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Printer drivers with samba
by Daniel Lawson 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

I know this can be done, however I cant for the life of me find the references I had before. Maybe I'm going blind. If anyone has any useful info on setting up printer drivers with samba (ie, so you can double click on a shared printer under windows, and it'll install the drivers for you), please let me know. Or wiki it, then let me know :) Daniel

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WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away
by Bruce Kingsbury 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Today is 23/01/2003 The WLUG meeting is on Monday, 4 days away January 2003 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26[27]28 29 30 31

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Re: [wlug] [Off-Topic] Free Software Consortium in search of Consultants and Agents in your area.
by Glyn Webster 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

> We would like to invite you to be a founding members of the FSC either as a > Consultant and/or an Agent. > > http://www.fsconsortium.com I felt supicious. The only contact information is email addresses on the two FSC domains, and two office addresses in Florida and Cuba. No names. However, they do want you to supply your name, phone number, email address and anything else that comes to mind, and send them $250. I have a feeling they'll keep the money, sell their database of contact details to spammers, and if they're found enough suckers, set some sort of weird pyramid scheme: > From the business generated by the Free Software Consortium, the Agent > company will receive 20% of the value of the contract, and the Consultant > or Consulting company will receive 80%. There is a Latin American Free Software Consortium associated with the UN, but it's not these guys. This appears quite real: UNESCO promotes a free software consortium in LA&C http://lacnet.unicttaskforce.org/en/vernoticias.asp?cod=0000000034 Consorcio de Desarrolladores y Usuarios de Software Libre http://www.unesco.org.uy/informatica/consorcio/ Merry Christmas and bah humbug, Glyn -- Glyn Webster ~ Simplicity himself. ~ glyn(a)wave.co.nz

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Sponsorship
by Craig Box 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

There's a few points that have come up in the Netraverse discussion I'd like to add my 2c to. 1. Sponsorship. It's fair enough to assume that companies will want some 'return' on their sponsorship, from their logo printed on the T-shirts that they paid for through to a simple listing on our web site. If we were to accept Netraverse's offer, post to the list (one time) that they were sponsoring us - hell, this debate has done more to raise awareness of the existance of their company and their product than one post to the list ever would. Note that there is already a page at http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugSponsors page, where we currently pay our dues to Computer Upgrades 2000 Ltd for buying our domain name for us. Net4U will be added to that page as soon as we get hold of Sahil and get Hoiho hosted (We've been trying, but he hasn't been available.) If we were to ad a small link, even perhaps a banner, to that page, then we'd be fulfilling our requirement to Netraverse and I don't really think I'd call it selling out. 2. There are people who use Linux for every explainable reason. Some use it because it is beer-free, and couldn't give a toss about the source code being available or that it's protected by the GPL (Free with a capital F). These people are no less worthy of supporting - some might not even know about the source code ideals because the mass media are really good at saying "Linux is free" and not explaining what that means. 3. Programmers have to eat just as much as expensive consultants do. It's considered OK for people to make money supporting Linux, and I think it should be just as welcomed that people make money writing Linux applications. How many Windows programmers do you think have "paid their dues to Microsoft" (for creating such a nice mishmash of cruddy abstractions and calling it an OS? :) While it's very nice to think that every application for Linux will be OSS and Free, that's not necessary. If Adobe ported Photoshop to Linux and charged for it, it would be worth paying for. There is no full OSS equivalent. Perhaps the action of this happening might even charge people to work on something like The GIMP until it _is_ a full OSS equivalent. People without too much knowledge or interest in computers want to be able to make a quick educated decision about what is good and what is not good, or have a trusted advisor make that decision for them. As Daniel was saying, Linux isn't the answer to every question. It might be one day, but even then, it might not be totally OSS. We shouldn't go burning potential bridges over ideoligical disagreements. While at this point there's only a 'free' copy of Win4Lin at stake, which seems like another VMWare, it's a decision that might pop up in future when it comes to sponsorship, and it's good that it's being discussed now. Craig

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Free Software vs Open Source.
by Oliver Jones 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

Someone posted to the list about the reason for the term Open Source. The term Open Source was coined by Eric S. Raymond. He founded the Open Source Initiative. (www.opensource.org) The reason he chose this term was because of his own perceived confusion with the word Free. He figured that if Free Software was to be promoted to the business community it needed a more business friendly name. He figured, rightly, that ,ost business people would associate free with dollars and not liberty. Hence the term Open Source. The Open Source Initiative promotes Open Source Software mostly because of pragmatic ideals. Eg, OSS is cheaper, higher quality, easier to adapt, etc etc. The Free Software Foundation however still uses the term Free (as in Liberty) Software. RMS founded the FSF and remains its most vocal and well known personality. The GNU System (GCC, Bash, binutils, fileutils, GNOME, etc etc) is all copyright the FSF. The FSF is a much more idealistic organisation. RMS often makes the distinction that Free Software and Open Source Software are different and that he does not endorse Open Source. This is true. Something can fall under the Open Source definition but not be 'Free Software'. Generally in the FSF's view only software covered by the GPL is really Free Software. Though there are probably some other licenses that are very similar to the GPL that could be classed as Free Software Licenses too. The Open Source Definition is more relaxed. Stuff with BSD and MIT licenses are Open Source but probably not 'Free Software' as the FSF would define it. Anyway to really educate yourself about the difference between OSS and FS you should read up about the topic on www.opensource.org and www.gnu.org. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] Netraverse
by kyle carter 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:28, Oliver Jones wrote: > > I dont see it as whoring.. i see it as evaluating software, closed source > > or open, it is evaluating a software package. > > I actually find the 'we only want to use open source software' ideals of > > RMS grating.. its the outcome, whatever is used to do the job, WHO > > CARES. ie using word or staroffice .. if you only want to print a > > letter.. who cares what software made it.. the important thing is the > > letter gets to the paper. > > "I only want to wear my shorts. Who cares if it is made by well paid > New Zealanders or exploited little Jamu from Indonesia." ;) yep.. i cant tell where my shorts come from, however i also make a point to support trade aid. > I take it that Kyle only uses Linux because it is "free, as in beer". I use it because it does what i want.. it masquerades, firewalls and runs my webserver reliably. the free is just a bonus. > > > Now why would we need to do that? ;) > > > > People do need software that is only available under windows currently... > > even if its only 1 package for windows out of the 10 they use, if that is > > a critical app, they arent going to change > > This is true. I still haven't found a decent Small Business accounting > app, up to the quality of QuickBooks, for Linux. OpenSource or Closed. > Though in this case software line Wine can obliviate the need for a > Windows license. Exactly.. 1 app you need cross-platform ability for currently. -- Kyle Carter

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Re: [wlug] Netraverse
by Daniel Appleton 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

> How about a sponsorship page then? I for one am > certainly not against > the LUG having sponsors. That sounds good. Daniel http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year!

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Re: [wlug] Next meeting
by James Spooner 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

I can if necessary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Swami" <sns(a)paradise.net.nz> To: "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] Next meeting > > Someone should probably make it more clear that THERE WILL BE A > > MEETING AT CRAWSHAW SCHOOL *TOMORROW* AT 7:30PM. > > > > http://www.wlug.org.nz/CrawshawSchool > > > > -- Matthias > > My car is busy ferrying others tonight after I get dropped off at the > school. Is there anyone who is passing through the main city or > thereabouts _after_ the talk? I'd appreciate a lift some of the way > back if possible. > > Thanks. > Sid. >

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Re: [wlug] WineX 2.2.1 just released
by Oliver Jones 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

As an alternative to Wine you could try something like VMWare (or Plex86). I use VMWare a lot to run my accounting package. VMWare works ok on XTerms I believe. I've not tried plex86. Also, you might want to try Crossover Office (www.codeweavers.com) as it runs all of office 2000 pretty well so it might run the app in question. I use CodeWeavers other product (Crossover Plugin) to run Quicktime et al under Linux. Regards On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 22:12, Greig McGill wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:10, Oliver Jones wrote: > > As I have mentioned on this list before, I subscribed to TransGaming's > > WineX software. For those of you who don't know, WineX is a commerical > > fork of the WINE codebase specifically intended for gaming. > > This got me thinking. > > At work, I have a client who would benefit greatly by moving to Linux > desktops, and remote X apps. The only issue (and isn't it always?) is > that they are dependent on one really crappy windows app. > I've tried using std. wine, but with little success (as with most real > windows apps and wine in my experience). I wondered if winex fares much > better for non-games related software? > > Have you tried any random windows apps? > > I'd love to hear the results. -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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I wiki'ed my drive partitioning advice.
by Oliver Jones 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

I wiki'ed my drive partitioning advice. Arn't I nice and helpful.. ;) www.wlug.org.nz/DrivePartitioning Additional edits/advice would probably be good. Later -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] RedHat 8 CD-R's
by Oliver Jones 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

Yeah good idea. Thanks for that. Regards On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 19:23, Aaron Martin wrote: They are actually on the Jetstream games ftp server, so you can change the login on your jetstream modem / router to user(a)jetstreamgames.co.nz and then download them at high speed for free. I just did it and it took 1 hour 15 minutes to download. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver Jones To: Waikato Linux Users Group Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: [wlug] RedHat 8 CD-R's Can someone please write me out a set of RH8 CDR's and mail them to me. I'm willing to re-emburse for time and media. I just can't afford to download the ISO's myself on my JetStream link. Regards -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238 -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com > +64 (21) 41-2238

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RE: [wlug] wlug seal
by David Nicholls 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

or then theres this... just for fun... -----Original Message----- From: Martin Baehr [mailto:mbaehr(a)email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at] Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2002 9:18 a.m. To: David Nicholls Cc: WLUG (E-mail) Subject: Re: [wlug] wlug seal On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:06:09AM +1200, David Nicholls wrote: > simple easy and quick.... specially for a rubber stamp. > comments? nice, the text micht be rotated a bit to have the (incorporated) right at the bottom. greetings, martin. -- interrested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer travelling in europe open-steam.org csl-gmbh.net (www.archlab|(www|db).hb2).tuwien.ac.at unix bahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/

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Re: [wlug] filesystems for large drives
by Daniel Lawson 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

> > >It was pointed out on some list I can't remember some while ago that >commercial fs's like xfs and jfs have a huge(!) amount of testing >capability behind them in the lab with facilities individual open >source developers simply don't have. That discussion was only covering >one of IBM or SGI, but I'd guess it holds for both. > > You are implying that all open-source projects are run by individuals? Redhat at least might beg to differ... :) >Personally I would trust reiserfs, xfs and jfs but not ext3 but ext3 is >out anyway. If it's not out of the box by the distro it's dead. > > I'm not sure what you are saying here? I read the above as saying that ext3 isn't 'out of the box' - which it is? Just confusing wording I guess. >Various file systems are optimised for various things like small file >support, nfs support, etc. I don't know enough about it, but the >reiserfs site has good concise info at what reiserfs is good at and >what isn't implemented yet. I guess if you really wanted to know you'd >have to put the same files on all three and test with the situation >which is most important to you. > As a reiserfs advocate, you might know: Does NFS work over reiser yet? I had reiser corruption once, when I foolishly NFS mounted my home partition (a reiser volume). And a quick google search should uncover plenty of benchmarks on fs comparison. Of course, they always show their benchmarkers favourite fs as being the best, but thats what you get with benchmarks... :) Daniel

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Re: [wlug] Compiling a kernel for a different machine
by Andrew Thrift 22 Sep '02

22 Sep '02

I do this often on my machines as I have two with Asus P3V4X's that wont compile 2.4 kernels and so have to compile the kernel on another board then FTP it accross. I do: cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.19 make menuconfig make dep && make bzImage && make modules tar -czf ~/kernel.tar.gz * then I ssh into the destined machine, ftp the kernel.tar.gz over to my home directory then. cd /usr/src mkdir linux-2.4.19 tar -xzvf ~/kernel.tar.gz make modules-install && cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19 then edit grub.conf or lilo.conf as usual and point it to the new fandangled kernel. What I do is configure ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Purvis" <matt(a)purvis.co.nz> To: "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [wlug] Compiling a kernel for a different machine > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Colin Palmer wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > > > > I would like to compile it on my desktop machine. > > > Apart from making sure it is correctly configured for the laptop hardware, > > > what do I have to do. > > > For instance, "make modules_install" will obviously not magically wisk the > > > modules over to the laptop. > > > What files need to go where? > > > > Since you mention it's a Debian install, 'man make-kpkg' might be > > helpful. Build the kernel and modules into a package file on your desktop > > box, copy that across to the laptop and install it with dpkg. > > Another method, if you're not using Debian, or want to do it manually for > any reason, is to edit the Makefile and change the directory where > modules_install will put the modules. > > Search for INSTALL_MOD_PATH in your Makefile (or specify it before the > "modules_install:" line if there isn't an INSTALL_MOD_PATH in there). For > example: > > INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/tmp/laptop-kernel > > Then run the command "make -n modules_install" to verify that the modules > will go into the right place (the -n option on make will just print the > commands to be executed). When it's correct, run "make modules_install", > then tar up the modules and put them onto your laptop. > > Matt > > >

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Re: [wlug] filesystems for large drives
by Volker Kuhlmann 22 Sep '02

22 Sep '02

> I'd be interested to know what journalling file systems people are using > on large drives and how reliable they've been. reiserfs, very reliable, fast, very easy. Out of the box with quota support, in 3 weeks with acl support out of the box (likewise for xfs, jfs, and ext3). Can put on root fs with zero trouble (been able to do that for years). Also out of the box are xfs, jfs, and ext3. From reading a very few things about journalling filesystems recently I get the impression that ext3 has too many limitations and isn't as well tested as the others. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.orcon.net.nz/ Please do not CC list postings to me.

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Re: [wlug] linux backup
by Matthias Dallmeier 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

Daniel Lawson wrote: > Interesting, because perry just wrote a script that does the same thing, > more or less. His looks a lot better tho ;) (uses rsync for suitable > things, has better support for adding in new things to backup, etc) So where can I find a copy of Perry's backup script? And is it written in Perl? -- Matthias

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Secure email transmission, GPG ?
by Andrew Thrift 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

O.k. I have a PHP based web-shop that as an order is entered emails me the credit card details in un-encrypted form. What I want to do is use gpg to encrypt these mails with a secret key so that only I can read them. I have very little knowledge of the workings of PGP/GPG but from perusing the man pages and README I have figured I can take the following approach: 1. An order is entered, PHP dumps data to a temp file 2. gpg is called to encrypt this. 3. encrypted file is sent to myself using unix mail command. Is this the only way of doing it, or is their an easier way? Thanks, Andrew Thrift

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RE: [wlug] Secure email transmission, GPG ?
by Andrew Bryan 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

that might do it... but it seems a little redundant since (it sounds like) the credit card numbers are going to travel in unencrypted plain text from the clients machine to your web server... or are your running SSL over HTTP? -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Thrift [mailto:andrew(a)millenniumtechnology.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 09:39 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: [wlug] Secure email transmission, GPG ? O.k. I have a PHP based web-shop that as an order is entered emails me the credit card details in un-encrypted form. What I want to do is use gpg to encrypt these mails with a secret key so that only I can read them. I have very little knowledge of the workings of PGP/GPG but from perusing the man pages and README I have figured I can take the following approach: 1. An order is entered, PHP dumps data to a temp file 2. gpg is called to encrypt this. 3. encrypted file is sent to myself using unix mail command. Is this the only way of doing it, or is their an easier way? Thanks, Andrew Thrift

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Hello,meeting notice
by vinceh 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

------------------ Virus Warning Message ------------------ VALUE.pif is removed from here because it contains a virus. ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ Virus Warning Message ------------------ Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file VALUE.pif The uncleanable file is deleted. -------------------------------------------------------------

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Hard drive
by Craig Box 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

I have a variety of PC bits floating around in my shed. I've got a dumb terminal or two, a couple of AT cases & PSUs with 486SX's and 30 pin RAM in them, a 120mb HDD in my drawer, and they're all taking up space that I'm going to need to free sometime soon. Free to a good home. Email off list if you want anything (Someone, please... ) There's almost enough guts here for someones first Linux router, although I'm sure you could pick up a Pentium class machine for about the same price. Might also be good for smashing. BTW, have I missed the radio club's sale day? Craig

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Radio Club Surplus Sale
by Lynette Mckenna 06 Sep '02

06 Sep '02

Is that this weekend?

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Kspread sheets
by Dave Foxcroft 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

Hi, My name is Cindy. I am curious as to the difference between linex kspreadshets and windows excel spreadsheets. In excel you can freeze frames, can you do this in linex? I have tried the help thingie, but cant get direction like I can with excel? Should I give up? Can anyone there help me? Cindy alias Desperate

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Re: [wlug] Memory Error?
by Paul MacDonald 19 Aug '02

19 Aug '02

> duel boot heh, sounds about right. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Heise" <fordfairlanelover(a)yahoo.co.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: [wlug] Memory Error?

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Re: [wlug] cups
by V K 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

> I am running cups as the printer daemon under Suse 8.0. Rpm -q cups > reveals version 1.1.12-69 is installed. Ensure your yast modules for cups are current. There were updates. Did you use yast to configure it or did you do it the long way? http://sdb.suse.de/de/sdb/html/jsmeix_print-cups.html http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/jsmeix_print-cups.html might tell you something. I briefly switched to cups and didn't think it was as well supported, I didn't like it and went back to lprng. lprng does page counting by default, though I'd find it much more useful if it accounted for the ink used as paper costs nothing in comparison... Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.orcon.net.nz/ Please do not CC list postings to me.

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Re: [wlug] SMTP server
by Paul MacDonald 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Thank you to all those who offered suggestions on this subject. I have got permission from the local admin to use their SMTP server when not at home. When at home I can either use the ISP's server or set up my own. So all is now well. Now I just gotta figure out Mutt... looks good though. Paul.

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linux cd's
by SG 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

Hi all Hey long time no see.. great to see all the development going on and the excellent wlug wiki web pages! Easy to navigate ones way around.. I would like to get a recent copy of Red Hat or Mandrake off someone to set up at home and work if poss.. would be cool.. Also.. does anybody know or worked with a distro called RTLinux... for real time programming stuff. - possibilities for where I work :) Cheers Simon

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Re: [wlug] GPG test
by Oliver Jones 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

It does not appear to. But we can't expect too much for version 1.0.x Does evolution not automagically d/l keys on demand? I know I've got mutt set up to (which puts an annoying pause in while it d/l's it when I get a message from someone new) -- Oliver Jones > Senior Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] GPG/PGP key signing
by Paul MacDonald 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Hmm, I don't see a button for this in Hotmail. ;-) BTW, does anyone know of free e-mail accounts that are not WWW browser based? Though it would be good to have in addition to POP3 et al. P. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: [wlug] Debian /etc/*
by Paul MacDonald 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Hmm, perhaps I should clarify this. Could still boot original install of Debian. cp /etc/* /mnt/hdb1/etc/ (with recursion option on -r or -R ...I forget) ^^^^win98 install with spare space. Re-install - everything on ext2 partitions. cp -f /mnt/hdb1/etc/* /etc/ problems begin... --- I have been thinking since my initial post. Another re-install will be the least troublesome way to remedy this. I was hoping to fix it the tricky way but that doesn't seem to have served well so far. :-) Oh well, a lesson learned. Fortunately I found a utility (now where did I put that...) to read ext2 partitions from windows so all that apt-get over modem is not wasted. Seeya, Paul. --- >From: Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> >Reply-To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Subject: Re: [wlug] Debian /etc/* >Date: 19 Jul 2002 17:11:04 +1200 > >Question: Why on earth did you have your /etc on a FAT partition in the >first place??? > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: [wlug] GPG/PGP key signing
by Oliver Jones 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Naughty perry: This message is digitally signed but can not be proven to be authentic. gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) gpg: armor header: Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid gpg: Signature made Fri 19 Jul 2002 21:12:52 NZST using DSA key ID 2F33F144 gpg: BAD signature from "Perry Lorier (Local network) <perry(a)coders.tla>" I imported your key as you posted it on the Wiki and it doesn't seem to work. Or you're using a different key to sign you message to the list. On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 21:12, Perry Lorier wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I figured I might as well start using this little GnuPG thing... > I used to use my gpg key a lot, but had problems with OE not being able to read my emails, which sucks, since one of the major reasons I wanted it was to email votes for various projects I'm associated and the person that collated the ballots used OE. Uh. > I've added a link to my public key on my Wiki Page... > http://coders.meta.net.nz/wlug/OliverJones I just included mine on my page :) > My email client (Evolution) even supports GnuPG quite well. I beleive you > can get some sort of plugin for Mozilla. mutt supports it really well too, and supports it according to the RFC, unfortunately, OE doesn't, and doesn't show the email at all :( Recently however mutt has added an option to do it stupidly that OE can (hopefully) read. This is one of my first test emails with it :) > Outlook Express on the other hand doesn't have a clue what's going on... Shouldn't be a problem for this list, right? <runs, grinning and ducking> - -- <doogie> Debian - All the power, without the silly hat. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid iEYEARECAAYFAj032BQACgkQcAgRpy8z8USGNgCbBWssUgozEUk7DktuembqRqrd rZAAoIp21NYAVxUEr5aF9/tx769KLFmO =i67V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Oliver Jones > Software Engineer > Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz > www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] GPG/PGP key signing
by Craig Box 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

> > If you must use a windows email client, The Bat! supports PGP key's very > > nicely. > > > > Ah, I don't use Windows email clients, or in fact windows at all, the > problem is people using windows who can't read my emails :( Especially when people exploit a bug in Outlook's mime routines to hide their messages for anyone who doesn't want to have to run them through "View Source"! I've disabled the priority column in my message view because of you, too :) Personally, in the most part, I trust that you're really you, and have always considered PGP unnecessary for day to day use. I'd like an e-mail client to hide PGP blocks and perhaps just tell me if a message is signed or unsigned automatically. Craig

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GPG/PGP Key Signing
by Craig Mckenna 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

I'm interested in getting some more signatures on my GPG keys anyone interested in signing/ having me/others sign theirs, bring your passport and GPG/PGP fingerprint with you to WLUG meeting on monday I'm going to attempt to write up some notes on the Wiki[1] about how to sign keys etc [1] http://coders.meta.net.nz/wlug/ -- -- Craig Mckenna IT Systems Manager Eforms Limited

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Re: [wlug] installing Mandrake
by Gian Perrone 12 Jul '02

12 Jul '02

You should be able to, although it might be a good idea to check out a Linux hardware compatability list (url, anyone?). Otherwise it could be that the X server is bombing out, in which case it should be leaving error messages for you. Cheers, Gian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan White" <moele(a)paradise.net.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: [wlug] installing Mandrake > I am trying to install Mandrake 8.0 onto a Toshiba Satellite 4000 cds laptop computer and am having a little trouble. > I have it working but it only seems to be installed as text. Somebody told me yesterday that this > particular laptop may not be compatible with linux. > I have it dual booting with windows 98 on a 233 pentium 2 processor with 64mb ram. > It has a Chips & Technologies 65555 PCI [Display adapter] > Can anyone tell me if I should be able to install Linux on it and how do I make Mandrake install > something that looks similar to windows. > Thank you, Allan White

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Re: [wlug] The Waikato Wlug Wiki
by Paul MacDonald 27 Jun '02

27 Jun '02

weeee, this thing is cool. Does anyone know how to post text verbatim (to a wiki page)? i.e. tell the wiki to ignore formatting commands for the whole document? P. >From: Perry Lorier <perry(a)coders.net> >Reply-To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: [wlug] The Waikato Wlug Wiki _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Part-Time Work (Off-Topic)
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

Hello there, Apologies for the Off-topic Post but, I thought I might place this post to the list before I publically advertise this position in the newspapers. Net4U Limited is looking for a Part Time Staff at the moment. The person would be required to attend to helpdesk enquiries a typical ISP would encounter. A brief job description is as follows: The support staff will be required to run a helpdesk for Net4U from home (more information on how we intend to do this can be obtained by e-mailing me). The person should have knowledge of configuring Dialup/ADSL Connections on various operating systems. Linux knowledge is a bonus, however you won't need "hi-tech" skills. Knowledge on Frame/ATM Networks would also be an advantage. You don't have to be a 100% technical minded person, we can make you one in no time provided you are somebody who is trustworthy and keen to learn and work in a team environment of 3 other staff. Regards, Sahil Gupta Net4U Limited --------------------------------------------------------------------- Net4U Limited - New Zealands Premier Internet Service Provider -- Home of the new $24.95 Global Dialup / JetStart Service -- Visit http://www.net4u.co.nz for further information ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [wlug] administrivia
by James Spooner 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

I'm a fan of Reply-to Munging. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver Jones To: Mr. Daniel Lawson Cc: Waikato Linux Users Group Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [wlug] administrivia I'm not a fan of Reply-to munging. Even though I get caught out and don't press reply to all sometimes. But I don't really care either way. Later

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Library
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

Can we not request the Hamilton City Council / Waikato University to allot us some space that is for the members of the WLUG? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Net4U Limited - New Zealands Premier Internet Service Provider -- Home of the new $24.95 Global Dialup / JetStart Service -- Visit http://www.net4u.co.nz for further information --------------------------------------------------------------------- On 24 Jun 2002 colinp(a)list.waikato.ac.nz wrote: > <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206242315560.23291-100000(a)helium.element.meta.net.nz> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:19:08 +1200 > From: "<s.yeates(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz>" <say1(a)goblin.cs.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-Id: <E17McAx-0007IQ-00(a)orc.cs.waikato.ac.nz> > X-BeenThere: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b2 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: s.yeates(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz > List-Id: wlug <wlug.list.waikato.ac.nz> > List-Post: <mailto:wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > List-Subscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug>, > <mailto:wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=subscribe> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug>, > <mailto:wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/wlug> > List-Help: <mailto:wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz?subject=help> > > > > 3) WLUG Library. > > > > We've noticed that DunLUG have a very extensive members-only library. This > > is a Good Idea (TM). Its probably not doable out of members subscriptions > > alone, so we need some form of sponsorship. This is perhaps the biggest > > incentive for people to pay their subs, so its a good one to chase up > > I'm on the committee of the ACM student chapter at Waikato and we've had a > great deal of success in getting things for our library (especially software > development kits from people like Apple and microsoft) by just by asking > companies. If you're looking for technical type books, use the something > like Barnes & Noble / Amazons Associates to raise money? > > stuart > > > -- stuart yeates <s.yeates(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> aka `loam' > "To err is human--but it feels divine." -- Mae West > X-no-archive:yes > >

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Re: [wlug] Debian Apt Archive
by Glenn Ramsey 15 May '02

15 May '02

Hi Matt, You can do this with dpkg-scanpackages, and then you put a line like deb file:/path/to/.deb/files icantrememberwhatthisdoes/ in your /etc/apt/sources.list or something like that. Another (much better IMO) solution for the future is to use apt-proxy, it has some nice features for automatically keeping your archive dir clean. g Matt Brown wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have a package archive that apt has built on my debian box over a few > months of use etc, I am now installing a new machine and want it to use > those packages as a repository so I don't have to download all ~400MB > again over my 56k modem. > > I heard rumours about a tool that put these packages into a format the > apt/deselect would recognise and access from another computer - is this > true? Can anyone tell me how I might do this? > > Thanks > > Matt -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.com> 025 263 1932 http://www.componic.co.nz 07 868 3881

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Re: [wlug] Download copies of Red Hat Linux 7.3 on CD-ROMs (fwd)
by Gible Fog 08 May '02

08 May '02

At 11:30 8/05/02 +1200, you wrote: >Any suggestions on what can be done about stupid spammers from Wellington >giving Linux a bad name? www.spamcop.net :) ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Download copies of Red Hat Linux 7.3 on CD-ROMs (fwd)
by Matthias Dallmeier 07 May '02

07 May '02

Any suggestions on what can be done about stupid spammers from Wellington giving Linux a bad name? -- Matthias

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Re: [wlug] WLUG meeting is tonight
by Daniel Lawson 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

> Today is 22/04/2002 > The WLUG meeting is tonight Where is it and who is talking? Daniel ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Meeting suggestion
by Daniel Lawson 13 Apr '02

13 Apr '02

I think perry should give a talk on regex's. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] ENQ?
by Gavin Denby 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

Yeah, we be about, but doing cool things like getting linux running nice on my ibm thinkpad 560X laptop. All i need to solve now is the soundcad and I hoe and hosed. Just used it to finish my monthly accounts, so I feeling doubaly happy right now. On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 18:45, GREGORY PAUL,HARRIS wrote: > Anyone still alive out there? > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] ENQ?
by Sahil Gupta - Net4U Limited 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

Everyone is me thinkz. On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, GREGORY PAUL,HARRIS wrote: > Anyone still alive out there? > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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text book
by Dave Smylie 04 Mar '02

04 Mar '02

Hi Guys knowing that a few of you have done/are doing a comp sci degree at uni, does anyone have a copy of this books that they would be willing to sell/lend/hire/give me? Stuart Russell, Peter Norvig, Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach, Prentice Hall, 1995 Cheers Dave ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: Linmodems
by David Anderson 16 Feb '02

16 Feb '02

I had real problems setting up a LinModem in my laptop under linux, but end the end got it to work... i wrote every thing down that i had to do to get my modem to work and put it here.. http://jove.prohosting.com/~techinfo/ltmodem/ It may not be exactly the correct setup for you, but it might give you some ideas of what to do... but find the the latest drivers before you start... Dave ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] x2x Configuration
by Rudi Prinsloo 08 Feb '02

08 Feb '02

Hi, Well the server I'm talking about is in South Africa. Needless to say that bandwith is as expensive (or more) as gold down there. The mail server belongs to an ISP I used to work for. It serves more than 40 000 customers on a 5mb pipe(local)! The international pipe is even smaller! Get the picture? ;) ciao RP >From: Martin Baehr <mbaehr(a)email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at> >Reply-To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >To: Rudi Prinsloo <rudiprinsloo(a)hotmail.com> >CC: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: Re: [wlug] x2x Configuration >Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:41:29 +0100 > >On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 02:17:11PM +1300, Rudi Prinsloo wrote: > > Sorry about that, but I dont have another mail account yet except one >whose > > mail server is 12000km away and therefore too slow. > >huh? >i never stopped using my mailaccaunt in austria, >be it from the US, new zealand, japan, korea... >besides, hotmail is in the US which is not that close either... > >greetings, martin. >-- >i am looking for a job anywhere in the world, doing pike programming, >caudium/pike/roxen training, roxen/caudium and/or unix system >administration. >-- >pike programmer Traveling in Korea >(www|db).hb2.tuwien.ac.at >unix (iaeste|bahai).or.at >(www.archlab|iaeste).tuwien.ac.at >systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org mud.at >is.(schon.org|root.at) >Martin B"ahr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/ >------------ >WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group >WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz >To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. Kind Regards Rudi Prinsloo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] delay clearing of a pop account.
by Martin Baehr 05 Feb '02

05 Feb '02

On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 08:05:16PM +1300, Gavin Denby wrote: > Care to point me to a suitable IMAP howto, I can get mail with > fetchmail, but then i will have to set up the rest, and all the rules > for what mail goes where and to whom. My last attempt to get IMAP rnning > was a complete disaster. using fetchmail would defeat the point of using an imap-server. if i read you correctly, your pop accounts are from your provider. thus in order to replace pop, your provider would have to give you imap access instead, which then you would access with an imap client. however i assume you want all the mail copied to your local machine, and work on it offline. for this imap does not help. and you certainly do not need an imap-server on your local machine. greetings, martin. -- i am looking for a job anywhere in the world, doing pike programming, caudium/pike/roxen training, roxen/caudium and/or unix system administration. -- pike programmer Traveling in Korea (www|db).hb2.tuwien.ac.at unix (iaeste|bahai).or.at (www.archlab|iaeste).tuwien.ac.at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org mud.at is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin B"ahr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/ ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Dynamic DNS Service
by Aaron Martin 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

As some of you know, I am planning to start a Dynamic DNS service of my own, which will allow people to host real world (i.e. .co.nz) domains on their dynamic ip connections. This is not really aimed at dial-up users, but more at *cough* broadband 'always on' connections (i.e. JetStart). Most of the scripts are complete, and my tests so far have gone well. However, I would like to start a trial with a few people soon. So if you are interested, please fill in the form at the following link, and I will select a few people in the next week to begin the trial. http://www.comtek.co.nz/dyndns/ Cheers, Aaron Martin.

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Re: [wlug] Software/Email as a Good.
by John R. McPherson 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:48:37PM +1300, Gavin Denby wrote: > > I know this sounds silly, but I got hit with this some years ago when I > sold/Made a headset for a cellphone for a cyclist. I gave Clear warnings > on the dangers of using it while riding, Needless to say he ignored > them, had a crash, We got the blame for him using it while riding as we > did not warn him that his hearing could be impared if he wore it while > not actually talking on the phone, but wearing it just in case he got a > phone call. > > It was the last one we ever made. Heh, completely off-topic, but reminds me of something (possibly an urban legend) that to poke some fun at the warnings required on labels, Husqvarna put out a chainsaw with a warning label "warning - chain is sharp. Do not stop with hands or genitals". Or the lady in the states who tried to sue a pharmaceutical because after eating spermicide and then having intercourse, she got pregnant. How obvious do things have to be? The Consumer Guarantee Act uses the word "reasonable" a lot, leaving it up to the judge or jury to decide what is reasonable. I think juries (and judges) could have a lot of difficulty if some obscure technical problem occurred - would you expect to explain how BGP routing works? On the other hand, Telecom advertises Jetstart as "up to 5 times faster than a dial-up modem", but Jetstart (with xtra at least) appears to be massively over-subscribed, although I haven't noticed that much of a slow-down on the Ham. East exchange. But you should see the bitching in xtra.adsl about peak-time slowdowns. John McPherson ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Linux CD's
by listwlug＠comtek.co.nz 10 Jan '02

10 Jan '02

Ok, I have a 128k and a 256k connection at my disposal, and a cd-writer. If anyone wants linux cd's (or any other LEGAL cd's) downloaded and burned off, I think a fair price would be $5/cd? Plus postage if required outside Hamilton? Let me know your thoughts / orders! Aaron Martin Comtek Computing Solutions Ltd. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Cron tasks
by Gavin Denby 28 Dec '01

28 Dec '01

ok, suppose to clean the log I simply add with crontab -e the line 00 02 * * * mv /var/log/mylogname /var/log/mylogbakup will this do the job of giving me a clean mylogname (the program creates it if its missing just fine) as when I type this at console I am asked if I wish to overwrite the file, will i need to add a "do it no matter what" type of parameter to the mv or will it work without it? > > > In short, the easiest thing for you to do, if you want your script run > daily, is to drop it in /etc/cron.daily. if it needs custom runtimes, put > them in /etc/cron.d/ in a crontab file. > > > help? YES !!!!! :-) ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Cron tasks
by Gavin Denby 28 Dec '01

28 Dec '01

Only posted there, as the mailer gave me an error when I sent this, and I wasn't sure it went out to the list, I still intend to figure this cron thing out, as well as logrotate......... And another old 486 comes back to life :-) at least I know now that the posting worked, I guess i'll see if i still get the error message this time too. Daniel Lawson wrote: > > from reading your other post to nzlug, i'd suggest that logrotate is what > you want :) ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] silly laptops
by David Anderson 09 Dec '01

09 Dec '01

This can also be caused by having the wrong settings for CHS, or if there is HD management software on the HD, seagate and connor drives had one that could make the HD bigger than what could be read by some of the fdisk programs.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Carter" <kylecarter(a)xtra.co.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] silly laptops > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greig McGill" <greig(a)win.co.nz> > To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: [wlug] silly laptops > > > > > looks like its written.. however reboot it or continue on.. and the old > > > partitions are still there... real strange.. > > > > > > no useful options in the bios for virus MBR protection etc.. > > > > > > any ideas? > > > > > > Had this problem twice before. > > Once was a dead controller - hope that's not it! > > The second was just a screwy partition table - low-level format fixed it. > > Ive tried 2 hard drives, 2 laptops (i got given 2 ;-) ) > both are identical.. but i have changed the ram to give 1 8MB ram, and the > other 16 MB ram > > however i get the same error.. have enough ram in there to do it.. > im wondering if its something to do with the hard drive controller. > or the bios.. > > im just rawriting the parted disk.. im pretty sure once i get the partitions > set up the thing will work fine. > > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Wireless in Hillcrest
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

FTP transferring an ISO Image. Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Perry Lorier wrote: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 02:36:11PM +0000, Sahil Gupta - NET4U wrote: > > Hills 19db Grids :) > > Transfer Speed x 8. > > > > What did you use? FTP? tFTP? Samba? > > How did the Waikato Uni people do? > > -- > Tempt not a desperate man. -- William Shakespeare, "Romeo and Juliet" > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Wireless in Hillcrest
by James Spooner 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

We got a 13.5Km link up on wednesday, single TCP session throughput of ~2Mbit, with < 1% packet loss. SNR was 16/17dB each way. Regards James ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Spooner Enrolled BCMS University of Waikato NZ Networking & Linux/BSD WWW: http://www.spoons.gen.nz Phone: +64 7 856 9440 / +64 21 447 638 Email: james(a)spoons.gen.nz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Perry Lorier wrote: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 02:36:11PM +0000, Sahil Gupta - NET4U wrote: > > Hills 19db Grids :) > > Transfer Speed x 8. > > > > What did you use? FTP? tFTP? Samba? > > How did the Waikato Uni people do? > > -- > Tempt not a desperate man. -- William Shakespeare, "Romeo and Juliet" > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Wireless Internet Services in Hillcrest
by Sahil Gupta - NET4U 10 Nov '01

10 Nov '01

I must ALSO say, that in the last 2 hours we have confirmed a location for trialing this service. By the end of this month, we shall be there with a definate answer on the reliability and quality of these connections. We would welcome people to come along and take a look at it themselves, before they actually go ahead with it. Also, we would be MORE than happy to colocate a server of this list free of charge. Community Servers and Mirrors would be encouraged, as we will be having heaps of spare, national bandwith. International will be slightly tight on initially but, as it all grows we won't have problems. Quite honestly, at something like $100+GST p/mth the deal is very very good. Regards, Sahil Gupta NET4U Limited ------------------------------------ NET4U -- www.net4u.co.nz Home of the new - $24.95 128k ADSL Nationwide Internet Service Provider ------------------------------------ On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, James Spooner wrote: > > Sahil I find your apparant business practises unprofessional, these posts > border on spam. > > > The pricing brackets are fairly simple. I'm willing to test this out now, > > using a JetStart Connection. If anyone would like to volunteer to pay > > around $1500+GST we will set them up on a 11 Meg Connection, sharing > > JetStart. However, the volunteer will : > > Sahil, this is not a volunteer this is an *investor*. Investor != > Customer. > > > > > > a) Not have to pay for data whilst its on a JetStart Connection > > b) Not have to ay for data for the first 2 months when a Frame Relay is > > there. > > So someone buys your radio gear for you *and* pays for the jetstart, and > you don't charge them? Gee you're a nice bastard. > > Does the person get the $1500 back, or do they get ownership of all the > gear they bought? > > > > > Our charges will be quite simple. We will charge $100+GST per 2gb > > Incoming and 2gb Outgoing. We will ONLY bill by the gig and WILL NOT: > > > > a) Bill by the meg > > b) Bill per 64k (unless it is a significant amount of 64k channels) > > > > So if I transfer 2.0001 GB (I hope you're using 1024*1024*1024 bytes) > > then you will charge me $200+gst ? > > I don't think so! > > > I'm thinking this service will be of good quality. We should have > > anywhere upto 3 locations (which are fairly close by eachother) running as > > POPs. But, the service will definately be of a GOOD QUALITY. > > > > Please tell me GOOD QUALITY doesn't mean 20 people with a 512k cap sharing > a frame relay with a 2Mbit bearer and a 1Mbit CIR. > > > > The good side of this service is that we will be able to supply Static > > (REAL WORLD) I.P. Addresses on the Wireless Link. The client would have > > to JUSTIFY them ofcourse. But, most of the time, we will give a SubNet of > > 8. > > > > We don't exactly care as to what you do with the Wireless Link, as long as > > your bill is paid up on time. > > > Do I want to be on an ISP that happily hosts spammers? > > > > James Spooner > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Next meeting
by Gavin Denby 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

Actually types of shares takes some getting used to you know user Vs share Vs server Vs Domain based permissions and when each would be used ..... and then there's that encrypted password issue, and Swat (running it, and where does it reside, need to be running ... etc.) Daniel Lawson wrote: > Well, i'm doing the presentation etc next Monday, on linux-windows > connectivity. > > Is there anything in particular people would like to see? > > File sharing windows <-> linux > printer sharing windows <-> linux > > and a demo / intro, if anyone present doesn't already know how, of > application 'sharing' linux -> windows. > > Daniel > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Next meeting
by Oliver Jones 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

You can get NFS to work if you have the right software. There is 3rd party stuff and MS stuff. Not that it comes with Win2k by default. The easiest way to do filesharing from a Linux/Unix box to Windows machines is via Samba. Why you'ld even consider NFS is beyond me. Later Greig McGill wrote: >Is NFS available for Win32 platforms? > >BTW - not wanting to even THINK about starting a flame war, but what are >these "certain constraints"? >If we don't know, we can't help! :) > >Greig McGill, RHCE >Systems Engineer, Compel Automation Ltd. >Ph. +64 7 838 3747 Fax. +64 7 838 3737 >Network Engineer - Linux solutions specialist. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Cree" <cree(a)phys.waikato.ac.nz> >To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 4:22 PM >Subject: Re: [wlug] Next meeting > > >>Daniel Lawson writes: >> >> > Is there anything in particular people would like to see? >> > >> > File sharing windows <-> linux >> > printer sharing windows <-> linux >> >>What about NFS exports from Windoze machine? Particulary one that can map >>usernames on the Unix side (via a NIS server) to Windoze users on a >> >Windoze > >>domain controller and properly preserver permissions on both Unix and >>Windoze sides. >> >>And no doubt I'll get swamped with responses saying use Samba. I should >>point out that I consider Samba to be a very much less than ideal solution >>due to certain constraints it has. I would much prefer to avoid that >>route. Actually (and I hope he's not reading this list) I wish our >> >Windoze > >>sys admin would install a decent OS on the rather nice server with raid >>array he got for us. Too bad he crippled it with Microsloth. >> >>Anyone tried Unix Service for Windoze on a Windoze machine? How do you >> >get > >>it to work if you don't have access to the primary domain controller? >> >>Cheers >>Michael >>------------ >>WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group >>WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz >>To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. >> > >------------ >WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group >WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz >To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] Next meeting
by Daniel Lawson 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

> What about NFS exports from Windoze machine? Particulary one that can map > usernames on the Unix side (via a NIS server) to Windoze users on a Windoze > domain controller and properly preserver permissions on both Unix and > Windoze sides. I've not used NFS from win32 - i considered using an NFS client under windows once, but definately not exporting from a windows box. So, unless I magically discover another day between sunday and monday, I cant help too much :/ The name mapping might be eaier to arrange, as there are plenty of equivalent services. Mainly aimed at mapping NTDOM names to unix names. Samba TNG has a winbind daemon which is supposed to do this, IIRC. My demo's will have a LDAP directory rather than NIS, btw. daniel ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Open Letter to Parliament on Open Source Software
by Oliver Jones 03 Oct '01

03 Oct '01

http://www.openz.org/ -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com

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raw disks
by Arne Pallentin 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

hi everyone, I just tried to use a dual boot W2K installation via vmware from my SuSE 7.2 box. Problem: I do not have access to the dev (hde), and including me into user-group "disk" as advised by vmware does not work. Does someone know how I can set write access for that hd?? Thanks, Arne -- Arne Pallentin, Dipl.-Geol. Dept. of Earth Sciences - UoW Hamilton New Zealand ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] CD reader/writers
by Oliver Jones 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Which incidentally is how Windows does it as well. It is just a little harder to notice. :) Windows uses ASPI which is a SCSI API. The IDE devices have IDE->SCSI/ASPI support in their drivers. Later Chris Martin wrote: >You need to enable SCSI emulation, it's an option in the kernel. >Beyond that I'm not sure, I haven't set up an IDE burner in Linux >(mine is SCSI), but you need to fool it into thinking your IDE burner >is a SCSI device. > >>Yo people >> >>I'm having problems getting a CD reader/writer going properly on my Linux >>installation. Wondering if some bright spark can give some illumination on >>the problem? >> >>System: Suse 7.2, kde 2.2 on an AMD processor based system. >>CD-Reader/Writer: Goldstar IDE CD-reader/writer >> >>The CD reader/writer is on the slave port of the primary IDE >>controller. Note that it is IDE and not SCSI. >> >>What works: >> >>1) I can mount an ISO9960 CD and read it fine. >> >>What doesn't work: >> >>1) Can't write ISO image to CD. I try to use cdrecorder and it wants a >> device specification. I don't know what on earth to tell it. The manual >> is no help - it is all geered towards a SCSI CD-writer. Can someone tell >> me what I should be telling it for a device? >> >>2) Can't play music CDs. I run KDE's CDplayer program and it can start >> reading the music CD OK, and says its playing but no sound is comes out >> whatsoever. >> >> Maybe worth noting that KDE on startup (ie login) reports it can't find >> the /dev/dsp device and says it will use the null sound device >> instead. However all its own little jingles, bells, whatnots are sounded >> OK. I hear them. Just not the CD. >> >> The appropriate wire connecting the CD reader to the sound board is >> attached. >> >> Don't have any clue what the sound board is - it's on the motherboard. >> >>Any suggestions? >> >>Cheers >>Michael >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Dr Michael Cree Email: cree(a)phys.waikato.ac.nz >>Lecturer >>Dept. Physics and Elec. Eng. >>University of Waikato >>Private Bag 3105 Fax: +64-7-8384219 >>Hamilton Telephone: +64-7-8384301 >>New Zealand >>------------ >>WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group >>WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz >>To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >>with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. >> > > >------------ >WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group >WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz >To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com

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Re: [wlug] CD reader/writers
by Matthias Dallmeier 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Michael Cree wrote: > Any suggestions? Read the CD-Writing HOWTO. Basically, you want to set it up to pretend to be a SCSI device. -- Matthias ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] XTerminals
by Gavin Denby 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

It was one of the files being sought at the Lug meeting > > What's the significance of the (40) in this sentence? Daniel/Bruce. Could really use a howto. Maybe update the one I dropped off to bruce. > >What do all the various different Xncdecx_* files do? >They all look different and I haven't tried any of the others yet. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] oh my god
by Gavin Denby 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

Oh you mean ATM's aren't those things the tellers type on ??????? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gavin Denby To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [wlug] oh my god I thought he said that Automatic Teller Machines were copied from IBM years ago ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindsay Druett To: 'wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz' Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: RE: [wlug] oh my god I'm sure that when BNZ was talking to the salesman about ATM and whether or not WinNT could handle it. The salesman would have said "Yes.." as they always do, and go on to say Microsoft has been supporting ATM for years. After all Adobe Type Manager has been around for a while now. -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Carter [mailto:kylecarter(a)xtra.co.nz] Sent: Friday, 31 August 2001 11:42 To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [wlug] oh my god http://www.idgnet.co.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/03794CA97FC2E535CC256AB7007408C3!o… free money coming everyones way.

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Re: [wlug] Samba is giving me brain damage
by Greig McGill 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

And in /etc/samba/lmhosts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Denby" <redhat(a)ihug.co.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] Samba is giving me brain damage > have you set up the winme client details in /etc/hosts and /etc/host allow > files? > > It caught me out before. > > also has the winme client login been given permissions for the shared files. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Anderson" <anderson_dj(a)xtra.co.nz> > To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:40 PM > Subject: [wlug] Samba is giving me brain damage > > > > I have been trying to setup a samba server for a WinME client. > > > > I can see the samba server from windows, in the correct workgroup. > > I can ping from windows to the server and from the server to windows. > > > > If i setup a share on the WinME side, i can then browse that for the > server > > side. > > > > I try to connect using - net use * \\tahuna\samdata and i get an error 53: > > message. > > If i type smbclient -L tahuna , it returns that there is a share called > > samdata. > > If i type smbclient -L dt01 - dt01 is the client, it returns the correct > > info also. > > > > Can anyone help me, i have checked the net and can't find any info to help > > me. > > I have also used a windows 95 client in case ME was stuffing something up > > but > > same problems. > > > > Thanks > > Dave > > > > > > > > ------------ > > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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RE: [wlug] pong
by Kim Shepherd 13 Aug '01

13 Aug '01

Everyone knows students smell the worst.. :) -- Kim Shepherd <kims(a)waikato.ac.nz> ITS Systems & Development University of Waikato, NZ. +64 7 838 4681 > -----Original Message----- > From: James Spooner [mailto:james(a)spoons.gen.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2001 11:40 a.m. > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [wlug] pong > > > > You smell :) bahahahaha *sigh* > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > James Spooner Enrolled BCMS > University of Waikato NZ > Networking & Linux/BSD WWW: http://www.spoons.gen.nz Phone: +64 7 856 9440 extn 666 Email: james(a)spoons.gen.nz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Daniel Lawson wrote: > > > anyone alive... ? > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] pong
by James Spooner 13 Aug '01

13 Aug '01

You smell :) bahahahaha *sigh* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ James Spooner Enrolled BCMS University of Waikato NZ Networking & Linux/BSD WWW: http://www.spoons.gen.nz Phone: +64 7 856 9440 extn 666 Email: james(a)spoons.gen.nz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Daniel Lawson wrote: > > > anyone alive... ? > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] X client for Windows?
by Oliver Jones 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Exceed is excellent but _way_ expensive. Xwin32 (by Star...something) is good and cheaper. If you install cygwin and XFree86 on Win2k you get a "free" one and bash and lots of gnu tools to play with. XFree for WIn32 was not very stable last time I looked. But was improving fast so maybe it is usable now. Later Bob Brown wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anyone recommend a good X client for Windows? My linux box runs with > just a power and a network cable into it and I'd like to run some of the X > apps on it (like Kylix etc...) ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Apache as Backup
by Oliver Jones 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

> If you wanted to have a redundant machine on the same network then it would > work easily as you can probably can configure the local router if and when > the main server goes down. You could easily have a something monitoring the > system and if a machine goes down reroute its packets to an other machine > that is configured to accept them if such problems arise. Alternatively you can just buy redundant links from different uplink ISP's and have your redundent webserver inhouse. Later -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Computers as tools
by Daniel Lawson 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

> People don't like to learn new things and expect the "perfect" software to > guess what they are trying to do and do it for them. (shades of XP?) > However to those of us who who know what we are doing such application > behaviour is obtrusive and annoying. This is another large HCI issue. How do you make an interface which is "intuitive" and "user-friendly" so that even a person who has never experienced a similar system before, be able to use it without any form of training; AND make sure that the same interface doesn't get in the way of someone who has been using it for a while? For simple programs, this is no big deal. For complex programs, it is. MS tried to solve this in office2k by hiding options that weren't used often. For a new user, the menus are sparse. There is nothing to confuse them. Experienced users can still navigate their way round and get the required functionality. Lets not mention the problems caused to new users when office decides something isn't used much any more and hides the item from the menu ;) > As far as learning new tools, such as lisp, emacs, or sendmail rewrite rules I > have one teeny problem. I kind of don't like learning legacy, ready to die, > non progressive languages for the sake of maintaining legacy applications. I > would put sendmail in that category. I think its concept is way to clumsy. I > would like to see something a bit more logical and more closely related to the > problem domain rather than idiosyncratic syntax. emacs and lisp are not 'legacy' I cant use ms office at uni - no win32 boxes. I refuse to use staroffice because its a pain in the ass, huge, and mimics a win32 desktop - which is REALLY annoying in linux. I use emacs instead, it does everything I want, and it does it better than the office suites would have. And it has tetris :). sendmail, well... > However I think languages like Java are a good idea. I think any kind of RAD > tool is a good idea. I think languages that create a better representation of > the problem that they are modelling are a good idea. I just don't like > seeing old technology hanging on past its use by date because it's "tried and > proven". There is a big difference between continuing to support legacy apps because they are already implemented in a production system, and implementing a legacy app in a new system. By all means, when rolling out a new mailserver, use exim or postfix or qmail, or whatever you prefer. I think if you tried to replace a legacy sendmail server in a large network you'd create far more problems and spend far more time than it would have taken to have learned how to use sendmail to the point you can fix the problem. > Yes, we should be willing to learn, if its progress. As long as its not COBOL. > ;) Even if its not progress, we should be willing to learn. How much of the software / it consultant industry in the 90's was to do with "Y2K bugs" ? Which could all fall under the domain of 'legacy applications'. COBOL's another kettle of fish entirely ;) (although, a good deal of aforementioned 'y2k bugs' would have been for cobol systems) Daniel ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Computers as tools
by Martin Baehr 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:56:21PM +1200, Daniel Lawson wrote: > Why do people object to learning how to use a technology? you missunderstand. there is a difference in learning something you will use every day vs. learning something you will use only once. there is absolutely no problem to learn how to use emacs. i only do not want to have to learn how to configure it. > Do you have the same expectation of a car? That you can jump in and use it > straight away, without prior knowledge of cars? the expense and time to learn to drive is one reason why i don't. (environmental issues are the other) people learn to drive because they are forced to. > They adopt a 'its too hard' or a 'I dont have time' attitude. This is very > apparent with computers, rather than other technological advances. A lot > of people will quite happily learn how to use a VCR, DVD player, advanced > TV controls on their flash new 100HZ Philips TV, whatever. Yet they will > balk, or even be 'unable' to learn a computer program interface that > doesn't have pretty colours and isn't inherently obvious from a casual > glance. you are ignoring that the complexity of a computer differs by several magnitudes from those other devices you mentioned. and also there are a lot of people out there who have no clue how to use those devices. in order to type text a computer needs to come down to the complexity of a typewriter. The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw by accepting computers the way they are now, you are standing in the way of progress. i do not want to adapt to the computer. nuff said. greetings, martin. -- by the end of 2001 i'd like to find a new job anywhere in the world, doing pike development and/or training and/or unix and roxen system administration. -- pike programmer Traveling in New Zealand (www|db).hb2.tuwien.ac.at unix (iaeste|bahai).or.at (www.archlab|iaeste).tuwien.ac.at systemadministrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org mud.at is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin B"ahr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/ ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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RE: [wlug] More Grrrr....
by James Spooner 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

Isn't that A.Thrift? -----Original Message----- From: owner-wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:owner-wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Greig McGill Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 1:19 PM To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [wlug] More Grrrr.... > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at paradise.net.nz. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > <linuxbox(a)paradise.net.nz>: > Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) Anyone know this critter? I've unsubbed it. Hmmm...I wonder if there's an award for BLOFH! ;) Greig McGill RHCE Systems Engineer, Compel Automation Ltd. Ph. +64 7 838 3747 Fax. +64 7 838 3737 Network Engineer - Linux solutions specialist. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] [Fwd: FW: Microsoft restrictions on EULA for Mobile Internet Toolkit]
by Greig McGill 22 Jun '01

22 Jun '01

Actually - we do, but it's huge, clunky, and it's Word doc type "compatibility" is a joke. A lot of people say that, and I always wonder if they've ever tried using it on a daily basis in a corporate environment. Plus, it's no fun trying to wean all the MS lovers (well, they like Office) here off of it! And spellcheck is broken...and...and...<<endless stream of bitching about SO>> Greig McGill RHCE Systems Engineer, Compel Automation Ltd. Ph. +64 7 838 3747 Fax. +64 7 838 3737 Network Engineer - Linux solutions specialist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Jones" <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: FW: Microsoft restrictions on EULA for Mobile Internet Toolkit] > > > Oi! But here at work I NEED to use M$ apps... :( > > Well, actually I don't, but I choose to so as to make life easier for my > > co-workers! :) > > You could use star office. :) > > -- > Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 > - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Help with installing linux?
by Glenn Reed 20 Jun '01

20 Jun '01

Personally I think a 486 would be too slow to run the latest software out there well. X-Windows with KDE or Gnome would be a tad slow. Anyone else on the list like to offer what they think is the minimum spec for a decent linux system running desktop type software? What kind of system do you have currently, in terms of available hard drive space and RAM, etc? Regards Glenn. On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, you wrote: > Any Linux bods in Cambridge that could assist in setting up > linux? Am a new user and my first attempt at loading Redhat 7.1 > stuffed my Windows 98 system up complexly. I want to be able to > run both to try things out. I want to put linux on a 486 if > possible. > > Many thanks > ============================= > Grant Nicklin > 75 Princes Street, Cambridge > Ph (07) 827-4167, Fax (07) 827-4965 > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 6/12/01 > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Glenn Reed email: glenn.r(a)ihug.co.nz New Zealand web: http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/g.reed/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Next Meet
by Chris Martin 31 May '01

31 May '01

>> Going from Redhat/Mandrake to Debian is quite a steep jump, Debian >> isn't anywhere near as easy to set up, although its package management >> system (apt) is nicer than RPM. Progeny Debian and Storm Linux are >> more user-friendly versions of Debian. Stormix have gone out of business >> last I heard, but Progeny is still around. I can make copies of the two >> Progeny binary CDs if you like, I don't plan on installing it myself for another >> couple of weeks yet since I need compatibility with the lab machines at uni >> until the end of the semester (so I'm running Slackware 7.0). > >Ewww slackware... evil. ;) It's actually pretty nice, if you don't plan on upgrading things too often ;-) It's a good way to familiarise yourself with the internals of the OS tho. >I'm personally of the opinion that although apt-get is quite convienient >it has potentially large security flaws. Or at least it appears to >have. Though I'm not experienced enough with debian to give a >definiative statement in that regard. I'm still sticking to RedHat as >I've not seen anything in debian to really convince me to jump ship. Installing binary RPMs isn't that safe either, is it? Unless you plan on installing from source, and studying it in detail, every time you install a program, you have to take a leap of faith regardless of your package management system. The apt system seems pretty well-regulated, not like someone could sneak in a nasty new version of the Gimp that sends all your pictures to the Church of Scientology. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Mandrake 8 d2
by kerriny＠paradise.net.nz 31 May '01

31 May '01

Does anyone have Mandrake 8 disk 2? I have painstakingly downloaded disk one, however would like to experiment with the firewalls on the second disk. If anyone can help, could you please drop me a line. Thanks, Kerrin ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group WWW: http://wlug.linuxcare.co.nz To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] kmail and netscape nav problem
by Oliver Jones 02 May '01

02 May '01

> Nearly all linux email clients will function in "offline" mode if you > configure them to do so. > Another way to do it is set up your local system as a mail server - I use a > sendmail/fetchmail combo, and have your client talk to that. That way ALL > mail is technically offline, until you trigger a mailqueue run with > sendmail -q. > > To answer your need for Outlook Express - I'd heap scorn, but guess what I'm > using here at work :) - try evolution from helixcode. >From Ximian boy, Ximian. ;) Also Evolution (last time I looked) really wasn't stable enough). And it hates my Cyrus IMAPD. :( Later -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] LDAP
by Oliver Jones 07 Apr '01

07 Apr '01

> my /etc/default/useradd has a 'GROUP' value of 100, yet useradd assigns a > per-user group of gid > 500 and assigns that to the user? Or is that > actually standard practise? That is because of /etc/login.defs which is used. It specifies more detail than /etc/defaults/useradd. You will notice that group 100 is the group users. The lowest group an user should be a member of. I'm not sure if you're added to that group by default tho. > Or, of course, have redhat patched useradd. > > > [oliver] duality:/usr/sbin$ ls -la adduser > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Feb 17 19:08 adduser -> > > useradd* > > sure. In that case, you *still* need to provide a wrapper to magically > determine whether to update the ldap store or the system files, or to > provide a new useradd to replace the old one. If you're using ldap to store site wide information that information should only be about human users. "System" (mysql, bin, root, mail) users should probably be in /etc/passwd. They rarely have passwords (except root) anyway. Also if that sort of info wasn't stored in reliable places (ie, in a file) you could stop your system from booting or functioning by DoS'ing slapd or having an incorrect configuration. Even if slapd crashed you could log in as root and restart it. PAM allows for fall back authentication. Later -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] WLUG distribution
by Daniel Lawson 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

>Depends. Lots of those huge distros have lots of programs. Many of >which duplicate functionality. Ie, 20 different editors for console/X. Exactly. Some of them also have free trials of commercial products. Ha! >Oh and something else to add to the wish list! Pentium compiled >packages! Down with 486's!!... ;) Or at least make it _really_ easy to >create a i586+ distro. 'make world target=i586' ? :) >Actually here is a question. Anyone know if RH6.2 with stock standard >gcc (ie, egcs 1.1.2 aka egcs-2.91.66) can produce i586 binaries? I run RH6.1 on beltaine, but I may have upgraded GCC. rpm -qa | grep egcs egcs-1.1.2-24 egcs-c++-1.1.2-24 from the GCC info page (with a bit of searching) info egcs -> Invoking GCC -> Submodel Options -> i386 Options -------------------------------- Intel 386 Options ----------------- These `-m' options are defined for the i386 family of computers: `-mcpu=CPU TYPE' Assume the defaults for the machine type CPU TYPE when scheduling instructions. The choices for CPU TYPE are: `i386', `i486', `i586' (`pentium'), `pentium', `i686' (`pentiumpro') and `pentiumpro'. While picking a specific CPU TYPE will schedule things appropriately for that particular chip, the compiler will not generate any code that does not run on the i386 without the `-march=CPU TYPE' option being used. `-march=CPU TYPE' Generate instructions for the machine type CPU TYPE. The choices for CPU TYPE are: `i386', `i486', `pentium', and `pentiumpro'. Specifying `-march=CPU TYPE' implies `-mcpu=CPU TYPE'. `-m386' `-m486' `-mpentium' `-mpentiumpro' Synonyms for -mcpu=i386, -mcpu=i486, -mcpu=pentium, and -mcpu=pentiumpro respectively. -------------- so, its actually sufficient to pass -march=i586 to compile with pentium optimisations. I tweaked my global rpmrc thusly... (olly, you may already know this, but its for the rest of the group as well, if they didn't know it ;) it already has lines like: optflags: i486 -O2 -march=i486 optflags: i586 -O2 -march=i586 optflags: i686 -O2 -march=i686 meaning it will compile for the correct architecture, if you set it up right. later on in the file is a section with a whole lot of 'buildarchtranslate' options, such as buildarchtranslate: i586: i386 changing this to read 'i586' means rpm builds i586 target rpms by default. alternatively you can pass the --target=i586 to have the same effect, i beleive. of course, stuff built for an i686 will have problems running on an i386, so be careful when building rpms for other computers! also.. re recent conversation on .rpmmacro entries... if you look in /usr/lib/rpm/macros it has all the macros you might want to set. Some are only useful in the spec file of an srpm, but a lot could be useful. Probably not a wise idea to change this file directly, override the options in your $HOME/.rpmmacros file if you want to play ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] WLUG distribution
by Oliver Jones 30 Mar '01

30 Mar '01

> For any videocard? I have a TNT2, it's not directly supported in the > kernel (for fbcon) afaik. I have a neat free DOS program which can > set the refresh rate (per resolution/colourdepth) for any VBE2 compliant > videocard, if anyone wants it. It even works in Win9x when you're running > DOS programs that use VBE modes. I'm not sure about that particular case as I've not used fbcon much at all. Later -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Brain free distro - root password required
by Perry Lorier 20 Mar '01

20 Mar '01

> What _should_ happen IMO is that it gives you some nice screens saying > "Please enter what you wish the system adminstration password to be. This > password will be required for making changes to system > configuration." This then becomes the root password - for a newbie > friendly distro there should be able to be a "system adminstration > password" without the concept of a root account. "If you want to perform > manual system adminstration (not recommended for most users) log in as root > with the adminstration password you just chose." It's reasonaly easy to prevent users logging in to X as root, as this is 99% of your "misinformed users" they quickly discover thaat they either use su, or the gui tools (that conveiently prompt you for a password), or they use a text console. (If they can figure out what the text consoles are, then they're doing ok. - they won't use it for daily use). Just change 'allowroot' in the 'security' section of /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf to false. > Has anyone considered a setup where it automatically logs you into X using > this "standard PC account" - a bit more insecure yes, but good for a home PC? > I installed MS networking login on Mums PC once so I could log into file > shares on my Linux box. She demanded it be removed as it confused her on > startup. These are the people standing between Linux and "world domination"! Yeah, easy to do. With a bit of tweaking you can setup gdm to show a picture of each user (and their name), and not have it prompt for a password. (click on the picture of you, and press 'enter'.....) > >Given that you can do damage as root (explanation later) why would you > >want to ruin your $n000 PCs configuration, when, for very little hassle > >really, you can protect it from yourself! > > Cos you're lazy, and never think of it. Cos you're an ex-Windows user who > doesn't understand, and would rather just log in as root every time. Cos > it wasnt the proper default. Cos you trust your programs not to go wrong. Because windows: * Hides critical information to you so you can't stuff it up. (evidence by the htmlified /windows directory) * Asks for confirmation on everything. * Locks system critical components so you can't do anything with them ("That file is in use by the operating system and cannot be deleted at this time"). Linux: * Is transparent - you can see whats going on under the hood. * Assumes that you ment what you said * Doesn't believe in preventing you from doing what your trying to do. Ever tried to delete a file under windows which is causing problems? watched it fail? :) Ever tried deleting critical libraries under unix? watched the rest of your system fail instead? > Should I be logging into Windows as a seperate user? > Do you? In general I don't login to windows, if required to I press 'escape' :) > >root doesn't just apply to "your" permissions. Every process you start > >also has root access (and yes, this holds true under lose2k as well). If > >ANY of those processes are buggy, or have remote-exploit bugs in them, > >bye-bye data! > > If any processes are buggy you will lose data. What do you care about most > if youre a home user? Your documents. They all belong to you. > (All of your documents are belong to you!) Several programs when run as root use the system config's, not the per user ones. You change the config to your desire - now everyone's config is like that -- and they can't change it. Some programs (such as minicom) are nice enough to warn you that they are doing this. Others aren't so forgiving. Programs such as bitchx are security nightmares, running them as root or otherwise is a security hazard, but I doubt many people would give up their IRC addiction :) > If any processes have remote exploit bugs in them, even if they're user > space, you can download the password file and then run crack on it. > Knowing a standard home user their root password will be "sex" or "fred". heh, Redhat at least is smart enough to prevent people inflicting this upon themselves unless they know how to SU to root and change it themselves. The most difficult years of marriage are those following the wedding. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Conceptual Distribution
by Bruce Kingsbury 20 Mar '01

20 Mar '01

> I suggested earlier that we should make meetings more regular to keep pace > with developments etc. This could be another option, with a "development I would suggest first Monday of every month at BTM (presentation), third Monday at the Radio Clubrooms (hands-on). One meeting a month seems a little too infrequent to me. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] X + Redhat7 Gui frettings
by Colin Palmer 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Greig McGill wrote: > BUT - and there's always a but - there are no nice RPMs from RedHat for it. > I've done a source build of X before on a "roll-yer-own" distro, but never > tried to upgrade X under RH before. > What is the best/easiest way to do this without breaking anything? The _best_ way is to get hold of the .spec file from the 4.0.1 source RPM, tweak it as necessary for anything that might have changed in 4.0.3 then use that, along with tarballs of the 4.0.3 source and the rpm command to build your own RPMs, which you then upgrade to via the normal methods. The _easiest_ way is to wait for someone else (eg RedHat themselves) to make those RPMs for you. :) --Colin. ** Colin Palmer, Systems and Development Group, University of Waikato, NZ ** ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Is Undernet reliable enough for WLUG
by Glenn Reed 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, you wrote: > > Is undernet reliable enough for #WLUG. It has a history of hard to connect, > > "connection class full" and denial of service attacks. Is there a reason why > > people prefer undernet or would a less popular but more reliable service also > > suit? > > I must admit I'm somewhat bias'd, but although undernet may not be the > most stable thing on the planet, from what I've seen I've yet to meet irc > servers that are more stable. What about the appleslice servers forming part of the appleslice irc network. It is easy to get connected, no connection class full problems, and I haven't seen any netsplits (aka denial of service attack) happen there. See http://www.appleslice.org Glenn. > > -- > There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear. > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Is Undernet reliable enough for WLUG
by Oliver Jones 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Glenn Reed wrote: > > Is undernet reliable enough for #WLUG. It has a history of hard to connect, > "connection class full" and denial of service attacks. Is there a reason why > people prefer undernet or would a less popular but more reliable service also > suit? Undernet is where people like Perry, Daniel, Ray, and I "hang" in #iltonham. Hence why undernet was suggested. :) Later -- Oliver Jones - oliver(a)deeper.co.nz - Mobile: +64-21-41-2238 - Deeper Design Limited - http://www.deeperdesign.com ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Unsub - anyone know this miscreant?
by Perry Lorier 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

> > Grrrr to people who leave mail addresses subbed when sodding off. > If anyone knows jap5(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz, please beat them for me. > > I have unsubbed this address. I'll see him at lunchtime and smack him around appropriately. -- Your heart is pure, and your mind clear, and your soul devout. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] IRC channel
by Greig McGill 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

> > Good call - is it registered with X? Perry? ;P > > > > Nope, why needs X? just gline anyone who wanders near... Oh you and your funny talk. +------------------------------------------+ | Greig McGill | | Systems Engineer - Compel Automation Ltd | | Ph. +64 7 838 3747 Fax. +64 7 838 3737 | | web: http://www.compel.co.nz | +------------------------------------------+ ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] World Domination and other matters.
by Jon Tocker 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

On 8 Mar 01, at 12:02, Andreas wrote: > I don't see the assambly and installation as something I could not be > bothered to do...it gets boring after a while, that is true but I'd be in > for that. However, how would you deal with warranties on hardware? Heh, it's just that I've built too many computers and repaired too many - I *was* a programmer before my job changed. Software, programming and OS work are more to my taste. Hardware warranties - hmmm, repairing equipment for free because it didn't survive burn-in - what *joy*! That's why I told someone who suggested I make my own range of computers that I wasn't interested. > Further I agree to a rather small range of hardware combinations as you > want attractive specs but also compatibility. Essentially this means you > have three or four sets of hardware and install each once and create an > image. This minimises the time for installations. That was what I thought myself. Configure the OS for the systems and mass produce it. Doing all the builds from the ground up would be both time consuming and open to error should a step be forgotten. Preplanning the software would be important - like the comment made at the meeting regarding firewalls and sewing them up too tight to allow the user to install ICQ - preinstall ICQ, factor it into the firewalling and it's there if the user wants it. If they don't, they don't have to use it. Yah, OK, so there's stuff on there they won't need, taking up space - like that's going to be a problem considering 20Gb is about the smallest HDD you can get these days :) Regards Jon Tocker ***There is no spoon*** ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Linux (or anything) vs Windows on the preinstalled PC
by Jon Tocker 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

On 8 Mar 01, at 14:10, Bruce Kingsbury wrote: > From the network side Linux can be made _very_ secure, but the default > for most distributions is slightly less secure than a default 'doze > install, and it's only luck and obscurity that has saved us so far, imho.. Tell me about it - Shields Up website informed me I had more open ports than Venice. > The problem is that the big distro makers have a default install where > everything is enabled, including one or two well-known root-exploitable > services. In this enviromnent viruses and worms are inevitable but we can > make -our- boxes secure, and be sure that -we- never get them. Right - all the more reason for modifying whatever distro we use when we configure the OS and apps for any machine we set up. Regards Jon Tocker ***There is no spoon*** ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Linux (or anything) vs Windows on the preinstalled PC
by Jon Tocker 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

On 7 Mar 01, at 21:48, Craig Box wrote: > Something you forget in the word-of-mouth sale approach to PCs: > > 1. "Hey, I got this cool new computer with Linux pre installed!" > 2. "Sweet. Hey, heres this disk with a game/cool program/document on it" > 1. "Erm.. I can't load it or use it sorry" 2. "That sucks dude. Get > Windows, everyone I know uses Windows (perhaps hands over warez Windows > CD)" Doze is not worth pirating. > Vicious cycle. Until Linux can interact 100% with Windows, how are you > going to sell it as a desktop OS? By pointing out that the viruses that infect Windows also won't run on Linux - especially VBS-based email and Word viruses. In order to make Linux 100% interactive with Windows, you'd have to make Linux as brain damaged as Windows. WinE has made some good advances in getting some Windows-based software running. Documents and graphics files are generally no problem. Providing our Linux box has Arial and Times New Roman fonts (they have extended characters in them that do not display if viewed using some Type A fonts - makes the conversion of some Word docs to Star Office problematic) most Word docs can be converted into Star Office or Applixware Office. Graphic files - jpg, gif etc - can be read without problems. Even animated gifs can be read. There are plenty of Linux games out there, including a lot that are popular on Windows that have been ported across or a similar game has been written from scratch. As to accessing the disk - my standard for Linux installs is to add another mount point: /mnt/msfloppy - same as /mnt/floppy but the type is VFAT. This allows a disk formatted on a doze box to be read and any *legitimate* stuff copied onto the linux box. Most the "cool programs" in the public domain that don't have a Linux equivalent are pure fluff (such as exe files that give a short video clip of someone stripping/having sex etc). Those that aren't in the public domain aren't allowed to be copied - what's the problem? You can get mpegs with people stripping if you're into that sort of thing - and they run fine on Linux. (oops ;P) The great joy about Linux is that the stuff written for it is largely free to be distributed, tested and modified (with a few exceptions) being able to pirate copyrighted software on your Linux box seems to me to defeat the purpose. The idea I have is to enlist more people in the notion of having a great community where you're *allowed* to circulate stuff that people have freely given, not to promote stealing stuff that people have invested moiney in and expect a return from. Hackers and Warez-d00dz both agree that software should be free. The main difference is that hackers say "here's what I've created, take it, distribute it, if it suits you, use it, if you can improve it let me know. This is my gift." A warez-d00d says "here's something I stole from someone else, I don't think they deserve to get a return on their investment." I for one agree with the hacker outlook. Many hackers are paid to create programs for those companies that charge money for their software; what the hacker creates during *free time*, for the love of hacking, is what is given away. But to eat the hacker maybe works for Broderbund or Adobe. I do not begrudge those companies who invest money in their product making a fair return. Let those who wish to charge for their creations do so, let those who wish to give their creations away do so as well. Let's try this scenario: 1. "Hey, I got this cool new computer with Linux pre installed!" 2. "Sweet. Hey, heres this disk with a game/cool program on it" 1. "Erm.. I can't load it or use it sorry" 2. "That sucks dude. Get Windows, everyone I know uses Windows 1. "And look at how many people voted for [insert favourite political scapegoat]! Actually, I've already got a Linux version of that game and I'm not interested in stealing someone's stuff when I've got a whole community out there giving me cool stuff for free. You can spend the rest of your life worrying about whether you'll get busted, if you like, I don't have that worry. The Linux-based software I've looked at so far that is not freely distributable is extremely well priced. Compare Applixware Office - $220 - with M$ Oriface 2000 - $1080. Gee, I wonder which I'd rather buy... Photoshop - certainly worth stealing IMHO, but the GIMP is free, so why bothr? AutoCAD is bloody horrifically priced, the Linux equivalent is free. Regards Jon Tocker ***There is no spoon*** ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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IBM
by Morticia 05 Mar '01

05 Mar '01

Even IBM are getting on the bandwagon... well up front at last maybe http://www.wirednews.com/news/business/0,1367,42156,00.html Cheers Alison ~~World Domination Through World Co-operation~~ ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] A quick question...
by Perry Lorier 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

> I think the following are innovative: > > CORBA is reputed to be a better technology than Microsoft's COM and is > free at www.corba.org CORBA is I guess. I wonder how old CORBA is. > I believe text-to-speech is better with the open source community but > this same open sourced technology is available for both Windows and > Linux Hrm, dunno about this, I've watched bruce battle with this and fail miserably :) > Perl\Python scripting is better than anything Microsoft has come up > with. I am not sold on Microsoft's Visual Basic. Now thats a good point, perl predates linux by a pretty good margin, but python obviously doesn't. -- No one can put you down without your full cooperation. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] A quick question...
by Perry Lorier 03 Mar '01

03 Mar '01

> What about the ext2 filesystem? Keeps defragmentation to a minimum > without the need for defragging. Long file names at the CLI level. > Compare that with VFAT. While this isn't really a 'linuxy' innovation, ReiserFS obviously is. So I guess we can chalk one up for Linux here. > What about Shared Objects better than Windows DLL files? Two > libraries of different versions can be in RAM both at the same time. yeah, except this is something that came from the BSD's. > I might think of some more later. It had me stumped, and if we're gonna laugh at MS for saying that they demand the freedom to innovate, we should at least know ourselves a lot better :) -- Scenery is here, wish you were beautiful. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Slackware 7.1
by Greig McGill 27 Feb '01

27 Feb '01

Sweet as Matt - where are you, when are you available, and what do you want in return? My soul is unavailable, due to a prior deal with some large red dude... >:-> Greig. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Brown" <mattbrown(a)wave.co.nz> To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [wlug] Slackware 7.1 > I've got Slackware 7.1 > > and a CD Writer so I may be able to help you out, > > drop me a line and we'll see what we can sort out. > > Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greig McGill" <greig(a)compel.co.nz> > To: <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 1:06 PM > Subject: [wlug] Slackware 7.1 > > > > Hi all. > > > > Does anyone out there have a copy of Slackware 7.1 on CD? > > I need to experiment with a few things for a job on a mission critical > > server running Slackware, and I really don't want to screw it up through > > lack of familiarity! :-) > > > > I can pay or provide blanks, or trade this nice shiny FreeBSD 4.2 ISO. > > > > Anyone? > > > > +------------------------------------------+ > > | Greig McGill | > > | Systems Engineer - Compel Automation Ltd | > > | Ph. +64 7 838 3747 Fax. +64 7 838 3737 | > > | web: http://www.compel.co.nz | > > +------------------------------------------+ > > > > > > > > ------------ > > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > > > > ------------ > WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group > To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message. > ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Can anyone recommend good offline news browser
by Gavin Denby 11 Feb '01

11 Feb '01

Is star office reader offline?? SO can do news and e-mail, S.O. will also allow the word doc to display in the e-mail panel which I find usefull, I get lots of e-mail in this format too, thus my reliance of SO for e-mail. (I'm possibly interested in about a tenth of what i'm sent so this saves time for me anyway) But as I am hidden from the real world by a proxy, I have no idea if it is off-line capable or not, I get newsgroups direct off my HDD. Sorry, But it would solve the e-mail query. Have you considered setting up your own news server on the linux box ?? > Actually the attachment problem could be a wider issue because people > will send me Word documents as attachments but I suppose I could open > them in Star Office. Not sure how I would make that at automatic > 1-step click from the email program though. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Minutes of February Meeting.
by Gavin Denby 08 Feb '01

08 Feb '01

Being our first meeting the agenda of the meeting was constrained to the goals of setting a plan for meetings. It was decided to : 1. Meet Monthly Monday evenings at 7pm 2. Alternate meetings between the BTM building (Presentations, and How-To sessions) and the Amateur radio clubrooms (Hands on and Technical sessions) 3. Try to take over the world, by encouraging others onto open source and linux use. The following Individuals either Volunteered, were guided, or just plain old got the hard word, to put together a presentation on the following topics The Linux Kernel: What it does, What can be done to it, How to Compile/Use your very own Kernel & OOPS - Thanks Raymond Text-Speech on linux. Glen & Bruce Shell Scripts (Pipes?) Pearl and other neat tricks. - Thanks Jonathan IP Chains/Tables and other address Translation tips from the Guru's - Wow isn't Greig McGill Kind :-) Security for your Box: Do you really need it, How to do it, how to audit a problem. - Thanks Perry X-Terms, (Hands on at Clubrooms) - Some will be up for sale afterwards, with any proceeds going to the LUG's costs. - Team Jono and Gavin Clustering ?????? - We are really gonna grovel here, but may get a demo arranged. Linux in the embedded Market. An Overview - Gavin (maybe) Windoze Connectivity. Volunteers Please - How about it Greig ??????????? Squeezing Linux into Tight spaces, Small HDD/Memory installs - Volunteers & stories please. And as things come to mind we can include them too. So the next meeting is Monday 5 March, 7pm. B T M Building 1130 Victoria Street - on the corner next to Claudlands bridge. Subject: The Linux Kernel Courtesy of Perry See you all there ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] When/Where is next Linux meet?
by Jon Tocker 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

On 30 Jan 01, at 10:42, Bruce Kingsbury wrote: > I'd agree with that, but he referred to using windows devices from > Linux.. EG printing to a WinPrinter from your Gnome desktop.. I've had to > do this in the past, and it's really painful. groan! That's what I'm proposing to do (not being able to afford a replacement for my Star Dozetype 4000) I think I'll try hanging an a4 refill and a biro of the back of my Linux box parallel port - it might be easier. I can't wait for the day when I can consign Windows to the rubbish bin entirely but before then I need to get a Linux-compliant laser- printer (inkjets don't measure up, never will) and convert all my M$ Oriface documents into something that Linux apps can read (#$##$% Microsoft Word's "smart quotes" and other "helpful" characters don't seem to come across into Star Office documents.) For the sake of the blissfully ignorant (and I hope there are some of you out there) "smart" quotes is M$'s option that automatically turns ' and " into "sixes" and "nines" or "sixty-sixes" and "ninety- nines" - depending on whether the apostrophe or double-quote appears to the right or left of a space. Dunno what character set they use, but it doesn't convert back across to ASCII char-set *even* when you tell Word to SaveAs "Text" (which loses all font formatting). Word-produced RTF files can't even be reliably imported into editors that use ASCII. Other "smart" punctuation includes en- and em-spaces, en- and em-dashes and other typographical marks. OK, It can be turned off, but any docs created while it was turned on need to have every single smart punctuation mark replaced before converting to Star Office files. (The only way I've discovered how to do this so far is to use global replace to first of all replace every " or ' or em-space with a character not used anywhere in the document (I used the tilde) then go back and replace all instances of that character with the correct one - assuming "smart punctuation" is turned off ther characters will be standard ASCII. You can't replace " with " in Word) So, regrettably, until I've edited every single document I have on my Windows box and scraped up enough for a real laser printer, I'm going to need to learn how to send my print output down the wire to a doze box to print. Regards Jon Tocker ***There is no spoon*** ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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Re: [wlug] Linux equivalent of MS Exchange Server
by Felix & Rita Hohener 04 Sep '00

04 Sep '00

Has anybody tried out Lotus Domino for Linux? Felix > I need an open source replacement for MS Exchange Server, preferably running > on Linux. ------------ WLUG - The Waikato Linux Users Group To unsubscribe, send an email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz with "unsubscribe wlug" in the body of the message.

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