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FreeBSD
by Simon Crosby 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

Hi, Is there anyone in the area I can get a copy of the FreeBSD 5.3 CDs from? Simon Crosby

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Re: Re: [wlug] Meeting on 24th January?
by GUO Zhijun 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

Hi, John R. McPherson I'm from Shanghai LUG and will arrive New Zealand and Hamilton at 23. It's lucky to catch the meeting. What's the topics? GUO Zhijun jamguo(a)sh163.net 2005-01-19 ----- Original Message ----- From: John R. McPherson <jrm21(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> To: Ian McDonald; Waikato Linux Users Group <imcdnzl(a)gmail.com; wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: 2005-01-19 12:31:33 Subject: Re: [wlug] Meeting on 24th January? >On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 08:50, Ian McDonald wrote: >> It looks like there is a meeting on 24/1 according to the Wiki but >> I've seen no reminder... >> >> Can anybody confirm one way or the other? > >Yes, we have scheduled a wlug meeting for next Monday. We are just >finalising the location for the room at this stage. > >The meeting reminder bot should have sent out an email on Monday but for >some reason it didn't... > >John >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Meeting on 24th January?
by Ian McDonald 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

It looks like there is a meeting on 24/1 according to the Wiki but I've seen no reminder... Can anybody confirm one way or the other? I'd like to go so I can hand over my membership forms and pay my cash since I'm already quite good at sending all sorts to the mailing list ;-)

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Where do I send books/Magazines for the Library?
by Oliver Jones 17 Jan '05

17 Jan '05

Where do I send books & magazines I want to contribute to the WLUG Library? Regards -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited

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library books/cdroms
by John R. McPherson 17 Jan '05

17 Jan '05

Hi everyone, just a general reminder that WLUG has a bunch of books and cdroms to lend out to paid-up WLUG members. We've recently received a few review copies of new books, so feel free to borrow any and post a review of it onto the wlug website. http://library.wlug.org.nz/show.pl?recent=10 There's a meeting next Monday so we can arrange to bring any requested books along (and if you have an issued item this would be a good opportunity to return it). Lastly, we can ask for more review copies of things if people request them. If you would like us to acquire something, go to the http://www.wlug.org.nz/WantedBooks wiki page and feel free to edit it, adding the publisher, book name, and your name in the appropriate place. John McPherson

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RE: [wlug] uBuntu Linux
by Gund Wehsling 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

Hi I have left a copy at the reception of Computerland in Collingwood Street for you if you can get it. If not, then I will arrange to get the balance of the discs to the next LUG meeting. It is there under your name - Frank (to avoid confusion). Gund -----Original Message----- From: SnapafunFrank [mailto:Frank(a)snapafun.co.nz] Sent: Wed 12/01/2005 19:39 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] uBuntu Linux David Nicholls wrote: >Oooooh oooh! Hand up for an x86 and possibly a ppc one. > >Cheers... >david > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gund Wehsling [mailto:Gund.Wehsling(a)computerland.co.nz] >Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2005 2:35 pm >To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: [wlug] uBuntu Linux > > >Good Day > >The guys at uBuntu have sent me some uBuntu disks in original sleeves >etc. There is no real advantage to these except they are already here. > >I have: > >5 x x86 CDs (includes live CD in sleeve) >2 x 64bit (AMD and EMT) CDs >2 x PPC CDs > >If anybody wants, first come, first serve. > >All version 4.10 details on thier site. > >Rgds > > > > >Gund > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > If my son is permitted to collect on my behalf ( he Hamilton - me Whangarei ) then I would care to put my hand up for one also. ( x86 ) Thanks for to offer regardless. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] uBuntu Linux
by Gund Wehsling 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

Hi The site is very specific about shipment times and release times and they document this well. The orders it seems are processed in South Africa and shipped from Switzerland (well mine was, but it is a small world anyway). Mine took a while (about 6 weeks), but I am sure the Xmas rush is to blame. The balance of the CDs I will try to get to the next meeting and whoever wants can grab. Rgds Gund -----Original Message----- From: Judy & Lindsay Roberts [mailto:judenlinz(a)orcon.net.nz] Sent: Thu 13/01/2005 22:31 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] uBuntu Linux I ordered the release of Ubuntu from there site some time back. The guys that have received theirs so far, about how long did it take for them to arrive after ordering? And which country were they dispatched from do you know? > Hi > > I have left a copy at the reception of Computerland in Collingwood Street for you if you can get it. If not, then I will arrange to get the balance of the discs to the next LUG meeting. > > It is there under your name - Frank (to avoid confusion). > > > > Gund _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Configuring konqueror/kate in KDE
by Glenn Ramsey 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

Hi, I have a Debian machine and a Mandrake machine both running KDE. I have configured the default text editor on both to be kate so that if I double click a file in konqueror it opens in kate. If I double click a second file in konqueror then on the Debian box it opens as another tab in the already running instance of kate, but on the Mandrake box it opens in a new instance of kate. How do I configure the Mandrake box to act like the Debian box? Ie a subsequent file is opened in an already running instance of kate if one exists. g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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RE: [wlug] uBuntu Linux
by David Nicholls 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Oooooh oooh! Hand up for an x86 and possibly a ppc one. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Gund Wehsling [mailto:Gund.Wehsling(a)computerland.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2005 2:35 pm To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [wlug] uBuntu Linux Good Day The guys at uBuntu have sent me some uBuntu disks in original sleeves etc. There is no real advantage to these except they are already here. I have: 5 x x86 CDs (includes live CD in sleeve) 2 x 64bit (AMD and EMT) CDs 2 x PPC CDs If anybody wants, first come, first serve. All version 4.10 details on thier site. Rgds Gund _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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uBuntu Linux
by Gund Wehsling 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

Good Day The guys at uBuntu have sent me some uBuntu disks in original sleeves etc. There is no real advantage to these except they are already here. I have: 5 x x86 CDs (includes live CD in sleeve) 2 x 64bit (AMD and EMT) CDs 2 x PPC CDs If anybody wants, first come, first serve. All version 4.10 details on thier site. Rgds Gund

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Converting Video Formats
by Gund Wehsling 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

Hi First off, welcome to 2005. Next, has anybody had any fun converting media in Linux (or W32 for that matter)? I have several AVi files (in DV1 format) that have been ripped from my old and dying camera and I have now many Gigs of AVIs I would like to make into MPEGs or similar, if for no reason other than to reduce thier size. I have tried some W32 applications that do not preserve the quality or even the size of the videos and after a few weeks, I have come to the conclusion, that not even paid for software is good for me. Any ideas for Linux or W32 greatly appreciated. Rgds Gund

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File types
by Gun Caundle 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

Thanx for all the help I now have a clearer understanding about Linux file types. I was trying to find something with extensions to differentiate the types of files as in Windows. (Laudy hush ma mouth)

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File types
by Gun Caundle 09 Jan '05

09 Jan '05

I'm working through the RH technicians certification course outline. (RH033) In Unit 7: The Linux File System, it lists 'The Seven Fundemental Filetypes' Can anybody help me with what they are or where I can find out what they are Any help would be appreciated.

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RE: Fw: [wlug] [Fwd: Cheap older PC]
by Jodi Thomson 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

I've just viewed both www.wlug.org.nz and www2.wlug.org.nz using lynx on RH6.1 without ipv6 compiled in. Jodi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." > -----Original Message----- > From: mglb1-forwarding > Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2005 1:20 p.m. > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: Fw: [wlug] [Fwd: Cheap older PC] > > On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 12:54 +1300, Judy & Lindsay Roberts wrote: > > I'm still in Windows XP, awaiting Ubuntu to arrival by > snail mail from > > whereever it is dispatched. So, is there an issue of XP > not liking your > > site. > > No, I very much doubt it is XP causing the problem. > > The main difference between > > www.wlug.org.nz and www2.wlug.org.nz is IPv6 dns records > > See > > matt(a)argon:~$ host -t AAAA www.wlug.org.nz > www.wlug.org.nz is an alias for hoiho.wlug.org.nz. > hoiho.wlug.org.nz has AAAA address 2002:cb61:a32::1 > > matt(a)argon:~$ host -t A www.wlug.org.nz > www.wlug.org.nz is an alias for hoiho.wlug.org.nz. > hoiho.wlug.org.nz has address 203.97.10.50 > > Vs > > matt(a)argon:~$ host -t AAAA www2.wlug.org.nz > matt(a)argon:~$ > > matt(a)argon:~$ host -t A www2.wlug.org.nz > www2.wlug.org.nz has address 203.97.10.50 > > So if you can get to www2, but not www then it suggests that you are > possibly having a problem with IPv6. > > Without knowing how your network is setup it is hard to help > you fix it. > Perhaps if you provided some more details regarding your network setup > and your ISP I could help. > > Alternatively, you could just use www2 and be done with it. > > Regards > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Daniel Lawson" <daniel(a)meta.net.nz> > > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [wlug] [Fwd: Cheap older PC] > > > > > > > Judy & Lindsay Roberts wrote: > > > > > > >I even get a timed out error attempting to get to the > home page. I seem > > to > > > >be able to access the rest of the web ok. > > > > > > > >http://www.wlug.org.n > > > > > > > > > > Sorry if you've already said this, but: > > > > > > Which operating system / distribution are you using, and > which version? > > > Which browser are you using, and which version? > > > > > > (just trying to see if there's an obvious reason for > www.wlug.org.nz to > > > not work for you). > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- > Matt Brown > matt(a)mattb.net.nz > Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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fresh new kernel installation
by SnapafunFrank 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

Finding it difficult to find someone with the patience to help with this so thought I would try local talent: In the past, whenever I wanted to compile a `new` kernel, I would first up do: # urpmi kernel-source-2.6-n Then do: # urpmi kernel The kernels were not the latest release and of course rpm's were available. Because of my usb concerns I thought I would `install` kernel-2.6-10 - knowing I would have to compile from linux-2.6.10.tar.bz2. So first thing, read the README at least, and straight off I'm lost, though later it looks like my usual one step at a time approach will get there. Here's were I'm lost: "- If you install the full sources, put the kernel tarball in a directory where you have permissions (eg. your home directory) and unpack it" OK - no prob with that. "Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area! " Again, no prob, sort of covered that, I thought. "- Make sure you have no stale .o files and dependencies lying around: cd linux make mrproper You should now have the sources correctly installed." Huh! But I've only unpacked the bz2 file into my home directory - how can anything be installed at this point? Just in case I'm having a braindead week : "BUILD directory for the kernel: When compiling the kernel all output files will per default be stored together with the kernel source code. **[ Fair enough ]** Using the option "make O=output/dir" allow you to specify an alternate place for the output files (including .config). Example: kernel source code: /usr/src/linux-2.6.N build directory: /home/name/build/kernel ** [ Possibly not something I might require but better remember, just in case ] ** To configure and build the kernel use: cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.N ** WOAH - WAIT UP- where in blue blazes did the directory /usr/src/linux-2.6.N come from - yes. I have directories for previous versions here but certainly not this one yet. So right now I have the bz2 file in my /home/frank/src/ directory, have it unpacked and I thought ready to go????? So I go back and re-read things and find: " If you install the full sources..... " Right back at the beginning. The only file I have found is the bz2 file, how can I have already installed the full sources. I thought they were part and parcel of the bz2 file and as yet had to be installed. Lost - braindead - BOTH. Any one want to do the rear seat kicking here? -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213

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/etc/init.d/rcS error
by Nigel Nguyen 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

Hi all, Yesterday, I did nothing special with the computer... However, this morning, something special came to me when I booted it up "/etc/init.d/rcS line 227: /sbin/fsck fsck failed. Please repair manually ... "more text"... " Does anyone got any idea what the problem is this and how to get over ? Thanks lot people Nigel -- Ask not what the computer can do for you Ask what you can do with your computer.

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NZ mirror linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz ?
by Nigel Nguyen 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

I just notice a couple days ago: Is this new zealand mirror: linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz ? Why didnt they announce it somewhere ? hum, disconnect from my current netlogin. login as user(a)jetstreamgames.co.nz , playing games (BF1942) and downloading linux...well pretty fast and got a couple of linux distro to play with :) now next time gentoo install must be very fast :)) for me ... Nigel -- Nigel Nguyen Email: nigel(a)nigelnguyen.org Website: www.nigelnguyen.org Phone: +64 21 484628 Ask not what computer can do for you, Ask what you can do with your computer.

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Fw: [wlug] [Fwd: Cheap older PC]
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

> Hi again Craig. I still cant view the http://www.wlug.org.nz/GarageSale/ > site. I get a message "The operation timed out when attempting to contact > www.wlug.org.nz" > > While I may not be able to attend the WLUG meeting, we will be through to > Hamilton from Taumarunui the last Saturday in January. We may be able to > make a point of seeing you then, it that suits. > Linz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Box" <craig(a)dubculture.co.nz> > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: Cheap older PC] > > > > > We have been giving some thought to buying a SECOND HAND older > > > computer - something like a 500mhz machine - to put a full Linux > > > system on, if we cant get the LIVE versions I am tinkering with to > > > operate to the point of being able to send/receive email and view the > > > occasional website. > > > I have had some suggestions to where I might get something, from list > > > members, but so far what I have viewed have been beyond our currents > > > 'means.' > > > > I have a K6-2-500 PC that is surplus to requirements, which you can take > > away from the next WLUG meeting for the one off price of nothing. It will > > not be pretty - it will be about as quick as a P2-350 from memory. > > > > Otherwise there are often people on this list with computers they are > giving > > away for a song- unfortunately I've just got rid of all of mine. If you > > check our buy/sell/exchange page at http://www.wlug.org.nz/GarageSale/ you > > will see where these transactions are normally carried out. If you still > > can't see the web site, that's the first thing we need to fix! > > > > If, however, you do have a bit of money to spare, one of those $850 Dell > > computers would give you an experience ten times better than what you'd > get > > out of an old P2 machine. Linux would have a much better reputation if > more > > people could/would try it on better specced machines. > > > > Craig > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004 > >

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DVD playback under linux
by Daniel Lawson 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

Santa was nice to me this year and gave me a Pioneer DVR-108 for christmas. After installing this into my gentoo box, I was fairly happy to see that I could run gmplayer dvd:// And have it start playing the dvd. However, it appears that mplayer isn't so good at playing the root menu. After some discussion on IRC, totem was suggested. I'd never really liked totem, and had found mplayer a much better player, but I tried it. Currently it seems that DVD playback with the gstreamer backed to totem is dead. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71519 implies rebuilding totem without gstreamer support should do the job, but that seems tedious. Does anyone have any experience with DVD playback under linux? (distro agnostic, I'd just like to see what software/versions people are using) Daniel PS: Happy New Year - was going to claim FP for 2005 but I see Perry was posting at 3am.

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[Fwd: Cheap older PC]
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

We have been giving some thought to buying a SECOND HAND older computer - something like a 500mhz machine - to put a full Linux system on, if we cant get the LIVE versions I am tinkering with to operate to the point of being able to send/receive email and view the occasional website. I have had some suggestions to where I might get something, from list members, but so far what I have viewed have been beyond our currents 'means.' Further suggestions would be appreciated. Linz -- Our website has changed slightly. new URL is www.geocities.com/judenlinz Phone nz07-896-8826 -- Our website has changed slightly. new URL is www.geocities.com/judenlinz Phone nz07-896-8826

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I am looking to buy a DVD Writer
by Ron Dean 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

What brands work with linux or doesn't it matter

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No Sound with Totem-Xine
by Nigel Nguyen 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Hi all, have any body experienced with No-Sound Xine ? I have just install xine & totem-xine on my ubuntu. However, when I play a .asf file the weird thing happen: the pictures is excellent but there is no sound at all (even though, the system sounds is loud and clear) both in xine & totem-xine. As suggestion on the internet I try to pass option in .totem_config & .xine/config to enable alsa driver, but so far no help. When I tried switch back to totem-gstreamer with gstreamer-ffmpeg, the file is playing with sound and pictures is good for the 15sec then, the sound start sluggish... & I don't like gstreamer backend. Any idea to fix the problem ? Thanks lots, Nigel

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

The WLUG mailing list is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group. As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in our official Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal of this policy. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do serious harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/Open Source related. List discussion: * Should not commit slander or libel against any person or organisation * Should not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * Should not indulge in ad hominem attacks * Should not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * Should not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only. * Should maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * Should be honest * Should not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * Should not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * Should accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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What distro is best fit for amd64?
by Nigel Nguyen 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I gonna get a new desktop with AMD64 cpu. However, I just wonder what distro will be best fit for it ? So far, I got two recommendation: 1> Yoper as it customize for i686-or-higher (but personally, I don't think i686 will be in par of amd64 arch) 2> Gentoo (compile in 64-bit mode) Anything else? Howevre, if I go for gentoo, then - - Will there be a significant improvement if I compile in 64-bit mode rather than 32-bit with arch=athlon-xp and sse2 enable ? - - If I compile in 64-bit mode, will I be able to install some 32-bit apps on top of that as I heard that some plugins like flash / wma /wmv are not yet availabe for 64-bit & some apps neither (OOo & Cedega/WineX) Thanks lots in advance, Happy holidays, Nigel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB0/ck8Zb1b6sN9OgRAlvxAJ9eFWJMfOWPJIomTTTtmktSSYGPaQCfSMlS tiqxr4Whkvik1PXQx6O169Y= =4MoD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Re: [wlug] ISO meaning
by Stephen Pearce 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

What about incremental writing to cdr under linux .. I have not worked out how to use a cdr as I can under windows .. to act as a large ..non erasable floppy. Stephen

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Linux greeny
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

I started with computers in 1980. DOS was an infant at the time. I started to develop software at the time using Basic, progressed to QuickBasic and now VisualBasic. About four years ago, I put a version of Mandrake Linux on a Windows ME computer. Every knows that ME was a 'virus' of a system. About a month after putting a Linux partition on it, I got a warning that an error had occurred in Linux which could destroy my Windows partition. This had happened several times before and nothing happened when I told it to continue. Bad move. It destroyed my HDD entirely. Since then my wife has said no more Linux on your computers. I recently hunted for a LIVE CD version of Linux and now have two. Mandrake Move - which looks really good, and Ubuntu Live, which is also great, but can access the HDD and has already changed my screen setting from 75hz to 60 and I cant change it back. I think I'll go with the Mandrake - but - I cant get it to recognize my 56k internal Modem now my USB printer. It wont write to the USB memory stick either although it has located it. Someone gave me some instructions for finding my modem, but I'm afraid I was too 'green' to go into action. I'm going to need a 'pictured painted' for me on this. However, if I cant get the setting written to the memory stick, what is the point in trying to use the system? I will have to put in my system and internet settings each time it loads. Not practical! Where do I start? Linz -- Our website has changed slightly. new URL is www.geocities.com/judenlinz Phone nz07-896-8826

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web site
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 26 Dec '04

26 Dec '04

A little bit of help required. We have a new site on Geocities - www.geocities.com/judenlinz I am having difficulty in making a photo appear in the appropriate box. Can anyone assist? I can send the little bit of code to anyone who wishes to contact me personally, so they can peruse it to see what I am doing wrong. May I thank some kind soul/s in advance. Linz

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USB Memory sticks
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

Is it safe to connect and disconnect USB Memory sticks with the power on?

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ISO meaning
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

I haven't been able to discover a glossary to let me know what a .iso file actually is, what .iso stand for. Someone?

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[Fwd: Conference in Sydney Australia, July 2005]
by Oliver Jones 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

If anyone is interested in attending an IEEE conference in Sydney.... -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited

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RE: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD
by David Nicholls 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

Good lord... I have the ISO at home, would you like me to make you a copy? -----Original Message----- From: Judy & Lindsay Roberts [mailto:judenlinz(a)orcon.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 6:43 am To: Waikato LUG Subject: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD I have downloaded Ubuntu Live Linux which is two files which are about the size of a CD. I have Nero Burning and now wish to make a bootable CD with these two files. What procedure do I use to accomplish this please? Linz _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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ISO meaning
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

I haven't been able to discover a glossary to let me know what a .iso file actually is, what .iso stand for. Someone?

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RE: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD
by David Nicholls 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

I've installed ubuntu before... Very nice and easy to do. As I said if you want a copy of the latest install cd instead of mucking around yourself (why is it 2 files anyway? I just got a single iso file off linuxisos.org) drop me a line. The install is incredibly easy, it's virtually insert cd and leave running. If you want advice or help, I can give some limited help (still learning myself), but I'm more than willing. I suggest you check out some of the reviews that are around to find out about ubuntus little quirks. Ubuntu is based on the debian unstable release, and the code is tweaked a bit to be (of course) more stable. New updates are released every six months. I eventually swapped to suse for various reasons, but plan on installing ubuntu on my next machine. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 12:35 pm To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD The best nero trick I know for an iso image is to edit the name name.iso ------> name.nrg nero will then know it is an image and will handle it from there just accept the defaults and let it make the cd (s) But since you seem to be installing onto your hard drive you might want someone to help you here, maybe someone local to you in the lug will be willing to help you with this. > I have downloaded Ubuntu Live Linux which is two files which are about > the size of a CD. I have Nero Burning and now wish to make a bootable > CD with these two files. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD
by David Nicholls 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

That's both the live and the full install cd by the way. Merry christmas all. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Judy & Lindsay Roberts [mailto:judenlinz(a)orcon.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 6:43 am To: Waikato LUG Subject: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD I have downloaded Ubuntu Live Linux which is two files which are about the size of a CD. I have Nero Burning and now wish to make a bootable CD with these two files. What procedure do I use to accomplish this please? Linz _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Shutdown Problem
by Gun Caundle 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

I'm using CentOS 3 When I shut down it hangs at the: 'Sending all processes the TERM signal' (or KILL). I hold in the power button to complete the shutdown. Is this doing any damage to files etc?

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Ubuntu Live CD
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

I have downloaded Ubuntu Live Linux which is two files which are about the size of a CD. I have Nero Burning and now wish to make a bootable CD with these two files. What procedure do I use to accomplish this please? Linz

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Mandrake Move setup
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

I am trying to set up Mandrake Move (Live CD). Several things I dont seem to be unable to accomplish at this stage. 1) Cant set up an Internet connection. I have used the default selections (selected radio buttons). I have an IHUG account for the purpose. I had difficulty finding out where my modem was attached (Windows says Com3). I get this error message 'An unexpected error has happened: output in file /usr/share/config/Kppprc failed: read only file system.' 2) My USB Key is connected, but cant seem to save settings to that at present. It shows up in Konquerer but not in the File Manager (Ksomething or the other). In Konquerer, it will not permit me to copy files from Key to Floppy. Does floppy have to be formatted in special format for that? Konquerer reads the floppy formatted in Dos ok, for I put some text files on it to test. Thats enough for one day I think. Cheers Linz

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Modem for Linux
by lilypatc＠ihug.co.nz 21 Dec '04

21 Dec '04

Hi all I haven't been in touch since the installfest in may? Working all hours and Linux has taken a back seat. I have just got a modem going in the Linux box, Not counting the slow machine with a hardware ISA modem that I took to work for check E-mail at night, Don't want pirate windows in case Micro$oft did an audit so it has Mandrake 10. Showed the other techs that it not so different to windows to use in GUI. Anyway the modem I found is a Pragmatic FMI-IA56 which uses an Intel 536 chipset which Intel suply driver for Linux for, including some precompiled drivers for Mandrake 10 and some other popular distros. They seem to work OK for Mandrake 10. It is a V92 hardware mode (HCF) not the old driverless hardware type. I did have it run a little eratic but the instructions mentioned a reset command "AT&F" which seems to have sorted it. Hope someone finds it usefull Regards David Bowen

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Testing again
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 21 Dec '04

21 Dec '04

Testing again

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Testing
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 21 Dec '04

21 Dec '04

I am testing whether I have the correct address for wlug mail list Linz

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A request...
by Craig Box 20 Dec '04

20 Dec '04

If there is anyone on the list that has up to date contact details for Sahil Gupta, could they please email Liam Venter at liam(a)lan1.co.nz. (No discussion on this matter please) Craig

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RE: [wlug] Why do I bother with Linux?
by David Nicholls 20 Dec '04

20 Dec '04

If only they'd release mac OSX for x86... <sigh> Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2004 8:00 pm Subject: [wlug] Why do I bother with Linux? Sometimes I think I'm a masochist for using Linux. I have put all my MPEG4 audio on the USB2 external HDD I was talking about previously. I tried importing all the audio into Rhythm Box. Rhythm Box proceeded to consume all of my RAM and swap. I managed to kill the app and restart it. It appeared to have imported most of the audio. I went about playing some songs. Changing between them etc. Rhythm Box proceeded to play them for a while then when trying to change between Black Eye Peas songs it locked up the ALSA sound card driver. Whoop. I don't think I'll be playing with Rhythm Box again. After a reboot XMMS proceeeded to play the m4a files with the MPEG4 Audio plug in I must have installed a while back. No track info though. *sigh* And we wonder why those crazy Windows users stick to their unstable OS and why legions of Linux geeks are fleeing at great haste to Mac OS X. Ah well, back to flagellating myself. Regards -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Why do I bother with Linux?
by Oliver Jones 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

Sometimes I think I'm a masochist for using Linux. I have put all my MPEG4 audio on the USB2 external HDD I was talking about previously. I tried importing all the audio into Rhythm Box. Rhythm Box proceeded to consume all of my RAM and swap. I managed to kill the app and restart it. It appeared to have imported most of the audio. I went about playing some songs. Changing between them etc. Rhythm Box proceeded to play them for a while then when trying to change between Black Eye Peas songs it locked up the ALSA sound card driver. Whoop. I don't think I'll be playing with Rhythm Box again. After a reboot XMMS proceeeded to play the m4a files with the MPEG4 Audio plug in I must have installed a while back. No track info though. *sigh* And we wonder why those crazy Windows users stick to their unstable OS and why legions of Linux geeks are fleeing at great haste to Mac OS X. Ah well, back to flagellating myself. Regards -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited

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Re: [wlug] Linux LVM and Windows.
by Stephen Pearce 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

Hi, I had the same problem ... with fedora 2. I ended up doing away with LVM. As I understand it is only useful if you are likely to fill your partitions and need to resize them. I thought this might be useful initially, but as I don't create many huge files, I don't think I would ever use it even if I could get it working. When I looked into it they were doing a major change in the code .. it might be simpler now .. I've forgotten it and not regretted it. Stephen > > From: Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> > Date: 2004/12/19 Sun PM 06:47:27 GMT+13:00 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Subject: [wlug] Linux LVM and Windows. > > On my laptop I've installed Fedora Core 3. By default FC3 uses Linux > LVM for the install partitions and swap. It only puts /boot on a > separate "Linux native" partition. I also have Windows XP installed on > my laptop in a 20GB partition at the front of the drive (hda1). > > When I booted Windows today (a rarity) I noticed that the LVM partition > is showing up as a drive letter in Windows. The disk manager doesn't > show it with a file system but I am concerned Windows XP will do > something stupid and try and write to the device at some point and fruck > my Linux install. > > Does anyone else have experience with Windows XP and Linux LVM? How can > I hide the LVM drive from Windows. Is there a way of telling Windows > the get the hell away from that partition? > > I've never used LVM before so I'm in the dark a bit. Any help would be > appreciated. > > Regards > -- > Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> > Deeper Design Limited > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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NexStar external 3.5" USB2/Firewire HDD enclosures and FC3.
by Oliver Jones 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

Hi Folks. Thought I'd share a little tidbit of experience with you all. Recently I purchased a Vantec NexStar external USB2/Firewire 3.5" HDD enclosure. I had an existing 200GB Seagate Barracuda drive to put in it. Today I assembled the unit and plugged it into my Fedora Core 3 powered Compaq laptop. I was rather pleased to see FC3 detect the device, amend /etc/fstab, mount it, and put a nice little media icon on my desktop with a USB logo on it. It even did so when the HDD was formatted with NTFS. I subsequently deleted the NTFS partition that was on the drive and reformatted with FAT32 so that I can share the device more easily between Windows and Linux machines. I did the partitioning and formatting under Linux as Windows XP (in its infinite wisdom) can not create FAT32 partitions greater than 30GB. All in all the experience was quite nice. Certainly nicer than my past experiences with USB storage devices under Linux. Unfortunately when I switched cables to Firewire (IEEE1394) things didn't go so smoothly. The Linux ieee1394 driver can't seem to communicate with the device. Something about being unable to parse the configrom. This isn't the only firewire device that this Laptop hasn't been able to talk to under Linux. So I imagine it is some driver issue with whatever chipset that this laptop has. I've never had much luck with firewire and Linux. But I don't mind. This laptop has 3 USB 2 ports and USB is "fast enough" for storing my iTunes/iPod music and other backup/archive data. Regards -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited

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Linux LVM and Windows.
by Oliver Jones 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

On my laptop I've installed Fedora Core 3. By default FC3 uses Linux LVM for the install partitions and swap. It only puts /boot on a separate "Linux native" partition. I also have Windows XP installed on my laptop in a 20GB partition at the front of the drive (hda1). When I booted Windows today (a rarity) I noticed that the LVM partition is showing up as a drive letter in Windows. The disk manager doesn't show it with a file system but I am concerned Windows XP will do something stupid and try and write to the device at some point and fruck my Linux install. Does anyone else have experience with Windows XP and Linux LVM? How can I hide the LVM drive from Windows. Is there a way of telling Windows the get the hell away from that partition? I've never used LVM before so I'm in the dark a bit. Any help would be appreciated. Regards -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited

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Python and recording audio
by zcat 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

I'm trying to write a program in python but I am _very_ confused about how to set audio parameters. I can find documentation but it doesn't make any sense. I can't seem to find an example anywhere that I can follow. In the past I've just used /dev/dsp with the default settings of 8 bit mono, 8k samplerate. This time I want to record 16 bit, two channels, 44k1, splitting the recording into left.wav and right.wav and stripping out silence in realtime. How do I do it?

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WLUG Xmas BBQ Canceled
by Jamie Curtis 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Hi all, Unfortunately, due to the unpredictable weather and the lack of an indoor venue, we have had to cancel the WLUG Xmas BBQ planed for tonight. It is possible that if we could find a suitable time or location we could still run the BBQ, but as it's getting closer and closer to Christmas this is going to get harder. Again, sorry all, and if you do have any suggestions, please get in touch with me or any of the committee. Thanks Jamie

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RE: [wlug] Overlapping usage nonsense
by Gund Wehsling 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

Hi I agree, NAT is supposed to be almost impossible to detect. Change your dial-in password now and see what happens next billing cycle? Perhaps your mate who you helped to setup his computer will ring you later this week to tell you the Internet connection you helped him with has stopped working? Of course I have done that before. Gund -----Original Message----- From: James Clark [mailto:jamesc(a)bofh.co.nz] Sent: Fri 19/11/2004 12:04 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Overlapping usage nonsense On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 11:17:58AM +1300, Jared Wigmore wrote: > Having got a network and Internet connection sharing > set up (thanks Bruce), Xtra is now charging my family > for "overlapping usage" via my Linux computer. (The > Internet connection is on the family computer, with > Windows XP professional.) Overlapping usage: http://www.xtra.co.nz/help/0,,6155-1452314,00.html (if the link works) I suspect someone is dialling up with your account simultaniously, not because your NAT-ing... James. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Thank you Perry.
by Greig McGill 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

Hi all. Perry has hopefully made the meeting reminderbot issue go away for good now. A HUGE thank you to him for doing this. This means you should all be able to start taking the meeting reminders seriously now. :) See you all on Friday. The Fist.

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!The Official Annual [WLUG] End of Year Barbeque! In accordance with the prophecy, our end of 2004 [BBQ] is at DaHoose, 3 Liston Crescent, Hillcrest (off Helena Road, by the Gate 1 entrance to Uni/Clyde St roundabout). As the original date of the 4th was wet, we postponed it until the 10th WLUG will provide salad, soft drinks, BBQ, backyard cricket and entertainment. You will need to bring yourself, meat and alcohol should you desire any of these things. Start time of 6pm with BBQ about 7. Check out photos from last years barbeque from [John|http://www.wlug.org.nz/~jrm/wlug-bbq/], [Kyle|http://www.feet.net.nz/gallery/wlugbbq/] or [Phil|http://www.nevada.net.nz/gallery/wlug03].

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Re: wlug Digest, Vol 162, Issue 3
by Roger Oed 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Hi, Sorry about the lack of detail. It is an external model on COM port 1 (ttyS0) and I have tried a couple. The one I am using at present is a dynalink one. I have tried configuring it using the Network Configuration tool and while it appears that I have been able to activate the PPP link, I don't think it has in reality. How important is an initialisation string for the modem? Thanks Roger wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz wrote: > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Configuring Modem for Email and Internet (Roger Oed) > 2. Re: Configuring Modem for Email and Internet (zcat) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 00:20:41 +1300 > From: Roger Oed <oed.fam(a)family.net.nz> > Subject: [wlug] Configuring Modem for Email and Internet > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Message-ID: <41AEFA89.60809(a)family.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hi All, > > I am trying to configure my Redhat 8.0 box to work with a modem for > e-mail and Internet access. I have configured my e-mail account > correctly, and have configured a network connection for the modem. When > the machine starts up, during the Bios phase the machine obviously sees > the modem. However, when I try to run the e-mail it immediately returns > an error indicating that it hasn't seen the modem. Can anyone suggest > some tests I can perform to try and identify the source of the error or > any reasons why Linux does not appear to see the modem, please? > > Thanks > Roger > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:00:11 +1300 > From: zcat <zcat(a)maxnet.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] Configuring Modem for Email and Internet > To: oed.tem1(a)family.net.nz, Waikato Linux Users Group > <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <41AF744B.6030408(a)maxnet.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Roger Oed wrote: > > >>Hi All, >> >>I am trying to configure my Redhat 8.0 box to work with a modem for >>e-mail and Internet access. I have configured my e-mail account >>correctly, and have configured a network connection for the modem. >>When the machine starts up, during the Bios phase the machine >>obviously sees the modem. However, when I try to run the e-mail it >>immediately returns an error indicating that it hasn't seen the >>modem. Can anyone suggest some tests I can perform to try and >>identify the source of the error or any reasons why Linux does not >>appear to see the modem, please? > > > What sort of modem? External, internal, ISA or PCI? (If you still have > Windows installed, just boot into Windows and tell us what it's > identified as under the Device Manager) > > My first guess is that it's a software-driven modem (aka 'winmodem'; > many of these work in Linux, but almost all require extra drivers and > setting up that aren't part of the standard install. There's probably > helpful info on the wiki if you search for 'winmodem'. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of wlug Digest, Vol 162, Issue 3 > ************************************ >

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WLUG Xmas BBQ POSTPONED !
by Jamie Curtis 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Hi All, As the weather looks pretty average, the forcast is for rain developing and we don't have any cover in the back yard, we are going to postpone the BBQ. We will try again for Friday 10th. I'll post an update later in the week. Cheers, Jamie

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!The Official Annual [WLUG] End of Year Barbeque! In accordance with the prophecy, our end of 2004 [BBQ] is at DaHoose, 3 Liston Crescent, Hillcrest (off Helena Road, by the Gate 1 entrance to Uni/Clyde St roundabout). If it's wet, the backup day is Friday the 10th. WLUG will provide salad, soft drinks, BBQ, backyard cricket and entertainment. You will need to bring yourself, meat and alcohol should you desire any of these things. Start time of 3.30 - 4pm with the BBQ starting about 6.30 on Saturday 4th. Start time of 6pm with BBQ about 7 if we need to postpone until Friday 10th. Check out photos from last years barbeque from [John|http://www.wlug.org.nz/~jrm/wlug-bbq/], [Kyle|http://www.feet.net.nz/gallery/wlugbbq/] or [Phil|http://www.nevada.net.nz/gallery/wlug03].

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Configuring Modem for Email and Internet
by Roger Oed 02 Dec '04

02 Dec '04

Hi All, I am trying to configure my Redhat 8.0 box to work with a modem for e-mail and Internet access. I have configured my e-mail account correctly, and have configured a network connection for the modem. When the machine starts up, during the Bios phase the machine obviously sees the modem. However, when I try to run the e-mail it immediately returns an error indicating that it hasn't seen the modem. Can anyone suggest some tests I can perform to try and identify the source of the error or any reasons why Linux does not appear to see the modem, please? Thanks Roger

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In defence of Fedora
by Craig Box 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Hi everyone, The current distro that the WLUG Committee recommend our new users run is Fedora. Mandrake is possibly a 'simpler' distribution, but most of the people who come to help out and post to the mailing list don't run it. In fact, a lot of them don't run Fedora either, but know enough about it to be helpful. If there is enough of a groundswell of people using Mandrake who have learnt it through to expert level and are prepared to help other people, we'd be happier about recommending it. Right now, it's out there, it might suit peoples needs better, but as a club, we can't necessarily help you with it. Fedora is a good combination of useful to new user, well supported, powerful and up to date. Ubuntu is another distribution that fits that bill. Mandrake might be, but I don't know enough to make that call. With regard to yum especially, yum 2.2 in Fedora Core 3 addresses lots of the shortfauls in yum 2.0 (it now has .repo files, which are more like apt's Packages/Releases, instead of thousands of little .hdr files). Perhaps this discussion could be held at http://www.wlug.org.nz/SelectingADistribution which needs an overhaul. We could also perhaps have a list of the top 10 things that are different in each distro (ie how to get security updates, how to get MP3 playback, how to configure your network card). Giving up on the list isn't a good way to stop other people from having problems. Remember also we're more than happy to look at machines at LUG meetings. Just let us know in advance if you need an internet connection so we can arrange one. Craig

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Re: [wlug] Fedora (the one we support) revisited
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Hi All, I did make sure that I had a good repo and plenty of mirrors then "yum update" There were 54 items to d/load. at the 11th file, some three hours later (at 47k), a thing called "gzip" failed to down load so it tried mirror after mirror very slowly. Failing on each occasion. I think it was at the fourteenth unsuccessful mirror attempt that I began cutting 25mm lengths off the modem cord. The mirror sites then went by much more quickly as they were unable to connect. The success in this is that there were TONNES of mirrors to try if only I had waited a couple more days things may have been OK and I could have got on with updating yum and possibly installing mplayer. I am finding Fedora to be bad for my self esteem and I note with horror that I have forced myself into the position of the official "idiot question asker". To this end I am unsubscribing from the mailing list so as not to broadcast my ineptitude to all and sundry when doing fubars in the future. The distro that has given me the least grief is "Mandrake"> (yep. Windows user) If any one is willing to burn me a good copy of the latest issue I would be happy if they would contact me off list. Many thanks to all the list members. Regards John. > A bad checksum probably means the file corrupted while you > were downloading it. Possible reasons for this are: > > 1) a web proxy in your path (transparent or otherwise) has > an incomplete copy cached > 2) the file changed while you were downloading it > 3) yum didn't actually finish downloading the file > 4) the copy on the server is incomplete or corrupt. > > To fix this, try running 'yum update' then 'yum install > mplayer' when the update finishes. If that doesn't work, > try adding more yum mirrors to your mirror list - I > notice that your output contained comments regarding 'No > more mirrors to try' etc. > > > As to your second question - it carried on because only > one part of the download failed, the others are all > intact. > > > Thought I was doing fairly good, Wgot the public > key. >Copied freshrpms, fixed a parsing error but now got > a >checksum problem. > >I have saved the whole drama if anyone has time to help I > >would apreciatte it > >Terminal entries follow: > > > >[root(a)localhost john]# yum install mplayer > > > .. > > >http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/3/i386/freshrpms/RP > MS/mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386.rpm: >[Errno > -1] Package does not match checksum >freshrpms: [Errno > 256] No more mirrors to try. >[root(a)localhost john]# > > > > > >Also why go through the whole download if the thing fails > >the checksum* > >Regards John > > > > >

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!The Official Annual [WLUG] End of Year Barbeque! In accordance with the prophecy, our end of 2004 [BBQ] is at DaHoose, 3 Liston Crescent, Hillcrest (off Helena Road, by the Gate 1 entrance to Uni/Clyde St roundabout). If it's wet, the backup day is Friday the 10th. WLUG will provide salad, soft drinks, backyard cricket and entertainment. You will need to bring yourself, meat and alcohol should you desire any of these things. Check out photos from last years barbeque from [John|http://www.wlug.org.nz/~jrm/wlug-bbq/], [Kyle|http://www.feet.net.nz/gallery/wlugbbq/] or [Phil|http://www.nevada.net.nz/gallery/wlug03].

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

The WLUG mailing list is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group. As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in our official Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal of this policy. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do serious harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/Open Source related. List discussion: * Should not commit slander or libel against any person or organisation * Should not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * Should not indulge in ad hominem attacks * Should not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * Should not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only. * Should maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * Should be honest * Should not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * Should not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * Should accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Re: [wlug] Fedora (the one we support) revisited
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Many thanks, Will try your suggestions. Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > A bad checksum probably means the file corrupted while you > were downloading it. Possible reasons for this are: > > 1) a web proxy in your path (transparent or otherwise) has > an incomplete copy cached > 2) the file changed while you were downloading it > 3) yum didn't actually finish downloading the file > 4) the copy on the server is incomplete or corrupt. > > To fix this, try running 'yum update' then 'yum install > mplayer' when the update finishes. If that doesn't work, > try adding more yum mirrors to your mirror list - I > notice that your output contained comments regarding 'No > more mirrors to try' etc. > > > As to your second question - it carried on because only > one part of the download failed, the others are all > intact. > > > Thought I was doing fairly good, Wgot the public > key. >Copied freshrpms, fixed a parsing error but now got > a >checksum problem. > >I have saved the whole drama if anyone has time to help I > >would apreciatte it > >Terminal entries follow: > > > >[root(a)localhost john]# yum install mplayer > > > .. > > >http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/3/i386/freshrpms/RP > MS/mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386.rpm: >[Errno > -1] Package does not match checksum >freshrpms: [Errno > 256] No more mirrors to try. >[root(a)localhost john]# > > > > > >Also why go through the whole download if the thing fails > >the checksum* > >Regards John > > > > >

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Fedora (the one we support) revisited
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Hi All. Thought I was doing fairly good, Wgot the public key. Copied freshrpms, fixed a parsing error but now got a checksum problem. I have saved the whole drama if anyone has time to help I would apreciatte it Terminal entries follow: [john(a)localhost ~]$ su Password: [root(a)localhost john]# wget http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt --18:58:33-- http://freshrpms.net/packages/RPM-GPG-KEY.txt => `RPM-GPG-KEY.txt' Resolving freshrpms.net... 66.40.9.130 Connecting to freshrpms.net[66.40.9.130]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 1,631 [text/plain] 100%[====================================>] 1,631 --.--K/s 18:58:35 (15.55 MB/s) - `RPM-GPG-KEY.txt' saved [1,631/1,631] [root(a)localhost john]# rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY.txt [root(a)localhost john]# /etc/yum.conf bash: /etc/yum.conf: Permission denied *typo!!! [root(a)localhost john]# nano -w /etc/yum.conf [root(a)localhost john]# yum install mplayer Config Error: File contains parsing errors: file:///etc/yum.conf [line 18]: 's/\n' [root(a)localhost john]# yum install mplayer Config Error: File contains parsing errors: file:///etc/yum.conf [line 18]: 's/\n' [root(a)localhost john]# nano -w /etc/yum.conf *edited /s in line 18!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [root(a)localhost john]# yum install mplayer Setting up Install Process Setting up Repo: freshrpms repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 843 B 00:00 Setting up Repo: base repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: updates-released repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 132 kB 00:38 MD Read : ################################################## 452/452 freshrpms : ################################################## 452/452 base : ################################################## 2622/2622 updates-re: ################################################## 255/255 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for mplayer to pack into transaction set. mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025 100% |=========================| 48 kB 00:06 ---> Package mplayer.i386 0:1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr set to be installed --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libfaad.so.0 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libpostproc= 1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libxvidcore.so.4 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libaa.so.1 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: mplayer-fonts for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libdvdread.so.3 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libxmms.so.1 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: liblzo.so.1 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libmp3lame.so.0 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libmad.so.0 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libpostproc.so.0 for package: mplayer --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for faad2 to pack into transaction set. faad2-2.0-2.20040923.1.fc 100% |=========================| 4.6 kB 00:00 ---> Package faad2.i386 0:2.0-2.20040923.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for libpostproc to pack into transaction set. libpostproc-1.0-0.12.2004 100% |=========================| 9.5 kB 00:01 ---> Package libpostproc.i386 0:1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for xvidcore to pack into transaction set. xvidcore-1.0.2-2.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| 4.5 kB 00:00 ---> Package xvidcore.i386 0:1.0.2-2.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for aalib to pack into transaction set. aalib-1.4.0-5.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| 6.1 kB 00:01 ---> Package aalib.i386 0:1.4.0-5.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for mplayer-fonts to pack into transaction set. mplayer-fonts-1.1-2.fr.no 100% |=========================| 14 kB 00:01 ---> Package mplayer-fonts.noarch 0:1.1-2.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for libdvdread to pack into transaction set. libdvdread-0.9.4-5.1.fc3. 100% |=========================| 4.6 kB 00:00 ---> Package libdvdread.i386 0:0.9.4-5.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for xmms to pack into transaction set. xmms-1.2.10-9.1.1.fc3.fr. 100% |=========================| 25 kB 00:03 ---> Package xmms.i386 1:1.2.10-9.1.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for lzo to pack into transaction set. lzo-1.08-3.1.fc3.fr.i386. 100% |=========================| 4.3 kB 00:00 ---> Package lzo.i386 0:1.08-3.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for lame to pack into transaction set. lame-3.96.1-2.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| 7.6 kB 00:01 ---> Package lame.i386 0:3.96.1-2.1.fc3.fr set to be installed ---> Downloading header for libmad to pack into transaction set. libmad-0.15.1b-3.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| 4.2 kB 00:00 ---> Package libmad.i386 0:0.15.1b-3.1.fc3.fr set to be installed --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libdvdcss>= 1.2.5 for package: libdvdread --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for libdvdcss to pack into transaction set. libdvdcss-1.2.8-4.1.fc3.f 100% |=========================| 4.5 kB 00:00 ---> Package libdvdcss.i386 0:1.2.8-4.1.fc3.fr set to be installed --> Running transaction check Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Install: mplayer.i386 0:1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr Performing the following to resolve dependencies: Install: aalib.i386 0:1.4.0-5.1.fc3.fr Install: faad2.i386 0:2.0-2.20040923.1.fc3.fr Install: lame.i386 0:3.96.1-2.1.fc3.fr Install: libdvdcss.i386 0:1.2.8-4.1.fc3.fr Install: libdvdread.i386 0:0.9.4-5.1.fc3.fr Install: libmad.i386 0:0.15.1b-3.1.fc3.fr Install: libpostproc.i386 0:1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr Install: lzo.i386 0:1.08-3.1.fc3.fr Install: mplayer-fonts.noarch 0:1.1-2.fr Install: xmms.i386 1:1.2.10-9.1.1.fc3.fr Install: xvidcore.i386 0:1.0.2-2.1.fc3.fr Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025 100% |=========================| 899 kB 05:39 http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/3/i386/freshrpms/RPMS/mplayer-1.0-0.1…: [Errno -1] Package does not match checksum *Why is this??????????????????????????????????????????? Trying other mirror. faad2-2.0-2.20040923.1.fc 100% |=========================| 201 kB 01:25 libpostproc-1.0-0.12.2004 100% |=========================| 43 kB 00:11 xvidcore-1.0.2-2.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| 238 kB 01:12 aalib-1.4.0-5.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| 95 kB 00:27 mplayer-fonts-1.1-2.fr.no 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 04:56 libdvdread-0.9.4-5.1.fc3. 100% |=========================| 55 kB 00:15 xmms-1.2.10-9.1.1.fc3.fr. 100% |=========================| 1.9 MB 09:38 lzo-1.08-3.1.fc3.fr.i386. 100% |=========================| 55 kB 00:15 lame-3.96.1-2.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| 488 kB 02:23 libmad-0.15.1b-3.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| 79 kB 00:23 libdvdcss-1.2.8-4.1.fc3.f 100% |=========================| 34 kB 00:09 Error Downloading Packages: mplayer - 1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386: failure: RPMS/mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386.rpm from freshrpms: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root(a)localhost john]# Also why go through the whole download if the thing fails the checksum* Regards John

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Re: [wlug] Fedora (the one we support) revisited
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 30 Nov '04

30 Nov '04

Hi again, I have not managed to find an answer to this as yet, managed to get google down to six or so possibles. None of those seemed to match my problem. Another thread suggests that the install was bad but I do not think so. I will re-read the Fedora wiki in case I missed it the first few times *sigh* Regards John. <edited terminal display below> > Is this ok [y/N]: y > Downloading Packages: > mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025 100% |=========================| > 899 kB 05:39 > http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/3/i386/freshrpms/RPMS/mplayer-1.0-0.1…: > [Errno -1] Package does not match checksum > <*Why is this???????????????????????????????????????????> > Trying other mirror. > faad2-2.0-2.20040923.1.fc 100% |=========================| > 201 kB 01:25 > libpostproc-1.0-0.12.2004 100% |=========================| > 43 kB 00:11 > xvidcore-1.0.2-2.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| > 238 kB 01:12 > aalib-1.4.0-5.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| > 95 kB 00:27 > mplayer-fonts-1.1-2.fr.no 100% |=========================| > 1.0 MB 04:56 > libdvdread-0.9.4-5.1.fc3. 100% |=========================| > 55 kB 00:15 > xmms-1.2.10-9.1.1.fc3.fr. 100% |=========================| > 1.9 MB 09:38 > lzo-1.08-3.1.fc3.fr.i386. 100% |=========================| > 55 kB 00:15 > lame-3.96.1-2.1.fc3.fr.i3 100% |=========================| > 488 kB 02:23 > libmad-0.15.1b-3.1.fc3.fr 100% |=========================| > 79 kB 00:23 > libdvdcss-1.2.8-4.1.fc3.f 100% |=========================| > 34 kB 00:09 > Error Downloading Packages: > mplayer - 1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386: failure: > RPMS/mplayer-1.0-0.12.20041025.1.fc3.fr.i386.rpm from > freshrpms: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > [root(a)localhost john]# > Also why go through the whole download if the thing fails the checksum* Regards John > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Buying Linux Books
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Might be correct in another couple of weeks ;-)) > > $NZ37.03 Total > > Nice conversion :p

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Buying Linux Books
by Gun Caundle 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

For what it is worth (and in this case quite a bit) I had a look at one our library books "How Linux Works" and thought that I would need to buy it and use for reference. John Mc said buying from O'Reilly's, members get a 20% discount. I checked Dymocks Auckand and they could get me one for $94.95 and would take 6-8 weeks to arrive from the US. So I ordered it from O'Reilly's website for $US30.36 (including discount) The only shipping option was DHL (courier) and it was not until I had given my credit card details and the invoice was created that I could see the shipping charge. $US31.60. Then I checked on Amazon (never a good move to check other prices after the tranaction has taken place). Below are the comparisons. Dymocks Auck $NZ94.95 + postage to me O'Reilly's $US30.36 book $US31.60 shipping (Supposedly 2 days but it hasn't arrived after 4 days) $NZ83.00 total Amazon $US25.05 Book $US11.98 Shipping (1-2 vweeks) $NZ37.03 Total

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[Fwd: NZ Linux users engage in Govt-MS bashing]
by Matthias Dallmeier 26 Nov '04

26 Nov '04

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Re: [wlug] [Fwd: NZ Linux users engage in Govt-MS bashing]
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 Nov '04

26 Nov '04

Greig, I think one of the dangers of using politician's (of any sway) is that they use infomation for political gain. Rodney is no stranger to asking painful questions in the house and this headline may even be on our frontpage news one day, after all, we posed the questions (not knowing they were to be used as ammo)*looks slightly sideways at Matthias* Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Hrm. > > I'm not sure I'm very happy with this. > > The WLUG are not about either Government *OR* Microsoft > bashing. We are about Linux and Open Source advocacy. > > This "bashing" label is not one I'd like to see applied to > the WLUG, and I'd really appreciate it if someone who subs > to the nz.* newsgroups (glares at matthias) could clear > this up. > > Regards, > > Greig McGill > President > Waikato Linux Users Group Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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www.wlug.org.nz
by Daniel Lawson 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

I noticed the HomePage for www.wlug.org.nz changed recently. What's the story? A lot of the content on HomePage was fairly useful where it was - now I have to click through to WlugIntro to find it. I know I can move it back - but I'd rather not get into a edit/revert battle on that page.

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Re: [wlug] Assistance on nzip.meta.net.nz
by async 21 Nov '04

21 Nov '04

I dont know perl, but I have done programming in the past and I have a few ideas that might help point your mind to a new train of thought. Using a basic sorting script (suitably altered to take account of the numeric data (e.g. sorted by number or ASCII code). Once the list is ordered, run the data through another loop that takes each piece of data (one subnet at a time) and compares it with the previous piece of data and if they are the same - remove one of the entries. Hope this helps. Nick

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 21 Nov '04

21 Nov '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Red Hat Enterprise Linux Monday 22 November - Tung U from Red Hat Asia Pacific will present a summary of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. He presented at the Red Hat World Tour and was extremely inspirational. Big business IS switching, and Red Hat is helping them do so. This promises to be an exciting talk whether you are involved with large enterprise operations or not. Tara Sutherland from Vodafone New Zealand may also explain how Vodafone switched their entire web services backend to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, though she is unconfirmed at this stage. 7pm, 22 November%%% University of Waikato%%% Room: LitB.G.02 Park in Gate 1, Knighton Rd * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map.pdf ---- See also OldMeetingTopics

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Assistance on nzip.meta.net.nz
by Drew Broadley 20 Nov '04

20 Nov '04

Hi all, I am in need of a single standalone perl script that will open a file with a list of all of the subnets (ordered and each subnet is on a newline) and then remove any overlapping, unneeded subnets and print the output to stdout. I am unable to figure this out for myself and have been trying for a while. My only results are of unoptimised code and isn't useful at all. Thanks in advance, Drew

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Slackware current NZ mirror
by Gavin Denby 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

does anyone know where there is an NZ mirror hosting Salckware current 10.1 ( not the old 10.0 iso's but the data) My international downloads (and uploads too) are getting a bit high this month. -- "Engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." Dr A R Dykes.

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Overlapping usage nonsense
by Jared Wigmore 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Having got a network and Internet connection sharing set up (thanks Bruce), Xtra is now charging my family for "overlapping usage" via my Linux computer. (The Internet connection is on the family computer, with Windows XP professional.) Initially, web browsing at the same time as other family members was slow; now it seems to be normal dialup speed. Any advice? I'd far rather access slowly than expensively :) ===== -- JaredWigmore -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM/CS/S d? s+++:-- a? C++++ UL++ P--- L++ E>+++ W++ N>+ o? K- w--- O? M-- V-- PS-- Y-- PGP- t+++ 5? X R* tv b++ DI D G e- h! !r z- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.wlug.org.nz/JaredWigmore http://AnswersInGenisis.org/ http://www.againsttcpa.com/ ---------------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

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Thanks all
by Greig McGill 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Last night's presentation by Rodney Hide was a great success. Those expecting right wing propaganda were pleasantly surprised, and I believe we all learned a lot about the parliamentary process, and how to further our goals of Linux/OSS advocacy with Rodney's advice. For those who did not attend, a summary of Rodney's presentation is on the wiki at http://www.wlug.org.nz/ParliamentaryQuestions. Please read and contribute. A MASSIVE thank you to Steve Reeves, and the Computer Science department for sponsoring an "extra" meeting. This one was possibly the most worthwhile meeting we've had in terms of actually furthering the goals of our organisation, so thanks for helping to make it possible. Thanks again to all those who came, and thanks in advance to all those who contribute questions. Regards, Greig McGill President Waikato Linux Users Group Inc.

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RE: [wlug] Open Source promotion
by David Nicholls 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Mind you isn't this exactly what we want? To spark and encourage debate? -----Original Message----- From: Roderick Aldridge [mailto:rod-a(a)hnpl.net] Sent: Friday, 19 November 2004 8:44 am To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] Open Source promotion To avoid those opposed to open source from countering our activities we should consider ways of making it members-only who can take part. Should we do this? and if so how can we do it without big hassles? Roderick Aldridge _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Open Source promotion
by Roderick Aldridge 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

To avoid those opposed to open source from countering our activities we should consider ways of making it members-only who can take part. Should we do this? and if so how can we do it without big hassles? Roderick Aldridge

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Red Hat Enterprise Linux Monday 22 November - Tung U from Red Hat Asia Pacific will present a summary of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. He presented at the Red Hat World Tour and was extremely inspirational. Big business IS switching, and Red Hat is helping them do so. This promises to be an exciting talk whether you are involved with large enterprise operations or not. Tara Sutherland from Vodafone New Zealand may also explain how Vodafone switched their entire web services backend to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, though she is unconfirmed at this stage. 7pm, 22 November%%% University of Waikato%%% Room: LitB.G.02 Park in Gate 1, Knighton Rd * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map.pdf ---- See also OldMeetingTopics

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Meeting tonight 8pm (+ library books)
by John R. McPherson 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

A reminder that there is a WLUG meeting tonight at 8pm, at Waikato University. Also, if any WLUG members would like to borrow anything from the library and wants it to be brought along to the meeting, send email to librarian(a)wlug.org.nz to make a request. (You can browse the available items online at http://library.wlug.org.nz/) Anyone who currently has an item that they want to return can also bring the item back to a meeting. John McPherson

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mandrake cds
by David Nicholls 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

im probably being a pain in the but here but does anyone up at the uni currently have any of the latest mandrake cds? i can provide blanks <deep hopeful, soulful look> cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant School of Science & Engineering/Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

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RE: [wlug] Linux on PPC (Macs)
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

> From: Henry Harrison [mailto:henryh(a)clear.net.nz] > > You should be in pretty good shape with a Powerbook 17". One > of the video card vendors hasn't released an binary driver > for PPC (as they have for x86) though I can't remember which > off hand. You have the same issue with 802.11g that you do > with linux, no drivers for some chip sets. You'll need to > research your hardware. The Airport Extreme cards (what the 17" PB will have) are Broadcom based and the older Airport cards are Orinoco Silver/Gold hybrids. I don't know what Linux support is like for these but they're both common chipsets. I've had quite a few Macs over the years, got a G5 and an iBook currently, but I've never tried running Linux on them so I can't be much help there. As to Fink, I don't really use it but it is quite impressive what can be done with it. I once had KDE running on a rootless X11 server on the MacOS X desktop and all the applications I tried performed flawlessly. Matt Browne

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Tomorrow night - Rodney Hide.
by Greig McGill 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Hi All, There seems to have been some confusion about the time. Mr. Hide will be talking to us at 8pm. The odd time is due to his plane arriving around 7:20pm. Drinks and biscuits will be provided after the meeting. Hope to see you all there. All are welcome - not just members. Regards, Greig McGill

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RE: [wlug] Extra Meeting - this thursday
by David Nicholls 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Anyone alerting the local media/computing media or eveen the other local user groups to this meeting? The other user groups might find it interesting (ie pc/windows, Mac etc) Cheers... david -----Original Message----- On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 16:47 +1300, Greig McGill wrote: > Hi WLUG, and other interested parties. > > In an effort to step outside our little box, and to encourage members > of > the WLUG to consider the political aspects of Open Source, I have asked > Rodney Hide to come and speak to us. > > He will be speaking this Thursday evening (the 18th) at 8pm at our > usual > meeting location - Lit.B. at the University of Waikato. A map is at: > http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb > > Mr. Hide is, as you will all be aware, the leader of the ACT party. > He > posts a regularly updated blog at http://www.rodneyhide.com, and he is > all in favour of Open Source software. > > This meeting is open to all, so please, bring a friend. It'll be the > least "geeky" meeting we are likely to have until Nandor Tanczos joins > us sometime next year (yes, really - I like to hear both sides of an > argument - how about you?) so you are welcome to bring people who may > have been scared away by the more technical meetings. Supporting Open Source software is one thing (perhaps the only one) that Rodney Hide and Nandor Tancos agree on - witness this press release from Nandor Tancos today. I don´t suppose you could get Nandor to come as well - think of the headlines in the local media ¨Open Source unites sworn enemies¨ ..... 15 November 2004 Cut costs at IT giants' expense, not students Green Tertiary Education and IT Spokesperson Nandor Tanczos is hailing Victoria University's move to open source servers and suggests that Waikato University look at following suit. Both varsities have announced today that they need to reduce costs, but while Vic is achieving this by moving its admin, finance and HR systems to servers running the open source software 'Red Hat Linux', Waikato is instead looking at reducing staff numbers by doing some jobs less often and reviewing student-staff ratios. "Congratulations to Victoria for choosing to balance their budget by reducing how much money they give to multinational corporations; Waikato should follow their example instead of compromising the quality of their students' education," said Nandor, who is a Waikato graduate and lives in Hamilton. "Waikato prides itself for being a hot bed of innovation, but this time Victoria are the ones using their imagination and lateral thinking to look at the overall picture. "Tertiary institutions nationwide should take note of Victoria's move. Open source is a cheaper option all round and the education sector making greater use of it would benefit institutions, their students and the local software industry." > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Roderick Aldridge <rod-a(a)hnpl.net> _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Linux on PPC (Macs)
by Oliver Jones 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

Anyone here used Linux on PowerPC systems? Ie, Macs. I'm tossing up whether to buy a PowerBook G4 17" vs a Dell Latitude D800 15.4". The Powerbook is only ~$900 more and has a bigger screen. And considering my business partners experience with his D800 I'm worried about stability/reliability. I've been an x86 user since the dawn of time but after using my Mothers iBook for a while I've come to appreciate the simplicity, reliability and attractiveness of Apple gear. From what I read on the net Linux PPC (Yellow Dog etc) is quite good. Not that much different from RedHat and such. I've been a long time RH/Fedora user so I'm most familiar with RPM based distros. And from what I can tell Mac-on-Linux is very good at running a virtual MacOS system (for iTunes or whatever). Anyone here have any experience to share? At $5000 a pop I'm concerned about making the wisest choice... Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] Linux on PPC (Macs)
by David Nicholls 17 Nov '04

17 Nov '04

personally, no experience myself, however i can put you in touch with a friend who has. let me know if you want to get in touch with him. cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2004 12:48 pm To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] Linux on PPC (Macs) Anyone here used Linux on PowerPC systems? Ie, Macs. I'm tossing up whether to buy a PowerBook G4 17" vs a Dell Latitude D800 15.4". The Powerbook is only ~$900 more and has a bigger screen. And considering my business partners experience with his D800 I'm worried about stability/reliability. I've been an x86 user since the dawn of time but after using my Mothers iBook for a while I've come to appreciate the simplicity, reliability and attractiveness of Apple gear. From what I read on the net Linux PPC (Yellow Dog etc) is quite good. Not that much different from RedHat and such. I've been a long time RH/Fedora user so I'm most familiar with RPM based distros. And from what I can tell Mac-on-Linux is very good at running a virtual MacOS system (for iTunes or whatever). Anyone here have any experience to share? At $5000 a pop I'm concerned about making the wisest choice... Regards -- Oliver Jones > Director > <mailto:oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com> oliver(a)deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited > +64 (7) 377 3328 > <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com

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Solaris
by Gavin Denby 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

I see that solaris is being "set free" on Monday (US) anyone know how free, Its hard to find much on the Sun website. IS it 9 or 10 and is the source being opened yet too would be good questions to start with Any Solaris fans out there who can clarify some this beyond the cnet new feeds ?

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Committee meeting tomorrow
by Craig Box 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

Provisional agenda: 1. Minutes from previous meeting 2. Matters arising 3. Treasurer's report 4. Correspondence 5. General business ... anyone wanting anything on the agenda for this committee meeting is welcome to email me. Craig

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Re: [wlug] Extra Meeting - this thursday
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

Hi All, Sadly I am unable to attend. Regards John

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RE: [wlug] Extra Meeting - this thursday
by David Nicholls 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

Ahem... I actually have a friend who works there... I'll forward the message on and ask if they would be interested. -----Original Message----- From: Greig McGill [mailto:greig(a)hamiltron.net] Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2004 11:22 am To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] Extra Meeting - this thursday David Nicholls wrote: >Anyone alerting the local media/computing media or eveen the other >local user groups to this meeting? The other user groups might find it >interesting (ie pc/windows, Mac etc) > >Cheers... >david > > Hi Dave, Not at this stage. Jamie is letting the CS and Political Science depts. know. Other than that, I'm just hoping everyone will bring a friend! :) Lit. B is not too big, but you raise a good point about the media. Anyone got any contacts at the Waikato Times? /me delegates... Regards, Greig McGill. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [wlug] Extra Meeting - this thursday]
by Gavin Denby 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

I think I should clarify, as I think my comments may have been misconstrued. I am pleased to see Greig try to raise the profile of open source with political parties. Rodney and Nandor (sorry if i spell either wrong) have both made comments regarding open source, and therefore are logical contacts. I am not keen to see the LUG as such become political. However when you consider the millions of dollars spent on software by Government departments, and the possible effects of Spam legislation, Software patents and the like, there are real issues to discuss with those who influence policy issues. This is not being political, but rather raising issues that will affect us all in the years ahead. Also Greig very wisely suggested making Open Source an election issue. During campaigns every political party will want to promote its ideas on IT, open source, software patents, using Open V Proprietary formats, Probe, UBS V Unbundling, On-Line services ... and so on. By hosting a panel of representatives of Political parties, each explaining their views on IT issues, We get the chance to make the issue one they have to think about. Also as we can put the questions to the panel, we get to control some of the debate and show that the lug can be professional. These sorts of things well done can influence how issues are dealt with by a Government. Lindsay Druett wrote: > That's a good point actually... > > Obviously it sounds like Gavin is keen to have this, but if you're > really keen, firstly, Di Yates is actually a family friend of ours, > and I'm quite happy to ask her if she can come to speak to us. One what subject? If she were the minister of IT or Communications or something, then yes it would be relevant. Dianne is a local MP not an expert in IT issues. We are still a lug, and there needs to be a linux relevant issue before we really want to get involved. > Also, a friend of mine, Colin Ranby is standing in the Piako district > for the Destiny party (I know, I know, ....), he has up until a couple > of months ago worked for TelstraClear, and has been involved with > Technology for a number of years and is actually very down to earth > and is a really good guy, I'm also quite happy to ask him if he would > do a presentation again on what? Colin is a really nice guy, we have even worked together both in Communications and in Politics, but again he is not a spokesperson for the party on IT policy, and as far as I recall was not using linux when we last spoke. I think Greig has managed to walk a fine line here, and I think he has handled it well. This is not promoting any political party, but hopefully allows us to cover some of the dangers of poorly considered legislation with a number of people. If it goes well, perhaps in the future a door may be open to do a wider appeal meeting that can raise the image of the LUG as well as promote sensible debate on the issues that as IT professionals most of us have to deal with. The Lug should not be politicized but should be active in promoting discussion and debate about issues in the IT and Open Source industries. And I think this is a good start. For that reason I applauded Greigs efforts. Anything that make policy makers consider open source is a good thing. Other than that I have no axe to grind one way or the other. And I want to keep it that way. I have stated this just to keep the comment focused, and to clarify my earlier post. and by way of disclaimer I have been an Act candidate in the past , as well as CHP spokesman on Telecommunications and IT but my concern here is not political but rather the LUG and issues relating to open source users. I leave it to you to support your own political party.

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Extra Meeting - this thursday
by Greig McGill 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

Hi WLUG, and other interested parties. In an effort to step outside our little box, and to encourage members of the WLUG to consider the political aspects of Open Source, I have asked Rodney Hide to come and speak to us. He will be speaking this Thursday evening (the 18th) at 8pm at our usual meeting location - Lit.B. at the University of Waikato. A map is at: http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb Mr. Hide is, as you will all be aware, the leader of the ACT party. He posts a regularly updated blog at http://www.rodneyhide.com, and he is all in favour of Open Source software. This meeting is open to all, so please, bring a friend. It'll be the least "geeky" meeting we are likely to have until Nandor Tanczos joins us sometime next year (yes, really - I like to hear both sides of an argument - how about you?) so you are welcome to bring people who may have been scared away by the more technical meetings. This is a great opportunity to get Linux and Open Source software in general into the list of campaign issues for the upcoming elections, so please, come along and show Mr. Hide that Linux and OSS matters to many people. In return, you will get a very lively speaker - I've had the pleasure of hearing Mr. Hide speak before, and I can't wait for a re-run! :) Forward this to all who might be interested. Regards, Greig McGill President Waikato Linux Users Group Inc.

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

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Our leader on tv
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

Hi All, Whilst watching a PC game review on TV yesterday I saw a cut shot showing an evil leader from game land speaking to his throng. It said in part. "You are living under the the benevolence of the iron fist". Seeing and hearing this prompted me to don my foil hat and await further instructions. Did not hear anything yet, are we going to be OK???????????? :-) Regards John If you want another laugh, ask me how the Gentoo install is going !!!!!!

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help requested on making an iso
by Gavin Denby 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

I am helping out a friend in the US who has drifted of to sleep (understandably) I have downloaded from him a slackware directory structure from a cd and after some fixes we wish to make it into a bootable CD iso. SO far I can do everything except figure out how to make the cd bootable. Can anyone point me to a guide (that makes sense) on using mkisofs or can I use a better tool such as k3b in some way I am missing. Everything we need from slackware should be there (isolinux and such) but I cannot figure out what is missing to make the iso boot. I even tried under windows, but that was worse as the boot images tried to load a floppy. Any help appreciated, as this is something I have never done before ( and now I know why) is there a simple guide to making a bootable slackware install cd ?

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Fwd: Re: [wlug] Gentoo install
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

Sorry Daniel did not mean to reply to you only This is another possible problem! nano -w /mnt/gentoo/etc/make.conf I have a PENTIUM3 processor so am writing, CFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -pipe -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer #-mcpu686 has been deleted by me as I thought it was causing a conflict CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" #CHOST is unchanged as per the warning! #I am assuming this to mean exactly the same for CXXFLAGS as CFLAGS MAKEOPTS="j2" <control X then enter> Does this appear to be correct?? Regards John > The section you referred to did not exist when I installed > gentoo. While it is not marked as an optional section, > I'd say it is optional - you may find compilation takes a > bit longer if you have multiple locales, but it > definitely won't kill anything. > >

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Sangoma Wanpipe Frame Relay Interface boards.
by Oliver Jones 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

I have a couple of Sangoma Wanpipe boards I want to sell. I have a quad port (dual cpu) 5142 PCI Frame Relay (serial V.35/X.21/RS232) interface board and a dual port (single cpu) 5141 PCI Frame Relay (V.35/X.21/RS232) interface board. Both are in excellent condition. They were working sweet when I last used them many moons ago and they have been in storage in their original boxes since then. The dual channel board cost about $2500 originally and the single channel about $1500. Not sure what they are worth now. I originally imported them from Canada. I would be interested in any offers. I'm offering them here because I thought A) Linux users are more likely to need/want this sort of thing, B) they work in Linux really well as Sangoma Wanpipe drivers have been in the Kernel for many years. If no one here is interested I'll stick 'em up on Trademe. Specs: http://www.sangoma.com/products/p_s5141-specs.htm http://www.sangoma.com/products/p_s5142a-specs.htm Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Gentoo install
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 11 Nov '04

11 Nov '04

Hi All. I have just noticed the the printed instructions that I have are a few lines short of a page: Installing the Gentoo base system in my book has Code 8 listing: opening /etc/make.conf code 9 listing: USE setting then goes straight to Optional: using distributed compiling Revisiting the Gentoo site has shown this info to be on the page also.. < You will probably only use one or maybe two locales on your system. Up until now after compiling glibc a full set of all available locales will be created. As of now you can activate the userlocales USE flag and specify only the locales you will need in /etc/locales.build. Code Listing 10: Activate the userlocales USE flag especially for glibc # mkdir /etc/portage # echo "sys-libs/glibc userlocales" >> /etc/portage/package.use Now specify the locales you want to be able to use: Code Listing 11: nano -w /etc/locales.build en_US/ISO-8859-1 en_US.UTF-8/UTF-8 de_DE/ISO-8859-1 de_DE(a)euro/ISO-8859-15 Optional: Using Distributed Compiling > Is this a likely reason for the install going badly for me??? Will I need en_US/ISO-8895-1 ? just one entry? Regards John

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ISP plans (was Along comes another Fedora Core release...)
by David Nicholls 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

interesting... i know someone else who wanted to go the orcon way and got sick of waiting so went back to telecom. prob is they cant get hold of orcom to cancel. they are now left wondering if somethings happened to them. anyone know? cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 11:46 am Subject: Re: [wlug] Along comes another Fedora Core release... On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 11:29, Gavin Denby wrote: I am getting my jetstream upgrade tomorrow, so not yet sorry. But then I get the new 40 GB/mth limits What ISP/Plan is that? I switched to Orcon last week. Sick of Telecom. Waiting to get switched over though. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Director > <mailto:oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com> oliver(a)deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited > +64 (7) 377 3328 > <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] ISP plans (was Along comes another Fedora Core release...)
by Lindsay Druett 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

Ironically, I was talking to Richard from Satlan last night about upgrading my aDSL connection, and he pointed to Telecom Website, and yeah, this does take quite a bit of find (quite deliberate I'd say), but you can get to here, http://www.telecom.co.nz/chm/0,5123,203160-202570,00.html , and here are the plans that you can get from other ISPs. He tells me it works, so all I have to do is sign up for the new plan I want. They do the change on your billing day. Incidentally, both Clear Communications and Telstra (when they were separate) had little ATD boxes which did digit insertion, so when you dialled say 095209414, it inserted 050 in front so that you got 050095209414. I wish I kept some of those, does anyone know where they can be sourced from, I going to have a hunt, but they could save $ 10.00 a month now :) Maybe you know Gavin. Oh well, I'm about to go in for our monthly Telecom meeting, I'll ask them - I won't mention the ATD idea. -----Original Message----- From: David Nicholls Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:56 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] ISP plans (was Along comes another Fedora Core release...) interesting... i know someone else who wanted to go the orcon way and got sick of waiting so went back to telecom. prob is they cant get hold of orcom to cancel. they are now left wondering if somethings happened to them. anyone know? cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 11:46 am Subject: Re: [wlug] Along comes another Fedora Core release... On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 11:29, Gavin Denby wrote: I am getting my jetstream upgrade tomorrow, so not yet sorry. But then I get the new 40 GB/mth limits What ISP/Plan is that? I switched to Orcon last week. Sick of Telecom. Waiting to get switched over though. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Director > <mailto:oliver.jones(a)deeperdesign.com> oliver(a)deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited > +64 (7) 377 3328 > <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] The Microsoft Antivirus Reward Program
by Lindsay Druett 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

> Sure, but if there's an unknown potential flaw in a window of > your house, which > causes it to break if tapped three times or somesuch, and a > thief uses this to > break in and steal all your stuff. > Regardless of the fact that the window company may or may not > be fixing the > issue in future, would you make such snide comments if the > police etc still > hunted the thief and the window making company put up some > incentive to assist > this? I don't think so. > > Not trying to defend MS here or anything like that, just that > the whole "it's > cool to bash microsoft without thinking about it, because > we're linux people > and therefore we're so much smarter/better than them" > attitude grows tiresome > at times. But at the end of the day, using the scenario here, the job of the window company is to fix this flaw and stop producing windows with this flaw, not go around and knee-cap someone because they discovered and exploited this flaw. Believe it or not, Chubb international have a safe somewhere with a wod of cash in it, and if someone successfully breaks into that safe, providing they tell Chubb how they broke into that safe, the money is theirs. I'm not trying to defend criminals, but I don't think it's Microsoft's place to knee-cap people who exploit their vulnerabilities, it's their job to proactively find and fix vulnerabilities and not make any vulnerabilities public knowledge without a solution to fix the problem.

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RE: [wlug] The Microsoft Antivirus Reward Program
by Lindsay Druett 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

> You are right in that it is Microsoft's first responsibility should be > to correct the flaws in its products and commercial behaviour > that allow > these problems to propagate. It is however in their interest to also > try and find and prosecute these individuals. A few high profile > convictions may send a "message" to virus writers that what they do > isn't so smart. > Yes, but from any level of incident response, the DIY approach is not a good approach. Personally, I see this as Microsoft taking the law into their own hands. I can fully understand the Microsoft is rather pissed at the moment. The appropriate authorities such as the FBI in America, or closer to home, the NZ Police Electronic Crimes Lab are there to hunt down, catch, arrest, and convict cyber-criminals. Tell me, what is the difference between me beating up a thief with a baseball bat and Microsoft doing what they intend to do. > The only problem we have is that the "good guys" could get > painted with > the same brush as the "bad guys". The "good guys" being > those grey and > white hats who find bugs and write proof of concept exploits and post > them to forums such as bugtraq. These guys help make the software > safer. However as a side effect they also help the morons who write > 800k VB viruses cause havoc. Which is unfortunate. But it is > ultimately the moronic VB virus coders who are the problem not the > people who find the software flaws in the first place. > It's the case of slowly educating the public, people are slow learners. If they only realised that stealing cars these days also requires a similar level of skill.

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Along comes another Fedora Core release...
by Oliver Jones 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

Along comes another Fedora Core release, so here comes the obligatory beg for a copy on CD. :) Anyone out there with bandwidth to burn who wouldn't mind burning me a copy? Thanks PS, Got my copy of Halo 2 this morning.... champing at the bit to play but gotta work... damn it. ;) Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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The Microsoft Antivirus Reward Program
by Lindsay Druett 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

Hey All, Please excuse the hypertext, but this came from LAN1s website, http://www.lan1.co.nz/default.aspx?p=snippet&story=1 , Fasinating... The Microsoft Antivirus Reward Program In an effort to help law enforcement agencies identify and bring to justice those who illegally release damaging worms, viruses, and other types of malicious code on the Internet, Microsoft has created the Microsoft® Antivirus Reward Program, initially funded with US$5 million. Through this program, Microsoft will offer monetary rewards to persons who provide information that leads to the arrest and conviction of those responsible for launching malicious viruses and worms on the Internet. Both the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Secret Service, in coordination with Interpol, will investigate leads that are provided through this program in order to identify and prosecute those responsible for such crimes that harm the private industry and the public. $750,000 in Awards Currently Offered Microsoft is offering three rewards under the Antivirus Rewards Program. . The first reward, in the amount of US$250,000, is for information that results in the arrest and conviction of those responsible for launching the MSBlast.A worm (also known as Blaster). The worm was designed to prevent consumers from installing the latest software updates by attacking Microsoft's Windows® Update website, which provides updates to help users protect their computers against malicious attacks. . The second reward, in the amount of $250,000, is for information that results in the arrest and conviction of those responsible for launching the Sobig virus. This virus, the first variant of which was detected on January 10, 2003, attacked individual machines and sent itself to each e-mail address in the computer's contact list. The Sobig.B and Sobig.C variants of the virus made messages appear as if they had come from official Microsoft e-mail addresses. . The third reward, in the amount of $250,000, is for information that results in the arrest and conviction of those responsible for launching the Mydoom.B worm. Mydoom.B is a variant of the MyDoom.A worm, also known as the Novarg worm, which spread quickly to infect computers worldwide. The release of Mydoom.B triggered the first alert from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's new National Cyber Alert System.

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New releases today
by Craig Box 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

Slashdot will no doubt have picked up on these, but Fedora Core 3 and the Novell Linux Desktop 9 have both been released. FC3 is available from http://fedora.redhat.com/ (use the torrent at http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/) - we'll have it by the end of the day and I'm sure that some people will grab it from those who have it and arrange distribution. The NLD is a "commercial product" with a "30 day evaluation version", which is the standard full version with a Novell ZENworks (Red Carpet, for those who remember Ximian) Update code valid that's only valid for 30 days - you can still use it forever. Based on Phil Kangro's demonstration and reviews, it sounds like this will be a very interesting release. Built on SUSE 9.2 and running GNOME 2.6, this is basically what Ximian do now. Check it out at http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/index.html?sourceidint=homepage_annou ncement1 and we'll probably have a copy of that by the end of today too. Craig

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FW: Y Windows
by David Nicholls 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

This one souns interesting guys -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lee [mailto:mike(a)loginlogic.net] Sent: Saturday, 6 November 2004 5:45 pm To: David Nicholls Subject: Fw: Y Windows > Heard of it?? > > http://www.y-windows.org/about.html

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Books... anyone want these?
by Oliver Jones 05 Nov '04

05 Nov '04

Hi. I have a few books I no longer need. They aren't Linux related but some geeks amongst you all might want them. They are: Access 97 Developers Handbook - good Access 97 programming manual, probably applies to later versions but I've never used Access past the '97 version so I wouldn't know. Programming Windows 95 (Charles Petzold) - The Petzold books a very good. Held up as the best Windows API books etc. Obviously this is a tad out of date as the Win32 API has moved on a bit but I'm sure a lot of it is still useful to some degree. This teachs the Win32 API. No frameworks. Just raw C API. Programming Windows 95 with MFC. If you want to be productive programming GUI apps in Windows you need to learn some sort of framework. MFC is Microsoft's framework of doom. No doubt this book is very aged. I imagine MFC would have moved on quite a lot since this was published. But it may still be somewhat relevant. However if I was to write a GUI app in Windows these days I'd write it in C# or some such thing. If anyone has any interest please email me. Otherwise I'll try and find homes for them on Trademe... Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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live cd
by David Nicholls 02 Nov '04

02 Nov '04

anyone up here at the uni happen to have a live cd of any sort handy i can get a copy of? cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant School of Science & Engineering/Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

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Re: [wlug] Job Search reqeust
by Lindsay Druett 01 Nov '04

01 Nov '04

> Since a client cancelled a contract I had lined up for summer while > I'm on a break from uni I find myself in need of a job. I thought > there may be someone on this list that needs a willing worker for the > summer (and possibly during semester as well). > I'm a competant programmer, mainly Java but some experience in C and > PHP as well. I've written commercial software (two small business > accounting packages and a customer services database). I have some > SQL experience. Willing to learn new things. Would really > appreciate a job where I can develop SysAdmin or networking skills. Well, it seems like young fellas these days are right into pick and choose. I would have got my ear clipped for this 15-20 years ago. Yep, if there is a young fella who has done an electrical pre-apprenticeship course, or is an electrical apprentice who needs to kill some hours of of his/her apprenticeship, then I could do do with some assistance with fitting off a house that is being built by Habitat For Humanity, it is voluntary work (you will be working for God), but there is an inroad to learning a useful trade. I would also be happy with someone who current holds his/her EST practicing licence. I will be doing the fit off sometime this week.

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Job Search reqeust
by James Pluck 31 Oct '04

31 Oct '04

Since a client cancelled a contract I had lined up for summer while I'm on a break from uni I find myself in need of a job. I thought there may be someone on this list that needs a willing worker for the summer (and possibly during semester as well). I'm a competant programmer, mainly Java but some experience in C and PHP as well. I've written commercial software (two small business accounting packages and a customer services database). I have some SQL experience. Willing to learn new things. Would really appreciate a job where I can develop SysAdmin or networking skills. If anyway has any leads or would like to talk to me please email me or give me a call. James Pluck. papabearnz(a)gmail.com cell: 0-21-236 6900 home: 0-7-858 3338 (Hamilton) Thank you. I now return you to your regularly scheduled list. -- I, on the other hand, am a fully rounded human being with a degree from the university of life, a diploma from the school of hard knocks, and three gold stars from the kindergarten of getting the shit kicked out of me. -- Edmund BlackAdder

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Oct '04

31 Oct '04

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Anyone else noted landscape printing problems?
by Michael McDonald 30 Oct '04

30 Oct '04

Yesterday I had some difficulty trying to address a set of envelopes for an organisation that I belong to. Was using Open Office (using mail merge) running under Fedora Core 2. The envelopes were being printed in landscape mode. The problem was that the addresses did not print at the planned position. Changing margins etc, to try and fix the problem didn't work as sometimes the shift in location didn't match the change! In order to get the job done, I had to use Open Office running under Windows XP. Also, I've noted that sometimes when I specify a custom page size, all I get is a blank sheet! The fix to that problem is to specify A4 and adjust right and bottom margins to suit. Comments, anyone? Michael

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gentoo cds
by Stephen Pearce 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Hi Has anyone downloaded the gentoo live universal cd and the packages cd (86 architectecture). I tried recently and the internet connection choked... If so would you be able to send me copies for media and postage? Thanks Stephen

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[Fwd: Fake RedHat - Fedora Security Patch / Trojan Source Code & Analysis]
by Greig McGill 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

You probably all read slashdot, but here is the security advisory anyway. Be careful out there, boys and girls! Your friendly neighbourhood FIST OF DOOM!

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Oct '04

24 Oct '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Live fixup demonstration Monday 25 October (Labour Day) - taking advantage of the holiday, we will start at 4pm, look over a few peoples problems, and run a presentation at 5pm with an introduction on how to find answers to Linux questions online (especially Google and the Wiki), 10 min Q&A and then go over fixing some problems live on a big screen. This one is a great opportunity for new and inexperienced users! Please bring machines. 4pm, 25 October%%% University of Waikato%%% Room: LitB.G.02 Park in Gate 1, Knighton Rd * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map.pdf

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Re: [wlug] Re Wiki Gentoo notes
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 23 Oct '04

23 Oct '04

Buggar!!!! Thanks ----- Original Message Follows ----- > On Sat, 2004-10-23 at 21:03 +1300, jaytee(a)clear.net.nz > > wrote: I did the boot from install disk and made the > > changes I thought needed, everything went pretty well > > until I: "make dep && make bzImage modules > > modules_install" <enter> There was a fair bit of > > activety then a report "make: no rule to make target > > bzImages". Stop regards John > > There is no bzImages. Just bzImage. Did you typo? > > G. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Re Wiki Gentoo notes
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 23 Oct '04

23 Oct '04

----- Original Message Follows ----- > One of the (many) great things about gentoo is that it > doesn't force you into a pre-defined install pattern. > > > What you should do, is boot from the install disk like > your starting from scratch - then just mount your disks > (mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo > mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot > swapon /dev/hda2 etc.) > then enter the chroot enviroment > (chroot /mnt/gentoo > env-update > source /etc/profile etc.) > > then you can just correct what is wrong - ie by running > genkernel I did the boot from install disk and made the changes I thought needed, everything went pretty well until I: "make dep && make bzImage modules modules_install" <enter> There was a fair bit of activety then a report "make: no rule to make target bzImages". Stop regards John

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Fwd: Re: [wlug] Re Wiki Gentoo notes
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 23 Oct '04

23 Oct '04

----- Message Forwarded on Fri 22/10/2004 ----- From: "" <jaytee(a)clear.net.nz> To: Felix <ferina(a)xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [wlug] Re Wiki Gentoo notes Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:37:50 +1300 ----- Original Message Follows ----- > ^G = Get Help > ^O = Write File > ^X = Exit, > If modified it will ask "Save modified buffer ..." > Y(es)/N(o)/^C(ancel) Felix. I did not get these options,, it is a very minimal bash script in Grub edit. I can make changes but not keep them for next boot time.. All I made a major error in compiling the kernel so am going to reinstall from scratch for two reasons. One: I am not sure if the error is recoverable Two: I am becoming a bit less scared of the command environment. There is one thing that is are a bit of a problem, Capital o and zero are a bit of a guess, is there a rule whe it should be a 0 (zero) and when it should be a O (o) Regards John...

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Passwords and SSH
by Perry Lorier 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

I have had several people talk to me over the last few days about having their machine compromised. The infection vector appears to be weak ssh passwords. The compromise appears to based on people scanning for open ssh ports then brute forcing passwords before installing a Trojan that connects to IRC and accept commands from a channel (such as .ddos <ip>). Please, make sure you're using a secure password. If passwd warns you that a password is insecure, CHANGE IT. http://www.wlug.org.nz/ChoosingPasswords provides a couple of methods on how to choose a good password. Make sure everything is up to date on your system: for debian: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade -u for fedora core click on the blinking red (!) in the corner to get it to do the updates. If you don't use ssh (or don't know what it is) DISABLE IT, or just uninstall it. If you do use ssh, consider using tcpwrappers to lock it to something like "*.nz". See http://www.wlug.org.nz/AdvancedSecurityNotes. To check if you've been compromised, try "locate emech". If it shows up any files (particularly in /tmp or /var/tmp) then you have been compromised. Bugger. If you have, and need help, email me off list and we'll talk about what you can do.

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Live fixup demonstration Monday 25 October (Labour Day) - taking advantage of the holiday, we will start at 4pm, look over a few peoples problems, and run a presentation at 5pm with an introduction on how to find answers to Linux questions online (especially Google and the Wiki), 10 min Q&A and then go over fixing some problems live on a big screen. This one is a great opportunity for new and inexperienced users! Please bring machines. 4pm, 25 October%%% University of Waikato%%% Room: LitB.G.02 Park in Gate 1, Knighton Rd * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map.pdf

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Re: [wlug] Re Wiki Gentoo notes
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

(EDIT) ..have NOT figured out a way to save.. blush: > Regards John.....

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Re: [wlug] Re Wiki Gentoo notes
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

Hi All, I have just installed Gentoo On my desktop. I did however, make a few errors on the way to boot time (I can see the surprised looks :-) ) When I created (in Nano)/boot/grub/grub.conf I made an entry of: kernel /kernel-2.4226-gentoo-r6. the correct entry is: kernel /kernel-2.4.26-gentoo-r6. I am able to correct this in grub but I have figured out a way to save the change. ^X does not do it and I am loathe to hit keys at random as I have already had some undesirable results due to this. There are more errors but I thought I would try doing one thing at a time for a change. I think some of my newbiness might have worn off in the last week or so hee hee. Regards John.....

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October committee meeting minutes available
by Craig Box 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Hi everyone, WLUG committee met last night - as usual, our minutes are available on the Wiki, this time at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2004-10-20. Please remember the upcoming WLUG meeting on Monday is at 4pm and that there will be a presentation at 5pm. Bring things that need fixing! Regards, Craig

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RE: [wlug] MacOS X....
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

> From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] > > http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ooo-osx_downloads.html > <http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ooo-osx_downloads.html> > > > Hmm. Same place I was looking before. Lots of the mirrors > report 404 errors. I managed to get a copy from one of the > mirrors in the end though. After installing X11 and OOo I > fired it up and it's about as good as you could expect for a > Unix app on a Mac. Ie, not very good. It would do for a > geek like me. I could put up with it being completely > different to everything else. But on reflection I think I > need a more "MacOS" like app for my mother. So I downloaded > the MS Office:Mac 30 day trial. I will give that a going > over and see if it is worth the $700+ it costs.... I don't know much about Mac Office software, I never need anything like that, but from what I hear, many Mac users don't like either of MS Office or Open Office. If word processing is all your mother needs, it might be worth checking out some of these instead... Nisus Writer http://www.nisus.com/Express/ Abiword http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/abiword/ NeoOffice/J (Open Office with Java UI) http://www.planamesa.com/neojava/en/index.php If you're after any other software, it might be worth having a look through the categories here: http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx/ And http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/

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ICS control
by Jared Wigmore 19 Oct '04

19 Oct '04

I'm using Internet Connection Sharing to access the (family) Windows computer's Internet connection from my Linux box. How could it be controlled (eg connect/disconnect) from Linux? ===== -- JaredWigmore -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM/CS/S d? s+++:-- a? C++++ UL++ P--- L++ E>+++ W++ N>+ o? K- w--- O? M-- V-- PS-- Y-- PGP- t+++ 5? X R* tv b++ DI D G e- h! !r z- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.wlug.org.nz/JaredWigmore http://AnswersInGenisis.org/ http://www.againsttcpa.com/ ---------------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Live fixup demonstration Monday 25 October (Labour Day) - taking advantage of the holiday, we will start at 4pm, look over a few peoples problems, and run a presentation at 5pm with an introduction on how to find answers to Linux questions online (especially Google and the Wiki), 10 min Q&A and then go over fixing some problems live on a big screen. This one is a great opportunity for new and inexperienced users! Please bring machines. 4pm, 25 October%%% University of Waikato%%% Room: LitB.G.02 Park in Gate 1, Knighton Rd * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb * http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map.pdf

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Re Wiki Gentoo notes
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

Hi All I thought I saw some one demonstrate a really easy way of getting files downloaded and installed in the Gentoo distro. As root # up <name_of_package> Computer then searches for and reports back: "I would install Files <name> to <name> If the user was satisfied with the report then the "p" is deleted <enter> and the update goes ahead. I did not put this in the wiki In case I was totally wrong, it did happen once :-) Regards John

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Removing FC2
by Gun Caundle 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

I have FC2 on a box that I want to put Windows on. How do I uninstall FC2? Any help would be appreciated.

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SuSE boot challenge
by Gun Caundle 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

I have just installled SuSE Standard Server 8 on a AMD 1200 with 384 RAM. The installation told me it was successful. I previously had FC2 on this PC. I booted normally and go a black screen immediately after: "Starting httpd PERL SSL" Using 'Ctl-Alt-F1' I logged in and in text mode was able to shut down OK. I tried another video card and Yast detected it along with the onboard card (S3 Pro Savage DDR-K) I used originally. I checked out the SuSE Hardware database and the onboard card is fully supported. I removed the temporary card, plugged into the onboard card and this time SuSE booted into KDE! For about a week I booted into KDE and played around with the network settings but then one morning it went back to the black screen immediately after: "Starting httpd PERL SSL". Every time I boot, this is as far as it will go. Any help would be appreciated

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StartCom Linux
by Gavin Denby 13 Oct '04

13 Oct '04

Based on my search for desktop targeted linuxes, and the WLUG's commitment to Redhat/Fedora I wondered if anyone has any experience with StartCom Linux It looks promising but seems based on RHEL rather than fedora, but since it used up2date it may need only to have the source lists changed to get to fedora core upgrades, but without the long task of reinstalling all the "extra's" that are missing in fedora core. I wonder if this could be a distro we could use for new users that everyone could also support as it seems to cover most bases. I will download and try it, but it will take me the best part of a week to get all the cd's down and burnt. so If anyone has any experiences to share, I would appreciate them. the basic specs for the new multimedia version is : Based on the stability, reliability and security of it's Enterprise brother for it's system functionality, ML-3.0.3 offers the demanding home user a operating system he can rely on and trust: * Most stable Linux 2.4 kernel * Complete Desktop environment * Administrative Management Tools * Complete Office Suite * Peer-To-Peer Tools * Secure Multi User Environment * Enhanced Device Capabilities * SMB (Windows) File sharing * Mozilla Web Browser * Firefox Web Browser * Wine - Windows API implementation (Runs Windows and DOS programs) * Xine MultiMedia Center * DVD / CD Burning Tools * Various P2P Tools (aMule, Fasttrack, gNutella (Kazaa)) * OpenOffice Suite * Various Sound Players for MP3, VOG etc. * Desklets Enhancements * Various Chat, Speech and Video Conferencing * Various Graphic Manipulation Tools * Games -- "Engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." Dr A R Dykes.

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python can't find distutils
by Glenn Ramsey 13 Oct '04

13 Oct '04

Hi, I'm having some trouble trying to install a python app, driconf, on a mandrake 10 system: # python setup.py install 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback Traceback (most recent call last): File "setup.py", line 1, in ? from distutils.core import setup ImportError: No module named distutils.core Python and distutils appear to be installed: # rpm -q python python-2.3.3-2mdk # ls /usr/lib/python2.3/distutils/ archive_util.py debug.pyo fancy_getopt.pyo spawn.pyc ... I have looked on Google but found that other instances of this problem happen on Debian systems when the python-dev package, which contains distutils, isn't installed. On Mandrake however I think the distutils is part of the main python package. I haven't changed any of the relevant configuration so it should be whatever the package set it up as. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to make it work? Thanks g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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Fwd: Re: [wlug] NewbieNetworkNiggles
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

----- Message Forwarded on Mon 11/10/2004 ----- From: "" <jaytee(a)clear.net.nz> To: Daniel Lawson <daniel(a)meta.net.nz> Subject: Re: [wlug] NewbieNetworkNiggles Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:46:19 +1300 Hi For some reason it is not possible to boot from the C/D it says "loading the Kernel" then locks solid at 30% loaded claiming there has been a boot error or a I/O error. I am able to use the C/D to start in a failsafe mode and can log on as root but it is text only that is login.... password..... Then a black screen with white txt Maybe it would be worth while trying. Are you able to give me some instructions to try please? Regards John > > DCOP is part of the KDE infrastructure if I recall > correctly. Can you log in to a console as root? You > could delete and re-add your user, which would save a > reinstall. > > > If you boot off the install CD again, you can just install > over the top of your existing linux install (As long as > you are installing the same version you installed > beforehand). > > Daniel >

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Re: [wlug] NewbieNetworkNiggles
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Hi Again. I think I am going to miss out on my break and the chocolate fish, I just totally broke itchy :-( Must be pretty serious as I cannot start KDE. It appears that some durned fool has been messing around with my network settings destroying my home directory and a thing called Dcon (Dcop?) in the process. Does any one have a rm commannd that will remove linux entirely and leave windows intact? I wish to reinstall the programme and start the exercise again with virgin settings. Regards John..

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Re: [wlug] NewbieNetworkNiggles
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

Maybe I need to be a little clearer on my first objective which is to network two seperate machines. Network to me means that if I am at machine #1 I will be able to "see" and use a file eg jpeg, txt etc from machine #2 and vice versa Having read an article in NZ PC which showed it to be a simple task with minimal settings to alter I thought I would attempt it. This is what I know The cable is a crossover cable and a light shines at each computer at the point of entry, this inicates to me that there is at least a hard connection between the machines. After swithing off the firewalls I used a gui called network services/hostnames to configure the address's The host? names are #1 itchy ip address 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 #2 scratchy ip 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 Then I used a gui called network devices/network card to turn off dchp and recheck the host configurations. The machines now use there respective names so john(a)itchy is my user name for one and john(a)scratchy for the other. Root comes back as itchy:/home/john ping is giving ping scratchy ping: unknown host scratchy ping 192.168.0.2 PING 192.168.0.2 (192.168.02) 56(84)bytes of data. >From 192.168.0.1: icm_seq=2 Destination host unreachable Change machines. ping itchy unknown host itchy ping 192.168.0.1 connect: network is unreachable The reason I was twittering on about work group is that after all the changes, I went back to the desk top and tried to open my "network" from one of the icons. It returned the "cannot find a workgroup" and I did not find a "put_the_workgroup_here" any where I looked Hope this is a little easier to follow. Do you think that I should kill that Wiki entry as it does look pretty awful in the daylight. <ping>Bruce I am in Wanganui but will be back before the next wlug meet. Regards John

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RE: [wlug] WLUG Members - Input Required
by David Nicholls 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

1. funding/rig etc... Well, for a rig or something of this nature how about getting some sponsorship for it? Dse might be a good place to start. Also if you are looking at other ideas, how about trying for funding for CDs with the LDP/tutorials/talks the lug has given, funding for a linux/wlug "road show" to businesses, and other groups mentioned in the charter? 2. newbie stuff... Definitely a must. Mayberetool the lecture series that gets put on up here up at the uni. Three things I think are really important are: - installation (still... even if it is getting easier), especially as some people set up home networks and want to connect - configuration - troubleshooting Oh and maybe add a fourth... - help resources. how and where to get them Oh hey what about having the equivalent of "support group meetings"? I think its DunLUG who meet in a café or something like that... We could organise similar nights for newbie groups to meet with more experienced users maybe and let some of that knowledge rub off maybe or something similar? I don't know. Perhaps that sounds silly. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Greig McGill [mailto:greig(a)hamiltron.net] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:32 pm Subject: [wlug] WLUG Members - Input Required 1. WLUG Funding Last year, the committee attempted to raise funds for the purchase of a mobile test rig/demo lab consisting of a server, a workstation, and several peripherals for use in presentations, training, and perhaps community education. We were declined on all three attempts, but will be trying again this year. What we need to know is: Is this a good goal for funding? Do you have a better idea? Is there a service you would like to see the WLUG provide that is currently unrealistic due to funding restrictions? Keep in mind that funding must be applied for with a specific project in mind, as funding cannot be used to meet ongoing running costs, or allow for events that may not happen. 2. New and Inexperienced Users As mentioned at the AGM, the WLUG has been accused of being unsupportive of new or inexperienced users. It was explained that the *active* members of the WLUG, ie. the ones who do all the work, are experienced users, and are thus unlikely to arrange meetings on beginner topics, or arrange installfests, which they have little desire to attend. We don't wish to alienate the new or inexperienced users however, but we need some of them to step up, and volunteer to present some beginner topics, arrange workshops, and perhaps start a "beginner stream". You will have the full backing, and support of the "old hands" - just tell us what you need. I repeat TELL US WHAT YOU NEED! Nothing is more demoralising than being complained at for not providing something which no one has ever told us they wanted. We do have something scheduled for the new people. October's meeting will be dedicated to using the WLUG resources - the Wiki, mailing list, effective use of Google, etc. It will also feature a live "fixup workshop". This will consist of people bringing their "broken" setups, and we will pick a few, and solve them, live, on the projector. This will not only get the problem fixed, but will show the troubleshooting process, and hopefully demystify the black-magic aspect of what the 'gurus' of the group do. Details will follow. Suggestions are welcome and encouraged. Regards, Greig McGill ElPresidente :)

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KMail: Access from Windows
by Felix 06 Oct '04

06 Oct '04

I am using KMail as my mail client, however, I have to use Windows for one program and have access to the e-mail messages at the same time. I haven't been able to find a program who can do this. Do you know of one? Would it work if I'd use Thunderbird? Of course then there is the problem that the KMail files are on a Reiser partition, but that could probably be solved by moving the files and using a simlink. Thanks Felix

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RE: [wlug] MacOS X....
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 06 Oct '04

06 Oct '04

> From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] > > Not overly impressed with Safari though (aka KHTML + Apple > UI). Apple should have used Gecko for their HTML component. > Firefox and Safari share many UI similarities. I think I'd rather they had used Gecko too, but Firefox wasn't anywhere near what it is like to day back when they started working on Safari. I think feature similarity is because both camps have been regularly taking ideas from each other.

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GNOME 2.8
by Daniel Lawson 05 Oct '04

05 Oct '04

I'm sure a lot of you have already used GNOME 2.8. Many of the Ubuntu reviewers and commenters will be in part commenting on GNOME 2.8, rather than anything specifically Ubuntu. I've just upgraded my Gentoo workstation at home to use GNOME 2.8, and I thought I'd share the experience, and make some comments on it. First of all, I've been running GNOME 2.6 since it came out, but I admit I didn't delve too deeply into some aspects of it. So if I mention something here that was in GNOME 2.6, please forgive me! I'm currently sitting at a Windows XP laptop, using my workstation via VNC. This was one of the features that prompted me to upgrade to 2.8 before the Gentoo GNOME team declared it stable. GNOME 2.8 has an integrated VNC client - accessable via the menu at Application -> Desktop Preferences -> Remote Desktop. The quality of a VNC session depends entirely upon the implementation of the viewer, and I found TightVNC to be lacking. RealVNC seems much better. Neither seem particular better than running an XServer on my laptop and using XDMCP, however that doesn't let me connect to an existing session. Despite being a little bit slow, and some key events not registering properly, this is pretty good. First score to GNOME 2.8. Also, my laptop has a lower screen resolution than my desktop. Scrolling round through the VNC window was tedious, so I used the screen resizer tool (Gnome 2.4 bought this in, I think) which will actually resize your desktop properly, instead of changing the viewport size. Amazing! Wonderful! About time! I'm writing this email in Evolution 2.0.1. I think, at this point, that I like it more than I liked Evolution previously. Its layout is cleaner; it just feels nicer. It still behaves really badly if you have large IMAP mailspools on servers at the other end of a bad link, but that's the way Evolution handles IMAP (thunderbird / mozilla are a lot less network-intensive than evolution). One of the first things everyone mentions about GNOME 2.8 is the trashcan integrated into your panel. I assume because I upgraded from GNOME 2.6, leaving my config files intact, this didn't get added for me. However, I can't seem to work out how to add this trashcan applet to my panel. Perhaps I don't have it installed, maybe the Gentoo GNOME team haven't packaged that part of it yet (it was masked for a reason after all!). Not really a point against GNOME per se. Nautilus has improved since I last bothered to look at it. Local filesystem browsing is nice, and the 'Computer' menu gives you options to mount devices flagged with 'user' in /etc/fstab - typically any cdrom drives, or in my case, my USB2 harddisk enclosure. Network filesystem browsing is nice too. I get the feeling this is all GNOME 2.6 stuff here however :) Under the 'System Tools' menu there are some good Control Panel-type applications. The 'Users and Groups' tool lets you mangle your user databases quite nicely. It only seems to understand local files (/etc/passwd, /etc/groups etc), I couldn't make it speak to my LDAP server at all. Also, I think it provides a good balance between being "User Friendly" and actually allowing experienced users to do what they want. There is a similar tool for controlling which services are run at boot, and starting/stopping services. The other tool I looked at quickly was a network configuration tool, which had options for setting up wired, wireless, dialup, parallel cable and IR network connections. You can control network profiles from here as well (so when you boot your laptop off the LAN, you can tell it to not bother DHCPing for your wired interface). All of these tools are run through a sudo-like tool, so prompt for your root password, as expected. Personally, I probably won't use them - they are for things performed very infrequently, and I'm happy enough doing them on the command line. However, I think it's a great step towards "general acceptance". I think I'd feel a lot happier now about putting my folks in front of a GNOME desktop. As far as the actual upgrade experience went (gentoo specific), I am using the "unstable" branch of Gentoo 2004.2 (~x86), and I had to unmask a whole heap of packages by adding lines to /etc/portage/package.unmask. (non-gentoo-specific) I had read in several forums that people were having profile issues when upgrading, and many recommended deleting all of the various GNOME configuration directories. I didn't do this - perhaps if I had, I'd have my trashcan on my panel!. It seemed painless enough however. Evolution bitched a bit about upgrading its profile, although I'm not sure why it was upgrading a profile that didn't exist. Daniel

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RE: [wlug] MacOS X....
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 05 Oct '04

05 Oct '04

> From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] > > Yes there is that. Safari is integrated into the whole OS > (much like IE). I ponder how well FireFox could "plug in" to > MacOS. One thing I noticed is that Safari doesn't block popups. I think the version of Safari with 10.3 and later does block popups although I admit, I don't tend to use it, I'm more of a Mozilla person myself. As to Safari being "integrated into the whole OS", I don't think that's really true. KHTML is part of the OS and is used by various things such as the help viewer, but Safari is just another app which utilises KHTML. If you set another browser to be the default and delete the Safari application everything should run fine. > From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] > > I download from the apple OSX site the apple X11 package It also comes on the install CD/DVD since 10.3 as an optional install.

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Library books
by Craig Box 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

Hi everyone, For the "launch" of the "new look WLUG library", could any outstanding books please be returned - I think Gun has one, and a couple of meetings ago someone else took one too. Email me off-list for details on how to return them. Even if you have a book and can't get it back straight away, please email so we can get it in the system correctly. Craig

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RE: [wlug] MacOS X....
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 03 Oct '04

03 Oct '04

> From: Martin Bähr [mailto:mbaehr(a)email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at] > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 07:36:52PM +1200, Oliver Jones wrote: > > Received an iBook for my mother today. MacOS X is quite > sweet. Lots > > of eye candy. The benefits of an OpenGL powered UI. > > uh? the ui does not use opengl. (if it were, you'd be able to > do things like the java looking glass desktop, like turning > windows sideways) Uh, yes it does use OpenGL. For quite a long time now too. http://www.apple.com.au/macosx/10.2/quartzextreme.html

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MacOS X....
by Oliver Jones 03 Oct '04

03 Oct '04

Received an iBook for my mother today. MacOS X is quite sweet. Lots of eye candy. The benefits of an OpenGL powered UI. Even groovier of course is the fact the it is BSD under the hood. A fact made perfectly clear once you launch a terminal or look at the process list. I would certainly be very tempted to get a Mac if I couldn't find a decent laptop to run Linux well. My business partner is trying to run FC2 on a Dell D800 and having "issues". I want a Laptop but don't want "issues". And I most certainly do _not_ want a Windows laptop. An Apple at least would be a Unix box. I could run lots of Unix apps.. The Gnome guys could do worse than copying Apple when it comes to user experience. Not overly impressed with Safari though (aka KHTML + Apple UI). Apple should have used Gecko for their HTML component. Firefox and Safari share many UI similarities. More thoughts as they come to me.... Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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ESAT? WiFi etc..
by Oliver Jones 01 Oct '04

01 Oct '04

One side effect of getting the Mac today was that it has Wireless Ethernet. Enabling it in the office made me aware of a couple of nearby WiFi AP's. Might have to do some war driving in Taupo... :) One in particular that I noticed was an AP called ESAT_Test. It was a public AP that is setup in some sort of Mesh network. From the homepage I got redirected to when I tried to access Google it looked like some sort of dedicated public AP device. Anyone know anything about this? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Logwatch on RH9
by Oliver Jones 01 Oct '04

01 Oct '04

A couple of the RedHat 9 boxen I have continuously produce this in their logwatch results: Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xae, with no preceding start byte) in pattern match (m//) at /etc/log.d/scripts/services/kernel line 112, <STDIN> line 123. Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected continuation byte 0xae, with no preceding start byte) in pattern match (m//) at /etc/log.d/scripts/services/kernel line 112, <STDIN> line 123. If I remember rightly there was a bug in Perl's UTF-8 handling that produced this sort of thing. How do I get RH9, Logwatch & Perl to play nice? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

The WLUG mailing list is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group. As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principals espoused in our official Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal of this policy. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do serious harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/Open Source related. List discussion; * Should not commit slander or libel against any person or * organisation * Should not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to * the names of other software companies * Should not indulge in ad hominem attacks * Should not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from * the copyright holder * Should not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a * private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be * announced once only. * Should maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * Should be honest * Should not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious * views * Should not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * Should accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant * misrepresentation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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3c tablet pc and linux
by Stephen Pearce 27 Sep '04

27 Sep '04

I found this on the internet recently ... it is $1290US plus postage ... it uses a transmeta 5800 processor and has a built in 3 Meg pix camera .. .. has anyone any knowledge of its ability to run linux? (as advertised it is running some windows version). google 3c and tablet and pc to track down the page) Stephen

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Cisco ATA-186
by Aaron Martin 25 Sep '04

25 Sep '04

Does anyone have a Cisco ATA-186 (or ATA-188) that I can get off them today, I urgently need one for a job I am doing tommorrow. I will replace it with a brand new one as soon as the one I have ordered arrives (should be tuesday).

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A WLUG meeting was booked for this date, but has been moved to the 23rd due to a guest speaker. See [MeetingTopics.2004-09-23] Location will be at Waikato University in LitB

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procmail bounce matching
by Jamie Curtis 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

Hi, I have recently started having lots problems with people spamming with the from address of my domain and the domain catchall getting ~2 - 5k bounces arriving in my mailbox each day. I really don't want to remove the catchall, just get rid of all the random bounces. All my incomming mail is filtered through procmail and I want a good procmail recipe to match on bounces and chuck them away. Unfortunatly I don't seem to be able to find any reliable way to match a message as being a bounce without just lots of from filters detecting the common from styles of the different SMTP servers out there. Any suggestions ? Cheers, Jamie

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September meeting - Novell and Linux - THIS THURSDAY
by John R. McPherson 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

The Waikato Linux Users Group monthly meeting for September is entitled "Novell and Linux". Our guest speaker is Paul Kangro from Novell. All are welcome to attend. Refreshments provided. Novell are famous for their NetWare operating system, and more recently for their purchases of the SuSe Linux distribution and Ximian (a company working on Linux desktop software such as GNOME and the Evolution groupware client). They are now the most active contributor to the GNOME project, the KDE project, Mono, and Evolution, as well as the #2 contributor to the Mozilla project and OpenOffice.org. Paul is Novell's Solutions Manager for Australia and New Zealand. He has previously worked for IBM, Cable & Wireless Optus, and Nortel Networks. 7pm, Thursday 23rd September Room: LitB.G.02 (down the hill from R block, off Hillcrest Rd) or park in the big carpark at Gate 1 off Knighton Rd and walk up the hill past the ITS building http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb University of Waikato http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2004-09-23

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Mandrake PPC
by David Nicholls 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

Hey gavin... You have any trouble getting this to install/run? -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2004 11:55 am Subject: Re: [wlug] WLUG Members - Input Required My distros: Mandrake PPC

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Lost members
by Craig Box 22 Sep '04

22 Sep '04

Hi, If Shane Taylor and Paul Jonassen are on this list, can they please email me. (Or if anyone has a current email address for them, can they let me know off list.) Thanks, Craig

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RE: [wlug] WLUG Members - Input Required
by David Nicholls 22 Sep '04

22 Sep '04

My apologies for that all went to reply and add some scintillating comments and damn well hit send instead... Nappy brain strikes again <sigh> Cheers... david

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RE: [wlug] WLUG Members - Input Required
by David Nicholls 22 Sep '04

22 Sep '04

-----Original Message----- From: Greig McGill [mailto:greig(a)hamiltron.net] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:32 pm To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] WLUG Members - Input Required Greetings all. Several matters have arisen at tonight's committee meeting which require some input from the WLUG in general. PLEASE read this email, and offer your input - preferably offlist, but onlist if you'd like feedback from other WLUG members. 1. WLUG Funding Last year, the committee attempted to raise funds for the purchase of a mobile test rig/demo lab consisting of a server, a workstation, and several peripherals for use in presentations, training, and perhaps community education. We were declined on all three attempts, but will be trying again this year. What we need to know is: Is this a good goal for funding? Do you have a better idea? Is there a service you would like to see the WLUG provide that is currently unrealistic due to funding restrictions? Keep in mind that funding must be applied for with a specific project in mind, as funding cannot be used to meet ongoing running costs, or allow for events that may not happen. 2. New and Inexperienced Users As mentioned at the AGM, the WLUG has been accused of being unsupportive of new or inexperienced users. It was explained that the *active* members of the WLUG, ie. the ones who do all the work, are experienced users, and are thus unlikely to arrange meetings on beginner topics, or arrange installfests, which they have little desire to attend. We don't wish to alienate the new or inexperienced users however, but we need some of them to step up, and volunteer to present some beginner topics, arrange workshops, and perhaps start a "beginner stream". You will have the full backing, and support of the "old hands" - just tell us what you need. I repeat TELL US WHAT YOU NEED! Nothing is more demoralising than being complained at for not providing something which no one has ever told us they wanted. We do have something scheduled for the new people. October's meeting will be dedicated to using the WLUG resources - the Wiki, mailing list, effective use of Google, etc. It will also feature a live "fixup workshop". This will consist of people bringing their "broken" setups, and we will pick a few, and solve them, live, on the projector. This will not only get the problem fixed, but will show the troubleshooting process, and hopefully demystify the black-magic aspect of what the 'gurus' of the group do. Details will follow. Suggestions are welcome and encouraged. Regards, Greig McGill ElPresidente :) _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 22 Sep '04

22 Sep '04

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Kangro from Novell will speak. All are welcome to attend. 7pm, 23rd Sept University of Waikato Park in Gate 1, Knighton Rd Room: LitB.G.02 http://www.waikato.ac.nz/perl-bin/map/tt-map.pl?term=litb http://www.waikato.ac.nz/contacts/map.pdf

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Re: [wlug] Wireless up and running Yipeeeeeeeeee
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

Good on you Bill.. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > I finally have most of the Ad-Hoc Wireless link > working. Only missing Internet connection. > > Info @ http://www.wlug.org.nz/AdHoc > > Bill > > Learning is fun (most of the time LOL) > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Committee meeting this Wednesday
by Craig Box 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

Hi everyone, The Fist has announced the first meeting of its new committee, this Wednesday. There's a draft agenda up at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2004-09-22 - if anyone wants anything put on the agenda for this meeting, can they please email me. Remember, if we don't know about it, we can't fix it. Regards, Craig

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FW: Seminar Invitation : Novell & Linux Means Business
by Gund Wehsling 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

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FW: Firefox Presentation to Waikato Linux Users Group
by Craig Box 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

Craig Box wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Should have asked this earlier, but you wouldn't consider coming down > to Hamilton and presenting a talk about your involvement with Firefox > & the Mozilla Foundation to the Waikato Linux Users Group sometime, > would you? > > Probably a bit too late to do so for your current trip, but I assume > you're back every now and then? > > Let me know if it's the sort of thing you'd consider and if so, we'll > see what can be done! Hi Craig, Sorry for the delayed response I've been very busy these past few weeks. I'm fully booked for the next week so I won't be able to make it to Hamilton but I'll let you know I am speaking on Firefox at the University of Auckland (School of Engineering - 20 Symonds St - Room 3.402) on Monday 9/20 at high noon. Members of your group are welcome to attend. Regards, -- Ben Goodger <ben(a)mozilla.org> Lead Engineer, Mozilla Firefox +1 (650) 492 0729 The Mozilla Foundation 1350C Villa St Mountain View CA 94041

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Re: [wlug] Wireless TCP/IP
by Bill Rosoman 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

> You do have an Access point, right? No I am trying to do Ad-Hoc using 2 Wireless cards. Almost there! Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [wlug] Wireless TCP/IP
by Bill Rosoman 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

> It sounds like you're nearly there and your commands > look mostly > correct. A few suggestions and example commands <snip> Ok I tried the suggestions; I have setup the Windows machine on deb1 and chanel 6 that part is fine. Linux commands ifdown eth1 iwconfig eth1 mode Ad-Hoc essid "deb1" channel 6 ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 link established ping 192.168.0.1 PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. >From 192.168.0.5 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable >From 192.168.0.5 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable iwconfig eth1 eth1 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:"deb1" Nickname:"mordor" Mode:Ad-Hoc Channel:6 Cell: 9E:05:A8:9E:54:CF Bit Rate:11Mb/s Tx-Power=31 dBm Sensitivity=20/200 Retry min limit:8 RTS thr:2347 B Fragment thr:2346 B Encryption key:off Link Quality:196/0 Signal level:-55 dBm Noise level:-245 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 10.0.0.3 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 1 0 0 sl0 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 1 0 0 sl0 ifconfig eth1 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:09:5B:C2:C7:1A inet addr:192.168.0.5 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:48 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:5316 (5.1 Kb) Interrupt:10 Also Ethereal is looking for 192.168.0.1 using UDP and ARP If I remove WLAN and insert LAN I get ping 192.168.0.1 PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.549 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.328 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.322 ms So this is a big step in the right direction! Just the last step to go! Thanks Bill _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

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Ubuntu 4.10 preview released
by Craig Box 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

Ubuntu is a new Linux distribution that brings together the breadth of Debian with a focused selection of packages, regular releases (every six months) and a commitment to security updates with 18 months of support for every release. (/me touches himself) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/preview/ (incl. torrents) I've got the i386 iso on the way, should have it in an hour or so, will let people know how it goes. I will also arrange for some finished Ubuntu CDs to be shipped to the WLUG for distribution. Craig

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RE: [wlug] Ubuntu 4.10 preview released
by Gund Wehsling 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

Hi FYI - uBuntu translates to "humanity" or "the [collective] people" in Zulu. I had a smirk when I saw the distro being mentioned here this morning. Gund -----Original Message----- From: A. Pagaltzis [mailto:pagaltzis(a)gmx.de] Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:22 p.m. To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] Ubuntu 4.10 preview released * Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> [2004-09-16 01:40]: > I wish more distros compiled their apps as at least i586 > binaries. No one (or nearly no one) would attempt to use a > modern distro on a i386 anymore. Even 486 systems will be hard > to come by now. Slackware's packages are compiled for i486. Although I think it would be reasonable to compile the X-based stuff for i586 and better. Noone in their right mind is going to use a 486 as a desktop with GNOME. Regards, -- Aristotle "If you can't laugh at yourself, you don't take life seriously enough." _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Wireless TCP/IP
by Bill Rosoman 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

How can you "see" the AP? (ie, how are you trying to observe it) Have you given it an IP address in the same subnet as your network cards? Wireless Ad-Hoc PC to Notepad ----------------------------- Usng PC Windows ME Zyxel USB Wlan Dell Notepad; The wifi card's a Netgear WG511. www.netgear.com I have a Dell Notepad Inspiron 2650 Intel Chip running Mandrake 10 KDE 3.2 Kernel 2.6.3-7mdk To get wlan up ============== Setup Windows PC using manual IP 192.168.0.1 mask 255.255.255.0 wifi Ad-Hoc chanel 6 Run USB Wifi Linux as SU (root) kedit /etc/wlan/wlancfg-deb1 kedit /etc/modules.conf alias eth1 prism54 ifconfig eth1 inet 192.168.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 route add default gw 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth1 iwconfig eth1 ESSID "deb1" mode ad-hoc channel 6 /etc/pcmcia/network start eth1 Outcome ======= Have a strong connection between computers But cannot access computers or internet No IP address No Ping etc if I reboot using LAN everything OK (Samba, Internet) Results ------- Windows machine netstat shows nothing active ping 192.168.0.5 times out ping 192.168.0.1 excellent Linux machine apradar result eth1 Scan completed : NEW AP from accesspoint scan essid.length 4 ESSID:"deb1" Mode:Ad-Hoc 1 Encryption key:off Frequency:2.437GHz quality: -56 ping 192.168.0.1 PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. [1]+ Stopped ping 192.168.0.1 Hangs! iwlist eth1 scanning eth1 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 42:F5:A8:9E:54:CF ESSID:"deb1" Mode:Ad-Hoc Encryption key:off Frequency:2.437GHz Quality:190/0 Signal level:-55 dBm Noise level:-245 dBm route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 10.0.0.3 * 255.255.255.255 UH 1 0 0 sl0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default * 0.0.0.0 U 1 0 0 sl0 Does not show eth1? iwspy eth1 eth1 Statistics collected: 00:00:00:00:28:C2 : Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Link/Cell/AP : Quality:188/0 Signal level:-53 dBm Noise level:-5 dBm (updated) Typical/Reference : Quality:0/0 Signal level:-80 dBm Noise level:-256 dBm iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. eth1 IEEE 802.11b/g ESSID:"deb1" Nickname:"mordor" Mode:Ad-Hoc Channel:6 Cell: 42:F5:A8:9E:54:CF Bit Rate:11Mb/s Tx-Power=31 dBm Sensitivity=20/200 Retry min limit:8 RTS thr:2347 B Fragment thr:2346 B Encryption key:off Link Quality:177/0 Signal level:-53 dBm Noise level:-32 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 sl0 ESSID:off/any Nickname:"" NWID:8 Channel:80 Access Point: FF:BF:21:00:00:00 Bit Rate=-1.07375e+06kb/s Tx-Power=-1073746380 dBm Sensitivity=8/0 Retry:on RTS thr=-1073746380 B Fragment thr=-1073746380 B Encryption key:0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000-0000 Power Management:on NB sl0 is my Modem cat /proc/net/dev Inter-| Receive | Transmit face |bytes packets errs drop fifo frame compressed multicast|bytes packets errs drop fifo colls carrier compressed lo: 24920 364 0 0 0 0 0 0 24920 364 0 0 0 0 0 0 eth0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 eth1: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4082 31 0 0 0 0 0 0 sl0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9990 121 0 0 0 0 0 0 Ethereal Sending ARP packets to 127.255.255.255 So now I have a couple of issues. TIA Bill _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

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Unsubscribed email addresses
by Craig Box 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Two messages today (Phil and Bill) from email addresses that are not subscribed to the list, were dropped. Please check when you are posting to the list that you are posting from the address you receive mail to! If you need to, you can subscribe multiple addresses and only receive mail to one. Craig

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Re: [wlug] I am stuck at the command line.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

My computer said it thinks it needs some firmware and suggested a site. I am downloading this then will try to install. I found out off list that pointing and click works well, is this the road to which you were re-fering Craig? Also suggested (another point and click) is to use microsoft NDIS wrapper for wlan and kernel. Regards John PS Matt your emails are still coming to me as an off list item. I have no idea why. > > > > There are often many tricky ways to make hardware work > > on Linux, or one easy "just go down the road that makes > > it work" option. > > > > Craig

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RE: iHug / Wired Country
by Gerwin van de Steeg 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

Hmm, Ihug/Wired Country wireless We've had this now for about 2+ years now, and has been working fine. Upto the last couple of months that is, starting at about the time the VoIP presentation was held at our premises. The link quality has been reduced, I've been asked to switch to a different network and back (different static ip's) whilst the gear was replaced. We've had some of the radio gear in Church Rd, Ngaruawahia, and on the Hospital die, all in the past month. One of the occasions when a radio unit had been replaced, we noticed that the unit only had a maximum arp table of 7 entries which took 3 hours to get fixed. Whilst the connections were organized by Go!Live, we had an afterhours contact phone number (the guy still works there but I'm not obliged to give people his cellphone number, and he hates being called when he's holding an arial and standing on someone's roof). Since then, the afterhours and weekend support have gone down the drain. We're now getting frequent outages ranging from a couple of minutes at 20+% packet loss, to 16+ hours of 100% packet loss. Ping times are bouncing like a maniac instead of being in a reasonably steady range. We've resorted to using nagios to monitor our incoming link and report errors and warnings, which result in me receiving on avergae about 20-30 emails a day during weekdays with respect to packet loss on the link, or ping responses exceeding 500ms. When it is working however, on a good clear sunny day, our guaranteed 512k link can get speeds much greater than this (approx ~2mb is my best sofar). Now, all the problems started to occur when we shifted to the Te Rapa area of Hamilton, we had no problems in Hillcrest. GerwinVanDeSteeg

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Apache 1.3.27, PHP 4.1.2 & RHEL 2.1
by Oliver Jones 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

I've identified my problem with Apache crashing in response to HUP and USR1 signals. As suggested it appears to be PHP's fault. If I removed php from the equation the crashes go away. I've filed a bug with RedHat describing the problem. Hopefully they release an errata soon. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132488 Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country
by David Nicholls 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Well ive been with satlan for about two years now, maybe about 3 outages total. When I ring them (almost anytime too) instant friendly response and they can usually tell me what they think the prob is too. Setup: This includes installing linux on a box for you (if you wish) as a router/web server/firewall/whatever/the aerial, first months rent, fixed ip addr (telecom don't give that usually from what I see), ... And as I said before for me service ranks way up there, and I will pay just for that. I don't know what their boundries are sadly. Id suggest ringing them. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:43 am Subject: Re: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country Joseph Gibbs wrote: >thats fine if one wants to pray $450 for setup... (according to their >website) And paying a lower setup is fine if you want to put up with connectivity and packet loss issues :) Daniel

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I am stuck at the command line.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

I am attempting to install a driver set for my usb wireless adapter. The instructions I have are: ********************************************************* *** SMC WLan USB Card 11Mbps *** *** Linux Device Driver *** ********************************************************* 1. Install driver a) untar the package using the command: ---> tar zxvf SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz b) cd SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W c) ./setup.sh 2. Support a) Support RedHat 7.1, Redhat 7.2, Redhat 7.3 b) linux-kernel 2.4.17, 2.4.18 3. Module Parameters| --------------------| |------ In order to reconfigure the USB card you have to use one of the applications which comes with the driver. fvnet(command line utility) or xvnet (a graphical interface for the X windows), or the wireless tools (not tested and not recommended). For help for the fvnet and xvnet applications use the corresponding man pages. (man xvnet or man fvnet). Some of my attempts to write a command are: john(a)linux:~> su Password: linux:/home/john # ---> tar zxvf SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz bash: ---: command not found linux:/home/john # / tar zxvf SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz bash: /: is a directory linux:/home/john # tar zxvf SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz tar: SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors linux:/home/john # The folder is called SMC2662WV2 Linux.tar.gz Clicking this folder gives SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W Which shows on the location bar: tar:/home/john/SMC2662WV2_Linux.tar.gz I THINK that I am only a keystroke or two from getting this :-( Regards John

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Re: [wlug] I am stuck at the command line.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Negative, We did try but time and the possibility that we needed drivers was against us. I am now trying to set up a SuSE distro. I am SO looking for that road that makes it work. in the meantime I will take the feel good points for actually typing a couple of commands (albeit list assisted) correctly. Regards John. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Cool, I got the thing to extract and setup. I thought I > > would be tricky and run "iwconfig" > > but it reports back no wireless devices. I guess I need > > to read up some more before proceeding further. At least > > I made some progress. > > Thanks for the help so far. Regards John > > Without wanting to sound unhelpful, we got this wireless > card working at the Installfest, did we not? > > There are often many tricky ways to make hardware work on > Linux, or one easy "just go down the road that makes it > work" option. > > Craig > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] I am stuck at the command line.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Cool, I got the thing to extract and setup. I thought I would be tricky and run "iwconfig" but it reports back no wireless devices. I guess I need to read up some more before proceeding further. At least I made some progress. Thanks for the help so far. Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 15:44, Matt Brown wrote: > > Hi John, > > > > I'll step through and point out what was wrong with each > > command. > > On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 15:24, jaytee(a)clear.net.nz wrote: > > > > > linux:/home/john # ---> tar zxvf > > > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz > > > bash: ---: command not found > > .. > > > > linux:/home/john # / tar zxvf > > > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz bash: /: is a directory > > > > I'm not quite sure where the / here comes from, it is > > what is causing the problem. > > > > > linux:/home/john # tar zxvf > > > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz tar: > > > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such > file or directory > > > 6) If you can see the filename > > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz in the output of the > previous command continue, otherwise go back to step 1 > > It looks like those filenames are subtly different. > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662W.tar.gz versus > SMC_USB_WIRELESS_2662.tar.gz (without a "W" following the > 2662). Make sure you use the correct one for the "tar" > command, depending on what the file is actually called. > > John McPherson > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > [Attachment: jrm21(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz.sig]

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iHug / Wired Country
by Joseph Gibbs 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Hi, Looking at getting wireless internet and phone package from wired country, through ihug. Will probably get the 1 or 2mbit deal. Has anyone had any experiences with them? I checked the wlug pages, not much info about them though. I'm interested in the quality of service they provide, and any other experinces you could share for/against getting this service. thanks, Joseph.

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RE: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country
by Lindsay Druett 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Few Internet outages here and there is one thing, but phone outages is another thing. > Isn't all that crash hot? My flatmates and I have got 1Mbps to burn, > no packet loss and sub 30ms pings, for $65 per month. True, > there are > a few more outages, just means we do something else for a while. > > Wireless is fairly solid and it's getting better all the time. > > Cheers, > James. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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RE: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country
by Lindsay Druett 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

I bet you can't do that at my place :) > > Isn't all that crash hot? My flatmates and I have got 1Mbps to burn, > no packet loss and sub 30ms pings, for $65 per month. True, > there are > a few more outages, just means we do something else for a while. > > Wireless is fairly solid and it's getting better all the time. > > Cheers, > James. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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RE: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country
by Lindsay Druett 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

> > WC have there own licenced spectrum, this helps. > Using own licenced spectrum definitely helps, but how many customers can you cater for in one direction with one PoP ? > > Cell phones are fairly commonplace, I would imagine most > cellphone towers > have generators? My point being that there is more than one > way to kill > a cat. Yeah, but cellphone coverage is not really that great, it's okay, but more often than not, when I am on a cellphone, I end having to go outdoors for a better signal or at least move around. Batteries go flat at the wrong time, maybe I jinxed with cellphones.... However, not great in an emergency. The cellphone is a good idea to an extend, but there is a lot of "what ifs" in my view. I'm not trying to be the party pooper here, after all, I have been playing with this stuff, check out www.lindsay.wired.net.nz/projects/sip/ but when there is an essential service involved, I am in favour of using tried and proven methods. > > Telecom sux, give the competition a go. God knows the > government isn't > helping in this area. > Have a look at www.llu.wired.net.nz - I agree with what you're saying, I can see why iHUG is providing this service, but at the end of the day I am not going to direct customers, friends, or whatever down a technology path that isn't all that crash hot - it won't do anyone a favour, in fact it will make Telecom look really good. If wireless was going really solve the local access issue and do a just as good if not better job than a wired local loop system, then the local loop unbundling proposal would have never been considered, in fact Telecom would have ditched the wired local loop system and gone wireless themselves.

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RE: [wlug] iHug / Wired Country
by David Nicholls 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

Try satlan. Hell im on the 128k plan and find it great. Bugger all outages and I can ring these guys almost any time of day. Sadly I don't believe they do a phone service but the customer service is bloody good. www.Satlan.co.nz Cheers... david -----Original Message----- Joseph Gibbs wrote: >Hi, >Looking at getting wireless internet and phone package from wired >country, through ihug. Will probably get the 1 or 2mbit deal. Has >anyone had any experiences with them? I checked the wlug pages, not >much info about them though. I'm interested in the quality of service >they provide, and any other experinces you could share for/against >getting this service.

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Waikato Linux Users Group Incorporated Committee for 2005
by Craig Box 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Congratulations to the following people, who were tonight voted in as the Executive Committee for the WLUG for 2005: President: Greig McGill Vice-President: Perry Lorier Treasurer: Craig McKenna Secretary: Craig Box General Committee: Matt Brown Kyle Carter Jamie Curtis Gian Perrone John McPherson The minutes are now available at http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2004-09-13. Thanks to everyone who came. Craig

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Weird SEGV with Apache.
by Oliver Jones 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Howdy. I'm getting a weird problem with Apache on a RHEL2.1 box I have. It does on the _second_ HUP or USR1 signal it receives. So ever two days logrotate kills it. It seems to be dying when PHP reloads for the second time. Anyone have any useful ideas on how to track this problem down more precisely? End of strace log: fstat64(8, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=27598, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4046e000 read(8, "[PHP]\n\n;;;;;;;;;;;\n; WARNING ;\n;"..., 8192) = 8192 read(8, "time notices (these are warnings"..., 8192) = 8192 read(8, ".dll\n;extension=php_mysql.dll\nex"..., 8192) = 8192 read(8, " persistent links. -1 means no "..., 8192) = 3022 read(8, "", 4096) = 0 read(8, "", 8192) = 0 ioctl(8, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbffe2e10) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) close(8) = 0 munmap(0x4046e000, 4096) = 0 open("/etc/protocols", O_RDONLY) = 8 fcntl64(8, F_GETFD) = 0 fcntl64(8, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 fstat64(8, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=5834, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4046e000 read(8, "# /etc/protocols:\n# $Id: protoco"..., 4096) = 4096 close(8) = 0 munmap(0x4046e000, 4096) = 0 open("/etc/protocols", O_RDONLY) = 8 fcntl64(8, F_GETFD) = 0 fcntl64(8, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 fstat64(8, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=5834, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4046e000 read(8, "# /etc/protocols:\n# $Id: protoco"..., 4096) = 4096 close(8) = 0 munmap(0x4046e000, 4096) = 0 geteuid32() = 0 getpid() = 8935 shmget(IPC_PRIVATE, 33554432, IPC_CREAT|0600) = 14516227 shmat(14516227, 0, 0) = 0x4292e000 shmctl(14516227, IPC_64|IPC_STAT, 0xbffe3a00) = 0 getuid32() = 0 getgid32() = 0 shmctl(14516227, IPC_64|IPC_SET, 0xbffe3a00) = 0 shmctl(14516227, IPC_64|IPC_RMID, 0) = 0 unlink("/tmp/session_mm_apache0.sem") = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/tmp/session_mm_apache0.sem", O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0600) = 8 fcntl64(8, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 getpid() = 8935 fcntl64(8, F_SETLKW, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=0}) = 0 fcntl64(8, F_SETLKW, {type=F_UNLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=0}) = 0 open("/usr/lib/php4/imap.so", O_RDONLY) = 9 read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\360\20"..., 1024) = 1024 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=1453914, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 771468, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x4492e000 mprotect(0x449e7000, 13708, PROT_NONE) = 0 old_mmap(0x449e7000, 16384, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0xb8000) = 0x449e7000 close(9) = 0 open("/usr/kerberos/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 9 read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0000J\0\000"..., 1024) = 1024 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=91717, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 74532, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x408fe000 mprotect(0x4090f000, 4900, PROT_NONE) = 0 old_mmap(0x4090f000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0x10000) = 0x4090f000 close(9) = 0 open("/usr/kerberos/lib/libkrb5.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 9 read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\200\362"..., 1024) = 1024 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=432826, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 363904, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x449eb000 mprotect(0x44a41000, 11648, PROT_NONE) = 0 old_mmap(0x44a41000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0x55000) = 0x44a41000 close(9) = 0 open("/usr/kerberos/lib/libk5crypto.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 9 read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\360 \0"..., 1024) = 1024 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=78765, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 68148, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x44a44000 mprotect(0x44a53000, 6708, PROT_NONE) = 0 old_mmap(0x44a53000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0xe000) = 0x44a53000 close(9) = 0 open("/usr/kerberos/lib/libcom_err.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 9 read(9, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0P\t\0\000"..., 1024) = 1024 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=8653, ...}) = 0 old_mmap(NULL, 8584, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 9, 0) = 0x406ad000 mprotect(0x406ae000, 4488, PROT_NONE) = 0 old_mmap(0x406ae000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 9, 0) = 0x406ae000 close(9) = 0 stat64("/etc/cram-md5.pwd", 0xbffe39e0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat64("/dev/urandom", {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0644, st_rdev=makedev(1, 9), ...}) = 0 open("/usr/share/ssl/openssl.cnf", O_RDONLY) = 9 fstat64(9, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=7338, ...}) = 0 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4046e000 read(9, "#\n# OpenSSL example configuratio"..., 4096) = 4096 read(9, "onName_default\t= World Wide Web "..., 4096) = 3242 read(9, "", 4096) = 0 close(9) = 0 munmap(0x4046e000, 4096) = 0 --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- chdir("/etc/httpd") = 0 rt_sigaction(SIGSEGV, {SIG_DFL}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 getpid() = 8935 kill(8935, SIGSEGV) = 0 sigreturn() = ? (mask now [RTMIN]) --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Daemon monitoring tools.
by Oliver Jones 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Hi guys. Way back in the ancient mists of time I remember seeing some daemon monitoring app. I can't remember what it was called though. It basically was a tool that ensured that particular daemons on a host were always running. Ie, if they crashed or whatever the monitoring app ran the appropriate rc script to restart them. Anyone know what I'm talking about or a good app that does this? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] New Workstation Hardware Advice
by David Nicholls 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Hi gund, I must say I agree with oliver on this topic... The athlon cpu could well be the way to go. Most of the processors (to coin a phrase) "honk along" at VERY nice speeds. The physics dept at the waikato uni uses almost exclusively a64s. Hoever the 32 bit cpus are just as good and I believe they are going to be dual coreing them in the near future. There are some VERY nice mobos out for these boards... www.tomshardware.com is a good place to go for reviews of chips, boards and gfx cards... They not only test on win systems but a linux build as well so you get an idea of how much trouble they went to to get things working. Basically you need to have a look, have a think about the details of what you want in your system, then come back and ask us if its any good and we can tear it to shreds for you:) Just don't forget the floppy drive ;) Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Gund Wehsling [mailto:Gund.Wehsling(a)computerland.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 11:56 am Subject: [wlug] New Workstation Hardware Advice Hi I am thinking about getting a new workstation for study/development. It will be a beast. Apart form the favourable reviews of NVidia graphics cards here, are there any preferences to motherboards? IDE RAID controllers? I have been living in laptop land for a while now and have lost contact with desktop options and hardware. Ideally, the desktop will have 3GHz Processor or thereabouts 4GB RAM 2x120GB hard drives (one for mirror / backup) DVD Writer The machine will primarily be used for VMs, so throughput would be nice and the RAM _needs_ to be big. Also, as I am a struggling NetWare engineer, a nice place that sells this and helps with finance would be a plus. Any thoughts in this direction, assume I am ignorant please. Many thanks Gund

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Re: [wlug] Suse Live CD
by Craig Box 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 22:02 +0000, Felix Hohener wrote: > Craig > > Just tried this, but I am not going anywhere. Is there any password involved > in the log on or just "user(a)jetstreamgames.co.nz" and nothing else? You need to specify a password I believe, but it can be anything. The username can also be anything as long as it ends with @jetstreamgames.co.nz You can then log in but only connect a range of selected IPs for games servers, including ftp.jetstreamgames.co.nz - make sure that whatever DNS server you're using is inside this list of IPs. You can use jetstreamgames's DNS server at 203.96.91.1 Craig

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Annual General Meeting, TONIGHT 7:00pm
by Craig Box 12 Sep '04

12 Sep '04

In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter, I would like to remind all members that the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting *tonight* at 7pm, at the Crawshaw School Multi Purpose Room (the hall, where the Installfest was held, is unavailable, so we've moved to a replacement room. It will be signposted.) Doors will open about 6:45pm; please be prompt. Remember your $20 subscription fee. Craig

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WLUG Meeting is on monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

The WLUG meeting is on monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This meeting, on a different date to the regular September meeting, is the 2004 [Annual General Meeting|AGM] of the [Waikato Linux Users Group Incorporated|WlugIncorporated]. * Venue: CrawshawSchool Multi-Purpose Room * Time: 7pm (Doors open 6:45, please be prompt). * Remember: [your $20 2004-2005 membership fee|http://www.wlug.org.nz/JoinWlug] Agenda: # Apologies # [Minutes of the previous AGM|MeetingTopics.2003-09-22] (22 September 2003) # Matters arising # Chairman's report # Treasurer's report # [Election of Officers|WlugElections] # General Business Please note that nominations are now being taken through the WlugElections page.

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RE: [wlug] New Workstation Hardware Advice
by Gund Wehsling 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

I am only familiar with VMWare. But open to new ideas. So this is what I do: A customer wants wot make xyz work with abc in his specific environment. So I build the system in a VMWare session and prove it works before going out to the site and implimenting the change, a nice way to do things on a limited budget. Also, I have pre-built machines in a virtual lab that I use to test new software for campatibility reasons etc. If there is another way to do that, then that would be great. It would also be nice to say I have a desktop with 4GB of RAM, but we can get into that later;-) Gund -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Wed 8/09/2004 12:40 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] New Workstation Hardware Advice > Apart form the favourable reviews of NVidia graphics cards here, are > there any preferences to motherboards? IDE RAID controllers? I have > been living in laptop land for a while now and have lost contact with > desktop options and hardware. > > Ideally, the desktop will have > > 3GHz Processor or thereabouts > 4GB RAM > 2x120GB hard drives (one for mirror / backup) > DVD Writer Perhaps you would be best with an Athlon 64 based system? Not sure how well nVidia works with 64bit Linux though. From what I know (which is little) they have a very fast FSB etc. If you only want to go 32bit then 800Mhz FSB P4's are quite nice. I have a P4 2.6Ghz Intel i865 based system under my desk. It performs quite nicely. > The machine will primarily be used for VMs, so throughput would be > nice and the RAM _needs_ to be big. By VMs I take it you mean Virtual Machines. Are you planning on using User Model Linux or VMWare? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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New Workstation Hardware Advice
by Gund Wehsling 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

Hi I am thinking about getting a new workstation for study/development. It will be a beast. Apart form the favourable reviews of NVidia graphics cards here, are there any preferences to motherboards? IDE RAID controllers? I have been living in laptop land for a while now and have lost contact with desktop options and hardware. Ideally, the desktop will have 3GHz Processor or thereabouts 4GB RAM 2x120GB hard drives (one for mirror / backup) DVD Writer The machine will primarily be used for VMs, so throughput would be nice and the RAM _needs_ to be big. Also, as I am a struggling NetWare engineer, a nice place that sells this and helps with finance would be a plus. Any thoughts in this direction, assume I am ignorant please. Many thanks Gund

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SuSE 9.0 Server ISOs have arrived
by Gund Wehsling 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Good Day If you would like a copy of SuSE 9.0 Server ISOs I have a good verified copy of all 6. These are the same as the ISOs from Novells site and are 90-day limited. They will be the basis of a small business project I would like to start investigating from October and discussing here. I would be happy to cut you a copy if required - there are 6 all together - it may take time, but will be heaps quicker than downloading them yourself. Gund

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Dual head vid card for FC2
by Jodi Thomson 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

I've just upgraded to Fedora Core 2 and my old dual head config of a RIVA TNT2 & S3 Trio64 no longer wants to work for some unknown reason. To that end I'm looking at buying a new dual head card to replace them with. I've tried a MGA G400 with limited success as the secondary display is blotchy. I've tried googling for xorg supported hardware with little to no results. Can anyone suggest a card that will work? Cheers Jodi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before."

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is Mgetty the right tool ?
by Gavin Denby 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

I am planning to add to my network again, to allow me to test stuff, and to allow me a remote access to my network. Basically I plan to be my own isp. I have jetstream at home, and I can access it from machines on the network, No problem. What I want to do net is to set up a server that I can dial into over my cellphone when I am away from the office and become part of the network This means I wish to access, not only my Internet, but also all my shared directories ... etc, It looks like mgetty will do this, has anyone done something like this before. Mostly it will be on an internal pabx line for testing purposes, and will give a basic 33.6k connection to the network. other than the obvious security risks, and slow speed, are there any pitfalls I should be aware of or better tools/methods I should consider. -- "Engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." Dr A R Dykes.

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Sendmail... huge queue.
by Oliver Jones 06 Sep '04

06 Sep '04

I've noticed that my sendmail daemon has loads (57,000+) files in it's mqueue directory. I'm also getting lots of "grew WorkList for /var/spool/mqueue to 5000" type messages in my logs. I guess these log messages are related in some manner to the huge number of old messages in the mqueue dir. I was just looking at some of these messages and they date back quite a while. Back to June etc. Why has sendmail not purged these failed or delayed messages? I also note that I get quite a lot of: sendmail[29533]: i6IGZcl12816: to=<er(a)deeper.co.nz>, delay=49+11:13:30, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=cyrus, pri=121373, relay=localhost, dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown sendmail[29533]: i6IGZcl12816: i863nAl29533: DSN: User unknown sendmail[29533]: i863nAl29533: to=<paulfrenchvn(a)base.yonsei.ac.kr>, delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=esmtp, pri=31301, relay=base.yonsei.ac.kr. [165.132.77.200], dsn=5.1.1, stat=User unknown sendmail[29533]: i863nAl29533: i863nAm29533: return to sender: User unknown sendmail[29533]: i863nAm29533: to=postmaster, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=cyrus, pri=31401, relay=localhost [[UNIX: /var/imap/socket/lmtp]], dsn=5.6.0, stat=Service unavailable sendmail[29533]: i863nAl29533: Losing ./qfi863nAl29533: savemail panic sendmail[29533]: i863nAl29533: SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere Fortunately this is primarily because of spam but shouldn't the double bounce at least be delivered to postmaster on hostility? I set up a specific account for postmaster on our cyrus IMAP server. And it certainly gets a lot of other spam and virus bounces. Perhaps this is all related somehow? Anyone here experience in the black art of sendmail who might be able to enlighten me? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Annual General Meeting, 13 Sep (2 weeks today)
by Craig Box 06 Sep '04

06 Sep '04

In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter, I would like to remind all members that the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting on Monday, 13 September, 2004, at 7pm, at the Crawshaw School Hall (the same location as the Installfest.) All WLUG members are encouraged to make nominations for the WLUG committee for 2005. The charter specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. We are accepting nominations via the web page http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugElections. The conditions of nomination are: * You shouldn't nominate yourself. (If you want to stand, post a note on the bottom of the page asking for someone to nominate you.) * You can only nominate or second someone if you are currently a 2003-2004 paid up member. * You can only vote at the upcoming AGM if you were a 2003-2004 paid up member, and have signed a new membership form for 2004-2005 (remember, you have 90 days to pay.) If you're at all interested, please ask someone to nominate you! Regards, Craig

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Re: SUse v FC2
by Craig Box 05 Sep '04

05 Sep '04

(also CC'd to wlug-list for interest) Hi Gun, > I'm investigating a server for my NW of 6-8 workstations. Do you > think FC2 or SuSE as a server for file and printer sharing? Is SUse > free like FC2 is? SUSE is free in the same way that all Linuxes are; they're built on GPL components, but some distributions are not necessarily made available the same way as others. You can download SUSE as a Knoppix-like live CD, a single CD "personal" distribution (that isn't what you want for a server) or you can get the packages for other versions of SUSE from their FTP site, and install it manually. You could also find people who have a copy locally, I'm expect Gund or Michael Cree will be able to help. Of those two I would recommend Fedora Core here - this is my personal recommendation, as I know it and like it and I can't really say the same about SUSE. As for "the recommendation of the LUG as a whole", if you're prepared to do everything from the command line and do a lot of learning, you still can't go past Debian. There will be a new version called "Sarge" (3.1) released in a couple of months; you can get a recent ISO file of the installer and go from there, downloading more recent packages off the Internet, or you could install Woody (3.0) and wait till Sarge is released and release over the top, etc.. A large reason people that moved away from Red Hat to Debian on their servers is that Red Hat didn't have an automatic way of downloading and installing packages, and Debian did (apt-get). Now, Red Hat (in the form of the Fedora Project) has yum, apt-get and up2date to choose from, it's not really a problem any more. Also, there is more software packaged for Debian (11,000 packages or so) but for the ones that you regularly need, they're all available in 3rd parties repositories for Fedora. >From my estimates of your experience, I think you couldn't go past Fedora Core. FC3 is also coming out in a couple of months time. Craig

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RE: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 03 Sep '04

03 Sep '04

Yes it is, right under NZ. I don't think you got that far because of no dial up connection > > CHAT means Chatham Islands. Thanks Wayne I wondered what NZ chat time was when I saw it there (silly noob) > And it's moot because it wasn't listed at all. > > Craig I installed SuSE onto my laptop and desktop. Got a couple of problems with the monitors not reporting there X Y's When I manually configured them (with the gooey)The laptop remains unaffected and keeps reporting the problem, the desktopnow proudly announces there have been changes at every boot. We have a dial up with free net They have a peculiar habit of killing the connection every three hours which has meant that the update has crashed a couple of times and now yast is reporting that it " could not write server list to disk abort update?" If anyone knows how to deal with this it would be nice to hear from them.. Regards John..

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RE: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review
by Gund Wehsling 03 Sep '04

03 Sep '04

Hi Thank you for the great review, I would like to make a few points known that are not obvious to first time installers of SuSE: New Zealand timezone is listed under the 'Global' section in the continent selector as NZ or NZ-CHAT. ACPI is still regarded as experimental and a message to this effect is displayed when you try to alter any power settings. The message says to enable ACPI before the settings will become available. ACPI is located in the last tab on the power screen and can be enabled. Once enabled, the power control and ACPI functions become available. The idea to make it small and accessible will make it small and accessible, so there is little room for 'nice to haves'. The target market is definitely not the general LINUX community, so there will be no compile tools and little command line stuff. I think the idea is that my mother could install it and use it well on her P1. It autodetects _most_ commercially available hardware and is a great alternative to a couple of hundred dollars worth of competitive products. Other than that I liked your review and would like to see more like this on lists like this. Many thanks Gund -----Original Message----- From: Craig Box [mailto:craig(a)dubculture.co.nz] Sent: Wed 1/09/2004 21:13 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review As pointed out on the SUSE page on the wiki, the German distribution SUSE has never had much of a following in New Zealand. With the purchase of Novell and the impending push in support that Novell will give for SUSE based products, and the new availability of a one-CD 'personal' edition, I thought I'd give SUSE a try. Installation The personal edition of SUSE comes on one CD, and it seems very positive from the start. Immediately upon boot you get a nice graphical splash screen, allowing you to either continue booting from the hard drive or install Linux, in normal or failsafe mode. It will attempt to automatically detect your screen resolution for the graphical installer, or you can pick one from a list. When YaST, the SUSE installer/setup tool loads, the good impressions continue. The installer is very much like the RedHat/FedoraProject installer, with help down the left side and the main options in a larger window on the right. It makes some judgements about your computer and offers a single click install. It detected a Windows partition and offered to shrink it and install into the newly created space, which would be an excellent option for new users. On my test machine, a P3-500 laptop with 192mb of RAM, I told it I wanted to manually override this and install to the whole hard drive. There are some niggles in the installer - you specify the time zone at this point, and there wasn't one for New Zealand at all! I had to select GMT+12 from an "Etc" list, but this won't account for daylight savings. At this point I should point out that the functionality available is limited by the fact this is a one CD distribution - you don't get GNOME, but SUSE has always been strongly aligned with KDE. The installer claimed it was going to install 1.4Gb of data - decent compression for a 700mb CD - and did so in a little over 45 minutes. The slide show was reasonably standard, offering screenshots and soundbites. KDE is referred to as "the comfortable desktop" - a comment on it's well known "resemblance" to MicrosoftWindows, I'm sure. The screenshots looked like they could do with being updated. They advertised Kopete and GAIM on the same screen - while it's nice to have options, it's also nice to have a 'best of breed'. (The personal edition doesn't actually have GAIM). Also, for a Windows user going through this setup, I think I'd like to see projects with less 'kooky' names. After a reboot, YaST continued with it's first boot routine, setting up user accounts and hardware. It complained about 'root' as a root password on two counts, being too short and containing the username. It also asked me to create a user account, and I notice it had auto-login on for that user. It also auto-detected the laptop's built in modem. After about an hour total, I had booted into SUSE. Desktop Experience Linux is Linux, and as a regular GNOME user, it's hard to judge a KDE desktop objectively. I'm not sure how much of the issues were SUSE and how much were KDE, but as SUSE are the major sponsor of KDE development I assume the two are interconnected somehow. The desktop is very reminiscent of Knoppix or Mandrake, but after an excellent looking setup routine, the default desktop was disappointing. The main fonts were too small and the OpenOffice fonts were too big. Changing the KDE fonts was simple; setting font size to 90% in OpenOffice made them look almost identical (more so than they do on Fedora), but it's not something that a normal user will be able to do. It's possibly not even something they'd notice. Desktop icons give you a nice tooltip, but they need to be single clicked, which isn't immediately clear. I had two of everything popping up straight away. For a personal edition desktop, it offers litlte more than three games - Enigma, Freeciv and Frozen Bubble. KDE on other distros ships with dozens of little games - I found it odd that they were all missing. Surely something like the LIRC client could be cleared to make way for Soko Ban. The SUSE help, built on the KDE help center, has a great manual built in, but it seems a little out of date, and it isn't customized for the personal edition. The desktop sharing stuff in KDE looked promising, if not a direct copy of the Remote Assistance feature in Windows. I'm glad to see the mail/contacts/calendar apps compiled into one application but it's hidden in the Office menu below "Document Viewer" and above "Office Suite", yet named "Kontact" and not "Groupware Client" or "Email/Contacts". Overall however the menu structure was far more contained than Fedora's mess, and more manageable than Knoppix by virtue of having less packages installed. As a personal edition I didn't check too far into the console - Aristotle suggests that it's crippled without a compiler, but I was trying to use locate and it didn't even have that! Surely it could have done away with something like the LIRC server in favour of a bit more power in the CLI. Hardware support YaST has some nice ideas - it has a "Load Vendor Driver CD" option for example, which would be great if vendors shipped driver CDs, but after the initial detection of the modem, I was let down by it saying that it needed the 'ltmodem' package, which wasn't on the CD. SUSE 9.1 Personal comes with Sun's Java, Acrobat Reader and RealPlayer, so they're obviously happy with licensing software. The lack of internet connectivity meant that, without a network card in the laptop, I couldn't go any further with internet access. Otherwise, YaST seems like a very clean interface for configuring a system, and isn't just a copy of Control Panel. Being built on the 2.6 kernel, I would have expected better laptop support as well. Closing the hood seemed to make no effect, either on AC power or on the battery. The ACPI options in YaST suggested that there was no ACPI support, and APM didn't do anything. Sound "just worked" - including software mixing in all the applications I tried, including the always tricky RealPlayer. I was very glad to see Noatun dropped in favour of xmms. Conclusion I have only seen little bits of Mandrake, but from what I have seen, as a KDE distribution it rivals SUSE on every strength, and now that YaST is open source, it could well have everything that SUSE Personal has to offer. If you're looking for something to give to your Mum, and you're a KDE fan, evaluate Mandrake along with SUSE. Personally, I hope the fact that SUSE is now under the same wing as Novell's Ximian team, means that we will see some of their great advances and ability to make simple tidy ups to a broken interface, applied to the SUSE desktop. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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SUSE Personal 9.1 review
by Craig Box 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

As pointed out on the SUSE page on the wiki, the German distribution SUSE has never had much of a following in New Zealand. With the purchase of Novell and the impending push in support that Novell will give for SUSE based products, and the new availability of a one-CD 'personal' edition, I thought I'd give SUSE a try. Installation The personal edition of SUSE comes on one CD, and it seems very positive from the start. Immediately upon boot you get a nice graphical splash screen, allowing you to either continue booting from the hard drive or install Linux, in normal or failsafe mode. It will attempt to automatically detect your screen resolution for the graphical installer, or you can pick one from a list. When YaST, the SUSE installer/setup tool loads, the good impressions continue. The installer is very much like the RedHat/FedoraProject installer, with help down the left side and the main options in a larger window on the right. It makes some judgements about your computer and offers a single click install. It detected a Windows partition and offered to shrink it and install into the newly created space, which would be an excellent option for new users. On my test machine, a P3-500 laptop with 192mb of RAM, I told it I wanted to manually override this and install to the whole hard drive. There are some niggles in the installer - you specify the time zone at this point, and there wasn't one for New Zealand at all! I had to select GMT+12 from an "Etc" list, but this won't account for daylight savings. At this point I should point out that the functionality available is limited by the fact this is a one CD distribution - you don't get GNOME, but SUSE has always been strongly aligned with KDE. The installer claimed it was going to install 1.4Gb of data - decent compression for a 700mb CD - and did so in a little over 45 minutes. The slide show was reasonably standard, offering screenshots and soundbites. KDE is referred to as "the comfortable desktop" - a comment on it's well known "resemblance" to MicrosoftWindows, I'm sure. The screenshots looked like they could do with being updated. They advertised Kopete and GAIM on the same screen - while it's nice to have options, it's also nice to have a 'best of breed'. (The personal edition doesn't actually have GAIM). Also, for a Windows user going through this setup, I think I'd like to see projects with less 'kooky' names. After a reboot, YaST continued with it's first boot routine, setting up user accounts and hardware. It complained about 'root' as a root password on two counts, being too short and containing the username. It also asked me to create a user account, and I notice it had auto-login on for that user. It also auto-detected the laptop's built in modem. After about an hour total, I had booted into SUSE. Desktop Experience Linux is Linux, and as a regular GNOME user, it's hard to judge a KDE desktop objectively. I'm not sure how much of the issues were SUSE and how much were KDE, but as SUSE are the major sponsor of KDE development I assume the two are interconnected somehow. The desktop is very reminiscent of Knoppix or Mandrake, but after an excellent looking setup routine, the default desktop was disappointing. The main fonts were too small and the OpenOffice fonts were too big. Changing the KDE fonts was simple; setting font size to 90% in OpenOffice made them look almost identical (more so than they do on Fedora), but it's not something that a normal user will be able to do. It's possibly not even something they'd notice. Desktop icons give you a nice tooltip, but they need to be single clicked, which isn't immediately clear. I had two of everything popping up straight away. For a personal edition desktop, it offers litlte more than three games - Enigma, Freeciv and Frozen Bubble. KDE on other distros ships with dozens of little games - I found it odd that they were all missing. Surely something like the LIRC client could be cleared to make way for Soko Ban. The SUSE help, built on the KDE help center, has a great manual built in, but it seems a little out of date, and it isn't customized for the personal edition. The desktop sharing stuff in KDE looked promising, if not a direct copy of the Remote Assistance feature in Windows. I'm glad to see the mail/contacts/calendar apps compiled into one application but it's hidden in the Office menu below "Document Viewer" and above "Office Suite", yet named "Kontact" and not "Groupware Client" or "Email/Contacts". Overall however the menu structure was far more contained than Fedora's mess, and more manageable than Knoppix by virtue of having less packages installed. As a personal edition I didn't check too far into the console - Aristotle suggests that it's crippled without a compiler, but I was trying to use locate and it didn't even have that! Surely it could have done away with something like the LIRC server in favour of a bit more power in the CLI. Hardware support YaST has some nice ideas - it has a "Load Vendor Driver CD" option for example, which would be great if vendors shipped driver CDs, but after the initial detection of the modem, I was let down by it saying that it needed the 'ltmodem' package, which wasn't on the CD. SUSE 9.1 Personal comes with Sun's Java, Acrobat Reader and RealPlayer, so they're obviously happy with licensing software. The lack of internet connectivity meant that, without a network card in the laptop, I couldn't go any further with internet access. Otherwise, YaST seems like a very clean interface for configuring a system, and isn't just a copy of Control Panel. Being built on the 2.6 kernel, I would have expected better laptop support as well. Closing the hood seemed to make no effect, either on AC power or on the battery. The ACPI options in YaST suggested that there was no ACPI support, and APM didn't do anything. Sound "just worked" - including software mixing in all the applications I tried, including the always tricky RealPlayer. I was very glad to see Noatun dropped in favour of xmms. Conclusion I have only seen little bits of Mandrake, but from what I have seen, as a KDE distribution it rivals SUSE on every strength, and now that YaST is open source, it could well have everything that SUSE Personal has to offer. If you're looking for something to give to your Mum, and you're a KDE fan, evaluate Mandrake along with SUSE. Personally, I hope the fact that SUSE is now under the same wing as Novell's Ximian team, means that we will see some of their great advances and ability to make simple tidy ups to a broken interface, applied to the SUSE desktop.

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RE: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review
by Lindsay Druett 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

But alas, on all the Cisco courses I've been on (a couple of them led by instructors with CCIE) had Windows machines and were using Hyperterm. I've also seen to many people out in the field using Hyperterm. It's *very* sad... > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 2 September 2004 09:55 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review > > > Lindsay Druett wrote: > > >I guess minicom is a 'nice to have'. > > > >It certainly would have been nice for me to have when I wanted to > >connect my laptop/desktop into the console port of a Cisco device. > > > > > > > > Real Cisco engineers use cat. > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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RE: [wlug] SUSE Personal 9.1 review
by Lindsay Druett 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

I guess minicom is a 'nice to have'. It certainly would have been nice for me to have when I wanted to connect my laptop/desktop into the console port of a Cisco device. Well, can't complain too much, at least joe (Joe's own editor) was part of the package. > The idea to make it small and accessible will make it small > and accessible, so there is little room for 'nice to haves'. > The target market is definitely not the general LINUX > community, so there will be no compile tools and little > command line stuff. I think the idea is that my mother could > install it and use it well on her P1. It autodetects _most_ > commercially available hardware and is a great alternative to > a couple of hundred dollars worth of competitive products. >

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Can some *please* explain this error
by Lindsay Druett 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

What's this error message all about when I'm trying todo the following apt-get install cyrus21-admin cyrus21-common cyrus21-clients cyrus21-doc cyrus21-imapd cyrus21-pop3d libcyrus-imap-perl21 sasl2-bin I get this error message... dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)

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Modern software on old hardware
by Craig Box 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

I recently had a Celeron 500 that I wanted to install for my flatmate to use as an internet/email machine. All evidence points to the 2.6 kernel being better on old hardware than 2.4, and in general support for hardware increases as you have newer software, so I thought I'd try installing Fedora Core 2 (then test3) on the machine. I've heard good things about the XFCE desktop environment, so I installed that. The machine started out with 64mb of RAM and took an ice age to install (I think it's about the RPM database needing to be in RAM at install time). It quickly got upgraded to 192mb RAM, which isn't exactly "new modern specs" but is a machine that was better specced than many machines we had at the recent installfest. I ran a quick, responsive, usable desktop environment on a 286 at 10Mhz. Linux was basically unusable on this machine. Software took an age to load, you could hardly run two things at the same time, and it was constantly in swap. The options seemed to be "run Windows 98" (the OS the machine was originally shipped with), or get some sort of Linux distribution that was around the same age. The Fedora Legacy project provides security updates for Red Hat as far back as 7.3, but I really don't want to run old software. In the end I found a surprising third option - I installed Windows XP and turned off most of the flash visual bits and pieces, and ended up with a usable machine running modern software. Not something that I wanted to have to do! There's a long standing belief that Linux can be used to revitalise old hardware. Short of using a terminal server of some description (which wasn't an option in this case), is this true? Craig

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RE: [wlug] VOIP
by Lindsay Druett 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Argh... This sounds so sad, yet another person wants to use a Windows machine as a SIP phone... Around $ 250.00 will buy you a Cisco ATA-186 phone adaptor and give you two phone lines... Visit www.fwd.pulver.com and download their IP Phone and connect up with them, get a phone number and try some of these phone numbers... http://www.wlug.org.nz/SIPDirectory You could also try www.stanaphone.com Here's my set up http://www.lindsay.wired.net.nz/projects/sip/ > -----Original Message----- > From: jaytee(a)clear.net.nz [mailto:jaytee(a)clear.net.nz] > Sent: Monday, 30 August 2004 17:01 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: [wlug] VOIP > > > Hi All, > Can anyone give me some simple instructions for a > windows 98 user to get internet telphone service here in NZ? > Regards John > > > info/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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VOIP
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Hi All, Can anyone give me some simple instructions for a windows 98 user to get internet telphone service here in NZ? Regards John info/wlug

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Yoper
by s swami 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

I've just installed V2.0 (thinking it was 2.1). Yoper V2.0 comes with KDE 3.2.3 (V2.1 comes with KDE 3.3 and OpenOffice.org so I'll be visiting Copyleft soon). I have a small network and always use /etc/hosts rather than DHCP. I might have done something wrong (I know I didn't say "yes" to DHCP) so eth0 wasn't up. I fixed this by putting the appropriate ifconfigs in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S20network (RedHat-like rc configurations are scary!) SiS SI7012 audio works out-of-the-box. My wheel mouse was detected. (Hey, it's a big deal for me ok ;-) I'll have to set up my brother HL-1430 printer manually. And one small thing: Yoper is as responsive as W2K on this machine -- in fact, it is probably faster. Barring something major, Yoper will now be my desktop OS (just like they said it would :-) _Kudos to Andreas and his development team_ Sid.

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Filesystem Top.
by Oliver Jones 28 Aug '04

28 Aug '04

Heya. Anyone know of a tool that is like "top" but for showing the number of files a process has open. I know all about lsof. But I want something along the lines of: PID NAME OPENFILES 1234 httpd 20 5321 bash 5 ... Etc... Something I can sort by number of files open like you can sort top by memory or cpu usage. Anyone know of anything like this or knows how to get lsof and some grep/perl/awk filters to do something similar. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Director » oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 Deeper Design Limited » +64 (7) 377 3328 » www.deeperdesign.com

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