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Competition
by Karin Purser 01 Dec '05

01 Dec '05

Hi All, Just a reminder to get those entries in for the "community member of the year" Send your entries to: comp.lugroundup(a)k-sit.com You don't have to have donated $5000 worth of computers or something huge to be eligable. In what ever way you or someone you know has contributed, no matter how small you think, we would love to read about it. Cherio, Karin. "May all you hopes and dreams be just around the corner" You can find the podcasts at http://mirror.linux.org.au/podcasts/la-update lugroundup(a)k-sit.com

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Nov '05

30 Nov '05

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Clearing out lots of old PC's
by Jamie Curtis 30 Nov '05

30 Nov '05

Hi all, I have a number of older PC's that I need to get rid of. All ran linux fine while in use. Most of these are yours for some small donation to WLUG. I just want them gone. First come, first served, e-mail me off list if you want one. Details on the wiki: http://www.wlug.org.nz/GarageSale Cheers, Jamie

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sudo and writing to /var/log
by Bnonn 30 Nov '05

30 Nov '05

Hi everyone, I'm writing a small script to automate backing up to a remote machine using rsync. As part of the script, I'm directing stdout from rsync to /var/log/b.netbackup.log. The problem I'm having is in actually outputting said stdout. I run all my scripts with user privileges only, escalating to root only those commands within the script that need it. This has various benefits in my eyes: 1. Principle of least privilege; why run a whole script as root when you can just run certain bits of it? 2. No need to error-check UID=0 3. Anyone in the sudoers group can run the script. So normally I just type the script name from the dollar prompt, rather than sudoing it. Inside the script itself, rsync is run with sudo, so as to both read certain files in /etc/ which have 0600 umasks, and also to be able to output to the log file in /var/log. HOWEVER You would think (or at least, I do) that something like "sudo rsync options source destination >> /var/log/logfile" would NOT give you a permission denied error. Similarly with "sudo date > /var/log/logfile". But you would be dead wrong. Running the entire script with sudo (ie, sudo b.netbackup) will work fine, as will running it from a hash prompt. Anyone got any ideas why I can't write to a log file using sudo? Hopefully it isn't something really obvious that will demonstrate my fundamental lack of understanding of how Linux works... Regards, Bnonn

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Re: [wlug] hoiho moving - service disruption
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

> From: Craig Box [mailto:craig(a)dubculture.co.nz] > > http://www.orcon.net.nz/images/international_traffic.gif > > You were saying? ;) > > They now (very rightfully) deprioritise P2P. I was taking that into account actually, they still aren't quite up to IHUG in terms of latency but it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. I suspect IHUG already deprioritised P2P which would seem true if you try and use port 6881 for anything ;) Before Orcon started doing that they were having delays of up to 6000ms at peak times hitting overseas servers. It was virtually unusable for any real time applications (i.e. like gaming). Thankfully things have improved a lot now and the difference is slight. Matt

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Re: [wlug] hoiho moving - service disruption
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

> From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] > > Hmm Methinks I should have a look at Orcon's plans. after all > the best support I could give would be to use them as my ISP, > and IHUG's recent cap reduction on my plan still sits poorly with me. Not to belittle Orcon's support of the LUG or their great no-cap policy but from my own experience and a group of Orcon/IHUG users I know, Orcon's latencies are a little lacking at times compared with IHUG's. This isn't a dig at Orcon, in fact more power to them I'd say. My respect for them has grown too hearing they are supporting the LUG. The truth is, most people would probably not even notice but it's better to say it up front now rather than have those few to whom low latencies matter switch only to have some trouble. I blame all the heavy downloaders that love Orcon's no-cap plans personally. One other thing worth mentioning, Orcon probably loses money on consumer broadband as most ISPs do. If you really want to support them financially, buy their dialup, tolls or hosting services. Matt Browne

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 27 Nov '05

27 Nov '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A WLUG meeting is booked for this date. Date: Monday 28 November Time: 7:30pm Location: J.1.10 at WaikatoUniversity If you're seeing this message, feel free to suggest or offer to present a meeting topic - the MeetingTopics page might be a good place to start.

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LUG Roundup Competition
by Karin Purser 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

Hi All, The first competition for the LUG Roundup has been announced and is now open. "Community Member of the Year" is open to all within the Linux community. The competition was opened at last nights LA Live from SLUG. Closing Date is 16th December at 5pm. All entries are to be sent in writing to comp.lugroundup(a)k-sit.com Entries are to be submitted in the form of 500 words or less. You either enter yourself or nominate a person you feel is deserving of the title, detailing how they have contributed to the community. Please include Name, Email address for the entrant, State and Suburb. We have 4 independant judges that will be judging each entry on merit. The winner will be notified and announced in the final episode for the year on 24th December. The winner will recieve a concession ticket to LCA2006 in Dunedin and $200 cash to assist them in getting there. Don't forget you will need a passport to travel to New Zealand.

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hoiho moving - service disruption
by Matt Brown 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

Hi All, As many of you probably know from previous posts to the list earlier this week hoiho's current hosting arrangements are coming to an end. Over the weekend we'll be moving hoiho from its current home at Tintz Digital to the Orcon Internet datacentre. Unfortunately most services offered by hoiho (HTTP, SMTP, POP, IMAP, etc) may be unavailable at various times over the course of the weekend. We are endeavouring to keep downtime to a minimum of course! Hoiho should be back up and running at full steam in its new home from mid Monday morning onwards. I'm sure I speak for everyone in the LUG when I extend a big thank you to Tintz for their generous hosting of hoiho to this point, and also to Orcon Internet for taking over the hosting of hoiho at this point. Sorry for the late notice about this change. If you have any questions or urgent problems over the weekend my contact details are below and please feel free to contact me. Kind Regards -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz

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Meeting update
by Craig Box 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

There -will- be a meeting on Monday. Lindsay is currently trying to finalise plans for a keynote speaker to present to the WLUG; failing that please come along with a list of your favourite Linux tips/tricks, perhaps concentrating on anything you use and surprised that collegues and friends don't seem to be aware of. Craig

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

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O3 - Open Source Enterprise Data Networking
by Daniel Lawson 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

Hi, As seen on /., a new open source magazine had it's first release today. The FTP servers are heavily overloaded, and the bittorrent was fairly slow, so I thought I'd link to a copy I've downloaded. http://www.meta.net.nz/~daniel/o3/

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problems connecting to the website
by Raymond Burgess 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

Hey All. I have been having a lot of trouble connecting to the Wlug website recently. It's been at least a week, mayeb two since I remember being able to connect. I'm having the same problems from the Office and at home. I tried it from Olivers place last night and he also couldn't connect. Oliver has a different ISP. As I'm in Melbourne all of these attempts would probably use the same link to reach to New Zealand. All of these attempts where using Firefox. I have now attempted to view the site from a couple of US based machines using lynxs and from home using links and have had better success, although not what I expected. One of the US machines complained initially with [socket failed: family 10 addr 2002:d237:12fa::1 port 80.] this is probably due to having a badly setup ipv6 config. It then falls back to using ipv4 and works, but at bytes per second, 100 *bytes* per second. Which is very very slow. I see the same speed from the other machines, no ipv6 error tho. Has there been any changes made tot he server config in the last month? I know that another wlug list member was having trouble connecting earlier in the year which I think was resolved once their ISP fixed up some routing issue. I no longer have any NZ based shell accounts so I can't do any further testing, I assume it's ok inside NZ otherwise someone would have mentioned something earlier. Does anyone have any suggestions for diagnosing connectivity issues like these? I guess a step by step process for diagnosing such things would make a good page for the Wiki. Raymond

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Here we go again...
by Craig Box 22 Nov '05

22 Nov '05

Another IE vulnerability. Are we all running Firefox yet? http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1891749,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K000 0594 Craig

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LA Live this Friday
by Karin Purser 22 Nov '05

22 Nov '05

Ladies and Gentlemen, I invite you to gather around your digital wireless this Friday night as episode ten of the Linux Australia Update is streamed live from the Sydney Linux User Group. That's right folks, we are going live starting at 19:00 EDST (16:00 WA. 18:30 SA/NT, 18:00 QLD). We will be featuring talks with both the Waughs, Jeff will be talking about his recent "Badger,Badger,Badger" Tour and Pia will be bringing us up to date on what is happening with Linux Australia. As if that wasn't enough, we have managed to rope Matt Palmer in to talk about Debian and we have a competition to announce. Not only that but we will also interacting with you dear listener through the miracle of IRC. Come along to the #slug channel on irc.freenode.net and join in the merriment as we go live. Links to the streams will be posted on http://live.slug.org.au closer to the date. -- James Purser Chief Talking Guy - Linux Australia Update http://k-sit.com - My Blog http://la-pod.k-sit.com - Linux Australia Update Blog and Forums Skype: purserj1977

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Visio equivalent for Linux
by Ian McDonald 21 Nov '05

21 Nov '05

Folks, What do people use mainly? I was going to use Dia from Gnome but this project doesn't seem to be moving ahead so going to use kivio. I will update the Wiki with what I find. Requirements: - vector based as doing diagrams rather than pictures - ability to export to a format suitable for LaTeX (EPS or similar should be fine). Ian -- Ian McDonald http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 WAND Network Research Group University of Waikato New Zealand

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Job vacancy
by Craig Box 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

IT Partners are looking for a systems administrator to work in a Linux/Unix/Windows environment, based in Hamilton. http://www.seek.co.nz/users/apply/index.ascx?JobId=5953462 All enquiries through the contacts listed on the ad, please. Craig

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A WLUG meeting is booked for this date. If you're seeing this message, feel free to suggest or offer to present a meeting topic - the MeetingTopics page might be a good place to start.

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Cool process utility
by Craig Box 18 Nov '05

18 Nov '05

Hate having processes die because of kernel upgrades? The thought of losing your irssi scrollback just too much for you? http://cryopid.berlios.de/ Compile (I needed zlib1g-dev on my Ubuntu machine which had build-essentials installed) and then run 'freeze' to save processes to disk. You start the process again by executing the file that it saves - there is no 'thaw' utility It can't save a screen session, but you can save the processes inside them and rescreen. Craig

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Committee minutes
by Craig Box 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

Hi everyone, Committee minutes are now up at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2005-11-17. Our potential speaker for November is unavailable, so if anyone wants to present a topic or can suggest someone who might be able to present a meeting, please contact me off-list. Thanks Craig (P.S. earlybird registrations for linux.conf.au close today. Pay now if you're going.)

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NAT rule entry for DSL-302G modem
by Leslie Katz 17 Nov '05

17 Nov '05

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:40:06 +0000, Camster342 <camster342(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Although not exactly a solution to the problem you're having with the >CLI, did you remember to save & reboot or at least save after you'd >entered the NAT rule? Thats been my downfall _many_ a time. Many thanks! The D-Link document, "Opening Ports in DSL-302G Modem", makes no reference to doing a separate save, but implies that clicking on "submit" once you've added your rule equals saving. As a result of what you wrote, I went back and read the modem manual. It wasn't very clear either about what you do once you've created a NAT rule, but other parts of it led me to believe that, when I'd added my rule, I should go to "Administration", "Save & Reboot" and then press "Save". I did that and now my rule survives powering off. Thanks again.

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NAT rule entry for DSL-302G modem
by Leslie Katz 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

I'm sorry to bother people about this again. What I thought was a solution to an earlier problem turns out not to have been a permanent one. I wanted to open some ports in the above modem, but couldn't access the modem's internal web server using Firefox for Linux. I was, however, able to do so using Internet Explorer (on my dual-boot computer) and to create an appropriate NAT rule. Then, when I restarted the computer and booted into Linux, the rule I'd created in Windows persisted in Linux. However, when I later powered the computer (and modem) down and then powered up again, the rule I'd created was gone. Since the WLUG wiki page on the modem referred to using the CLI and to some material about doing so, I got that material and studied it. I then did the following: - booted into Windows; - (re)created my NAT rule via the Web interface; - restarted in Linux; - tested the rule, which worked; - opened the CLI and issued the command to get me the rule, which worked; - issued the command to delete the rule, which worked; - issued the command to (re)create the rule, which failed. Here's the output: ******************* Welcome to Titanium ******************* D-Link Corp., Software Release R2.01M.B34.AU(021206a/T93.3.44) Copyright (c) 2001-2002 by D-Link Corp. login: admin password: Login Successful $get nat rule entry ruleid 2 Rule Id : 2 Flavor : REDIRECTION Interface : ALL Protocol : ANY Local addr from : 10.1.1.3 Local addr to : 10.1.1.3 Dest addr from : 0.0.0.0 Dest addr to : 255.255.255.255 Global addr from : 0.0.0.0 Global addr to : 0.0.0.0 Dest port from : 5235 Dest port to : 5237 Local port : 0 $delete nat rule entry ruleid 2 Entry Deleted $create nat rule entry ruleid 2 rdr destportfrom 5235 destportto 5237 lcladdrfro m 10.1.1.3 lcladdrto 10.1.1.3 Error: Invalid command $ I then rebooted into Windows and tried to (re)create the rule via telnet. Again, I got the invalid command message. I then tried simply to create a rule which appeared in the material about using the CLI. It wouldn't work either. If anyone can give any suggestion about what I'm doing wrong, I'd be very grateful. Thanks. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

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Microsoft's marketing juggernaut
by Craig Box 16 Nov '05

16 Nov '05

How can we compete? I don't think I can ever advocate development on Linux again. http://www.microsoft.com/korea/events/ready2005/vs_song.asp Craig

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Fwd: [lca-announce] linux.conf.au 2006: REMINDER: Early bird registrations
by Ian McDonald 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: lca-announce-admin(a)lists.linux.org.au <lca-announce-admin(a)lists.linux.org.au> Date: Nov 15, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: [lca-announce] linux.conf.au 2006: REMINDER: Early bird registrations To: lca-announce(a)lists.linux.org.au 2006 - Dunedin, NZ! linux.conf.au is the annual Australian Linux technical conference, and is one of the largest gatherings of users and developers of Free and Open Source Software in the Southern Hemisphere. It is an opportunity for developers and groups to present their ideas amongst peers, and for the Free Software and Open Source communities to gather in general. Summary: Reminder: Early bird registrations close in 3 days! The 2006 conference is being held in Dunedin, New Zealand, at The University of Otago[1]. More information can be found on the conference website: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/ Early bird registrations for linux.conf.au 2006 close in 3 days! Hi folks, Just a quick reminder that early bird registrations for linux.conf.au 2006 close in just over three days, at midnight on Friday the 18th of November. Please be aware that this date and time is in NZDT, which is currently equivalent to UTC +1300. So, if you're keen to join us in January in Dunedin and wish to claim the early bird pricings on a Professional or Hobbyist registration, please head on over and register at: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/register/register.php If you've already registered, a reminder that to claim the early bird discount, your registration needs to be paid in full before midnight on Friday. See you in January! Please feel free to forward this announcement to your local LUG, or any other person or group that would be interested! [1]: http://www.otago.ac.nz/ Regards, Mike Beattie, linux.conf.au 2006 Organisers _______________________________________________ lca-announce mailing list lca-announce(a)lists.linux.org.au http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/lca-announce -- Ian McDonald http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 WAND Network Research Group University of Waikato New Zealand

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business

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Installing Skype on Ubuntu [Rant]
by Mathew Carley 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

It seems to be to have more "stuff" with it: which may or may not be a good thing, depending on your opinion. Apps and Eye candy are also a bit helpful in the choice: not just for me, either. I will put it this way... with the exception of MPlayer (matter of preference for media players) and programs like Skype, there is very little else that needs to be installed on a brand-spanking new install of SuSE, and most of the dependancies for these programs (except maybe the Win32 codecs for MPlayer) are already included and configured with the System. As I said, I still like Ubuntu, and am now considering running Ubuntu on my laptop (lightweight distro, at least, until I put some more RAM in it) and SuSE on my desktop (When I build it). It is possible that I am biased because I am more familiar with SuSE than I am with Ubuntu - it is the distro that rescued me from the "Red Hat = Linux" mindset (RH was what I had been using for most of my "Linux life"). It is also the distro of choice when I install Linux for other people (if not only for the eye candy. In saying that, though, I don't see why I can't resurrect some old hardware with the aide of Ubuntu, given that SuSE can be a heavyweight on old systems, if the people whom I am moving off of Windows don't want to buy a Mac Mini or something. So yeah: After using Breezy for a couple of days, I do now like Ubuntu as a distro; despite my being a sucker for eye-candy, though if I end up using it more than a week (quite likely at this point), then I'll start customizing Gnome with some themes and custom icons and all that. Consider my rant over. I now like Ubuntu more than I did the other day. But I still like KDE as well - I'm sure I can add it on somehow (I use both UIs... they both have certain features I like about each one, so...) When I have time... Mathew > > However, all is well now (until my hard drive and more RAM arrives), > > at which time it will be a tougher decision than originally anticipated > to > > choose between SuSE 10 and Breezy. It hasn't taken long (or much) > > to like Ubuntu so far, though as a "full featured" distro, I will probably > > > end up with SuSE. > > I'm interested to learn in which way Ubuntu is not "full featured"? > > Craig -- Regards Mathew Carley HostENZ Data Services A Carley Network Media Ltd. (NZ) Company http://www.hostenz.co.nz mathewc(a)hostenz.co.nz Office Phone (Helsinki): +358 9 2316 3712 Cell Phone (Finland): +358 4 0816 2816 Cell Phone (France): +33 6 1811 9475 Skype: mgcarley The information contained in this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential to Carley Network Media Ltd and it's subsidiaries, and may contain proprietary information or may be legally privileged. See http://www.cnmltd.net/email/ for our standard email disclaimer. Errors & Omissions Excepted. Prices in this email do not include GST unless stated otherwise.

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Linux for Grandmother
by Mathew Carley 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

Going on from my previous post, would you all mind if I sent my grandmother to the next installfest and/or meeting? I threw together a SuSE 9.1 Personal system on an old box just before I left NZ, and they took the box home from my parents place the other day. What they seem to use the computer for is: Internet Email Office (Writer, Calc, Impress mostly). Is there a publisher equivalent that you would recommend? I hate publisher myself, but... yeah. Not a whole lot else. I don't mind whether you leave SuSE on the box or if you "upgrade" it to Breezy, I am happy to support either from the other side of the globe. It needs to have **A VNC server installed and configured for me to be able to do this as well, so... yeah. **A nice, easy, clean, pretty interface. **I don't think it would have to be too similar to Windows 98. Box specification is (as I said, old) Cel366/128/6GB/CD, Modem, Sound Blaster 16... Used to be in mums shop before she upgraded. I'm sure she wouldn't mind paying for some tuition as well, but I have made the suggestion that she might go there. -- Regards Mathew Carley HostENZ Data Services A Carley Network Media Ltd. (NZ) Company http://www.hostenz.co.nz mathewc(a)hostenz.co.nz Office Phone (Helsinki): +358 9 2316 3712 Cell Phone (Finland): +358 4 0816 2816 Cell Phone (France): +33 6 1811 9475 Skype: mgcarley The information contained in this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential to Carley Network Media Ltd and it's subsidiaries, and may contain proprietary information or may be legally privileged. See http://www.cnmltd.net/email/ for our standard email disclaimer. Errors & Omissions Excepted. Prices in this email do not include GST unless stated otherwise.

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Two new library books
by Craig Box 15 Nov '05

15 Nov '05

Hi everyone, Two new books arrived today, thanks to O'Reilly. Linux Desktop Pocket Guide: Advice for running five popular distributions (Fedora, Gentoo, Mandriva, SUSE and Ubuntu) on a desktop or laptop http://library.wlug.org.nz/show.pl?id=47 Asterisk: The Future of Telephony: Join the Open Source PBX Revolution http://library.wlug.org.nz/show.pl?id=48 Please use either of the links above if you'd like to borrow either book. Regards, Craig

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Links in PhpWiki
by Chris O'Halloran 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

Hello, I have set up a Phpwiki using my Suse Linux Box on the company lan and using Apache, Php, MySql using the code from the Phpwiki site. I've manage to get it all going quite nicely many of the staff are keen to use it as a collaborative documentation site for keeping each other informed of the latest technical information available or the gotcha's you find working with different manufacturers equipment. I've got the linking to other pages, webpages and email addresses working fine. What I was know wanting to know was how to link to various documents etc we might have on our servers. It's an MS Active directories network. I can link to documents I put on the webserver easily enough but what about P:\Library\Electrical\Transpower\Standards\ABC.pdf Any hints appreciated. Chris -- http://homepages.maxnet.co.nz/dusky/ ICQ: 213449133 Jabber: cmoman1(a)jabber.org Jabber: cmoman1(a)jabber.meta.net.nz Yahoo: cmoman1

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Re: [wlug] Installing Skype on Ubuntu [Rant]
by Mathew Carley 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

> > > Here's why I'm a bit frustrated at the moment with Ubuntu: > > >>I think it's a bit short sighted to blame your problems on a Ubuntu when > >>the problem is caused by a non-free application being distributed in > >>binary only form. The blame should be appropriately placed with Skype. You are quite right, perhaps I should have "blamed" Skype for the lack of appropriate support for a still young (yet surprisingly mature) distro. Keeping in mind it was a bit of a rant as to why (in this particular instance) I prefer(red) SuSE, and also this install of Ubuntu was to revive/choke out the last life of this laptops hard drive, and is not of any real importance, shall we say. I have since installed breezy, and had Skype working within minutes, all appropriate packages downloaded through Synaptic (yay no dpkg!) and so on. I've even changed totem-gstreamer to totem-xine with xine-ui and was able to get the multimedia stuff working quite quickly. I must say, 6 months of obviously hard work has made a huge difference to Ubuntu, and I must congratulate all who develop in and around it. > I wanted to install Skype. Skype is a KDE app, (and it looks ugly in > > Gnome - there are workarounds, but aside from that). It requires > > libqt3-xxxxxxxx. > > > > Firstly, I was trying to install it from the .deb package distributed > > on skype.com <http://skype.com> (skype_1.2.0.18-1_i386). > > >>Luckily, as fulfilling as it is to be a Free software zealot and say > >>it's all Skype's fault there are more pragmatic members of the community > >>who are happy to put time and effort into make non-free software like > >>Skype work seemlessly. My experience with Hoary was not nearly as pleasant as the one with Breezy. I must say that I much prefer Breezy over Hoary (surprised) and it is so much quicker than SuSE 9.3, but this may be due to the light-weight nature of the distro and the fact that I have bugger all installed on a clean (but slowly dying) hard drive and clean /home partition. To get Skype working nicely on Ubuntu you need to look no further than > the Ubuntu Guide (http://ubuntuguide.org) which links to nicely > built .debs for Ubuntu that I've used successfully from Warty -> Hoary > and now for Breezy. > > See specifically http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype Correct. Once again - instructions worked fine with Breezy, but not so well with Hoary. After reading the rest of your email and the packages you installed I'm > surprised that your box still works at all! So was I. In fact, I went so far as to leave the laptop on until I was able to download and burn the Breezy ISO the next morning (after some sleep). In saying that, I did end up having to reboot it, as for some reason it thought the CD-RW drive was busy, and, well, yeah. Believe it or not, the system did boot, apparantely without error; though there were a few complaints that it couldn't talk to locale (unsurprisingly). However, all is well now (until my hard drive and more RAM arrives), at which time it will be a tougher decision than originally anticipated to choose between SuSE 10 and Breezy. It hasn't taken long (or much) to like Ubuntu so far, though as a "full featured" distro, I will probably end up with SuSE. Or I could partition the drive and just have both, sharing a /home partition (with different user-folders) - Ubuntu for lightweight applications (eg when I'm on the tram and need to write down a URL, for example) and SuSE for my Development Stuff or something. -- Regards Mathew Carley HostENZ Data Services A Carley Network Media Ltd. (NZ) Company http://www.hostenz.co.nz mathewc(a)hostenz.co.nz Office Phone (Helsinki): +358 9 2316 3712 Cell Phone (Finland): +358 4 0816 2816 Cell Phone (France): +33 6 1811 9475 Skype: mgcarley The information contained in this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential to Carley Network Media Ltd and it's subsidiaries, and may contain proprietary information or may be legally privileged. See http://www.cnmltd.net/email/ for our standard email disclaimer. Errors & Omissions Excepted. Prices in this email do not include GST unless stated otherwise.

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Ubuntu Breezy (5.10) CD's
by Jamie Curtis 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

I have just recieved an Ubuntu Breezy ShipIt delivery of CD's for distribution via the CS department here at Waikato. There are Ubuntu sets (one install, one live CD) for x86, x86-64 and Mac available. You can get yourself one by visiting the CS office on the 1st floor of G-Block at the Uni. Please only take as many CD's as you need, we do have a limited quantity. Cheers, Jamie

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D-Link DSL-302G modem queries
by Leslie Katz 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

My apologies to all those who kindly replied to my post on the above subject for not acknowledging those replies sooner. I was required to be away from the computer for a few days. Encouraged by some of those replies to do so, I re-configured the modem in Windows, using the instructions from the D-Link Australia site. I then switched into Linux and found that the changes did what I'd hoped (at least for now!). My thanks to everyone.

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Episode 9 of the LUG Roundup
by Karin Purser 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

Hi All, Episode 9 of the LUG Roundup is now available. This fortnight we speak with Matt Brown from Waikato LUG in New Zealand. Sorry for the lateness of the post to notify, but due to technical problems(my computer dying) mid week I lost everything. So you can find the pods at the following links http://mirror.linux.org.au http://la-pod.k-sit.com Cherio Karin lugroundup(a)k-sit.com

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Installing Skype on Ubuntu [Rant]
by Mathew Carley 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

Today I "rescued" my laptop (temporary measure as it needs the hard disk replaced) by installing Ubuntu Hoary over what was SuSE 9.3. 1. Yes, I know I could get breezy. It would take <5 minutes to download on my connection here (Yay for 40 megabits). 2. SuSE 10 will be going on the new hard drive, anyway. [That DVD ISO took around 2 hours] Here's why I'm a bit frustrated at the moment with Ubuntu: I wanted to install Skype. Skype is a KDE app, (and it looks ugly in Gnome - there are workarounds, but aside from that). It requires libqt3-xxxxxxxx. Firstly, I was trying to install it from the .deb package distributed on skype.com <http://skype.com> (skype_1.2.0.18-1_i386). Err, no - turns out I needed libqt3c102-mt_3.3.4-3_i386. So I download it. I read that I can use libqt3-mt_3.3.5-1_i386 instead, which is supposed to be a better way... I thought hrm... I should only need this package and maybe one other... but no. Next, it tells me that I need (insert several GCC-related libraries and supporting packages * 6) Why is none of this mentioned on any of the forums I ended up going to? Long story short: Here is what I ended up downloading and installing with dpkg (and for some parts I used Synaptic, but I couldn't make a local repository? What about apt-get? Would that have made life easier?): cpp-4.0_4.0-0pre6ubuntu7_i386 gcc-4.0_4.0-0pre6ubuntu7_i386 gcc-4.0-base_4.0.2-3_i386 initrd-tools_0.1.81.1_i386 [and Ubuntu versions of initrd-tools 0.1.77 and 0.1.78; however they wouldn't work with libc6] libc6_2.3.5-6_i386 libfontconfig1_2.3.2-1_i386 libgcc1_4.0.2-2_i386 libqt3c102-mt_3.3.4-3_i386 [which was replaced with libqt3-mt_3.3.5-1_i386] libqt3-mt_3.3.5-1_i386 libstdc++6_4.0.2-3_i386 libxrender1_0.9.0-2_i386 nscd_2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14_i386 and of course skype_1.2.0.18-1_i386 Not only did I have to get the required versions of these files from ftp.fi.debian.org/ <http://ftp.fi.debian.org/>, but the Ubuntu versions were "outdated" in terms of version numbering. According to most of what I read, I should have just needed to resolve 1 or 2 things (ended up downloading the repackaged skype .deb from a link posted on the Ubuntu Forums). Now, aside from all that, when I went to install libc6_2.3.5-6_i386, I found it conflicted with initrd-tools. Which is a vital part of the OS, if I am not mistaken. However at some stage over the several hours I was installing and figuring all this out, it installed. At some stage Synaptic decided that it would be a good idea (well, it asked, and there didn't appear to be any "argh! don't do that!" option) to remove most of the base system because I no longer had initrd-tools. So I downloaded initrd-tools 0.1.81, installed that, but now I want to install things like locale, but it won't because it needs a whole lot of other things. I think if I reboot this machine it... well... won't. Perhaps I will download and install Breezy and give the same task a go. As I mentioned originally, installing Ubuntu on this hard-drive was just a temporary measure so that I could at least browse the net. I like Ubuntu, but I felt that I really had to stuff around to get this app installed (and even then it doesn't seem to quite work correctly). Did I just have a bad experience (that perhaps I shouldn't have?) Maybe I have been somewhat spoiled by SuSE, and I don't use Debian-based Distros that often, so I'm not as used to them, but has anyone else experienced similar problems? This is the part where you all go: you didn't need to do all that, you should have .... :-) -- Regards Mathew Carley HostENZ Data Services A Carley Network Media Ltd. (NZ) Company http://www.hostenz.co.nz mathewc(a)hostenz.co.nz Office Phone (Helsinki): +358 9 2316 3712 Cell Phone (Finland): +358 4 0816 2816 Cell Phone (France): +33 6 1811 9475 Skype: mgcarley The information contained in this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential to Carley Network Media Ltd and it's subsidiaries, and may contain proprietary information or may be legally privileged. See http://www.cnmltd.net/email/ for our standard email disclaimer. Errors & Omissions Excepted. Prices in this email do not include GST unless stated otherwise.

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 173, Issue 12
by Mathew Carley 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

>Did you check that this package was compiled for your distribution? >Ie was that .deb for ubuntu hoary, or was it for debian sarge? .deb is >just a packaging format, it doesn't magically work on any computer that >can install .deb files, just like you can't assume a Red hat .rpm will >work on mandriva. See http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/ Debian package <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb> (7.7 MB) Xandros, MEPIS, Ubuntu, other Debian-based distros Apparantely it was. Whether or not "Debian-based distros" is accurate is up to the development team. After reading a bit, I downloaded a version from ubuntuforums.org<http://ubuntuforums.org>that someone had re-compiled to work "correctly" with Ubuntu - which still didn't seem to work. >What provider offers 40mbit connection(s) in NZ ? Seems a rather odd >shape for bandwidth allocation. 1. No bandwidth provider offers 40mbit connections in New Zealand. I am currently living in Finland. 2. Yes, you are correct, it is unusual. I think it's actually rated at 48Mbits, but I typically get around 4000 *kilobytes* per second in actual download speed (total). I posted a screenshot of my downloading of the Breezy ISO from Denmark (not using a download manager other than the one that comes with firefox). The file came in at a measly average of 2950 kilobytes per second. (I have also used Ibiblio.org <http://Ibiblio.org> and got similar speeds). The screenshot is at http://www.mathew-carley.com/images/screenshot.png. >Sometimes Debian packages will work on Ubuntu, but that is only >coincidence. >If a package doesn?t work because it was made for Debian, not >Ubuntu, don?t even dream of installing other Debian packages to >make it run. You?ll tear up your system, but you won?t achieve a >working install. I figured that I was having a problem such as this, but wanted to see how far I could take it and if I could actually get it to work. I can load up skype and see my buddy list, but if I want to use voice or even text chat? Forgetaboutit! -- Regards Mathew Carley HostENZ Data Services A Carley Network Media Ltd. (NZ) Company http://www.hostenz.co.nz mathewc(a)hostenz.co.nz Office Phone (Helsinki): +358 9 2316 3712 Cell Phone (Finland): +358 4 0816 2816 Cell Phone (France): +33 6 1811 9475 Skype: mgcarley The information contained in this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential to Carley Network Media Ltd and it's subsidiaries, and may contain proprietary information or may be legally privileged. See http://www.cnmltd.net/email/ for our standard email disclaimer. Errors & Omissions Excepted. Prices in this email do not include GST unless stated otherwise.

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D-Link DSL-302G modem queries
by Leslie Katz 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

I use the above modem, connected to my Ethernet port, with Fedora Core 3, kernel version 2.6.12-1.1378. I wanted to try out an application called Qnext, which is, among other things, a videoconferencing application. However, it insisted that the ports it required on my machine for incoming communications were not accesible by external contacts. Looking for the reason why that was, I found at the Australian D-Link site information about opening ports in the modem and realised that that was my problem. The D-Link information was for Windows only, so I looked on the Web to try to find information applicable to Linux. That led me to the WLUG Wiki page on the DSL-302G. That page contains the fullest information available on the topic, at least according to my Google searches I'm posting this because I'm hopeful that a subscriber to the list has followed the instructions on the Wiki page successfully to open a port. Unfortunately, I haven't even been able to take the first step, accessing the modem's internal web server. My Linux browser is Firefox. When I ask it to go to 10.1.1.1, I'm prompted for the user name and password and I give those and press Enter. Then, the browser says that it's waiting for 10.1.1.1 and never connects. My computer is dual-booting and my Windows browser is Firefox too. I tried to access 10.1.1.1 with it and had exactly the same result. I also have Internet Explorer and when I go through the same routine with it, I get the modem's internal web server instantaneously. Here are my questions: 1. Is there some thing I should be doing to access the server in Linux Firefox? 2. If I can't use Linux Firefox, is there some other browser anyone's used successfully? (I tried lynx, but it wouldn't work, I suppose because of the need for username and password. Maybe one can add those to the lynx command string, but that's way beyond my capabilities.) 3. Finally, I don't understand the effect of changing settings on the modem, but is it possible that changing them through Windows, which I think I could manage, would change them for Linux too? (I don't know how to express the idea technically correctly, but are those changes somehow internal to the modem and independent of the operating system used with the modem?) If anyone can give me information on any of the above questions, I'd be very grateful. Leslie PS: Ian McDonald, who kindly directed me to this list, said he thought that there'd been some discussion on this list recently about my modem. I searched for "302" by thread for each month for 2005, but found nothing. Perhaps the thread didn't make reference to that number. In any event, if you see this, Ian, I wouldn't want you to think I didn't bother trying the archives first.

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debianhelp new website - www.debianhelp.co.uk
by gg gg234 09 Nov '05

09 Nov '05

Hi, This new website is having some basic information about debian and still it is under development stage and you can post your comments about this website .This website might help for some users. www.debianhelp.co.uk Best regards

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Totem Music Player
by Ivan Potgieter 09 Nov '05

09 Nov '05

Craig Box wrote: > Gstreamer in Breezy isn't all that good at keeping sync with all files. > Try using mplayer or totem-xine. Totem-xine did the trick. Just use synaptic to install it and it works well. Many thanks, Ivan

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greig mcgill
by David Nicholls 08 Nov '05

08 Nov '05

sorry this is a bit off topic but can you please contact me greig? the contact details i have for you are a bit stuffed and i need to have a quick chat please. cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant d.nicholls at waikato.ac.nz School of Science & Engineering / Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato Hamilton, New Zealand

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Totem Music Player
by Ivan Potgieter 08 Nov '05

08 Nov '05

Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > What codec is in use? As noted before, I'm using various gstreamer0.8 plug-ins. > MPlayer often has synch problems with Real-encoded films I am not using MPlayer and I'm not sure what Real-encoded refers to. > ... sometimes the file is really screwy ... These all play correctly on my Win2k PC, so it's not the files themselves. The files-types I've tried inlcude: mp3, mp3, mpg, avi, wmf, mpe, and others. I have tried as many as I can, but they all have the audio playing about 0.5 - 1 sec after the video. Ivan

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Totem Music Player
by Ivan Potgieter 07 Nov '05

07 Nov '05

Hello all, I've just tried to play a video clip on Totem Music Player (Ubuntu 5.10/Gnome) and the audio is not synched with the video. I have installed various gstreamer plug-ins. Has anyone else experienced this? What can be done to correct this? Regards, Ivan

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FW: Linux Research - Request For Assistance
by Craig Box 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Another message for the LUG from afar. Craig ________________________________ From: Andi Mann [mailto:amann(a)enterprisemanagement.com] Sent: Friday, 4 November 2005 9:55 a.m. To: secretary(a)wlug.org.nz Subject: Linux Research - Request For Assistance Hi, I am a Senior Analyst for Enterprise Management Associates (www.enterprisemanagement.com) a leading IT analyst firm, covering Systems Management technology. We are doing an in-depth research paper on Linux server management, and would like your help to survey the members of the Waikato Linux Users Group. We have posted a web survey, and I would like you to forward this email to your members, asking them to complete the survey. Each survey should take about 10 minutes. The URL for the survey is: http://www.emausa.com/surveys/ema_lsurvey.htm The proposition I am researching is that the total cost of ownership (TCO) for large-scale commercial Linux systems is declining due to availability of more powerful management tools; and that Linux TCO is equal to or less than that of Windows. It is in reaction, in part, to 2004 studies from Meta Group, Yankee, and Microsoft claiming Linux has higher management costs, and higher TCO, than Windows. My research aims to find out if the availability of better management tools has further reduced the cost of Linux ownership. In return, we would be happy to provide any respondents with the completed report. We think this will be a very significant paper, which will help you and your members present independent validation of Linux cost advantages. I would appreciate your help. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thanks, Andi.

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FW: O'Reilly UG Program MAKE Magazine Holiday Offer
by Craig Box 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Hi all, O'Reilly sponsor our group with regular book donations to our library (whenever we order them, hint hint John :) In return, please consider supporting them. Craig -- From: Marsee Henon Hello, Here is a special offer for you to share with your group members. Please pass it along through your newsletters, email lists, or distribute at your next meeting. ***Give the Gift of MAKE Magazine*** Give the geek on your list a truly unique gift this holiday season-- their very own subscription to MAKE magazine. MAKE is the first magazine devoted to digital projects, hardware hacks, and DIY inspiration. Each rich issue brings the do-it-yourself mindset to all the technology in your life. You have a choice: Give a gift for $5 off the regular gift subscription rate--$29.95 (US), $34.95 (Canada), $44.95 (all other countries): <https://www.pubservice.com/mk/SubGiftSplash.aspx?PC=MK&PK=U5OUGA> To place your gift order at the regular price $34.95 (US), $39.95 (Canada), $49.95 (all other countries)--and get a MAKE T-shirt free. <https://www.pubservice.com/mk/SubGiftSplash.aspx?PC=MK&PK=U5OUGB> For more information on MAKE or to read the MAKE Blog, go to: http://makezine.com/ **Please note gift postcards and MAKE vol 4 will begin mailing on 12/9/05, orders received after 12/9/05 and non-US orders may not arrive in time for the holiday season. Your recipient(s) will receive the opportunity to add digital access to their subscription. All MAKE T-shirts will ship to your billing address. To order multiple orders for multiple countries, please contact customer service at 1-866-289-8847 (US & Canada), 1-818-487-2037 (all other countries) between the hours of 5am to 5pm San Francisco time or Email: MAKE(a)espcomp.com Thanks and have a wonderful holiday season, Marsee Henon ================================================================ O'Reilly 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95472 http://ug.oreilly.com/ http://www.oreilly.com ================================================================

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[Fwd: Request to fill-in a questionnaire on Linux.]
by Lindsay Druett 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Request to fill-in a questionnaire on Linux. From: "Ajith Kumar" <Ajith.Kumar(a)boppoly.ac.nz> Date: Wed, November 2, 2005 12:23 pm To: lindsay(a)wired.net.nz -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Lindsay, I'm Ajith Kumar, IT Tutor at Bay of Plenty Polytechnic, Tauranga. I'm doing my Master's Thesis & the topic is on migration of operating system from Microsoft to Linux. Since you are the President of the Waikato Linux Users Group, I was wondering if you'll be able to help me find a few Linux users to fill in my questionnaire, which is online. If I'm not asking for too much would you be able to pass on the information and ask your Linux user group members / friends / colleagues / acquaintances (who work on Linux) to spare 10 minutes to out my questionnaire? The questionnaire can be accessed by clicking the link: http://www.bcs.net.nz/~ajithk/MComp.htm <http://www.bcs.net.nz/~ajithk/MComp.htm> . It shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to complete it. I would also like to find out if some of them would be interested / available for an interview at a later stage. Thanks in advance for your support, appreciate it. Regards, ******************************* Ajith Kumar, IT Tutor, Bay of Plenty Polytechnic, Tauranga, New Zealand. Phone: (+64) 7 5440920 (Extn: 5591) E-mail: ajith.kumar(a)boppoly.ac.nz <blocked::mailto:ajith.kumar(a)boppoly.ac.nz> *******************************

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Survey results
by Craig Box 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

Thanks to everyone who filled in the survey prior to the last AGM. I have published the results, in the format as they were presented at the AGM (along with my speaking notes), on the WLUG website: http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/survey/2005-wlug-survey.pdf Please contact me if you have any further questions; I am happy to clarify certain points if required, but will not publish individual responses. Regards, Craig

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Fwd: [nznog] Update to Telecom Xtra DNS servers
by Ian McDonald 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

For people's info as this may affect you (or your friends) if DNS is not congifured correctly. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ted Grenfell <Ted.Grenfell(a)telecom.co.nz> Date: 02-Nov-2005 08:52 Subject: [nznog] Update to Telecom Xtra DNS servers To: NZNOG <nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> As part of our ongoing DNS service improvements, Telecom is making some changes to it's DNS servers which will affect some non-Telecom customers. The following Xtra name servers will in future only accept queries from Non-Telecom customers for domains that the name servers are authoritative for. Recursive queries for other domains (e.g. www.google.com) will no longer work. * dnsh1.xtra.co.nz ( 202.27.184.3 ) also known as alien.xtra.co.nz * dnsh2.xtra.co.nz ( 202.27.184.5 ) also known as terminator.xtra.co.nz We will be phasing in these changes from November 15th over a period of several weeks and you may wish to alert your help desks to check the DNS settings of users having problems after that. Currently Xtra operates the following recursive DNS services: * dnsc1.xtra.co.nz ( 202.27.158.40 ) * dnsc2.xtra.co.nz ( 202.27.156.72 ) We are happy for external people to query those IP's for DNS troubleshooting and similar purposes but they should not be directly configured into machines. Please note these IP's may change from time to time and external access may be limited or withdrawn without prior warning (especially in cases of abuse). Regards, -- Ted Grenfell, ISP Performance Manager, IS Online Services, Telecom NZ Ltd Mob: +64 274 435 455; DDI: +64 9359 5854; Fax: +64 9377 0781; Pager: +64 2611 1445 ICQ: 191891; MSN Messenger: cameleon @ xtra.co.nz Level 11, 8 Hereford St, Private Bag 92028, Auckland CBD, New Zealand "today was so quiet, you could hear a packet drop" - Tom Liston, ISC Handler's Diary This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. Thank you. Please note that this communication does not designate an information system for the purposes of the Electronic Transactions Act 2002. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- Ian McDonald http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 WAND Network Research Group University of Waikato New Zealand

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Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name
by Chris O'Halloran 31 Oct '05

31 Oct '05

Hello all, Just wondering if anyone might be able to give me some clues here. I started Apache on my system and the following error was returned. Apache seems to operate okay but I was getting a similar kind of error in the log files when I was running Privoxy, an advertisment and cookie crunching proxy server. When the proxy server was operating it was this error that kept slowing the response of the server. /etc/init.d/apache2 start returned 0 (success): Starting httpd2 (prefork) ..done httpd2-prefork: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName Any clues? DNS, host file problem. Running Suse 9.2 on PIII on a company lan. No firewall running on machine. Cheers Chris -- http://homepages.maxnet.co.nz/dusky/ ICQ: 213449133 Jabber: cmoman1(a)jabber.org Jabber: cmoman1(a)jabber.meta.net.nz Yahoo: cmoman1

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Oct '05

31 Oct '05

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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[0T] Linux work available for student or anyone else
by Richard Hayes 31 Oct '05

31 Oct '05

Dear List, I have need of some Linux hacking experience There two different projects. 1. open EMR a)Install and configure openEMR b)Create Debian Package for openEMR c)Customise PHP for different look http://sourceforge.net/projects/openemr 2. InfraRed data capture Using LINC / IrDa-Utils etc to pack sniff an IR signal and translate it into text. Signal source is Roche Blood Glucose monitor. Windows software exist but I do not want a windows computer just to record blood sugars. http://freshmeat.net/projects/lirc/ http://irda.sourceforge.net/ Anyone interested please contact me off-list. regards, ---- Richard Hayes Nada Marketing www.nada.com.au PO Box 12 Gordon Australia 2072 Tel:+(61-2) 9412 4367 Fax: +(61-2) 9412 4920 Mob:+(61) 0414 618 425

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Oct '05

30 Oct '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !! IanMcDonald presents "Contributing to Open Source Projects". Date: Monday 31 October Time: 7:30pmhttp://www.wlug.org.nz/1 Location: I.G.02 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB) at WaikatoUniversity In his presentation, Ian will cover: * wiki-ing * !SourceForge * source code management systems * writing documentation * use of mailing lists (including warnings about flames etc) * submitting code It is aimed at all levels - everyone, even if they can't code, can contribute by testing, documenting etc. Ian has returned to PhD studies at WaikatoUniversity after 15 years in the IT workforce. His research is on congestion control in networking and has contributed to many open source projects, notably including the http://www.wlug.org.nz/DCCP protocol for Linux, which is currently being merged into the main Linux kernel. ---- MeetingTopics http://www.wlug.org.nz/1 As previously discussed at the AGM, all meetings from now on will be held at 7:30pm, as the reasons for holding them earlier in winter no longer apply.

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 27 Oct '05

27 Oct '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !! IanMcDonald presents "Contributing to Open Source Projects". Date: Monday 31 October Time: 7:30pmhttp://www.wlug.org.nz/1 Location: I.G.02 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB) at WaikatoUniversity In his presentation, Ian will cover: * wiki-ing * !SourceForge * source code management systems * writing documentation * use of mailing lists (including warnings about flames etc) * submitting code It is aimed at all levels - everyone, even if they can't code, can contribute by testing, documenting etc. Ian has returned to PhD studies at WaikatoUniversity after 15 years in the IT workforce. His research is on congestion control in networking and has contributed to many open source projects, notably including the http://www.wlug.org.nz/DCCP protocol for Linux, which is currently being merged into the main Linux kernel. ---- MeetingTopics http://www.wlug.org.nz/1 As previously discussed at the AGM, all meetings from now on will be held at 7:30pm, as the reasons for holding them earlier in winter no longer apply.

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WLUG Meeting - Next Monday
by Jamie Curtis 26 Oct '05

26 Oct '05

Due to renovations being carried out in LitB.G.02, the WLUG meeting next Monday (31st) has had to be moved to I.G.02. Ian McDonald will be presenting the topic "Contributing to Open Source Projects". http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-10-31 Note that the start time has also changed from previous meetings to 7.30pm. Unfortunately the room may not be available until shortly before the start time, so please don't turn up too early ! A map of how to get to I.G.02 from LitB.G.02 has been posted on the LitB page on the wiki: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB We will put signs up along the path between LitB and I.G.02 on the night. Cheers, Jamie

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PCI adsl modem.
by Camster342 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

Well i've had a lot of trouble with my adsl modem over the years... All probably being due to my very crappy DLink 302G adsl modem. It has slowly become the bane of my existence... So what I want to do is, one of two things: If possible I would like to get the 302G modem running in bridge mode, so that I can connect to it with pppoe. I have tried numerous times, but my linux box refuses to see the "Access Concentrator" when I try to set up pppoe. I've followed the instructions from DLinks site to use bridge mode, and I've tried using the updated firmware too. Both to no avail. Has anyone managed to get this modem working in full bridge mode, (not the half-bridge mode detailed on the wlug site)? The second option is to buy another modem. I want to try using a internal ADSL modem this time. Does anyone know which modems that are available in New Zealand work under Linux? -- Cameron

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Video Conferencing
by Dave Waddling 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

WLUG List Does anyone know of a video conferencing client that will work with iChat? Or failing that one that will work with ivisit? I have some Mac people to talk to. -- Dave

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microvax 2000 bits
by stephen pearce 25 Oct '05

25 Oct '05

Free to good home .. miscellaneous microvax 2000 bits 19" monitor 2 cpu boxes .. one booting thru bios 1 scsi disc box 2 mice 1 keyboard You collect. We are in Whangarei .. which might be a problem! regards Stephen

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Re: [wlug] Ubuntu said "Ack!!"
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 24 Oct '05

24 Oct '05

Ok. The clean slate worked really well. I downloaded a "breezy" iso then burned a cd image and reinstalled the whole thing. I now have a working (mostly) version of ubuntu. Thanks for the help. Kubuntu = Ubuntu with a kde desktop manager. Right?? Regards John Btw I got kicked out of the states so am looking forward to attending the next meeting JT ----- Original Message Follows ----- > --- jaytee(a)clear.net.nz wrote: > > > Hey all > > I had a problem with the "simple" install of > > Ubuntu > > Hoary which I thought was due to me not paying > > attention to > > the partitioning thus not including a swap space. > > However I retried the install and paid > > attention to > > what happened. Almost at the end of an otherwise > > uneventful > > install the programme said: > > Would suggest you start again with a clean slate. Use > Knoppix and QtParted to wipe current data and to > create a swap partition. I have just put up a HowTo @ > http://www.wlug.org.nz/UbuntuKbuntuInstall > > HTH > Bill > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 23 Oct '05

23 Oct '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !! IanMcDonald presents "Contributing to Open Source Projects". Date: Monday 31 October Time: 7:30pmhttp://www.wlug.org.nz/1 Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB at WaikatoUniversity In his presentation, Ian will cover: * wiki-ing * !SourceForge * source code management systems * writing documentation * use of mailing lists (including warnings about flames etc) * submitting code It is aimed at all levels - everyone, even if they can't code, can contribute by testing, documenting etc. Ian has returned to PhD studies at WaikatoUniversity after 15 years in the IT workforce. His research is on congestion control in networking and has contributed to many open source projects, notably including the http://www.wlug.org.nz/DCCP protocol for Linux, which is currently being merged into the main Linux kernel. ---- MeetingTopics http://www.wlug.org.nz/1 As previously discussed at the AGM, all meetings from now on will be held at 7:30pm, as the reasons for holding them earlier in winter no longer apply.

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USB Headset
by Oliver Jones 23 Oct '05

23 Oct '05

Hi all. A week or more ago I posted about my interest in purchasing a Plantronics USB headset and whether it might work under Linux. Thank you to those who responded to that post. On Friday, after receiving my copy of World of Warcraft, I decided I needed to replace the dodgy analogue Plantronics headset I have with a USB one. It seems the only computer store near my place in Melbourne's CBD that stocked headsets was Harvey Norman and they only stocked Logitech devices. I bought a Logitech® Premium USB Headset 350 <http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/AU/EN,CRID=103,CONTENTID…> and hoped for the best. As expected it works well on Windows for WoW. :) Tonight I decided to test it with Linux and I'm happy to report that getting it to work with Fedora Core 4 was a simple case of plugging it in. Hot plug and udev did their jobs and I could instantly twiddle with the mixer settings in Gnome Mixer and Audacity grabbed audio from /dev/dsp2 without a hitch. I'm well pleased. Regards

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Ubuntu 5.10 Image
by Ivan Potgieter 22 Oct '05

22 Oct '05

Hi all, Many thanks to all those that offered assistance. Bnonn was so kind to burn and deliver me a copy. Many thanks guys, Ivan

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Access to www.wlug.org.nz
by Andrew Thrift 21 Oct '05

21 Oct '05

For around a month now i have not been able to access www.wlug.org.nz from out netblocks 202.49.148.0/24 and 202.49.149.0/24 has anything changed at the WLUG end that could be causing this? The DNS resolves to 210.55.18.250 Regards, Andy

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Orkut
by Alex Vancina 20 Oct '05

20 Oct '05

Hi there, I was browsing your LUG's wiki and I came across a page noting that several of you are members of Orkut. I've been following the development of many of Google's recent 'Beta' services with great interest, but I haven't had an opportunity to try Orkut yet. I was wondering if any of you would be kind enough to help a fellow Linux user out by sending me an invite. I'd greatly appreciate it :) Thanks! Alex Vancina

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[Fwd: Ubuntu 5.10 Server]
by Bnonn 19 Oct '05

19 Oct '05

I hadn't heard anything about this before now, so I suspect that many of you will find this interesting. Regards, Bnonn

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 18 Oct '05

18 Oct '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting Date: 26 October Time: 7:30pm Location: Lindsay's place To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # Fixit meetings # Government's Digital Strategy funding (http://www.beehive.govt.nz/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=24228) # Donation to Creative Commons (http://creativecommons.org/support) # Format for committee meetings # General business

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Ubuntu 5.10 Image
by Ivan Potgieter 17 Oct '05

17 Oct '05

Hi all, As you may or may not know, Ubuntu 5.10 was released last week and I have been trying to download it - unsuccessfully! Yip, I'm still on dialup :-(( Are there any good samaratons out there (in Hamilton) that could supply me with a copy of the i386 release iso (ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso)? Thanks, Ivan

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 16 Oct '05

16 Oct '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A WLUG meeting is booked for this date. If you're seeing this message, feel free to suggest or offer to present a meeting topic - the MeetingTopics page might be a good place to start.

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(OT) Paid work for students or anyone
by Richard Hayes 14 Oct '05

14 Oct '05

Dear list, I have two problems that I will pay to have fixed 1. I have a IR device that works with Windows to upload data. Using Linc record or IrDa-utils I need to capture the data similar to a package sniffer and make it readable in Linux. http://www.lirc.org/ irda.sourceforge.net/ 2. Openemr is a medical patients system and billing system. I would like to hear from anyone to build a Debian package using Sarge. Currently there is a Mandrake RPM so I could use alien but I would prefer a real Debian package. http://sourceforge.net/projects/openemr Please email or call -- Richard Hayes Nada Marketing PO Box 12 Gordon Australia 2072 Tel: +(61-2) 9412 4367 Fax: +(61-2) 9412 4920 Mob: +(61) 0414 618 425 www.nada.com.au

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business

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Fwd: [lca-announce] linux.conf.au 2006: Registrations are open!
by Ian McDonald 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

Folks, This is one of the three premier Linux conferences worldwide which is in NZ next year. Well worth attending if you can. I am presenting a paper at this conference also! Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: lca-announce-admin(a)lists.linux.org.au <lca-announce-admin(a)lists.linux.org.au> Date: 11-Oct-2005 11:59 Subject: [lca-announce] linux.conf.au 2006: Registrations are open! To: lca-announce(a)lists.linux.org.au 2006 - Dunedin, NZ! linux.conf.au is the annual Australian Linux technical conference, and is one of the largest gatherings of users and developers of Free and Open Source Software in the Southern Hemisphere. It is an opportunity for developers and groups to present their ideas amongst peers, and for the Free Software and Open Source communities to gather in general. Summary: Registrations are open! See http://lca2006.linux.org.au/register/ The 2006 conference is being held in Dunedin, New Zealand, at The University of Otago[1]. More information can be found on the conference website: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/ Registrations: The organisers of linux.conf.au 2006 are proud to finally announce that registrations are open. Keynote speakers at the conference are Mark Shuttleworth (instigator of the Ubuntu Linux distribution), Sudhakar "Thaths" Chandrasekharan (co-founder of Linux India), and Damian Conway (Perl 6 Developer and Guru). Some of the other speakers presenting at linux.conf.au 2006 are listed on http://linux.conf.au/speakers.php. This list will grow as more speakers confirm their acceptance to present at linux.conf.au, so check back from time to time. Like previous years the response to the call for papers was overwhelming, with over 150 paper and tutorial submissions received. Selection of the successful submissions was very difficult! Registration fees for linux.conf.au 2006 will be: AU$690 for professional delegates, AU$300 for hobbyist delegates, and a low AU$100 for students. An early bird discount of AU$172 for professional delegates and AU$75 for hobbyist delegates is available for those who register and pay before November 18th 2005 (This brings the prices down to AU$517.50 and AU$225 respectively). Registration for linux.conf.au includes admission to the two days of mini-conferences preceding linux.conf.au. We'll be announcing the miniconfs very soon, so stay tuned! Anyway, without further ado, it's time for you to direct your browser at: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/register/ ... And register so you can join us in January! See you there! Please feel free to forward this announcement to your local LUG, or any other person or group that would be interested! [1]: http://www.otago.ac.nz/ Regards, Mike Beattie, linux.conf.au 2006 Organisers _______________________________________________ lca-announce mailing list lca-announce(a)lists.linux.org.au http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/lca-announce

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Oh the irony of it all.
by Dave Waddling 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3437625a28,00.html -- Dave Waddling

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D-Link 504G Router and Ubuntu Hoary
by Ron Dean 08 Oct '05

08 Oct '05

I have got the router working with WinXP as well as my Ubuntu box however it stopped working on my Linux Box and I suspect it may be a wiring problem is there any way to test the network so I can eliminate software as a cause.

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Weird power
by Kyle Carter 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

Just an inquisitive question. My UPS seemed to go mental last night/this morning (around midnight Sat Oct 1st) flicking between battery and mains repeatedly for a few hours.. But no flickering lights or anything.. Im wondering if anyone else had something similar? Im assuming it may have been the power company doing something weird re: daylight savings? Kyle Carter

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Burning an iso image to cd
by Ron Dean 07 Oct '05

07 Oct '05

I am using k3b burning software on Hoary do I have to alter the settings to burn an iso image

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Using the Sony EyeToy under Linux
by Ian McDonald 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

Folks, While playing around with webcams under Linux I got this working and I've documented this at http://wlug.org.nz/EyeToy I've tested this out with GnomeMeeting and Camorama successfully. I'm sending this to the list as I know many of you may have these at home and it gives you a free webcam (you still need a microphone though). It wasn't well documented on the web either so I thought I might save a few of you the fun I went through :-) Ian

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Interesting Ubuntu article from Mark Shuttleworth (founder)
by Ian McDonald 04 Oct '05

04 Oct '05

Folks, Given how most[1] WLUG members support Ubuntu there is an interesting article here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth Ian [1] as per WLUG survey

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Ubuntu PowerPC and AMD64 CD's
by Jamie Curtis 04 Oct '05

04 Oct '05

Hi, I have a few AMD64/EM64T and PowerPC Ubuntu Hoary (5.04) CD's left over still. They contain both the install and LiveCD variants. Available for collection from the Uni or possibly by post. E-mail me off list for details. Cheers, Jamie

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Re: [wlug] mythtv installation day?
by Justin Hyde 03 Oct '05

03 Oct '05

Thanks for the help Craig, very tempting to go home and try it now, but will have to wait until this evening. I knew that there was more than one way to skin the cat, but couldn't figure out how to integrate the help from the various pages/wikis. What are you experts partial to? Would ice cream persuade you to come along and help? I originally proposed next weekend for an installation day. I think this is too soon now, and I would like to get more experience before such a day. Can the experts please email me privately with a day/evening that is convenient, between now and end of November. I envisage a sat/sun with expert help for a few hours in the morning, and the experimenters can carry on through the day. Or the experimenters can start in the morning and experts turn up for lunch and solve all the problems in the afternoon. Location: my place in Ham East. Content: limited to free to air TV reception Bribery: Ice cream and other food and drink Date to be announced. Expressions of interest from experimenters would be helpful too please.

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Re: [wlug] mythtv installation day?
by Justin Hyde 03 Oct '05

03 Oct '05

>Along those lines, have you ever tried Knoppmyth? It's goal in life is >"KnoppMyth is my attempt at making the Linux and MythTV installation as >trivial as possible. " >http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Well, I tried to get this running on the weekend, (for free to air channels in Hamilton) and with a bit of experience under my belt I think I can ask a couple of targeted questions... I followed the installation instructions found on http:// <http://zaf.geek.nz/projects/mythtv/> zaf.geek.nz/projects/mythtv/ but came across a couple of hang ups. 1. In step 2 of the instructions, it gives details of how to grab the listings from ontv or mrgeek and also how to create a symlink between the tv_grab_nz_mrgeek (or ontv) to the tv_grab_au file that will be selected in the next step. >From what I can understand this tells mythtv where to look for the current tv listings. Am I right in assuming that through this setup mythtv will grab the settings automatically each week, or does that still need to be set up? Is anyone else using the scripts from zaf's webpage? Do the scripts need modification? 2. In step 3, section 3 - "Video sources" of running mythtv-setup as the mythtv user I create a new video source, and called it FTA or similar, and selected the "Australia" option. This creates a file in /home/mythtv/.mythtv called FTA.xmltv If I cancel out of the mythtv-setup program then this file will contain no code. The instructions then say to run mythfilldatabase --manual as the mythtv user but this doesn't work, I get an error along the lines saying that --manual is not a valid option. Any ideas how to proceed from here? What does the FTA.xmltv code look like? Any one got this file for Hamilton? 3. I'm still keen to have a mythtv installation day, who on the committee can help me make this happen? Cheers Justin

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USB Audio and Linux
by Oliver Jones 03 Oct '05

03 Oct '05

Hi Folks. For some unknown reason my plantronics headset makes nasty noises when I'm trying to record voice. Lots of background hum etc. On my laptop the hum is unusably bad. On my media box it isn't so bad. Anyway, I thought I might get a USB Plantronics headset to replace this one. I'm thinking it being a pure digital device the hummmmmm might be avoided. Anyway, I did a little Google for Linux and Plantronics DSP-500 and came up short. It appears to work but people seem to have problems integrating existing soundcards and the USB audio device. Most of these web pages mention old distross or kernels. Has anyone used a recent 2.6 kernel with ALSA and had joy getting two sound cards (or USB audio + sound card) to work well? Thanks. -- Oliver Jones > Roving Code Warrior > http://www.deeperdesign.com/

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MTAs, oh the choices...
by Oliver Jones 03 Oct '05

03 Oct '05

Now that I've got a debian box I have a somewhat more eclectic selection of MTAs. Instead of being "stuck" with sendmail I can select either Postfix or Exim. Currently my box has postfix 2.1.5 installed. But I see that I can install one of the following: Exim 3.36 Exim 4.50 (stable) Exim 4.52 (testing) Postfix 2.2.4 (testing) I know Daniel is fairly familiar with Exim but I know nothing about these alternative MTAs. Can anyone provide sage advice on which has more features, is easier to configure, has powerful plugins, db support, IMAP server integration, virtual domains, spam filtering that sort of thing. Recommendations highly appreciated. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Roving Code Warrior > www.deeperdesign.com

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Distro Question - Terminal Server
by Ivan Potgieter 03 Oct '05

03 Oct '05

Hello all, I am trying to get a 'proof of concept' machine going that will emulate a Terminal (serial port) Server. ie. Connecting via SSH and get access to a com port via a VT100 terminal session. I'm looking for a distro that meets specific requirements: (If anyone can recomend any hadware equivalent devices, that would be appreciated also.) My requirements are (in oder of preference): * SSH * minicom * Good NIC detection * Small resource requirements (pentium I, approx 32MB ram <1GB HDD) * pref LiveCD or simular that will install onto HDD * CLI only - X not required, in fact, I'd prefer no X at all. Most of the mini distros seems to be lacking minicom (usually rescue distros) or are geared towards running some form of mini-X (usually also lacking minicom). The closest distro that I have found that may do the trick, is FreeSCO. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Ivan

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Access to www.wlug.org.nz
by Andrew Thrift 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

For around a month now i have not been able to access www.wlug.org.nz from our netblocks 202.49.148.0/24 and 202.49.149.0/24 has anything changed at the WLUG end that could be causing this? The DNS resolves to 210.55.18.250 Regards, Andy

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Access to www.wlug.org.nz
by Andrew Thrift 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

For around a month now i have not been able to access www.wlug.org.nz from our netblocks 202.49.148.0/24 and 202.49.149.0/24 has anything changed at the WLUG end that could be causing this? The DNS resolves to 210.55.18.250 Regards, Andy

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Re: [wlug] looking for python guru
by David Nicholls 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

ok, what about someone slightly less local? cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: David Nicholls Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2005 3:25 pm hey guys, a friend of mine (runs a web development business) is currently searching for someone local - tauranga/hamilton kinda area - with good python skills. let me know if you think you fit the bill & i'll pass your details on. cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant d.nicholls at waikato.ac.nz School of Science & Engineering / Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato Hamilton, New Zealand

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CFP: Systems Administration Miniconf, linux.conf.au 2006.
by Craig Box 29 Sep '05

29 Sep '05

Call for Presentations Systems Administration Miniconf, linux.conf.au 2006. This is a call for presentations for a 2 day Linux Systems Administration mini conference that will be held as part of the linux.conf.au conference in January 2006. The conference will be held in Dunedin, New Zealand. Miniconferences are held on the first two days, prior to the main programme. Please see our website at http://sysadmin.miniconf.org/ for details. The organisers of the Systems Administration Miniconf would like to invite proposals for presentations to be delivered at the Miniconf. Topics for presentations could include (but are not limited to) Samba, Databases, Backups, Firewalls, AAA, Troubleshooting, Buying Decisions, VPN, Virtual machines (Xen, UML, VMware), Monitoring Software, Web/Mail/LDAP/etc Server software, Wikis, PHP, Spam and Virus Filtering, VOIP, Trouble Ticket System, Best Practices, New Developments, Clustering/High Availability , Automated Installs, Automated configuration, Packaging Local Software. Speakers should assume that members of the audience have at least a couple of years experience in Unix/Linux administration. Format of Presentations ----------------------- Presentations of between 30 and 120 minutes (including questions) are currently being sought. We will also be holding a lightning talks session, with a list of 5-10 minutes short presentations.. Submitting talks ---------------- Please note that in order to give a presentation you must be register to attend the main linux.conf.au conference. In order to submit a talk please see our Call for Presentations webpage at: http://sysadmin.miniconf.org/cfp.html Submissions (or any questions) should be sent to: contact @ sysadmin.miniconf.org. Dates and Deadlines ------------------- To encourage early submissions around half the programme will be filled from presentations submitted before the 31st of October. 31 Oct 2005 - Deadline for early submissions 18 Nov 2005 - Deadline for late submissions Contact and Questions --------------------- Please see our website at http://sysadmin.miniconf.org/ for more information on the miniconf and presenting at it. If you have any questions please feel free to email the organisers at: contact @ sysadmin.miniconf.org

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'Fixit' meetings
by GunCom 28 Sep '05

28 Sep '05

One of the suggestions in Craig's survey was to have 'fixit' meetings. Informal discussion after the AGM showed there is some support for this from experienced members. To gauge the depth of interest, e-mail me off list and mention the sort of things you would like to have 'fixed'. If there is enough interest I'll put it to the committee. Gun Caundle gun(a)guncom.co.nz --

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wanted socket 462 (atholon/duron) motherboard
by stephen pearce 28 Sep '05

28 Sep '05

Hi anyone have one of these spare and for sale .. my elite k7s6a motherboard has died ... (but the memory and processor seem ok) Thanks Stephen

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Backups are your friend.
by Oliver Jones 28 Sep '05

28 Sep '05

My Laptop's Hard Disk croaked yesterday. The device is less than a year old but it decided to destroy itself. No idea why. So backup early and often people. You will be thankful one day. I'm glad I have _any_ backup at all. Even if it is 3 or more months old. Regards

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Exim Install on Ubuntu
by Ivan Potgieter 28 Sep '05

28 Sep '05

Thanks for all the suggestions, I've tried apt-get install resulting in: ivan(a)silver:~$ sudo apt-get install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. My understanging of the above is that my system is clean. (FYI: I'm running Ubuntu 5.04) I have installed exim4, exim4-config, exim4-doc and found that anacron, at, lsb, mailx & mutt were still installed, but postfix, postfix-lts, ubuntu-base had been removed (as expected). So all seems fine. Thanks for all the feedback - it looks like it was just a storm in a teacup. Ivan. Matt Brown wrote: > What version of Ubuntu are you running Ivan? > Do you know if the package system was clean before you tried to install > Exim? > My suggestion on how to fix this would be to drop to the command line, > run apt-get install (no arguments). This will handle any packages that > are not in a clean state. Once you can run apt-get install (no > arguments) and have it return without doing anything, then try apt-get > install exim4 exim4-config (or use synaptic if you prefer).

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looking for python guru
by David Nicholls 28 Sep '05

28 Sep '05

hey guys, a friend of mine (runs a web development business) is currently searching for someone local - tauranga/hamilton kinda area - with good python skills. let me know if you think you fit the bill & i'll pass your details on. cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant d.nicholls at waikato.ac.nz School of Science & Engineering / Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato Hamilton, New Zealand

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Sidebar issues
by Justin Hyde 28 Sep '05

28 Sep '05

Sidebar issues With the sidebar enabled, I get it 2 times. http://www.geocities.com/justinhyde/withsidebar.jpg [220kB] Without the sidebar enabled, I get a see through sidebar. http://www.geocities.com/justinhyde/withoutsidebar.jpg [202kB] Using browser as below Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050717 Firefox/1.0.6 Haven't had a chance to view under Ubuntu yet. Any ideas Justin

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Re: [wlug] Sidebar issues
by Justin Hyde 28 Sep '05

28 Sep '05

>Hit F5 or Ctrl-R to refresh your screen and it comes right. Some sort >of caching issue by the look of it.... seems to do the trick, thanks

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Microsoft and JBoss working together
by Ian McDonald 28 Sep '05

28 Sep '05

Quite an interesting article here: http://beta.news.com.com/Microsoft,+JBoss+link+server+software/2100-7344_3-… It goes further than I would have expected from Microsoft as it includes working together on Active Directory integration and allowing SQL Server to be a back end. Only question I have is how much will actually be open-source as the article says "most" JBoss software is LPGL.

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Exim Install on Ubuntu
by Ivan Potgieter 27 Sep '05

27 Sep '05

Hello all, I've decided to install exim using Ubuntu's Synaptic Package Manager. When selecting some of the packages, some unexpected packages are marked for removal (see below). Marked for installation: exim4, exim4-config ==> automatically marked for removal: postfix, postfix-lts, ubuntu-base, anacron, at, lsb, mailx, mutt Can anyone explain why these are marked to be removed? Thanks, Ivan

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Re: [wlug] grub problem
by stephen pearce 27 Sep '05

27 Sep '05

Further to my post yesterday ... I pulled out the flash rom chip ... and removed the cmos battery ... left things for a few hours .. then reinstalled .. and it booted .. fine .. then reset it and the same problem recurred .. then reinstalled flash rom but left cmos battery bu out and left overnight .. .. it rebooted ok .. I wonder whether some of the memory in the flash rom has "gone stale" i.e. is returning equivocal logic values ... if so is this due to flash failure or the expected degradation of memory in a flash device after 4 years? Alternative is static damage at a gate level which is intermittantly casuing failure .. hdd seems to be reliable ... I plan to re flash the rom when I get home Stephen

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Re: [wlug] grub prob
by stephen pearce 27 Sep '05

27 Sep '05

Hi Same error, same conditions, Fedora core 4. Then lost control of keyboard ... .. could this be a virus using the recently identified hole in Firefox to download code to reprogram the flash rom? The alternative is a static spike which fried a whole lot of disparate systems .. would a hdd failure be consistant with being able to read to grub stage 2.? hopefully just corrupted the flash rom.. which might also be consistant with a wide range of disparate symptoms. I have a hdd partitioned for windows 98 and linux .. I could not get past the grub stage 2 phase .. and the keyboard would not respond to trying to "del" during boot to access the cmos ... so I reset the cmos on the motherboard (perhaps in retrospect ill advisedly ... it now gives a keyboard read error ..) if it is a fried motherboard .. does anyone have a k7s6a elite surplus/sale? It was thepccompany .. which of course is no longer! I'll have to pull it apart to see what processor and memory type it is .. unless someone knows. I have downloaded the firmware upgrade and plan to extract the flash rom and reprogram it in an eprom burner (if I can find one which suits the flash device en29f002t/5v challanging .. and frustrating symptoms! (I suppose it reflects crappy component tolerances .. maybe we should all buy pentioned servers as the engineering in these is a bit better) any new info appreciated Thanks Stephen

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Waikato Linux Users Group Incorporated Committee for 2006
by Craig Box 27 Sep '05

27 Sep '05

Congratulations to the following people, who were last night voted in as the Executive Committee for the WLUG for 2006: President: Lindsay Druett Vice-President: David Hallett Treasurer: Ian McDonald Secretary: Craig Box General Committee: Matthias Dallmeier Perry Lorier Gian Perrone Minutes are now available at http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-09-26. Thanks to everyone who came. Craig

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grub prob
by David Nicholls 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

hey guys, i have an interesting one. the other day my computer at home started for no aparent reason (i had'nt been fiddling or doing anything stupid on it... last time i used it i logged off & shut down normally) to display the following message when it starts up: GRUB loading stage 2 then it just sits theere doing nothing. i'm running suse 9.3. anyone got any clues? is more info needed? cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant d.nicholls at waikato.ac.nz School of Science & Engineering / Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato Hamilton, New Zealand

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Debian and profile.d
by Oliver Jones 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Is there a /etc/profile.d like system on Debian? That is something I really like about Redhat. The default setup of bash is pretty light on Debian 3.1. I want to add a few aliases and stuff to the bash config system wide. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Roving Code Warrior > www.deeperdesign.com

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scanning for an IP address...
by Camster342 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Does anyone know of a tool which will let me discover the IP address of my ADSL modem in this setup : LAN <----> switch <----> Linux Server <----> ADSL Modem My computer is in the LAN, the Linux server is a Debian Box with no monitor or keyboard, and the ADSL modem is a DLink 302G (the kind you get free with an Xtra connection). The Linux server has two network cards in it, one connected to the switch (eth0), and one connected straight to the modem(eth1). The ADSL modem has been configured into half-bridge mode as discussed on the wlug wiki page for it (http://wlug.org.nz/DSL-302G) which means the IP address that appears on the Linux box is the external IP address of the modem, or at least the last one that was used. Now the problem is, I want to update some configuration on the modem, but I cannot remember what the IP address for it is. All I remember was that I changed it from its default. Does anyone know of a command, presumably that I would run from the linux box that I can use to find out the IP address of the modem that I browse to, to configure it? -- Cameron

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 25 Sep '05

25 Sep '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter (http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter) I would like to announce to all members that the WaikatoLinuxUsersGroup (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting (http://www.wlug.org.nz/AGM) on Monday, 26 September, 2005, at 7pm, at the regular meeting location of room LitB] at the http://www.wlug.org.nz/University of Waikato ([WaikatoUniversity). New committee All WLUG members are encouraged to stand for election onto the WlugCommittee for 2006. The charter currently specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. Because of the relatively large size of the committee compared to the organisation's membership, the outgoing committee intends to propose a change to the charter at the AGM. We wish to call for a vote on modifying Rule 7 to require only three general committee members, not five, and modifying Rule 6 such that the quorum for committee meetings is four, not five. To stand for the committee, please email secretary at wlug.org.nz (http://www.wlug.org.nz/mailto:secretary at wlug.org.nz). If you wish to nominate someone, please contact them and ask if they are willing to stand; if you would rather not contact them yourself, feel free to email me and I will pass your request on for you. People with uncertain futures (who may be leaving the Waikato) are encouraged not to let this stop them standing for election, but please only stand if you are committed and prepared to take on a relatively small workload. To be granted voting rights at the meeting, you must have been a paid member for 2004-2005, and signed a new membership form for '05-'06. (Remember, you have 90 days to pay.) Remember to bring your survey code if you want to be in the draw to win the $100 Dick Smith Electronics voucher. Regards, CraigBox WLUG Secretary

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Devices, udev, device numbers
by Ian McDonald 23 Sep '05

23 Sep '05

Hi there, In the process of setting up webcams (and getting greatly frustrated) I have been using mknod to create device entries. This is something I'm not really familiar with and I have some questions. I am trying things at present and don't really know why I am typing stuff I find in Google! Questions: 1) How are major and minor device numbers assigned? e.g. a webpage will say type "mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0". I understand the syntax but why 81 and 0 for the major and minor numbers? 2) How do these devices you create interact with udev? Permissions and other things seem to disappear after a reboot. Should I be using udev instead of mknod? URLs to articles would be appreciated or just people's comments. I promise to Wiki what I find out as I have been doing for most of my discoveries... Ian

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 22 Sep '05

22 Sep '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter (http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter) I would like to announce to all members that the WaikatoLinuxUsersGroup (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting (http://www.wlug.org.nz/AGM) on Monday, 26 September, 2005, at 7pm, at the regular meeting location of room LitB] at the http://www.wlug.org.nz/University of Waikato ([WaikatoUniversity). New committee All WLUG members are encouraged to stand for election onto the WlugCommittee for 2006. The charter currently specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. Because of the relatively large size of the committee compared to the organisation's membership, the outgoing committee intends to propose a change to the charter at the AGM. We wish to call for a vote on modifying Rule 7 to require only three general committee members, not five, and modifying Rule 6 such that the quorum for committee meetings is four, not five. To stand for the committee, please email secretary at wlug.org.nz (http://www.wlug.org.nz/mailto:secretary at wlug.org.nz). If you wish to nominate someone, please contact them and ask if they are willing to stand; if you would rather not contact them yourself, feel free to email me and I will pass your request on for you. People with uncertain futures (who may be leaving the Waikato) are encouraged not to let this stop them standing for election, but please only stand if you are committed and prepared to take on a relatively small workload. To be granted voting rights at the meeting, you must have been a paid member for 2004-2005, and signed a new membership form for '05-'06. (Remember, you have 90 days to pay.) Survey I would also like to announce the first annual WLUG survey, and the chance to win a $100 DickSmith Electronics voucher! All people associated with WLUG, paid members or not, are encouraged to fill out the survey at http://survey.wlug.org.nz/. No personal information is collected and all responses are totally anonymous. At the end of the survey you will be given a token; bring this to the AGM and sign up for the '05/'06 year, and you will be in to win the $100 voucher. Regards, CraigBox WLUG Secretary

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Happy SFD!
by Dave Waddling 22 Sep '05

22 Sep '05

Yes it's Software Freedom Day '05! In celebration of the event I wanted to let everyone know of the following link. ftp://ftp.lanux.com/pub/Suse/SUSE_9.3_PROF_i386_5CD_set/ As you may guess from the URL it is the full version of SUSE 9.3 Pro. The company providing this is a Canadian Company that says: " We are here to support the Linux community at large so if there are people that need the disks for "test and experimentation" they can have them under our extended license. " So enjoy, however I have been told that if the bandwidth goes too nuts they will may to cut it off. -- Dave Waddling ----------------- dave(a)waddling.com Skype davewaddling

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v4l question - /dev/video0
by Ian McDonald 22 Sep '05

22 Sep '05

Hi there, I'm trying to get a couple of webcams going in Linux. One is a firewire card and one is a USB. They are both loaded on my system and are partially usable (e.g. Firewire one works in Gnome Meeting). My question is how does /dev/video0 come into existence with video 4 linux (aka v4l)? I have tried using mknod and that can create it but it doesn't make it usable. I've hunted around the web heaps and not found much at all. Questions: - is there a magic step to create /dev/video0 automatically and I haven't set it up? - or is it that my drivers aren't really working well? Ian

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Committee nominations as at 19 Sep & survey cutoff
by Craig Box 21 Sep '05

21 Sep '05

Hi all, Current nominations for 2005-2006 committee =========================================== President DRUETT, Lindsay Vice President HALLETT, David Secretary BOX, Craig Treasurer MCDONALD, Ian General Committee Members: LORIER, Perry PERRONE, Gian PURVIS, Jon That's exactly the right number, but we can't have a very good election if we don't have any contention :) Survey closeoff =============== The survey will be closed on Sunday evening to allow for some statistics to be presented at the AGM. If you have not filled out the survey yet, please check it out before Sunday at http://survey.wlug.org.nz/. Regards, Craig

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802.11G Wireless Cardbus cards for sale
by Daniel Lawson 20 Sep '05

20 Sep '05

Hi, I recently acquired a bulk lot of brand new (shrinkwrapped) 802.11G Wireless cards through an auction. They caught my attention because the particular models were compatable with linux. They are DLink DWL-G630 cards, hardware revision D1, Firmware 4.10. They use the Atheros chipset, and are fairly easy to get to work in linux using a recent snapshot of the madwifi drivers. I'll provide some better notes on the wiki once I get time. I've got 5 for sale. I also have a pair of DLink DWL-G650+ cards, which I believe have an ACX chipset. Last time I tried to make an ACX chipset card work in linux, it didn't like me very much, but I've heard good things about getting the DWL-G650+ to work with the driver available from acx.sourceforge.net. They'll work fine in windows. If you'd like one of these, mail me offlist. Asking price is $35, and I can provide some limited support for getting them working. http://www.wlug.org.nz/GarageSale Daniel

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Debian stable/unstable.
by Oliver Jones 18 Sep '05

18 Sep '05

Hi folks. I'm just trying to find out what peoples feelings are with regard to the testing & unstable branches of Debian. I've added testing to my deb and deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list. Mainly because I wanted a newer version of a package I use. I'd like to know A) if this is advisable B) if going all the way to unstable is advisable. What are the security patch repercussions? Regards -- Oliver Jones > Roving Code Warrior > www.deeperdesign.com

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 18 Sep '05

18 Sep '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter (http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter) I would like to announce to all members that the WaikatoLinuxUsersGroup (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting (http://www.wlug.org.nz/AGM) on Monday, 26 September, 2005, at 7pm, at the regular meeting location of room LitB] at the http://www.wlug.org.nz/University of Waikato ([WaikatoUniversity). New committee All WLUG members are encouraged to stand for election onto the WlugCommittee for 2006. The charter currently specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. Because of the relatively large size of the committee compared to the organisation's membership, the outgoing committee intends to propose a change to the charter at the AGM. We wish to call for a vote on modifying Rule 7 to require only three general committee members, not five, and modifying Rule 6 such that the quorum for committee meetings is four, not five. To stand for the committee, please email secretary at wlug.org.nz (http://www.wlug.org.nz/mailto:secretary at wlug.org.nz). If you wish to nominate someone, please contact them and ask if they are willing to stand; if you would rather not contact them yourself, feel free to email me and I will pass your request on for you. People with uncertain futures (who may be leaving the Waikato) are encouraged not to let this stop them standing for election, but please only stand if you are committed and prepared to take on a relatively small workload. To be granted voting rights at the meeting, you must have been a paid member for 2004-2005, and signed a new membership form for '05-'06. (Remember, you have 90 days to pay.) Survey I would also like to announce the first annual WLUG survey, and the chance to win a $100 DickSmith Electronics voucher! All people associated with WLUG, paid members or not, are encouraged to fill out the survey at http://survey.wlug.org.nz/. No personal information is collected and all responses are totally anonymous. At the end of the survey you will be given a token; bring this to the AGM and sign up for the '05/'06 year, and you will be in to win the $100 voucher. Regards, CraigBox WLUG Secretary

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Re: [wlug] Ubuntu said "Ack!!"
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 17 Sep '05

17 Sep '05

Thanks I get a couple of days off when I get to Florida so will read up then Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > --- jaytee(a)clear.net.nz wrote: > > > Hey all > > I had a problem with the "simple" install of > > Ubuntu > > Hoary which I thought was due to me not paying > > attention to > > the partitioning thus not including a swap space. > > However I retried the install and paid > > attention to > > what happened. Almost at the end of an otherwise > > uneventful > > install the programme said: > > Would suggest you start again with a clean slate. Use > Knoppix and QtParted to wipe current data and to > create a swap partition. I have just put up a HowTo @ > http://www.wlug.org.nz/UbuntuKbuntuInstall > > HTH > Bill > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Debian tips
by Oliver Jones 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Hi people. I've just leased a Debian server from Server Beach. I've managed to upgrade it from 3.0 to 3.1 and install a few apps I want to play with. However I'm a recovering RedHat user and therefore very green when it comes to Debian. ;) I would appreciate any sage advice/tips to help me transition from people (Daniel?, Perry?) who've made the switch before. Thanks. -- Oliver Jones > Roving Code Warrior > www.deeperdesign.com

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Ubuntu said "Ack!!"
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Hey all I had a problem with the "simple" install of Ubuntu Hoary which I thought was due to me not paying attention to the partitioning thus not including a swap space. However I retried the install and paid attention to what happened. Almost at the end of an otherwise uneventful install the programme said: "Ack! something bad happened trying to recover". Sadly ths was not the case much custard was developed. I guess this is a (no cay)nown problem but i did not read about it yet in my limited experience. Regards John

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Announcing the Preview Release of Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)
by Craig Box 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

I will have a copy of this very soon if anyone is interested and doesn't want to download it themselves. -- Craig The Ubuntu team is proud to announce the Preview Release of Ubuntu 5.10 - codenamed "Breezy Badger". The Preview Release includes both Install CDs and bootable Live CDs for three architectures. Ubuntu is a Linux distribution for your desktop or server, with a fast and easy install, regular releases, a tight selection of excellent packages installed by default, every other package you can imagine available from the network, a commitment to security updates for 18 months after each release and professional technical support from many companies around the world. To Get Ubuntu 5.10 Preview -------------------------- Download Ubuntu 5.10 Preview here (choose the mirror closest to you): United States: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.10/ Europe: http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ United Kingdom: http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ Rest of the World: http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ Please download using Bittorrent if possible. The final version of Ubuntu 5.10 is expected to be released in October. At that time, we will mail pressed CDs free of charge. To receive a complimentary copy of the Official Breezy Badger CD -- or a handful of them to give to your friends, your school or LUG -- place your request at the URL below. Remember that these CDs won't ship until after the final release in October. http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ About Ubuntu 5.10 Preview ------------------------- To see it all, you'll need to try the CD, but the highlights include: On the Desktop * GNOME 2.12 -- Very fresh... Released yesterday!! * OpenOffice.org 2.0 beta 2 * X.org 6.8.2 with wider hardware support * An enhanced tool for easily installing new applications (see "Add/Remove Programs" in the System Administration menu) * A new tool which makes it easy to install support for multiple languages (Language Selector) * Editable GNOME menus * Applications are now linked into the Launchpad infrastructure (new entries on the Help menus for translation and support) * Support for writing audio CDs (Serpentine) * Graphical boot process with progress bar (USplash) On the Server * PHP5 * Support for installing directly onto LVM volumes * Built-in thin client functionality produced in cooperation with the LTSP project (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto) * Simple NFS root setup with automatic hardware detection through initramfs-tools * Support for up to 4 gigabytes of RAM by default on 32-bit architectures * Kernel support for cluster filesystems (OCFS2 and GFS) Hardware Support Improvements * Linux 2.6.12.5 with many updated drivers from third parties * Further enhancements to laptop support (hot keys, and working suspend/resume on more models) * HP all-in-one printer/scanner devices are supported out of the box * Bluetooth input devices (such as keyboards and mice) are supported out of the box * Multiple audio devices are handled more gracefully (and one can easily select the default device) * 64-bit PowerPC kernel available Installation * A new OEM mode to simplify the process of preinstalling Ubuntu on computers for resale or redistribution * Automatically makes existing hard drive partitions available to the desktop * Simple "dual boot" configuration with automatic resizing of an existing installed OS * The second stage of the installation now has a progress bar "Under the hood" * GCC 4.0.1 * glibc 2.3.5 * New early userspace infrastructure based on initramfs-tools * More modular X.org packaging As always, Ubuntu includes the very best of the 100% FREE / LIBRE application software world, and each new release incorporates countless new features and bugfixes from the global development community. Feedback and Helping -------------------- If you would like to help shape Ubuntu, take a look at the list of ways you can participate at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/ Your comments, bug reports, patches and suggestions will help turn this Preview into the best release of Ubuntu ever. Please report bugs through Bugzilla: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ If you have a question, or if you think you may have found a bug but aren't sure, first try asking on the #ubuntu IRC channel on FreeNode, on the Ubuntu Users mailing list, or on the Ubuntu forums: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ More Information ---------------- You can find out more about Ubuntu and about this preview release on our website, IRC channel and wiki. If you're new to Ubuntu, please visit: http://www.ubuntu.com/ To sign up for future Ubuntu announcements, please subscribe to Ubuntu's very low volume announcement list at: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce

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Debian user defaults.
by Oliver Jones 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

Does Debian 3.1 use the usual your uid is your gid standard?? The useradd tools seem to be creating users with their gid set to users(100). Is this normal? Personally I prefer the uid==gid approach that RH uses. Is there a setting I can change on debian? I'm very new to debian so I have no idea where to look. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Roving Code Warrior > www.deeperdesign.com

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Political party responses to InternetNZ questions.
by Greig McGill 13 Sep '05

13 Sep '05

I find this fairly interesting. http://internetnz.net.nz/government/2005-survey.htm Basically (and obviously this is my opinion); National sucks (and I am a Nat supporter) Labour sucks ever so slightly less The Greens ROCK The other responding parties appear clueless (SURPRISE!). I assume, based on Rodney Hide's fairly passionate views on IT (which were closely aligned with the Greens views, strangely enough), that ACT do have a policy, and have simply not submitted it yet. Winston is most likely too busy digging dirt to be bothered filling out the questionnaire. I know it's a single issue, and shouldn't really form the basis of any intelligent persons vote, but I think it is concerning that neither of our two major parties "get it", and it is left to a party often written off as hopeless idealists to have the best, most progressive policy on ICT issues. Regards, Greig McGill

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 13 Sep '05

13 Sep '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business

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mythtv installation day?
by Justin Hyde 13 Sep '05

13 Sep '05

I am trying to install mythtv on my ubuntu box, but without success, so I need help! I propose a mythtv installation day/evening, but will require some experts to come and help us novels. Are there any locals willing to help and advise? Depending on numbers interested I can host this event at my place, plenty of tables, power points, bbq etc I am thinking of the weekend of the 8th/9th October as that is only a couple of days before my jetstream quota renews itself, so we can blitz the connection and only suffer dial up speeds briefly. Any goers? Cheers Justin Hyde

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Re: [wlug] mythtv installation day?
by David Nicholls 12 Sep '05

12 Sep '05

Good lord! Telling him to look on the web when there is a bbq & broadband on offer... Bloody hell! I'd take the bbq any day mate. Pity I don't know anything about mythtv. Cheers... david From: Ian McDonald [mailto:imcdnzl(a)gmail.com] On 13/09/05, Justin Hyde <ajh28(a)waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > I am trying to install mythtv on my ubuntu box, but without success, > so I need help! > I presume you have looked at http://wlug.org.nz/MythTv ?

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Committee nominations as at 13 Sep
by Craig Box 12 Sep '05

12 Sep '05

Hi all, Current nominations for 2005-2006 committee =========================================== President DRUETT, Lindsay Vice President none Secretary BOX, Craig Treasurer none General Committee Members: LORIER, Perry PERRONE, Gian PURVIS, Jon MCDONALD, Ian New committee ============= All WLUG members are encouraged to stand for election onto the WLUG committee for 2006. The charter currently specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. Because of the relatively large size of the committee compared to the organisation's membership, the outgoing committee intends to propose a change to the charter at the AGM. We wish to call for a vote on modifying Rule 7 to require only three general committee members, not five, and modifying Rule 6 such that the quorum for committee meetings is four, not five. To stand for the committee, please email secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. If you wish to nominate someone, please contact them and ask if they are willing to stand; if you would rather not contact them yourself, feel free to email me and I will pass your request on for you. People with uncertain futures (who may be leaving the Waikato) are encouraged not to let this stop them standing for election, but please only stand if you are committed and prepared to take on a relatively small workload. To be granted voting rights at the meeting, you must have been a paid member for 2004-2005, and signed a new membership form for '05-'06. (Remember, you have 90 days to pay.) Craig

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Warren Hughes (IBM) is out of the office.
by Warren Hughes 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

I will be out of the office starting 09/09/2005 and will not return until 12/09/2005. Hi, thanks for your email. I am away from the office today Friday 9/9, returning Monday 12/9. Have a great weekend, Warren.

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Re: [wlug] Mobile Repositories
by Ivan Potgieter 06 Sep '05

06 Sep '05

Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > All covered in http://www.wlug.org.nz/AptNotes Thanks, just what I needed. Ivan

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Wiki history page
by Craig Box 06 Sep '05

06 Sep '05

Hi, Searching back through mailing lists for dates and important events, I've knocked up a quick Wiki history page: http://www.wlug.org.nz/WikiHistory. People who remember things are encouraged to add them - this might eventually turn into a WlugHistory page as well. Craig

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New Zealand Linux Wiki redesign
by Craig Box 05 Sep '05

05 Sep '05

The New Zealand Linux wiki is a frontend into the data of Waikato Linux Users Group wiki. It is designed to open the amazing resource of user contributed information to participation from members of other LUGs, and free software/open source users and supporters in New Zealand. After a somewhat shaky start, I'm pleased to announce a redesigned theme for the site, now live at http://wiki.linux.net.nz/. The theme is the handiwork of Craig Box and Simon Bridge, based on the WLUG theme by Matt & Kat Brown, and is the culmination of suggestion and assistance from both the NZLUG community and WLUG committee members. On behalf of the WLUG, I would like to thank: * Carlos Varela, media designer (http://www.carlosvarela.net/) for the kiwi-in-circle logo * Simon Bridge, for his co-ordination and design work on the redesign of the original green theme * The NZLUG community, for their suggestions and design ideas * Everyone else on all the mailing lists for their criticisms, complaints and eventual support :) Please check out the site - http://wiki.linux.net.nz/ - now with a redesigned front page and new look. Remember, all content on this site is edited, and made available (except where otherwise noted) under a Creative Commons license. Craig

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Update on membership for 2005
by Craig Box 05 Sep '05

05 Sep '05

Hi everyone, I assume most of you skipped over the message I just posted because you've seen it before, but please don't skip this one. We currently have three nominations for committee members, and require at least seven. Please, if you think you have time to help out with the WLUG (it really doesn't take much), stand for nomination. If you're a current committee member who wishes to reapply, you should really already have told me. >:) The list of candidates is now at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee. Also, thanks to everyone who has filled out the survey already (http://survey.wlug.org.nz/) - responses will probably close a couple of days before the AGM, so a proper report can be written, but anyone who has yet to fill it out is encouraged to do so at their earliest convenience. We have had a number of good ideas pitched by people via the survey that I look forward to the LUG implementing. Remember also you also go into the draw to win a $100 Dick Smith Electronics voucher if you fill out the survey and (re)subscribe to WLUG at the AGM. Thanks for your time, Craig

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Annual General Meeting, 26 September
by Craig Box 05 Sep '05

05 Sep '05

In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter, I would like to announce to all members that the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting on Monday, 26 September, 2005, at 7pm, at the regular meeting location of room LitB at the University of Waikato. New committee ============= All WLUG members are encouraged to stand for election onto the WLUG committee for 2006. The charter currently specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. Because of the relatively large size of the committee compared to the organisation's membership, the outgoing committee intends to propose a change to the charter at the AGM. We wish to call for a vote on modifying Rule 7 to require only three general committee members, not five, and modifying Rule 6 such that the quorum for committee meetings is four, not five. To stand for the committee, please email secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. If you wish to nominate someone, please contact them and ask if they are willing to stand; if you would rather not contact them yourself, feel free to email me and I will pass your request on for you. People with uncertain futures (who may be leaving the Waikato) are encouraged not to let this stop them standing for election, but please only stand if you are committed and prepared to take on a relatively small workload. To be granted voting rights at the meeting, you must have been a paid member for 2004-2005, and signed a new membership form for '05-'06. (Remember, you have 90 days to pay.) Survey ====== I would also like to remind everyone about the first annual WLUG survey, and the chance to win a $100 Dick Smith Electronics voucher! All people associated with WLUG, paid members or not, are encouraged to fill out the survey at http://survey.wlug.org.nz/. No personal information is collected and all responses are totally anonymous. At the end of the survey you will be given a token; bring this to the AGM and sign up for the '05/'06 year, and you will be in to win the $100 voucher. Regards, Craig WLUG Secretary

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Mobile Repositories
by Ivan Potgieter 03 Sep '05

03 Sep '05

Hello all, I have recently upgraded to a larger HDD and I decided to install (Ubuntu) from scratch. This required all the updates and installation of all the additional packaged that I use. The problem is that I only have dialup Internet access and it took some time to download. I also have a requirement to update 2 non-networked PCs. I am using Ubuntu with Synaptic Package Manager, which works well, but I am not sure how it works 'behind the scenes'. The idea I have is to create a specialised repository that contains specific apps (or updates), which can be placed onto mobile media for installtion onto the non-networked PCs (as well as a being a backup). Can anyone out there shed some light on how to create such a repository or any other possibilities for installing packages onto the non-networked PCs? Some topics I love more info on are: * Where do packages stored when downloaded and how long do they remain there? * What is required for creating a repository? * How do configure Synaptic to access this new repository? Any thoughts / help welcome. Thanks, Ivan

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 02 Sep '05

02 Sep '05

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Re: [wlug] Announcing Planet WLUG
by swami 02 Sep '05

02 Sep '05

Matt Brown wrote: > WLUG now has a planet... It personalises the wiki and looks good. (And I especially enjoy the content.) Cheers, Sid. PS. apologies for cut 'n paste from archive and mucking up thread.

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Call for nominations for 2005/06 WLUG Executive Committee
by Greig McGill 02 Sep '05

02 Sep '05

Hi all, It's almost AGM time. Craig tells me that survey responses are coming along nicely, and that several people have said that they would stand for election to the WLUG Committee. To date, we have recieved no nominations, and time is growing short. If you wish to nominate someone, please get in contact with them and confirm their desire to be nominated. You may nominate yourself if you wish. When you have a confirmed, enthusiastic nominee, please email secretary(a)wlug.org.nz, and we will tally the nominations. Voting will be at the AGM. All continuing paid members are elligible to vote, as per our charter (http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter) I'd like to take this opportunity to announce that I will not be standing for the WLUG Executive again this year. It's been a great year as "The Fist", and I believe that the current committee has achieved a lot, but I can no longer commit the time or passion which I feel the job requires, and will thus be standing down. My final presidential role will be chairing the AGM, and I hope to see you all on the 26th. :) Thanks, Greig McGill President Waikato Linux Users Group Inc.

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[wlug] [Fwd: [nznog] Fwd: Important Event - ICT Leaders Debate, this Thursday evening]
by Matt Brown 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

This may be of interest to a number of people on this list. r2 is also planning to stream the debate and apparently the link to the stream will appear on http://www.internetnz.net.nz/forum/ sometime later this afternoon. Cheers -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Richard Naylor <richard.naylor(a)citylink.co.nz> To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [nznog] Fwd: Important Event - ICT Leaders Debate, this Thursday evening Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:23:22 +1200 In case some of you don't get this. >From: "Colin Jackson" <president(a)internetnz.net.nz> >To: "INZ Members Announce" <members-announce(a)internetnz.net.nz> >Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:54:33 +1200 > >InternetNZ ICT Leaders Election Forum 2005 > >This Thursday evening InternetNZ is convening an Election Forum, for >political parties to present and defend their policies relating to >information and communications technology policy. > >David Cunliffe MP (Labour Party), Maurice Williamson MP (National Party) >and Mikaere Curtis (Green Party) will face questions from a panel of >journalists (Paul Brislen, IDG / Computerworld; and Kate McLaughlin, >National Business Review) on where they see the future of this industry, >where they want to take it, and why. > >Date: Thursday 1 September 2005 > >Time: 7.00pm - 9.00pm > >Physical Venues: University of Auckland - Access Grid Suite (Main Venue) >and Wellington - Media Lab Conference Room, L2, 205-207 Victoria St. > >Webcast/Chatlink : Link page will be available at 6pm this afternoon at >www.internetnz.net.nz/forum, with links to actual webcast and chat posted >on Thursday. > >Moderated by barrister Peter Dengate Thrush, the debate will commence with >an hour-long session where the speakers respond to pre-prepared questions >covering the wide range of issues relating to ICT and telecommunications >policy. > >In the second hour with the politicians will take questions from the >audience, channelled through the journalist panel, and live questions from >the Wellington audience. Online participants will be able to participate >in the debate through submitting questions via a web based chat channel. > >Communications between Auckland and Wellington will be by means of an >Access Grid. The Access Grid technology provides realtime audio and video >links between the two sites, making it an effective way to let audiences >in different geographic locations interact in real time. > >The only attendees in the Auckland venue will be the Moderator, the >journalists, and of course, the politicians. Outside the room will be the >technical providers, the feedback co-ordinators and the politicians >advisory teams. There will not be any general audience at this venue. > >There is a limited amount of space in the physical venue in Wellington for >InternetNZ members to attend the event. Obviously we want to have a >capacity audience at the venue. If you would like to attend, please advise >office(a)Internetnz.net.nz as soon as possible. Physical attendance will be >allocated on a first-come, first-served basis. For members outside of >Wellington, we would value your on-line attendance and questions. > >This InternetNZ Election Forum provides a unique opportunity for you to >put questions to the politicians who will be making critical decisions >about the future regulatory environment for communications and information >technology in New Zealand. We welcome your involvement. We feel that this >"proof of concept" of the technologies may lead to a whole new method of >engagement in political discussions for special interest groups wishing to >engage in detailed debates in specialised areas of policy. Please help us >make this event a success. > >Colin Jackson >President - InternetNZ _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz

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IBM Speed-start program enhanced with more trial code and content
by Craig Box 31 Aug '05

31 Aug '05

I've had a couple of these DVD kits sent to our library in the past. I probably won't bother again, but if anyone is interested in acquiring developer stuff from IBM, please read below. Craig Dear Developer, The IBM Speed-start your Linux Apps program was designed to get you started using IBM software tools and middleware by collecting the trial code, technical information and support in one place. Thousands of you participated in this program and gave us suggestions on how to make it even better. We've replaced the Speed-start program with: * A self-directed evaluation program that lets you get the technical content you want whenever you want it. * More IBM trial development tools and middleware for direct download or delivered on DVDs at no charge. * Support from IBM product experts who answer your technical questions. To get started, visit the featured downloads section of developerWorks at http://ibm.com/developerworks/ecma/campaign/er.jsp?id=102319 Here you will find IBM's most popular trials and focused technical content. If you wish to receive the new Linux SEK available at no charge, visit us at: http://ibm.com/developerworks/ecma/campaign/er.jsp?id=102320 The new SEK is available to assist you with your Linux application development efforts. It includes the latest trial products from IBM DB2, Lotus and WebSphere, as well as, new versions of the IBM Rational desktop development products for Linux, such as: -- IBM Rational Application Developer for WebSphere Software V6.0 -- IBM Rational Functional Tester V6.1.0 -- IBM Rational Software Architect V6.0 -- IBM Rational Software Modeler V6.0 -- IBM Rational Web Developer for WebSphere Software V6.0 Now it's easier than ever to get your hands on IBM trial software and the technical resources to go with it-all in one convenient location. Sincerely, The IBM developerWorks Team mailto:dwinfo(a)us.ibm.com

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Wireless performance
by Oliver Jones 29 Aug '05

29 Aug '05

I've been twiddling with my wireless router settings and nothing I've changed so far has improved performance. Some appeared to degrade it a little. I'm still only getting 120kbytes/sec in gFTP/SSH. Which translates to about 1Mbit/sec. This is supposed to be a 54Mbit device. Come someone else with a 802.11g wireless network do a little throughput test and let me know what sort of data rate they get. Thanks.

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New dedicated server,
by Oliver Jones 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

Hey peeps. I'm thinking about getting a replacement dedicated server. I was thinking of getting a server from ServerBeach.com. They offer bother Debian 3.0 and FC3. I was think from a maintenance perspective it might be wiser for me to use Debian. Though now that 3.1 (Sarge) is out I'd prefer to use that. Is it possible and/or easy to upgrade 3.0 to 3.1 via apt-get dist-upgrade? Advice, experiences, etc appreciated. Regards

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Please help us by filling out the 2005 WLUG Survey
by Craig Box 27 Aug '05

27 Aug '05

Hi everyone, If you have some spare time over the weekend, please consider filling out the WLUG survey at http://survey.wlug.org.nz/ We have had around 20 submissions so far, and we have received some excellent feedback on what we should be doing differently. Some of the suggestions will be brought in from as early as the AGM. There are over 150 people subscribed to this list. It would be great to end up with a similar number of responses, so we can be sure that the overall answers are representative of the opinions of everyone involved with WLUG. Remember, all people in any way associated with WLUG, paid members or not, are encouraged to fill out the survey. Everyone who fills in the survey and then signs up or renews their membership at the AGM is in the draw to win a $100 Dick Smith Electronics voucher! No personal information is collected and all responses are totally anonymous. That URL again: http://survey.wlug.org.nz/ Regards, Craig WLUG Secretary

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wlug server moving
by John R. McPherson 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Hi, the wlug server (hoiho) will be moving location and changing IP address either today or tomorrow, and obviously this will affect connectivity such as the wlug website and email to @wlug.org.nz addresses. If at some stage you notice you can't reach the server, Don't Panic. This because our hosts are changing premises. John

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Open source equivalent to Maple/Mathematica
by Ian McDonald 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Folks, Does anybody have personal experience of open source equivalents? I see Maxima, Mathomatic and mupad on the web but wondering if anybody has used... I am looking at packages that do algebraic manipulation, solving and 3D graphing. On the surface Maxima looks quite good for this. Ian

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RSS feed off RecentEdits page on WLUG wiki
by Ian McDonald 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

There is an RSS feed mentioned on this page with the URL below: http://www.wlug.org.nz/RecentEdits?format=rss It doesn't give anything though... Can this be fixed or removed? Regards, Ian

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Transparent bridge ADSL modem
by Craig Box 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Hi all, I am looking for a reliable, good quality ADSL device that can be used as a transparent bridge to a Linux machine. Some of the Linux machines we have run as IPSEC heads, and by far the best way to make sure that the device correctly forwards packets on certain protocols (not ports) would be to have it transparent. Ultimately what I want to have is this: internet -- adsl modem -- [linux (eth1: public IP) ] [linux (eth0: internal IP)] - nat The closest I've got to this before is the M1122 on PPTP, but I would rather the bridge was at ethernet level if possible. Can anyone make any recommendations on devices that do this? Reliability is far more important than price (these will be for business customers) and I would prefer something that has firmware upgrades available without a support contract. Thanks, Craig

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Re: [wlug] Transparent bridge ADSL modem
by Pete 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

Hi Craig, > internet -- adsl modem -- [linux (eth1: public IP) ] > [linux (eth0: internal IP)] - nat > > Can anyone make any recommendations on devices that do this? > Reliability is far more important than price (these will be for > business customers) and I would prefer something that has firmware > upgrades available without a support contract. > We use an Alcaltel SpeedTouch-Home DSL modem to get a real-world-IP on our eth1, but it too uses a PPP-to-PPTP relay like the Nokia M1122 you mentioned. I am not aware of any DSL modems that do PPP-to-Ethernet relaying. I'm not even sure how you would implement this in the DSL modem. I guess the eth interface of the DSL modem would have to emulate the IP of the upstream side of the PPP link, and provide some sort of DHCP server to assign that IP as default-gateway to the downstream client). Regards, Pete

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Knoppix 4 DVD
by Camster342 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

Does anyone here play with Knoppix? The Knoppix 4.0 DVD is out on various bittorrent sources, but they're all international. Does anyone know of a NZ-only torrent or even ftp source to get it from? -- Cameron

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Annual General Meeting, 26 September
by Craig Box 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

In accordance with Rule 6 of the charter, I would like to announce to all members that the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated) will be holding its Annual General Meeting on Monday, 26 September, 2005, at 7pm, at the regular meeting location of room LitB at the University of Waikato. New committee ============= All WLUG members are encouraged to stand for election onto the WLUG committee for 2006. The charter currently specifies the committee as consisting of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and five general committee members. Because of the relatively large size of the committee compared to the organisation's membership, the outgoing committee intends to propose a change to the charter at the AGM. We wish to call for a vote on modifying Rule 7 to require only three general committee members, not five, and modifying Rule 6 such that the quorum for committee meetings is four, not five. To stand for the committee, please email secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. If you wish to nominate someone, please contact them and ask if they are willing to stand; if you would rather not contact them yourself, feel free to email me and I will pass your request on for you. People with uncertain futures (who may be leaving the Waikato) are encouraged not to let this stop them standing for election, but please only stand if you are committed and prepared to take on a relatively small workload. To be granted voting rights at the meeting, you must have been a paid member for 2004-2005, and signed a new membership form for '05-'06. (Remember, you have 90 days to pay.) Survey ====== I would also like to announce the first annual WLUG survey, and the chance to win a $100 Dick Smith Electronics voucher! All people associated with WLUG, paid members or not, are encouraged to fill out the survey at http://survey.wlug.org.nz/. No personal information is collected and all responses are totally anonymous. At the end of the survey you will be given a token; bring this to the AGM and sign up for the '05/'06 year, and you will be in to win the $100 voucher. Regards, Craig WLUG Secretary

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Some Ubuntu synaptic ftp sites no longer available on my machine
by Roderick Aldridge 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

When I start Synaptic I get the following message on startup: W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) How do I restore these? I expect I missed updating something during the Debian update. Roderick Aldridge

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Anyone in the need for any Digium X100P Cards ?
by Drew Broadley 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

I'm going to make an order soon, $40 each. Cheers, Drew

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Re: [wlug] Making Wireless go faster.
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 22 Aug '05

22 Aug '05

Regarding metal objects that may impede the signal: I thought of wrapping an empty toilet roll (or similar) with aluminium foil then adjusting the size to act as a collector/reflector and maybe getting some signal gain if placed in a strategic location. As this been tested or did I have a bad idea?? Regards John

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help for hamilton linux newbies
by David McNab 22 Aug '05

22 Aug '05

Hi all, I'm a Debian user of 4 years, and have just recently moved into Hamilton from a certain torturous urban sprawl north of the Bombays. I've been meeting lots of people here, and every time the topic of computers comes up, and I say I've been 100% virus-free for 4 years, people ask me how I've done it, and what they need to do to make the switch to Linux themselves. Does WLUG have any official points of contact for linux newbies seeking to kick their proprietary software addictions? For instance, is there a programme of regular installfests, or linux for newbies meetings? -- Cheers David

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RE: [wlug] Making Wireless go faster.
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 21 Aug '05

21 Aug '05

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 21 Aug '05

21 Aug '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Meeting - 22 August 2005 Location: University of Waikato, http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB Time: 7pm DanielLawson is giving a talk on the current state of Wireless Security, covering WEP, WPA, 802.11i and more.

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Making Wireless go faster.
by Oliver Jones 21 Aug '05

21 Aug '05

Hi Guys. I've got a 802.11g Wireless card and Linksys WAG54G. I've also got my "NAS/Media Centre" connected to the WAG via wired 100Mbit Ethernet. Now, "G" wireless is supposed to be 54Mbit per second. Which if you take it at face value should give you around 6Mb a second transfers. However whenever I'm transfering to and from my NAS I'd be luck to break 200kb a second. Now I know the "advertised" speed of 802.11g isn't close to 6mb/sec but I would have thought I'd get faster than 200kb a second. Why is it so slow? How can I make it faster? eth1 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"FlindersLAN" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point: 00:13:10:9A:DD:9C Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Tx-Power=20 dBm RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Power Management:off Link Quality=94/100 Signal level=-41 dBm Noise level=-81 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:1 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:5 I am using WEP. Turning this off would make things faster I imagine. How much of a difference though? Regards -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeperdesign.com> Deeper Design

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book donation
by Michael Honeyfield 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

I have 11 books ranging from UNIX to Netware that I am no longer wanting. They are old'ish so I have no idea how usefull they might be, but figure that wlug could add them to their library of books. If the lug would like them, contact me off list. Cheers Mike

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 18 Aug '05

18 Aug '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Meeting - 22 August 2005 Location: University of Waikato, LitB Time: 7pm DanielLawson is giving a talk on the current state of Wireless Security. ---- In the MeetingTopics category

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Good distro for old machines
by async＠slingshot.co.nz 16 Aug '05

16 Aug '05

I have a tutor with a problem. He wants to send a whole lot of machines back to his home town in South Africa and has asked me to help. The problem is that most of the machines have 32/64MB RAM and only P2's with very small hard drives. I was wondering if anyone could recommend a distro that would run on these specs and be easy for people who have not touched a computer before. Ideally, it would run XFCE or something that is low on resource usage. I am looking at maybe Puppy, DSL or MepisLite. Cheers Nick

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bash versus the space character
by Jonathan Purvis 16 Aug '05

16 Aug '05

Does anyone know how to get bash to split the output of a command enclosed in `` the same way it would split the command line if typed in? Everything i do to try to escape spaces ends up not working. Eg, this command (for sorting the songs from _The Dark Side Of Phobos_ in level order) produces a string that can be cut'n'pasted to bash, but if i change the echo command to mplayer, it doesn't work as bash split on spaces. echo `find . -name '*E1M*' | awk '{print $2,$0}' FS='[()]' | sort | sed -e 's/[^ ]* $.*$/\1/' -e 's/$[ ()]$/\\\\\1/g'`

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linux.conf.au 2006 - Call For Miniconfs
by Mike Beattie 15 Aug '05

15 Aug '05

2006 - Dunedin, NZ! linux.conf.au is the annual Australasian Linux technical conference, and is one of the largest gatherings of users and developers of Free and Open Source Software in the Southern Hemisphere. It is an opportunity for developers and groups to present their ideas amongst peers, and for the Free Software and Open Source communities to gather in general. Summary: Call for Miniconfs The 2006 conference is being held in Dunedin, New Zealand, at The University of Otago[1]. More information can be found on the conference website: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/ Call for Miniconfs: The organisers of linux.conf.au 2006 would like to invite any groups or organisations wishing to hold a 'Mini Conference', or 'Miniconf', to present a short proposal outlining their interest. Miniconfs are held on the Monday and Tuesday before the start of the main conference (23rd and 24th of January 2006). Proposals for 1-day or full 2-day Miniconfs are welcome. Proposals should be made via email to the main conference organisers at: organisers(a)lca2006.linux.org.au . Proposals are due by Wednesday August the 31st, 2005. This is a very short period for proposals - Just over two weeks, since there have already been expressions of interest from several groups, and we wish to provide organisers with as much time as possible to organise their Miniconf. Organisation of a Miniconf is the complete responsibility of the individual, group, or organisation that has expressed interest. This includes, but is not limited to, inviting speakers for the Miniconf, scheduling allotted time, and leading the Miniconf. linux.conf.au 2006 will only provide a venue to hold the Miniconf, which includes AV equipment. We will also provide a mechanism for Conference delegates to 'register' which Miniconfs they intend to attend, during their registration for the main conference. Please note that attendance at Miniconfs is only available to delegates registered for the main conference. Miniconf Speakers are not eligible for the same benefits as main conference Speakers, and will need to register if they wish to attend the main conference. Dates to Remember: * Proposals Due: Wednesday August 24, 2005 * Announcement of Chosen Miniconfs: Friday August 26, 2005 * Conference begins: Monday January 23, 2006 Please feel free to forward this announcement to your local LUG, or any other person or group that would be interested! [1]: http://www.otago.ac.nz/ [2]: http://www.opensource.org/osd.html Regards, Mike Beattie, linux.conf.au 2006 Organisers

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 14 Aug '05

14 Aug '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A WLUG meeting is booked for this date. If you're seeing this message, feel free to suggest or offer to present a meeting topic - the MeetingTopics page might be a good place to start.

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vpnc
by felix 13 Aug '05

13 Aug '05

Using SimplyMepis 3.3.1: I have to access work using a Cisco VPN connection. I have installed "vpnc" and "tun". I can establish a VPN connection and get an IP address assigned. ifconfig tun0 tun0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 inet addr:10.255.255.1 P-t-P:10.255.255.1 Mask:255.255.255.255 I then added a route with the work IP address range: route add -net 10.83.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev tun0 However, I cannot access the servers at all. What have I done wrong and/or missed? Thanks for your help Felix

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Re: wlug Digest, Vol 170, Issue 12
by async 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

Why don't you try using the python scripting language. It is really simple and this thing was kinda my first project. See www.python.org Their site has all the docs and a tutorial to get you started. async

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Free wiki space?
by Ian McDonald 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

Folks, Does anybody have any recommendations for free Wiki space? I am thinking of maybe wikispaces.org as this looks OK and content is under Creative Commons. I am looking at this for todo for DCCP kernel development and it is a bit detailed, dynamic and hard core for the WLUG website in my opinion... Ian

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Part Time Linux Work At RimuHosting
by Peter 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

Hi. I'm looking to hire a part time Linux person to help with customer support over at http://rimuhosting.com. I've posted some info about what I'm looking for here: http://forums.rimuhosting.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130 RimuHosting is based out of Cambridge, but the intent is that most of the work is doable remotely (i.e. from home). It is evening work and may suit a Linux-mad uni student wanting to gain some IT work experience. Regards, Peter http://rimuhosting.com - Linux VPS Hosting

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OSDL promoting the idea of a patents commons
by Ian McDonald 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

Have a look at: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-0…

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New Zealand Linux Wiki
by Craig Box 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

Hi everyone, At the last WLUG committee meeting, we discussed the topic of the "NZLUG view" into the WLUG wiki. The issue is that we have a very complete archive of Linux knowledge related to New Zealand that some people incorrectly believe "you have to be a WLUG member to use". The WLUG committee are committed to making our wiki useful and accessible to everyone, while retaining its identity as "the official WLUG website". We would like the wiki to be relevant to all of NZ's Linux users, not just those involved with WLUG or NZLUG. We also respect that much of the content has specific relevance to only New Zealand. Much discussion took place on the various options to rectify this situation, with the two main options being: * Remove the "NZLUG view" until a national organisation is in place * Rebrand the "NZLUG view" as a New Zealand Linux Wiki, now The committee decided that the first option may send the wrong signals regarding our intentions, and has therefore decided to offer the alternative view under the tentative name of "New Zealand Linux Wiki", and publicise it to all New Zealand LUGs. Feel free to check out the modified site at http://wiki.linux.net.nz/. Comments are welcome (offlist in the first instance please). Regards Craig

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Artwork required
by Craig Box 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

Hi, Anyone with an artistic bent willing to do a bit of simple artwork for a website related to WLUG? Please contact me off list. Thanks, Craig

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business

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Linux tutorial on hardware
by Ian McDonald 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

Hi there, There is quite a good tutorial gone online at: https://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/l-lpic1101/ You do need to register to read. This looks like material that can be used towards LPI exams. Regards, Ian

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RE: [wlug] suse linux goes community
by David Nicholls 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

9.3 seems to have bumped up its detection of hardware I'm pleased to say. It managed to detect an old scsi card that 9.1 & 9.2 both did not pick up. As a consequence I now have my tape drive & cdrwiter back... Yay! You can also choose a gnome install for suse (it's been my default choice since 9.0) although a few people up @ the uni seem to prefer the kde install. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeperdesign.com] Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 10:55 pm Subject: Re: [wlug] suse linux goes community Hmmm... the System admins at work were waving around copies of SuSE 9.3 the other day. I only just installed FC4 on my Laptop and I'm happy enough with that. Certainly the Geekiest of the Sys Admins at work seemed to think SuSE was nice. Though he still uses primarily FC. I've toyed briefly with a SuSE 9.x Live CD just after I got my Laptop. It didn't detect all the hardware as well as FC3 did so I didn't dally with it long. Also, I'm not a big KDE fan. Good too see that Novell is being more open about SuSE development though. The whole Cathedral built from OpenSource bricks idea is not so good IMO.

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suse linux goes community
by David Nicholls 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

you might find this interesting... <http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050802-5162.html> SuSE goes community 8/2/2005 11:40:34 PM, by Ryan Paul <mailto:segphault(a)sbcglobal.net> The community dynamic perpetually stimulates the progress, development, and communication that enable distributions like Gentoo, Fedora, and Ubuntu to maintain their position at the pinnacle of Linux popularity. In an attempt to create a community of its own, Novell plans to announce <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1843097,00.asp> the creation of an OpenSuSE community at LinuxWorld in San Francisco. Novell intends to make the entire body of SuSE Linux source code available to the public by the end of 2006 via its future OpenSuse.org web site. Novell believes that collaboration with the Linux community will substantially benefit Novell as well as Linux developers and consumers. Novell's open source marketing director, Greg Mancusi-Ungaro says "We're trying to make it easier for application developers to come to Suse, create forks, create packages and build the software." Source code accessibility will bring new developers into the fold, which could potentially yield exceptional new technologies. It will also broaden the base of active testers, which will enable Novell to squish bugs faster. Despite plans to make the new, fully open incarnation SuSE Linux widely available at no charge via Internet downloads and CD give-aways, Novell will also sell OpenSuSE in boxed sets. Distribution and availability are key in this game, and the marketing minds at Novell are well aware of it. According to Mancusi-Ungaro, Novell previously "made [SuSE] not widely available--just retail stores or a packaged download from an FTP. It's not the easiest way to gain a large user community." He says that Novell now plans to "give away thousands [of copies] at user group events." Migration towards a community model is always a very positive change for everyone involved. The value of a strong community is possibly best seen in Ubuntu (which means "I am what I am because of who we all are"), a widely popular Linux distribution that places an incomparable emphasis on collaboration. Ubuntu was named best community of the year, and best distribution of the year in the 2004 Ars Technica Linux Awards <http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars> and continues to be a favorite of the Linux.Ars crew. By establishing a well-knit community of users and developers, Novell hopes that SuSE will be able to achieve the level of success and notoriety attained by open distributions like Ubuntu. SuSE has always been a popular commercial distribution, and now by actively engaging its fans in the development process, it could become one of the new Linux leaders, both on corporate desktops and in the homes of individual users. Novell is already the proud custodian of countless imperative Linux technologies like Mono, Evolution, Hula and Beagle. OpenSuSE will give Novell even more leverage as it struggles against fierce competitors like RedHat and Mandriva. The notion of an open SuSE is not a new one. In May, Jason Perlow wrote an article for Linux Magazine in which he states: "It's pretty darn clear to me that to make mojo, SuSE Linux Professional needs to look deep into its roots and re-birth itself as a public, open-source project similar to Fedora." Now that Novell has heeded the call of the community, SuSE will have an opportunity to grow and evolve in ways that it never could before, and Novell will have many excellent opportunities to capitalize on increased community interest. David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant d.nicholls at waikato.ac.nz School of Science & Engineering / Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato Hamilton, New Zealand

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Software Info, Wiki with file attachments?
by Andrew Thrift 08 Aug '05

08 Aug '05

Hi, Just wondering if anyone knows of a PHP based wiki that allows users to attach binary files to a page. e.g. a page called "ServicePack4" could have a description and attached a copy of Service Pack 4. Users would also be able to attach files themselves. I have a use for it internal to our company for keeping track of information relating to client sites. Regards, Andrew Thrift

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RE: [wlug] Announcing Planet WLUG
by Lindsay Druett 07 Aug '05

07 Aug '05

Looks cool :) I could get the person of the month up and running again :) > They're a great way to get a summarised view of what is happening in a > community. > > WLUG's planet can be found at http://planet.wlug.org.nz/ surprisingly > enough. > > If you have a a blog and want to be added let me know.

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Announcing Planet WLUG
by Matt Brown 06 Aug '05

06 Aug '05

Hi, WLUG now has a planet. If you've not heard of one of these before it's basically a blog aggregator. Some of the more famous planets are at http://planet.gnome.org/ http://planet.debian.org/ http://planet.ubuntu.com/ They're a great way to get a summarised view of what is happening in a community. WLUG's planet can be found at http://planet.wlug.org.nz/ surprisingly enough. If you have a a blog and want to be added let me know. Cheers -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz

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Reminder: linux.conf.au 2006 - Call For Papers
by Mike Beattie 05 Aug '05

05 Aug '05

2006 - Dunedin, NZ! linux.conf.au is the annual Australian Linux technical conference, and is one of the largest gatherings of users and developers of Free and Open Source Software in the Southern Hemisphere. It is an opportunity for developers and groups to present their ideas amongst peers, and for the Free Software and Open Source communities to gather in general. Summary: A gentle reminder that the Call for Papers is open, and there's only one month remaining for submissions! http://lca2006.linux.org.au/cfp.php The 2006 conference is being held in Dunedin, New Zealand, at The University of Otago[1]. More information can be found on the conference website: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/ Call for papers: The organisers of linux.conf.au 2006 would like to invite you to submit a paper for presentation at one of the world's leading Linux community conferences. Most presentations will be of a technical nature, but those covering legal, educational, organisational, community or similar aspects of open source software will also be welcome. Promotional presentations, commercial advertisements, sales pitches and their like are not appropriate for this conference. Papers on the following topics are encouraged: * The Linux kernel, filesystems and networking * Databases and storage * Programming languages and tools * Linux on the desktop: productivity, groupware and GUIs * Multimedia, audio, video, music and games * Security * Linux deployments, practical experience and war stories * Linux on unusual platforms: embedded systems, virtual systems, handhelds and very large systems * Distributions, management and standardization * Other open source projects We are open to a broader range of topics as well, even non-Linux based projects. So, submit it to us anyway! Please note however, that all presentations must be based on 'open source' software and projects. We have two (very different) main presentation formats: 120+ minute interactive tutorials and 50 minute seminars. You may also wish to participate in a miniconf, lightning talk, BOF session, or present a poster. ** Submission Guidelines Abstracts are required for paper, tutorial and work in progress presentations. Abstracts should be up to 400 words and be submitted to the Paper Review Committee via the web page: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/cfp/ Submission requires pre-registration as an Author, providing the following information: * Author's full name (and preferred handle, if any) * Author's complete email address * Author's affiliation with commercial or relevant organisations * Author's postal address * Author's telephone and/or mobile numbers, with area and country codes. * Author's short biography, in around 1 - 3 paragraphs. * Whether travel and accommodation assistance will be required Abstracts and biographies should be submitted as plain text. The final paper should be submitted in an appropriate open format, such as 7-bit ASCII text, HTML, DocBook or LaTeX. Any featured software in papers must be available under a licence compatible with the Open Source Definition[2]. Any papers that are accompanied by non-disclosure agreement forms will be rejected. All successful papers must be eligible for republication on-line and on distribution media given to conference attendees. linux.conf.au requires publication rights to accepted papers, including the publication of the audio proceedings as well as publication and reproduction rights to any video filmed during the presentations. These rights are non-exclusive. Copyright ownership is retained by the author. Submitting an abstract indicates understanding of and consent to these conditions. In the event that you miss one of the deadlines we reserve the right to revoke any offer to present your paper. We take having the paper for the conference proceedings very seriously and late submissions place an undue burden on our formatting team. ** Travel and Accommodation Assistance Some financial assistance is available for speakers' travel and accommodation in cases of need. Please indicate in the appropriate place during registration as an Author if this is the case. Financial assistance may be withheld if final complete submissions aren't received by the date specified above. Dates to Remember: * CFP Opened: Tuesday July 12, 2005 * Abstracts Due: Tuesday September 5, 2005 * Notifications by Review Committee begin: Wednesday September 20, 2005 * Final Complete Submissions Due: Friday December 1, 2005 * Conference begins: Monday January 23, 2006 Please feel free to forward this announcement to your local LUG, or any other person or group that would be interested! [1]: http://www.otago.ac.nz/ [2]: http://www.opensource.org/osd.html Regards, Mike Beattie, linux.conf.au 2006 Organisers

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Trying to contact Bryce Utting
by zcat 04 Aug '05

04 Aug '05

If Bryce is on the list or if anyone here knows how to get hold of him, please tell him to give me a call, 8551826 thanks..

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wlug server (hoiho)
by John R. McPherson 02 Aug '05

02 Aug '05

Before people start noticing and complaining, there is currently a problem with the server due to a misconfigured firewall. Not sure when it will be brought back up - Craig M (who's hosting it) doesn't seem to be around at the moment. John

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Waikato Linux Users Group Inc. Statement on discuss@meta.net.nz
by Greig McGill 02 Aug '05

02 Aug '05

Waikato Linux Users Group Inc. Statement on discuss(a)meta.net.nz =============================================================== Tuesday, 2nd August 2005 WLUG affirms the goals listed in our Interim Statement dated 26 July 2005 on the formation of a National Linux Body and encourages all interested parties from around the country to participate in the discussion on the mailing list setup for that purpose. -- Greig McGill President Waikato Linux Users Group Inc.

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Invitation to participate in discussion about a national Linux body
by Matt Brown 01 Aug '05

01 Aug '05

Tue, 2 August 2005 Recently, discussion has taken place in a number of forums around the creation of a national Linux body in New Zealand. We (the undersigned) envisage a national Linux organisation for New Zealand which would be very closely modelled on the successful Linux Australia. In particular, such an organisation would have the following broad goals: * Support, resource and promote local LUGs[1] * Provide national co-ordination services (speaker organisation, etc) * Provide web/email/mailing list hosting for LUGs where required * Seek funding from corporates and other interested parties in order to provide financial support to LUGs and individuals to foster F/OSS[2] development efforts and support attendance at F/OSS conferences. * Partner with organisations like NZOSS[3] to advocate and educate the community (and particularly the Government) on the benefits of Linux and F/OSS. * Partner with organisations like Linux AU to support and enhance the LCA conference. * Provide SIG[4] mailing lists and support services for NZ F/OSS users The national organisation would not perform the functions of a LUG itself, instead it would: * Provide a central location where users could be connected to their local LUG * Provide co-ordination and communication between individual LUGs * Undertake national initiatives supported by all LUGs * Aggregate LUG opinion and present a unified voice to the Government and other industry groups. * Support the formation of local LUGs in areas where they currently do not exist. We believe that to be successful such a group must be separate to local LUGs but have strong relationships with each of the LUGs around the country. A mailing list has been setup at discuss(a)meta.net.nz; see https://secure.meta.net.nz/mailman/listinfo/discuss for details on how to subscribe. All interested parties are invited to join this list and participate in the disucssion. In particular, we would like to see robust discussion of the above goals and also of the scope of the organisation: * What should the name of the organisation be (LinuxNZ, NZ Linux)? * Should the group seek to enhance an already existing group (eg NZOSS)? * Should it seek to support other Free Operating Systems (*BSD, etc)? * Should it seek to support F/OSS on other Operating Systems, eg Mozilla / OpenOffice.org on Windows? * How should the organisation be organised legally? * What should the nature of the group's relationships with NZOSS and Linux Australia be? Our intention is to solicit opinions until about 1 October 2005. At that point we would hope to be able to be in a position to put together a more formal proposal to refine the discussion. All going well it would be great to be able to hold the inaugural AGM of the new organisation during LCA'06 in Dunedin in the final week of January 2006. We look forward to seeing you on the discussion list. Kind Regards -- Craig Box <linux(a)dubculture.co.nz> Matt Brown <matt(a)mattb.net.nz> John McPherson <jrm21(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> Footnotes 1. Linux User Group(s) 2. Free and Open Source Software 3. NZ Open Source Society 4. Special Interest Group

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Interesting article on software patents
by Craig Box 01 Aug '05

01 Aug '05

Following the presentation from Denise Tyrer-Harding from Pipers on Monday, I thought some of you might be interested in reading an article from the New York Times on software patents: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/31/business/yourmoney/31digi.html?pagewanted… (If you're one of those people who care about online registration, try using 'cypherpunk' as the username and password. Or bouncing through Google. Or adding &referrer=something to the end of the URL. Or using bugmenot.com I don't know, I signed up.) Craig

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Fedora, RPM, and repositories.
by Oliver Jones 31 Jul '05

31 Jul '05

Hi Folks. I've recently upgraded from FC3 to FC4 on my laptop and I'd like to ask about others experiences with RPMs and the different repositories out there. Personally I think the whole Fedora repository thing is getting a little messy. At the moment I'm just using the FC, Fedora Extras, Livna.org, nRRPMS-mono and JPackage repositories because they are all "compatible" with each other. However there are a number of other repositories out there like Dag Weirs, Dries, ATrpms etc that have lots of neat stuff but tend to be fairly incompatible with FC+FE. Ie, they duplicate packages found in Core or Extras. I'd be interested to hear about how others are dealing with repo incompatibility issues when using Fedora. I'd also like to hear about any advocacy or repository merging stuff that is going on that anyone knows about. Regards

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Philip Hazel's Exim talk at WLUG
by Craig Box 31 Jul '05

31 Jul '05

Hi everyone, On the 1st of February we were happy to have Philip Hazel, author of Exim and PCRE, present to WLUG (see http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-02-01 for the writeup). The meeting was videoed and was then encoded by R2 in Wellington. You can find it with the NZNOG talks at http://www.r2.co.nz/20050203/, else a direct link is at http://www.r2.co.nz/20050203/p-hazel.asx. Be warned, the entire talk comes in at about 650mb. If anyone is interested I might be able to get a couple of copies on CD at the next meeting. With the win32 codecs (w32codecs package from Marillat on Ubuntu) you can play this stream with mplayer. Regards, Craig

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Jul '05

31 Jul '05

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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RE: [wlug] Ubuntu apt widget and name issue(Hoary 5.04)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

---- Original Message Follows ----- > > I have checked for case errors and tried a variety of ways > of putting the pass it simply does not work. > There are three likely outcomes after I type a > password.<enter> > 1 The widget disappears and nothing further happens. > 2 The widget returns "Failed to run < name of programme> > Child terminated with 1 status" > 3 returns a password error message (least likely) > Regards John Lets review this. Warty then Hoary 5.04 It took me a long time to get this distro installed. I think the main reason for this was that I was a bit afraid of losing my Ntfs partion (XP win with a working 54m wireless card) so I allowed the auto partion to do its thing. What happened was the install went ahead but failed right at the end because there was no / root partion. auto partition made a 8.7 gig non root ext3 and a 512 bootable swap. The way I finally overcame this error by reinstalling but choosing the "expert" mode (Yep, John the expert) I could then choose a partion with a /root I still stayed with the two partitions 8.7gig /ext3 and 512meg bootable swap. the result of this was that I got (for the first time ) a non crippled but not quite fully funtional Ubuntu laptop. the problems that I _KNOW_a little about are 1.. The last thing about the install was a message telling me to become su and run cron. I do not know what the actual message said or how to recover the message in order to read it 2.. The widgets that require a user pass word are returning "fail" with a child <n> error 3.. I have no sounds because I have not joined the correct group yet. In an attempt to get this right I have downloaded a several thousand more words to read from a number of Debian areas with a view to doing yet another, perhaps even more successfull instal. If any Wlug members would like to add some helpful comments (on or off list) I would appreciatte their input as I am determined to do this this thing at some time of my life.. Regards John

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Wiki Commons licence. ATTN: Criag
by DrWho? 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Got an email, I think, about approving the few mods I made to the Wiki. Can you send it again? Thanks.

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Re: [wlug] Knoppix, apt
by Camster342 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

> > 1. Working out from my knoppix machine at work which packages it's > > going to need. 2. saving that list somehow, going home, downloading > > all of the packages at home. 3. Writing a CDRW or something with those > > packages. 4. Configuring apt on my machine at work to get all of the > > packages it needs from the CDRW, rather than the net. > I have a script setup to do this type of thing (although in reverse) > it basically consists of ... > [snip] Thanks very much! This was exactly what I needed. -- Cameron

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Unsubscribed posts
by Craig Box 28 Jul '05

28 Jul '05

Oliver Jones writes: On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 09:53 +1200, Matt Brown wrote: > On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 08:16 +1200, jaytee(a)clear.net.nz wrote: > > When I run update-manager as root I get > > "(synaptic:7648): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_destroy: > > assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed > > Note that if you're running update-manager from a console window then > you can probably safely ignore these messages. They do indicate a bug in > the application but it's almost certainly non fatal and will just be a > memory leak or something. GTK is amazingly anal. Soooo many Gnome apps generate these sorts of messages. You would think that developers would get rid of them. I certainly would if I were writing GTK/Gnome software. But that is just me. But then lots of Gnome apps (even "professional" ones like Evolution) commonly crash. I love Linux, but for all the "linux is so stable" rhetoric out there, GUI apps in Linux are not always the best. Which is why more GUI apps should not be written in C/C++. More python I say. Even Java would be a good option now with the way GCJ is maturing and the Gnome/Java bindings. I would also give props to Mono as that looks pretty cool but until it is on safer legal ground I can't. Regards -- Michael Honeyfield writes: > You know, if they actually bothered coming to hamilton I'd actually go. > Seing as I use suse linux 9.2 and all as does the uni in certain areas. I have asked Andreas if the content will be made downloadable from Novell. Yes, Hamilton seems to be missed all too often. I would certainly attend also as I am a user of suse also, home and work. Mike -- Both of these people posted from an unsubscribed address. Please remember that *messages posted from an unsubscribed address are dropped on the floor* (or realistically, to my Bounces folder :) I can't recover them, I can only forward them like this. If you are likely to find yourself in this situation, feel free to subscribe as many addresses as you need as 'nomail' - they will not receive any messages but they can post them. See the link in the footer below if you need any more info. listadminnyCraig

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Knoppix, apt
by Camster342 28 Jul '05

28 Jul '05

Hi people, first time poster here... Okay, this is somewhat difficult to explain, but I'll try my best. I use Knoppix 3.8.1 at work, but I cannot get good internet access (it keeps randomly cutting off downloads larger than about 500K), and I want to update/replace a couple of packages, but I know that doing this is going to require a whole lot of dependencies. First of all I want to replace OpenOffice.org with an english version (this knoppix only came with the german version). And then I want to upgrade KDE from 3.3.2 to 3.4.1. I want to do this by 1. Working out from my knoppix machine at work which packages it's going to need. 2. saving that list somehow, going home, downloading all of the packages at home. 3. Writing a CDRW or something with those packages. 4. Configuring apt on my machine at work to get all of the packages it needs from the CDRW, rather than the net. Has anyone had to something like this before? The ones that I think I need pointers on are going to be 1 and 4. Anyone know how I would go about those in particular? -- Cameron

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RE: [wlug] Ubuntu apt widget and name issue(Hoary 5.04)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 28 Jul '05

28 Jul '05

I have checked for case errors and tried a variety of ways of putting the pass it simply does not work. There are three likely outcomes after I type a password.<enter> 1 The widget disappears and nothing further happens. 2 The widget returns "Failed to run < name of programme> Child terminated with 1 status" 3 returns a password error message (least likely) Regards John

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RE: [wlug] FW: Novell CHOICE Roadshow
by David Nicholls 27 Jul '05

27 Jul '05

You know, if they actually bothered coming to hamilton I'd actually go. Seing as I use suse linux 9.2 and all as does the uni in certain areas. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Craig Box [mailto:craig(a)dubculture.co.nz] Subject: [wlug] FW: Novell CHOICE Roadshow (originally from nzlug mailing list) Hello fellow NZLugers! The Novell Choice Linux Roadshow is starting this week and on the following dates we are in the following cities. Please register for free for the event with Kristi kwildish(a)novell.com. 28th July Christchurch 2nd August Wellington 10th August Auckland The Agenda: Morning 8:30-9:00 Registration with Tea/Coffee/Muffins 9:00 - 9:15 Introduction to event and positioning of CHOICE - Matthew Christie, Country Manager of Novell 9:15 - 9:45 Novell Linux Desktop, Workgroup Linux and Management - Novell, Andreas Girardet 9:45-10:15 The Data Centre and LINUX - David Woolford Oracle 10:15-10:45 Linux Reference Architecture - Buddika Aluwihare, HP 10:45- 11:00 The Cathedral and the Bizarre. Why Linux has become such an interest. - David Woolford Oracle 11:00-11:15 The Open Source Community. What is it and how to get involved - Andreas Girardet Novell 11:15-11:45 How to Adopt Linux- what, where and how to start! - OSS 11:45 - noon Close of event - Matthew Christie 1:00-2:00 Hands on workshops begin. 50 people split in 2 groups. Desktop in one room, Oracle in another Regards, Andreas Girardet Consulting Architect Novell, Inc.

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"Bus Error" when running apt-get, and how it went away.
by Glyn Webster 26 Jul '05

26 Jul '05

At the last meeting I told some friendly people I had problems with 'synaptic', 'aptitude', and 'apt-get' all crashing with a "Bus Error" on my Ubuntu installation. They all began to work again after I ran 'dselect'; I assume 'dselect' somehow repaired the package database while updating it. Yay: a grave bug in the APT package management system has been hidden away until Next Time! :-) I mention this because the friendly people (whose names I'm sorry I can't remember) said to describe my problem again on the mailing list. -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity Himself.

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FW: Novell CHOICE Roadshow
by Craig Box 26 Jul '05

26 Jul '05

(originally from nzlug mailing list) Hello fellow NZLugers! The Novell Choice Linux Roadshow is starting this week and on the following dates we are in the following cities. Please register for free for the event with Kristi kwildish(a)novell.com. 28th July Christchurch 2nd August Wellington 10th August Auckland The Agenda: Morning 8:30-9:00 Registration with Tea/Coffee/Muffins 9:00 - 9:15 Introduction to event and positioning of CHOICE - Matthew Christie, Country Manager of Novell 9:15 - 9:45 Novell Linux Desktop, Workgroup Linux and Management - Novell, Andreas Girardet 9:45-10:15 The Data Centre and LINUX - David Woolford Oracle 10:15-10:45 Linux Reference Architecture - Buddika Aluwihare, HP 10:45- 11:00 The Cathedral and the Bizarre. Why Linux has become such an interest. - David Woolford Oracle 11:00-11:15 The Open Source Community. What is it and how to get involved - Andreas Girardet Novell 11:15-11:45 How to Adopt Linux- what, where and how to start! - OSS 11:45 - noon Close of event - Matthew Christie 1:00-2:00 Hands on workshops begin. 50 people split in 2 groups. Desktop in one room, Oracle in another Regards, Andreas Girardet Consulting Architect Novell, Inc., the leading provider of information solutions http://www.novell.com My phonenumbers: NZ Mobile: 0064-027-645-9827 NZ Landline: 0064-09-3081402 Germany: 0049-0180-16666-269-609 USA (WA): 001-360-488-0966 USA (NY): 001-347-952-3413 UK: 0044-087-04902877 UK: 0044-087-09315298 Italy: 0039-02-303127527 Austria: 0043-0720-503393

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WLUG and NZLUG tentative position
by Greig McGill 26 Jul '05

26 Jul '05

Waikato Linux Users Group Inc. Interim Statement on National Linux Body ======================================================================= Tue, 26 July 2005 During this year discussion has intensified around the creation of a national Linux body in New Zealand. WLUG committee members have been involved in this discussion and WLUG has shown its commitment to the ideal of a national linux body by offering to host an "NZLUG Theme" into the WLUG Wiki. WLUG envisages a national Linux organisation for New Zealand which would be very closely modelled on the successful Linux Australia. In particular such an organisation would have the following broad goals: - Support, resource and promote local LUGs - Provide national co-ordination services (speaker organisation, etc) - Provide hosting for LUGs where required - Provide financial support - Partner with organisations like NZOSS to advocate and educate the community (and particularly Government) on the benefits of Linux and OSS. - Partner with organisations like Linux AU to support and enhance the LCA conference. The national organisation would not perform the functions of a LUG itself, instead it would: - Provide a central location where users could be connected to their local LUG - Provide co-ordination and communication between individual LUGs - Undertake national initiatives supported by all LUGs - Aggregate LUG opinion and present a unified voice to the Government and other industry groups. The WLUG committee intends to meet this Friday (July 29) to discuss this issue further and to formulate WLUG's definitive position on this subject. We look forward to working with other members of the New Zealand Linux community in trying to create a national Linux organisation. Please direct all submissions on this matter to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz before midday on the 29th of July. -- Greig McGill President Waikato Linux Users Group Inc.

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RE: [wlug] Setting up and learning MySQL
by David Nicholls 26 Jul '05

26 Jul '05

Hi rod, I suggest you go here ( http://dev.mysql.com/doc/ ) and check out the different forms of documentation - one even has user comments. You can also download tarballed html and PDFs etc. I myself have found this site extremely helpful in the past. There are other sites around dealing with mysql and they should be easy to find, by the official site is pretty good. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Roderick Aldridge [mailto:rod-a(a)hnpl.net] Subject: Re: [wlug] Setting up and learning MySQL James Clark wrote: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 12:59:13AM +1200, Roderick Aldridge wrote: > >>Do you just run the install script (as root?) ---snip--- > > Cheers, > James. > I installed mysql and mysql-client using synaptic but I see I didn't install the documentation, which I have since done. However it seems to be an info version of what I read on the mysql website. This looks to be just what is needed for an expert, but leaves me uncertain as to what has already been done by synaptic and what I need to do to achieve what I want. For example the installation section of the info manual says: ---snip--- I think synaptic has done most or all of that and I that should go on to post-installation setup and testing, but how do you tell? There is no sign of mysql on my user menu. Do I need to add rod to the mysql user group? Rod

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Ubuntu apt widget and name issue(Hoary 5.04)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 25 Jul '05

25 Jul '05

When I run update-manager as root I get "(synaptic:7648): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_destroy: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done" It did however down load a small update for Mozilla. If I try to run it (or anything else) from the gui I am asked for a password by the widget. My root pass and my user pass does not work (even Gandhalf is no good) I think this last issue is unrelated, on boot I get "ror: temporary unable to resolve name" Any help on this would be welcome Regards John

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Setting up and learning MySQL
by Roderick Aldridge 25 Jul '05

25 Jul '05

I have installed MySQL on Ubuntu but have not initialised anything yet. I want to learn it well enough to set up a simple database for my audio collection and also a simple database for work. Neither will be on-line or need high security. What is the easiest way to initialise it? Do you just run the install script (as root?) shell> cd mysql_installation_directory shell> ./scripts/mysql_install_db shell> ./bin/safe_mysqld --user=mysql & or shell> ./bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql & if you are running MySQL 4.x. and continuing? I want to set it up for user rod to be able to experiment easily without ruining everything. Also what and tutorial GUI would you reccommend for my purposes? I see the python front-end was also installed along with MySQL and I have installed mysqlcc. Any pointers greatly appreciated Roderick Aldridge

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Jul '05

24 Jul '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ! WLUG Meeting - 25 July 2005 Location: University of Waikato, http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB Time: 7pm Denise Tyrer-Harding of Pipers (http://www.pipers.co.nz/) is scheduled to speak to the WLUG about IntellectualProperty within New Zealand. Denise is a highly regarded IntellectualProperty lawyer and we look forward to what she has to say.

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Jul '05

24 Jul '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ! WLUG Meeting - 25 July 2005 Location: University of Waikato, http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB Time: 7pm Denise Tyrer-Harding of Pipers (http://www.pipers.co.nz/) is scheduled to speak to the WLUG about IntellectualProperty within New Zealand. Denise is a highly regarded IntellectualProperty lawyer and we look forward to what she has to say.

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 17 Jul '05

17 Jul '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ! WLUG Meeting - 25 July 2005 Denise Tyrer-Harding of Pipers (http://www.pipers.co.nz/) is scheduled to speak to the WLUG about IntellectualProperty within New Zealand. Denise is a highly regarded IntellectualProperty lawyer and we look forward to what she has to say.

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Installing OOo beta on Ubuntu
by Graham Lauder 15 Jul '05

15 Jul '05

Need a little help here for an rpm centric user I put the latest OOo beta in my Ubuntu box and ran alien with -i to convert and install Everything seemed to go swimmingly . All files in the right place and installation exactly as would expect. However, the executable: soffice, won't run. I ran ls -la and soffice permissions read: --------- interesting Anyway I'm definitely a deb newbie, so I'm scratching my head a bit. Anyone else used Alien to get OOo 1.9.113 running on Ubuntu or would have a suggestion what to try. I also did a simple conversion from rpm to deb. Would that be a better way to go rather using Alien to do the install. And having said that what's the install procedure. man install is of course no bloody use at all. ;) Cheers Yo

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Exim 4 and vm-pop3d
by Michael Honeyfield 14 Jul '05

14 Jul '05

Is there anyone here that has working knowledge of Exim 4 with virtual domains using vm-pop3d ? Cheers Mike

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New MythTV music player on the way - something to help hack on?
by Craig Box 13 Jul '05

13 Jul '05

One of the complaints we have about MythTV is that the music player is very unintuitive. Have a brief read of the thread http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2005-July/038011.html where some discussion is underway about a replacement that is a frontend/backend system, using the DAAP protocol (http://daap.sourceforge.net/) that ITunes uses. http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mfd - backend http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mfe - frontend When I get home I'm very interested in having a look at this and it might pay to look at helping this project rather than doing anything with MythMusic. Craig

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SATA RAID cards
by Bnonn 13 Jul '05

13 Jul '05

Hi guys I'm looking for a 2-port SATA RAID 1 card, which I'll be installing into a P3 1 GHz to make up a wee webserver running Ubuntu. I currently have my eye on the Adaptec 1210SA or the Promise FastTrak TX2200/TX4200 cards. Both of these appear to have Linux driver support, although the websites only list specific distros so I suspect they're binary drivers only. Does anyone know of any thorny issues I should be aware of? I've done some searching and couldn't find anything conclusive either way. I don't want to spend too much on the card, but I'm willing to pay a little more for a card which is known to work (I couldn't find a list of supported RAID controller cards for Ubuntu; if anyone can point me in the right direction I'd be appreciative). If anyone has any other cards they know work and can recommend, I'd be pleased to hear from them. Regards Bnonn

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 12 Jul '05

12 Jul '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business

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ISO + Modem questions
by Dean 11 Jul '05

11 Jul '05

I solved my modem problem yesterday by using pppconfig instead of the GUI one Ubuntu provides, I'm not sure whats wrong with it, but something is definatly broken. I'm not sure if ubuntu comes with pppconfig by default (I downloaded it and installed it before checking) if not I used the package from http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/pppconfig I then installed the package and used it, just as easy as the GUI to setup, and all you need to use are pon <name of connection> and poff <name> and all works wonderfully :) Hope that works, Dean > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:20:43 +1200 > From: Ivan Potgieter <tealsky(a)bigfoot.com> > Subject: [wlug] ISO + Modem questions > To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: <42CFB30B.5(a)bigfoot.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi all, <snip> > > I realize that the speed test is not going to be overly accurate, but > I'm not concerned with getting an accurate speed measurement. I just > used this method to get a comparison. btw - I did the 500k test. > > Does anyone have any ideas / suggestions ? > > Thanks > Ivan

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ISO + Modem questions
by Ivan Potgieter 10 Jul '05

10 Jul '05

Hi all, I have been running Ubuntu now for a few weeks (on a test box) and I am continuously finding new 'gems' in the GUI. It does handle writing ISO images to disk very well, but I found no way to create an iso image of an (existing) disk from within the Ubuntu (Gnome) GUI? (I was trying to copy the Ubuntu Live CD). I had to use 'dd' from a console - is there another way? ALSO: I am having some trouble with my external modem... * The abridged version * Good connection using Win2K, SLOW connection using Ubuntu. * Detailed version * Step1: To begin, I checked to see what modem I had via MiniCom: atz OK ati1 External Controller Ver1.20, CheckSum=617A OK ati3 TP560 Data/Fax/Voice 56K Modem OK - So it is a (generic) 56K Modem. Step2: I used Win2k to perform a speed test (it's the pc nearest to the phone line) Connected to http://www.jestreamgames.co.nz/speed/ Quite a respectable speed (43 K bits/sec) Step3: I connected the modem to Com1 on my Ubuntu box, it connected, but the same test (on the same phone line) gave me 0.9 K bytes / sec! I realize that the speed test is not going to be overly accurate, but I'm not concerned with getting an accurate speed measurement. I just used this method to get a comparison. btw - I did the 500k test. Does anyone have any ideas / suggestions ? Thanks Ivan

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