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Beta version of Google Earth now available
by Chris O'Halloran 14 Jun '06

14 Jun '06

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060613-7041.html http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 14 Jun '06

14 Jun '06

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Dapper distro (64bit)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 12 Jun '06

12 Jun '06

Hi All, I successfully downloaded and installed the new Ubuntu Dapper and have so far managed to get some of my media(Mpeg and wmv) to work plus flash player. However when I try to play a DVD it suggests I may not have permission. In properties it is a root only file so how do I change this please? Regards John

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MySQL database
by Chris O'Halloran 11 Jun '06

11 Jun '06

Hello, I tried upgrading Kubuntu Breezy to Dapper using the "alternative CD" It didn't work particulary well and so I looked at kubuntu.org for information on what to do. The upshot is, in the words of the website, that I have "hosed" my Kubuntu install. Naturally enough I didn't do a backup before had because everything that I had done with Kubuntu in the past had worked fine. I have Suse10 installed on other partitions and I can happily see my kubuntu partitions so the file systems aren't corrupt, its just that Kubuntu won't boot anymore. I'll happily resign myself to a fresh install of Kubuntu Dapper except the only data I don't know how to retrieve is information stored in my phpwiki that relies on MySQL for the content storage. I'd forgotten I had it on my machine but now that I have remembered it I'd really like it back. Is my data recoverable from MySQL? I don't mind if I have to cut and paste everything back into the wiki. It doesn' contain heaps of data but it does contain some techobabble gems and I would like to recover them if possible. Is it doomed?

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Soundcards
by Chris O'Halloran 10 Jun '06

10 Jun '06

Hello, I was wondering if people might care to comment on their experiences with soundcards and linux support. I have a Pentium III Coppermine on a motherboard with an onboard sound card. lspci> Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 21) To date the sound card has worked fine playing ogg files and mp3's. However, where it seems to struggle is with programs like Skype and Openwengo, two VOIP applications. I believe it has something to do with operating in full duplex ie it can't record and play at the same time (I don't have Windows to test this theory) and/or the state of Alsa support for the card is such hardware mixing (which I don't think the card supports) is the only viable option for using these programs I was wondering if people might be able to recommend a PCI sound card that is well supported by/for Linux.

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On Mon June 26, the date of our next meeting,
by Craig Box 10 Jun '06

10 Jun '06

...the WLUG wiki turns four years old. http://www.wlug.org.nz/WikiHistory Any suggestions on how we should commemorate this event? :) Craig

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(no subject)
by Joshua M. Goodwin 09 Jun '06

09 Jun '06

Hi guys, I'm trying to update to Dapper from Kubuntu. I have updated my sources.list as root, replacing "Breezy" with "dapper". I get the following errors.... Building dependency tree... Done Calculating upgrade... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _dapper Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012) dapper/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.10%20%5fdapper%20Badger%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20051012)_dists_dapper_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _dapper Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012) dapper/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.10%20%5fdapper%20Badger%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20051012)_dists_dapper_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/nz.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/nz.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/nz.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/nz.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper-updates_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper-security_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems Help!

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Re: [wlug] Wlug WIKI
by David Nicholls 07 Jun '06

07 Jun '06

Errrm, just as a heads up... I have access to an A0 poster printer (I help maintain it). If cheap printing of banners is what you are after... Email me off list to talk turkey so to speak anyway - the printer is up in the school of science (where I notice you guys posed for that lovely photo) :) Cheers... david > > It's back up now. > > Also, we now have one of these... http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugBanner > > Craig > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Fonts.
by Oliver Jones 07 Jun '06

07 Jun '06

OK.. My bad. It seems last time I twiddled with "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig" I turned on "Autohinting". Bad idea. It makes things fugly. Native is a much better idea. Regards

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Ubuntu documentation
by Craig Box 06 Jun '06

06 Jun '06

There are many reasons that WLUG recommend Ubuntu as a distribution for new and experiences Linux users alike. The one I'd like to point out today is the excellent documentation that is available. http://help.ubuntu.com/ has PDF and HTML versions of guidebooks for the new 6.06 release, covering all variants (GNOME, KDE, XFCE), as well as Ubuntu Server and packaging. The documentation is available under the GNU Free Documentation License, so you can download it and print it yourself, as well as distribute it freely. A company called Lulu are making printed versions available by money-and-postage (http://www.lulu.com/ubuntu-doc) but I imagine shipping to New Zealand would be prohibitive. If enough people are interested, WLUG could investigate having some copies printed and bound, and made available to members at cost. Craig

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Open Office
by Joshua M. Goodwin 06 Jun '06

06 Jun '06

To the WLUG, Howdy! Here's my first question. (BTW I am a novice Linux/ubuntu user -- dual boot and work with Windows networks) I am a Domain Admin trying to access Windows shares ( I have full access). That works fine. I've been using OpenOffice to open Microsoft documents, edit them, and save changes. This has worked fine for 2 weeks. Now, when I try to open these documents, the OpenOffice program starts launching, but never opens the document (or OpenOffice itself). This just started happening today, so it seems like a freak occurence. Some help would be great. Hohua (aka Josh) tech(a)iblp.org.nz

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Ubuntu 6.06 fonts
by Oliver Jones 06 Jun '06

06 Jun '06

Has anyone else noticed in Ubuntu 6.06 that their fonts are all foo. As in rendering all weird and ugly. Especially in Firefox & Thunderbird. Regards

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List admin request: Off-list replies
by Craig Box 05 Jun '06

05 Jun '06

A comment based on this mornings discussion: If something in an e-mail doesn't work for you, it's probably better to send a reply to the sender directly (off-list). This means the person can correct the link or solve the problem, without sending a discussion to all the subscribers that, by the time they get the messages, has become irrelevant. Craig

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cdrecord with Ubuntu 6.06 won't write cd Can anybody help?
by Ron Dean 05 Jun '06

05 Jun '06

This is the error message I get ron(a)ubuntu:~$ cdrecord -v /home/ron/Desktop/ubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso cdrecord: No write mode specified. cdrecord: Asuming -tao mode. cdrecord: Future versions of cdrecord may have different drive dependent defaults. cdrecord: Continuing in 5 seconds... Cdrecord-Clone 2.01.01a01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Joerg Schilling NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version. Please send bug reports and support requests to <cdrtools(a)packages.debian.org>. The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version. cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.15-23-386 cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris. TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM scsidev: '/dev/cdrw' devname: '/dev/cdrw' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported. Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27 Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root? : Operation not permitted Using libscg version 'debian-0.8debian2'. cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial version of libscg (debian-0.8debian2 '@(#)scsitransp.c 1.91 04/06/17 Copyright 1988,1995,2000-2004 J. Schilling'). SCSI buffer size: 64512 atapi: 1 Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 0 Response Format: 2 Capabilities : Vendor_info : 'PIONEER ' Identifikation : 'DVD-RW DVR-110D' Revision : '1.37' Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. Current: 0x0009 Profile: 0x002B Profile: 0x001B Profile: 0x001A Profile: 0x0016 Profile: 0x0015 Profile: 0x0014 Profile: 0x0013 Profile: 0x0011 Profile: 0x0010 Profile: 0x000A Profile: 0x0009 (current) Profile: 0x0008 cdrecord: This version of cdrecord does not include DVD-R/DVD-RW support code. cdrecord: See /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.DVD.Debian for details on DVD support. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R Drive buf size : 1267712 = 1238 KB FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB Track 01: data 697 MB Total size: 801 MB (79:23.98) = 357299 sectors Lout start: 801 MB (79:25/74) = 357299 sectors Current Secsize: 2048 ATIP info from disk: Indicated writing power: 5 Is not unrestricted Is not erasable Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3) ATIP start of lead in: -11634 (97:26/66) ATIP start of lead out: 359846 (79:59/71) Disk type: Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 3 Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation Blocks total: 359846 Blocks current: 359846 Blocks remaining: 2547 Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root? : Operation not permitted Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 40 in real TAO mode for single session. Last chance to quit, starting real write 0 seconds. Operation starts. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. BURN-Free is OFF. Performing OPC... Starting new track at sector: 0 Track 01: 0 of 697 MB written.cdrecord: Success. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 2A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1F 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 04 0E 13 00 00 0E 26 09 30 FE 08 01 00 00 Sense Key: 0x4 Hardware Error, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x08 Qual 0x01 (logical unit communication time-out) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 236126208 (not valid) resid: 63488 cmd finished after 2.085s timeout 40s write track data: error after 0 bytes cdrecord: A write error occured. cdrecord: Please properly read the error message above. Writing time: 19.883s Average write speed 654.9x. Fixating... cdrecord: Success. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 5B 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0E 00 00 00 00 64 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x64 Qual 0x00 (illegal mode for this track) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 0.006s timeout 480s cmd finished after 0.006s timeout 480s cdrecord: Cannot fixate disk. Fixating time: 2.016s cdrecord: fifo had 64 puts and 1 gets. cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%. ron(a)ubuntu:~$

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Wlug WIKI
by Daniel Lawson 03 Jun '06

03 Jun '06

Just a heads up to anyone who hasn't worked it out: the wiki, and hoiho itself, is currently offline. No update on what is wrong with it as yet.

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Stop - Dapper time!
by Craig Box 02 Jun '06

02 Jun '06

It's here. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-June/000083.html There are 9 ISOs in total (three architectures, three types of CD; desktop (live CD), server and 'alternate install', which I believe is the original text mode install CD). I suspect someone might like to arrange a NZ mirror? Craig

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Warren Hughes (IBM) is out of the office.
by Warren Hughes 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

I will be out of the office starting 01/06/2006 and will not return until 02/06/2006. Hi, thanks for your email. I am away on sick leave. I will be checking my email occassionally while away. I will now be back at work on Friday. Cheers, Warren.

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Openfiler
by Chris O'Halloran 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

Some discussions have come about adding another server to reduce the pressure on our existing server. I don't generally make any of the decisions regarding our computer network but a suggestion was made regarding a program/server/technology called openfiler. Given that I am the known open source advocate around here, the question was asked, what did I know about it and did anyone in the wlug have any experience of using it. I assumed it was a software package but its seems is a customized version of a Ret Hat derivate CentOS. http://www.openfiler.org Having a Linux server on the network would definitely be a foot in the door for Linux based software within our company but it would good if the first experience within the company was positive and straightforward. Any comments or does openfiler provide a nice gui install for setting up a network server that could also be acheived using other modern distro? Cheers Chris

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Picasa on Ubuntu.
by Oliver Jones 01 Jun '06

01 Jun '06

I downloaded Picasa for Ubuntu. It works really well. Props to Google. Now if they just made it Open Source. Regards

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 May '06

31 May '06

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Warren Hughes (IBM) is out of the office.
by Warren Hughes 31 May '06

31 May '06

I will be out of the office starting 31/05/2006 and will not return until 01/06/2006. Hi, thanks for your email. I am away on sick leave. I will be checking my email occassionally while away. I hope to be back at work tomorrow (Thursday). Cheers, Warren.

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Re: [wlug] Graphics SiS
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 28 May '06

28 May '06

Hmmn! Negative outcome, not good. *waits for Dapper* John > > Sounds like you are out of luck :-( > > -- > Ian McDonald > Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 > Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com > WAND Network Research Group > Department of Computer Science > University of Waikato > New Zealand > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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what does a good e-mail client need ?
by Gavin Denby 27 May '06

27 May '06

I was reading the cnet article on the need for a mail client to push forward DESKTOP LINUX *E-mail will be the most significant factor governing the uptake of Linux on the desktop, according to a new study. * The Desktop Linux Client Survey 2005, released this week by the Open Source Development Labs, found that the lack of a powerful e-mail application could hinder the adoption of Linux on the desktop. Full story here: http://news.com.com/E-mail+crucial+to+future+of+desktop+Linux/2100-7344_3-5… What I wondered was what does an enterprise e-mail client do that's different from my thunderbird. Is it just the calender? is it notes. I have tried, and hated outlook, probably as I use just e-mail and dont like the complexity of all the other things, but what would happen in an enterprise situation. If you understand this article, can you explain what the novell and mozilla offerings will mean, and will this be the outlook killer. What does outlook do that so vital? Is this another case of its not the same, or are we really missing out on something? any enterprise experince that can help a tech like me understand this ? Is there a really good app for this, could something be done to solve this. After all e-mail is the number 1 app for the net, search is 2 and then web surfing. 2 and 3 are fine, are we missing the boat on 1? I thinks its sufficiently linux related. do we have the Guru's in the lug that could solve this?

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Google Picasa (picture organiser) now available for Linux
by Ian McDonald 26 May '06

26 May '06

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/picture-this-picasa-for-linux.html -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Graphics SiS
by Ron Dean 26 May '06

26 May '06

http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsisvga.shtml I found this site that may help but I still haven't got 3D

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Re: [wlug] Graphics
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 26 May '06

26 May '06

This is the output from my lspci also. I too am keen to see a resolve for this. Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > This is the output lspci 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible > controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741 > /760/761 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Graphics
by Ron Dean 25 May '06

25 May '06

This is the output lspci 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741 /760/761 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter

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Making 3D drivers work
by Ron Dean 25 May '06

25 May '06

On the cd that came with my motherboard with on board graphics is a linux driver sisdrv_430_20040604.o which I have no idea how to install the mother board is an A7S8X-MX . It already works with 2D graphics . I am running Ubuntu 6.06 LTS - the Dapper Drake

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A bash question
by Leslie Katz 25 May '06

25 May '06

Hi again Aristotle. All is, I believe, now resolved. Your latest script didn't work as you'd intended. Each time xmms finished its chore, it sat there without closing. As there were two wma test files to be converted, that meant that xmms had to be closed twice manually before the script finished. (When, however, the script was helped in that way, it ultimately produced two perfect mp3 test files.) I don't know that I'm expressing this properly, but what I had found by trial and error with my script was that the "xmmsctrl quit" command didn't seem to do anything unless there'd been an antecedent "xmmsctrl launch" command; it wasn't enough merely to have earlier started xmms by typing its own name, followed by a reference to a file to be played. When I added to your latest script, immediately before the line "xmms "$src"", the line "xmmsctrl launch", then the script ran from beginning to end without interruption, with xmms opening and closing at the appropriate points. At the same time, by running and rerunning the script and checking the results, I found that the script didn't do its job properly if, when it ran, there was already in the .xmms directory a file called xmms.m3u, which, as I understand it, is a playlist file. I therefore added to the line "xmmsctrl launch" the word "clear" and that put an end to that problem, although if with any potential adverse consequences, I'm not now aware. You asked me whether I had MPlayer. The answer's no. I'm doing all this on an ancient laptop running DSL. I tried to get MPlayer to run on it, but it wouldn't for some reason I can't now remember. In any event, even if it would, it'd be very cramped, given the ancient laptop's specifications. You also raised the issue of changing the script so that it would convert other audio file formats as well. I believe I understand how that could be done, but the circumstances in which I'm struggling with all this are peculiar. I gave the laptop to the son of friends and he's the one who asks me for things he wants to be able to do. I then try to work out (or, to be more accurate, try to get others to work out!) how to do them. The only kind of file he says he wants to convert to mp3 is wma, so, at least for now, the script can be used as it is. My warmest thanks for all the help you've given me with this. Best wishes, Leslie

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slmodem problem
by Xiao Wong 24 May '06

24 May '06

Hi I'm currently having a problem with connecting to my ISP. I'm not sure if it's a setup problem or a protocal problem--I thought I had set up my modem and driver, but when it connects from the terminal (just after it's sending my password), this type of message comes up: --> Don't know what to do! Starting pppd and hoping for the best. --> Starting pppd at Mon May 15 18:19:03 2006 --> pid of pppd: 4635 --> Using interface ppp0 --> Disconnecting at Mon May 15 18:19:34 2006 --> The PPP daemon has died: PPP negotiation failed (exit code = 10) --> man pppd explains pppd error codes in more detail. --> I guess that's it for now, exiting --> The PPP daemon has died. (exit code = 10) Any help for this new Linux user would be appreciated, Xiao _________________________________________________________________ Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers

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A bash question
by Leslie Katz 24 May '06

24 May '06

Hi Aristotle. It was very generous of you to take so much time over "my" script, which, as I mentioned earlier, was almost entirely a mere cobbling together by me of bits and pieces which I'd taken from others. Given that you'd created an alternative script, I took the liberty of trying it out. Having saved it and made it executable by all, I then tried to run it in a terminal window. The directory in which I was when I did so contained two .wma files, Beethoven1.wma, which was a re-named file I'd copied over from my Windows computer, and Beethoven2.wma, which was just a copy of Beethoven1.wma, created so that I could test what happened when I tried to convert multiple files from wma to mp3. This is what happened. I got the following output: "Beethoven1.wma => Beethoven1.wma.wav Could not find "Beethoven1.wma.wav". Beethoven2.wma => Beethoven2.wma.wav" and then the graphical representation of the xmms player appeared on the screen, without any activity being apparent. After some time when nothing had happened, I tried to close that representation, but its close box wouldn't respond. I then closed the terminal window, upon which the xmms window closed too. I then opened xmms and checked the output plugin situation. I found that the output plugin was Disk Writer, which I'd expected, since the script hadn't had the chance to restore the OSS plugin. If what I've reported above suggests to you some tiny glitch in your script and you don't feel that you've spent too much time on it already, I'd be grateful to hear what amendment should be made to it. Best wishes, Leslie

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A bash question
by Leslie Katz 23 May '06

23 May '06

Thank you to all those who took the trouble to reply to my post. Further consideration convinced me that I needed an application additional to xmms to do what I ultimately wanted to do. (What I ultimately wanted to do was to be able to convert files in .wma format to .mp3 format.) That additional application was xmmsctrl and it worked to close xmms. The script I was working on is now in the following form and does do the necessary conversion: #### #!/bin/bash sed -i "s/libOSS.so/libdisk_writer.so/g" ~/.xmms/config for i in *.wma do filename=`basename "$i" .wma` echo "Converting $i to .wav" xmmsctrl launch xmms "$i" while `xmmsctrl playing`; do sleep 1 done xmmsctrl quit lame "${i/wma/wav}" "${i/wma/mp3}" && rm -f ${i/wma/wav} done sed -i "s/libdisk_writer.so/libOSS.so/g" ~/.xmms/config #### Everything of any worth in the script has been derived from others, but I'm sure that the way in which I've put those things together breaks most, if not all, the rules about correct script writing. At least the script works (for now!). Thanks again, Leslie

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Hello, and help needed
by Sidd 23 May '06

23 May '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, To introduce myself; I am new to this list and am just trying to get a handle on Linux. I have lived in Hamilton for 6 years, and currently live in Tamahere. I am an IT professional who has always worked with windows, so this is somewhat of a challenge, and I need to make fairly quick progress. Is there anyone here who would be willing to get together with me and give me a bit of a quick start. I have an old server I am trying to set up with Linux, but I am experiencing hardware issues that are beyond me. I would be willing to pay someone for his/her time if necessary. Cheers, Sidd. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GnuPG v1.4.0 iD8DBQFEcp/DvSQLmqPuBSMRAtV3AKDup8okTlaItxyzf0gOxZdZGSlLvACg+BaO ZLNCWj101NQCQmxHiolcD5Q= =Umbk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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A bash question
by Leslie Katz 22 May '06

22 May '06

I have an icon for xmms on my desktop. I click on the icon; xmms opens in its own little window. I open a terminal. I type in it kill -9 $(pidof xmms) and press Enter. The xmms window closes. I have a bash script. A line in it runs xmms, at which point xmms's little window opens and converts a .wma file to a .wav file. The next line in the script says kill -9 $(pidof xmms), but it doesn't work to close the xmms window. That window stays open until I click on the close box in the top right of the window. Why doesn't the kill command work in the second case when it works in the first?

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Re: [wlug] Broadcom wlan + Ubuntu
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 22 May '06

22 May '06

DSE did not tell me that it would work they said that it should, if not right now then at a future time when the firmware became available. You probably can still get the wireless to work by using a card (maybe dse would help you with that, saves them getting a whole computer back) until the new version is on stream. Another alternative might be to take your machine to the meeting there are tons of lan experts to give you help.. > > I should have done some homework before I signed the > dotted line, although I am going to use the 14 day return > to get this steamer back to where it belongs. Im not so > pissed at the laptop not being up to scratch, its more > that I was told it *would* fit the criteria I set out. Up > till now I had thought DSE were better than this. >

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Re: [wlug] Broadcom wlan + Ubuntu
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 22 May '06

22 May '06

Shane Take your machine to the workshop if you cannot get it fixed after the meeting. There are some dodges for the broadcom wlan I am just not clever enough to sort it yet. Let me know what happens Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > I should have done some homework before I signed the > dotted line, although I am going to use the 14 day return > to get this steamer back to where it belongs. Im not so > pissed at the laptop not being up to scratch, its more > that I was told it *would* fit the criteria I set out. Up > till now I had thought DSE were better than this. > > Shane > > ps. oops sent that direct instead of to the list, grr I > want my kmail back! > > > On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 13:36 +1200, jaytee(a)clear.net.nz > > > wrote: I had a similar drama with my laptop and > > > broadcom wlan. After trying a howto off the web and > > > seeking advice on this list I have elected to wait for > > > the final of dapper drake to come on stream before > > > attempting to get my wlan going. Not much help I guess > > > but that is all I have. If it helps you can research > > > the thread "AMD64 wifi" to see where I got to. Regards > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > > Ive just bought a new laptop. I specifically asked > > > > the guy at Dick Smith for one that had no hardware > > > > issues re: Linux, I asked him 3 times about the > > > > wireless (thats what I really wanted) and he said > > > > not a prob So as you can guess I spent the better > > > > part of last night and today trying to get wireless > > > > working on my ubuntu Its an Asus laptop with a > > > > broadcom wireless, I have been bashing my head > > > > against the desk following tutorials on ndiswrapper > > > > to no avail. Before I lose my rag with the guy at > Tricky Dickys, has anyone succeeded with said chipset? > > > > Have I borked something? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I installed kubuntu-desktop and kde does *not* > > > > like the lcd for some reason, if I launch an app all > > > > is fine, until I move or close the window. Then I > > > > am left with a screen of .... for want of a better > > > > word.. crap. I have a screenshot at > > > > http://shanes.dyndns.org/screenshot1.png > > > > > > > > One final thing.. I cant get dvd's to play, I have > > > > mpegs playing fine, the dvd is mounted ok, and the > > > > files are readable just nothing will play them, not > > > > totem, not mplayer. Windows is having no troubles. > > > > So its not a hardware issue. > > > > > > > > </gripe> > > > > Any help appreciated > > > > > > > > Shane > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 21 May '06

21 May '06

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A speaker has been tentatively booked... More details coming...

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 21 May '06

21 May '06

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for April is Buddika Aluwihare from http://www.wlug.org.nz/HP who will be speaking on HP Reference Linux Architecture. HP Reference Linux Architecture appears to be about standardising middleware stacks and providing support for that also so that HP can provide support for the hardware, Linux and the middleware. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato. Meeting will start at 7:30pm.

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Re: [wlug] Broadcom wlan + Ubuntu
by Shane 21 May '06

21 May '06

I should have done some homework before I signed the dotted line, although I am going to use the 14 day return to get this steamer back to where it belongs. Im not so pissed at the laptop not being up to scratch, its more that I was told it *would* fit the criteria I set out. Up till now I had thought DSE were better than this. Shane ps. oops sent that direct instead of to the list, grr I want my kmail back! > On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 13:36 +1200, jaytee(a)clear.net.nz wrote: > > I had a similar drama with my laptop and broadcom wlan. > > After trying a howto off the web and seeking advice on this > > list I have elected to wait for the final of dapper drake to > > come on stream before attempting to get my wlan going. Not > > much help I guess but that is all I have. If it helps you > > can research the thread "AMD64 wifi" to see where I got to. > > Regards John > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > Ive just bought a new laptop. I specifically asked the > > > guy at Dick Smith for one that had no hardware issues re: > > > Linux, I asked him 3 times about the wireless (thats what > > > I really wanted) and he said not a prob So as you can > > > guess I spent the better part of last night and today > > > trying to get wireless working on my ubuntu Its an Asus > > > laptop with a broadcom wireless, I have been bashing my > > > head against the desk following tutorials on ndiswrapper > > > to no avail. Before I lose my rag with the guy at Tricky > > > Dickys, has anyone succeeded with said chipset? Have I > > > borked something? > > > > > > > > > Also, I installed kubuntu-desktop and kde does *not* like > > > the lcd for some reason, if I launch an app all is fine, > > > until I move or close the window. Then I am left with a > > > screen of .... for want of a better word.. crap. > > > I have a screenshot at > > > http://shanes.dyndns.org/screenshot1.png > > > > > > One final thing.. I cant get dvd's to play, I have mpegs > > > playing fine, the dvd is mounted ok, and the files are > > > readable just nothing will play them, not totem, not > > > mplayer. Windows is having no troubles. So its not a > > > hardware issue. > > > > > > </gripe> > > > Any help appreciated > > > > > > Shane > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Unsubscribe: > > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Broadcom wlan + Ubuntu
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 21 May '06

21 May '06

I had a similar drama with my laptop and broadcom wlan. After trying a howto off the web and seeking advice on this list I have elected to wait for the final of dapper drake to come on stream before attempting to get my wlan going. Not much help I guess but that is all I have. If it helps you can research the thread "AMD64 wifi" to see where I got to. Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Ive just bought a new laptop. I specifically asked the > guy at Dick Smith for one that had no hardware issues re: > Linux, I asked him 3 times about the wireless (thats what > I really wanted) and he said not a prob So as you can > guess I spent the better part of last night and today > trying to get wireless working on my ubuntu Its an Asus > laptop with a broadcom wireless, I have been bashing my > head against the desk following tutorials on ndiswrapper > to no avail. Before I lose my rag with the guy at Tricky > Dickys, has anyone succeeded with said chipset? Have I > borked something? > > > Also, I installed kubuntu-desktop and kde does *not* like > the lcd for some reason, if I launch an app all is fine, > until I move or close the window. Then I am left with a > screen of .... for want of a better word.. crap. > I have a screenshot at > http://shanes.dyndns.org/screenshot1.png > > One final thing.. I cant get dvd's to play, I have mpegs > playing fine, the dvd is mounted ok, and the files are > readable just nothing will play them, not totem, not > mplayer. Windows is having no troubles. So its not a > hardware issue. > > </gripe> > Any help appreciated > > Shane > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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[Fwd: Your confirmation is required to leave the wlug mailing list]
by Michael J Knox 21 May '06

21 May '06

This is nice. because I have a differing opinion on the use non-free and non-oss, I get removed (or someone attempted too) from the mailing list? Michael -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Your confirmation is required to leave the wlug mailing list Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 21:32:58 +1200 From: wlug-confirm+ad47a6fbcd1b7a71eb577fbff08ab6504ebebbd8(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Reply-To: wlug-confirm+ad47a6fbcd1b7a71eb577fbff08ab6504ebebbd8(a)list.waikato.ac.nz To: michael(a)knox.net.nz Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list wlug We have received a request for the removal of your email address, "michael(a)knox.net.nz" from the wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mailing list. To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. Or visit this web page: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/confirm/wlug/ad47a6fbcd1b7a71eb577fbff08a… Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz: confirm ad47a6fbcd1b7a71eb577fbff08ab6504ebebbd8 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay). If you do not wish to be removed from this list, please simply disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously removed from the list, or have any other questions, send them to wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz.

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Sun open-sourcing Java (slowly...)
by Ian McDonald 20 May '06

20 May '06

Have a look at this if you are interested: http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-6072760.html?part=rss&tag=6072760&subj=news -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Fedora Core 5 problems?
by Michael McDonald 19 May '06

19 May '06

Recently I upgraded to Fedora Core 5. Some things I like, some I don't, but that's usual when you have an OS upgrade (or replacement). This time around, there seems to be a few more problems. First problem was with yum and updates. pup (software updater) wouldn't run. Solution to that was in the FAQ - a replacement yum.conf file. Yum Extender did work, but there was a fair bit of guessing as to which repositories to use (I'm not a Linux expert!). Following software updates I did on Wednesday, cups refused to start (cups was among the updates). Remote assistance from a family member (he likes puzzles!) gave me a work around - involved changing ownership of files and changes to cupsd.conf, and then running cupsd in foreground. Adobe Reader no longer runs - but I haven't bothered to chase that one up as there are alternatives. Anyway, I'm not asking for assistance. Just want to know if anyone else has run into these problems. I couldn't find anything on the Net. Any comments? I'm tempted to try Ubuntu 6.06 in the near future. Michael

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Live CD for editing disk partitions
by Ian McDonald 18 May '06

18 May '06

Folks, There's an interesting read here about GPartEd and also a distribution based on this: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/25/1917228 Looks really handy to have around. Also in a similar vein if you are looking to do this sort of stuff is Partition Logic which is not based on Linux but another OS... http://partitionlogic.org.uk/ Ian -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 18 May '06

18 May '06

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for April is Buddika Aluwihare from http://www.wlug.org.nz/HP who will be speaking on HP Reference Linux Architecture. HP Reference Linux Architecture appears to be about standardising middleware stacks and providing support for that also so that HP can provide support for the hardware, Linux and the middleware. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato. Meeting will start at 7:30pm.

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movsl alignment
by Glenn Enright 17 May '06

17 May '06

Can anyone help with the relation between assembler command 'movsl' and alignment. All I've been able to find so far is much general stuff in kernel patches about bulk memory moves. -- This fortune is inoperative. Please try another.

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 17 May '06

17 May '06

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for April is Buddika Aluwihare from http://www.wlug.org.nz/HP who will be speaking on HP Reference Linux Architecture. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato. Meeting will start at 7:30pm.

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Warren Hughes (IBM) is out of the office.
by Warren Hughes 17 May '06

17 May '06

I will be out of the office starting 17/05/2006 and will not return until 22/05/2006. Hi, thanks for your email. I am in Sydney, back in Auckland on Monday 22/5. I will be checking my email while away. Cheers, Warren.

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New Zealand Ubuntu LoCo
by Daniel Faulknor (Ubuntu NZ) 15 May '06

15 May '06

Calling all New Zealand Ubuntu Users! There is now a New Zealand Ubuntu LoCo - A LoCo is a group of people that are interested in promoting and supporting ubuntu in our area. We are following the standard form for Ubuntu LoCos. We have a wiki and forum setup for our members to work together/on Any people that have any interest in ubunu are welcome to join - you dont have to run ubuntu to help out with things to do with the group. We have a IRC channel on freenode.net - irc://chat.freenode.net/#ubuntu-nz1 which is a place for members to gather and talk. Our wiki page on ubuntu.com is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NzTeam Our wiki is at http://ubuntu-nz.org and our forum at http://ubuntu-nz.org/forum If anyone has any queries or suggestion feel free to contact me. -- Daniel Faulknor Personal: http://dannz.net.nz Work: http://services.dannz.net

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Re: [wlug] movsl alignment
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 15 May '06

15 May '06

> From: Perry Lorier [mailto:perry(a)coders.net] > > Ah, I remember the good ol' days of doing this myself :) > Although documentation wasn't quite as free flowing as it is > these days. Well the internet has made things easier of course but I always found if you gave the manufacturer a call or a polite email asking for a databook they'd send some on their way to you. I haven't done it much in recent years but in the past chipmakers wouldn't even ask for the cost of shipping the books to NZ. I remember Intel's databook for the 8086, it even had a reference computer design in there that looked surprisingly like the original IBM PC. ;) Matt Browne

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Government open source advice changed
by Ian McDonald 14 May '06

14 May '06

Interesting read here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3667292a28,00.html I think that this is in a large part due to people like Matt Brown who made submissions in regards to the previous SSC policy. Ian -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Remote Control Software
by Leslie Katz 12 May '06

12 May '06

Many thank to both Jonathan and Daniel for their replies to my query. My feelings were a bit bruised by Jonathan's assertion that my reference to the hurt desk was a slip. Even the people who worked on the desk knew my name for it and, to their credit, still tried to help me! Together, Jonathan and Daniel have given me the start I needed. Thanks again, Leslie

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Remote control software
by Leslie Katz 12 May '06

12 May '06

I gave to the son of friends who live a considerable distance away an old laptop with Damn Small Linux installed. I installed the same distribution on another old laptop which I have, so that I could try to help him if problems arose. We have been able to solve some problems that way, but it's a slow process, with me doing things on my laptop, then emailing instructions to him. I remember working in the past at workplaces big enough to have their own hurt desks and having my computer taken over by someone else in an attempt to solve some problem I had. That's made me wonder what the equivalent Linux software is. I wouldn't have to run that software on my DSL laptop, but could run it on my Fedora desktop, taking over the other DSL laptop over the Internet. I'd be very grateful if someone could recommend any such software, just to get me started.

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More eye candy with compiz and XGL
by Craig Box 11 May '06

11 May '06

http://www.compiz.net/viewtopic.php?id=6 As seen in the XGL demo video I showed a couple of WLUG meetings ago, the utility that lets you run applications composited on top of your windows has been released. This lets you fly toasters around on top of your applications. Please debate the usefulness of this feature! Craig

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 10 May '06

10 May '06

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Location: 4 Silhouette Way Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business ----- CommitteeMeetingTopics

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Local loop to be unbundled
by Craig Box 05 May '06

05 May '06

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=25636 Craig

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Thanks and raincoat
by Justin Hyde 04 May '06

04 May '06

A big thank you to the linux (and mythtv) experts who helped out at the workshop last Saturday. Certainly I got a lot out of the day, I reckon I could get mythtv going by myself now. If anyone wants some help then we could test that theory. One of our mature members, who arrived around 3pm, left his raincoat at my place. Please contact me at 8562454 to arrange pickup. Cheers guys! Justin Hyde

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Fibre
by Oliver Jones 03 May '06

03 May '06

I've deleted the email I was going to respond to... damn. Anyway, regarding LLU, the PDF pointed to makes a good point. Really people should be trying to get access to the ground so they can lay fibre. There is some sort of ruling in NY that makes it compulsory for all utility companies to co-operate on all ditch digging activities. If one company wants to lay a cable all other companies must also lay cable in the same ditch. If they don't they can't dig up the same part of the street for some long period of time. I believe this bylaw was put in place because NY city residents were complaining bitterly about the near constant road works and such due to cable/telecoms companies. Regards

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Re: [wlug] Latest copy of Fedora Core Wanted
by Elroy Liddington 03 May '06

03 May '06

Hi all. Am probably posting to the wrong area (or looking in the wrong place), but am after the latest 5?-CD set of Fedora Core. Am happy to pay postage and SAE, plus supply CD's required, as well as ten blank CD's for whoever does the job :-) Cheers, Elroy Liddington.

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Official Announcement.
by Lindsay Druett 02 May '06

02 May '06

Hi All, Over the last month or so, the WLUG Committee went to seek sponsorship in order to replace the existing hoiho server. Today, HP New Zealand has responded by kindly providing an HP BL10e blade server complete with five servers having 512 MB RAM in each of them and single disk. HP didn't provide me with any further details of the specifications. Regards, Lindsay Druett. WLUG President.

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Linux Counter
by Craig Box 01 May '06

01 May '06

Are you listed on the Linux Counter? http://counter.li.org/ (This message bought to you by http://lugww.counter.li.org/groups.cms?&cc=NZ&rc=WA)

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Good introduction to LVM
by Ian McDonald 30 Apr '06

30 Apr '06

For those that are interested O"Reilly has posted a good intro to LVM which talks about how to use this to rearrange your disk into parts basically. Wish I knew all this before I set up my systems.... http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/04/27/managing-disk-space-wi… -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 30 Apr '06

30 Apr '06

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Problem with .rpm files
by Leslie Katz 30 Apr '06

30 Apr '06

Thanks to both Shane and Michael for their replies. Shane, like you, I doubted that rpm would be found in DSL. However, to my surprise, the question in DSL, "whereis rpm", led to the answer, "/usr/bin/rpm". It seems then that it wasn't any absence of rpm which caused the DSL version of alien not to work for me as I'd hoped. Michael, my "real" distribution, if I can put it that way, is Fedora Core 3. Alien's not included in it. I did a search and ultimately found alien-8.21-1.noarch.rpm. When I tested an installation of it, I got on the usual dependency roundabout. The last message I got when I tested an installation of alien plus four additional perl-type rpms was "perl <1:5.8.0 conflicts with perl-base-5.8.8.4.i386". Since the latter file was one of those rpms whose installation I was testing, I took that to be a complaint that the version of perl I already had installed was less than 1:5.8.0. When I checked which version of perl I had installed, I was told it was perl-5.8.5-24.FC3.i386.rpm. At that stage, I threw up my hands, it being all beyond me. As to your kind offer to convert the two rpms for me, one of them is only 93.78 Kbytes in size, but the other is 3.61 Mbytes, a size too large to be passed back and forth by email. In spite of all the above, I don't want to give up trying to get the files converted and installed. It seems a shame if the printer will run in many other distributions, but not in DSL. So if you have (or anyone else has) any further ideas, I'd be very happy to try to apply them. Thanks again, Leslie

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Problem with .rpm files
by Leslie Katz 28 Apr '06

28 Apr '06

For the son of friends who live a long way away, I converted an old laptop to run under Damn Small Linux, so that the son would no longer have to use the family computer. The friends have a Lexmark X1150 PrintTrio and they've asked whether I could get that gadget working with the old laptop, at least as a printer. I've found that many people have been able to get that gadget running as a printer under various distributions, including Debian and Ubuntu. In the case of the latter two distributions, people have downloaded a compressed file from Lexmark said by it to be intended for RedHat Linux 9.0, extracted from it two .rpm files, converted those two .rpm files into .deb files using alien and then installed the two .deb files. After that, they've been able to print with CUPS. Using a second old laptop which I also set up to run under DSL, I've been trying to duplicate the process just mentioned, with a view to giving instructions to my friends to follow on the laptop which they have. I've got as far as extracting the two .rpm files, but am stuck at the conversion to .deb stage. DSL has a version of alien available, but I haven't been successful at using it to convert the two .rpm files into .deb files. The persons who've given instructions about this exercise on the Web seem not to have been troubled very much about which version of their own distribution they were using, but simply reported success in installing the .deb files they'd created. If I could get the two .rpm files converted into .deb files via alien by someone running Debian or Ubuntu, is there any prospect that I could then take those files and install them successfully on my DSL computer? Or is it necessary that the conversion take place on the computer on which the files are intended to be installed? If the latter (which is my own guess), does anyone have any suggestion as to how I could proceed otherwise? For instance, would it be possible to convert the .rpm files to source files and then install the source files on the DSL computer? I'd welcome any advice. Thanks, Leslie

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Canon i250
by John Torrance 27 Apr '06

27 Apr '06

Thank you to everyone who has sent me helpful stuff re trying to set up my printer. No joy yet but perhaps a knowledge deficit that I will have to correct Cheers John

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 26 Apr '06

26 Apr '06

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for April is <''insert name here''>. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato. Meeting will start at 7:30pm.

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Kubuntu installation CD/iso
by Justin Hyde 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

Can I borrow someone's Kubuntu CD/iso? I can pick up from wherever in Hamilton. Please reply off list. Cheers Justin Hyde ajh28(a)waikato.ac.nz

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for April is DanielLawson, now with NSP (http://www.nsp.co.nz/) talking about and demonstrating Xen] http://www.wlug.org.nz/virtualisation ([Virtualisation). Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato. Meeting will start at 7:30pm.

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Canon 250i printer
by Leslie Katz 21 Apr '06

21 Apr '06

You may have already swept by this, but just in case: 1. http://linuxprinting.org was very helpful to me when I got my printer going; and 2. there's an O'Reilly book by Carla Schroder called "Linux Cookbook". There was up on the Web, when I was setting up my printer, a sample chapter. It was about printing and, again, it was very helpful to me.

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Canon 250i printer
by John Torrance 20 Apr '06

20 Apr '06

Please can anyone help me - I have a canon 250i printer. I believe that you can get it to run with Redhat and Fedora - there are a whole span of drivers on the Canon site - as a relatively unskilled Linux user, I just cannot get the printer working using Ubuntu (which I love by the way). Does anyone know how to get the damn thing to work with Ubuntu? Cheers John

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Re: [wlug] Amd 64 wifi
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 18 Apr '06

18 Apr '06

Thanks.I am going to get the release as soon as it becomes available.. Can anyone tell me is it possible to run a "cleanup" programme after a failed exercise. All those error messages concern me a bit. John.. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Given the current difficulties with wifi, I have decided > > to shelf this project until a later time. It is not my > > preffered option but I am able to use windows in the > > meantime. > > Thanks John > > I suspect if you get Dapper Drake, it will all 'just work' > , including WPA. A beta is out in a couple of days. > > Craig >

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Re: [wlug] Amd 64 wifi
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 18 Apr '06

18 Apr '06

Given the current difficulties with wifi, I have decided to shelf this project until a later time. It is not my preffered option but I am able to use windows in the meantime. Thanks John > OK. Maybe it's time to try an alternative approach! > Support for these cards will be in Linux 2.6.17 in a much > better format. Until now wireless in Linux has been a real > mess. There seems to be an effort to really tidy it up now > though. > > What you can do is download the latest test version from > http://kernel.org. It will be 2.6.17-rcx-gity where x and > y are some number

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Re: [wlug] Amd 64 wifi
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 18 Apr '06

18 Apr '06

An after thought, before I do any more I thought maybe I should post the outcome of lspci and dmesg Here goes: Dmesg john(a)itchy:~$ dmesg data, 136k init) [ 17.261034] Calibrating delay loop... 3170.30 BogoMIPS (lpj=1585152) [ 17.284078] Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized [ 17.284083] SELinux: Disabled at boot. [ 17.284095] Mount-cache hash table entries: 256 [ 17.284179] CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line) [ 17.284183] CPU: L2 Cache: 1024K (64 bytes/line) [ 17.284188] CPU: AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-30 stepping 02 [ 17.284297] checking if image is initramfs... it is [ 17.700435] ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found! [ 17.796177] not found! [ 17.813320] Using local APIC timer interrupts. [ 17.875823] Detected 12.500 MHz APIC timer. [ 17.875834] testing NMI watchdog ... OK. [ 17.885964] NET: Registered protocol family 16 [ 17.885991] ACPI: bus type pci registered [ 17.885998] PCI: Using configuration type 1 [ 17.886001] mtrr: v2.0 (20020519) [ 17.886313] ACPI: Subsystem revision 20050729 [ 17.888052] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 17.888061] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 17.888729] ACPI: Interpreter enabled [ 17.888732] ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing [ 17.888994] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00) [ 17.888997] PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) [ 17.889039] ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] segment is 0 [ 17.890576] Uncovering SIS963 that hid as a SIS503 (compatible=0) [ 17.890609] PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 0000:00:02.5 [ 17.890966] Boot video device is 0000:01:00.0 [ 17.897612] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] [ 17.898572] burst-mode-ec-10-Aug [ 17.898575] ACPI: Embedded Controller [EC0] (gpe 25) [ 17.916095] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 3 4 5 *7 9 10 11) [ 17.916292] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 3 *4 5 7 9 10 11) [ 17.916498] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 3 4 *5 7 9 10 11) [ 17.916691] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs *3 4 5 7 9 10 11) [ 17.916904] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 *9 10 11) [ 17.917105] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 10 *11) [ 17.917314] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 10 11) *0, disabled. [ 17.917509] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 *10 11) [ 17.917819] Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay [ 17.917826] pnp: PnP ACPI init [ 17.918563] pnp: PnP ACPI: found 7 devices [ 17.918634] usbcore: registered new driver usbfs [ 17.918654] usbcore: registered new driver hub [ 17.918682] PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing [ 17.918686] PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report [ 17.918752] PCI-DMA: Disabling IOMMU. [ 17.918865] pnp: 00:03: ioport range 0x8000-0x807f could not be reserved [ 17.918869] pnp: 00:03: ioport range 0x8080-0x80ff has been reserved [ 17.918873] pnp: 00:03: ioport range 0x8100-0x811f has been reserved [ 17.918877] pnp: 00:03: ioport range 0x4d0-0x4d1 has been reserved [ 17.919095] Simple Boot Flag at 0x38 set to 0x1 [ 17.919179] IA32 emulation $Id: sys_ia32.c,v 1.32 2002/03/24 13:02:28 ak Exp $ [ 17.919371] audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) [ 17.919379] audit: initialized [ 17.919480] VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 [ 17.919498] Dquot-cache hash table entries: 512 (order 0, 4096 bytes) [ 17.919530] devfs: 2004-01-31 Richard Gooch (rgooch(a)atnf.csiro.au) [ 17.919535] devfs: boot_options: 0x0 [ 17.919561] Initializing Cryptographic API [ 17.936206] Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones [ 17.936274] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:KBC,PNP0f13:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12 [ 17.941054] serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 [ 17.941268] serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 [ 17.941274] Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 48 ports, IRQ sharing enabled [ 17.943021] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:02.6[C] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 [ 17.943029] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:02.6 disabled [ 17.943042] io scheduler noop registered [ 17.943056] io scheduler anticipatory registered [ 17.943062] io scheduler deadline registered [ 17.943071] io scheduler cfq registered [ 17.943370] RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 65536K size 1024 blocksize [ 17.943440] NET: Registered protocol family 2 [ 17.953039] IP: routing cache hash table of 4096 buckets, 32Kbytes [ 17.953248] TCP established hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) [ 17.953433] TCP bind hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) [ 17.953641] TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 16384) [ 17.953702] NET: Registered protocol family 8 [ 17.953705] NET: Registered protocol family 20 [ 17.953910] ACPI wakeup devices: [ 17.953912] PCI0 LAN MODM USB0 USB1 USB2 USB3 [ 17.953917] ACPI: (supports S0 S3 S4 S5) [ 17.954141] Freeing unused kernel memory: 136k freed [ 17.971457] vga16fb: initializing [ 17.971462] vga16fb: mapped to 0xffff8100000a0000 [ 18.049675] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30 [ 18.049681] fb0: VGA16 VGA frame buffer device [ 18.061077] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 [ 19.105760] Capability LSM initialized [ 19.114428] NET: Registered protocol family 1 [ 19.123475] Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 [ 19.123488] ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx [ 19.123492] ACPI: bus type ide registered [ 19.131811] SIS5513: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:02.5 [ 19.131827] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:02.5[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 [ 19.131846] SIS5513: chipset revision 0 [ 19.131848] SIS5513: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later [ 19.131859] SIS5513: SiS 962/963 MuTIOL IDE UDMA133 controller [ 19.131872] ide0: BM-DMA at 0x2000-0x2007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio [ 19.131884] ide1: BM-DMA at 0x2008-0x200f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio [ 19.131895] Probing IDE interface ide0... [ 19.394924] hda: ST9402113A, ATA DISK drive [ 20.007078] ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 [ 20.007132] Probing IDE interface ide1... [ 20.678800] hdc: MATSHITAUJ-840D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive [ 20.984628] ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 [ 20.984707] Probing IDE interface ide2... [ 21.497557] Probing IDE interface ide3... [ 22.009496] Probing IDE interface ide4... [ 22.521436] Probing IDE interface ide5... [ 23.036642] hda: max request size: 1024KiB [ 23.037045] hda: 78140160 sectors (40007 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, UDMA(100) [ 23.037170] hda: cache flushes supported [ 23.037226] /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3 < p5 > [ 23.086206] hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache [ 23.086214] Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 [ 23.340462] Attempting manual resume [ 23.340679] swsusp: Suspend partition has wrong signature? [ 23.372270] ohci_hcd: 2004 Nov 08 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI) [ 23.372309] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:03.0[A] -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 20 [ 23.372337] ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.0: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller [ 23.575498] ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 [ 23.575509] ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.0: irq 20, io mem 0xe2002000 [ 23.626399] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found [ 23.626411] hub 1-0:1.0: 3 ports detected [ 23.627320] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:03.1[B] -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 21 [ 23.627330] ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (#2) [ 23.829876] ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2 [ 23.829884] ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: irq 21, io mem 0xe2003000 [ 23.880354] hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found [ 23.880364] hub 2-0:1.0: 3 ports detected [ 23.891522] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:03.2[D] -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 23 [ 23.891539] ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.2: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller [ 23.891582] ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3 [ 23.891593] ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.2: irq 23, io mem 0xe2004000 [ 23.891624] PCI: cache line size of 64 is not supported by device 0000:00:03.2 [ 23.891632] ehci_hcd 0000:00:03.2: USB 2.0 initialized, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004 [ 23.891710] hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found [ 23.891718] hub 3-0:1.0: 6 ports detected [ 23.918501] sis900.c: v1.08.08 Jan. 22 2005 [ 23.918542] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:04.0[A] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19 [ 23.923419] 0000:00:04.0: Realtek RTL8201 PHY transceiver found at address 13. [ 23.929581] 0000:00:04.0: Using transceiver found at address 13 as default [ 23.930245] eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0x1800, IRQ 19, 00:16:36:10:f1:c4. [ 26.263405] ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1] C2[C2] C3[C3]) [ 26.267322] ACPI: Thermal Zone [THRM] (53 C) [ 26.408621] Attempting manual resume [ 26.432267] swsusp: Suspend partition has wrong signature? [ 26.460318] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds [ 26.460331] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. [ 28.026878] md: md driver 0.90.1 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 [ 31.145850] Adding 1108444k swap on /dev/hda5. Priority:-1 extents:1 [ 31.387234] EXT3 FS on hda2, internal journal [ 38.879486] lp: driver loaded but no devices found [ 38.898286] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice [ 38.932627] Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 [ 39.527225] Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 6.2, id: 0x12a0b1, caps: 0xa04713/0x204000 [ 39.529223] input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad on isa0060/serio1 [ 40.131504] ts: Compaq touchscreen protocol output [ 41.788857] device-mapper: 4.4.0-ioctl (2005-01-12) initialised: dm-devel(a)redhat.com [ 43.211270] cdrom: open failed. [ 45.531310] pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 [ 45.541929] shpchp: shpc_init : shpc_cap_offset == 0 [ 45.541940] shpchp: Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.4 [ 45.969722] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:02.7[C] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18 [ 46.527630] intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 49483 usecs [ 46.527634] intel8x0: clocking to 48000 [ 46.972627] Linux Kernel Card Services [ 46.972631] options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm] [ 46.984682] PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:06.0 (0000 -> 0002) [ 46.984691] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:06.0[A] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19 [ 46.984705] Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:00:06.0 [1025:0083] [ 46.984734] Yenta: Using CSCINT to route CSC interrupts to PCI [ 46.984737] Yenta: Routing CardBus interrupts to PCI [ 46.984741] Yenta TI: socket 0000:00:06.0, mfunc 0x00521d22, devctl 0x64 [ 47.206247] Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x06f8, PCI irq 19 [ 47.206251] Socket status: 30000007 [ 48.864634] input: PC Speaker [ 49.649609] eth0: Media Link Off [ 49.658301] NET: Registered protocol family 17 [ 116.390981] ACPI: AC Adapter [ACAD] (on-line) [ 116.444498] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery present) [ 116.460156] ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] [ 116.460184] ACPI: Lid Switch [LID] [ 116.460192] ACPI: Power Button (CM) [PWRB] [ 116.460198] ACPI: Sleep Button (CM) [SLPB] [ 116.547487] ibm_acpi: ec object not found [ 118.041331] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 118.041341] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 118.041348] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND [ 118.062068] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 118.062075] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 118.062081] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND [ 129.054049] powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.40.4) [ 129.054507] powernow-k8: 0 : fid 0x8 (1600 MHz), vid 0x4 (1450 mV) [ 129.054513] powernow-k8: 1 : fid 0x0 (800 MHz), vid 0x16 (1000 mV) [ 129.054724] cpu_init done, current fid 0x8, vid 0x4 [ 129.216366] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.7 [ 129.216376] NET: Registered protocol family 31 [ 129.216380] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized [ 129.216393] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized [ 129.228916] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.7 [ 129.228921] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized [ 129.250292] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.5 [ 129.250302] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized [ 129.250319] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized [ 137.406154] NET: Registered protocol family 10 [ 137.406243] Disabled Privacy Extensions on device ffffffff8035a5a0(lo) [ 137.406390] IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver [ 139.401887] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 139.401898] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 139.401906] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND [ 142.674177] eth0: no IPv6 routers present [ 154.400860] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 154.400870] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 154.400878] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND [ 169.401744] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 169.401754] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 169.401763] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND [ 184.402548] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 184.402558] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 184.402566] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND [ 199.403450] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 199.403461] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 199.403469] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND [ 214.404418] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 214.404428] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 214.404437] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND [ 229.405300] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 229.405310] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 229.405318] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND [ 244.405340] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 244.405350] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 244.405357] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND [ 259.406938] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 259.406949] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 259.406957] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND john(a)itchy:~$ Then lspci john(a)itchy:~$ lspci 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 760/M760 Host (rev 03 ) 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SG86C202 0000:00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS963 [MuTIOL Media I O] (rev 25) 0000:00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] 0000:00:02.6 Modem: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Modem Controller (rev a0) 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) 0000:00:03.0 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 0000:00:03.1 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 0000:00:03.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller 0000:00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fa st Ethernet (rev 91) 0000:00:06.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1510 PC card Cardbus Controlle r 0000:00:0b.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4318 (rev 02) 0000:00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 0000:00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 0000:00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 0000:00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661FX/M 661FX/M661MX/741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP john(a)itchy:~$ Maybe I need to fix up this stuff first ?????? John.. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > I am now completely stuck. If I redo everything will it > cause a further problem for me??? > John > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > The Gui Does not work it goes into permanently enabling > > mode > > > > I down loaded acer_acpi-0.3 > > Then: make > > make install. > > > > john(a)itchy:~$ sudo modprobe acer_acpi > > Password: > > FATAL: Error inserting acer_acpi > > > > > (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-amd64-generic/extra/acer_acpi.ko): > > No such device john(a)itchy:~$ > > > > > -- > > > Try configuring your network now under somewhere like > > > desktop, administration, networking. > > > > > > If you want to use WPA you will also need to install > > > wpa_supplicant. Otherwise hopefully it will work! > > > > > > There is another way (download 2.6.17 test version) to > > > do it if ndiswrapper doesn't work but try that first. > > > > > > Ian > > > -- > > > Ian McDonald > > > Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 > > > Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com > > > WAND Network Research Group > > > Department of Computer Science > > > University of Waikato > > > New Zealand > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Amd 64 wifi
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 16 Apr '06

16 Apr '06

I am now completely stuck. If I redo everything will it cause a further problem for me??? John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > The Gui Does not work it goes into permanently enabling > mode > > I down loaded acer_acpi-0.3 > Then: make > make install. > > john(a)itchy:~$ sudo modprobe acer_acpi > Password: > FATAL: Error inserting acer_acpi > (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-amd64-generic/extra/acer_acpi.ko): > No such device > john(a)itchy:~$ > > > -- > > Try configuring your network now under somewhere like > > desktop, administration, networking. > > > > If you want to use WPA you will also need to install > > wpa_supplicant. Otherwise hopefully it will work! > > > > There is another way (download 2.6.17 test version) to > > do it if ndiswrapper doesn't work but try that first. > > > > Ian > > -- > > Ian McDonald > > Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 > > Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com > > WAND Network Research Group > > Department of Computer Science > > University of Waikato > > New Zealand > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 16 Apr '06

16 Apr '06

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for April is <''insert name here''>. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato. Meeting will start at 7:30pm.

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Warren Hughes (IBM) is out of the office.
by Warren Hughes 16 Apr '06

16 Apr '06

I will be out of the office starting 13/04/2006 and will not return until 26/04/2006. Hi, thanks for your email. In my absence for urgent queries please contact Wayne Goss on +64 21 375592. Otherwise I I will respond Wednesday April 26. Cheers, Warren.

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Re: [wlug] Amd 64 wifi
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 16 Apr '06

16 Apr '06

The Gui Does not work it goes into permanently enabling mode I down loaded acer_acpi-0.3 Then: make make install. john(a)itchy:~$ sudo modprobe acer_acpi Password: FATAL: Error inserting acer_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-amd64-generic/extra/acer_acpi.ko): No such device john(a)itchy:~$ > -- > Try configuring your network now under somewhere like > desktop, administration, networking. > > If you want to use WPA you will also need to install > wpa_supplicant. Otherwise hopefully it will work! > > There is another way (download 2.6.17 test version) to do > it if ndiswrapper doesn't work but try that first. > > Ian > -- > Ian McDonald > Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 > Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com > WAND Network Research Group > Department of Computer Science > University of Waikato > New Zealand

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Re: [wlug] Amd 64 wifi
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 16 Apr '06

16 Apr '06

I do not think those errors have anything to do with my current situation there are about 30 of those error messages and I only tailed 6 ---- Original Message Follows ----- > I ventured into the install and got to here: > > root(a)itchy:~# ndiswrapper -l > Installed ndis drivers: > bcmwl5 driver present, hardware present > root(a)itchy:~# modprobe ndiswrapper > root(a)itchy:~# dmesg | tail -n 6 > [ 2435.979518] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] > in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND > [ 2435.979528] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node > ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 > [ 2435.979536] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution > failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), > AE_NOT_FOUND > [ 2450.979890] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] > in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND > [ 2450.979900] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node > ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 > [ 2450.979908] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution > failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), > AE_NOT_FOUND > root(a)itchy:~# > Not real sure what I need to do as the drivers seem to be > there and the device also :-? > > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Sorry about the tardy response I got dragged away. > > The Wireless device is a broadcom b-g > > The howto is here: > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Acer5021WLMi_Amd64?action=show&redirect=Wi… > > > > I searched synaptic and found all the gcc/cpp already to > > install. although it does not state amd 64 the install > > media was an amd 64 installer. > > I will go ahead and try to install the packages I have > > found > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > > On 4/10/06, jaytee(a)clear.net.nz <jaytee(a)clear.net.nz> > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi All > > > > I am trying to follow a howto but have so far > > > > not been able to find > > > > > > > > > > > > gcc-4.4-base_3.4.4-6ubuntu8_amd64.deb > > > > I googled it and returned a negative result. maybe > > > > it is a typo??? > > > > > > > What wireless card are you trying to run? > > > > > > Where is your howto? > > > > > > I would say that you are better off using apt or > > > aptitude rather than an exact version of package but > > > not sure without seeing your how to. > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > -- > > > Ian McDonald > > > Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 > > > Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com > > > WAND Network Research Group > > > Department of Computer Science > > > University of Waikato > > > New Zealand > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: > > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Amd 64 wifi
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 16 Apr '06

16 Apr '06

I ventured into the install and got to here: root(a)itchy:~# ndiswrapper -l Installed ndis drivers: bcmwl5 driver present, hardware present root(a)itchy:~# modprobe ndiswrapper root(a)itchy:~# dmesg | tail -n 6 [ 2435.979518] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 2435.979528] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 2435.979536] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND [ 2450.979890] ACPI-0362: *** Error: Looking up [Z007] in namespace, AE_NOT_FOUND [ 2450.979900] search_node ffff81001b2fce00 start_node ffff81001b2fce00 return_node 0000000000000000 [ 2450.979908] ACPI-0508: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff81001b2fcc00), AE_NOT_FOUND root(a)itchy:~# Not real sure what I need to do as the drivers seem to be there and the device also :-? ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Sorry about the tardy response I got dragged away. > The Wireless device is a broadcom b-g > The howto is here: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Acer5021WLMi_Amd64?action=show&redirect=Wi… > > I searched synaptic and found all the gcc/cpp already to > install. although it does not state amd 64 the install > media was an amd 64 installer. > I will go ahead and try to install the packages I have > found > > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > On 4/10/06, jaytee(a)clear.net.nz <jaytee(a)clear.net.nz> > > wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > I am trying to follow a howto but have so far > > > not been able to find > > > > > > > > > gcc-4.4-base_3.4.4-6ubuntu8_amd64.deb > > > I googled it and returned a negative result. maybe it > > > is a typo??? > > > > > What wireless card are you trying to run? > > > > Where is your howto? > > > > I would say that you are better off using apt or > > aptitude rather than an exact version of package but not > > sure without seeing your how to. > > > > Ian > > > > -- > > Ian McDonald > > Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 > > Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com > > WAND Network Research Group > > Department of Computer Science > > University of Waikato > > New Zealand > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] Amd 64 wifi
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 15 Apr '06

15 Apr '06

Sorry about the tardy response I got dragged away. The Wireless device is a broadcom b-g The howto is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Acer5021WLMi_Amd64?action=show&redirect=Wi… I searched synaptic and found all the gcc/cpp already to install. although it does not state amd 64 the install media was an amd 64 installer. I will go ahead and try to install the packages I have found ----- Original Message Follows ----- > On 4/10/06, jaytee(a)clear.net.nz <jaytee(a)clear.net.nz> > wrote: > > > Hi All > > I am trying to follow a howto but have so far not > > been able to find > > > > > > gcc-4.4-base_3.4.4-6ubuntu8_amd64.deb > > I googled it and returned a negative result. maybe it is > > a typo??? > > > What wireless card are you trying to run? > > Where is your howto? > > I would say that you are better off using apt or aptitude > rather than an exact version of package but not sure > without seeing your how to. > > Ian > > -- > Ian McDonald > Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 > Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com > WAND Network Research Group > Department of Computer Science > University of Waikato > New Zealand

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Location: 35 Galway Avenue Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business ----- CommitteeMeetingTopics

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New Zealand Linux mirrors list
by Craig Box 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

Hi everyone, I've just updated the wiki's list of Linux and BSD mirrors in New Zealand: http://www.wlug.org.nz/NewZealandLinuxMirrors Also, a NZ-focused sources.list file for Debian: http://www.wlug.org.nz/AptSourcesList Please check them out, and update them if you can. Regards Craig

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Ubuntu guide
by Ian McDonald 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

Here is something that looks quite good upon first read: http://www.pcmech.com/show/os/917/1/ -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Amd 64 wifi
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 10 Apr '06

10 Apr '06

Hi All I am trying to follow a howto but have so far not been able to find gcc-4.4-base_3.4.4-6ubuntu8_amd64.deb I googled it and returned a negative result. maybe it is a typo??? Download these packages from Ubuntu : * gcc-3.4-base_3.4.4-6ubuntu8_amd64.deb * gcc-4.4-base_3.4.4-6ubuntu8_amd64.deb * cpp-3.4_3.4.4-6ubuntu8_amd64.deb * gcc-3.4_3.4.4-6ubuntu8_amd64.deb o You can find these files searching a little bit in : [WWW] http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/devel/ Any help would be appreciated Regards John

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NOHO LAN
by emailivan＠slingshot.co.nz 07 Apr '06

07 Apr '06

Hello all, Are there any network pro's out there that would be willing to bounce some ideas around with me (off list) for a planned SOHO LAN at work. Requirements: 1 x MS Application 'Server' 6 x MS Workstations (existing) Plus: Firewall, Email Server, File Server It's quite a small LAN (in terms of users), but we have some special requirements. (Which I don't want to go into here) Many thanks, Ivan

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Microsoft to put it's Linux labs on web
by Ian McDonald 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

http://news.com.com/2100-7252_3-6058196.html?part=rss&tag=6058196&subj=news -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Mar '06

31 Mar '06

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Free Remote Access to LinuxPPC64 Servers for Open Source Developers
by Craig Box 28 Mar '06

28 Mar '06

Forwarded from Robert MacFarlan [Robert_MacFarlan(a)us.ibm.com] Hello, I am mailing a few of the more active Linux User Groups in Australia to make them aware of community-based remote access systems that have become available. These systems are open to any Open Source Linux developer interested in developing / porting / or just tinkering w/ Linux on high-performance 64-bit IBM POWER5 or PPC970 systems. In the case of Australian National University's system - brought on-line last week - they are hosting a 4-way system w/ 16GB of RAM. This system can be a great place to test SMP and memory scalability. If any of your members are interested in working on these systems they are more than welcome to request an account. Additional systems will be added in the coming months. Australia National University: (http://clug.anu.edu.au/) Other systems being hosted world-wide include: Oregon State University Open Source Lab - PPC970 running Gentoo ( http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/PPC64/Home) SourceForge.net compile farm - POWER5 running SLES ( http://sourceforge.net/docs/compile_farm#cf_overview) University of Portland Linux on Power Portal - POWER5 running SLES ( http://egr.up.edu:8080/) University of Augsburg Debian on PowerPC - POWER5 running Debian ( http://tuxppc.rz.uni-augsburg.de/) Linux on Power @ Peking University - POWER5 running SLES ( http://ppclinux.pku.edu.cn/) Thank you for your time, and if you have any questions, please feel free to let me know. Cheers, Robert MacFarlan Strategist ISV Global Solutions Enablement IBM

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 28 Mar '06

28 Mar '06

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for March is Linda Wright. Her talk is entitled ''New Business Models for Open Source (http://www.wlug.org.nz/OpenSource) Advocates and Developers'': ;: "In a nutshell, I plan to survey some of the past Commercial and http://www.wlug.org.nz/OSS business models (from the anarchic and utopian to the present) and discuss some of the commercial implications of these. I then intend to discuss three contemporary OSS business models, their virtues and limitations, and the new trend of large so-called 'old economy' companies solving the problem of OSS competition by buying out start-ups. Then I will move on to talk about the business model of Concentus, which I believe is fairly unique, and how I believe it addresses some of the classical problems that both commercial and OSS developers face with their respective models. Anyone who has ever wondered how the heck you can make money out of supposedly free software should probably attend." Linda Wright is the former Software Development Manager for Toll New Zealand (http://www.tollnz.co.nz) (Corporate). Linda is a native of San Francisco, California and has over 20 years experience in Software Development (http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareEngineering) SDLC Management] and Business Consulting. Some of her personal career highlights include developing one of the world's first Visual Software Development Environments (1989), the creation of a complex problem solving methodology called 'The Resolution of Complexity' (1992), and a http://www.wlug.org.nz/patent for a Telephonic Transaction System (1998) (http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-CIMAGES/view/pct/getbykey5?KEY=00/18088.000330) Linda is the managing director of a film production company called Pretty Good Productions Ltd, and has recently formed Concentus Ltd, an [Auckland-based technology company. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato (http://www.wlug.org.nz/UniversityOfWaikato) Meeting will start at 7:30pm. Refreshments will be available afterwards.

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 26 Mar '06

26 Mar '06

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for March is Linda Wright. Her talk is entitled ''New Business Models for Open Source (http://www.wlug.org.nz/OpenSource) Advocates and Developers'': ;: "In a nutshell, I plan to survey some of the past Commercial and http://www.wlug.org.nz/OSS business models (from the anarchic and utopian to the present) and discuss some of the commercial implications of these. I then intend to discuss three contemporary OSS business models, their virtues and limitations, and the new trend of large so-called 'old economy' companies solving the problem of OSS competition by buying out start-ups. Then I will move on to talk about the business model of Concentus, which I believe is fairly unique, and how I believe it addresses some of the classical problems that both commercial and OSS developers face with their respective models. Anyone who has ever wondered how the heck you can make money out of supposedly free software should probably attend." Linda Wright is the former Software Development Manager for Toll New Zealand (http://www.tollnz.co.nz) (Corporate). Linda is a native of San Francisco, California and has over 20 years experience in Software Development (http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareEngineering) SDLC Management] and Business Consulting. Some of her personal career highlights include developing one of the world's first Visual Software Development Environments (1989), the creation of a complex problem solving methodology called 'The Resolution of Complexity' (1992), and a http://www.wlug.org.nz/patent for a Telephonic Transaction System (1998) (http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-CIMAGES/view/pct/getbykey5?KEY=00/18088.000330) Linda is the managing director of a film production company called Pretty Good Productions Ltd, and has recently formed Concentus Ltd, an [Auckland-based technology company. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato (http://www.wlug.org.nz/UniversityOfWaikato) Meeting will start at 7:30pm. Refreshments will be available afterwards.

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Squid - Proxy Auth - Firewall
by Jodi Thomson 24 Mar '06

24 Mar '06

Hi all I'm wanting to setup Squid to use proxy auth against Active Directory. That seems straightforward enough. However I am having trouble in figuring out whether or not to put Squid internally or inside the DMZ for this to work The firewall re will be running is a Juniper NetScreen-25. The DMZ is comprised of real-world IP's, internally it's all private IP Does any one have any experience in this? Cheers Jodi ___________________________________________________ Jodi Thomson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) IT Support Engineer - Turbo Investments Group Ltd Phone: +64 6 834-0537 ext 1008 cell: +64 21 799 961 jodi.thomson(a)turbogroup.co.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Turbo Investments Group Ltd is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Turbo Investments Group Ltd. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment.

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for March is Linda Wright. Her talk is entitled ''New Business Models for Open Source (http://www.wlug.org.nz/OpenSource) Advocates and Developers'': ;: "In a nutshell, I plan to survey some of the past Commercial and http://www.wlug.org.nz/OSS business models (from the anarchic and utopian to the present) and discuss some of the commercial implications of these. I then intend to discuss three contemporary OSS business models, their virtues and limitations, and the new trend of large so-called 'old economy' companies solving the problem of OSS competition by buying out start-ups. Then I will move on to talk about the business model of Concentus, which I believe is fairly unique, and how I believe it addresses some of the classical problems that both commercial and OSS developers face with their respective models. Anyone who has ever wondered how the heck you can make money out of supposedly free software should probably attend." Linda Wright is the former Software Development Manager for Toll New Zealand (http://www.tollnz.co.nz) (Corporate). Linda is a native of San Francisco, California and has over 20 years experience in Software Development (http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareEngineering) SDLC Management] and Business Consulting. Some of her personal career highlights include developing one of the world's first Visual Software Development Environments (1989), the creation of a complex problem solving methodology called 'The Resolution of Complexity' (1992), and a http://www.wlug.org.nz/patent for a Telephonic Transaction System (1998) (http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-CIMAGES/view/pct/getbykey5?KEY=00/18088.000330) Linda is the managing director of a film production company called Pretty Good Productions Ltd, and has recently formed Concentus Ltd, an [Auckland-based technology company. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato (http://www.wlug.org.nz/UniversityOfWaikato) Meeting will start at 7:30pm. Refreshments will be available afterwards.

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kernel for p4 (kinda OT)
by Glenn Enright 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

Anyone have some ideas why they never built an arch for p4 CPUs into the kernel? I realize that these are covered by i386. A little while ago, after looking round a bit in a custom tree and creating a p4 arch myself (Im not a programmer BTW, just hacking, pruned out some 'surplus' code mostly, using 2.6.14), a clean build ran in *lots* less time. No runtime benchmarks, but response times were also definately better, and had no issues with drivers or anything. Used gcc 3.4.5 too. It wasnt quite as stable so I did something wrong somewhere, but it seems odd there was no real demand for this arch. Especially since p4s have been around for so long. BTW I did have a look on google, but mostly found newbies asking the same question with no response or devs saying they couldnt be bothered lol. Just seems a shame to waste potential if its there :). Comments? -- No outsider has ever seen a Tleilaxu female and lived to tell about it. Considering the Tleilaxu penchant for genetic manipulation -- see, e.g., related memos on clones and gholas -- this simple observation raises a wealth of additional questions. -- Bene Gesserit Analysis

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Re: [wlug] URL for page of Wiki articles to add
by David Hallett 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

At 14:07 23/03/2006, you wrote: >I can't remember what the URL for this is - the page which lists all >the articles that need to be created... > >Can anybody tell me what this is as I feel like writing Wiki pages at >the moment for some reason... http://www.wlug.org.nz/WantedWikis Is that what you're looking for? Regards, _____________________________ David Hallett, BSc, MNZCS Managing Director Pulsar Computer Solutions Ltd P.O. Box 15-516, Hamilton, New Zealand Mob: +64-21-802 256 Fax: +64-7-846 3677 www.pulsar.net.nz

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URL for page of Wiki articles to add
by Ian McDonald 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

I can't remember what the URL for this is - the page which lists all the articles that need to be created... Can anybody tell me what this is as I feel like writing Wiki pages at the moment for some reason... -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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New Orcon plans announced
by Craig Box 21 Mar '06

21 Mar '06

Hi, Orcon sponsor the WLUG by hosting Hoiho, the server that runs the wiki and user accounts. We hope that our members support Orcon wherever possible, and as such would like to point out that Orcon have recently announced their new broadband plans, which can be seen at http://orcon.net.nz/products/bitstream/newplans. Regards, Craig

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Modem required
by Craig Box 20 Mar '06

20 Mar '06

Hi, A WLUG member asked me about modems at last months meeting, and I told him I was sure someone would have a modem floating around that was surplus to requirements. Can anyone help him out with a Linux-friendly (ie external or full hardware) 56k modem? Please reply to me off-list. Regards Craig

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Fedora Core 5 has been released
by Ian McDonald 20 Mar '06

20 Mar '06

For more see: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14024 -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Fwd: Linux kernel 2.6.16 released
by Ian McDonald 20 Mar '06

20 Mar '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Linux Kernel Distribution System <kdist(a)linux.kernel.org> Date: Mar 20, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: Linux kernel 2.6.16 released To: linux-kernel-announce(a)hera.kernel.org Linux kernel version 2.6.16 has been released. It is available from: Patch: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.16.bz2 Full source: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.16.tar.bz2 Sizes in bytes Compressed Uncompressed ------------------------------------------------------------ Patch 5335897 29085385 Full source 40845005 233953280 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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RimuHosting Hiring
by Peter Bryant 20 Mar '06

20 Mar '06

Hi. I'm looking for someone(s) to do Linux support work for RimuHosting: setup people's Linux servers, install Linux apps, troubleshoot problems and the like. It can be very interesting, challenging work. For those that don't know, RimuHosting is based in Cambridge and we provide Linux VPS hosting services to a global customer base. If you are available part-time (Sundays and/or Mondays) to help, then check out: http://forums.rimuhosting.com/forums/showthread.php?p=645#post645 If you had any questions just reply off list to me. Cheers, Peter

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Re: [wlug] more laptop consideration (a decision)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

Should read "no heat problem" ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Waiting until the day before you leave the country is not > a good way to make a buying decision but that is what > happened in my case > _I did_ go to dse and try an install but dopey me took the > wrong architecture so the thing failed. > My purchase was a Acer aspire 5000 amd64 1.6mhz turion > 448 mg of reported ram > Installed is Ubuntu and thanks to a lot of support from a > Wlug member I have a useful system. I need to hunt around > for some vga drivers and some other programmes. > So far I have run the machine for extended periods with > a heat problem. It remains to be seen how it will respond > to bounceing around in a truck for 100,000 miles or so > Thank you for all your advise and help. John > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Sorry to hear about the issues, I have several acers and > > we had a similar but easily fixed problem. > > > > The poor airflow is really bad dust protection, So what > > we do is use a household vacuum cleaner and the crevice > > tool (narrow slot thing) to vacuum all the cooling > > ports. Diagnostics usually show a 15 - 20 degree drop > > in the CPU temp after this. No need to open the Laptop, > > but it pays to not do while its running. > > > > Could be worth a try > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] more laptop consideration (a decision)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

<edit> should be no heat problem!!!!!!! ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Waiting until the day before you leave the country is not > a good way to make a buying decision but that is what > happened in my case > _I did_ go to dse and try an install but dopey me took the > wrong architecture so the thing failed. > My purchase was a Acer aspire 5000 amd64 1.6mhz turion > 448 mg of reported ram > Installed is Ubuntu and thanks to a lot of support from a > Wlug member I have a useful system. I need to hunt around > for some vga drivers and some other programmes. > So far I have run the machine for extended periods with > a heat problem. It remains to be seen how it will respond > to bounceing around in a truck for 100,000 miles or so > Thank you for all your advise and help. John > > > ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > Sorry to hear about the issues, I have several acers and > > we had a similar but easily fixed problem. > > > > The poor airflow is really bad dust protection, So what > > we do is use a household vacuum cleaner and the crevice > > tool (narrow slot thing) to vacuum all the cooling > > ports. Diagnostics usually show a 15 - 20 degree drop > > in the CPU temp after this. No need to open the Laptop, > > but it pays to not do while its running. > > > > Could be worth a try > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] more laptop consideration (a decision)
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 19 Mar '06

19 Mar '06

Waiting until the day before you leave the country is not a good way to make a buying decision but that is what happened in my case _I did_ go to dse and try an install but dopey me took the wrong architecture so the thing failed. My purchase was a Acer aspire 5000 amd64 1.6mhz turion 448 mg of reported ram Installed is Ubuntu and thanks to a lot of support from a Wlug member I have a useful system. I need to hunt around for some vga drivers and some other programmes. So far I have run the machine for extended periods with a heat problem. It remains to be seen how it will respond to bounceing around in a truck for 100,000 miles or so Thank you for all your advise and help. John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Sorry to hear about the issues, I have several acers and > we had a similar but easily fixed problem. > > The poor airflow is really bad dust protection, So what we > do is use a household vacuum cleaner and the crevice tool > (narrow slot thing) to vacuum all the cooling ports. > Diagnostics usually show a 15 - 20 degree drop in the CPU > temp after this. No need to open the Laptop, but it pays > to not do while its running. > > Could be worth a try

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Before you install Fedora 5...
by Ian McDonald 18 Mar '06

18 Mar '06

>From http://lwn.net/Articles/175793/ Fedora core 5 will (temporarily) break non-GPL modules [Posted March 16, 2006 by corbet] Many Fedora users are anxiously waiting for the Fedora Core 5 release, scheduled for Monday, March 20. Be warned that some of you may have to wait a little longer, however: the kernel shipped with FC5 effectively disallows the loading of any non-GPL modules. That behavior was a mistake, and a fix has already been made, but it is too late to get that fix into the initial FC5 release. So binary module users will want to wait until the first errata kernel is released (a few days, at most) before upgrading. -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Re: [wlug] Looking for HDD
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

You could try PBTech too, they list that model on their website. http://www.pbtechnz.com/?item=HDDWD1039 They say to call for stock but in practise I find they often have stock when they say that. Matt Browne

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Looking for HDD
by Jodi Thomson 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

Hi Folks Am on the scrounge here We've had to send a drive off for data recovery. However it's a relatively recent model and the data recovery company has no parts for it, they need the heads. Therefore we are looking for a 'doner' drive that matches the following: Western Digital Caviar SATA 80GB Model: WD800JD - 60LSA0 (Last 6 Digits MUST be exact) Date of Manufacture: 16 OCT 2005 (give or take 1 month) We're willing to pay for a replacement. Does anyone have one of these lying around spare? Cheers Jodi ___________________________________________________ Jodi Thomson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) IT Support Engineer - Turbo Investments Group Ltd Phone: +64 6 834-0537 ext 1008 cell: +64 21 799 961 jodi.thomson(a)turbogroup.co.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Turbo Investments Group Ltd is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Turbo Investments Group Ltd. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment.

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Re: [wlug] Ubuntu security risk
by Martin, Anthony (NZ) 14 Mar '06

14 Mar '06

Hi Aristotle, Thanks for the advice on my message being beaten by Matthias. It's pleasing to see people like yourself berating others when they are trying to help or advise other people. It's good to feel part of the community. As for the 15hours behind Mathias, I get my mail from the WLUG in digest form once a day. Hope you have an awesome day Aristotle. Me - I have work to do.

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Ubuntu security risk
by Martin, Anthony (NZ) 13 Mar '06

13 Mar '06

Ran across this today regarding possible password leaks. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143334 You might want to review any existing Ubuntu servers pronto. While I didn't see these same values on my Debian Sarge server, that's only one data point. Now I'm off to check my Alpha server. Yet another reason to use temporary passwords when installing systems. Best Regards, Anthony Martin

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WLUG / NZ Linux Wiki Upgrade
by Matt Brown 13 Mar '06

13 Mar '06

Hi All, The WLUG / NZ Linux Wiki has been upgraded from a very old 2002 version of PHPwiki to the latest codebase (1.3.11p1). If you notice any serious problems or regressions please let me know (off list preferably). Cheers -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz Mob +64 21 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz

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Slashdot | Root Password Readable in Clear Text with Ubuntu
by Matthias Dallmeier 13 Mar '06

13 Mar '06

http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/03/13/0525254.shtml FYI -- Matthias

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Re: [wlug] Novell hopes its next desktop will leapfrog Windows -- IDEAS (a little long)
by Mathew Carley 11 Mar '06

11 Mar '06

>>"When Microsoft Vista ships it will catch up to us in a number of areas, but we'll enjoy six months where Novell's Linux desktop is in the lead," Well, I think Novell just needs to start cracking the cogs of it's marketing machine. Take out some Ad's on the telly. Do the Mozilla/ImpeachBush.org/open-source thing and take out full-pagers in (for example) the New Zealand Herald (Or Helsingin Sanomat, Iltalehti or YLE for that matter - not that linux isn't already well known here). I'm sure that Saatchi & Saatchi or Admark or even a company that uses OSS to develop its advertising would be able to come up with a half decent marketing campaign to cover the 6 months between SLED and Windows Vista's release. I remember at the Novell Conference in September 2004 at the Hilton in Auckland had a pretty good little movie that ran for a few minutes (if you were there, I'm talking about the one where they had the cartoon thing based on LOTR) - something like that targeting the main reasons to BUY Linux or buy a machine with Linux on it might work quite well... Even though Microsoft hasn't really pushed out any new consumer products (save the XBOX 360 and maybe a couple of other things) in the past 4, nearly 5 years, I still see their ads all over the world on TV, billboards, street-sign ads etc in Finland, Sweden, Estonia, New Zealand, Australia, Germany, Singapore, Japan, Netherlands, France/Monaco, Italy and where ever the hell else I have been lately. Microsoft's ads are always about "We help you do what it is you want to do... productivity in the office, we help your kids learn blah blah blah"... maybe if Novell can do a "We do all that too, with an interface that makes sense, and far less problems with Viruses and Spyware! Plus out search tools are better... this is prettier, that is better, you can still do everything you do on your MS OS and for a cheaper price!" At least here Linux is used in all the banking kiosks which are located next to most ATMs that are not outside, Public Libraries, Private/University Libraries, Info Kiosks, certain Government departments, CyberCafes (Ok, well they are coffee places like Starbucks, but they have free Internet or WiFi access if you buy a coffee)... and so on. The fact that Linux is fairly widely used in comparison has kind of provided an answer to the interface question, though: Most people don't give a toss what interface they are using, so long as it works. For example, Kirjasto Kymanen (the library next to the central railway station), The "Queue Up" computers are all Linux (not sure which distro) running KDE 3.3, with Firefox, aMSN, OpenOffice 1.x and a couple of other little apps. People just go on there to check email, do banking etc, and don't seem to have any trouble adapting from Windows to Linux to Mac to whatever. There are some Windows NT and XP machines available, as well as some Macs, but you have to reserve them specifically. Anyway, getting back to my original point: yes, Linux is technically superior. Yes, Mac OS is easier to use. But it's Microsoft thats been marketing it's arse off for the past 20 years getting hundreds of millions of consumers to buy their crap. Perhaps a few side deals with the top 5 OEMs helped but thats not what I am getting at. So, Novell, start marketing now (build up some hype a-la MS), get a "Think Secret"-style fan club/insider info source site and then do a fantastic release a-la Apple... perhaps do it differently, you know... Take out the Aotea Centre or something and do a big product release. Even better if you can get it on TV3 or the news or something. Have like... "NovCon 2006" or "Novell Consumer Fair" of some sort; you know; get your shit together. Maybe some free CDs or additional software... Even better if live-installation is included for those that buy the new NLED or something - all without erasing documents and so on (OK maybe some of this is not so feasible at something the size of what I am imagining) OR... Trade in your Microsoft Software (Windows/Office, non-pirate copies of course) for a FREE copy of NLED! Or how about getting someone like [insert random tv-personality here, I will choose Kerry Woodham because I know her from when I was a kid - or even John Campbell] to like, install and show off how pretty the new interface is... on like Good Morning New Zealand or Campbell Live or whatever shows are on these days... that covers your bored housewife demographic, depending on the time of day its shown. Partner with like, Dick Smith, Harvey Norman or someone like that to get it installed on new machines, or some other nation-wide chain that services computers (I don't know if DSE does this...) to get this up and running on some more machines. It can be done, it will more than likely cost some money, but I'm sure it would be worth it. Perhaps some Mom-and-pop style Computer Stores (SmartPC, Millennium Technology, PB Tech, any others I have missed) might like to partner with Novell too... tangible benefits? We all know Microsoft offers incentives, now, don't we! I'll end it here, I am sure you all get my drift :) -- Regards Mathew Carley **UUSI** Nopeita tietokonepalveluita ja ohjausta @ www.fingeekit.com (Avaamme pian!) HostENZ Data Services A Carley Network Media Ltd. (NZ) Company http://www.hostenz.co.nz mathewc(a)hostenz.co.nz Phone (Suomalainen Yhteyshenkilö/Svensk Kontakt): +358 4 4925 0459 Phone (Helsinki Office): +358 9 2316 3712 Phone (Finland Cellular/English): +358 4 0418 6944 **NEW** Phone (France Cellular): +33 6 1811 9475 Sony IVE Number: 243 700 9835 Skype: mgcarley MSN Messenger: mgcarley(a)hostenz.co.nz The information contained in this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential to Carley Network Media Ltd and it's subsidiaries, and may contain proprietary information or may be legally privileged. See http://www.cnmltd.net/email/ for our standard email disclaimer. Errors & Omissions Excepted. Prices in this email do not include GST unless stated otherwise.

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week yesterday)
by Craig Box 10 Mar '06

10 Mar '06

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. Craig

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Interview with Linus Torvalds about GPL3
by Ian McDonald 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

Quite interesting... http://www.forbes.com/technology/2006/03/09/torvalds-linux-licensing-cz_dl_… -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Novell hopes its next desktop will leapfrog Windows
by Ian McDonald 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

By Ingrid Marson http://news.com.com/Novell+hopes+its+next+desktop+will+leapfrog+Windows/210… Story last modified Thu Mar 09 12:05:50 PST 2006 advertisement Novell on Thursday unveiled the features that will be available in the next version of its Linux desktop product--SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop--which the company claims will be more usable than any other desktop product on the market. "We have made a big investment taking the Linux desktop past everybody. The usability work we've done is not to reinvent Windows, but to reinvent a better desktop," Greg Mancusi-Ungaro, Novell's director of marketing for Linux and open source, told ZDNet UK on Wednesday. "When Microsoft Vista ships it will catch up to us in a number of areas, but we'll enjoy six months where Novell's Linux desktop is in the lead," he said. The SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED), which will be available beginning this summer, is a "big change for Linux" as it is now suitable for all enterprise users, according to Mancusi-Ungaro. "Up until now the Linux desktop has primarily been deployed in specialized circumstances--as a fixed-function workstation or as a transactional desktop," he said. "Now, for first time, we can tell you with confidence that it can be deployed for general office workers." Important new features in SLED include an animated user interface and integrated desktop search. Other features that Novell is touting in the product include the addition of support for Microsoft Excel Macros and Pivot Tables in OpenOffice.org, and full support for all standard network and printing protocols, allowing plug-and-play functionality for cameras, USB drives, personal music players and printers. The animated GUI takes advantage of the XGL graphics software, which Novell made available to the open-source community last month. The GUI makes the Linux desktop more usable, for example, by providing visual cues to users when they minimize windows, according to Mancusi-Ungaro. "When users minimize windows to the panel at the bottom of the screen they will see it move there rather than vanish, so users are more aware of where they have put something," he said. As for desktop search, although the Beagle tool is already available in SuSE Linux Professional 9.3, this is the first time that Novell is offering seven years' support around the product. Novell carried out hundreds of usability tests and shot almost 1,500 hours of user-interaction video to aid the design of SLED. It claimed that each feature of the product has been "rigorously tested and refined for usability to ensure the best possible performance in a business environment." The results of the usability tests can be viewed on Novell's Better Desktop Web site. Ingrid Marson of ZDNet UK reported from New York. Copyright (c)1995-2006 CNET Networks, Inc. All rights reserved. -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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Laptop considerations
by Mathew Carley 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

Might have to try that next time the machine powers off because I forget to open the window and let some snow and cold air in to my apartment ;-) The overheating was a real problem over the Summer (July/August/September) whilst I was in Bordeaux and Nice; because the laptop would power off just randomly if I wasn't giving it some airflow underneath by letting it sit on top of a pen (underneath where the fan is) or something - especially during the day. I kind of forgive it, though - I didn't feel like working in those temperatures either. Still, I don't know if I would recommend an Acer to anyone again... They have just kind of lost my trust. I have one client back in NZ who brought one about a year ago, and I never hear the end of it, as it too, sounds like its a dudd. Different model, though. Perhaps its just sub-NZ$2500 Acers :-( Long story short I am in the market for a new laptop as well, so it will be interesting to see what laptop is chosen here. Gavin Denby wrote: Sorry to hear about the issues, I have several acers and we had a similar but easily fixed problem. The poor airflow is really bad dust protection, So what we do is use a household vacuum cleaner and the crevice tool (narrow slot thing) to vacuum all the cooling ports. Diagnostics usually show a 15 - 20 degree drop in the CPU temp after this. No need to open the Laptop, but it pays to not do while its running. Could be worth a try -- Regards Mathew Carley **UUSI** Nopeita tietokonepalveluita ja ohjausta @ www.fingeekit.com (Avaamme pian!) HostENZ Data Services A Carley Network Media Ltd. (NZ) Company http://www.hostenz.co.nz mathewc(a)hostenz.co.nz Phone (Suomalainen Yhteyshenkil?/Svensk Kontakt): +358 4 4925 0459 Phone (Helsinki Office): +358 9 2316 3712 Phone (Finland Cellular/English): +358 4 0418 6944 **NEW** Phone (France Cellular): +33 6 1811 9475 Sony IVE Number: 243 700 9835 Skype: mgcarley MSN Messenger: mgcarley(a)hostenz.co.nz The information contained in this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential to Carley Network Media Ltd and it's subsidiaries, and may contain proprietary information or may be legally privileged. See http://www.cnmltd.net/email/ for our standard email disclaimer. Errors & Omissions Excepted. Prices in this email do not include GST unless stated otherwise.

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Re: [wlug] wlug Digest, Vol 177, Issue 3
by Mathew Carley 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

In my experience, I would not buy another Acer - especially a cheap one. Not because of the lack of Linux support (I've run several Debian Based distros including Breezy and Xandros, Suse 9, 10, Fedora and probably others without too much trouble). The main reason is the fact that I've had so many problems with the hardware; including the fact that my machine in particular is badly designed (very little airflow over the processor, which is prone to overheating - lucky I can just open the window, and because its -10 outside it cools down OK). I've had the motherboard and hard drive replaced (in the first year) and the second hard drive died just 3 weeks ago. Their 2-hour warranty service agreement is misleading (I used to work for an Acer reseller until about 3 years ago), if I unplug the speakers or a pair of headphones, there seems to be a short of some sort which causes the machine to just turn off... and... I'm sure there are other things too. It went in for warranty service (for periods up to a week, even if I drove to Auckland to hand-deliver the machine) I think 4 or 5 times in its first year. Perhaps I just got a lemon. I do remember someone else at an installfest a year ago having the same overheating problem that I did with the same model of laptop, though. Normally I wouldn't speak so badly of a product or brand, but this thing has just been ridiculous. Lucky for me I have just had the opportunity to acquire a nice Mac, so I'm happy about that. I'll be using this laptop as a media center in my apartment or something. Go for the Toshiba or something similar. I wish I had gone and got a Toshiba. I will put it this way: if the motherboard chipset is Intel, chances are most (if not all) of the bits and pieces attached will work in Linux. Not always true, but something I would use to gauge the likelihood of something working. Also, if you can get an ATi video processor on board, thats usually a good thing, right? Fujitsu Siemens are supposed to be OK, but I'm not sure about the differences between FS in Finland and FS in New Zealand (the same way that HP and NEC/Packard Bell are very different in quality between the USA/NZ and Japan/NZ respectively). As for the power brick - I dont think I have seen one for a laptop that is not capable of handling 100-250v and 50-60Hz, so it shouldn't be a problem. Keep in mind that the next Ubuntu will be coming out in a month or thereabouts, so perhaps if something doesn't work in Breezy 5.10, it might work in 6.04? Mathew -- Regards Mathew Carley **UUSI** Nopeita tietokonepalveluita ja ohjausta @ www.fingeekit.com (Avaamme pian!) HostENZ Data Services A Carley Network Media Ltd. (NZ) Company http://www.hostenz.co.nz mathewc(a)hostenz.co.nz Phone (Suomalainen Yhteyshenkilö/Svensk Kontakt): +358 4 4925 0459 Phone (Helsinki Office): +358 9 2316 3712 Phone (Finland Cellular/English): +358 4 0418 6944 **NEW** Phone (France Cellular): +33 6 1811 9475 Sony IVE Number: 243 700 9835 Skype: mgcarley MSN Messenger: mgcarley(a)hostenz.co.nz The information contained in this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential to Carley Network Media Ltd and it's subsidiaries, and may contain proprietary information or may be legally privileged. See http://www.cnmltd.net/email/ for our standard email disclaimer. Errors & Omissions Excepted. Prices in this email do not include GST unless stated otherwise.

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Warren Hughes (IBM) is out of the office.
by Warren Hughes 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

I will be out of the office starting 07/03/2006 and will not return until 09/03/2006. Hi, thanks for your email. In my absence for urgent queries please contact Wayne Goss on +64 21 375592. Otherwise I will respond tomorrow March 9. Cheers, Warren.

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Re: [wlug] more laptop consideration
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

----- Original Message Follows ----- > Sorry to hear about the issues, I have several acers and > we had a similar but easily fixed problem. > > The poor airflow is really bad dust protection, So what we > do is use a household vacuum cleaner and the crevice tool > (narrow slot thing) to vacuum all the cooling ports. Phew I bet you have to chock the fan first or it would huper drive :-) <quote> Laptops are great but if you want a workhorse that keeps on trucking for years at a time, nothing beats a (under-the-)desktop box. ;)<end quote> I agree with Oliver but a desk top is hard get get around with.. John > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] New laptop
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 07 Mar '06

07 Mar '06

Hello all It just gets better all the time. Matt told me to bring a full distro (after showing me e-live) and see if it installs ok if not get some thing else. I cant argue with that so will try it before long Watch this space. John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > another Hint ... If you go into the powerhouse store, Ask > Matt at the Support counter of his opinion, After he gets > past how great e-live is as a distro > if the store wont let you boot a live Linux cd, you > should be looking elsewhere. Again Matt will have some > experience here as its his "Job" to try these sorts of > things (and he gets to mix business and pleasure) > > At the end of the Day you can never do too much homework. > > Good luck and let us know what you end up with and why. > > Daniel Lawson wrote: > > >Again, as Craig suggested, take an Ubuntu livecd into DSE > and try it out. > > >_______________________________________________ > >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Warren Hughes (IBM) is out of the office.
by Warren Hughes 07 Mar '06

07 Mar '06

I will be out of the office starting 07/03/2006 and will not return until 08/03/2006. Hi, thanks for your email. In my absence for urgent queries please contact Wayne Goss on +64 21 375592. Otherwise I will respond tomorrow March 8. Cheers, Warren.

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Fwd: Re: New laptop
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

Sorry Drew I meant to "reply all" John ----- Message Forwarded on Mon 6/3/2006 ----- From: "" <jaytee(a)clear.net.nz> To: Drew Broadley <drew(a)corrupt.co.nz> Subject: Re: [wlug] New laptop Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:58:24 +1300 Someone mooted that if the frequencies are the same <50mhz> then the power outlet voltage is fairly unimportant there fore it should run on an American outlet. Yes there are 110v transformers available I was hoping not to have to get one though, hence my question(s) John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > jaytee(a)clear.net.nz wrote: > > I also wonder if it is likely to run properly on > > 110 volts.. > > Well, I'd hope you'll be running it on ~12-15v ;) > > You should be able to get an American version of the 240v > transformer brick you get with it. > > - Drew

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New laptop
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

Hi All I am thinking seriously about buying an entry level Acer 1.5mhz 40gig hd 512meg ram wifi enabled laptop from DSE and wondered if it would be suitable to run a Ubuntu system.(Breezy) I also wonder if it is likely to run properly on 110 volts.. Nods of approval most welcome <g> Regards John..

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Re: [wlug] New laptop
by David Nicholls 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

Could also perhaps try the hp compaqs, and ive run an ubuntu live cd on them without too much trouble... Very nicely specced too. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:15 a.m. > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [wlug] New laptop > > another Hint ... If you go into the powerhouse store, Ask > Matt at the Support counter of his opinion, After he gets > past how great e-live is as a distro ( Actually I am getting > to like it), he will be able to discuss the pro's and cons of > Linux on the various laptops. > > The 2 points will be wireless card support ( a pig when your > built in doesn't work and you have to add a pcmcia card), and > the Video driver, If you can live with unaccelerated VESA it > wont matter as much, but some SIS an be annoying as well. > Also look at little things like the volume control and Screen > brightness controls, if these work its a definite plus. > > Live CD's definitely help in his area and are a good idea, if > the store wont let you boot a live Linux cd, you should be > looking elsewhere. > Again Matt will have some experience here as its his "Job" to > try these sorts of things (and he gets to mix business and pleasure) > > At the end of the Day you can never do too much homework. > > Good luck and let us know what you end up with and why. > > Daniel Lawson wrote: > > >Again, as Craig suggested, take an Ubuntu livecd into DSE > and try it out. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [wlug] New laptop
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

Argh!!! My other option in that price range would be a Toshiba satellite with similar features. Would that be a better idea?? Regards John.. ----- Original Message Follows ----- > On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 07:17:03PM +1300, > > jaytee(a)clear.net.nz wrote: Many thanks Fridolin. > > > > Does anyone have an opinion on the Acer running Ubuntu?? > > Regards John > > > According to Matthew Garrett's presentation on lca2006, > Acer isn't a good choice at all. Matthew is currently > responsible for laptop issue for Ubuntu, such as ACPI. > > -- > Best Regards, > Carlos > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [wlug] New laptop
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

-I do not know the model but I think it is a new "SPECIAL" I was quoted $998 for the 256 meg ram plus around $70 for the other 256 meg. The proccesser maybe a 1.4 or 1.6 thanks for the link and idea of trying a live cd in store ----- Original Message Follows ----- > On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 17:31 +1300, jaytee(a)clear.net.nz > > wrote: Hi All > > I am thinking seriously about buying an entry level > > Acer 1.5mhz 40gig hd 512meg ram wifi enabled laptop from > > DSE and wondered if it would be suitable to run a Ubuntu > > system.(Breezy) > > You don't mention the particular model you are intending > to purchase which makes it hard to answer the question. I > can't find a model that matches the specs you list above > on DSEs website either. > > Ubuntu's laptop support page for Acer at: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsAcer > > indicates that there is a wide range in the level of > support with some models working almost perfect, others > not so well. > > The best strategy would be to take the Ubuntu live CD > along to DSE and try it in the laptop in question. > > Regards > > -- > Matt Brown > matt(a)mattb.net.nz > Mob +64 21 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz > > [Attachment: matt(a)mattb.net.nz.sig]

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Re: [wlug] New laptop
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 06 Mar '06

06 Mar '06

Many thanks Fridolin. Does anyone have an opinion on the Acer running Ubuntu?? Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > John, > > most notebook adapters take voltage from 100 to 240 V.... > > Greetings from Tauranga > > Fridolin >

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 28 Feb '06

28 Feb '06

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Last nights meeting
by Craig Box 27 Feb '06

27 Feb '06

Thanks to Peter Bryant for an excellent meeting last night about his Linux VPS company, Rimu Hosting. If you're interested in buying (root!) access to a virtual private server, check out http://www.rimuhosting.com/. Before the meeting, I ran a video demonstrating Xgl, Novell's 3D-accelerated desktop technology. We talked briefly about this and Red Hat's upcoming technology, AIGLX. If you're interested, there is a good article that explains the difference between the approaches: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/newsletters/accelerated_x/index_p1.html The video I showed is at http://pubcrawler.org/2006/02/23/jaw-dropping-xgl-demo/. Be aware it's a 50Mb download, modem users! Regards, Craig

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WLUG meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder Bono 26 Feb '06

26 Feb '06

Aye, kiddies. It's everyone's favourite proto-Eirishman, Paul Hewson. When I'm not busy wailing and modelling sunglasses, I like to save the world. And what greater way to do that than through Free Software. So I encourage you all to come to WLUG's meeting tonight. And buy my albums. Synopsis: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for February is Peter Bryant from RimuHosting, a VirtualPrivateServer company based in Cambridge, New Zealand (http://www.wlug.org.nz/NewZealand) Peter's talk will hopefully touch on: * the history of RimuHosting * using virtualisation (http://www.wlug.org.nz/VirtualPrivateServer) on http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux * his experience as an employer of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux staff * running an international business from NZ (Please add other points if you would like Peter to touch on them; if you are Peter, please feel free to edit the list to reflect what you want to talk about!) As usual, there will be a Q&A session at the end, followed by refreshments. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato. Meeting will start at 7:30pm. * About Rimu Hosting: http://rimuhosting.com/support/aboutrh.jsp

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Re: [wlug] Modem dropping
by David Bowen 24 Feb '06

24 Feb '06

> It used to work OK but is now taking 3 + attempts to connect. > Anyone have any ideas. Try this as your /etc/ppp/options - works for me with that modem === cut here === lock noauth defaultroute ipcp-max-configure 65 ipcp-accept-local ipcp-accept-remote idle 600 === cut here === Cheers John Thanks John I put that in on Thursday morning and tried it three times during the day. It connected first time every time. I typed out a reply and got called away in the middle of it. Came back a few minutes later and went to send it.... but it had dropped the line again. This time it would not connect again. Sounds like it was having trouble negotiating protocols. I have a speaker on the phone line as part of my job is fixing modems to component level. These ones aren't plug in! No involvement on software level! I had tried another modem in before when I had the problem of not connecting and had no joy, then the hard drive gave up. Went from tap tap to get it to start spinning at times to suddenly can't find /dev/HDD... during use. Might be worth swapping the modem again when I get time. " If you want to try Ubuntu, I wrote a script to get this modem set up under it which you may find handy. Of course, I make no guarantees regarding my scripting abilities... Regards, Bnonn " Thanks Bnonn I got the modem working under Breezy already. It was well written up on the Ubuntu wiki. I also got it working on the updated kernel, I just have to figure out how to stop it from connecting during boot, about the time in the sequence it says " Setting the clock to ntp Ubuntu... it starts to dial, before log in! Then asks for password to disconnect :-) Thanks anyway I will keep playing with it and see what hapens Regards David Bowen

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Linux keyboard
by Craig Box 24 Feb '06

24 Feb '06

http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/cymotion-line/cymotion-line_master_lin ux.htm Craig

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 23 Feb '06

23 Feb '06

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for February is Peter Bryant from RimuHosting, a VirtualPrivateServer company based in Cambridge, New Zealand (http://www.wlug.org.nz/NewZealand) Peter's talk will hopefully touch on: * the history of RimuHosting * using virtualisation (http://www.wlug.org.nz/VirtualPrivateServer) on http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux * his experience as an employer of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux staff * running an international business from NZ (Please add other points if you would like Peter to touch on them; if you are Peter, please feel free to edit the list to reflect what you want to talk about!) As usual, there will be a Q&A session at the end, followed by refreshments. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato. Meeting will start at 7:30pm. * About Rimu Hosting: http://rimuhosting.com/support/aboutrh.jsp

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The Digital Dream.
by Oliver Jones 23 Feb '06

23 Feb '06

Does anyone have a copy of The Digital Dream on file? Craig? If so, please email me. Thanks.

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Text encoding
by Bnonn 23 Feb '06

23 Feb '06

Hi everyone. I have created a large text file which is essentially a concatenated bunch of emails. I simply selected the emails in Evolution with shift-click, and went "Save As". I can open the file fine in nano, or I can cat it without problems. It has a lot of useless crap markup, but that's to be expected. However, I'm completely unable to open it in gedit; I just get the error that gedit couldn't determine the correct character encoding. I've tried manually selecting all the various UTF and Western encodings without luck; the only one that will open at all is UTF-16, which renders the file as a lot of Japanese-looking text. Any ideas? Regards, Bnonn

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Modem dropping
by David Bowen 21 Feb '06

21 Feb '06

Hi I am having a problem with the modem dropping while connecting to the net. (ihug) This is an Intel 536 modem on Mandrake 10.1 It dials, says expecting connect, then, starting pppd, and a few seconds later the modem drops the line, and some seconds later a dialogue box comes up and says Kpppd daemon died unexpectedly error 17 Kppd manual says that error 17 is a to do with loop back detected so the following part of the log would seem to be relevant. Feb 21 18:16:25 localhost pppd[21220]: Serial line is looped back. Feb 21 18:16:25 localhost pppd[21220]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0xb "Loopback detected"] Feb 21 18:16:25 localhost pppd[21220]: rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0xb "Loopback detected"] Feb 21 18:16:25 localhost pppd[21220]: sent [LCP TermAck id=0xb] Feb 21 18:16:26 localhost pppd[21220]: rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0xb] Feb 21 18:16:26 localhost pppd[21220]: Connection terminated. Feb 21 18:16:26 localhost pppd[21220]: Exit. It used to work OK but is now taking 3 + attempts to connect. Anyone have any ideas. I could try Ubuntu, Just installed that at home, Suse on this would one be my other option :-)

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 19 Feb '06

19 Feb '06

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for February is Peter Bryant from RimuHosting, a VirtualPrivateServer company based in Cambridge, New Zealand (http://www.wlug.org.nz/NewZealand) Peter's talk will hopefully touch on: * the history of RimuHosting * using virtualisation (http://www.wlug.org.nz/VirtualPrivateServer) on http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux * his experience as an employer of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux staff * running an international business from NZ (Please add other points if you would like Peter to touch on them; if you are Peter, please feel free to edit the list to reflect what you want to talk about!) As usual, there will be a Q&A session at the end, followed by refreshments. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato. Meeting will start at 7:30pm. * About Rimu Hosting: http://rimuhosting.com/support/aboutrh.jsp

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # General business ----- CommitteeMeetingTopics

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Postfix rules.
by Oliver Jones 15 Feb '06

15 Feb '06

Hi Guys. I recently setup postfix on my new server and have configured it to be rather strict when accepting mail. It has done wonders for reducing the amount of spam the server accepts. Ie, the volume of spam I now get has dropped to nearly zero without the need for tools like SpamAssassin. However legit mail is also being rejected. With good reason though, usually the sending host has fucked up DNS entries or is identifying itself with an invalid hostname during SMTP HELO/EHLO. Anyone else here use postfix? If so what are your smtpd_*_restrictions set to? Have you had to loosen your rules to allow valid mail sources that are badly configured though? What sort of policies do you have in place? What other alternatives to "reject_unknown_client" are there? Advice, help, suggestions most certainly welcome. Regards

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Evolution Contacts
by Gun Caundle 14 Feb '06

14 Feb '06

Can anybody help me get my Evolution 'Contacts' in Ubuntu into Thunderbird which is on another PC? Cheers

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FW: Linux Management Survey Results
by Craig Box 13 Feb '06

13 Feb '06

From: Andi Mann [mailto:amann(a)enterprisemanagement.com] Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:36 a.m. To: secretary(a)wlug.org.nz Subject: Linux Management Survey Results Hi, You might remember in November last year, I asked for assistance from you and members of the Waikato Linux Users Group for our research on the cost and effort involved in managing Linux server environments. Your members' responses to our web survey were added to a wide-ranging random telephone survey and in-depth interviews to get a vendor-neutral look at Linux system management. Well, the study is complete now, and I promised to send it to you when it was done. You can get the executive summary from OSDL's web site at http://osdl.org/newsroom/studies/EMA, and the full PDF is available at the web site of the main sponsor (Levanta) at http://www.levanta.com/linuxstudy/. Please feel free to pass these links along to your members, at your discretion. Both the summary and the full report are available free of charge. I want to thank you again for your help with collecting primary data for this study. Due to the anonymous nature of the web survey, I cannot be sure that your members contributed, but I am sure they will be interested to see the results anyway. If you have any questions or comment, please feel free to contact me. Regards, Andi Mann Senior Analyst Enterprise Management Associates.

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e ink displays
by stephen pearce 09 Feb '06

09 Feb '06

Is anyone using the Sony Librie, or Panasonic or Toshiba equivalents .. or the recently introduced Sony Reader? -- Stephen Pearce Critical Care Whangarei ph 021 390 997

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Where to buy and get good advice on computers which will operate with Ubuntu Breezy
by Ron Dean 08 Feb '06

08 Feb '06

I am considering buying a new bare bones system but wish to make sure it works. I use it mostly for Photo editing with the Gimp and some other graphics programs. Would an on board graphics or an additional Video card be a good idea. I was also considering getting 1gig ram. I wanted it to be a Linux only box. Also should I choose a 64bit system.

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ftp.nz.debian.org not updating (unstable at least)
by Ian McDonald 07 Feb '06

07 Feb '06

Folks, In case you are using this it has not been updating at present for unstable for debian at least. If you use this as your primary apt source (as I was) you might want to change your setup... Ian -- Ian McDonald http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 WAND Network Research Group University of Waikato New Zealand

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debian console issue.
by Michael J Knox 04 Feb '06

04 Feb '06

OK, I am kinda stumped. I admin a server for someone, it runs debian sarge. The guy is telling me that from within mc, he can use caps and not use caps fine, but when he drops to a console, he only gets caps, even with the caps key off. Now, I can see this thru ssh. Any ideas? Michael

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Jan '06

31 Jan '06

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Help with fstab
by Ron Dean 28 Jan '06

28 Jan '06

I have a CDRom with filenames in upper and lower case. The file names link in pdf In acroreader for Linux The following works straight from the command line only when I am in root mount /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 -o check=r However I can't get it to work when I modify my fstab file /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0

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PHP Developers
by Oliver Jones 26 Jan '06

26 Jan '06

Hi. Anyone know any really good contract PHP developers in the Waikato region? Regards

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Re: [wlug] help with shell scripting
by David Nicholls 24 Jan '06

24 Jan '06

Thanks daniel, I'll pass that on. Unfortunately due to the nature of the scientific program he is interfacing with, shell script is it as far as I am aware. I'll let you know how he goes. > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2006 9:33 a.m. > > I can't help you on campus (work in Auckland now) and most of > the WAND people who would help are in Dunedin for LCA I > beleive. However, there are some good guides online which may > help a bit: > > The advanced bash scripting guide is an excellent resource: > http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ > Another guide I've suggested at times is here: > http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/bash-tute.html > The RUTE book may help as well http://rute.sf.net/ > > And various WAND/WLUG members have at times run "intro to linux" > tutorials which covered basic bash scripting, but I can't > find the website any more! > > If he's doing some serious file processing, he may find that > a more full-featured programming language such as python > (www.python.org) may be more useful. > > Confused? Excellent...

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help with shell scripting
by David Nicholls 24 Jan '06

24 Jan '06

hi guys, hope everyone has had a good and fun new year. anyway... I have a student up here who is doing Un*x shell scripting (he is learning on the go) to run scientific data files through thier paces and of course get the required output (that goes without saying). anyway, I don't have enough experience to help him, but I was wondering if anyone from up at the uni was around who might be able to give him some time? Please let me know as soon as you can, I'd appreciate heaps. cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant d.nicholls at waikato.ac.nz School of Science & Engineering / Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato Hamilton, New Zealand

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Fedora Reloaded Podcast.
by Michael 23 Jan '06

23 Jan '06

Fedora Reloaded 4 is out, its not bad. An interview with Chris Blizzard (talks on mono inclusion in FC), Konstantin Ryabitsev from the Fedora Extras project and Greg de K. on Fedora foundation and Fedora ambassadors. The ogg is only 18.1MB is a good listen. Its certainly worth grabbing if your in the slightest bit interested in some of the going ons and on goings of Fedora. http://www.fedorareloaded.com/ http://www.fedorareloaded.com/podcasts/Fedora_Reloaded_4.ogg Michael

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 22 Jan '06

22 Jan '06

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There will be no meeting for the following reasons.... * There will be a number of people heading off to linux.conf.au (http://lca2006.linux.org.au/) next week. * We are currently renegotiating our regular venue, LITB is no longer suitable as what was one big room is now two small rooms.

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 19 Jan '06

19 Jan '06

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There will be no meeting for the following reasons.... * There will be a number of people heading off to linux.conf.au (http://lca2006.linux.org.au/) next week. * We are currently renegotiating our regular venue, LITB is no longer suitable as what was one big room is now two small rooms.

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adding a link to WLUG
by Michael 18 Jan '06

18 Jan '06

Would there be any objection to me adding WLUG to the Fedora projects LUG link page? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups> Thanks Michael

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Gnome Applet question
by Leslie Katz 18 Jan '06

18 Jan '06

I'm using Gnome v 2.8.2. Among the Gnome applets available to be added to my top or bottom panel is one called "Stock Ticker". I'd like to use that applet, but I'd only like to have it open while the stock exchange is open. At other times I'd like to have it closed. I added the applet to one of my panels and then configured it as I liked. I then removed it and re-added it (without having shut my computer down in the interim). On re-adding the applet, I discovered that all of the preferences I'd earlier set for it had disappeared. If, on the other hand, I shut down my computer without having removed the applet and then restarted it, the applet re-appeared with all of my preferences intact. I read a lot of material about Gconf, its GUI editor and gconftool-2. By playing around with those things, I discovered the following: the Stock Ticker applet gets assigned a number when added to the panel, say, applet_3. If I remove the applet and then re-add it, it comes back as applet_4. That's the reason, no doubt, why my preferences disappear when I close the applet--they were attached to applet_3 only. Applet_4's preferences are the default ones for whenever the Stock Ticker's first opened. I need a way to change the default preferences for the Stock Ticker so that, whenever it's opened, it opens with my preferences, not the built-in ones, but finding it's beyond me. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can change the Stock Ticker's default preferences permanently, so that, each time it's opened, it opens with my preferences?

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No January meeting next week.
by Lindsay Druett 16 Jan '06

16 Jan '06

Hi All, There will be no meeting next week for the following reasons.... * There will be a number of people heading off to linux.conf.au (http://lca2006.linux.org.au/) next week. * We are currently renegotiating our regular venue, LITB is no longer suitable as what was one big room is now two small rooms. We have a speaker confirmed for February's meeting, who is Peter Bryant, from Rimu Hosting. We also have a speaker tentatively booked for May's meeting. Regards, Lindsay Druett.

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 Jan '06

15 Jan '06

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A WLUG meeting is bookd for this date. No topic has been announced.

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OSS Software for SOHO?
by Greig McGill 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

Hi all, A friend is considering starting her own small business, and has asked me what the state of F/OSS packages for small businesses in NZ? She is specifically looking for (in order of priority): * Meeting the requirements of her accountant (any accountants on the list? What requirements are there? I don't know! :) * As complete and featureful as possible. * Runs on Windows. This last one is really not a problem, as I have told her there will be no problem obtaining a Linux or *BSD workstation specifically to run her business applications, and she likes the idea of the separation, as her kids and partner are fiddlers! :) Anyone done this? Olly? I vaguely remember you were playing with MYOB alternatives? I'd be very interested in hearing from any accountants lurking on this list also as to how hard it makes your job if your clients aren't running something "standard" like MYOB? Regards, Greig McGill

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Re: [wlug] BBQ roundup
by David Nicholls 09 Jan '06

09 Jan '06

I was just thinking... Perhaps if we hold this a little further out from christmas, more general members might be able to make it. I managed to miss it every time now doe to family commitments :( and I've been really wanting to get to one of these for some time. Cheers... david > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Box [mailto:craig(a)dubculture.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2005 9:30 p.m. > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: [wlug] BBQ roundup > > (http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-12-18) > > End-of-year Summer BBQ > > As traditional, held at Perry's and Jamie's place. Thanks for > having us, and especially to Jamie for being co-opted back > onto the committee for the day. We didn't quite get perfect > weather, but there was still much cricket played. > > Turnout wasn't hugely inspiring; there were a good number of > committee and hangers-on, but the number of "general WLUG > members" wasn't that great. After the effort that was put in > to try and appeal to the greater membership, it was > disappointing and we will re-evaluate the event next year. > > Photos: http://www.pointless.co.nz/gallery/wlug-bbq-05 > > Craig > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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OSS software for SOHO
by Leslie Katz 08 Jan '06

08 Jan '06

For Linux, there's Gnucash. I use it for my personal affairs, but many use it for business. The mailing list is very impressive, with many serious contributors.

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Exim for Beginners
by Ivan Potgieter 08 Jan '06

08 Jan '06

Thanks to Michael and David for the links. Unfortunately the ConfiguringExim page <http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/ConfiguringExim?action=fullsearch&value=linkto…>on the <http://www.exim.org/eximwiki/ConfiguringExim?action=fullsearch&value=linkto…> EximWike site is quite sparse (empty actually) <sigh>. I might add some links or content on out wiki once I'm done. Thanks again.

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Exim for Beginners
by Ivan Potgieter 04 Jan '06

04 Jan '06

Hi all, I have decided to attempt setting up a mailserver using exim, but I am having some difficulty finding how-to type documentation. I keep finding FAQs and the like. Does anyone have any suggestions? Many thanks, Ivan BTW: Happy New Year

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Bit-torrent for Apt
by Ian McDonald 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

This is an idea I had been thinking about for a while but never got around to actually doing anything about. Haven't tested myself (or even finished reading about it!!) but I think this is kind of cool. http://sianka.free.fr/documentation.html -- Ian McDonald http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 WAND Network Research Group University of Waikato New Zealand

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Getting user to choose whether to exit bash script
by Leslie Katz 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

Many thanks to both Matt and Warren for your assistance on the above subject. I hope I'll understand what you've told me well enough so that I won't have to bother you again about it. Thanks again, Leslie

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Getting user to choose whether to exit bash script
by Leslie Katz 02 Jan '06

02 Jan '06

I've created a number of bash scripts which make it easier for me to run particular security applications, among them rkhunter. I run the scripts in gnome-terminal. It's crucial to say at the outset that I've had no tuition in bash script writing, so I'm sure my scripts won't win any beauty contest. In any event, I was happy with my script for running rkhunter, except for one thing. I had great difficulty reading part of the output of the script, because that output (from rkhunter itself) was in yellow on a white background. I then figured out how to write a script that opened a second window in gnome-terminal. That second window had a black background, in which my original script for running rkhunter then ran. Legibility of the yellow and all other output in the second window is fine. However, there's a problem. When my script for running rkhunter in the second window finishes, it automatically exits, leaving me back at the first window, so that I haven't got a chance to examine the rkhunter output except as it scrolls by rapidly in the second window. I therefore want to amend my script for running rkhunter so that it doesn't end until the user says so. In a number of places on the Web appears the following script, which I thought I could borrow: #!/bin/bash # Shows how to read a line from stdin echo "Would you like to exit this script now?" read answer if [ "$answer" = y ] then echo "Exiting..." exit 0 fi I tried that script. There's a tiny problem with it. It exits no matter what answer the user gives! The only difference between giving a "y" answer and any other answer is that the word "Exiting" doesn't appear if one doesn't give a "y" answer. How should I amend my script to keep the output on the screen until the user enters some appropriate input?

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Fonts on Ubuntu.
by Oliver Jones 02 Jan '06

02 Jan '06

Hi Folks. I've switched to Ubuntu Breezy from FC4 on my laptop. Everything is going swimmingly. However one thing is odd. Fonts. The fonts in Ubuntu on webpages and apps don't appear quite the same as on FC4. I've installed the MS TT Core fonts package so I have Arial, Tahoma et al installed. But things still look different. Things look clearer in some apps (I think this is the freetype2 hinting setting at work) which is nice but other apps are ugly. Particularly GTK+ v1 apps are all jaggy. Also some websites don't look the same as I'm used to. Like as if the Arial fonts arn't being used.... Anyway, sage advice on fonts in Ubuntu would be apreciated. Regards, PS: Happy New Year

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mythtv question
by Jonathan Purvis 02 Jan '06

02 Jan '06

I've installed MythTV (0.18.1-5) under Ubuntu 5.10. Under the Video Source setup option in mythtv-set, the XMLTV listings grabber has no option for New Zealand. There doesn't seem to be any way of changing what's in the list, other than recompiling from source. Is there any way of configuring MythTV without using the gui or other option for specifying where to get the NZ TV listings? I don't seem to be able to procede without it. Regards, Jon

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Dec '05

31 Dec '05

The WLUG Mailing List is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group (Incorporated). As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in the official WLUG Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG Committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal here. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do major harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/ Open Source related. List discussion should * be honest * accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation * maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * not indulge in ad hominem attacks * not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only * not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * not defame any person or organisation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. Certain mailing list etiquette should also be maintained: * please use only plain text (not HTML) * reply inline or below when quoting, rather than on top * trim quotes (don't reply quoting a 10 page message with a single line of reply) If you have any questions, start reading at http://www.gweep.ca/~edmonds/usenet/ml-etiquette.html. These points have been established over a long time on this list. If you want to question them, please do it off list. As list users, use your discretion when pulling people up over etiquette - please reply off list, and if there is a serious breach, the list administrator will probably have dealt with it off-list already. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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Superfluous files?
by Leslie Katz 31 Dec '05

31 Dec '05

A. Pagaltzis wrote: >Not likely. But if in doubt, keep copies. Tar up the directories >and keep the tarballs somewhere. If deleting them has bad >effects, just untar them into place again. (Make sure to pass >`-p` when extracting so the permissions, ownership etc get >restored fully.) > > Thanks for the reply. I've done as you said. I was just afraid that perhaps some plugin used by the current version was still in the files for the older versions, but so far, so good. Thanks again, Leslie

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Superfluous files?
by Leslie Katz 29 Dec '05

29 Dec '05

I first used chkrootkit recently. It categorised certain files of mine as suspicious. I understand that it did so because those files were hidden ones, but were not in my home directory. Many of the files chkrootkit called suspicious were connected with earlier kernels that I hadn't uninstalled, so I uninstalled those kernels. That reduced chkrootkit's list of suspicious files significantly. One of the files still on the list was associated with Firefox v 1.0.4. (I use Firefox 1.0.7.) On investigation, I found that in /usr/lib I had three directories, each connected with a version of Firefox earlier than the current one. Is there any risk involved in deleting the three directories?

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IBMer shows how to run Linux as a Windows screensaver
by Martin, Anthony (NZ) 22 Dec '05

22 Dec '05

This is from an internal company newsgroup, it shows how to run Linux as a Windows screensaver http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-scrnsave/ This will definitely be one of my new year projects! Anthony Martin

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linux.conf.au 2006: Just over a month to go!
by Mike Beattie 22 Dec '05

22 Dec '05

2006 - Dunedin, NZ! linux.conf.au is the annual Australian Linux technical conference, and is one of the largest gatherings of users and developers of Free and Open Source Software in the Southern Hemisphere. It is an opportunity for developers and groups to present their ideas amongst peers, and for the Free Software and Open Source communities to gather in general. Summary: There's just over a month to go until linux.conf.au 2006 begins! The 2006 conference is being held in Dunedin, New Zealand, at The University of Otago[1]. More information can be found on the conference website: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/ A "heads up" from the linux.conf.au 2006 Organising team. With just over a month to go before the start of linux.conf.au 2006, we feel it's time to let those that have not heard, hear, and give those that have a reminder that time to register is running short. linux.conf.au 2006 will be held at the University of Otago in the remarkable city of Dunedin, New Zealand from the 23rd - 28th of January 2006. With just over 200 seats left, that are filling fast, you'll need to decide soon if you're going to join us for the best LCA yet! If you're worried about accommodation, We still have over 200 beds available at University College, the student residential hall we've organised for the duration of the conference. As usual, the first two days of the conference are occupied by Miniconfs - This year we have a great selection: * Debian Miniconf * Education Miniconf * Embedded Miniconf * Gnome.conf.au Miniconf * Linux Digital Arts Miniconf * Openoffice.org Miniconf * Open Source Developers Workshop * SysAdmin Miniconf Along with the above Miniconfs[1], we have an excellent program[2] full of the worlds best and brightest speakers[3] covering a diverse range of subjects that we're sure will have something to offer anyone with Linux in their blood. So don't miss out, head on over to http://lca2006.linux.org.au/ and get yourself registered[4] for what is promising to be the biggest and most memorable linux.conf.au yet! Please feel free to forward this announcement to your local LUG, or any other person or group that you feel would be interested! [0]: http://www.otago.ac.nz/ [1]: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/miniconfs.php [2]: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/program.php [3]: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/speakers.php [4]: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/register/ Regards, Mike Beattie, linux.conf.au 2006 Organisers

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Video Conferencing with Santa in children's hospital
by Lindsay Druett 22 Dec '05

22 Dec '05

Hi All, I pulled these clips off Cisco's website.... Definfinitely worth viewing... http://www.lindsay.wired.net.nz/images/santa_122205_350.rm http://www.lindsay.wired.net.nz/images/santa_122205_350.wmv

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X won't boot in user
by Ron Dean 20 Dec '05

20 Dec '05

.xsessions-errors /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "ron" /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... _IceTransTransNoListen: unable to find transport: tcp _IceTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /dev/X will not be created. _IceTransmkdir: ERROR: Cannot create /dev/X _IceTransPTSOpenServer: mkdir(/dev/X) failed, errno = 13 _IceTransOpen: transport open failed for pts/ubuntu: _IceTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for pts _IceTransISCOpenServer: Protocol is not supported by a ISC connection _IceTransOpen: transport open failed for isc/ubuntu: _IceTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for isc _IceTransSCOOpenServer: Protocol is not supported by a SCO connection _IceTransOpen: transport open failed for sco/ubuntu: _IceTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for sco ** (gnome-session:7837): WARNING **: Unable to read ICE authority file: /home/ron/.ICEauthority Despite looking for the .ICEauthority file I can't find it even amongst the hidden files I'm running Ubuntu Breezy and Ubuntu kernel 2.6.12-10-386 recently installed

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BBQ roundup
by Craig Box 20 Dec '05

20 Dec '05

(http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-12-18) End-of-year Summer BBQ As traditional, held at Perry's and Jamie's place. Thanks for having us, and especially to Jamie for being co-opted back onto the committee for the day. We didn't quite get perfect weather, but there was still much cricket played. Turnout wasn't hugely inspiring; there were a good number of committee and hangers-on, but the number of "general WLUG members" wasn't that great. After the effort that was put in to try and appeal to the greater membership, it was disappointing and we will re-evaluate the event next year. Photos: http://www.pointless.co.nz/gallery/wlug-bbq-05 Craig

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 17 Dec '05

17 Dec '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!!Annual WLUG Xmas http://www.wlug.org.nz/BBQ Sunday 18 December Time: starting around 2pm. The venue is the same as last time - Perry and Jamie's, 3 Liston Crescent (http://www.zoomin.co.nz/hamilton/hamilton/liston+crescent/3/) Due to the closeness to Christmas there will be no postponement if it's wet. Please check this page and/or the mailing list before coming if you're in any way concerned about the weather. Please bring yourselves, partners, meat, alcohol, topics of conversation, and a passing interest in backyard cricket. WLUG will provide salad, bread and soft drinks as usual. You don't have to be a member to come to the barbeque, but if you aren't, it would be a really nice gesture to bring your $20 and sign up, wouldn't it? ----

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Re: [wlug] breezy repositories
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 17 Dec '05

17 Dec '05

Thanks Jon. However two little problems, 1. The server keeps dumping me every 700 kbs. 2. I had to say yes to downloading the unauthorised version. Are these things going to be a problem? Regards John ps. Found lincity in universal after using correct spelling ----- Original Message Follows ----- > jaytee(a)clear.net.nz said: > > I am looking for a couple of repo's for ubuntu breezy. > > Reading Google has not helped as it seems some > > repositories are not suited to breezy or ubuntu. > > Is there a link to our wiki or somewhere that will give > > me a list of repositories > > I am looking for Wine Lincity and OpenCity for > > starters Regards John > > I use this for in my sources.list for wine: > deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ testing/ > > http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb has full > instructions. > > > Regards, > > Jon > >

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breezy repositories
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 17 Dec '05

17 Dec '05

I am looking for a couple of repo's for ubuntu breezy. Reading Google has not helped as it seems some repositories are not suited to breezy or ubuntu. Is there a link to our wiki or somewhere that will give me a list of repositories I am looking for Wine Lincity and OpenCity for starters Regards John

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WLUG Meeting is on Sunday
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

The WLUG meeting is on Sunday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!!Annual WLUG Xmas http://www.wlug.org.nz/BBQ Sunday 18 December Time: starting around 2pm. The venue is the same as last time - Perry and Jamie's, 3 Liston Crescent (http://www.zoomin.co.nz/hamilton/hamilton/liston+crescent/3/) Due to the closeness to Christmas there will be no postponement if it's wet. Please check this page and/or the mailing list before coming if you're in any way concerned about the weather. Please bring yourselves, partners, meat, alcohol, topics of conversation, and a passing interest in backyard cricket. WLUG will provide salad, bread and soft drinks as usual. You don't have to be a member to come to the barbeque, but if you aren't, it would be a really nice gesture to bring your $20 and sign up, wouldn't it? ----

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Different answers when trying to learn file numbers
by Leslie Katz 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

Thanks to Perry and to Aristotle (again) for taking the trouble to reply to my query. I'll now experiment as well with the further suggestions made and see what happens.

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recent library book acquisitions
by John R. McPherson 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

Hi, O'Reilly has recently donated several books to WLUG. These are for review purposes, so if you'd like to be the first person to borrow one of these (and write a short review of the book for the website) then please arrange pick-up with Craig (secretary @ wlug.org.nz): Asterisk: The Future of Telephony (http://library.wlug.org.nz/show.pl?id=48) Linux Desktop Pocket Guide (http://library.wlug.org.nz/show.pl?id=47) Linux in a Windows World (http://library.wlug.org.nz/show.pl?id=46) If you have any particular book you'd like WLUG to acquire, please make suitable edits to the http://www.wlug.org.nz/WantedBooks webpage. John

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Different answers when trying to learn file numbers
by Leslie Katz 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

Thanks both to Oliver and to Aristotle for taking the trouble to reply to my query. I'll have to take Aristotle's word that the difference between my second and third results, as implied by Oliver, was caused by /proc and /sys "files", since I don't know how to act on Oliver's suggestion to exclude those "directories" from my command. I printed out and tried to read the entire man page for "find", but that didn't overcome my ignorance. Thanks again, Leslie

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Different answers when trying to learn file numbers
by Leslie Katz 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

I wanted to discover the number of files on my system. I found on the Web the suggestion that the way to do so was to type in the Terminal, as user, "find / \! -type -d | wc -l" and then press "Enter". I did that. The names of quite a few files appeared on the screen, each with the words "Permission denied" after it, and then, ultimately, the number 153,406. I decided to issue the command as root instead, to see what happened. No file names appeared on the screen as they had before. I just got the number 154,821. That was 1,415 more than earlier, though the number of filenames which had appeared with "Permission denied" the first time round was nowhere near as many as 1,415. I next edited my sudoers file, so that, as user, I didn't need to enter a password in order to run "find". I then typed, as user, "sudo", followed by the command I'd typed twice before. That time, I got the number 154,722. Can anyone explain to me why I've been getting the different results that I have?

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Re: [wlug] Internet Banking
by Matthew Browne (DSL HN) 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

> From: Bnonn [mailto:bnonn(a)orcon.net.nz] > > Generally speaking I really can't complain about ASB in any > way, except for that they run Windows in their branches ;) > Their support for alternative browsers is awsome, and their > Fastnet site is excellent. I don't know how much ASB had to do with the push for alternative browser support but I know it is something the developers of the Fastnet site were trying to do. I can't say for sure but most likely they are running Firefox themselves. Any in house stuff we do gets tested with IE, Firefox and Opera, and I've been pushing for Safari testing as well. Of those, supporting IE gives us the most trouble. Matt

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Internet Banking
by David Bowen 11 Dec '05

11 Dec '05

Hi I remember some postings some months ago about not being able to log on to the ASB unless using Internet explorer. I heard today that Firefox 1.5 was able to log in. I tried it and it does. (under windows at least) I will try under Linux tomorrow. Yeh one less reason for using windows!! Another thing I haven't seen posted is an article I found in the Post DB Open Source Project, Run by an editor of the Bangkok Post, found here http://postdb.ricshreves.net/archives/ An interesting link to the NBR where The New Zealand State Service Commission is promoting use of the Open Source Content Management System Plone for other agencies. The story can be found here http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=13734&cid=3&cname=Technology Maybe the politicians are listening? Regards David Bowen

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\"People\'s Choice Community Member of the Year\"
by LUG Roundup 10 Dec '05

10 Dec '05

Only 6 days remaining to get your entries in. \"People\'s Choice Community Member of the Year\" is open to all within the Linux community. Closing Date is 16th December at 5pm. All entries are to be sent in writing to comp.lugroundup(a)k-sit.com Entries are to be submitted in the form of 500 words or less. You either enter yourself or nominate a person you feel is deserving of the title, detailing how they have contributed to the community. *Please include Name, *Email address for the entrant, *State and *Suburb. We have 4 independant judges that will be judging each entry on merit. The winner will be notified and announced in the final episode for the year on 24th December. The winner will recieve a concession ticket to LCA2006 in Dunedin and $200 cash to assist them in getting there. Don\'t forget you will need a passport to travel to New Zealand. Cherio, Karin (aka MotherLUG) http://mirror.linux.org.au/podcasts/la-update lugroundup(a)k-sit.com

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ssh and cat problem
by Bnonn 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

Hi again everyone. In my continuing quest to automate absolutely everything about rebuilding one of my computers, I'm writing a script that will generate a key relationship between it and my laptop (which I use for remote backup sometimes). I'm able to create the public and private keys without problems, but when it gets to adding the public key to the laptop ("scarlet"), I run into an issue. I don't want to just copy the public key into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on scarlet, because from an aesthetic point of view, and a portability point of view, that's just nasty. If authorized_keys2 exists already, I'll overwrite it and cause myself pain. So, I instead copy the public key into my home dir on scarlet (scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub bnonn(a)scarlet:~/) However, I then want to append the contents of this key to the authorized_keys2 file in ~/.ssh/ on scarlet. Seems to me that the best way to do this is to simply cat it, since this will create the file if it doesn't already exist. I'm using the following command: ssh bnonn(a)scarlet cat ~/id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 This, however, appears to have no effect at all. It doesn't return an error; it just quietly does nothing. Again, I apologize if this is again an example of my fundamental dimness, but any help would be appreciated. Regards, Bnonn

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1/packet writing for cd 2/formating flash memory stick
by stephen pearce 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

Hi Can anyone help me here please. 1/ How do you do incremental writing to a cdrw under linux. I have a cdrw which was formated under windows .. used the INCDFS file system according to the properties report in wondows. With this I can then write, and delete files from the cd .. within windows .. as if it was a large floppy or removable hard disk. Under Fedora Core 4 the disk mounts ok and I can read the contents at anytime .. but I cannot do the incremental writing .. I have looked up linux references to this INCDFS using google and not found anything of significance. Any pointers to making cdrw work more adeptly would be appreciated. 2/ My 64Mb and 128 MB usb memory sticks mount fine under fedora core 4 and I can delete and write to the devices .. deleting I think puts the data into a trash directory .. but when I empty trash it does not seem to free space on the device .. also .. although ".Trash" appears when you mount it in Windows .. and you can delete the files and reclaim the space there .. .Trash does not appear in the Linux FS .. even using say mc which would normerly show ".--" directories . Also formating the flash memory does not seem straight forward .. I tried mounting with fdisk and deleting all partitions, making a siingle FAT32 partition .. then using format to format it .. unsuccessfully ... are there any tricks here? Formating under windows seems straight forward. Thanks Stephen

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LUG Roundup Competition
by LUG Roundup 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

Hi Folks, Only 8 days left to get those entries in for the \"People\'s Choice Community Member of the Year\" award. Send your entries to me at comp.lugroundup(a)k-sit.com Cherio, Karin Purser lugroundup(a)k-sit.com http://mirror.linux.org.au/podcasts/la-update

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LUG Roundup Competition
by LUG Roundup 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

Hi Folks, Only 8 days left to get those entries in for the \"People\'s Choice Community Member of the Year\" award. Send your entries to me at comp.lugroundup(a)k-sit.com Cherio, Karin Purser lugroundup(a)k-sit.com http://mirror.linux.org.au/podcasts/la-update

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Adept crash- graceful resolution to debconf
by Chris O'Halloran 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

Having converted from Suse9.2 to Kubuntu I have appreciated the Adept front end to dpkg. However the other day, it locked up my machine so I crashed out of X and rebooted the system. However whenever I start Adept now it mentions that another process is in effect and that I need root permissions to run Adept. Having run Adept as root it still won't let me install further packages and when I try it reports debconf:DbDriver "config" /var/cache/debconf/config.dat dpkg:status database area is locked by another process dpkg run finished I assume the file "config" is locked by the aborted Adept process. I was wondering what the graceful way of resolving this problem Delete config.dat? BTW, I have been pretty impressed with Kubuntu Cheers Chris

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nvidia-glx-legacy has gone from bad to worse
by zcat 07 Dec '05

07 Dec '05

When I first upgraded to breezy I was mildly annoyed that the nvidia drivers broke, I had to install nvidia-legacy instead, and that all of the openGL stuff stopped working although the driver appeared to be loading and xorg seems to think everything is in order. Programs like glxgears would tell me I didn't have GLX. Programs like mplayer would work with "-vo xv" which was good enough most of the time so I didn't worry about it too much. Just recently I thought I would try to sort this out properly. I removed all of the 'restricted' modules and glx stuff, including config, via synaptic, then cleanly reinstalled the nvidia-legacy kernel modules and nvidia-glx-legacy package. Now glxgears exits with a segfault. Worse, so does mplayer even when I use -vo xv and even if I'm trying to play some audio-only file (or even no file at all!) Where to I even begin trying to find out what's messed up and how to fix it?!

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no audio input sources
by Jonathan Purvis 06 Dec '05

06 Dec '05

Aleisha's computer has a SoundBlaster Audigy and a fresh install of Kubuntu 5.10. When i load Audacity or any other sound recording program, no input sources are available. Where you'd expect to see "Microphone", "Line In", etc, the list is empty. If i turn up the volume on the microphone in alsamixer, i can hear it through the speakers. arecord claims to be recording, but the resulting .wav file is silent. Audio playback is fine with every program i've tried. Also on my computer with an nForce2 chipset, i can record via line in, but not microphone. This might be due to me plugging in a mono microphone plug into it and shorting something out. (Computer microphones seem to use a stero plug to provide power to the microphone.) Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jon

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gnome equivalent of kio_fish
by Glenn Ramsey 06 Dec '05

06 Dec '05

Hi, Does anyone know if there is a gnome equivalent to KDE's kio_fish? A quick Google seems to indicate that there are some tools but no exact equivalent. Glenn -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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Next meeting: Christmas Barbeque
by Craig Box 06 Dec '05

06 Dec '05

Hi everyone, The December WLUG meeting will be the annual end of year barbeque. This year the barbeque will be on Sunday 18 December, starting at around 2pm. The venue is the same as last time - Perry and Jamie's, 3 Liston Crescent. Due to the closeness to Christmas there will be no postponement if it's wet. Please check the website and mailing list before coming if you're in any way concerned about the weather. Please bring yourselves, partners [1], meat, alcohol, topics of conversation [2], and a passing interest in backyard cricket. WLUG will provide salad, bread and soft drinks as usual. You don't have to be a member to come to the barbeque, but if you aren't, it would be a really nice gesture to bring your $20 and sign up, wouldn't it? Hope to see you all there. Craig [1] Not all topics of conversation at WLUG barbeques are suitable for children. Some aren't even suitable for us. [2] Some comment was made in the last survey about some of the members being 'cliquey'. Two things are at play here; a lot of the WLUG regulars are friends outside of WLUG, and a lot of people go to barbeques and have weekends to get away from computers. Please don't expect all the topic to be about Linux. Probably, most of it will be about backyard cricket. Most of the people involved are easy to talk to, so please strike up conversations, and if there's anything that can be done to make the barbeque better, feel free to suggest it to someone who looks official.

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Desktop internet dialler in Ubuntu 5.10
by Glenn Ramsey 05 Dec '05

05 Dec '05

Hi, In the weekend I installed Ubuntu 5.10 on my Dad's PC to replace Mandrake which didn't have support for all his hardware. It seems to have everything he needs except a sensible internet dialler. I was able to connect to the Internet by using the "Network settings" gui to configure the ISP parameters and then activate the modem device. But that seems like an odd way to dial up and isn't particularly obvious. I then installed GnomePPP but it didn't work. After some searching I discovered that it needs to have wvdial set up but that didn't work either due to the restrictive permissions of /etc/ppp/*secrets, and the wvdial man page just says "yeah we know about that and don't have a solution". I could probably fix that but I was expecting it to "just work". Whats up with that? I expected that an internet dialler frontend would have been part of the basic functionality. Did I screw up the installation in some way? I don't remember answering any questions that pertained to this. Glenn -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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help with network connection please
by John Torrance 05 Dec '05

05 Dec '05

I have installed Breezy badger on my other computer and was working well - I then moved the computer upstairs and now cannot connect to the network that I have. I had the same problem with windows and fixed this by changing the speed from 100BaseT full duplex to 10BaseT full duplex. I think that the problem is the poor quality of the network cable. How do I change the connection speed with Ubuntu? I am a newbie so will need simple instructions Thanks John

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Re: [wlug] Desktop internet dialler in Ubuntu 5.10
by jaytee＠clear.net.nz 05 Dec '05

05 Dec '05

I was unable to find the applet. so far I am using a "pon' script because I could not get the correct modem setting into the network gui until I learn about "udev". Regards John ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:36:29PM +1300, Glenn Ramsey > > wrote: Hi, > > > > In the weekend I installed Ubuntu 5.10 on my Dad's PC to > > replace Mandrake which didn't have support for all his > > hardware. It seems to have everything he needs except a > sensible internet dialler. > > There is a gnome panel applet for this - right-click on a > panel, and choose the "Modem Monitor" under the "System > and Hardware" grouping of applets. > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > [Attachment: jrm21(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz.sig]

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[Fwd: Apache HTTP Server 2.2.0 Released]
by Oliver Jones 02 Dec '05

02 Dec '05

Nice shinny new software to play with... ;) Regards

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Blinkers
by Craig Box 01 Dec '05

01 Dec '05

"OSDL shares desktop survey results": http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5481370522.html Please specifically refer to http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/article019/osdl-dtl-survey-12.jpg. Craig

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