Ghost would be a great idea. > > > >Great. Where can I download the source code? > > > You cant, but sometimes you need to spend a bit of money to > get the job > done <grin> and if a commercial pay for it product will do > the job a hell > of allot better than any free product then so be it <grin>. > > Also if symantic would be willing to give away some copies > then take it!! > it will do a good job, better than any oss solutions <grin> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > >

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by DrWho? 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

At 15:49 15/04/2004, you wrote: > > I would think, providing something like Partition Magic is available ( > > which I have and no doubt others ) to do the job it could be offered as > > an option for those who are not competent with doing it themselves or > > installing new hardware. > >Oh? Does the license allow that? >Even so, it's still far more risk/hassle than we need I believe. It can run from a boot disk, no install on target PC needed. > > I have resized MANY NTFS and FAT partitions with PQMAGIC and never had a > > problem, not to say there have not or will not be any problems, but > > there is also the option of ghosting their HDD before the resize. > >To what? Are you providing the disk space? >Remember this is an afternoon workshop. Good question, that is one minor problem with ghost.... perhaps a spare 40G HDD?? Or setup a ghost server on a PC with some disk space and ghost over a network? >-- >Greig McGill > > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

The WLUG meeting is one week away ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Linux as a Personal Video Recorder ([PVR]). In particular, looking at [MythTV], although I'll investigate the other options if I have time. Date: Monday 26 April 2004%%% Time: 7:00pm onwards - __Please note new time!__ %%% Location: Probably at CrawshawSchool%%%

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[installfest] Hard Disk Repartitioning
by Matt Brown 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

In light of the recent frenzy of discussion regarding hard disk partitioning and the InstallFest I would like to clarify what the official position of the WLUG Committee on this issue is. WLUG (and it's representatives) will not be responsible for repartitioning or backing up hard disks at the InstallFest. All data backup and disk preparation tasks (such as ensuring there is sufficient unpartitioned space) are the responsibility of the owner of the computer and should be completed before attending the InstallFest. The minimum requirements that we have specified for hard disks for the install fest are either a) You are willing to wipe the entire disk (which is at least 5GB in size) and have Linux installed. OR b) There is at least 5GB of UNPARTITIONED space available on the disk. The rationale behind this position can be found on the InstallFest wiki page at http://www.wlug.org.nz/InstallFest along with other information related to hardware requirements. If people have further general comments on Free hard disk partitioning tools that are available for use in Linux then you are most welcome to post them to the list, however I would suggest that any disk partitioning issues related solely to the InstallFest have already been well and truly flogged and any more discussion would be counter productive. Questions or concerns about any aspect of the position stated above can be directed to myself or any other member of the committee. Regards -- Matt Brown Email: matt(a)mattb.net.nz GSM : 021 611 544

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by Wayne Rooney 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

>Also, to Wayne, who decided that because a process "works for him" it's >infallible, and 100% safe for all, I've seen plenty of PM partitioning >problems in my time, and it's the benchmark. I didn't say it was infallible. I said it was designed to fail safe. qtparted resizes NTFS partitions with ntfsresize. Part of "man ntfsresize" says: KNOWN ISSUES No reliability problems are known or has been reported. If you need help please try the ntfsresize FAQ first (see below) and if you dont find your answer then send your question, comment or bug report to <linux-ntfs-dev(a)lists.sourceforge.net>. No subscription is needed but the mailing list is moderated and it can take some time to approve your post. There are some very rarely met limitations at present: filesystems having bad sectors, highly fragmented Master File Table (MFT), relocation of the first MFT extent and resizing in the middle of some metadata in some cases arent supported yet. These cases are detected and resizing is refused, restricted to a safe size or the closest safe size is displayed. --------- I like the words "no reliability problems are known" The fact that you've seen problems with OTHER software doesn't mean that THIS software is no good, does it? If you've had problems with qtparted then do share them so we know what to look out for. >So forgive me if I don't >really want to see the WLUG put its balls on the block guaranteeing the >safety of the user's data. That's why you get them to sign a waiver. Why would you want to guarantee somebodys data? That's asking for trouble. An installfest should be all care and no responsibility. Check out this waiver: http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/sigunix/installfest/waiver.shtml Wayne

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by Wayne Rooney 17 Apr '04

17 Apr '04

>No backups necessary then? > >Cool, so it can predict a power outage? Wow! :-) Smartarse ;-P Yes, actually, it takes a reading from /dev/crystalball and uses KStars to get an alignment of the planets and only resizes partitions if there are no power outages in the near future. Wayne

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Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
by Oliver Jones 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

I'm about to put the Game Return to Castle Wolfenstein on TradeMe. RTCW is a great first person shooter and as a bonus works in Linux as a native app! A rare thing with Loki games now gone. http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_detail.asp?id=10582307 If you're interested place a bid. I'd get a kick out of seeing another Linux gamer enjoy this game. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by Wayne Rooney 16 Apr '04

16 Apr '04

>You do not need to install it as it will run from a boot disk, or in my >case a boot CD. Read your licence agreement again carefully, Doctor. Then perhaps visit http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html from which comes the following quote: "Partition Magic is one solution -- except that Linux user groups cannot lawfully keep a copy on hand to use on visitors' machines, even if they're willing to spend the money. Advising them to buy a copy and come back is lawful, but not very appealing." Wayne

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Issues with BIND
by Craig Box 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

(Passing on the message from Drew. Note to everyone, messages you send from unsubscribed addresses get dropped! -- Craig) I am having issues with a SINGLE domain "corrupt.co.nz", every other domain is fine! Here's the deal: Bind logs return nothing like they usually would saying there was an error with the domain. I can dig to ALL of my AUTH NS servers, and get the records returned no problemo. I can use XTRA, DTS (and a few others have used their own DNS servers) and get returned results without any SERVFAIL errors. I try to dig anything to the PARADISE NS servers (203.96.152{4,12}) and I get mixed results. I get www.corrupt.co.nz and corrupt.co.nz, but none of my overly important records (home.corrupt.co.nz, mail.corrupt.co.nz) It returns SERVFAIL id:2 whenever I try to request anything other then www.corrupt.co.nz / corrupt.co.nz via PARADISES NS Servers Any ideas? I have contacted soa(a)paradise.net.nz but god knows how long that will take to be processed. - Drew

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RE: [wlug] Prefered Mail Client
by David Nicholls 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

> Strip back the FUD; apply the standard "there are security holes in Linux applications > fixed all the time, but Gartner Group rarely complains about them, and if they do, it > gets written off as anti-MS propaganda"... One interesting point I think people offten tend to miss when the Gartner Group or other such company is counting bugs/security warnings/year in linux versus windows codebases is that for linux they never differentiate between the O/S itself and the apps that are included with the distros. They like to lump them all in together to get the most number of bugs possible. My suspicion is, if they only looked at the O/S itself they would have a much harder time finding problems. Cheers... david

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Re: [wlug] Install fest
by Wayne Rooney 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

>Resizing is a very risky option; the very LAST thing we want is people >who say "I tried to install Linux once, and lost all my data because if >it.". Especially if we were helping them at the time. No, no, no. Resizing is very easy and safe. Boot computer off Knoppix cd. Open an x-term. Type "sudo su <enter>" Type "qtparted <enter>" Click on the edge of the partition you want to resize and drag it to the new size you want. Click "ok" And you're done. And it handles NTFS partitions. And it fails safe, that is, if something is going to go wrong (which it never has for me) it throws up an error message and quits BEFORE making changes to the hard drive. Try it. You'll like it. Wayne

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Upcoming committee meeting
by Craig Box 15 Apr '04

15 Apr '04

Per the WLUG charter, we'd like to inform you that there is an WLUG committee meeting to be held next Wednesday, 21 April. Tentative Agenda 1. Minutes from previous meeting 2. Treasurer's Report 3. Correspondence 4. Committee Mailing List - effectiveness & policy regarding posting 5. Committee - Purpose, Direction, Relationship to WLUG 6. Resignation, Greig McGill 7. General Business If you want to have an item added to this agenda, please contact me at secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. Craig, Secretary

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installing new kernel from rh9
by Stephen Pearce 14 Apr '04

14 Apr '04

I recently tried to compile and install the 2.6.5 kernel on a rh 9 system (dell i8500) .. it installed ok as a grub boot option but hangs trying to load the directory structure .. I have compiled and installed modules .. what else do I have to do to get the new kernel to boot? Thanks Stephen

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