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Re: wlug Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8
by Dean 10 Jul '05

10 Jul '05

I have had notorious problems with Ubuntu and external modems, It has put me off for the moment until I can find a fix. I have tried 2 different external modems and both had sub 14.4k connection speeds. I think I tried some init strings and I tried setserial, both with no noticeable effect. If you do find a solution I would be very interested in it. :) Dean > Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:20:43 +1200 > From: Ivan Potgieter <tealsky(a)bigfoot.com> > Subject: [wlug] ISO + Modem questions > To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <42CFB30B.5(a)bigfoot.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi all, <snip> > ALSO: > > I am having some trouble with my external modem... > > * The abridged version * > Good connection using Win2K, SLOW connection using Ubuntu. > > * Detailed version * > Step1: To begin, I checked to see what modem I had via MiniCom: > atz > OK > ati1 > External Controller Ver1.20, CheckSum=617A > OK > ati3 > TP560 Data/Fax/Voice 56K Modem > OK > > - So it is a (generic) 56K Modem. > > Step2: I used Win2k to perform a speed test (it's the pc nearest to the > phone line) > Connected to http://www.jestreamgames.co.nz/speed/ > Quite a respectable speed (43 K bits/sec) > > Step3: I connected the modem to Com1 on my Ubuntu box, it connected, but > the same test (on the same phone line) gave me 0.9 K bytes / sec! > > I realize that the speed test is not going to be overly accurate, but > I'm not concerned with getting an accurate speed measurement. I just > used this method to get a comparison. btw - I did the 500k test. > > Does anyone have any ideas / suggestions ? > > Thanks > Ivan > > >

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Warren Hughes is out of the office.
by Warren Hughes 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

I will be out of the office starting 08/07/2005 and will not return until 09/07/2005. Hi, thanks for your email. I am at home with a cold. I will be checking email occasionally. Cheers, Warren.

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FW: Announcing Launch of ($10m) Ubuntu Foundation
by Craig Box 08 Jul '05

08 Jul '05

Below is the press release sent off to the wires announcing the creation of a new foundation by Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical to help support Ubuntu and employ core Ubuntu developers over the long term and to help distinguish the commercial support and certification programs of Canonical from the truly community-based nature of much of Ubuntu's work. There are some other big announcements buried in there as well like the introduction of longer-term supported releases. :) I hope you join me in thinking this is fantastic news for the Ubuntu community on a number of different levels. Regards, Mako LAUNCH OF $10m UBUNTU FOUNDATION 08 July 2005 Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical Ltd, founders of the popular Ubuntu Linux-based operating system, have today announced the creation of The Ubuntu Foundation with an initial funding commitment of US$10m. The Ubuntu Foundation will employ core Ubuntu community members to ensure that Ubuntu (www.ubuntu.com) will remain fully supported for an extended period of time, and continue to produce new releases of the distribution. As a first step, the Foundation announces that Ubuntu version 6.04, due for release in April 2006, will be supported for three years on the desktop and five years on the server. The Foundation was established on July 1st 2005 with an initial funding commitment of US$10 million, to ensure the continuity of the Ubuntu project and create a legal vehicle that represents the community structures of the project. "It's important for us to distinguish the philanthropic and non-commercial work that is at the heart of the Ubuntu project, from the commercial support and certification programs that are the focus of Canonical Ltd." said Mark Shuttleworth, who is founder of the project and is making the initial $10m commitment to the Foundation. "The core team members employed by the Ubuntu Foundation will ensure that we can meet public commitments to keep Ubuntu entirely free of charge, as well as meeting commitments of support for extended periods. I'm very excited at the progress that has been made in bringing free software to the global marketplace, and pleased to continue my support for the project in this way." Ubuntu has quickly become a leading distribution in the free software world, taking the #1 place in DistroWatch popularity rankings over all timescales which are published. The distribution focuses on usability, security and stability on desktops and servers, and on making free software widely available for individuals and organisations who are ready to switch from proprietary platforms, such as Microsoft Windows. Ubuntu has also become the basis of many other derivative distributions, particularly those backed by govenments for widespread deployment. The government of Andalucia, Spain recently announced that its own version of Linux would be based on Ubuntu, and deployed in all educational operations. LONGER SERVER SUPPORT CYCLE One driving factor behind the creation of the Foundation was the need to ensure that an Ubuntu release can be deployed on servers, which demand much slower release and upgrade cycles. "In order to support the use of free software on database and other servers, we will be offering security support for the Ubuntu base and major server components for a full five years", said Matt Zimmerman, CTO of the Ubuntu project. As Ubuntu and free software in general become more mainstream, it has become costly for companies and large organisations to keep track of the rapid pace of development. In the desktop environment the problem is more manageable, and steady improvements in the usability of desktop office and productivity applications have been welcomed. In the datacenter, however, where Linux and free software are considered mature, deployments have a preference for fewer releases with long lifecycles. Ubuntu version 6.04, to be released in April 2006, will be aimed at meeting those requirements with a full five year commitment to provide security and other critical updates for servers. This also meets the needs of OEM distribution providers and ISVs, who have expressed strong interest in supporting free software environments but who prefer to be able to plan for releases and support them for longer periods of time. The extended service support for Ubuntu version 6.04 will remain free of charge, under the same terms as the support currently provided to every release of Ubuntu. The extended service support program will only apply to designated releases of Ubuntu. Other releases, which will still be made on the current six-month cycle, will continue to receive the current commitment of 18 months free security and critical updates support. KEEPING FREE SOFTWARE FREE A primary goal of the Ubuntu Foundation is to ensure that a high quality distribution of free and open source software is available free of charge, throughout the world. "Free software is produced by expert volunteers who make their time and work freely available - our goal is to ensure that anybody in the world can make the best use of that work, at no charge." said Benjamin Mako Hill, Ubuntu Community Relations. Both Canonical and the Ubuntu Foundation have made public commitments that Ubuntu will always be freely available, without the need for royalties or licence payments of any kind. "We include only free and unencumbered applications, ensuring that users have the ability to share and modify their software." CONTINUED SUPPORT FROM CANONICAL LTD. The establishment of the Ubuntu Foundation enhances the commercial commitment already made to the Ubuntu project by Canonical, Ltd. "Demand for the commercial services offered by Canonical to users of Ubuntu continues to grow. We welcome the very large number of companies that have announced support for Ubuntu both regionally and globally, and expect to continue to create additional partnership, certification and support programs in coming months," stated Jane Silber, head of marketing at Canonical. The extended life support program for Ubuntu version 6.04 is in line with Canonical's efforts to broaden the OEM base for Ubuntu. "The distribution has been selected by several hardware manufacturers for sale with PCs and laptops, and the availability of a long term supported release of Ubuntu that's independent of the commercial success of Canonical meets the needs of specific manufacturers in the hardware marketplace", continued Silber. The Ubuntu Community Council will act as the advisory board of the Foundation. Current members of that Council are Benjamin Mako Hill, Colin Watson, James Troup and Mark Shuttleworth (Chairman). Contact: The Ubuntu Foundation Benjamin Mako Hill +1 206-409-7191 mako(a)ubuntu.com Canonical Ltd. Jane Silber +44 20 7052 9843 jane.silber(a)canonical.com -- Benjamin Mako Hill mako(a)ubuntu.com | mako(a)canonical.com

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sarge without security updates
by Michael Honeyfield 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

I don't know if this has come up yet, I don't recall it, but if it has, sorry. Debian's security updates for sarge are broken, http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200506142140 and the mailing list, http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/06/msg00142.html just a heads up for those running sarge in production. Mike

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Monitor for LUG
by swami 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

I'd like to donate a 17" monitor to the lug for demos, etc. I can bring it to the next meting. Cheers, Sid.

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First post - Help please
by Ivan Potgieter 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

Craig wrote: > As a new replacement.. ...check out Grisbi at http://www.grisbi.org/ Thanks, I tried it and it's great! Regards, Ivan

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First post - Help please
by Ivan 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

Hello all, I attended the last WLUG meeting (my first time at a LUG) and I picked up the latest Ubuntu CDs, which I have been trying it out. Although I am not new to Linux (in the far distant past I found great enjoyment setting up Linux servers: Samba, DHCPD, Apache, DNS, etc from the CLI - using Redhat 5.2 ). I have not had time to continue and much of that knowledge has faded. :-(( I do remember that there are no short-cuts: RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, RTFM, and RTFM again - Unfortunately due to demands on my time I cannot spend any great amount of quality time mulling over documentation and deciding the best application and/or strategy to take. (Ubuntu does make most tasks easy!) Recently, I have been spending a little time with Gentoo, but after trying Ubuntu's live CD I was hooked, especially since it has the Install disc as well. IMHO Ubuntu has really stepped up the standard with regards to getting the typical home user to experience Linux painlessly AND leaving them impressed and possibly even excited by the possibilities. (well, I was) <grin> Cutting to the chase: I have decided to replace the family's main PC with an Ubuntu Box. Currently it is mainly used for browsing, email, the family finance & the odd WinMine game. I have setup an old PC as a Ubuntu 'proof of concept' with great success so far, but there are a few issues: 1) I need a replacement for MS Money. GNUCash seems to be the appl for the job. Has anyone used it or any other that can be recommend? 2) Currently we access multiple (pop3) mailboxes. Since, Linux maintains strong user security, I am unsure which strategy to follow: a) Configure one user specifically for the mail. b) Share the mail between multiple users (shared single db) c) Other ??? I am also not sure which email appl to use. Evolution seems fully loaded with features, but would thunderbird be better? We also have about 3 years worth of archived mail which must be imported (from MS Outlook). 3) I would like to setup internet sharing from the Ubuntu box and I cannot find an easy (GUI) sharing option. I could probably do this 'manually', but would like to know if there is any way this can be achieved for non-techies. 4) How do I reconfigure X, to use a different video card? 5) Winmodems <sigh> is there any hope? Many people with whom I have come into contact would love to try/switch to Linux. The problem is that many have winmodems (myself included, fortunately I also have an USRobotics external that came to my rescue). Is there anything that can be done? (easily, that is) There are more questions, but I think these are enough for the moment. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Is there any way I can get my grubby mitts on 3 more Ubuntu disks? (As I mentioned before. I have been showing it around and would like to hand out the disks) Many thanks, Ivan

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Dual boot
by John Torrance 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

I have previously configured a dual boot system with Grub using XP (FAT32) and linux with no problems. However, on my main computer, I tried XP (NTFS) and Linux with disasterous results - lost my whole windows disk. I am keen to try and load Ubuntu concurrenly on a separate disk on my main XP computer but do not want to loose my bills etc. Has anyone successfully dual loaded Ubuntu on an XP machine where the XP is NTFS? Alternatively, can one convert NTFS to FAT32? Cheers John

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FW: ActiveState Releases ActivePerl, ActivePython & ActiveTcl for Sun's Solaris 10
by Craig Box 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Hello, ActiveState is pleased to announce the release of ActiveState's ActivePerl, ActivePython, and ActiveTcl language distributions for Sun's Solaris 10 Operating System (OS) for SPARC, x86 and x64 systems. The release underlines our commitment to providing developers with up-to-date scripting languages on Sun Solaris 10. Looking to update your Perl, Python, or Tcl distros on Solaris? See http://www.activestate.com/Products/new_releases.plex Please pass this information on to the members of your user group and we thank you all for your ongoing support of ActiveState and our products! Shezmeen Hudani Marketing Associate shezmeenh(a)activestate.com Tel: 604.484.6809 Web: www.ActiveState.com ActiveState, a division of Sophos

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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LDAP error on Wiki
by Ian McDonald 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

I just added member plugin to my page and it displays this on my page now: "WlugMember ldap error: binding to ldap server" I'm guessing something needs fixing here.... Ian

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Wlug Wiki License Changes
by Matt Brown 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

Hi All, Long mail sorry, please read at least the first five paragraphs, as they are the critical ones. I'm happy to receive comments on this, please try and keep onlist replies to topics that are of interest to *all* readers only. Currently the wiki states that copyright is retained by the author of the page, but provides no details on the acceptable uses of that content. This leaves the situation quite murky. Clearly it is highly desirable to have a much more definite situation regarding the licensing of wiki content. To this end the Committee has decided that going forward the wiki content will be licensed under the Creative Commons Wiki License. Details information on this can be found at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugWikiLicense in short it allows anyone to copy / modify / distribute the wiki content provided that they a) attribute its source as the WlugWiki b) provide the copied / modified / distributed content under the same license as they are using it under (ie the WlugWikiLicense). As a wiki author it means that you are agreeing that your content can be used in the ways specified by the license and you are waiving your rights to attribution in favour of the content being attributed to the Wiki. You'll still get your name displayed on the wiki in the recent changes / page history / etc :) If you're an author (have ever added or edited content to the wiki, please add the following code to your HomePage to indicate that you are happy for all your past / future content to be licensed under the WlugWikiLicense. ---- I agree to the WlugWikiLicense%%% [http://www.wlug.org.nz/theme/WLUG05/cc-wiki.gif] ---- >From the date Mon 18 July 2005 00:00 NZST onwards all authors making additions and modifications to the wiki must agree to provide their content under the WlugWikiLicense. This will be clearly described on the edit page from this date forth so that everyone understands this. ----- Critical bit ends now - thanks for your patience ------ The remainder of this email deals with our plans for the significant issue of how to relicense the existing wiki content in an appropriate and acceptable manner. In this process the committee is trying to balance the need to have a robust defendable process for relicensing the content, with the common belief that anyone who added content to the wiki (by it's very nature) was implicitly agreeing that it could be further copied / modified / distributed. While we think that there is a very strong argument for this interpretation we would still like to set a good example by obtaining permission to relicense from authors wherever possible. Obviously there will be some content (imported manpages / howtos / etc) that we may not be able to relicense, so for the forseeable future there will be certain pages in the wiki that will not be under the CreativeCommons license. Each page will clearly describe the terms that it is licensed under. It is the committees intention to work with wiki authors over time to bring more and more content under the new license, with the eventual goal of having all content in the wiki available under the same license. This may take some time :) 1) As described above the first step in the migration plan is to get every author to add to their page a statement that they agree to the WlugWikiLicense 2) A plugin will be written to analyse each page and the individual diffs that constitute the current version of this. 3) For each diff the author will be looked up to see if they have agreed to the new license 4) If all authors of significant diffs that constitute the present version of the page have agreed to the creative commons license the page will be licensed under creative commons, otherwise it will remain as is. 5) Significant diffs as mentioned above must meet two criteria 1) They were not marked as a 'Minor change' when they were made 2) They add or modify more than 10 lines of the page content and contain new material (ie. A 20 line diff that fixes capitalisation and punctuation is not significant). Hopefully this is an acceptable process that will allow us to progressively bring the entire wiki under the new license as we gain acceptance from more and more authors, and as pages naturally grow and are modified with new content under the new license. Pages containing both old content and new licensed content will default to being displayed as they currently are (ie not under the new license). Futher details are available at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugWikiLicense and I am happy to clarify any details that I've missed out of this email. Thanks for your patience, -- Matt Brown Wlug Commitee Member matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz

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NZCS meeting on Thursday. Topic - Open Source.
by Michael McDonald 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

Those of you who feel deprived by not having a WLUG meeting tonight are welcome to join with the Waikato Branch of the New Zealand Computer Society at their meeting on Thursday night, at the Okoroire Hotel – a very pleasant spot (see http://www.okohotel.co.nz/ ) Meal & 2 speakers for $35 per head. Topic is Open Source software. See http://www.nzcs.org.nz/tools/events/default.asp?SECT=waikato_bop for more details of the meeting and to register for the event. Michael McDonald PS Apologies if this appears twice .. sent it from the wrong email account first time!

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Re: [wlug] First post - Help please
by Ivan 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi, Thanks for all the help. Bnonn I tried: > $ sudo aptitude update > $ aptitude install gnucash Update worked, but install didnt. The highlight (lowloght) was: ** Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gnucash" ** Then I tried Synaptic Package Manager (as Matt suggested) - Did not work at first, but tweaked it a bit and got it going. It took forever to download - I think my modem must be in v.34 Mode or something - will have to investigate. BTW GNUCash seems to suit our needs. Thanks again for all the help. Ivan

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ubuntu PPC
by Michael Honeyfield 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

I have about 8 ubuntu PPC CDs. I was meant to get x86_64.. oh well. Since I have no use for them myself, is there anyone on this list that want them? Mike

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hoiho (wlug server) upgrade
by John R. McPherson 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Hi, some time this afternoon we will be upgrading the operating system on hoiho from debian woody to debian sarge. This may temporarily affect the website and access to shell and mail accounts. John

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 21 Jun '05

21 Jun '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A WLUG meeting is booked for this date. If you're seeing this message, feel free to suggest or offer to present a meeting topic - the MeetingTopics page might be a good place to start.

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Stolen laptop
by zcat 19 Jun '05

19 Jun '05

A few days ago my laptop was stolen from my van. I'm fairly sure that the people who stole it were on foot and live within a few blocks from here (around the Poutney Park area). They also stole a stack of DivX movie CDs, some tools, and varous other items. I'm expecting that they won't be able to sell it (my laptop has no keyboard) but they might be able to figure out how to swap the Linux drive for the Windows drive and play movies on it, and there's a slight chance that they will leave the Wifi card plugged in. SO if anyone's driving around this area with a laptop and netstumbler, please look out for the MAC address 00:04:e2:b5:51:0d. If it shows up make a note of the approximate location and call me 8551826 or 0212595256. -- Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored.

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On getting and setting up Ubuntu (dual booted)
by s swami 18 Jun '05

18 Jun '05

I'd like to try Gnome. (shush :-) Ubuntu seems to be the way to go given WLUG expertise and a read of the wiki. Do we have any more cd's to give away? Can I hopefully get the most recent version? How do I get hold of them? I'm on a blistering 33k[1] modem so the more stuff I can get on cd, the better. Current setup: Slackware dual booted with w2k on a single HD. Would like to replace w2k with Ubuntu. (Judith has her own box now!) Steps ----- 1. backup Slack 2. delete w2k partition with Linux fdisk 3. intall Ubuntu beside Slack I'm already familiar with lilo but if things will be smoother for dual Slackware/Ubuntu with grub (for whatever reason) I'm happy to switch. Advice, suggestions, warnings are appreciated. Does Ubuntu come with reiserfs? Thanks Sid [1] Until recently, I thought it was a 56k.

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fedora core 4 available?
by stephen pearce 17 Jun '05

17 Jun '05

Anyone downloaded fedora core 4 distro .. preferable onto dvd? If so could I negotiate a copy please? Thanks Stephen

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NZ Govt and DRM
by Daniel Lawson 16 Jun '05

16 Jun '05

Just noticed this linked from nz.comp: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050613130705170 "NZ asks questions about DRM". This is particularly relevant as DRM was raised at Monday's meeting as an issue that we would like NZ's government to be aware of.

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Re: [wlug] Problem with wireless, Can anybody help?
by Michael Honeyfield 16 Jun '05

16 Jun '05

What does dmesg tell you? Has the kernel even loaded a module for the wireless card? You will probably need ndiswrapper and the *.inf *.sys files from the windows driver to make it work. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ian McDonald <imcdnzl(a)gmail.com> Sent: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:41:48 +1200 To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [wlug] Problem with wireless, Can anybody help? On 14/06/05, linuxmdkuser <linuxmdkuser(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I bought Sony VAIO laptop K-415B and installed there Mandriva LE 2005. > Everything is ok, just cannot make connection via Wi-Fi. Seemes that > there is problem with driver or something like that, cuz it doesnot > recognize wifi. Does anybody have experience with sony vaio or how to > solve this? > I don't have experience with Sony Vaio but do have experience with wireless. When you say you cannot make connection can you give a few more details: - what wireless network card does this machine have? (You may need to look at manual to find out easily) - are you trying to use no security, WEP or WPA? (i.e. what are you trying to connect to) - does it work in Windows if you still have that on the machine? - can you give any error messages? Ian _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 14 Jun '05

14 Jun '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business

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Squid
by Bnonn 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

Hi everyone I'm looking for opinions on Squid. If anyone runs it, or has run it, can they offer their views on it, and comment on any possible pitfalls? I'm wanting to install it on Hoary to act as a caching web proxy on a firewall box. I notice that Squid doesn't appear to be in the Universe or Multiverse repos for Hoary (unless I'm using aptitude completely wrong). I have no problems compiling from source; I'm lazy and like to install from binary where possible. Does anyone know of third party repos with Squid in them? Any decent third party repos would be handy actually. Failing that, does anyone know why Squid is not included in the Hoary repos? It seems fairly popular and I would have expected to see it there. Regards Bnonn

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Invitation to WLUG members to attend NZCS presentation on Open Source
by Craig Box 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

The Waikato branch of the New Zealand Computer society have asked me to extend an invitation to WLUG members to attend a dinner and seminar on 30 June 2005, from 6pm to 10pm. The meeting is being held at the Okoroire Hotel (near Tirau), and consists of a gourmet three course dinner ($35.00 per head), and two speakers commencing at approximately 7:30pm. The speakers are Dave Nichols, a lecturer from the University of Waikato, speaking on "Usability and Open Source Software", and Graham Lauder, marketing contact for OpenOffice.org in New Zealand, speaking on "Disrupting the Market Leader". Further information, including links to registration, is available at http://www.nzcs.org.nz/tools/events/event.asp?SECT=waikato_bop&ID=714. Regards, Craig

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Fwd: Installation Guide for Fedora Core 4
by Ian McDonald 12 Jun '05

12 Jun '05

Folks, For those that are looking to install FC4 this documentation may be useful. It is reasonably simple but it is good that the community is starting to provide this level of documentation. Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com> Date: 13-Jun-2005 05:59 Subject: Installation Guide for Fedora Core 4 To: fedora-announce-list(a)redhat.com The Fedora Documentation Project is very proud to announce the availability of the first Installation Guide for Fedora Core from the Fedora Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/fedora-install-guide-en/fc4/ Many thanks to the author/editor combo who took this guide from just a general outline through to a complete, truly-open source document. This guide is specifically for Fedora Core 4 and x86 hardware. Our intention is to follow-up with a version for Fedora Core 3. If you are interested in the documentation project, such as providing assistance to making the Installation Guide cover x86_64 and PPC architectures, here is where to start: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ Enjoy! -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Red Hat SELinux Guide http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/ BodyID:40827669.2.n.logpart (stored separately) -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list(a)redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 12 Jun '05

12 Jun '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !! WLUG Meeting - 13th June 2005 Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, 7pm. NandorTanczos of the Green Party (http://www.greens.org.nz/) is scheduled to discuss his views on OpenSource software.

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 09 Jun '05

09 Jun '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !! WLUG Meeting - 13th June 2005 Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, 7pm. NandorTanczos of the Green Party (http://www.greens.org.nz/) is scheduled to discuss his views on OpenSource software.

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A warning to Mono fans?
by s swami 09 Jun '05

09 Jun '05

http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20050607122215586 Sid.

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RE: [wlug] boot problems
by Justin Hyde 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

> root (hd0,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root= /dev/hd1 ro quiet splash > initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386 > savedefault > boot One would assume the /dev/hd1 should be /dev/hda1 (or hdb1 possibly) Yes, I made a typo, currently it is /dev/hda1

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RE: [wlug] boot problems
by Justin Hyde 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

Thanks for the help, got home and tried a few ideas these are my "start up" lines in grub root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root= /dev/hd1 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386 savedefault boot (I may have added/left out a space after transposing this via hardcopy) I have tried changing hd0 to hd1 in the first line, this starts the boot process, but hangs on another error (that i forgot to write down) looks like I will see you guys on Monday..... -----Original Message----- From: Matt Brown [mailto:matt(a)mattb.net.nz] Sent: Wed 2005-06-08 10:35 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] boot problems On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 10:31 +1200, zcat wrote: > OK, on digging a little further, /dev/hda1 is type 0x7 which is NTFS. > That's almost certainly not your root partition, so I'll change my advice. > > Boot a live CD and find out where your root partition really is. Mount > it rw and edit the grub or lilo config appropriately (and reinstall lilo > if that's what you use) and THEN the box should boot normally. Note that if you're using grub (which Ubuntu does by default) you don't need to mount rw to fix problems. simply push 'e' on the line that is about to be booted and you'll be able to edit it. This will allow you to try booting with different root partitions /dev/hda2, /dev/hda3 etc until you find the correct one. Once you done that and booted up ubuntu successfully then you can modify the grub config on the hard disk. Yet another reason why grub is much better than lilo :) Regards -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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LAN mail server
by Michael Honeyfield 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

I am looking for suggestions and maybe even links, on info on setting up a LAN mail server. It needs to collect ISP email and send email to an ISP. So, collect @orcon.net.nz email, store it in imap or what ever and send it back to orcon. No IP address or domain name, just ISP email. I am a complete email server nub, so any help would be great. Mike

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Re: [wlug] Sarge is out
by Michael Honeyfield 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Its not *my* client. If you have read other emails of my, I have apologised for Orcon's shit webmail Thanks :) Mike -----Original Message----- From: "A. Pagaltzis" <pagaltzis(a)gmx.de> Sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 01:19:19 +0200 To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [wlug] Sarge is out please fix your mailclient. Itâs sending tons of extraneous tags (in non-HTML mails) and it doesnât add an In-Reply-To header either (breaks threading).

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Re: [wlug] Sarge is out
by Michael Honeyfield 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

netinstall ISO :) Mike -----Original Message----- From: James Clark <jamesc(a)bofh.co.nz> Sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:20:22 +1200 To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [wlug] Sarge is out On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 10:14:55AM +1200, Craig Box wrote: > New 3.1r0a images will be available shortly to correct this flaw. In the > meantime, CD vendors should delay pressing CDs or DVDs of Debian 3.1. We > apologise for the inconvenience. > --- > > Sucks to be an early adopter. Have to download the entire thing again > today! If you use jigdo it'll build the image from what it downloads, and it only downloads changed packages (IIRC). James. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] boot problems
by Michael Honeyfield 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

ext3 is default. I would question the sanity of the person that leaves ext3 out of the kernel. Possible a corrupt partition table? Mike PS: sorry for orcons crap webmail sevice and poorly formated emails :( -----Original Message----- From: zcat <zcat(a)maxnet.co.nz> Sent: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:17:13 +1200 To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [wlug] boot problems > > Had a look on Ubuntu forums, some people have reinstalled Ubuntu after booting from a bootable CD to get around this problem. That sounds a bit extreme!! What filesystem does ubuntu use by default? Sounds to me like someone released a new kernel without compiling in the appropriate FS support. My solution would be boot from the live CD, mount your root partition, copy over the live CD kernel and initrd.img, then edit grub or lilo to boot from that kernel. After that you should be able to boot normally and go find a newer kernel that works like it should. -- Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Sarge is out
by James Clark 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 James.

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boot problems
by Justin Hyde 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Since installing the synaptic update last month I have not been able to boot to Ubuntu, (and I have been using Windows ever since) I get the following error on boot up kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition root (hd0,0) Filesystem type unknown, partition, typ 0x7 after this I can get to Grub and boot to WinXP only System is 2 HDD, 10GB has Ubuntu, 60GB has WinXP Had a look on Ubuntu forums, some people have reinstalled Ubuntu after booting from a bootable CD to get around this problem. Are there any other options? My experience level is not very high having just installed Ubuntu at the fest last month. Cheers Justin Hyde

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ActiveState on Mac OS X
by Craig Box 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Sent to me by one of our generous benefactors. -- Craig Dear Daniel, ActiveState is thrilled to announce today the release of ActivePerl, ActivePython, and ActiveTcl for the Mac OS X platform. The release of this world-renowned open source language distribution on OS X marks the beginning of ActiveState's commitment to Mac OS X developers. This brings the number of free language distributions to four platforms - with the existing Linux, Solaris and Windows free downloads. You may be interested to know that we are busily working on bringing Komodo to Mac OS X. We expect to offer a beta in August and release later this year. To keep up-to-date with our Mac OS X progress, betas and announcements, we invite you and your group to join our new mailing list: osx-announce(a)ActiveState.com You can join the OS X announce list on the ActiveState Programmer Network (ASPN): http://listserv.activestate.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-announce Looking to update your Perl, Python, or Tcl distros on Mac OS X? See www.ActiveState.com/osx Please pass this information on to the members of your user group and we thank you all for your ongoing support of ActiveState and our products! Thank You, Shezmeen Hudani Marketing Associate shezmeenh(a)activestate.com Tel: 604.484.6809 Web: www.ActiveState.com ActiveState, a division of Sophos

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WLUG Meeting this Monday
by John R. McPherson 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

WLUG Meeting - 13th June 2005 Location: LitB, 7pm. Nandor Tanczos of the Green Party is scheduled to discuss his views on Open Source software. (taken from http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-06-13)

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RE: [wlug] Introducing Software Freedom Day 2005!
by David Nicholls 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

I know a journo/writer who might be keen to help with this. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Box Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2005 12:08 pm Subject: [wlug] Introducing Software Freedom Day 2005! -----snip------ Writing: We would appreciate well-written articles about SFD or about FOSS in general that can be submitted to local media or distributed on the day. Form letters that can be sent to schools, businesses government organisation, etc. will also be useful. Material Design: We have some artwork already, but we need designs for the SFD 2005 CD labels and covers, as well as T-shirts, balloons, stickers, or even temporary tattoos! If you or your friends have some artistic inclinations feel free to pop into the SFD Forums to share your ideas and your work. Donations: SFD funds cover the costs of material and logistics support that we provide. The more funds we have available, the more material and logistical support we can provide for teams world-wide. So don't feels shy about donating :) Any surplus funds can be used for advertising in the week before the event. Donations can be made online at the SFD website.

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Introducing Software Freedom Day 2005!
by Craig Box 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Henrik Nilsen Omma writes.. Hello, Mark September 10th 2005 on your calendar! It is the second annual Software Freedom Day. We will be staging a range of events around the world to raise public awareness of Free and Open Source Software. This is a global grassroots effort, and we invite the Free and Open Source Software community around the world to join in the celebration and help spread the word! Over 70 teams joined the celebration in 2004, organising a range of events at schools, universities and public places. This year, we have every opportunity to grow and make an even greater impact on community awareness. What will happen? ----------------- You may celebrate the day locally however you would like, but we encourage you to engage in some sort of outreach activity to spread the FOSS message in your community. For example, you could organise a seminar or an installfest or simply invite people to meet up in the park for a picnic. If you want to participate, please stop by the SFD website [1] and register a team so that others in your area can find you and hook up. Our website and wiki have pictures and reports from some of the SFD2004 events, so you can get an idea of what worked well. If you participated last year, please join us again, and please share your experiences with the new teams. How does it work? ----------------- As last year, we will prepare special promotional materials for distribution by the SFD teams. In 2004 this included ISO images of a custom version of TheOpenCD and a custom version of Knoppix along with some printed materials. Due to our budget constraints we were only able to produce CD covers while the local teams did a great job of burning their own CDs and copying materials. This year we will create a single CD containing both a Live Linux image and some Windows-FOSS for this purpose. We have funding from our primary sponsor for up to 15.000 of our custom CDs shipped out to 150 teams world-wide! We In addition, other supplies (such as t-shirts and balloons) will be available, but the quantities and distribution process of these items is not yet determined (depends in part on the availability of additional funding). By June 15th we will provide a simple supply request form where established teams can request CDs and possibly other materials for SFD. Be sure to get in your application for supplies before the July 1st deadline so we can get the supplies produced and distributed in time for the event. What can I do? -------------- The best way to participate is to start forming a SFD team and start planning local celebrations. Make sure you register as an official team [1] so you can apply for sponsorship of materials. We also need help with lots of things on the global level: Writing: We would appreciate well-written articles about SFD or about FOSS in general that can be submitted to local media or distributed on the day. Form letters that can be sent to schools, businesses government organisation, etc. will also be useful. Material Design: We have some artwork already, but we need designs for the SFD 2005 CD labels and covers, as well as T-shirts, balloons, stickers, or even temporary tattoos! If you or your friends have some artistic inclinations feel free to pop into the SFD Forums to share your ideas and your work. Donations: SFD funds cover the costs of material and logistics support that we provide. The more funds we have available, the more material and logistical support we can provide for teams world-wide. So don't feels shy about donating :) Any surplus funds can be used for advertising in the week before the event. Donations can be made online at the SFD website. Getting in touch ------------------ Please stop by our forum or join #sfd on freenode IRC. We have set up a temporary mailing list here [2] where people can hook up, but we will provide more regional lists as the needs arise. Best wishes and happy Software Freedom Day 2005! - The SFD Team [1] http://softwarefreedomday.org/ [2] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/theopencd-sfd2005

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RE: [nzlug] Sarge is out
by Michael Honeyfield 06 Jun '05

06 Jun '05

w00t.. now ubuntu, linspire and libranet will be able to update their base.. oh wait.. ;) -----Original Message----- From: James Clark <jamesc(a)bofh.co.nz> Sent: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:05:11 +1200 To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz>, nzlug <nzlug(a)linux.net.nz> Subject: [nzlug] Sarge is out http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 James. ------------------------------------------------------------------- To remove yourself from this list, email nzlug-request(a)linux.net.nz with "unsubscribe" in the body of the message.

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Website Redesign
by Matt Brown 05 Jun '05

05 Jun '05

The more observant of you may notice that the WLUG Wiki is sporting a fancy new look. We'll probably roll this theme out across the other resources (Library / Webmail, and Planet WLUG (coming soon)) when we get some spare time. As with all new things there might be a few bugs lurking in the new theme, if you spot any please let me know. While I am semi-interested in comments on the new layout, I'm going to have a very low tolerance for comments like "the fonts look ugly" or "the fonts are too big" unless you're actually interested in making a positive contribution to improving the situation (and that generally means the email includes a diff for the .css that you think fixes the problem). Thanks to John, Perry and the others who have helped in the implementation of this new theme. Graphic design credits go to my wife Katalina. Kind Regards -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz

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Kiaora CD is 'piracy' ?!!
by zcat 05 Jun '05

05 Jun '05

I gave my wife a few spare copies of Kiaora CD to sell on Trademe (mostly just to get the name out there) and they were pulled. When I asked why, we got the following reply; Dear Susan, Thanks for contacting us. You are not allowed to list CDs containing programs that you do not hold the copyright for. These CDs contained a number of programs freely available on the internet. CDs of this nature are considered piracy and will be removed. If you have any further questions or if I can be of any further help please do not hesitate to contact me. Regards, Sophie I sent a fairly grumpy reply back citing the GPL, RMS's page on 'selling free software' and so on, but now Sue's quite upset and refuses to have anything more to do with it. What else can I do. TM seems to have some 'very confused' ideas of what constitutes piracy, and I have a hard time calmly explaining the issues when I feel like they're calling me (or Sue) a criminal and removing perfectly legitimate listings with no compensation. -- Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored.

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Gnome 2.10
by Oliver Jones 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

Hmm. After all that fricking around with Synaptic I can hardly notice the difference between Gnome 2.10 and 2.8. *sigh*. There are a few cool new applets, CPU freq monitor, trashcan, etc. And I think some of the games use SVG for graphics instead of PNG's (though I'm not sure if 2.8 didn't have that already). It doesn't seem as stable... in some areas. Though the package quality of the nrpms.net Gnome RPMS is not so great so this is probably more a problem with the RPMS than GNOME 2.10 as a whole. There are a few nice new apps. Seahorse (GPG encryption key manager), Evince (Cairo based PDF & PS viewer) considerably slower at rendering than gpdf :( but does provide nice thumbnails in Nautilus. Of course nothing beats Acrobat for rendering PDF but Acrobat takes an age to start. "Fast task switching", aka starting a new X session on another VT, is kinda neat. Remote desktop sharing would be handy in some cases. Coaster is an extremely simple CD/DVD burner which looks good/useful. GnomeBaker on the other hand looks like the startings of a K3B replacement, but with not as many features yet. Other than that, not a whole lot of difference. Of course the RedHat menus have gotten all buggered up with weird entries. Mainly from 3rd party rpms. As for some of the mono apps... well I've not played with them too much. Had a brief look at Muine, tomboy, f-spot and Beagle. Beagle will be cool. But it is quite rough around the edges at the moment. f-spot is good but 'alpha'-ish. Muine will be excellent when it supports more than mp3. Nearly all my music is in .m4a (AAC) format for my iPod. Muine uses GStreamer as a backend but GStreamer as shipped by NRPMS.net doesn't support AAC. Ah well... life on the bleeding edge... ;) Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RE: [wlug] I must be mad, aka Gnome 2.10.
by Craig Box 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

Oliver Jones wrote: > I've currently having Synaptic download Gnome 2.10 and all the latest > Mono RPM flashness from nrpms.net. I must be mad.... mad mad mad I > tell you. I almost feel the breakages now... ;) > > My system will be so heavily patched with 3rd party RPMS it will > barely feel like FC3 anymore. ;) You realise that FC4 is 5 days away, right? (As is Sarge, for that matter!) Craig

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I must be mad, aka Gnome 2.10.
by Oliver Jones 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

I've currently having Synaptic download Gnome 2.10 and all the latest Mono RPM flashness from nrpms.net. I must be mad.... mad mad mad I tell you. I almost feel the breakages now... ;) My system will be so heavily patched with 3rd party RPMS it will barely feel like FC3 anymore. ;) Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 May '05

31 May '05

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Bug in Wanted Wikis process?
by Ian McDonald 31 May '05

31 May '05

Hi there, One thing I have noticed at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WantedWikis is that some of the entries shouldn't be there. e.g. CategoryDialUpISP which is only referenced in http://www.wlug.org.nz/CategoryIsp but there it has a ~ in front of it to say that it is not a Wiki Word. There are lots more of these to be found.... Is this a known bug or just not been fixed? Ian

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FW: Help in setting up linux
by Craig Box 30 May '05

30 May '05

RMC Donnelly [rmcdonnelly(a)linuxmail.org] writes... Hi Im looking for some help in the Waikato area and Im hoping one of your members can be of service. Please excuse me if I say all the wrong things, or call stuff by the wrong names as all of this stuff goes way over my head. The problem I have is this: my partner has just installed open office on my mums pc which is good, but we live on the Kapiti Coast and she lives in Thames. We will courier her pc up to her, but this is where the problem starts. We need someone who is familiar with it to plug it in and configure it properly (I think thats what my partner said has to be done??) Is there any one of your group who lives close to Thames or is able to help us out with this? We would be willing to pay for their time and travel. My mum will need a little help in getting started on it too - how to do the basics and how to get onto the internet - shes 78 and is used to using only Microsoft products. We got rid of the microsoft stuff as Andy (my partner) says its unstable and full of security risks. Are you able to put a call out to your members and see if anyone is able to help us. Thanks for your time and once more please excuse my stupidity and ignorance - Im not the techy one in this household (as you probably have noticed LOL) Cheers Ruth Donnelly

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Problems with 2.6.11 on FC3
by Raymond Burgess 30 May '05

30 May '05

Hey Guys, I have installed FC3 on my server machine and have noticed huge problems when running the latest kernel release, 2.6.11-1.27_FC3. When ever I try to copy a larger amount of files from one partition to another the machine locks up and just dumps millions of lines of what looks to be a stack dump, I left it dumping to see what it said when it stoppped, but after 8 hours while I was at work it still was running past too fast to read. I have switched back to the stock 2.6.9 kernel that comes on the CD and have no problems doing the same thing. Anyone else had any problems with the newer kernel pacakge? Side note, I had originally planned to run Ubuntu on the machine but couldn't get it to boot off a Raid 1 /boot and / on LVM, FC3 handled installing on this setup without an issue. Raymond

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Sad news
by Craig Box 24 May '05

24 May '05

Just received this from judenlinz(a)orcon.net.nz, and thought it pertinent to pass it on to the list. -- Craig Sadly Lindsay had a heart attack then a few days later a massive stroke and died on Mon 16th May. His Memorial service was on Sat 21st May. He loved communicating with you all, receiving letters and experiences etc. As Lindsay was the computer buff and I am not, i have to shut down the computers. Know that you all made him very happy with your communications. To those who shared the same hope as Linz we look forward to the resurrection when we will once again see him on the Paradise Earth. Regards Judy

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 22 May '05

22 May '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MattBrown to present about GPG. NandorTanczos of the Green Party (http://www.greens.org.nz/) was scheduled to discuss his views on OpenSource software, but has postponed this until June. Where? http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Gate 1, Waikato University. When? 7pm

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GPG Keysigning Tomorrow Night
by Matt Brown 22 May '05

22 May '05

Hi, I'm doing a bit of an impromptu talk tomorrow night on PGP/GPG, what it is, why you'd want to use it, etc. At the end we'll organise an impromptu keysigning party. Given the late notice and the fact that there is not likely to be a huge number of people with keys I'm not going to organise anything using the fancy methods. So if you want to get your key signed you need to bring - A trusted copy of your key fingerprint (preferably multiple copies that are printed, so you can give them away) - At least one form of government issued photo id (two are preferred). Regards -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz

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Re: Software Patents
by David Bowen 21 May '05

21 May '05

Hi all As a suggestion, suggest asking Nandor Tanczos visit a few sites like http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html were the mplayer project foresees having to shut down if the EU adopts the software patent laws. By the way there is a petition to the EU at this page, mainly intended for within the EU but they do appreciate support from elsewhere in the world too. There is also a page explaining why software patents are a bad idea. http://lpf.ai.mit.edu/Patents/industry-at-risk.html and here http://swpat.ffii.org/ and here http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/intro/index.html At least when he gets to a meeting he will have some idea of the issues. As I work evenings I won't have a chance to attend the meeting. Oh well back to a day job in August :-) Regards David

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Panasonic KX-T1232 Installation manual
by Lindsay Druett 21 May '05

21 May '05

Hey Guys, Do any telephone techs on this list have a copy of the old Panasonic KX-T1232(10B) phone system installation manual that I could either borrow or at least get the cable pin-outs ? This is needed for shifting a phone system from one building to the another. Please reply to me directly (off list). (No, this is not intented to start a discussion thread with traditional phone technology vs. VoIP)

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 19 May '05

19 May '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic to be advised. NandorTanczos of the Green Party (http://www.greens.org.nz/) was scheduled to discuss his views on OpenSource software, but has postponed this until June. Where? http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Gate 1, Waikato University. When? 7pm

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Invitation from IBM -- the launch of IBM eServer OpenPower
by Warren Hughes 18 May '05

18 May '05

You are invited to the IBM Launch Event for IBM eServer OpenPower -- IBM's first server tuned specifically for Linux. As companies rely more on Linux for vital operations, demand is increasing for hardware platforms that are reliable, robust and cost-effective. IBM meets this need with the new eServer OpenPower. OpenPower has shattered performance records for entry-level systems, and offers a mainframe-inspired platform for Linux -- built on open industry standards, and offering breakthrough reliability, scalability and flexibility at entry-level prices. You can find additional information on OpenPower at http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/openpower/ Dates & Locations: Auckland: Tuesday 24th May; Robert Laidlaw Room 2, Heritage Business Centre, Wyndham St; 9:15 am registration for 9:30 am - 10:30 am Hamilton: Tuesday 24th May; Reception Lounge, Kingsgate Hotel 100 Garnett Ave, Te Rapa; 3:15 pm registration for 3:30 pm - 4:30 pm Wellington: Wednesday 25th May; Featherston Room, 1st floor InterContinental Hotel, Featherston St; 9:15 am registration for 9:30 am - 10:30 am Christchurch: Thursday 26th May; Ballroom 2, Holiday Inn, Cashel St; 9:15 am registration for 9:30 am - 10:30 am To register for this event: - call IBM on 0800 801 800 and ask for Event Registrations, or - email us at ibm(a)nz.ibm.com, telling us your name, company, contact telephone number and which event you will be attending I'm sure you will find this to be an informative and interesting event. I look forward to seeing you there. Regards, Warren Warren Hughes National Product Manager pSeries, OpenPower IBM New Zealand Limited IBM Centre, 82 Wyndham St, PO Box 6840, Auckland, New Zealand V: +64 9 3598716 M: +64 21 633324 F: +64 9 3598575 E: whughes(a)nz.ibm.com

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IBM OpenPower launch
by Craig Box 16 May '05

16 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May, IBM are in town launching their new OpenPower server range in NZ. >From the flyer: IBM OpenPower is the alternative to Intel for Linux users. IBM OpenPower is based on Power Processor technology derived from IBM's Enterprise Systems, and been optimized for Linux. In addition to that it has been priced to compete against the Intel platform. This is a winning platform for business. There is a closed business partner session and a customer session afterwards. If anyone is interested in attenting the customer session, let me know and I'll forward information. Craig

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lugradio
by David Nicholls 16 May '05

16 May '05

hi guys i thought you might enjoy this... http://www.lugradio.org/ those who have delicate stomachs... dont listen (theres a bit of bad language). :) it's a fortnightly uk show, a bit irreverent etc... interesting. cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant d.nicholls at waikato.ac.nz School of Science & Engineering / Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato Hamilton, New Zealand

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No Nandor at WLUG meeting on Monday
by Craig Box 16 May '05

16 May '05

Hi, After months of broken communication and Nandor not returning our emails, he's managed to _triple_ book this Monday and as such won't be presenting to the WLUG. We'll still have a meeting, but it will probably be a presentation by a local member. Thanks, Craig

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debian sarge
by stephen pearce 16 May '05

16 May '05

Would like to transition from Fedora core 3 to debian Has someone got the latest debian release on cd or preferably dvd that they could send me .. for costs of course (I think it is called sarge) Also any advice on installation .. does it support lvm .. can you install over an old fedora installation without reformating the disk? Thanks Stephen

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 May '05

15 May '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NandorTanczos of the Green Party (http://www.greens.org.nz/) is tentatively booked to discuss his views on OpenSource software. Where? http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Gate 1, Waikato University. When? 7pm

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Train spamassassin virtual domains.
by DrWho? 12 May '05

12 May '05

A question for all you script people. Has anyone come across a script that will read all users from the userprefs table then call sa-learn, with the user name and a constructed path to the spam / no spam. Basicly I have set up two IMAP folders, spam and no spam for use per user, which will hopefully be used to train spamassassin per user. All user options and Bayes are stored in MYSQL. I am using vpopmail to provide the "virtual domains" so the script has to be able to pull the user name apart so it can be re-assembled to form a path to the spam folders. i.e. User - x(a)y.z Path to spam folder - /home/vpopmail/domains/y.z/x/Spam/New Oddly enough I thought this would be something every man and his dog would do, but it seems not. Any ideas???

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Looking for ubuntu.sh
by Stephen 11 May '05

11 May '05

Hi Everyone, Any one have a link to the ubuntu.sh script used at the installfest ? TIA Stephen

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Linux hardware
by Bnonn 11 May '05

11 May '05

Hi everyone Just today my sturdy old Athlon 850's CPU fan decided to give up the ghost, and I decided that it was a sign that I need to get with the times. Because I have no need for anything particularly powerful, I'm going to be purchasing an AthlonXP 2400+, since they're dirt cheap. I'd like the list's advice on what sort of mainboard is best to pair this with; or, rather, what sort of mainboard I definitely shouldn't pair it with. I'm running Ubuntu, and I know its hardware support is pretty good, but any advice you can offer would be appreciated. Onboard graphics is prefered; onboard sound is neither here nor there. Regards Bnonn

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Ubuntu Hoary CDs
by Craig Box 11 May '05

11 May '05

Hi everyone, As promised, I have 100 Hoary CDs to dispense to everyone. I'd like to get rid of them in good public places; I'll make sure about half end up at the WAND group and have a counter display at the comp sci office if I can. Any suggestions on what to do with the rest, short of 'bring them to the upcoming WLUG meeting'? Any retailers want to pick up a handful and put them on their counters? Craig

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Thunderbird inbox
by Gun Caundle 11 May '05

11 May '05

On a notebook with XP, Thunderbird started taking a long time to load. The 'total' for the inbox in the bottom right corner showed '5863' but only the received mail (81 messages)showed in the right pane. The 'total' would then increase by 50 or so intermittently and is now up to '6124' Anyone able to shed some light on this occurrence? -- Cheers Gun

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Usability study
by Craig Box 11 May '05

11 May '05

Hi all, Kirsten has asked me to pass on this message on behalf of the University of Waikato Usability Laboratory. Anyone interested should contact her directly as per below. Craig Are you an Early Technology Adopter? ---------------------------------------- The Usability Laboratory is doing usability research for Telecom. We need study participants who: * Spend $40 or more per month on their mobile phone. * Use mobile data services. * Use the Internet. * Use or have one or more of: digital camera, games console, Game Boy, personal web page or a Broadband Internet connection. If you'd like to participate, please contact: Kirsten Thomson on 0800 USABILITY or email: kthomson(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz.

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 10 May '05

10 May '05

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RE: [wlug] High speed internet ADSL
by Craig Box 10 May '05

10 May '05

Ian McDonald wrote: > If the alarm is on the phone side of the filter why can't you use ADSL > elsewhere and why don't you need filters elsewhere? > > Unless by phone side you mean behind the filter instead of in the > phone socket of the filter which would then make sense. > > All that an ADSL filter is, is a cheap bandpass filter. In general alarms are wired directly into the telephone system, not to a plug which goes into a socket. If it was, then eveyrone would just unplug the socket, and the alarm couldn't dial out to say it had gone off. In a wires-to-a-wall situation, if there is a random wire cut, the alarm should go into "I have been tampered with" mode. Therefore you can't just drop an inline filter in as easily as you can in front of a telephone. You can do your own ADSL installs (http://jane.nevada.net.nz/realDSL.jpg) but unless you have good equipment, it's not advised. The internet would always drop out at the flat in the picture. :) Craig

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High speed internet ADSL
by Ron Dean 10 May '05

10 May '05

ADSL USB Modem (DSL-200) Ihug are offering 256k with a 4gig limit If you go over the limit it defaults to 64k Does anybody have experience with this modem with Ubuntu. Because I have a monitored home alarm and the phone line carries data their installation cost is $148 including modem and wiring installation this month only.

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RE: [wlug] Internet Banking using Ubuntu and Firefox
by Lindsay Druett 09 May '05

09 May '05

> On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 01:22:10PM +1200, Justin Hyde wrote: > > I contacted the bank this morning and received the reply below. > > Change banks, let them know why afterwards. > > James. Why ? At the end of the day, while it maybe frustrating that there are support issues with regards to doing Internet banking, I would rather be dealing with a bank that has a closed security policy and keeps my money safely tucked away. Security is their primary responsibility. As Matt said, a polite email to the bank explaining your problems, what you've encountered is a more appropriate action to take. Anyway, when you are more than likely to encounter the same problems with the next bank. Just bear in mind that they won't come up with an instant solution (unless they have already identified this problem) as they will spend time doing testing.

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AVG for Linux
by Shane Taylor 09 May '05

09 May '05

I know there was a thread about a month ago about Linux antivirus software, but I don't recall anyone mentioning AVG. Grisoft now have various versions of AVG 7.0 on offer for email servers & workstations. Has anyone tried any of the Linux versions yet?? http://www.grisoft.com/doc/Programs/lng/us/tpl/tpl01?prd=trisng Shane.

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RE: [wlug] Internet Banking using Ubuntu and Firefox
by Justin Hyde 09 May '05

09 May '05

yes, it should be https://www.ebank.hsbc.co.nz/ WINXP browser = Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050321 Firefox/1.0.2 Browser String from www.showmyip.com = Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050321 Firefox/1.0.2 Have to reboot to get Ubuntu version, post shortly -----Original Message----- From: mglb1-forwarding Sent: Mon 09/05/05 13:30 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Internet Banking using Ubuntu and Firefox On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 13:22 +1200, Justin Hyde wrote: > Hi > > After installing Ubuntu on the weekend at the install fest, I tried > accessing my internet banking service with HSBC. > > I got an error message saying that I should use IE or Netscape. I > contacted the bank this morning and received the reply below. > > Could someone using Ubuntu and Firefox check whether they can access > https://ebank.hsbc.co.nz to see if its just my computer or a general > problem. Assuming you meant https://www.ebank.hsbc.co.nz/ then yes, I too get an error message. > Could someone recommend a way of getting around the customer services > people at the bank and through to the IT guys? The only way I can think of is to ask the customer services people. I find email often works better than phone for these sort of problems. > As an aside, I could access this banking service using Firefox on my > WINXP setup. Now this is strange. What version or Firefox were you using under WinXP? They are most probably doing their browser detection using the UserAgent string that your browser supplies which I would have thought would have been fairly similar between Linux and Windows. Perhaps not... You could try going to http://www.showmyip.com/ in both Windows and Linux, and recording the Browser (UserAgent) string it reports, I'd be interested in seeing how they differ. Regards -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Installfest
by Judy & Lindsay 09 May '05

09 May '05

Hello list, I'm interested to know how the install-fest went on Saturday. I was scheduled to be in Auckland at a convention for the weekend but was stricken with some illness and was left behind. Still I was able to install Ubuntu Hoary on my box. Some news would be welcome. Linz

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RE: [wlug] Internet Banking using Ubuntu and Firefox
by Justin Hyde 09 May '05

09 May '05

Thanks for all your help. I have installed the user agent switch and all seems to be working sweetly. I will contact the bank and advise them accordingly. Problem #1 solved. (how many am I allowed per day ;-) ?) -----Original Message----- From: Greig McGill [mailto:greig(a)hamiltron.net] Sent: Mon 09/05/05 14:23 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Internet Banking using Ubuntu and Firefox James Clark wrote: > On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 02:12:22PM +1200, Daniel Lawson wrote: > >>Yeah. No shit. > > I'm sure this was absolutely necessary. Away put your weapons! Dan: Less grump. James: Less zealous. ;) Anyway, on topic... I see that this is very frustrating. I was explaining to Justin on Saturday that we spend a lot of time chasing online suppliers that our clients deal with in order to get them to support firefox. They usually respond helpfully. HSBC seem to be an exception. I would suggest that the useragent workaround will get you going right now, and in the meantime, if you find that their site works flawlessly with the switch, then email them, and let them know this. It may at least convince them to opening up trials of other browsers, once they realise there may not be anything to fix. Regards, Greig. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] Internet Banking using Ubuntu and Firefox
by Justin Hyde 09 May '05

09 May '05

Looks like Firefox number is slightly different Ubuntu = Firefox/1.0 WinNT = Firefox/1.0.2 Browser string from Ubuntu = Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050405 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2) -----Original Message----- From: Justin Hyde Sent: Mon 09/05/05 13:38 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: RE: [wlug] Internet Banking using Ubuntu and Firefox yes, it should be https://www.ebank.hsbc.co.nz/ WINXP browser = Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050321 Firefox/1.0.2 Browser String from www.showmyip.com = Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050321 Firefox/1.0.2 Have to reboot to get Ubuntu version, post shortly -----Original Message----- From: mglb1-forwarding Sent: Mon 09/05/05 13:30 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Internet Banking using Ubuntu and Firefox On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 13:22 +1200, Justin Hyde wrote: > Hi > > After installing Ubuntu on the weekend at the install fest, I tried > accessing my internet banking service with HSBC. > > I got an error message saying that I should use IE or Netscape. I > contacted the bank this morning and received the reply below. > > Could someone using Ubuntu and Firefox check whether they can access > https://ebank.hsbc.co.nz to see if its just my computer or a general > problem. Assuming you meant https://www.ebank.hsbc.co.nz/ then yes, I too get an error message. > Could someone recommend a way of getting around the customer services > people at the bank and through to the IT guys? The only way I can think of is to ask the customer services people. I find email often works better than phone for these sort of problems. > As an aside, I could access this banking service using Firefox on my > WINXP setup. Now this is strange. What version or Firefox were you using under WinXP? They are most probably doing their browser detection using the UserAgent string that your browser supplies which I would have thought would have been fairly similar between Linux and Windows. Perhaps not... You could try going to http://www.showmyip.com/ in both Windows and Linux, and recording the Browser (UserAgent) string it reports, I'd be interested in seeing how they differ. Regards -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Internet Banking using Ubuntu and Firefox
by Justin Hyde 09 May '05

09 May '05

Hi After installing Ubuntu on the weekend at the install fest, I tried accessing my internet banking service with HSBC. I got an error message saying that I should use IE or Netscape. I contacted the bank this morning and received the reply below. Could someone using Ubuntu and Firefox check whether they can access https://ebank.hsbc.co.nz to see if its just my computer or a general problem. Could someone recommend a way of getting around the customer services people at the bank and through to the IT guys? As an aside, I could access this banking service using Firefox on my WINXP setup. Cheers Justin Hyde Dear Andrew, RE: HSBC Internet Access We thank you for your email. Please be advised to access the HSBC Internet Banking you will need to use one of the following: Web Browser Version PC's Internet Explorer 5.5 and 6.0 Netscape Navigator 7.0 MAC's Internet Explorer 5.1.7 for Mac OS 8.1.9.x Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac OS X We apologise for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience. If you require further assistance please call our Direct Service Centre 24 hours a day, 7 days a week on 0800802380 (within New Zealand) or 09 3660366 (from overseas). Kind regards, Tatiana Mendoza Customer Service Consultant Direct Service Centre www.hsbc.co.nz --Original Message-- I have a new computer at home that has the Ubuntu version of linux as its operating system and Firefox as its web browser. When I tried accessing HSBC internet banking I was not allowed by HSBC to log on saying that I needed to Internet Explorer or Netscape Navigator. I believe that Friefox and Linux are widely accepted in the IT community, so I am puzzled as to why HSBC is not allowing access through these systems. I had to log into my old computer that has Windows XP so I could send this message from HSBC internet banking. Cheers

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Installfest roundup
by Craig Box 08 May '05

08 May '05

Hi everyone, Thanks to everyone who made the WLUG Installfest for 2005 a huge success. We had around 60 people attend, with about 40 maximum at any one time; slightly more than last year. Thanks to our sponsors: * CrawshawSchool, for the venue * DSE, for donating CDs, power cables and Cat5 patch cables * AlliedTelesyn, for the loan of network equipment * O'Reilly, for giveaway and new library books. Thanks also to all the committee members and helpers who gave a lot of time and energy into getting Linux going. Twelve people took advantage of our half price membership at the installfest offer and joined WLUG. We hope you're really pleased with Ubuntu as a distribution; I'm really pleased that we got it running perfectly on nearly all PCs, including two that were having serious problems with Mandrake and SUSE. [1] The network was really great. We had no major problems on the day, and we cached all the updates beforehand so that people didn't have to wait around. We did about 2gb of traffic, but about 80% of that came out of the cache, so we only actually downloaded 400mb of data (most of which will be the updates for the two AMD64 machines that we didn't have updates cached for). If anyone has any feedback (especially new people who are on the list now) please feel free to post it here. Photo galleries are linked from the http://www.wlug.org.nz/InstallFest.2005-05-07 page. Craig [1] To my knowledge, there were only two PCs that didn't leave with Ubuntu correctly set up on them. One was a very new tablet PC that couldn't boot off an external CD-ROM drive. We got the Ubuntu netinstaller and made it boot that, but the hard drive resizing facility in the installer didn't want to resize the hard drive. The other machine was a very old laptop that had a hardware fault of some sort.

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Modem Problem
by Ron Dean 08 May '05

08 May '05

Modem times out when connecting to ihug with Ubuntu but connects fine win98 below is the connection log --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.54.0 -> Initializing modem. -> Sending: ATZ -> Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 -> Modem initialized. -> Sending: ATM1L1DT087300777 -> Waiting for carrier.L1DT087300777 -> Timed out while dialing. Trying again. -> Sending: ATM1L1DT087300777 -> Waiting for carrier.CARRIERL1DT087300777 -> No Carrier! Trying again. -> Sending: ATM1L1DT087300777 -> Waiting for carrier.CARRIERL1DT087300777 -> No Carrier! Trying again. -> Maximum Attempts Exceeded..Aborting!! -> Disconnecting at Sat May 7 22:38:38 2005

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Hey ;)
by B M 05 May '05

05 May '05

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Sarge is frozen
by James Clark 04 May '05

04 May '05

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html Choice! James.

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got hardware/machines for sale?
by John R. McPherson 04 May '05

04 May '05

Hi everyone, we're considering setting a table or two aside at the installfest[1] this Saturday for the sale of machines and hardware. We'd like to have a couple of reasonable low-end/mid-range machines for sale that are suitable for a linux desktop in case anyone wants to buy a machine and get help with installation at the installfest. If you are interested in selling anything, please let me know (off-list!) so we have some idea of how much stuff we need to accommodate. Note that you'll have to be responsible for bringing it along, looking after it, and taking it away if it is unsold. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/InstallFest John McPherson

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Debian, Shorewall and dial-up
by Glenn Ramsey 02 May '05

02 May '05

Recently I changed the NAT/firewall setup scripts on my Debian box to Shorewall from ipmasp, because I couldn't figure out how to configure DNAT using ipmasq. There is problem with the Shorewall setup that I cannot find any references to, neither in the docs nor googling. This box does NAT/firewall for my small office LAN through a dial-up connection[1]. On boot as Shorewall tries to start I get messages saying: "modprobe: modprobe: can't locate module ppp0", until the script times out after 180s. After that, however it seems to work fine. The issue is that this extends the startup time by 3 minutes. I think this is because, following the "two interface setup" in the docs, I have set wait_interface="ppp0" in /etc/default/shorewall and this causes /usr/share/shorewall/wait4ifup to be executed. Since it's a dialup connection it can't find ppp0 at boot time, hence the problem. Removing the wait_interface causes the startup of Shorewall to fail. Seems like this would be a common issue and since I can't find any references to it this makes me think I have missed something fundamental in the setup. Apart from this issue the rest of the setup works fine. Ipmasq handles this situation by setting up LAN stuff at boot and then having a /etc/ppp/ip-up script to setup the external interface stuff. What is the right way to resolve this issue? The solution I'm after is the "standard, out of the box" one. This is because if I put in customised stuff I will inevitably forget about it and then wonder why it's broken next time I uprade something[2]. For now I have disabled shorewall at startup and added a script that contains only "/sbin/shorewall restart" to /etc/ppp/ip-up.d. This works but also involves customisation beyond what is described in the docs and is additional to the configuration provided by the package. Ie if I remove the shorewall package my script will not be deleted. I could just set the timeout in wait4ifup to be a smaller value, like 1sec, which would solve the problem but that seems like a hack that I shouldn't need, but it's more likely to be removed if I remove/purge the package. Glenn [1] in case you were wondering, DSL is not available where I live. [2] and it's frustrating enough dealing with the stuff that breaks all by itself when you upgrade something -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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InstallFest
by Ron Dean 02 May '05

02 May '05

Hi I registed for the installfest on the Wiki but have had nothing to confirm it. So I'm wondering if I registed correctly

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Programming in bwBasic - newbie Linz
by Lindsay 02 May '05

02 May '05

I have downloaded and installed BWBasic to tinker with some older basic programming code that I know. I cant get it to run in RUN but it starts in Terminal. However, with no GUI I tell tell what I'm doing. 1) Is there away to make this more visual i.e. like GWBasic, Quick Basic? 2) Where can I find some coding instructions? (I have googled without getting anything I thought was relevant) Thanks in advance

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Debian Administration
by James Clark 02 May '05

02 May '05

www.debian-adminstration.org Good stuff on this site, a lot of it will be fairly portable. Cheers, James.

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Sausage sizzle at installfest
by Craig Box 02 May '05

02 May '05

Hi, Anyone want to run a sausage sizzle/cold drink sale at the installfest? Short notice unfortunately, but if anyone has a school or another club that wants to fundraise they would be welcome to. Alternatively if anyone wants to run a sausage sizzle for the WLUG and doesn't mind bringing a BBQ, we'll buy the sausages/bread etc.. Craig

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PC Case with Tux logo.
by Oliver Jones 01 May '05

01 May '05

Hi Folks. Anyone interested in this case? It has a 360W PSU. $35 + $15 courier. Thought I'd offer it to WLUG members first as it has a Tux logo on the front. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Apr '05

30 Apr '05

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XML Schema Help
by Joseph Gibbs 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

Hi, I'm writing an XML schema for a uni assingment. I have this thing pretty much down, except for one thing. I'm referring to this document entitled "Global versus local" (http://www.xfront.com/GlobalVersusLocal.html) According to that document, and for my requirements, I can take two approaches to this. I can write things in a "Salami Slice Design" or a "Venetian Blind Design". Obviously a "which way should I design this" question comes down to how I'll be using my schema, it's purpose etc. From the URL above: "[1] The Venetian Blind design is the one to choose where your schemas require the flexibility to turn namespace exposure on or off with a simple switch, and where component reuse is important. [2] Where your task requires that you make available to instance document authors the option to use element substitution, then use the Salami Slice design." I'm not trying to ask "how do I do my assignment", my questions are: What is "namespace exposure", and why does it matter?, and, what is an "instance document" and "element substitution"? Thanks, Joseph.

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Dual Boot
by John Torrance 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Thanks for the info. I had no desire to start a distro war. I do have another question though. The last time I tried to load a dual boot system with Fedora and Windows XP with Grub, I completely stuffed up my boot sector and could not access windows. I found out later that it was recoverable but I buggered it up so badly, I had to "format C" and start again. This only seems to happen with the NTFS file system windows and not using the older system which I used successfully on my other computer. I am keen to load Ubuntu but am terrified of stuffing up my windows partition. Has anyone successfully loaded a dual bootup system with Ubuntu and Windows XP (NTFS)? Cheers John

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default distro
by John Torrance 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Hi I see that you are using Ubuntu v5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) as your official distro for the install fest. What advantages does if have over the latest Fedora? As a newbie, I have some experience with Red Hat and Fedora but have never used Debian which I believe is the basis of Ubuntu. Cheers John

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Resetting the preferrred browser in KDE/Debian
by Glenn Ramsey 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

I am running Debian/Testing with KDE and I mostly use firefox for web browsing. Somehow (ok, really because I fiddled with the config) it has become the default browser and I can't figure out how to change it back. This is annoying because In KDE you can choose "run command" from the start menu and enter "#commandname" to get a nicely formatted man page. On my system only konqueror understands this but currently it tries to start firefox which reports that it doesn't understand the man: protocol. update-alternatives says this: pixie:~# update-alternatives --display x-www-browser x-www-browser - status is auto. link currently points to /usr/bin/konqueror /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox - priority 70 slave x-www-browser.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/mozilla-firefox.1.gz /usr/bin/mozilla - priority 80 slave x-www-browser.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/mozilla.1.gz /usr/bin/konqueror - priority 100 Current `best' version is /usr/bin/konqueror. pixie:~# update-alternatives --list x-www-browser /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox /usr/bin/mozilla /usr/bin/konqueror pixie:/etc/alternatives# ls -l x-www-browser lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Apr 27 11:09 x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/konqueror Does anyone know where/how to reset this? Alternatively is there an easy way to just reset KDE to all have everything back to the default? Would it be unwise to delete or rename my .kde directory and have it recreate it? Glenn -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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making a bootable CD
by John Torrance 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Sorry, I hope that this is not a stupid question. I have downloaded the Ubuntu Iso - I have tried to burn a bootable disk with gnome toaster - I only seem to be able to make disks with the iso file on it. I tried dragging and dropping the file then right clicking and asking for a bootable ISO image but still got another fine .ISO coaster. Clearly my windows programs won't read these - how do I make a loadable disk from the ISO with gnome toaster? Thanks for the all the advice Cheers

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logger
by James Clark 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

This isn't new to me, but maybe someone might think "hey that's just what I wanted", since it's a slow day on yon list. If your running an application and want to capture the output to a system log file, you can use logger. Instead of explain it in too much depth, try the below while tail -f'ing /var/log/daemon.log. echo test | logger -p daemon.info -t \[test\] You'll now have an idea of what it does and why you might like to use it, of course you can do more so you can always rtfm @ `man logger`. Cheers, James.

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/etc
by Bnonn 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

A random question. Does /etc stand for Et Cetera? I can't really see why it would, but then I can't think of anything else it would stand for. Et Cetera means literally "and so forth", so I'd expect a folder called /etc to contain miscellaneous files rather than configuration data. Anyone know? Bnonn

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RE: [wlug] Ubuntu Live cd
by David Nicholls 25 Apr '05

25 Apr '05

Ron Dean wrote: Has anybody got a copy of x86 iso of the live cd. I have used Mandrake 10 for some time but would like to try this. ----------------- If you need one now, I can supply it. Cheers... david

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Ubuntu Live cd
by Ron Dean 25 Apr '05

25 Apr '05

Has anybody got a copy of x86 iso of the live cd. I have used Mandrake 10 for some time but would like to try this.

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Official announcement of 2005 Installfest
by Craig Box 24 Apr '05

24 Apr '05

Hi everyone, The Waikato Linux Users Group are proud to announce their second annual Linux installfest, to be held at the Crawshaw School Hall on Crawshaw Drive, Hamilton, from 10am on Saturday 7th May. Registration for the installfest is now open on the WLUG website at http://www.wlug.org.nz/InstallFest. There is no charge to attend. "Our last installfest was a great success and an educational experience for the WLUG, as well as the participants" says group president Greig McGill. "We look forward to applying lessons learned last year, and making this one as good as it can be." Over 50 people attended the 2004 event, and this year WLUG intend to streamline the installations in order to run more training. For people who are interested in Free Software, but not yet ready to take the leap into running Linux, the WLUG will also have demonstrations of free software for Microsoft Windows, such as the tremendously popular Firefox web browser and OpenOffice.org office software. How you can help ---------------- If you are interested in helping with the installfest organization, check out the http://www.wlug.org.nz/InstallFestToDo page, and email me if there is anything there you'd like to have a go at. If you want to sign up to either attend or help on the day, please register on the registration page. (The page will be updated later tonight; if you go earlier, please make it clear if you're a helper or a new installation). Thanks Craig

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6to4 site examples wanted
by Steven Lisson 24 Apr '05

24 Apr '05

Hi, I have been having some difficulty accessing the www.wlug.org.nz site via IPv6 from my network, all machines apart from the gateway do not use a 6to4 addressing (e.g. 2001:db0:10f7:1::1), as soon as a trace leaves the 2001:: range the trace fails (no matter if it leaves IPv6 via the 6to4 interface on the gateway or elsewhere on the IPv6 internet), however, the gateway that has a 6to4 address on it can ping, trace and view the website without difficulty. To assist with further troubleshooting further from my end could someone please provide me with some other sites that use 6to4 addresses so I can troubleshoot further, I was going through a list of IPv6 websites that I know of but only 1 site I tested out of about 70 on the list used a 2002:: address and it was offline in both the ipv4 and 6 internet. Sorry to be a hassle but would like to get to the cause of the issue and be able to rectify it as it is pretty much the only site I regularly visit via IPv6 that I have problems with. Regards, Steve

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Joining split avi files.
by Oliver Jones 23 Apr '05

23 Apr '05

Howdy folks. Linux to the rescue yet again. I needed to join some avi files together, end on end. I did a Google and found lots of shareware/download-ware utilities for Windows for doing the job. All wanted money. Of course I thought, "This is dumb. There has to be a Linux command-line tool for this." One of the Google results mentioned avicat on Linux. Part of Mplayer's transcode suite. I knew I had transcode installed but avicat didn't exist. So I went, "$ avi<tab><tab>" and lo and behold the command avimerge appeared and looked promising. After a quite man read it became clear that this was exactly what I wanted and I set about "fixing" my avi files. Hurrah! Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Microsoft announces support for Linux!
by Ian McDonald 21 Apr '05

21 Apr '05

Looks like Microsoft has realised Linux has gained real support. This is showing that Linux IS gaining real traction if Microsoft support. http://news.com.com/Microsofts+Ballmer+grins+and+bears+Linux--a+little/2100… Please remember - be professional in your replies. WLUG is not about maligning any software company - we are about supporting Linux and this has to be good news. Regards, Ian

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web hosting
by stephen pearce 21 Apr '05

21 Apr '05

Our web host will soon be shutting down ... the choise of alternatives is overwhelming .. has anyone got any thoughts on best price performance options locally? Thanks Stephen

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No meeting this Monday
by Craig Box 20 Apr '05

20 Apr '05

Hi everyone, Due to Monday being Anzac day and the installfest coming up soon after, we have decided to roll the planned upcoming meeting on Monday 25 April into the Installfest which is happening on Saturday 7th June. Please accept our apologies for the late decision, but rest assured that big plans are underway for the installfest and we look forward to seeing you all there! Craig (on behalf of the WLUG Committee)

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Committee and installfest update
by Craig Box 20 Apr '05

20 Apr '05

Hi everyone, Another month, another committee meeting. Please see http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2005-04-20 for the minutes. I hope that due to the lack of input from the members this means we're doing everything right and you're all very happy! :) An update on the installfest planning. We are on track and you're welcome to check out whats happening at the http://www.wlug.org.nz/InstallFestToDo page. Any offers of help are always welcome! What we would love you to do is print copies of the poster from http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/installfest/installfest-poster-2005.pdf, and put them up anywhere you can think of that people might be interested. Thanks, Craig

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Intro and ISPs
by Ian Swainson 20 Apr '05

20 Apr '05

Mornin All, Just arrived in NZ from (not so) sunny Ireland, recently joined your esteemed mailing list, looking forward to catching up with some of you in person at the next installfest. Please be gentle with me... As I've just arrived, I'm looking for a nice Linux-friendly ISP to give my hard-earned cash to - any recommendations would be gratefully received. Google is usually my friend, but NZ certainly has a lot more choice than Ireland. In Ireland many of the ISPs are free, and make their money from the phone-calls. They all seem to need registration here - is that the case? In relation to above, does anyone know if this USB Modem will play with Linux nicely? http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/42656b330da56e082740c0a87f99070… ...I note that it has a Conexant chipset, which reeks of WinModem nastiness. I need the modem for a lappy, so can't go the internal route. Feedback delightfully received. I have had some success with WinModems on Linux, the drivers certainly have come a long way. Not sure about this one tho. Anyhoo, let the flaming begin (although surely ye can't be as bad as the ILUG...:) ) Cheers, ian -- "Turn off the lights and I'll glow." -Implausible Claims Made by Vanilla Ice in "Ice Ice Baby." http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/lists/26DougErickson.html

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Command line util of the day.
by Oliver Jones 19 Apr '05

19 Apr '05

To continue the trend set by James Clark... Here is my choice for useful command-line tool of the day. fold Fold is a simple little command line util that lets you fold lines of text at a particular width. Eg if you have some long lines of text, say out of some HTML or other document format that only maintains paragraph breaks, that you want to show on a console screen you can do this: fold -s -w 70 long-lines.txt |less This command will fold the text from long-lines.txt at 70 characters (or the nearest preceding space). If you leave off -s the lines will get cut in the middle of words. Most consoles are 80 columns wide and fold defaults to a width (-w) of 80 columns. This can also be useful in scripts where you need to display a paragraph of text with interpolated variables which you don't know the width of beforehand. Eg: echo -n "Enter some text: " read var para="You said, '$var'. That's really interesting. But \ do you know the answer to the ultimate question of life, \ the universe, and everything?"; echo $para | fold -s -w 78 - Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A WLUG meeting is booked for this date. No topic has been set. If you're seeing this message, feel free to suggest or offer to present a meeting topic - the MeetingTopics page might be a good place to start.

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WANTED: Cisco admin in Taupo
by Andrew Thrift 14 Apr '05

14 Apr '05

Hi All, We have a new site in Taupo that is connected to TelstraClear Private IP via a Cisco 805 Router on frame relay. As I am going on holiday tomorrow I am unable to go onsite and figure out why the connection is not coming up when the router is as far as I can remember configured properly. Is anyone on this list in Taupo and able to check it out for me, and if so reply off list with your hourly rate. Regards, Andrew Thrift National IT Manager Turbo Investments Group.

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DHBs to test open source alternative to Windows and Office
by Bnonn 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

<http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/39A5FAC6A45E8FB2CC256FDA00319B5C?O…> --- DHBs to test open source alternative to Windows and Office Boards band together to reduce their software licensing costs Stephen Bell, Wellington New Zealand's District Health Boards plan a trial of open source desktop software in an effort to reduce the licensing fees they pay to Microsoft — more than $20 million over three years, according to one estimate. Microsoft licences are a major element of DHBs’ software costs, says Phil Brimacombe, CIO of Waitemata and Counties Manukau DHBs and healthAlliance, the shared services organisation owned by the two boards. While there are some “power users” likely to need the full capabilities of Microsoft Office and related applications, users with less elaborate IT demands may be able to use OpenOffice.org and other open source software at much-reduced cost, Brimacombe says. At a quarterly meeting of DHB CIOs in February, a joint three-part plan to reduce software costs was adopted. First, the DHBs will pilot an open source desktop environment, being put together by Steve Rayner, CIO of Wanganui DHB, to assess how many users it will serve adequately. Rayner plans to support two categories of user: "power users" with Microsoft desktop software, and "regular clinical users" with Novell Enterprise Desktop, OpenOffice.org and GroupWise running on Suse Linux. The pilot will seek to establish how many users there are with basic needs and whether it is possible to meet them with an entirely non-Microsoft environment, Brimacombe says. “The majority of users don’t use Access databases, for example; they wouldn’t use PowerPoint; they’re not advanced users of Excel and they probably only use about 20% of the functions of Word. They may manage quite well with OpenOffice.” There are also open source options for clinical database access clients, “but we don’t know how practical those are”, he says. Brimacombe expects one of the knotty problems will be DHBs’ extensive use of Outlook and Exchange. They will have to find some practical email alternative, he says. Another initiative is to approach suppliers of health software to see if they are willing to develop open source versions of their applications. At least one major provider of clinical systems, Orion, has told the board that it is looking seriously at supporting the open source Mozilla Firefox browser with its its clinical portal, Concerto, as an alternative to Internet Explorer, Brimacombe says. Laboratory software developer Sysmex has also indicated a willingness to explore open source solutions, he says. The third part of the DHBs' plan is to push for stronger representation on the public sector committee negotiating the details of G2006, the next iteration of the New Zealand Government’s bulk licensing agreement with Microsoft. Steve Mayo-Smith, CIO of Auckland DHB, will be the DHB CIO representative on the public sector negotiation group. He says DHBs will collectively have spent over $20 million on Microsoft licences during the three year of the previous agreement, G2003. “In particular the DHBs with a large user population end up with little choice within the G2003 agreement, and feel captured by the structure of that agreement into paying the highest charges, often for products that are not widely needed,” Mayo-Smith says. “The potential cost efficiencies of open source are also attractive to smaller DHBs who do not have the resources of the larger DHBs.” “We’re not expecting any stunning short-term breakthrough,” says Brimacombe, but the joint initiative, alongside individual DHB plans in the open source direction, could go some way to reducing Microsoft expenditure, “which is a big number for the taxpayer”. The push to reduce licensing costs has been building for many months, Brimacombe says; one catalyst came in mid-2004, when Dr Ross Boswell, clinical director of information systems for Counties Manukau and an open source enthusiast, addressed the quarterly CIO meeting. Discussion since then has built up to the point of a formal agreement among the boards. ---

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business

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Upgrading from RHEL 2.1 to RHEL 3.0
by Oliver Jones 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

Has anyone upgraded a RHEL 2.1 system to RHEL3 via up2date before? If so any pot holes I should be watchful for? I'm just getting a little sick of how out of date this RHEL2.1 box I administer is. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: Linux antivirus
by David 11 Apr '05

11 Apr '05

Hi Forgot the URL for the site. Had a bit of trouble finding the Linux section myself. So for those of you prepared to risk a trip to an unknown URL. :-) http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_for_linux.html David

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Time for a new PC to run Linux on?
by Craig Box 11 Apr '05

11 Apr '05

Hi everyone, We're looking at sourcing some second hand (ex lease) PCs to sell at the installfest. While what we have on the day depends on what the supplier has in stock, current prices put a Pentium 3 733 machine with 256mb RAM and 10GB of HDD (plus CD-ROM/sound/network etc) at around $250. We will of course look forward to taking these machines and helping you set Linux up on them. I would like to get an indication of how many people might be interested in taking up an offer like this, so we have an idea of how many PCs to have on hand during the day. Regards, Craig

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Linux antivirus
by David 11 Apr '05

11 Apr '05

Hi A mention of antivirus on Linux reminded me to take another look at the Avast web site. They had a beta version a year or two ago. It seems to have made the product line up. I haven't used the Linux version yet, but the Windows version works well, and is available free for home use. You have to register but they don't spam you! I have used it for a few years and put other people on to it. You can also try there beta programs and report back on them. Regards David

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ftp on wlug server
by John R. McPherson 10 Apr '05

10 Apr '05

Does anybody on this list use ftp to hoiho (the wlug server)? If not, we will probably disable the ftp server. John

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Patents
by Lindsay 10 Apr '05

10 Apr '05

Patents The only way to fight back against these software patent advocates is to think up idea's, get together with friends and supporters and patent all your idea's. That way, when these multinational rat-bags go to patent an idea - you've already done it. Its cheaper to patent things than it is to object to the patents. So why not. Get a good patent lawyer and hoe into it. Linz

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Ubuntu Warty CDs spare - linz
by Lindsay 10 Apr '05

10 Apr '05

I still have a couple of couples of Warty Ubuntu if anyone would like these. Reply and supply postal address. Linz

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PCI Hardware Database
by Perry Lorier 10 Apr '05

10 Apr '05

In preparation for the WLUG Installfest, I've written up a quick hack to help people identify hardware, what drivers they need, where they can get those drivers and any quirks that the hardware may have (eg, defaulting to the internal connector rather than the external one, needing firmware to be flash upgraded before use, limitations of the device that may not be apparent initially etc). For example: http://www.wlug.org.nz/~perry/pci/?id=0200:10ec:8139:10ec:8139 What I'd really like is for people on this list to run a small shell script that looks at the hardware in their machine, and produces links to the hardware database. After following those links you'll be presented with a web page with the information known about that device, and the ability to leave some notes about that piece of hardware. This is especially important for people with winmodems as being able to quickly detect and find drivers for winmodems at the Installfest is critical for a stress free day. I'd like people to download the shell script at http://www.wlug.org.nz/~perry/pci/pci.sh and run it, check your hardware and make sure it's known about in hardware database, and write down any notes that you may have about it (especially things like if you had to download 3rd party drivers from somewhere, or minimum required kernel versions). This script requires a 2.6 kernel, and for /sys to be mounted (this should be true of any recently release distribution) If you can't get the piece of hardware working under Linux please leave a note to that effect so we can research it before the Installfest so we can have an answer to your problems ready so we can spend the rest of the day making your machine shine :) If any hardware is not detected by the database please email me the information about your hardware with: ( lspci -v ; sort -u /lib/modules/*/modules.pcimap ) | mail perry(a)coders.net -s "PCI database" The script is a bit raw (ok, a lot raw) at the moment, I plan on tidying it up a lot, but I'm also keen on getting information about various bits of hardware as soon as possible so we can start researching it in preparation for the Installfest. If you have suggestions, comments or even mild thoughts please email me (perry(a)coders.net) with them and I'll try and incorporate them into the programs before the Installfest.

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RE: [wlug] Top posting
by David Nicholls 09 Apr '05

09 Apr '05

From: Bnonn [mailto:bnonn(a)orcon.net.nz] Sent: Friday, 8 April 2005 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [wlug] Top posting For what it's worth, I agree, but you will find that the acceptable use policy of the list has been updated to include no html email, and no top posting, so there you have it :) Help help! I'm being repressed! ------------ Interestingly enough, I was just doing some goooooooooooooooooogle research (cheers greig!), and came across a reasonably old netiqette article which seemed to indicate that both top *and* bottom posting were acceptable so long as it was clear what you were quoting and you - as someone else put it - didn't quote an entire email (just enough to get the idea/topic). And of course interspersed is fine too. Most of the stuff ive found seems to indicate this, even an RFC written by intel in '94. Mostly it seems to by left to the preference of the user and community you are communicating with. Cheers... david

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RE: [wlug] Top posting
by David Nicholls 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

From: David Nicholls Sent: Friday, 8 April 2005 4:05 pm Subject: RE: [wlug] Top posting Interestingly enough, I was just doing some goooooooooooooooooogle research (cheers greig!), and came across a reasonably old netiqette article which seemed to indicate that both top *and* bottom posting were acceptable so long as it was clear what you were quoting and you - as someone else put it - didn't quote an entire email (just enough to get the idea/topic). And of course interspersed is fine too. Most of the stuff ive found seems to indicate this, even an RFC written by intel in '94. Mostly it seems to by left to the preference of the user and community you are communicating with. Cheers... David ----------------- Oh I forgot to include this: An inforative & humourous guide to writing on the internet (posting to email lists/usenet) entitled how to write - rude words are included. http://www.digiserve.com/eescape/closet/silly/Write-Like-A-Wanker.html Cheers... david

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Stephen Pearce
by Oliver Jones 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

Could Stephen Pearce please contact me ASAP. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Creating PDFs - was Significant Press Release
by Graham 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

> ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:42:50 +1200 > From: Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [wlug] A significant Press Release > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <1112769770.10434.24.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > >> This is a department dependent issue. In CS as many staff and >> students use >> a selection of Linux, Windows and MacOS X so most staff encourage >> students >> to submit in .pdf, .html or plain text. If staff in a given department >> only have access to a windows PC and students are only provided a >> windows >> lab, then the school may well require submissions in an Office format. > > > > Then install PDF Creator (http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/) > on those machines. It's a Open Source and very useful PDF generator > (acts as a Windows Printer). It is basically a thin-ish wrapper around > Ghostscript. > > >>> These are pet peeves of mine, as my missus can't drop IE/Windows >>> completely since she still needs them to do University work. >> > > > Regards > -- > Oliver Jones Â» Roving Code Warrior > oliver(a)deeperdesign.com Â» +64 (21) 41 2238 Â» www.deeperdesign.com A simple solution is to install OpenOffice.org. Then she can export to PDF or save in .doc for those that are still clinging to the sinking ship. My lecturers insist that assignments be presented in Word format. They may have some idea that it is all produced in OOo... Oh yes, they do, because I told them. ;) OpenOffice.org 2.0 will be out in a month or so or you can download the Beta from http://download.openoffice.org/2.0beta/index.html Cheers Yo Statement of Interest: There is some truth in the rumour that I am the New Zealand Marketing Contact for OpenOffice.org And yes I hope OpenOffice.org will be welcome at the installfest even if this writer runs his OOo 1.9.87 on SuSE 9.2 ;) (Though in my defense I will add that I have 1.1.2 running on a Warty Warthog box)

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RE: [wlug] Official announcement of 2005 Installfest
by David Nicholls 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Hey, has anyone thought of inviting DSE to this? I was thinking cheap linux boxes, demosystems, and those cheap/free cds they do with oss software on them (great for those unsure about "switching") ;) Cheers... david -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2005 2:51 pm Subject: [wlug] Official announcement of 2005 Installfest Hi everyone, The Waikato Linux Users Group are proud to announce their second annual Linux installfest, to be held at the Crawshaw School Hall on Crawshaw Drive, Hamilton, from 10am on Saturday 7th May.

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Real world requirements
by James Clark 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

>>User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) >> >>I'm guess this has something to do with a draconian employer? >> >>James. > >No, it has to do with the real world requirements of my job. > >G. Such as? I'm actually interested by this. The last three years of my working career I've used primarily Linux. For a while (at my previous job) I had to KVM to a windows box periodically to use OutLook and some legacy customer management software. Now it's only Linux. Cheers, James.

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Installfest poster available
by Craig Box 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

If you'd like a printable installfest poster that you can put up around the place, check this out; thanks to Phil Murray: http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/installfest/installfest-poster-2005.pdf Craig

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FW: [usg_list] Firefox JavaScript Engine Flaw Flagged
by Jodi Thomson 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

FYI ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." > should keep an eye on this one if your using or supporting > Firefox/Mozilla.... > > from: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1782332,00.asp > > A moderately critical security flaw in the Mozilla > Foundation's Firefox Web browser could put users at risk of > information disclosure attacks, according to an advisory from > security research outfit Secunia. > > The vulnerability has been confirmed in Firefox 1.0.1 and > 1.0.2, the two latest browser releases from the open-source > foundation. It also affects the Mozilla suite, Secunia warned. > > Secunia has released an online test to allow Firefox and > Mozilla users to determine if they are affected by the bug. > > As a temporary workaround, Secunia suggests that JavaScript > support be disabled. >

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Patent grabbing could harm the Internet
by David 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

Just a little article I came across in the Bangkok Post I.T. Database today. The article can be found at http://www.bangkokpost.com/Database/06Apr2005_datacol57.php Wanda Sloan (Sloan Ranger) has also done a review on Netscape 8 in late beta stage which has an IE rendering engine for sites that don't render properly in the Mozilla engine, which can be found here. http://www.bangkokpost.com/Database/06Apr2005_datacol59.php Regards David Bowen COMPUTER CURRENTS Patent grabbing could harm the Internet The US Patent Office seems to be granting patents for just about anything these days James Hein It was discovered recently by the Public Patent Foundation (Pubpat) that Microsoft had filed a patent application for something very similar to IPv6, which is to be the next generation of the Internet Protocol. This kind of patent grabbing can only damage the Internet as a whole. Over the past few years some companies have been trying to get as many patents as they could registered by the US Patent Office, which seems to have been going through a period where they granted everything. They probably won't ever assert the patent, especially since they forgot to mention any of the work done by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) on the process, but like SCO's efforts it could keep a few companies in line who might be worried about Microsoft ever trying to. Pubpat at http://www.pubpat.org is a group that works to protect the public from damage caused by poor implementation of the patent system. Patent number 6101499, "Method and computer program product for automatically generating an Internet Protocol (IP) address," was issued to Microsoft in 2000. By granting these types of patents the Patent Office is essentially supporting the monopolistic nature of a company like Microsoft and at the same time reducing the chances that the next generation of standards will be good ones. In this case the MS employees listed as the inventors were on the IPv6 committee of the IETF, the real inventors of the system. Ironically, in other recent news Microsoft has demanded reform of the US patent system to improve patent quality.

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A significant Press Release
by wayne.luxton 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

Something just released - it will be interesting to see what the press does. www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/PR8077.html Wayne

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Deleting a page on Wiki
by Ian McDonald 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

Hi there, How do we delete pages on the Wiki or do only certain people possess this power to stop most plebs trashing our site? I was just looking at tidying up bits and pieces and can't find this info. I did RTFM and did look at the FAQ: http://www.wlug.org.nz/WikiFaq and found nothing (I will edit FAQ after I get an answer). Ian

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RE: [wlug] Mailing list etiquette (was Re: Sudo)
by Gund Wehsling 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

I will be removing my self from this mailing list today. The amount of junk has now exceeded the amount of value. Regards Gund ________________________________ From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] Sent: Tue 5/04/2005 11:58 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] Mailing list etiquette (was Re: Sudo) >>Also, many people read mailing lists in digest form. HTML (and other >>formats) tend to break in digest mode. > > > I hope you won't take offense, but this seems like the only good reason > to me. Surely, in the year 2005, when the HTML 4 spec has been around > for eight years and has been commonly used to style emails for not much > less time than that, it is reasonable to assume that any mail reader can > parse it? No, it's not reasonable at all. Especially not for a mailing list which will have a high rate of people using command line only mail clients, or perhaps self-written mail clients. And people using telnet to read mail. It will happen, if only because it's *this* group of people. > From a purist point of view, I agree that emails should be in plain > text. The reason I style them is because I like them to look pretty for So do it? > less computer-savvy types who I regularly email, who don't know how to > style things on their end. Additionally, there are some things that > plain text simply won't do, and which I do occasionally use (lists being > one). I can do lists very easily in plain text: * This is an example of a list * This is a second entry in a list, which has a longer line which I format approrpriately. * And here we have a third entry in a list * Look, I can do sublists too! > I'm not meaning to stir or be a pest; I just don't understand why any > mail client in use today would not support HTML; or why people would > turn it off? Surely, unless you're using OE, security isn't a problem. > People seem to manage browsing the web without issues, and that's a far > less controlled and predictable environment than email. Just because *you* use a mail client that supports HTML emails, does not mean every one *else* does. As I've said, this is mitigated by configuring your client to send an HTML block and a plain text block, however your client was not originally configured to do this, which is *probably* what prompted the "fix your client" thing anyway. > So, as I asked before with my sudo question, what am I missing? Are > people just pig-headed snobs who like to feel wronged and stand out as > martyrs for the Old School? HTML emails are horrible, plain and simple. All it takes is getting mail from someone using Incredimail for you to see the truth in this statement. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] SMB question
by Michael Honeyfield 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

> > Have you considered using pscp from > > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ > > I have found the putty suite to be very useful under windows and doing > > an scp transfer should get around any possible issues with samba and > > at least narrow down the possible cause of the problem if it still > > fails. > > On a side note, pscp is god awful slow - feels like half the speed of Linux > scp, and of course these are both slower than smb due to the encryption > overhead. Useful, sure, but very slow. WinSCP is no better as it uses > PuTTY's encryption code. > Still FTP (vsftpd is nice) is an option and one I use on my samba server for big transfers... dunno why, but samba is slow to transfer anything over 1GB is a single file or a collection of smaller files. Mike

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SMB question
by Raymond Burgess 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

I am running a machine with RH 7.1, samba-2.0.10 I moving some large files from a Windows XP machine to the large amount of diskspace that is available ont he Linux machine. Files that are larger than 4GB fail to copy. Once the progress reaches 4GB windows prompts you if you wish to overright the exisiting file. I am already planning on installing a newer release on the linux box, probably Fedora Code 3 (or 4, as It will probably be out by the time I get around to it). I would like to know if any of you have successfully copied files larger than 4GB from a Windows machine to a recent build on samba. I'm not sure if it's Samba, Windows XP or the SMB protocol that is limited at 4GB. I realy don't care either, but I would like to know if this will work, it might motivate me to upgrade a little faster ;-) Anyone with FC3 able to confirm that this has worked. Raymond

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Parliamentary Questions
by Greig McGill 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

Hi all, After Rodney Hide spoke to us last year, he suggested that our most effective tool for advocacy would be to formulate a list of parliamentary questions. A good explanation of the usefulness of these can be found here: http://www.act.org.nz/question.jsp Mr. Hide has offered to put our questions forward, but at the moment they are a tad incoherent. Could we have some keen volunteers to edit http://www.wlug.org.nz/ParliamentaryQuestions? Be brutal. Don't worry about retaining comments - they are retained in the wiki's revision history. I'd really like to submit these in "ready to ask" form to Mr. Hide by the end of this month. Please note: The WLUG has no political affiliation with ACT or any other political party, but we know a useful tool when we see one. :) Please don't submit these questions yourself, as we would like them to all be submitted together from a single point of contact to maximise their efficiency. Thanks, Greig McGill El Presidente.

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Sudo
by Bnonn 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

Hi everyone. I'm wondering if someone can explain the rationale behind sudo. Ubuntu uses sudo by default, rather than having normal root access, although you can use root access if you wish. This is supposedly done with security in mind, but I don't see how it makes things more secure. It seems to me that allowing a user to execute commands which require root privileges, without having the root password, is really dangerous. For example, logged in as bnonn I can execute: $ sudo passwd root And change the root password. This doesn't seem secure to me! What am I missing? Regards Bnonn

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Re: [wlug] SMB question
by Michael Honeyfield 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

> I am running a machine with RH 7.1, samba-2.0.10 > > I moving some large files from a Windows XP machine to the large amount > of diskspace that is available ont he Linux machine. > > Files that are larger than 4GB fail to copy. Once the progress reaches > 4GB windows prompts you if you wish to overright the exisiting file. > > I am already planning on installing a newer release on the linux box, > probably Fedora Code 3 (or 4, as It will probably be out by the time I > get around to it). > > I would like to know if any of you have successfully copied files larger > than 4GB from a Windows machine to a recent build on samba. I'm not > sure if it's Samba, Windows XP or the SMB protocol that is limited at > 4GB. I realy don't care either, but I would like to know if this will > work, it might motivate me to upgrade a little faster ;-) > > Anyone with FC3 able to confirm that this has worked. > Possible some sort of file size limit.. not sure. Is it possible to setup a ftp server and copy them off? Mike

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RE: [wlug] Mailing list etiquette (was Re: Sudo)
by David Hallett 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

At 15:27 5/04/2005, you wrote: >I will be removing my self from this mailing list today. >The amount of junk has now exceeded the amount of value. > >Regards, Gund Hi Gund, I don't appreciate receiving this kind of junk from mailing lists. Please stop sending it to this list. Thanks, David

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Mailing list etiquette (was Re: Sudo)
by Daniel Lawson 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

> > >I'm happy to alter my mailer to observe the netiquette you speak of. I'm >afraid I wasn't aware of it. What is the reason behind it, may I ask? > > What is the reason behind not posting an HTML only email to a mailing list? It's often extended to "Don't post in HTML at all", for a variety of reasons, some of which might be weighted more highly in this case due to the nature of this particular list. When you post in HTML or RTF, or to spell it out clearly, in anything that isn't plain ASCII or ISO-8859, you make it significantly harder for people whose mailers don't understand the format you use to read your email. While you can feel free to inconvenience your friends as much as you like, you should not assume that everyone on a mailinglist will have the ability to read whatever non-basic format you post in. Now, you might argue that "all modern email clients support HTML, so why can't I use it?". Quite simply, not everyone runs an email client that supports HTML. Or they've disabled it. I'd also suggest that on a LUG mailing list especially, the proportion of users with email clients that will not parse HTML is considerably higher than on your typical mailing list. If someone does have a client that doesn't have HTML read support, or if they have disabled it, they end up having to read the raw HTML to read your post. Yes, I can parse HTML. No, I don't want to unless I'm developing a webpage. I'll skip an HTML only email sooner than read it, especially with the cluttered HTML most email clients generate. This is mitigated somewhat by sending HTML and plain blocks, but you don't really gain much from HTML emails. Also, many people read mailing lists in digest form. HTML (and other formats) tend to break in digest mode. Basically, when posting to a mailing list, you're taking part in a community of peers. By sending HTML only emails, you're doing something equivalent to interrupting people's conversations in loud Swahili. I have to say here that I use thunderbird, which seems to like sending in HTML and plain by default, and will reply to HTML in HTML and plain by default. This isn't my preferred choice! > > >> Daniel Lawson wrote: >> > > >>>> As humourous as this thread is, HTML mails generally are discouraged >>>> to mailing lists, as a form of netiquette. If you send both HTML and >>>> plain text, then at least a sensible reader will only show plain text >>>> in appropriate circumstances, however it's still not preferred. If you >>>> can't make your mailer send both html and plaintext, then I'd go with >>>> the grandparent's advice of "Fix your mailer" >> >>

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Re: [wlug] Mailing list etiquette (was Re: Sudo)
by Michael Honeyfield 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

> > I have to say here that I use thunderbird, which seems to like sending > > in HTML and plain by default, and will reply to HTML in HTML and plain > > by default. This isn't my preferred choice! > > > Ditto. I've even set the plain text option hard in my prefs file, it > just refuses. :( > Any Thunderbird gurus out there that know how to fix this? I've > followed the instructions at: > > http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Using_Plain_Text > Not only is there the plain vs html text emails, there is also the way in which you post. NZOSS tries to use a post at the bottom of each email, making the thread logical to read, snipping where needed if the thread becomes too long. This is probmatic for those that use Outlook, for example, since outlook will post to the top of the email.. I have a link to mailing list etiquette, but cant find it atm. Mike

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Re: wlug Digest, Vol 166, Issue 8
by d_king＠xtra.co.nz 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

On 5 Apr 2005 at 11:59, wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:41:56 +1200 > From: Bnonn <bnonn(a)orcon.net.nz> > > I'm not meaning to stir or be a pest; I just don't understand why any > mail client in use today would not support HTML; or why people would > turn it off? Surely, unless you're using OE, security isn't a problem. Ummm, you're missing several other security issues. An example would be the exploit that is available via GIF images. My modern eMail reader (copyright 2004) doesn't display images that aren't included in the eMail as an attachment. This is a security feature. But, my eMail program is free, and is written by a NZ'er > People seem to manage browsing the web without issues, and that's a far > less controlled and predictable environment than email. That all depends on which web browser you use......but that's a seperate flame war. --- David G King : d_king(a)xtra.co.nz zl1dgk(a)nzart.org.nz ZL1DGK http://dking.gen.nz http://freet.blogspot.com

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Gov.uk backs open source drive
by Jodi Thomson 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

The Government has funded a ground-breaking new venture to accelerate the use of open source software (OSS) throughout local government. Known as the Open Source Academy, the project represents one of the most significant developments yet in moves to drive up OSS adoption in government. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/04/uk_government_backs_open_source_ drive/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before."

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Re: [wlug] fw: GIMP article
by Joseph Gibbs 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

As an aside, Photoshop users may find this useful: http://codemills.com/blog/?p=4 [Making GIMP menus more like Photoshop menus] Joseph. -----Original Message----- From: "Craig Box" <craig(a)dubculture.co.nz> To: "'Waikato Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:22:40 +1200 Subject: [wlug] fw: GIMP article Was emailled this this morning - as I only made one edit, and am not actually the author, I thought I'd share it with the mailing list. (Another success story!) - Dear Craig, I really loved your November 2004 (update date) Gimp vs Photoshop article which I came across while googling "gimp export pdf." I didn't put two and two together (that postscript files are most easily converted to pdf) until I read your article and was staying away from The Gimp for that reason (would not export to pdf). No matter how obvious it is now, it did not occur to me until your article. So I am going to give The Gimp a try. Thanks! John White _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Curious about OSS
by Michael Honeyfield 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

I lead in Yoper's (www.yoper.com) development. Tho my efforts are not focused on a singular application, it is spread out across many. Does that count? Mike > Hi all, > > Just curious. Among all the emails about _using_ OSS, how many > people here _produce_ OSS? > > I'll hold my hand up -- bibliography management systems etc. at > www.sourceforge.net/projects/wikindx > and > www.sourceforge.net/projects/bibliophile > > Mark. > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [wlug] Parliamentary Questions
by Michael Honeyfield 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

> While the remarks are in jest (yours and mine), it bugs me that people > seem to consider Rodney Hide to be an incompatible fit in terms of > putting our views to parliament? Why is that? Perhaps we should start > a politics thread, but it could get messy... > > Anyway, in summary - he's a liberal, so he cares about personal freedom, > and he is passionate about Open Source. How can that require loose > coupling? :) I don't think it matters which member of parliament, as long as they are willing to take our (Linux/OS community) concerns/issues etc to parliament on behalf of us. Act is not my choice when it comes to voting time, but if Act will help create parliamentry awareness, then sweet. Likewise with Greens... the more the merrier. Just my thoughts on that. Mike

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Questions in Parliament
by wayne.luxton 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

Hi folk In relation to questions in Parliament Nandor Tanczos Green Party Technology spokesperson would also be a good person for the job and when I looked on the Green Party website I see he already has a track record in support of open source, including questions. See www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/other6984.html www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/PR8077.html www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/PR7725.html www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/PR7657.html www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/PR7285.html He is in Hamilton a lot ( he may even live there now) His contact is nandor.tanczos(a)parliament.govt.nz phone 04 4706716 in Wellington or hamilton.office(a)greens.org.nz phone 8340299 Wayne

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fw: GIMP article
by Craig Box 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

Was emailled this this morning - as I only made one edit, and am not actually the author, I thought I'd share it with the mailing list. (Another success story!) - Dear Craig, I really loved your November 2004 (update date) Gimp vs Photoshop article which I came across while googling "gimp export pdf." I didn't put two and two together (that postscript files are most easily converted to pdf) until I read your article and was staying away from The Gimp for that reason (would not export to pdf). No matter how obvious it is now, it did not occur to me until your article. So I am going to give The Gimp a try. Thanks! John White

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Re: [wlug] Real world requirements
by Michael Honeyfield 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

> >>User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) > >> > >>I'm guess this has something to do with a draconian employer? > >> > >>James. > > > >No, it has to do with the real world requirements of my job. > > > >G. > > Such as? I'm actually interested by this. > > The last three years of my working career I've used primarily Linux. For > a while (at my previous job) I had to KVM to a windows box periodically > to use OutLook and some legacy customer management software. Now it's > only Linux. > Here at EDS Windows XP, Internet Explorer and Outlook are real world requirements.... Not everyone's work place has the luxary of using OSS for their tools and platforms. Mike

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Re: [wlug] Parliamentary Questions
by Michael Honeyfield 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

> Michael Honeyfield wrote: > > >Will wlug be working with NZOSS on submitting these or will wlug do it independent of them? > > > >Mike > > > > > > > > We'd like it to get done. Preferably yesterday. Hence we're taking the > initiative and doing it ourselves. Rodney Hide has kindly offered a > channel, and we'd like to take it. > > G. OK, I will take a look through the course of the day for you. Cheers Mike

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Re: [wlug] Parliamentary Questions
by Michael Honeyfield 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

> Hi all, > > After Rodney Hide spoke to us last year, he suggested that our most > effective tool for advocacy would be to formulate a list of > parliamentary questions. A good explanation of the usefulness of these > can be found here: > > http://www.act.org.nz/question.jsp > > Mr. Hide has offered to put our questions forward, but at the moment > they are a tad incoherent. Could we have some keen volunteers to edit > http://www.wlug.org.nz/ParliamentaryQuestions? > > Be brutal. Don't worry about retaining comments - they are retained in > the wiki's revision history. I'd really like to submit these in "ready > to ask" form to Mr. Hide by the end of this month. > > Please note: The WLUG has no political affiliation with ACT or any > other political party, but we know a useful tool when we see one. :) > Please don't submit these questions yourself, as we would like them to > all be submitted together from a single point of contact to maximise > their efficiency. > > Thanks, > > Greig McGill > El Presidente. Will wlug be working with NZOSS on submitting these or will wlug do it independent of them? Mike

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PalmyLUG
by John Eyres 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

Yes, we've started a Palmerston North LUG -1st meet 24th March went well with 15 people attending, site under construction viewble at lug.spinningplanet.co.nz mailing list on the way considering sending delegation of gentoo cult members to next wlug

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Waikato University Time: 7pm (note! earlier time) PerryLorier on http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv6, why it's needed, what it solves, how it differs from http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv4, and why http://www.wlug.org.nz/WLUG should be supporting its use. ---- See also OldMeetingTopics.

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Waikato University Time: 7pm (note! earlier time) PerryLorier on http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv6, why it's needed, what it solves, how it differs from http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv4, and why http://www.wlug.org.nz/WLUG should be supporting its use. ---- See also OldMeetingTopics.

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Committee meeting minutes
by Craig Box 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2005-03-23 Craig

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Patents
by Gavin Denby 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

The public comment period for proposed amendments to the Patents Act expired on March 11, “so a meeting is now the best way we have of communicating with the politicians and telling them what the issues are,” says NZOSS president Peter Harrison. Full story at: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/NL/9A6B2014750A3A95CC256FCA002B46C1 If the LUG or any person wishes to make a submission time is running out. Do our political contacts have any guidelines we can post for submissions on patents, esp with regard the NZ free trade agreements.

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Funding application
by Craig Box 21 Mar '05

21 Mar '05

>From time to time, the WLUG will apply for funding from community organisations such as Trust Waikato and the Sky City Trust. Funding applications need to be for a specific project, normally for the purchase of physical items, with a prepared budget, and not just for general expenses. If any members on the list have any suggestions of things that they would like to see the LUG apply for funding for, please contact me off list by 5pm tomorrow. Thanks, Craig

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 20 Mar '05

20 Mar '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Waikato University Time: 7pm (note! earlier time) PerryLorier on http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv6, why it's needed, what it solves, how it differs from http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv4, and why http://www.wlug.org.nz/WLUG should be supporting its use. ---- See also OldMeetingTopics.

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Mozilla Foundation.
by Oliver Jones 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Hi Folks. I decided to donate some bucks to the Mozilla Foundation and in the process bought a Firefox/Thunderbird Guide & CD and a Firefox poster. I don't need them so I thought I'd donate them to the WLUG. Perhaps the poster can be displayed somewhere prominently at Waikato Uni in an effort to encourage Firefox adoption. Where do I send them? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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UPS's for sale, work with Linux, BSD, etc.
by Oliver Jones 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

Hi Folks. As we are Linux types we tend to leave out PC's and servers on all the time. As such it is good to have UPS power protection. Historically I've always used SOLA (now Powerware) gear. I have a few used SOLA UPS's for sale. I have an older SOLA 320/700VA device for sale for $80. A newer SOLA 325/750VA for $250 and a SOLA 520/1800VA Rackmount for $970. The 520/1800VA device is only about 14 months old and in excellent condition. I also have a SOLA 325/1000VA device but I think its battery has died. I need to run some tests. The outcome of those tests will dictate price. Batteries can be easily sourced from the NZ distributor in Auckland. These are all good quality devices with online buck and boost to keep the power running smoothly into protected equipment. The 700VA & 750VA devices will keep a workstation/server running for about 30 to 45 minutes on battery depending on the equipments current draw. The Rackmount unit will keep a few power hungry servers running for about the same time. Less power hungry devices will probably last about 1.5 hours on it. All of the UPS devices can be monitored via their included serial cables and they come with monitoring software for a variety of OSs including Linux and BSD. Though the included Unix software isn't as good as NUT (www.networkupstools.org) I actually managed to get SOLA to provide protocol documentation of the UPSs to the NUT project which was nice. The 520 also has an SNMP expansion card bay. No need to replace power cords either like you do with some APC gear. All the UPS's have four standard AU/NZ power plugs on the back. If anyone needs a good Linux/BSD compatible UPS let me know. Note that all prices include GST but exclude shipping. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # Reply To Munging on the mailing list # General business

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Erics Ultimate Solitare
by Oliver Jones 10 Mar '05

10 Mar '05

I have a copy of Eric's Ultimate Solitaire to give away. Lucky person gets to pay the postage... ;) Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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WLUG server down because of tunnel fire?
by Ian McDonald 09 Mar '05

09 Mar '05

I am guessing that this is the reason it is not up still? Can anybody confirm.

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Effective advocacy.
by Greig McGill 08 Mar '05

08 Mar '05

Hi WLUGers. I realise, as displayed at the last LUG meeting, that most of you read slashdot. :) Even so, I'd like to ensure that all of you have read the O'Reilly article on effective advocacy. Advocacy is something that is very important to me, and our WLUG Charter also lists it as one of the core goals of our group. http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/03/03/advocacy.html I think we have been doing well lately to be taken reasonably seriously as a LUG, and I'd like to continue this trend. One thing which I perceive to be damaging to our credibility is people at meetings asking "questions" which are little more than excuses to rant about how Microsoft ate their baby/killed their cat/defiled their church/whatever. I don't like Microsoft. I've never liked them, even before they adopted their extremely aggressive and monopolistic business practices. That said, calling them evil, and frothing at the mouth to people who can't do anything about it, does absolutely nothing to help the situation. It only serves to weaken the perception of the WLUG as a credible entity. Jokes are fine. I like jokes. Just remember that nobody likes to listen to a zealot (think of the mad bible bashers in Garden Place...), and "being that guy" will never get you taken seriously. This is as close to official as I like to get, so please take it on board. Your funloving, but slightly frustrated President, Greig McGill.

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Presenting at this meeting is Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) a member of the Ximian] desktop http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux group at http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell, responsible for http://www.wlug.org.nz/Mozilla/http://www.wlug.org.nz/Firefox ([MozillaFirefox) browser development and the integration of Firefox into Novell's Linux desktop product. The meeting will start at 7:30pm in the LITB (http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB) room B.G.02 at WaikatoUniversity. Robert did his undergraduate study at the University of Auckland and has a PhD] from http://www.wlug.org.nz/Carnegie Mellon ([CMU) university. He has also previously worked at IBM Research. He made it known that he wanted a full time job working on Mozilla that he could do from New Zealand, and Novell hired him for their desktop team to work fulltime in Auckland on Mozilla improvements, including multi-column layout for web pages and improved SVG (scalable vector graphics) support. * Robert's blog (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) * An article on Ben Goodger and Robert O'Callahan from the NZ Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=11&ObjectID=10010075) Thanks to Douglas Harvey of the Systems & Technology Group at IBM] New Zealand and Chris Penney of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell for arranging this meeting. Beer and pizza will be provided compliments of [Value Added Distributors (http://www.vad.co.nz/) the principal distributor for IBM iSeries and pSeries equipment in New Zealand.

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RE: [wlug] WLUG Meeting was last night
by David Nicholls 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

Its not just that, it's users having to wade through copious quantities of emails. I get enough without getting duplicates! All I can say is thank god for filtering. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2005 11:53 am Subject: Re: [wlug] WLUG Meeting was last night Just to follow this point up, this point seems like it might have a bigger impact if we still lived in the days where you were changed $30/MB for email. Data is basically flatrate, so sending lots of emails doesn't matter any more. However, spam and virus scanning isn't cheap. I've seen threads on mailing lists CC'd to 6 lists members and the list itself. That's another 6 passes through spam and virus scanning processes. Unless spamassassin etc are smart enough to do duplicate suppression themselves - anyone have any idea if that's the case? _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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ubuntu cds
by David Nicholls 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

hi guys, my official ubuntu cds finally arrived the other day (i have a number of x86 32bit and about 5 64bit vers). if anyone wants a set, just drop me a line to organise pickup. ih and for those mac fans i also have 1 ppc version... i would like to keep this one though, so i am quite happy to copy it. finally, the x86 32 bit packages come with both a live cd & an install cd. the 64 bit version only comes with a single install cd. cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant School of Science & Engineering/Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

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Hypervisor and IBM's open source
by Ian McDonald 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

Found the article mentioned last night - was as CNet not Slashdot... It's not the full Hypervisor - parts of it IBM throws weight behind multi-OS push By Stephen Shankland http://news.com.com/IBM+throws+weight+behind+multi-OS+push/2100-1016_3-5588… Story last modified Thu Feb 24 04:00:00 PST 2005 IBM has quietly added a new option to the suddenly vogue market for "hypervisor" software that lets a computer run multiple operating systems simultaneously, CNET News.com has learned. But Big Blue's efforts aren't likely to squash a potential rival just flexing its muscles. IBM has released source code for its Research Hypervisor, or rHype, on its Web site, letting anyone examine the approach of a company renowned for its expertise in the field. One distinguishing feature: rHype works with multiple processor varieties, including IBM's Power family, widely used x86 chips such as Intel's Xeon, and the new Cell microprocessor codeveloped by IBM, Sony and Toshiba. News.context What's new: Big Blue quietly enters the noisy market for "hypervisor" software, which lets a computer run multiple operating systems simultaneously. Bottom line: Considering its open-source nature and IBM's actions so far, rHype is more likely to be a help than a hindrance to a competing project called Xen. More stories on hypervisor The project potentially competes with two commercial products--Microsoft's Virtual Server and EMC's VMware--and with the open-source Xen software that has attracted support from numerous computing heavyweights. But given rHype's open-source nature and IBM's actions so far, rHype is more likely to be a help than a hindrance to Xen. Specifically, it could help Xen move from its current base of x86 chips to IBM's Power. "We've spent quite some time talking to its authors," Xen founder Ian Pratt said. "Now that the rHype code is open source, it's a great starting point for a port of Xen to Power." The rHype software may be incorporated directly into Xen because both packages are governed by the General Public License (GPL), Pratt said. And IBM isn't shying away: Its programmers have been contributing to the Xen project. It makes sense for IBM to help Xen, said Charles King, principal analyst of Pund-IT Research. "It sounds like a natural point of intersection, given IBM's natural interest in open source and in virtualization," King said. IBM is the 800-pound gorilla when it comes to hypervisor software, which it has supported for decades on its mainframes and has brought to its Power-based Unix servers. But for x86 servers, IBM chose a partnership with VMware rather than bring its own technology to market. IBM declined to comment on most details of rHype. However, Tom Bradicich, chief technology officer for IBM's Intel-based xSeries server line, said Tuesday that it's not likely IBM will turn rHype into a product. "It's in the realm of the possible, but we don't foresee it at this time," Bradicich said. IBM has used rHype to aid three internal projects. One is sHype, the Secure Hypervisor project to build barriers between different virtual machines. Another is validating features of the Cell processor, which has nine separate processing cores. And a third is an IBM supercomputing project called PERCS (Productive, Easy-to-use, Reliable Computing System). Hypervisor hype A hypervisor--a term IBM is trying to trademark--is basic software that runs atop the processor, allocating resources such as processing power, memory and network links. By creating virtual connections to these resources--"virtualizing" them--the hypervisor provides a flexible foundation that can let a computer run multiple operating systems and thus multiple tasks more efficiently. Juggling numerous tasks has long been a useful ability for corporate computing centers. Now such abilities are increasingly useful at home as computer networks get more complex and useful, King said. "It's fascinating to me that something that's been seen as a benefit for enterprise data centers is percolating its way down into the set-top box," King said. The rHype software virtualizes only some resources, which makes it fall into the same "paravirtualization" category as the Xen hypervisor project. IBM developed security software called sHype on the rHype software, but in January it pledged to create a version that will work with Xen. Among features IBM touts with rHype: • A design that can handle sophisticated memory tasks and that works well with high-speed cache memory. • Support for IBM's open-source K42 operating system for multiprocessor servers. • The ability to run on several processor simulators, including the "Mambo" simulator of IBM's PowerPC 970 family of processors, the general-purpose QEMU simulator and the BOCHS x86 simulator. rHype also has run on VMware. • Interfaces to use the software on servers with multiple processors and with multithreaded processors--those that can execute multiple simultaneous instruction sequences. Divide and conquer Xen and rHype contrast with virtual machine software such as VMware and Virtual Server, which employ full virtualization. That means an operating system doesn't need to be modified, as generally is the case with paravirtualization today, but runs more slowly. There are other ways of dividing a system so it can run multiple operating systems. Some higher-end IBM Intel servers have hardware-based partitions. And Linux-Vserver, SW-soft's Virtuozzo and Solaris containers divides a single instance of an operating system so it appears that separate users have their own copies. In addition to the rHype project, IBM has a commercial hypervisor running on machines that use its Power processors. Because rHype uses the same interfaces as the commercial hypervisor, Linux doesn't have to be modified to run on an rHype-Power foundation. With rHype on x86 chips, Linux must be modified to work. IBM isn't the only company interested in helping Xen grow beyond x86 servers. Hewlett-Packard programmers have been working on Xen for computers using Intel's Itanium 2 processor. Although IBM is sharing the source code underlying the rHype project, it currently isn't accepting modifications from outsiders.

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IBM opensources more apps
by Ian McDonald 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

As I mentioned last night at meeting... Can't find reference to Hypervisor here but will post if I find it.... IBM Helps Drive Open Source Development; New Resources Help Developers Build Skills around New Software Technologies Business Editors/Technology Writers SOMERS, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 25, 2005--IBM today contributed more than 30 open source projects to SourceForge.net and launched new online skills-building programs to spur innovation, collaboration and development around emerging open source projects. Additionally, IBM today announced it is extending support for developers building Web applications using PHP, a popular open source Web development language. Through a new business partnership and new skill-building resources, IBM will help developers use PHP as part of their Web services and services oriented architectures (SOA). More than 30 IBM software projects will by hosted by SourceForge.net to give developers broader access to open source technologies. SourceForge.net, part of the OSTG Network, is the world's largest collaborative development site, with more than one million registered users and 96,000 projects. As a result, more developers can collaborate and build upon technologies spanning Java, Linux and wireless, fueling more innovation to drive next-generation software applications. The projects include IBM's Jikes(TM) software, a fast Java(TM) compiler that helps developers speed their development time, and the Life Science Identifier, which helps developers in healthcare build life sciences applications by automatically scanning networks for biologically significant data. With today's announcement IBM is also expanding its developerWorks Web site, launching new skills-building resources to help developers more rapidly build solutions based on emerging open source technologies, such as PHP. IBM developerWorks (ibm.com/developerWorks) is IBM's growing online developer community with more than 4.5 million registered users. The site offers tools and education to help developers build and deploy applications across heterogeneous systems. In conjunction with the partnership announced today between IBM and Zend Technologies, IBM launched a new section on IBM developerWorks devoted to PHP. The new PHP section features technical articles, tutorials and forums to drive further skills and development of PHP, which currently accounts for more than 40 percent of the overall Web programming language market. IBM and Zend Technologies are working together to develop integrated software based on PHP using IBM's Cloudscape database. In August, IBM offered "Derby," a copy of Cloudscape to the Apache Software Foundation to spur more collaborative innovation for software application development. IBM and Zend Technologies plan to offer their integrated software to developers on IBM developerWorks in the second quarter of 2005. "The momentum of open source and its adoption by governments and businesses worldwide points to the increasingly critical role of the software developer within business," said Gina Poole, vice president of developer relations, IBM. "Organizations looking for innovative software applications to drive their business projects are looking for developers with the tools and skills of tomorrow - based on open technologies." Other resources on IBM developerWorks to help open source developers include: -- Open source special topic sections for a broad range of emerging open source projects such as Apache Derby, Eclipse, Globus, Linux and PHP, providing access to hundreds of technical articles, tutorials, forums and blogs -- Plug-ins, along with technical articles and demonstrations, to help developers streamline their Apache Derby database development leveraging the Eclipse environment, helping developers reap more value out of these growing open source projects -- The IBM Linux Software Evaluation Kit, with triple the amount of complimentary trial software available to developers looking to build, run, manage and deploy using IBM software running on Linux. For the first time, IBM Rational software development tools for Linux will be included. IBM Rational tools can help organizations more rapidly build applications on Linux. IBM has contributed more than 120 collaborative projects to the open source community, helping drive innovation with projects such as Eclipse, Derby and Globus. IBM also recently pledged 500 patents into a "patent commons" to help drive innovation and future software development. Beginning March 1, IBM will also launch a series of technical briefings to help developers migrate to and develop new applications on Linux. Part of IBM's developerWorks Live! Technical Briefings, the complimentary Linux briefings will run in Bangkok, Chicago, Kuala Lampur, Los Angeles, Manila, San Francisco, Washington DC and more. About OSTG, Inc. OSTG is the cornerstone of the Open Source movement and the leading online network for IT managers and development professionals. OSTG's technology-focused sites include Slashdot.org, SourceForge.net, ITManagersJournal.com, NewsForge.com, Linux.com and freshmeat.net. 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Newbie to the meetings
by Graham Lauder 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

Greetings All I'm Graham Lauder AKA Yorick or Yo New Zealand Marketing Contact for OpenOffice.org And I'd very much like to attend the next meeting. The Bot doesn't say where however, Would someone care to enlighten me Thanks and cheers Yo

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Presenting at this meeting is Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) a member of the Ximian] desktop http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux group at http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell, responsible for http://www.wlug.org.nz/Mozilla/http://www.wlug.org.nz/Firefox ([MozillaFirefox) browser development and the integration of Firefox into Novell's Linux desktop product. Robert did his undergraduate study at the University of Auckland and has a PhD] from http://www.wlug.org.nz/Carnegie Mellon ([CMU) university. He has also previously worked at IBM Research. He made it known that he wanted a full time job working on Mozilla that he could do from New Zealand, and Novell hired him for their desktop team to work fulltime in Auckland on Mozilla improvements, including multi-column layout for web pages and improved SVG (scalable vector graphics) support. * Robert's blog (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) * An article on Ben Goodger and Robert O'Callahan from the NZ Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=11&ObjectID=10010075) Thanks to Douglas Harvey of the Systems & Technology Group at IBM] New Zealand and Chris Penney of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell for arranging this meeting. Beer and pizza will be provided compliments of [Value Added Distributors (http://www.vad.co.nz/) the principal distributor for IBM iSeries and pSeries equipment in New Zealand.

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WLUG website appears to be down
by Ian McDonald 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

To whoever administers this: - can ping www.wlug.org.nz - http to www.wlug.org.nz, www2.wlug.org.nz, wlug.org.nz times out so suspect web server hanging or similar - coming in from Xtra DSL in case network issue

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hard Drives
by Gun Caundle 20 Feb '05

20 Feb '05

I cant install XP on a hard drive that had Linux (Centos 3) previously installed. Any suggestions would be appreciated

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 20 Feb '05

20 Feb '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Presenting at this meeting is Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) a member of the Ximian] desktop http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux group at http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell, responsible for http://www.wlug.org.nz/Mozilla/http://www.wlug.org.nz/Firefox ([MozillaFirefox) browser development and the integration of Firefox into Novell's Linux desktop product. Robert did his undergraduate study at the University of Auckland and has a PhD] from http://www.wlug.org.nz/Carnegie Mellon ([CMU) university. He has also previously worked at IBM Research. He made it known that he wanted a full time job working on Mozilla that he could do from New Zealand, and Novell hired him for their desktop team to work fulltime in Auckland on Mozilla improvements, including multi-column layout for web pages and improved SVG (scalable vector graphics) support. * Robert's blog (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) * An article on Ben Goodger and Robert O'Callahan from the NZ Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=11&ObjectID=10010075) Thanks to Douglas Harvey of the Systems & Technology Group at IBM] New Zealand and Chris Penney of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell for arranging this meeting. Beer and pizza will be provided compliments of [Value Added Distributors (http://www.vad.co.nz/) the principal distributor for IBM iSeries and pSeries equipment in New Zealand.

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free technical book...
by Nigel Nguyen 18 Feb '05

18 Feb '05

I got this piece of information from my usergroup back home. Could helpful for us ? <quote> The Feb 05 issue of Linux Format (LF) has an announcement that they will ship a box of Linux technical books (and some software) to LUGs that send information about themselves to LF - and LF will include information about the LUG in a future magazine - the offer is open to LUGs overseas. They are interested in about 200 words on the user group, and if possible include a photo of a meeting or event (kind of hard to do with a virtual group though). LF will also announce future events by the LUGs in future editions of the magazine, if they receive the information early enough. The offer for free technical documentation is good while the books last. On a personal note, I receive Linux Magazine and Linux Format each month (here in Hanoi) and each issue includes a DVD of current Linux software. If anyone is interested, I would be glad to share copies of the Linux DVDs and CDs that I have. The e-mail contact for the Linux Magazine offer is lxf.lugs(a)futurenet.co.uk LeRoy Duvall lduvall(a)nwlink.com +091 204 1920 </quote> -- Ask not what the computer can do for you Ask what you can do with your computer.

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Hula.
by Oliver Jones 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

Anyone had any experience with Hula (www.hula-project.org) It looks like it could be a "very good thing". Novell are doing some good things... They seem to be embracing the whole Open Source idea really well. They're not even coming up with their own esoteric licenses. Hula is LGPL/MPL.... Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Fedora Core 3, 2.6.10-1.766
by michael.and.colleen.mcdonald＠xtra.co.nz 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

Anyone else had problems with this update? Following last night's update to this version, GRUB no longer boots. Screen says "GRUB" and goes no further. GRUB is on my slave disk, and I normally boot via Windows loader on master. I suspect that the boot sector on the slave drive has been modified ... the windows loader runs a copy of the that sector (copied following the upgrade to Fedora Core 2). This is the first time I've had this problem after an update. Contents of boot partition ... root(a)ttyp0[hdb1]# ls -1 System.map System.map-2.6.10-1.737_FC3 System.map-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 System.map-2.6.10-1.760_FC3 System.map-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 System.map-2.6.9-1.667 System.map-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 System.map-2.6.9-1.724_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.737_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.760_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 config-2.6.9-1.667 config-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 config-2.6.9-1.724_FC3 grub initrd-2.6.10-1.737_FC3.img initrd-2.6.10-1.741_FC3.img initrd-2.6.10-1.760_FC3.img initrd-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.img initrd-2.6.9-1.667.img initrd-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.img initrd-2.6.9-1.724_FC3.img kernel.h lost+found vmlinuz vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.737_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.760_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.724_FC3 Michael

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Fwd: Fedora Core 3 Update: kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3
by Ian McDonald 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

Here is the release information for that kernel - note the bit about hanging!! It does mention it for SCSI but I note a couple of things: - Serial ATA uses SCSI code in some instances - 2.6.11 release candidate 4 has support for blacklisting some problematic Serial ATA drives - mostly Seagates... If you are running Serial ATA and your new drive is a Seagate then this may be the problem . ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:38:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Update: kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 To: fedora-announce-list(a)redhat.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2005-142 2005-02-15 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 3 Name : kernel Version : 2.6.10 Release : 1.766_FC3 Summary : The Linux kernel (the core of the Linux operating system) Description : The kernel package contains the Linux kernel (vmlinuz), the core of any Linux operating system. The kernel handles the basic functions of the operating system: memory allocation, process allocation, device input and output, etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Wed Feb 09 2005 Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> - Backport some exec-shield fixes from devel/ branch. - Scan all SCSI LUNs by default. Theoretically, some devices may hang when being probed, though there should be few enough of these that we can blacklist them instead of having to whitelist every other device on the planet. * Tue Feb 08 2005 Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> - Use both old-style and new-style for USB initialisation. * Mon Feb 07 2005 Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> [2.6.10-1.762_FC3, 2.6.10-1.13_FC2] - Update to 2.6.10-ac12 --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/ 9a199e9b5ea398be70eefdbaa7d44ad9 SRPMS/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.src.rpm a74a341f850ec8c42b7a0ff6d7da4558 x86_64/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.x86_64.rpm 1bd4b68e82e2d166f1e9ab39100bafd7 x86_64/kernel-smp-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.x86_64.rpm 5cd961d5d3530db2fe30a0e6add85152 x86_64/debug/kernel-debuginfo-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.x86_64.rpm b143299deae186212d26a48ae78d1145 x86_64/kernel-doc-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.noarch.rpm 44b7cc733539619815020eae8b61062a i386/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i586.rpm 65057eb315149d6657e42089c1af8a00 i386/kernel-smp-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i586.rpm c5100f401158541766076dfa92389fe0 i386/debug/kernel-debuginfo-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i586.rpm 6f034a6e59f1009b6a869303f7f3d4bf i386/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i686.rpm 63cc52fd4998fe49b7d989886754e5bd i386/kernel-smp-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i686.rpm 9a423b5e2afff92813947b126fe5749d i386/debug/kernel-debuginfo-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i686.rpm b143299deae186212d26a48ae78d1145 i386/kernel-doc-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.noarch.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list(a)redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list

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Great Release Day
by Craig Box 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 released today; see http://www.redhat.com/promo/rhel/apac if you're interested in going to their NZ launch on March 2 in Auckland. CentOS-4 RC1 is due later today :) Novell have also released Hula (http://www.hula-project.org/) an open source offshoot of Novell's NetMail with calendering added on. It looks like the missing Exchange killer that we've all been waiting for. Craig

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting 23-02-2005 Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # Free Software Foundation donations* # General business ~* Gun Caundle writes: ''Something I thought about when I read up on the FSF project was that because it relies on donations, perhaps WLUG should be contributing. I would be happy to pay an extra $10 on the sub for a donation. Would you suggest it at a committee meeting.''

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(no subject)
by Troy Anthony Leslie Dean 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Hi I'm trying to set up a pop server using qmail and vpopmail on my gentoo box. I've never set up a mail server before so I followed the howto on the gentoo home page. After setting up qmail I sent test emails and was able to retrieve them with mutt, I then set up vpopmail as per the instructions and then tested using kmail and got the following error - Could not read file The server said: "Can't open the message file - it's gone!". The status bar says there are 11 messages and this number increases to correspond with the number of test emails i send, but i am unable to view the messages. Anyone got any ideas what could be up?? I have emailed the writer of the how to and will post any reply I get Troy

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Degree character
by Lindsay 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

I cant get a degree character in Evolution Mail in Ubuntu. I guess Evolution is on other distro's too, so does anyone have an idea? In WinXP it was Alt+0186 or select a Font in Character Map. But I'm afraid Character Map in Ubuntu in all Fonts seems to give only A-Z 0-9. Linz

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Old PC
by Lindsay 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

Craig, Finally got around to using the old PC I picked up - and again thanks. It booted up nicely and I cleaned up the HDD, taking off all the legal programs a student had obviously used it for. Did a defrag and planned to boot up again later to partition and so on, and Ubuntu. On reboot, everything was dead. I don't know, maybe power-pack died or something. A technician friend is coming up to stay in a couple of weeks from Wellington, so we are going have a gander at it them. He is going to put Ubuntu on his Win98 machine at the same time. Cheers, Lindsay R

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Exim Conference and Tutorial
by Craig Box 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Hi everyone, Received this in the 'mail. I suspect that none of you will be able to attend (except perhaps Stuart Yeates), but owing to the generosity of Philip Hazel in his recent presentation we owe UIT a favour. :) Craig Niall Mansfield wrote: > Hi, > > We're organizing a Conference about the Exim mail server, > in conjunction with the UKUUG. The conference takes place > 25/26-Feb-2005 in Birmingham, UK. All the important Exim > people are speaking. > > It would be great if you could publicize it to your group. The full > programme is at: > http://uit.co.uk/exim-conference/index.htm#programme > > Thanks, > Niall > > tel: +44 1223 302 041 > UIT Cambridge

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Not getting mail from non-default ISP's-newbie question
by Lindsay 06 Feb '05

06 Feb '05

I am connected to my default ISP by DSL and all is ok there. I cannot however receive mail from my other ISP's via the DSL as I could through Windows. I think it is something to do with the settings in Tools, Settings, Mail Accounts, Edit, Receiving Mail, Authenitication Type (which in Windows was Password). There seems to be no place where I can enter or edit individual ISP passwords. How is that done please. Linz

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Special meeting: "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life" The WaikatoLinuxUsersGroup are pleased to announce that Philip Hazel, primary author of the [Exim] mail transfer agent and the pcre(7) library, will be presenting an open talk to its members and guests on Tuesday, 1 February. The talk is entitled "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life". Philip will present a non-technical talk on the history of the Exim and PCRE software projects, how they got started, where they are now, and where they are currently going. The meeting will start at 7:30pm, in the [LitB] building at WaikatoUniversity. All are welcome. Tea/coffee/biscuits/juice will be provided afterwards. Thanks to Philip Hazel for agreeing to take the time to present this meeting, to the [NZNOG] conference for sponsoring Philip's trip to NZ and to Jamie Curtis for organising the meeting. !About the presenter Philip Hazel grew up in South Africa. He has a PhD in applied mathematics, and has spent the last 30 years writing general-purpose software for the Computing Service at the University of Cambridge in England. Some major projects were text editors and text formatters for use on an IBM mainframe system. Since moving from the mainframe to Unix around 1990, he has become more and more involved with email. This lead to his starting to develop Exim in 1995, and the PCRE regular expression library two years later. These open source projects have both turned out to be larger and more successful that expected. Outside interests include classical music (as a choral singer and late convert to viola playing), music typsetting, working backstage in amateur theatre, and finding nice places to go walking, preferably not as flat as Cambridgeshire. Philip is married, and has three grown-up sons.

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reminder: extra meeting Tue 1st Feb - Philip Hazel
by John R. McPherson 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

Reminder - we have an extra WLUG meeting with a guest from the free software community. Details below. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Waikato Linux Users Group are pleased to announce that Philip Hazel, primary author of the Exim mail transfer agent and the PCRE library, will be presenting an open talk to its members and guests on Tuesday, 1st February. The talk is entitled "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life" [1]. Philip will present a non-technical talk on the history of the Exim and PCRE software projects, how they got started, where they are now, and where they are currently going. The meeting will start at 7:30pm, in LitB. Tea/coffee/biscuits/juice will be provided after the meeting. Thanks to Philip for agreeing to present this talk and the NZNOG conference for bringing Philip to NZ. [1] For more information on Philip and the meeting, see http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-02-01

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mandrake 10.1 offical cds
by Bo Wang 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

does someone from uni have a copy of mandrake 10.1 offical. blank cds for exchange. thanks bo

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Pipermail archives
by Craig Box 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Hi everyone, I have a pipermail list archive that has never munged email addresses before. I want to munge email addresses on it retrospectively - I believe that the mailing list archives are in mbox format. Has anyone here ever done this, and if so, would a simple regex search/replace be enough? Thanks Craig

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newbie C++ query <iostream.h>
by Jodi Anderson 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

I've been teaching myself C++ lately and have been compiling at home on a RH6.1 box which has libstdc++ 2.9.0 The tutorials I have been using say to include <iostream.h> and cin/cout for standard input/output. I'm back at work after leave and am continuing my learnings now compiling on FC3 with libstdc++ 3.4.2 which gives me warnings about using depreciated headers with iostream.h. So I do what it says and remove the .h. This kicks back errors telling me that 'cin/cout is undeclared in function xyz A bit of a google and I find a page which says to add 'std::' to the cin/cout. I do this and things compiles fine. However I can't seem to find any info as to whether I need to add this all the time using the later libraries, or whether there is something extra I need to add/include in the source files So to cut a long story short my question is: do I continue using std::cin/cout? Or is there something else I need to include? Cheers Jodi -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEE7vXkRBADqdMs07cJuvCn02bG8FSR2iOW2V8M7KB0v5vnmkVI/DPsbbCxf dE23r/6ag1kYS8R8WvnYNUkjOoTKXslmLPFnq6+7Rp3K7g6X4dKyXknGThfai9KW kfdurINrR8FVKvIieidXNrAzl2ADquQ0WPtJCI1KbRb2kL3/tW6AumRS5wCg5fmM kW6Ml3RRfKGqSBRCOfVl7P0D/iCrQjXTskuT0mU/7ZJCQlP09PO5SDoe1vUX2tiB WlbmDnm4t46V1QATybUKM/V8J5rVOsigO/Nv/+9W8VC0KhBs8BR1lVT3jFy91pXr k9MhhjDjb6nhpeM771jdpOFYt+g+Lq/Q5MXKoAIxrEoycKM3JoI/yPwixoJWZlgx CdsvBADRnk/JAPNsWrjfCxLXcpE9b6x/pINncoCK+NKf16ONfw5ArkdFhJdWeJss nOvfEcBzY2RdJOJ5mQA8XnXoeGWrreT5TTUMsvoCF5/UJ1Zuuu0L8hOw0DKg9W0m QwbA7qkDZC9lMqCLmp6YreJydJAr2cp7U0p/d1Fpwd/lhH56LLQtSm9kaSBBbmRl cnNvbiAoV29yayBLZXkpIDxqb2RpQHdhaWthdG8uYWMubno+iF4EExECAB4FAkE7 vXkCGwMGCwkIBwMCAxUCAwMWAgECHgECF4AACgkQXzBud+/fPrsh2gCg4vHHtmbV R9rO8q5c+rbkAalwFmkAoJAAApKfPVHveqHJjVxNGfMXMlCAuQENBEE7vXsQBACf gUZY022ewIUzn3Zi4tcI7H2RXBEbYArtqXtuKdsMZm4N6TygINA4R5KsXF9xe3g7 VNioVVlgbA4h7L4xgt4TOjIxeZSEFuhQKAZ/isqGV9njeCJHhsX75jT0TcacQtNJ JST5IO70Ll6f1j8ZujZlNvUMz5lUTBIKR3XZ1+XlzwADBQQAg03LfdqvmDV1I9jD w7mNJfomW2FBE6Pt0h0oCocEecl4K86fySrjxzFoZW/NEcchvkWHG4Fd/Vr4fSRe aPfABzmFnJCN0YprOvv1cJHnckkSRpvGkHNmfcOH2mC+Tf/GGyi2n6wCe6bk/030 D/qYX3zBxR3SyHJvj5kRYBSt1ayISQQYEQIACQUCQTu9ewIbDAAKCRBfMG53798+ u7AWAKDhkU/ZlKYC+XkkHpAPs7Brf5c9PACgu9GBbiQW834G0lEHzEVYib1mgIM= =tr0I -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Yeah for the HAL and D-Bus....
by Oliver Jones 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Sometimes Linux does thinks properly... With little prodding, poking or frucking about. I like it when it does. It makes for a nice change. I'm at my brothers place in Sydney and I plugged in his Epson Stylus C43UX USB printer. I was expecting to have to go into the Printer Config app and hopefully find a driver that would work and hopefully get it going. I plugged it in, and within a couple seconds a window appeared on my screen asking me to choose a driver as the PC couldn't find an exact match. It had highlighted Epson Stylus C42UX driver (the closest match). I clicked OK as there wasn't a better alternative. I went into the RedHat/Fedora printer config applet and checked the driver settings. Nothing out of the ordinary. Cups has just successfully printed a test page. I'm quite impressed. This is what we want. Project Utopia is starting to make its mark. HAL and D-Bus are going to make Linux a much more user friendly system. Both Gnome and KDE will benefit too. The wait however, is intolerable. I want it now damn it... :) Now if I could only figure out why Evolution crashes whenever I try and add words to my dictionary. Regards Oliver Jones » Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RHCT
by Gun Caundle 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

My aim is to learn how to use Linux. I am working through the RHCT course content topic list, gettting the info from the RedHat 9 Bible. However I feel like a blind man tapping around with a white stick. I am using it because it is a structured course from which I can learn how to use Linux. Is anybody a RH Certified Technician or had experience with the training course for this qualification? I need some advice/guidance on what I should be doing.

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Special WLUG meeting: Exim author Philip Hazel, next Tuesday evening
by Craig Box 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Hi everyone, The Waikato Linux Users Group are pleased to announce that Philip Hazel, primary author of the Exim mail transfer agent and the PCRE library, will be presenting an open talk to its members and guests on Tuesday, 1st February. The talk is entitled "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life" [1]. Philip will present a non-technical talk on the history of the Exim and PCRE software projects, how they got started, where they are now, and where they are currently going. If you use the Debian Linux distribution, chances are you've used Exim before! The meeting will start at 7:30pm, in the LitB[2] building at Waikato University. All are welcome, although non members are encouraged to make a gold coin donation. Tea/coffee/biscuits/juice will be provided after the meeting. Thanks to Jamie for arranging this meeting and the NZNOG conference for bringing Philip to NZ. Craig [1] For more information on Philip and the meeting, see http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-02-01 [2] For a map, see http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB

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Welcome back Hoiho & some administrivia
by Craig Box 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

Hi everyone, I'd just like to take a moment to thank everyone that helped, especially Perry and John, for their hard work in getting Hoiho rebuilt and back online in just two days. All services should now be back up, and if anything is broken please let us know. If you're having trouble logging in, it's probably because we've got passworded authentication disabled, and are only allowing SSH keys. Email sysadmin(a)wlug.org.nz if you need more information or need a key loaded on. The good news however is the wiki is back online! This means that the minutes from the last committee meeting are up at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2005-01-19. Also, we are looking at formulating questions for Government departments, as per Rodney Hide's visit last year: please check out the http://www.wlug.org.nz/ParliamentaryQuestions page again, and lend a hand at tidying it up a little if you can. We will then run them past Rodney and await further instructions. Craig

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Like early banana's
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

I printed out some info this arvo on installing Ubuntu on a system with small RAM (32-64mb). I am afraid I dont even understand what the # & $ signs are used for. I am afraid I dont have time to go to the library and explore this info, so can I have some newbie help with this? When the # and $ are used, are they typed in as part of the command or do they represent something? _____________________________________________

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Hoiho
by Perry Lorier 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

We have reason to believe that the hoiho server (www.wlug.org.nz) may have been compromised. The machine has been shutdown pending an audit and probably a reinstall (to be on the safe side). The kiddie suspected of targetting this machine is well known for using password sniffers and other attacks to leverage accounts on other machines. If you have an account on hoiho (including a mail account) then I suggest that you change your password on any related machine immediately. Hopefully the kiddie hasn't successfully compromised the machine, but we're not taking any chances. The wiki will be offline until further notice. Sorry for any inconvenience, Perry Lorier

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WLUG meeting tomorrow (Monday)
by Craig Box 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

In the absence of a server: There will be a WLUG meeting tomorrow (Monday 24 Jan, 2005), at 7:30pm in LitB, at the University of Waikato. Park at Gate 1 and walk up past the satellite dishes. The topic is "Open Source Music Notation applications". John McPherson will give a presentation about Linux/OpenSource applications for music performers and composers. This will probably cover "mature" applications for things like sequencing, composition, and notation programs, as well as other things that are more "research-y" and not in widespread use, such as page-turning for performers, and optical music recognition.

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 23 Jan '05

23 Jan '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!OpenSource Music Notation applications Monday 24 Jan, 2005%%% Time: 7:30pm%%% Location: [LitB] JohnMcPherson will give a presentation about Linux/OpenSource applications for music performers and composers. This will probably cover "mature" applications for things like sequencing, composition, and notation programs, as well as other things that are more "research-y" and not in widespread use, such as page-turning for performers, and [optical music recognition|http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jrm21/OMR/].

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 20 Jan '05

20 Jan '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!OpenSource Music Notation applications Monday 24 Jan, 2005%%% Time: 7:30pm%%% Location: To Be Advised. JohnMcPherson will give a presentation about Linux/OpenSource applications for music performers and composers. This will probably cover "mature" applications for things like sequencing, composition, and notation programs, as well as other things that are more "research-y" and not in widespread use, such as page-turning for performers, and [optical music recognition|http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jrm21/OMR/].

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Re: [wlug] FreeBSD
by GUO Zhijun 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

Hi, Simon Crosby I can bring you a copy. Hope it's not urgent. I'll at Hamilton 23 Jan. GUO Zhijun jamguo(a)sh163.net 2005-01-19 ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Crosby <simc(a)xtra.co.nz> To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: 2005-01-19 19:10:30 Subject: [wlug] FreeBSD >Hi, > >Is there anyone in the area I can get a copy of the FreeBSD 5.3 CDs >from? > >Simon Crosby > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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